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What you know, Jonas, I don't know anything. I know.
LeVar is not here. That's what I know. Listen, we'll
be back tomorrow. Everybody relaxed. We're gonna make up a
different story as to why he's not here every single hour.
That's the way this show works. Last hour is because
he was critical of Kirk Cousins and you know, didn't
have the balls to show up today to answer for
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you know, the Cleveland Browns have got this thing going on.
It's a weird, little, weird little deal where you know,
this guy they give a bunch of money too, just
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st ain't playing and it's odd and it's not really
getting any clear answers as to what's going on. And
we can't really get a clear understanding as to the
extent of the injury for Deshaun Watson, why he's been
medically cleared multiple times but they've decided not to play
him or have him returned to action. It's just it's
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very strange the way that this whole thing is broken down.
And as we've talked about every single day, it feels
like more and more Cleveland Browns fans are like, all right,
this is this is not what we thought it was
going to be, and we're a little bit annoyed and
fed up with the whole thing altogether. Well, Kevin Stefanski
was talking with the media yesterday, the head coach of
the Cleveland Browns, and he was talking about just sort
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of a possible IR stint for Deshaun Watson, if that's
what this looks like when he's dealing with this shoulder issue.
And then also whether or not DeShawn is still the
leader of this team despite not playing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Kevin, is there any consideration right now putting DeShawn on IR?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think day to day, always gathering information. But he's
a listen, he's getting better. He's a competitive kid, He's
working hard. Deshaun's a captain of this football team. He's
the leader of this football team. It's hard. I know
he wants to be out there, but he continues to
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support his teammates. He leads his football team, so that
will never change.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
So he's still the leader, you know. Just yeah, I
mean that's I mean, I mean, listen, it's it's a
lot of money to give somebody, you know, to go
ahead and support teammates, but he's still the leader of
the team. I just find it hard to believe that
there are members of that team that aren't giving him
the side eye with why the hell aren't you playing
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Nick Chub.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Look, I don't know the dynamics of the locker room,
or I should say that locker room. I do know this.
We've kind of talked about before. The financial situation that
the Browns are in. Cody Benjamin from CBS Sports wrote
a really good article essentially outlying when it would be
realistic for Cleveland to move on if they wanted to
from the Shaun Watson, which all the rhetoric you're hearing
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from the Browns that they don't.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I'll save the read and just give you a
few cliff notes.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's basically not realistic for the Browns to move on
from Watson until twenty twenty six. So just think about
that for a second. If the Browns wanted to outright
release Watson after this year, they would lose one hundred
and thirty seven million dollars, or fifty three percent of
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the projected twenty twenty four salary cap. That's how much
they'd be on the hook for a player that they
outright did not want to have on their roster. So
there's no way in hell that's going to happen. Even
if it was a June one cut, which you can
spread over a couple of seasons, it would be reduced
to ninety two million, which still you would.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Not want to do.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You'd literally cripple your salary cap for the for the
upcoming season. The other option is a trade, mind you,
And even in an event of a trade, you have
to think about this. There'd have to be a team
that would want to absorb this contract, which I would
find hard to believe because no one else was willing
to offer it when Deshaun Watson was up for trade
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back when he was at the Houston Texans, So there's
that element of it, or as a you know, free agent,
or however.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It worked out.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I can't think off the top of my head, but
you know, you'd have to have somebody who's willing to
absorb that contract, that's willing to take on a fully
guaranteed deal. And you could say, well, Deshaun Watson and
his people, in order to facilitate a trade in the future,
might say, you know, hey, we're willing to renegotiate the
contract or restructure the contract, but that's not going to
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happen because they obviously tried as hard as they could to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Make sure this is a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So the Browns are in a really, really tough spot
and this is a scenario where they've made their bed,
they've got to lay in it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And whether he goes on ir whether.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's the shoulder injury, which you could say all you
want about, you know, whether or not that was an
issue with him out there in the field, he has
not looked the same player that they got from Houston.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's just not the same player.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And I don't know if it's a mental hurdle that
he's trying to get over because of everything that's out
there about him, but from last year into this year,
he's not been the same player, and it's just it's
I find it hard to believe he's going to be
the player that they had hoped he would be. And
maybe they feel like with more time away, he'll be
able to quote unquote heal up and maybe mentally heal up.
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But it's it's sad for a Browns fan because this
is a playoff roster. This is a playoff team just
with a quarterback that's not gonna mess it up. And
I'm not so sure that you know you could trust
him right now the way he's played.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, he's started ten games, like they've gotten ten
games out of him of mediocre at best quarterback play,
and we're already talking about, well, this is what it
would take for them to move on, Like that's crazy,
And Kevin's like, I don't know if Stefanski is necessarily
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defending Deshaun Watson like I do wonder because Stefanski's tied
to this as well too, because if this does go
well and say they don't make the playoffs, they're going
to make a coaching change. I mean, Stefanski feels like
he could be one of those guys that could be
out of this. But if you're Stefanski, you're looking at man.
A couple of years ago, we had Baker Mayfield in
a COVID year and went into Pittsburgh and won a
playoff game. I mean Stefanski wasn't even on the sideline
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because remember he had COVID so he had to watch
from home, right, And a couple of years later, he's
got this guy making two hundred and thirty million dollars,
and for people that are tired of the number being
brought up, I mean, it's a historic number in football
that's tied to the story. And he's got all this
stuff in the background, and you're ten games into it
and he's having to answer multiple weeks in a row,
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what's going on with the shoulder? And is this guy
still even the leader of the team when he's rolling PJ.
Walker out there to win a game on the road
against the Colts team that was putting up thirty something
points in that game. I just I wonder what Stefanski's
real thought processes on all this. I wonder if he
even wants to deal with it, or if he's being
told by the organization just keep taking bullets this guy
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until we know that mentally and physically he's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think if he goes on ir, he's giving you
an indication of it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Because again, the ownership in.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Front office is all in on DeShawn Watson, and you
could sell the coaching staff's kind of like, yeah, well
we might not be around to see whatever Deshaun Watson
you signed to that contract. So if that's the case,
we just need to win now. And if he's a distraction,
if he's an issue, you know we'll put him on
ir well, stash him away. We can deal with the
players who want to be here, who want to play,
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who want to give what they can for the team.
And that's where we're at. Like when I look at
Jalen hurtson Sunday night, you can clearly tell he's not
one hundred percent. Is that fair to say I had
to put a brace on his knee, had to play
through that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
He signed a contract this offseason, did he not?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And yet he's.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Still out there trying to play, trying to win games
for his team. Kenny Pickett came back for that Baltimore
Ravens game, and again he understood how important that game
was to the division, to their chance of playoffs. And
you know, it's not the same case with Watson trying
to play through whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Look at the division. Joe Burrow signed a deal this offseason.
He probably shouldn't have been out there the first couple
of games. He probably shouldn't have been out there playing
at times. He's been out there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, So it's such a stark contrast between what we've
seen from other quarterbacks who've signed their deals, who are
leading their team, compared to whatever the heck is going
on with him, And that's probably the most damning or
worrisome part. And if you're Stefanski, you're like, dude, I
just like, get me out of this scenario, Like get
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me away from this where I can just coach football,
try to win football games. Because I've got the defensive
player of the year so far in Miles Garrett. I've
got maybe the best, if not one of the best,
offensive lines. I've got a running game that, despite you
losing one of the best running backs, if not the best,
in Nick Chubb, we've been able to hold it together
with Jerome Ford and Cream Hunt. And yet you've got
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this roster that's ready to win now. And unfortunately after
you so all in and take that what do you
want to call it, a you know, a risk of
reputational risk whatever it is by bringing in Watson and
the financial risk of bringing Watson. Now he's the one
that's not there where you thought, if anything, you had
your quarterback for the next five years. It's just it's
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tough to swallow. I think for a lot of Browns
fans and how this whole thing's gone.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And it also looked like Deshaun Watson was almost relieved
that he was taken out of that game. You know,
like when you saw him on the side that he
I mean, he was you know, he was happy, he
was supporting his teammates, but it was almost like and
that that bring brings the point of the mental side
of it that you brought up. I do wonder if
he's just still shook and he's ever going to be
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able to overcome that because of him knowing everybody's got
all that information on him, Nobody with you know, half
a brain looks at that situation off the field and things,
oh yeah, he's one hundred percent innocent, Like there's just
weird behavior. All of that added on to it and
the fact that he's just not playing good football. He looked.
But when they when Stefanski told him, I'm taking him
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out of the game. I do wonder if Stefanski recognize
this guy's not got it upstairs, something's wrong. And Deshaun
looked relieved to not have to deal with having to
sit in there and he was already playing poorly and
have to deal with the actual playing side of things
with whatever's going on upstairs, feels like there's more.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Relieved to the point where it's why people are asking
like what, what's the deal? Well, why was he playing?
Why was it in there? He looked fine. It looked
like he'd rather be there than out.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
There in the field.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And you sign him a contract where he could play
this thing out as long as he wants. Like again,
the ownership is tied to him now. You know, if
he's you know, battling mental health issues things like that,
there's nothing they can do.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, it's weird, weird, weird spot to be in. But
the Cleveland Browns of that defense, they keep rolling in
that division. It's going to be fun to monitor.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And Bible scare out. It's like we said it yesterday,
but it's kind of true.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Like when LeVar brought it up that he looks like
he was created in a lab to like rush opposing quarterbacks,
to play football just to crush people.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I mean when he's when he's not lying about
what Mason Rudolph said to him in a game, you know,
I mean, he's a great player. I'll give him that.
I just want to I just want what I just
want to I wanted, couldn't. What do you mean? I
just want to make.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I hope he rips off your helmet tries to beat.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You at some point. Man, how long do you think
I would last of them? I'm gonna say less than
ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They wouldn't say this.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
One of my buddies I was talking to you, saw you.
They're like, hey, man, Jonas a little bigger than I thought.
I go, that's interesting. I was like, everything I see him,
always think he's smaller than I think.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
He's going, okay, because it's an unfair representation. You're six '
four and you have shoulders like like like a surfboard,
like you've literally got aboard. And then Levar's massive. So
next to you, guys, I look like a jockey at
the Breeders Cup. And speaking of whim.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
As Sam playing a clown thing right now?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Is that wower clown? That's Owen Wilson saying wow, yeah,
oh okay, I couldn't tell, right, Yeah, you got you
guys are massive. Everybody that meets you goes, damn, he's big,
like like they didn't realize because you're next to all
those offensive linemen, you know, next to how big is.
Joe Thomas is six y six Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Tom, I don't think he's that tall. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, he looks taller now that he got skinnier. It's
weird how it works like that.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Do you think he got like stretched out almost like
he No.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, it's just like the you know, the way people
look like when they're like skinny, they're like, oh, they're
like tall than they actually are.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, what if they're a little wider, they don't look
quite as tall.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
A better posture maybe, you know, that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't think that's it. Well, I mean, do you
think they got a good stretching though? Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I mean no, I just think maybe, you know, with
all that extra weight, maybe he's a little bit more
hunched over, and now that he's leaned out, he's standing
up tall. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know. I think maybe he got one final
stretch before you got out of the league.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, listen, I mean, if you want to stretch,
if Deshaun Watson wants to stretch, if anybody wants to stretch,
might we recommend the Breeders Cup stretch because we are
in that final stretch to get tickets to horse racing's
biggest moment of the year. The world's best are headed
to Santa Anita for the Breeders Cup World Championships on
November third and fourth. The countdown begins now get tickets
today at breeders Cup dot com. We were out there
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last year at the Breeders Cup.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How awesome is that event?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean, I'll tell you I've been to the Derby,
I've been to Keenlan obviously it's where the Breeders Cup
was last year. But that event plus Keenyan was fantastic
and Santa Nita this year where the Breeders Cup will be.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You don't want to miss that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It is the pinnacle, it feels like of sports racing,
whether people realize that or not. It's bigger than the Derby,
bigger than Preus, bigger than all of it. It is big,
big time globally for horse racing.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What was the chili or the soup that we got
that the meat wagon told us to get.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh it's bagoo, were boat We're shoot. People are gonna
hammer us in the Kentucky for that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah argue yeah burgoo yeah burgo?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Is that how you pronounce it? Burgu.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, okay, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's so I could have literally had eight cups of that,
ten cups of that, and people have thought it was
I was a freak for standing in line all day,
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The the is a stew It's so good. It was.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was pretty because here's a little behind the scenes.
So during football season, Brady's got eleven jobs, Keego, I've
got a lot of jobs, and so you find these windows,
these pockets where you can enjoy yourself a little bit
where it's not football related. And so after we did
the show, we went did a couple of things. It
was like, you know what, we got some time before
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our flight, why don't we Why don't we go back
to the track and then watch some of the races,
have a couple and then you know, eat some of
that burgoo and let it fly a little bit. And
we had such a good time. And then the airline
stepped in and said, why did you guys have more
of a good time. Let's go ahead and to delay your
flight another three hours. And so we just hung out
and met a bunch of people. But it was awesome, man,
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it's such a good time, and it was fancy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's berg was fantastic, which was that was, by the way,
something that you made sure we had. Yes, you like
found it out and you're like, you got to taste this,
gotta taste this. And I will say this, it was
the best decision you made that entire day because I
think out of like one race, we lost every other
every other race.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, but we won the first one and that's the
most important because that puts you in a good mood
to where you're like, oh whatever, at least we won one.
Now you got that out of the way, you know. Yeah,
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That'll be all yours. By the way, there's a lot
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of people speculating about, you know, why LeVar isn't here,
and so the last thing we're gonna do is try
and shine a spotlight on somebody throwing out some reckless
accusations against the realm, because that's just I feel like,
you know, that's inappropriate. But Brendan did write in and
say that LeVar is not here because he's out trying
to get his passport, which I felt was just again,
(17:45):
I don't know why, I mean, we have to go
in that direction.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Here, I mean, why do we have to bring up past,
you know, transgressions.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I don't know. I just so for you that sent
that in, we're not shining a spotlight on that.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Uncalled for, Yeah, uncalled for.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I mean, yes, he might not be able to leave
the country still because he doesn't have his passport. You know,
but that's beside the point. Okay, yes, maybe next year
he'll be able to make the Dublin Tree is his
passport by then, but we but again that's beside the point. No, no,
no need to bring that up.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It is, you know, very disrespectful that they would have
brought that up and made us, you know, bring it
up on the air ourselves. That's just out of line
in my opinion, speaking of what could be out of line,
I mean, apparently this is a big deal. You know,
if you have like a staff member, you're a you know,
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a team, a college football team, and like one of
your staff members who's making like fifty five thousand dollars
a year, you know, he just happens to, you know,
buy tickets to like eleven different Big Ten schools games,
like thirty games in total, and you know, happens to
sit across clear sight of where he can see what
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signals are being used on the other sideline. Apparently that's
a big deal, all right, And apparently that's how things
went down to Michigan because your buddy the Thamill Camel,
Pete Thamill of ESPN went into a deep dive an
investigation if you will and found out that this gentleman,
this Connor Stallions individual Stallions who's been suspended with pay,
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he bought a bunch of tickets. He would transfer tickets
to other people and they would all sit and just
send the same general vicinity over the past couple of
years to try and get a decent look at what
these signs were that were being used by future opponents
of the Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So a lot of things I'm curious about with the story,
the first being the timing of it. You know, people
will point out that maybe it was brought to light
by Greg Ciano from their earlier game this season with
Rutgers when he made some comments publicly. There's a thought that,
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you know, if you look over the past two years,
the success that Jim Harbaugh has had winning two Big
Ten championships, whether or not that's.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Played a role in all this.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
They are in over this period of time where Stafford
Connor Stallion Stallions has been allegedly doing this, they are
twenty three eleven and two against the spread. I'm not
sure if that matters a ton, but there is that
number for you out there.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
There's a few interesting thoughts to this.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The first being is how far up does it go
as the NCAA does its investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Stallions has been.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Suspended with pay by the way, penning the outcome of
the investigation based on these accusations. But I'm kind of
curious as to the time of it. Why now, who's
the whistle blower.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To all this?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Is it just the teams they've played against it? It
feels like this has been known for a while, at
least as you read into it. And on top of it,
after everything that that happened earlier this year where based
on the recruiting violations that were committed by Michigan during
the COVID dead period, Harbaugh and Michigan they basically did
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a self suspension or self punishment in hopes of that
this upcoming spring summer. The NCAA won't tag on anything
in addition to that, But because of how difficult Harbaugh
was to deal with during that investigation, it seems like
there's something else going on here with the NCAA.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
They either have a.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Bone to pick or maybe there was someone within that
was able to bring this to light to start to
provide a lot of these details.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Even though a lot of schools had already known it
was going on.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
It's not so I'm sorry, No, I was just going
to say, it's not the most elaborate scam we've ever seen.
The astros and the electronic devices in the trash cans
and all that stuff. There was a little bit more detail,
felt like going into it. This feels like something that
anybody could do and probably do does do.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I was just gonna say, like, so, here's where I
get skeptical of it. Other teams do this, all right,
they just haven't been caught. Sigence stealing has gone on forever.
You want me to give you the simple solution to
all this, Ye, coach the quarterback, do exactly what they
do in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
There you have it. You speak it to the helmet.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Tell the quarterback what the play is you speaking to
the helmet, Tell the linebacker, whoever it is on defense,
what the defense is done done. You don't have to
worry about it. This is now a non issue if
you want to get rid of it. So all they
have to do is make that subtle change and this
is never an issue for any teams whatever moving forward.
No idea why the NCAA wouldn't put or implement a
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rule like this. But beside that point, okay, there's other
schools and teams that do this and they're just maybe
better at getting away with it. But it feels like
for a guy with the background that Connor Stallions has
as a very reputable decoder, that he would have been
so sloppy with how he did this. You're I mean,
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he's got his name in buying some of these tickets
to opposing schools, right, I mean, I'll just put it
this way, like, we've all got friends who have gambled
before it was legal to gamble, and not many, not
many of them were using their real name, whether it's
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an offshore book or whatever their account they've got.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Is that fair to say? Am I elaborating that that accurate?
So why would you.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Think then that a guy who is the guy supposedly
to steal signals at Michigan, Why would you think then
that he's going to use his name and be so
I guess putting himself at risk or out there like
that knowing what he was doing was illegal. The whole
thing seems really fishy, every little piece of it. And
(24:03):
I know there's probably I'll have state fans that are like, Oh,
it's Michigan, they cheated it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's like, well, be careful, be careful now, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I'm just telling you a lot of coaches that I've
talked to don't want to talk about it or make
any public accusations for a reason.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
For a reason.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And anyone who's out there that says, oh, this doesn't
go on, it's just Michigan, they're lying to you, or
they're ignorant to how the game of football is today,
at least at the college level. So heed those words,
because anyone who tells you it's not going on elsewhere,
anyone who tells you all right, they don't know anything
about it that I've never heard of this book. They're
(24:40):
ignorant to the game of college football and how this
has gone on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
This is nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
New, and there's almost an honor amongst thieves with stuff
like this. It's like the Lance Armstrong And you know,
Lance Armstrong was the face of the scandal in cycling
of of guys taking peds and then all of a
sudden you found out, oh, everybody else is on the
gas too. He was just better at it, or he
was the one that they wanted to go after. It
feels like we're kind of seeing a little bit of
(25:06):
this here. And yeah, you touched on this Friday when
we were doing the show at the Graduate in Columbus
that Jim Harbaugh was a difficult guy to deal with
and that he may have burned a few bridges from
time to time, whether it be with the media or
whether it be with you know, his own athletic director
or whatever the case is. He had issues with Jed
York and San Francisco when he was the coach there.
(25:26):
That was part of that falling out as well too.
It does feel like if you looked hard enough, you
could find something like this with every single program, or
at least majority of programs around college football. And there's
also this like when people are saying, oh so now
it all makes sense, okay, if you read the Yahoo
(25:47):
article that came out before the weekend, I think on
Friday came out. One of the details in the Yahoo
article was that Big Ten schools have been suspecting this
has been going on, so in preparation to play Michigan,
they stopped using signs and they started going to the wristband.
Well guess what happened this year Michigan still beat everybody's
ass by like thirty five a game. So it's not
(26:08):
like this is the reason Michigan has had success the
past couple of years. But it does feel like this
is going to be the go to for why Michigan's
had success. And I just don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I really no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And that's the hard part is like there's maybe only
a handful of games where you could say like, oh,
they've they maybe used this to their advantage, right, And
it's not hard.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You just change your signals up.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I mean, let's be real, like to act like this
doesn't I'll go back to the NFL. Even in the
NFL with the coach to quarterback, we would listen back
to our games on TV. Any word we said that
you could hear. We always thought or knew there's the
potential the defense to know them that we're playing next.
So what would we do We change whatever word that is.
(26:54):
It's not hard. If we saw a signal, Hey that
was the camera guy got a good shot of that,
let's change that up this week. Or hey, let's use
that it was a slant last week, now it's a
slant and go this week.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That stuff goes on all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's part of the game, and it's just to me
if it's used as the justification for why Michigan has won,
it's excuses by teams who just can't be honest with themselves.
The fact they got beat This Michigan team right now
might be and I think it might. I think it
is the best team in the country. They're as deep,
(27:30):
they're as good as ever. They've recruited, they've developed, they've
done all of that that has nothing to do with
sign stealing. And I know there's probably a lot of
people in Ohio that can be frustrated by it. But
the reality is the past two games when they've played Michigan,
they can blame it on sign stealing, but Michigan was
just the better team both those games.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That's not an opinion, it's fact.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's not like those games are close and it came
down to a couple plays here or there.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They were just a better team.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So this is going to get blown out of proportion
as far as the fact that it's had on Michigan,
and it's probably gonna push Jim Harbaugh to take the
Chicago job if it became open, maybe the Chargers job
if it came open, or another NFL job if it
came open, Because it does feel like Harbaugh's been looking
for an out, but they've never been at a better spot,
(28:18):
and so the timing of all this feels a bit
odd as to why it's surfaced now, why it's become
an issue now, even though this season they've played a
week's schedule. It's not like it's really, you know, aided
them and getting to the point where they're at right now.
They haven't needed to do any of that stuff. I'm
sure to beat the teams the way they have so
far this season.
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Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. I feel like
this was a song where a lot of people became
drug addicts listening to it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What is this from this? This from Requiem for a Dream?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Is this Prodigy?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah? The band Prodigy.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
This reminds me of that ad where they like try
to tell you not to steal DVDs or steal movies.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Back in the day. Really.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Yeah, it's what it reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What did that go?
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Like, look went like this, and then it would be
a bunch of texts like don't steal deep, don't steal content.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
All because why people were filming and then pirateing movies
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, okay, I got accused one time when I was
in I think it was either junior high or like
just got into high school. I was looking at a
CD and they whoever had done the labeling to put
on like the price of it or whatever, put it
over the actual album list. And so for again people
(30:46):
who can't relate because they're too too young to understand,
like it was hard to look up on the internet
next to that sort of thing, like you would go
by name your store to go look at the CD
and go like look at the album sometimes to go
find songs like you hear it on the radio and
be like, oh man, what song was that? And so
I remember I was trying to move the label to
(31:07):
like look up this song on a particular album, and
then guy was like, sir, you have to come with me,
and I was like what I'm like, I'm like, I'm
blatantly just trying to look at this it's the only
CD you have left of this unless you have more
in the back. I'm looking for a specific song and
he's like, oh, you're trying to, you know, take off
the label. Did you think if I was trying to
steal this, I was going to openly do it in
(31:27):
front of everyone here in the store.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I was like, here, take it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I go just take the label off for me and
put it back on so I can see what song
it's covering up. Since someone was a moron and actually
covered up the entire album list, so you couldn't read anything.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now you have to not go over well.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So, so what album album were you talking about here?
Do you remember the album?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I honestly can't it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was a hip hop album at the time, which
again is probably one of the reasons why it was
gonna be hard to find out what the name of.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The song was because it was most likely and.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It was most likely one of those songs that, like,
your parents didn't want you to listen to, So it
wasn't like I could like go find it and play
it at the house. So I can't remember what album
it was. Yeah, it might it might have been like
an NWA or something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It was side connection.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I know it was explicit because it had all those
explicit labels on it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That's the other thing too, Like all these would come
out and anything with explicit labels they had to put
like a big old like.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Explicit parental advisory.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, yes, that too. It was like I had all
of it.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
It could have been too short, which you're always rolling
the dice, if you know.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
What's funny, It actually might have been it might have
been too short because my cousin who was out in
LA at the time, he had played I remember driving
in his car and he was playing his album and
it like we played through a number of songs and
I never asked him. So it actually might have been
too short.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, very yeah. Not not a lot of radio play
for too short because some of the content there which listen,
you can look that up on your own. We're not
going to read any of that stuff on the air
because we don't want to lose our jobs. Before we
get to another edition of would you Rather by the way?
Coming up top next hour about ten minutes from now.
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Let's make history and now, would would you rather your
random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Alright? Lead to lap? What do we got? Guys?
Speaker 9 (33:45):
It's horror movie season? So I got to ask this,
would you rather be trapped and a rom com with
people you hate? Or a horror slasher film with people
you love?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Rock? Probably rom com? Yeah, I just it'd be tough
to be in a scared because.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I wouldn't want to see people I love guy sliced
and diced lived up. Yeah, Like I don't want to
see somebody you know, get a battle axe to the throat.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Is this even like debatable?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Well, then you got to be stuck with people you hate,
I mean, in a rom com, then you're you know, yeah,
but I like that though.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I like, you'd rather watch people that you love die?
Then people that you hate, just laugh and whatever.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
You know, different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I was testing the water something. So just imagine Todd
hanging by meat hooks in a barn somewhere.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
I'm down for that. Yea, it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
What else you got? Guys?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Would you rather see a show by Houdini, Sigfried and
Roy or David Copperfield?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Wi WHI? Yeah? The o G because I know how
the Secret and Roy show is going to go.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, think about who was working with.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, he was working with a lot less back then, too, right,
I mean yeah, there was as many gadgets and things.
So how he was able to play sleight of hand
and do what he was able to do back then?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It could be even more important.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It's like Secret and Roy just has the same old act.
It's always the missing throat routine, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I just who's Who's the levigating guy? Is that Chris Angel?
Is that his name?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah? Sokuy like claims to levitate and walk.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah he's very gothic too.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I want to see that guy. I want to
see how he pulls that off.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I heard his show is pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It has to be the guy's floating around everywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, what else we got?
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Lee Guys? Snickers are Reese's pieces Snickers?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Snickers, Snickers.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, you know, I think I think I'm gonna side
with protein.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, we're protein Snickers.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Great point, Get jacked.
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you know, the Cleveland Browns have got this thing going on.
It's a weird, little, weird little deal where you know,
this guy they give a bunch of money too, just
(01:38):
st ain't playing and it's odd and it's not really
getting any clear answers as to what's going on. And
we can't really get a clear understanding as to the
extent of the injury for Deshaun Watson, why he's been
medically cleared multiple times but they've decided not to play
him or have him returned to action. It's just it's
(01:58):
very strange the way that this whole thing is broken down.
And as we've talked about every single day, it feels
like more and more Cleveland Browns fans are like, all right,
this is this is not what we thought it was
going to be, and we're a little bit annoyed and
fed up with the whole thing altogether. Well, Kevin Stefanski
was talking with the media yesterday, the head coach of
the Cleveland Browns, and he was talking about just sort
(02:21):
of a possible IR stint for Deshaun Watson, if that's
what this looks like when he's dealing with this shoulder issue.
And then also whether or not DeShawn is still the
leader of this team despite not playing.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Kevin, is there any consideration right now putting DeShawn on IR?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
I think day to day, always gathering information. But he's
a listen, he's getting better. He's a competitive kid, He's
working hard. Deshaun's a captain of this football team. He's
the leader of this football team. It's hard. I know
he wants to be out there, but he continues to
(03:02):
support his teammates. He leads his football team, so that
will never change.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
So he's still the leader, you know. Just yeah, I
mean that's I mean, I mean, listen, it's it's a
lot of money to give somebody, you know, to go
ahead and support teammates, but he's still the leader of
the team. I just find it hard to believe that
there are members of that team that aren't giving him
the side eye with why the hell aren't you playing
(03:28):
Nick Chub.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Look, I don't know the dynamics of the locker room,
or I should say that locker room. I do know this.
We've kind of talked about before. The financial situation that
the Browns are in. Cody Benjamin from CBS Sports wrote
a really good article essentially outlying when it would be
realistic for Cleveland to move on if they wanted to
from the Shaun Watson, which all the rhetoric you're hearing
(03:52):
from the Browns that they don't.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I'll save the read and just give you a
few cliff notes.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
It's basically not realistic for the Browns to move on
from Watson until twenty twenty six. So just think about
that for a second. If the Browns wanted to outright
release Watson after this year, they would lose one hundred
and thirty seven million dollars, or fifty three percent of
(04:18):
the projected twenty twenty four salary cap. That's how much
they'd be on the hook for a player that they
outright did not want to have on their roster. So
there's no way in hell that's going to happen. Even
if it was a June one cut, which you can
spread over a couple of seasons, it would be reduced
to ninety two million, which still you would.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Not want to do.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You'd literally cripple your salary cap for the for the
upcoming season. The other option is a trade, mind you,
And even in an event of a trade, you have
to think about this. There'd have to be a team
that would want to absorb this contract, which I would
find hard to believe because no one else was willing
to offer it when Deshaun Watson was up for trade
(05:03):
back when he was at the Houston Texans, So there's
that element of it, or as a you know, free agent,
or however.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It worked out.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I can't think off the top of my head, but
you know, you'd have to have somebody who's willing to
absorb that contract, that's willing to take on a fully
guaranteed deal. And you could say, well, Deshaun Watson and
his people, in order to facilitate a trade in the future,
might say, you know, hey, we're willing to renegotiate the
contract or restructure the contract, but that's not going to
(05:31):
happen because they obviously tried as hard as they could to.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Make sure this is a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
So the Browns are in a really, really tough spot
and this is a scenario where they've made their bed,
they've got to lay in it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
And whether he goes on ir whether.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's the shoulder injury, which you could say all you
want about, you know, whether or not that was an
issue with him out there in the field, he has
not looked the same player that they got from Houston.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
He's just not the same player.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
And I don't know if it's a mental hurdle that
he's trying to get over because of everything that's out
there about him, but from last year into this year,
he's not been the same player, and it's just it's
I find it hard to believe he's going to be
the player that they had hoped he would be. And
maybe they feel like with more time away, he'll be
able to quote unquote heal up and maybe mentally heal up.
(06:20):
But it's it's sad for a Browns fan because this
is a playoff roster. This is a playoff team just
with a quarterback that's not gonna mess it up. And
I'm not so sure that you know you could trust
him right now the way he's played.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
I mean, he's started ten games, like they've gotten ten
games out of him of mediocre at best quarterback play,
and we're already talking about, well, this is what it
would take for them to move on, Like that's crazy,
And Kevin's like, I don't know if Stefanski is necessarily
(06:54):
defending Deshaun Watson like I do wonder because Stefanski's tied
to this as well too, because if this does go
well and say they don't make the playoffs, they're going
to make a coaching change. I mean, Stefanski feels like
he could be one of those guys that could be
out of this. But if you're Stefanski, you're looking at man.
A couple of years ago, we had Baker Mayfield in
a COVID year and went into Pittsburgh and won a
playoff game. I mean Stefanski wasn't even on the sideline
(07:16):
because remember he had COVID so he had to watch
from home, right, And a couple of years later, he's
got this guy making two hundred and thirty million dollars,
and for people that are tired of the number being
brought up, I mean, it's a historic number in football
that's tied to the story. And he's got all this
stuff in the background, and you're ten games into it
and he's having to answer multiple weeks in a row,
(07:38):
what's going on with the shoulder? And is this guy
still even the leader of the team when he's rolling PJ.
Walker out there to win a game on the road
against the Colts team that was putting up thirty something
points in that game. I just I wonder what Stefanski's
real thought processes on all this. I wonder if he
even wants to deal with it, or if he's being
told by the organization just keep taking bullets this guy
(08:00):
until we know that mentally and physically he's ready to go.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I think if he goes on ir, he's giving you
an indication of it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Because again, the ownership in.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Front office is all in on DeShawn Watson, and you
could sell the coaching staff's kind of like, yeah, well
we might not be around to see whatever Deshaun Watson
you signed to that contract. So if that's the case,
we just need to win now. And if he's a distraction,
if he's an issue, you know we'll put him on
ir well, stash him away. We can deal with the
players who want to be here, who want to play,
(08:29):
who want to give what they can for the team.
And that's where we're at. Like when I look at
Jalen hurtson Sunday night, you can clearly tell he's not
one hundred percent. Is that fair to say I had
to put a brace on his knee, had to play
through that.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
He signed a contract this offseason, did he not?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And yet he's.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Still out there trying to play, trying to win games
for his team. Kenny Pickett came back for that Baltimore
Ravens game, and again he understood how important that game
was to the division, to their chance of playoffs. And
you know, it's not the same case with Watson trying
to play through whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Look at the division. Joe Burrow signed a deal this offseason.
He probably shouldn't have been out there the first couple
of games. He probably shouldn't have been out there playing
at times. He's been out there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, So it's such a stark contrast between what we've
seen from other quarterbacks who've signed their deals, who are
leading their team, compared to whatever the heck is going
on with him, And that's probably the most damning or
worrisome part. And if you're Stefanski, you're like, dude, I
just like, get me out of this scenario, Like get
(09:36):
me away from this where I can just coach football,
try to win football games. Because I've got the defensive
player of the year so far in Miles Garrett. I've
got maybe the best, if not one of the best,
offensive lines. I've got a running game that, despite you
losing one of the best running backs, if not the best,
in Nick Chubb, we've been able to hold it together
with Jerome Ford and Cream Hunt. And yet you've got
(09:56):
this roster that's ready to win now. And unfortunately after
you so all in and take that what do you
want to call it, a you know, a risk of
reputational risk whatever it is by bringing in Watson and
the financial risk of bringing Watson. Now he's the one
that's not there where you thought, if anything, you had
your quarterback for the next five years. It's just it's
(10:19):
tough to swallow. I think for a lot of Browns
fans and how this whole thing's gone.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And it also looked like Deshaun Watson was almost relieved
that he was taken out of that game. You know,
like when you saw him on the side that he
I mean, he was you know, he was happy, he
was supporting his teammates, but it was almost like and
that that bring brings the point of the mental side
of it that you brought up. I do wonder if
he's just still shook and he's ever going to be
(10:44):
able to overcome that because of him knowing everybody's got
all that information on him, Nobody with you know, half
a brain looks at that situation off the field and things,
oh yeah, he's one hundred percent innocent, Like there's just
weird behavior. All of that added on to it and
the fact that he's just not playing good football. He looked.
But when they when Stefanski told him, I'm taking him
(11:05):
out of the game. I do wonder if Stefanski recognize
this guy's not got it upstairs, something's wrong. And Deshaun
looked relieved to not have to deal with having to
sit in there and he was already playing poorly and
have to deal with the actual playing side of things
with whatever's going on upstairs, feels like there's more.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Relieved to the point where it's why people are asking
like what, what's the deal? Well, why was he playing?
Why was it in there? He looked fine. It looked
like he'd rather be there than out.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
There in the field.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And you sign him a contract where he could play
this thing out as long as he wants. Like again,
the ownership is tied to him now. You know, if
he's you know, battling mental health issues things like that,
there's nothing they can do.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, it's weird, weird, weird spot to be in. But
the Cleveland Browns of that defense, they keep rolling in
that division. It's going to be fun to monitor.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And Bible scare out. It's like we said it yesterday,
but it's kind of true.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Like when LeVar brought it up that he looks like
he was created in a lab to like rush opposing quarterbacks,
to play football just to crush people.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yeah, I mean when he's when he's not lying about
what Mason Rudolph said to him in a game, you know,
I mean, he's a great player. I'll give him that.
I just want to I just want what I just
want to I wanted, couldn't. What do you mean? I
just want to make.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
I hope he rips off your helmet tries to beat.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You at some point. Man, how long do you think
I would last of them? I'm gonna say less than
ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
They wouldn't say this.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
One of my buddies I was talking to you, saw you.
They're like, hey, man, Jonas a little bigger than I thought.
I go, that's interesting. I was like, everything I see him,
always think he's smaller than I think.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
He's going, okay, because it's an unfair representation. You're six '
four and you have shoulders like like like a surfboard,
like you've literally got aboard. And then Levar's massive. So
next to you, guys, I look like a jockey at
the Breeders Cup. And speaking of whim.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
As Sam playing a clown thing right now?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Is that wower clown? That's Owen Wilson saying wow, yeah,
oh okay, I couldn't tell, right, Yeah, you got you
guys are massive. Everybody that meets you goes, damn, he's big,
like like they didn't realize because you're next to all
those offensive linemen, you know, next to how big is.
Joe Thomas is six y six Joe.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Tom, I don't think he's that tall. I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, he looks taller now that he got skinnier. It's
weird how it works like that.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
Do you think he got like stretched out almost like
he No.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
No, it's just like the you know, the way people
look like when they're like skinny, they're like, oh, they're
like tall than they actually are.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, what if they're a little wider, they don't look
quite as tall.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
A better posture maybe, you know, that's it.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't think that's it. Well, I mean, do you
think they got a good stretching though? Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I mean no, I just think maybe, you know, with
all that extra weight, maybe he's a little bit more
hunched over, and now that he's leaned out, he's standing
up tall. You know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I don't know. I think maybe he got one final
stretch before you got out of the league.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I mean, listen, I mean, if you want to stretch,
if Deshaun Watson wants to stretch, if anybody wants to stretch,
might we recommend the Breeders Cup stretch because we are
in that final stretch to get tickets to horse racing's
biggest moment of the year. The world's best are headed
to Santa Anita for the Breeders Cup World Championships on
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last year at the Breeders Cup.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How awesome is that event?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean, I'll tell you I've been to the Derby,
I've been to Keenlan obviously it's where the Breeders Cup
was last year. But that event plus Keenyan was fantastic
and Santa Nita this year where the Breeders Cup will be.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You don't want to miss that.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It is the pinnacle, it feels like of sports racing,
whether people realize that or not. It's bigger than the Derby,
bigger than Preus, bigger than all of it. It is big,
big time globally for horse racing.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
What was the chili or the soup that we got
that the meat wagon told us to get.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh it's bagoo, were boat We're shoot. People are gonna
hammer us in the Kentucky for that.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah argue yeah burgoo yeah burgo?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Is that how you pronounce it? Burgu.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, okay, it's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
It was amazing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's so I could have literally had eight cups of that,
ten cups of that, and people have thought it was
I was a freak for standing in line all day,
just kidding.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
The the is a stew It's so good. It was.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
It was pretty because here's a little behind the scenes.
So during football season, Brady's got eleven jobs, Keego, I've
got a lot of jobs, and so you find these windows,
these pockets where you can enjoy yourself a little bit
where it's not football related. And so after we did
the show, we went did a couple of things. It
was like, you know what, we got some time before
(15:45):
our flight, why don't we Why don't we go back
to the track and then watch some of the races,
have a couple and then you know, eat some of
that burgoo and let it fly a little bit. And
we had such a good time. And then the airline
stepped in and said, why did you guys have more
of a good time. Let's go ahead and to delay your
flight another three hours. And so we just hung out
and met a bunch of people. But it was awesome, man,
(16:06):
it's such a good time, and it was fancy.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
That's berg was fantastic, which was that was, by the way,
something that you made sure we had. Yes, you like
found it out and you're like, you got to taste this,
gotta taste this. And I will say this, it was
the best decision you made that entire day because I
think out of like one race, we lost every other
every other race.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Yeah, but we won the first one and that's the
most important because that puts you in a good mood
to where you're like, oh whatever, at least we won one.
Now you got that out of the way, you know. Yeah,
But it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Speaker 6 (16:47):
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Speaker 4 (17:01):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox, with you here. Coming up about
twenty minutes from now, we will have another edition of
would You Rather? It's a Tuesday, so you know what
that means. We're gonna have some would you Rather here?
Coming up an hour two of the program, So twenty
minutes from now from the tire Raq dot Com studios.
That'll be all yours. By the way, there's a lot
(17:23):
of people speculating about, you know, why LeVar isn't here,
and so the last thing we're gonna do is try
and shine a spotlight on somebody throwing out some reckless
accusations against the realm, because that's just I feel like,
you know, that's inappropriate. But Brendan did write in and
say that LeVar is not here because he's out trying
to get his passport, which I felt was just again,
(17:45):
I don't know why, I mean, we have to go
in that direction.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Here, I mean, why do we have to bring up past,
you know, transgressions.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I don't know. I just so for you that sent
that in, we're not shining a spotlight on that.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Uncalled for, Yeah, uncalled for.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I mean, yes, he might not be able to leave
the country still because he doesn't have his passport. You know,
but that's beside the point. Okay, yes, maybe next year
he'll be able to make the Dublin Tree is his
passport by then, but we but again that's beside the point. No, no,
no need to bring that up.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
It is, you know, very disrespectful that they would have
brought that up and made us, you know, bring it
up on the air ourselves. That's just out of line
in my opinion, speaking of what could be out of line,
I mean, apparently this is a big deal. You know,
if you have like a staff member, you're a you know,
(18:40):
a team, a college football team, and like one of
your staff members who's making like fifty five thousand dollars
a year, you know, he just happens to, you know,
buy tickets to like eleven different Big Ten schools games,
like thirty games in total, and you know, happens to
sit across clear sight of where he can see what
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signals are being used on the other sideline. Apparently that's
a big deal, all right, And apparently that's how things
went down to Michigan because your buddy the Thamill Camel,
Pete Thamill of ESPN went into a deep dive an
investigation if you will and found out that this gentleman,
this Connor Stallions individual Stallions who's been suspended with pay,
(19:25):
he bought a bunch of tickets. He would transfer tickets
to other people and they would all sit and just
send the same general vicinity over the past couple of
years to try and get a decent look at what
these signs were that were being used by future opponents
of the Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
So a lot of things I'm curious about with the story,
the first being the timing of it. You know, people
will point out that maybe it was brought to light
by Greg Ciano from their earlier game this season with
Rutgers when he made some comments publicly. There's a thought that,
(20:03):
you know, if you look over the past two years,
the success that Jim Harbaugh has had winning two Big
Ten championships, whether or not that's.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Played a role in all this.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
They are in over this period of time where Stafford
Connor Stallion Stallions has been allegedly doing this, they are
twenty three eleven and two against the spread. I'm not
sure if that matters a ton, but there is that
number for you out there.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
There's a few interesting thoughts to this.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
The first being is how far up does it go
as the NCAA does its investigation.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Stallions has been.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Suspended with pay by the way, penning the outcome of
the investigation based on these accusations. But I'm kind of
curious as to the time of it. Why now, who's
the whistle blower.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
To all this?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Is it just the teams they've played against it? It
feels like this has been known for a while, at
least as you read into it. And on top of it,
after everything that that happened earlier this year where based
on the recruiting violations that were committed by Michigan during
the COVID dead period, Harbaugh and Michigan they basically did
(21:21):
a self suspension or self punishment in hopes of that
this upcoming spring summer. The NCAA won't tag on anything
in addition to that, But because of how difficult Harbaugh
was to deal with during that investigation, it seems like
there's something else going on here with the NCAA.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
They either have a.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Bone to pick or maybe there was someone within that
was able to bring this to light to start to
provide a lot of these details.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Even though a lot of schools had already known it
was going on.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
It's not so I'm sorry, No, I was just going
to say, it's not the most elaborate scam we've ever seen.
The astros and the electronic devices in the trash cans
and all that stuff. There was a little bit more detail,
felt like going into it. This feels like something that
anybody could do and probably do does do.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
I was just gonna say, like, so, here's where I
get skeptical of it. Other teams do this, all right,
they just haven't been caught. Sigence stealing has gone on forever.
You want me to give you the simple solution to
all this, Ye, coach the quarterback, do exactly what they
do in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
There you have it. You speak it to the helmet.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Tell the quarterback what the play is you speaking to
the helmet, Tell the linebacker, whoever it is on defense,
what the defense is done done. You don't have to
worry about it. This is now a non issue if
you want to get rid of it. So all they
have to do is make that subtle change and this
is never an issue for any teams whatever moving forward.
No idea why the NCAA wouldn't put or implement a
(22:51):
rule like this. But beside that point, okay, there's other
schools and teams that do this and they're just maybe
better at getting away with it. But it feels like
for a guy with the background that Connor Stallions has
as a very reputable decoder, that he would have been
so sloppy with how he did this. You're I mean,
(23:13):
he's got his name in buying some of these tickets
to opposing schools, right, I mean, I'll just put it
this way, like, we've all got friends who have gambled
before it was legal to gamble, and not many, not
many of them were using their real name, whether it's
(23:33):
an offshore book or whatever their account they've got.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Is that fair to say? Am I elaborating that that accurate?
So why would you.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Think then that a guy who is the guy supposedly
to steal signals at Michigan, Why would you think then
that he's going to use his name and be so
I guess putting himself at risk or out there like
that knowing what he was doing was illegal. The whole
thing seems really fishy, every little piece of it. And
(24:03):
I know there's probably I'll have state fans that are like, Oh,
it's Michigan, they cheated it.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
It's like, well, be careful, be careful now, all right.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I'm just telling you a lot of coaches that I've
talked to don't want to talk about it or make
any public accusations for a reason.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
For a reason.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
And anyone who's out there that says, oh, this doesn't
go on, it's just Michigan, they're lying to you, or
they're ignorant to how the game of football is today,
at least at the college level. So heed those words,
because anyone who tells you it's not going on elsewhere,
anyone who tells you all right, they don't know anything
about it that I've never heard of this book. They're
(24:40):
ignorant to the game of college football and how this
has gone on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
This is nothing.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
New, and there's almost an honor amongst thieves with stuff
like this. It's like the Lance Armstrong And you know,
Lance Armstrong was the face of the scandal in cycling
of of guys taking peds and then all of a
sudden you found out, oh, everybody else is on the
gas too. He was just better at it, or he
was the one that they wanted to go after. It
feels like we're kind of seeing a little bit of
(25:06):
this here. And yeah, you touched on this Friday when
we were doing the show at the Graduate in Columbus
that Jim Harbaugh was a difficult guy to deal with
and that he may have burned a few bridges from
time to time, whether it be with the media or
whether it be with you know, his own athletic director
or whatever the case is. He had issues with Jed
York and San Francisco when he was the coach there.
(25:26):
That was part of that falling out as well too.
It does feel like if you looked hard enough, you
could find something like this with every single program, or
at least majority of programs around college football. And there's
also this like when people are saying, oh so now
it all makes sense, okay, if you read the Yahoo
(25:47):
article that came out before the weekend, I think on
Friday came out. One of the details in the Yahoo
article was that Big Ten schools have been suspecting this
has been going on, so in preparation to play Michigan,
they stopped using signs and they started going to the wristband.
Well guess what happened this year Michigan still beat everybody's
ass by like thirty five a game. So it's not
(26:08):
like this is the reason Michigan has had success the
past couple of years. But it does feel like this
is going to be the go to for why Michigan's
had success. And I just don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I really no, it's not.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And that's the hard part is like there's maybe only
a handful of games where you could say like, oh,
they've they maybe used this to their advantage, right, And
it's not hard.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
You just change your signals up.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I mean, let's be real, like to act like this
doesn't I'll go back to the NFL. Even in the
NFL with the coach to quarterback, we would listen back
to our games on TV. Any word we said that
you could hear. We always thought or knew there's the
potential the defense to know them that we're playing next.
So what would we do We change whatever word that is.
(26:54):
It's not hard. If we saw a signal, Hey that
was the camera guy got a good shot of that,
let's change that up this week. Or hey, let's use
that it was a slant last week, now it's a
slant and go this week.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
That stuff goes on all the time.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
It's part of the game, and it's just to me
if it's used as the justification for why Michigan has won,
it's excuses by teams who just can't be honest with themselves.
The fact they got beat This Michigan team right now
might be and I think it might. I think it
is the best team in the country. They're as deep,
(27:30):
they're as good as ever. They've recruited, they've developed, they've
done all of that that has nothing to do with
sign stealing. And I know there's probably a lot of
people in Ohio that can be frustrated by it. But
the reality is the past two games when they've played Michigan,
they can blame it on sign stealing, but Michigan was
just the better team both those games.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That's not an opinion, it's fact.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
It's not like those games are close and it came
down to a couple plays here or there.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
They were just a better team.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So this is going to get blown out of proportion
as far as the fact that it's had on Michigan,
and it's probably gonna push Jim Harbaugh to take the
Chicago job if it became open, maybe the Chargers job
if it came open, or another NFL job if it
came open, Because it does feel like Harbaugh's been looking
for an out, but they've never been at a better spot,
(28:18):
and so the timing of all this feels a bit
odd as to why it's surfaced now, why it's become
an issue now, even though this season they've played a
week's schedule. It's not like it's really, you know, aided
them and getting to the point where they're at right now.
They haven't needed to do any of that stuff. I'm
sure to beat the teams the way they have so
far this season.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. I feel like
this was a song where a lot of people became
drug addicts listening to it. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
What is this from this? This from Requiem for a Dream?
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Is this Prodigy?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Right?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah? The band Prodigy.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
This reminds me of that ad where they like try
to tell you not to steal DVDs or steal movies.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
Back in the day. Really.
Speaker 8 (30:14):
Yeah, it's what it reminds me of.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
What did that go?
Speaker 9 (30:15):
Like, look went like this, and then it would be
a bunch of texts like don't steal deep, don't steal content.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
All because why people were filming and then pirateing movies
and stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, okay, I got accused one time when I was
in I think it was either junior high or like
just got into high school. I was looking at a
CD and they whoever had done the labeling to put
on like the price of it or whatever, put it
over the actual album list. And so for again people
(30:46):
who can't relate because they're too too young to understand,
like it was hard to look up on the internet
next to that sort of thing, like you would go
by name your store to go look at the CD
and go like look at the album sometimes to go
find songs like you hear it on the radio and
be like, oh man, what song was that? And so
I remember I was trying to move the label to
(31:07):
like look up this song on a particular album, and
then guy was like, sir, you have to come with me,
and I was like what I'm like, I'm like, I'm
blatantly just trying to look at this it's the only
CD you have left of this unless you have more
in the back. I'm looking for a specific song and
he's like, oh, you're trying to, you know, take off
the label. Did you think if I was trying to
steal this, I was going to openly do it in
(31:27):
front of everyone here in the store.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
I was like, here, take it.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I go just take the label off for me and
put it back on so I can see what song
it's covering up. Since someone was a moron and actually
covered up the entire album list, so you couldn't read anything.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now you have to not go over well.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
So, so what album album were you talking about here?
Do you remember the album?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
I honestly can't it.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was a hip hop album at the time, which
again is probably one of the reasons why it was
gonna be hard to find out what the name of.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The song was because it was most likely and.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
It was most likely one of those songs that, like,
your parents didn't want you to listen to, So it
wasn't like I could like go find it and play
it at the house. So I can't remember what album
it was. Yeah, it might it might have been like
an NWA or something like that.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
It was side connection.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I know it was explicit because it had all those
explicit labels on it.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Remember that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That's the other thing too, Like all these would come
out and anything with explicit labels they had to put
like a big old like.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Explicit parental advisory.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, yes, that too. It was like I had all
of it.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
It could have been too short, which you're always rolling
the dice, if you know.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
What's funny, It actually might have been it might have
been too short because my cousin who was out in
LA at the time, he had played I remember driving
in his car and he was playing his album and
it like we played through a number of songs and
I never asked him. So it actually might have been
too short.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Yeah, very yeah. Not not a lot of radio play
for too short because some of the content there which listen,
you can look that up on your own. We're not
going to read any of that stuff on the air
because we don't want to lose our jobs. Before we
get to another edition of would you Rather by the way?
Coming up top next hour about ten minutes from now.
A lot of victory laps being taken in the world
(33:15):
of football, A lot of victory laps. We'll tell you
why again ten minutes from now, and before we get
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Speaker 3 (33:33):
Let's make history and now, would would you rather your
random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 4 (33:43):
Alright? Lead to lap? What do we got? Guys?
Speaker 9 (33:45):
It's horror movie season? So I got to ask this,
would you rather be trapped and a rom com with
people you hate? Or a horror slasher film with people
you love?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Rock? Probably rom com? Yeah, I just it'd be tough
to be in a scared because.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I wouldn't want to see people I love guy sliced
and diced lived up. Yeah, Like I don't want to
see somebody you know, get a battle axe to the throat.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Is this even like debatable?
Speaker 9 (34:15):
Well, then you got to be stuck with people you hate,
I mean, in a rom com, then you're you know, yeah,
but I like that though.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I like, you'd rather watch people that you love die?
Then people that you hate, just laugh and whatever.
Speaker 8 (34:30):
You know, different strokes for different folks.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I was testing the water something. So just imagine Todd
hanging by meat hooks in a barn somewhere.
Speaker 8 (34:38):
I'm down for that. Yea, it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
What else you got? Guys?
Speaker 8 (34:44):
Would you rather see a show by Houdini, Sigfried and
Roy or David Copperfield?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Wi WHI? Yeah? The o G because I know how
the Secret and Roy show is going to go.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, think about who was working with.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, he was working with a lot less back then, too, right,
I mean yeah, there was as many gadgets and things.
So how he was able to play sleight of hand
and do what he was able to do back then?
Speaker 2 (35:09):
It could be even more important.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
It's like Secret and Roy just has the same old act.
It's always the missing throat routine, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I just who's Who's the levigating guy? Is that Chris Angel?
Is that his name?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah? Sokuy like claims to levitate and walk.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Yeah he's very gothic too.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, I want to see that guy. I want to
see how he pulls that off.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
I heard his show is pretty entertaining.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
It has to be the guy's floating around everywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, what else we got?
Speaker 8 (35:37):
Lee Guys? Snickers are Reese's pieces Snickers?
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Snickers, Snickers.
Speaker 4 (35:43):
Yeah, you know, I think I think I'm gonna side
with protein.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, we're protein Snickers.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Great point, Get jacked.
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