January 13, 2023 • 39 mins
The NFL chose Atlanta as the possible neutral site between the Bills and Chiefs but the guys foresee another matchup in the AFC Championship. Speculation continues to grow around Jim Harbaugh returning to the NFL but is it all about the money? And the guys wonder why CJ Stroud hasn’t yet declared for the NFL Draft.
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do have some news here. I know what you got.
You guys want a little sneak peak, a little sneak
into the NFL playofts. Alright, So we got some alright,
So let me go ahead. Alright, a little handy dandy
uh note that was passed over to me here. I
don't know if you guys saw this, but let that
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potentially a f C championship game between the Bills and
the Chiefs is going to take place in Atlanta. That's right,
It's gonna take place in Atlanta if they meet up
in the a f C title Game January twenty nine,
six thirty pm Eastern time. So everybody can hop right
over to Magic City afterwards. If those two teams meet
up in Atlanta. Yeah, I'm uh no, I won't be going.
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Come on, LaVar, you go see your bust at the
College Football Hall of Fame and go over to the
a f C title game there. That is true, But
now I won't be going. I've already made my visit
to Atlanta. I'll be watching somewhere though. Oh yeah, well
maybe if you guys go do you guys want to go?
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Oh I'm there? Yeah, uh so this is uh, you know,
there's a bunch of other options that were thrown out there.
Indianapolis apparently couldn't have it because what do they have
like a softball tournament or something like and he couldn't,
Detroit couldn't. I mean, they basically tried to pick what
a Midwest spot because they felt like that was fair
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to both fan bases and drivable. And then I think
they entertained the idea of like Lambo and Soldier Field,
and then people are starting to think, maybe the weather
is going to impact this, so let's just go ahead
and have it down in Atlanta, which if you end
up on Atlanta, you might as well have looked at
like Miami. You might as well looked like other cities
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in warmer weather, like Tampa, other places of Tampa's not
still playing, which even then I can't imagine they're gonna
have home field after the wild card round. But my
point is once you open up to Atlanta, where really
you can't have either fan base drive this time of
the year and what could be bad weather conditions, you
might as well just say, all right, let's just look
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somewhere else down south, you know, And that way both
teams can fly in, have a little vacation and enjoy
a nice football game. What would be I wonder where
that would be? Well, Houston, Miami, I mean anywhere you
really want to look like that, you still wouldn't be
Would that be a vacation? Um? I mean this Saint
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Padre Island that's close to there. I don't know. You
got some It's warmer than where people are at Buffalo.
This is a business trip. We're not worried about vacations.
This is business trying to win for the teams, for
the fans, but I don't care about them. It's about
the teams trying to trying to get to a super Bowl.
And by the way, save up your vacation money and
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go to the super Bowl of your team wins. Right,
come out to Arizona if you really are that, if
it's that important to you to see a team. I
just I know that we needed to do this. I
get all that. Or we didn't need to we need
to do well, that's okay. Let me let me clarify.
We didn't I know that we had to do something
based on what happened with Tamar Hamlin and all that.
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Why did we have to do this though? Okay, but
we did something because they were in a tough spot
and the NFL was looking for answers, and so they
felt like they came up with quote unquote the best
solution to all of this scale of one to tend.
Where do you rate this solution? Probably about a four.
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It's just now that we're here and it's you're you're
looking at how this is going to play out. I
just can't help but think, man, some people got jobbed,
you know, Like, I just can't help but think there's
a fan base it's going to miss out on the
potential of their being a home game in an a
f C title game, and now they're not going to
get that because of the hoops we had to jump through,
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because of the situation that took place with Tomorrow Hamlin,
or the fan base doesn't get here, the people who
work at the stadium don't get to its part. Taken
all of that, I wonder how um like the fans
in Kansas City would feel considering they would be the
ones to host right based on the current seating there
the ones who would be hosting, And you look at
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it and you say, like, obviously there's jobs that are
impacted by it. There's a fan base, there's an ownership
group that's impacted by it. Playoff games are huge in
the sense of additional concession sales, everything else, park all
of stuff that goes along with it. You know, you've
got owners who are able to reap the benefits of
that and think about their labor costs. Like, one of
the best secrets about making playoff runs is you don't
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get paid as much as a player for playoff games
as you do for the regular season for your contracts.
People don't know that the majority of the players and
the roster are making far less they would be during
the course of the regular season. So the money you're making,
your margins are even that much better once you get
into the postseason. So it's it's really hurts Kansas City
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when it's all said and done. Probably the most in
their wallet are on their books. But so I wonder
how they're going to divide that up amongst what happens
in Atlanta. I mean, I think the only saving graces
you can assure yourself whether it's not gonna play a factor,
whether you wanted it to or not, it's not. And
in this case, you know, two of the best quarterbacks,
if they are to make it to that point, are
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going to square off versus one another. But I'm gonna
tell you right now, we're not gonna have to worry
about this because I don't have Kansas City and Buffalo
media NIPA wow that can we go take that to
social media a sap and run with that? So what
do you try? Who's getting upset, who's getting knocked off?
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I just think it's it's Cincinnati's year. I think the
way they're playing right now, they've won eight straight, no
one wants to play the Bengals. They already have Kansas
City's number. By the way, all right, Patrick Mahomes has
not beaten Joe burrown the Bengals, and their defense has
improved from last year. Remember this was the team to
go to the Super Bowl last year represent the n
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f C. And I think they're playing right now better
football than they have since Joe Burrow has been there.
So I know it's a great story. Everything with Tamara
hambling him coming back and the emotions run high, too
with Buffalo. But I think you're gonna see Cincinnati make
another run back to the super Bowl. So how do
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you think this plays out? Then? Like, what do you
who do you think their divisional round matchup is going
to be? Well, it's it's based on the seating now, right,
he think it's the boy they're gonna face. Uh in
my opinion, the Chargers. You've got Buffalo facing Cincinnati, all right,
So you think Cincinnati beats Buffalo, yes, And then I
think it's Kansas City. Now that game Kansas and that
game is that Buffalo, that divisional game they have to
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go the next they have to go to the next
two on the road after and I think Cincinnati's gonna
win him damn damn. All right, So I mean there's there,
you're calling your shot like that. So Cincinnati's the problem then? Um, yeah,
I think as Burrows Burrow the m v P today, Yeah,
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I mean threw from more yards than anyone in NFL history, right,
grant at eight in games games. But and by the way,
you can't if if that's the final four we get
in the a f C, that's a damn good final
four if we and and it looks like there's a
real potential of that happening, obviously with the injuries and
then the Chargers being favored at Jacksonville. But man, the
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Chargers play the Chiefs tough every single year. Cincinnati Buffalo
is a fantastic matchup. And with those quarterbacks, if you
can get Mahomes and Alan and Burrow and Herbert in
the final four the a f C, that is awesome.
Like the NFL can't ask for a whole hell of
a lot more when it comes to the best quarterbacks
in that conference battling it out for the for the
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for the a f C title game, getting to that
final four, that'd be a fun matchup. So just look
at the quarterbacks in the a f CS compared to
the FC. Well, I'm trying not to. Uh, yeah, it's there.
There's a lot of first timers. Um I Lamar Jackson
and two are not being in does put a damper
on things. But I don't know that you'd be saying,
like it's not even to compare the a f C
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to the NSC. Oh, it's not even close right now,
Like yeah, it's it's you see brock Purty and and
you've got injuries and you know people are down on
Kirk Cousins and and Daniel Jones and you know Gino
Smith's first time, you know, you broke down the records,
Tom Brady career starts and performances in the playoffs compared
to everybody else in the NFC. But if we get
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that final four on on the a f C side
of things, that's gonna be a lot of fun. And
so you like Cincinnati knocking off Buffalo, and Buffalo probably
I mean, if you if you bet a head on that,
you probably make a little bit of coin. You know,
if you look to that, look to that round, because
then basically what you're saying is that it's gonna be
Cincinnati Kansas City in the a f C Championship game.
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And if that's the case right now on DraftKings, it
pays out plus three ten. So put a little bit
of coin on that, you can make some money. What
do you think, sticks, I don't know. I mean, I
can feel where where que is coming from. But I
just that Buffalo continues to come up short, and I
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don't know that they come up short this year. I
just I don't I just you know, I feel like
my regular, my early my early season regular picks were horrible,
so I picked Kansas City in Green Bay before the year.
So obviously neither of which are are well. I'm not
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predicting either making it. Obviously the Green Bay is not
part of it. Kansas City, I'm not predicting makes it.
But I do think, um like von Miller was was
brought into Buffalo to be the reason. Yeah, he's not
there now. I don't know that they have that edge
rusher who can go close out games when the team
gets the ball back and has to go on a
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two minute drive to win it. And you got von
Miller coming off the edge to go ahead and finish things.
And I think they might struggle there. I think they
struggle to stop the run. You know, you go back
through some of the games they played this year, they
struggle to run the football. They've had their once for
the Bills have running well, but if you exclude Josh
Allen from rushing, they don't run the football that efficiently.
Uh yeah, So I just don't know. I've got some
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concerns in that regard. I guess I will say I'm
curious to see how they play the first time they
step out there and and what that will what that
will entail, because I feel like I want to go
with the Bills, and I don't know, like maybe the
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Dolphins don't give us a fear look at it because
they don't have too in the game, but I would
like to see if if the Bills dominate the Dolphins.
I think that gives me kind of what I need
in terms of having confidence in the Bills this year.
I feel like the Bills out of the a f C,
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you know, or Kansas City. That's what I'm thinking. But
I feel like I was compelled by by Brady's you know,
soliloquy we about about Cincinnati. I don't know, I might
rethink it, but I still feel like I'm thinking Bills
right now. You know what I really have say in Cincinnati.
It's just so you'll go, I mean, not this year.
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How are you saying it this year? Uh? Yeah, Cincinnati.
By the way, the Bengals are fifth in odds to
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So there's a lot of people out there that are
wanting to know whether or not Jim Harbaugh is going
to make the jump to the NFL. I saw some
report that said that Jim Harbaugh was the quote leading
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candidate for the Denver Broncos job. But apparently conversations are
under way, and very positive conversations are happening with Jim
Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverine is about wanting to keep
him there at Michigan for even longer. So even though
there's this little investigation that's happening, apparently there's some discussions
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about Jim Harbaugh staying in Harbor there. Brady Quinn, Yeah,
by the way, what is the investigation? What did Jim
Harbaugh buy some kid of ham sandwich or something? Yes,
I think there's it's some place called in Michigan called
like the the Wolverine Jug or some spot whatever that
same thing. What's the difference, But he bought the kid
like he bought him like a cheeseburger or something like that.
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In apparent by the way, now they really give him
the death penalty, my goodness. And now that you buy
a kid of Hamburg. And now that you now that
you know that that was the punishment. I'm in full
support of Jim Harbaugh not being cooperative, not cooperating with
the investigation and with people reaching out to him, because
he probably said are you serious and hung up the
phone and said I got I got a game to
prep for. I don't need this crap. And so apparently
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that's where the sanctions are going up another level because
Jim Harber didn't cooperate, so fun they cannot figure out
how to get it right in regards to the reports.
I mean, look, only the people who are making the
decision there, the ownership group in Denver know who the
front runner is. Um uh, whether it's Harbor or not,
that could be his agents is spinning that out there
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to try to leverage the interest in him and try
to get him paid more money. Um I look at
it and just say, at the end of the day,
Michigan needs to step up, give him a huge contract
that locks him in until he if he wants to
get out, he has to buy his way out. You know,
you look at you know some of these coaches deals,
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they'll put in buyouts where like if he wants to
leave and go to the NFL, so be it. But
he's gotta you know, he's gotta pay thirty million, twenty million.
You know that that number deteriorates as time goes on.
Maybe it's fifty million, you know, then forty, then thirty ten.
So he's here at least for the next five six years.
But you have all that sort of language and stuff
in there to protect from having to do this every
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single year. I mean, this is getting exhausting. Could you
imagine being a fan base has to deal with us
every year, or an athletic director that's to every year.
Ago there's Jim, he's just going out and having himself
a good old time entertaining all these NFL offers. Like
after a while, it starts to catch up with you.
So I hope they pay him a big contract, give
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what he's deserved. He's in an unbelievable job of building
that program up now to the point where they're the
top of the Big Ten. They're the team to beat,
not Ohio State. Regardless of what happened in the semifinal game.
You know that it's it's look, everyone's entitled to not
playing their best football. That was the game that Michigan,
you know, ended up not playing its best football. Guess
what TCU would tell you the same thing. In the
National Championship game, they perked the worst possible time to
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have their worst game in the season. It happens. So
I don't think that should factor into how they're viewing him.
Uh in Michigan. I hope, I just I hope they
give my contract so we don't have to talk about
this and deal with us anymore. You know, Michigan did
making take a pay cut at some point after the
COVID year, right, yeah, after the COVID year. And and
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listen that it is what it is, that that why
that would happen. And maybe he still harbors some type
of thoughts that they could do that to him again.
And and like, I like what you're saying. You know,
give him a contract that makes it so you don't
have to deal with this. If an NFL team is
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willing to come pay what that payout would be to
take them, then you know, at least you'd have enough
money to go compensate another co coach of a high
caliber to come in and coach your team. That's that's
how I would look at it. No, No, harm, no
foul if it goes down that way. But I just
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almost feel like this continues to be uh a negotiation.
We we we've we've talked about how you know, these
some of these guys are creating their own markets for
this to continue to come up. Hardball can't sit there
and deny that that some way, somehow that information is
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also coming from his camp. He can't deny. I mean
he can, but like for for it to be out there,
he's entertaining it. And then you got to keep asking yourself,
if Michigan was his dream job that he stayed at
numerous times, this is my dream job, then why do
you continue to entertain the idea of going to the
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National Football League. So if that's if that's what's going
on right now, and that's what you're continuing to experience
as a Michigan school and as a fan base, then
I would say you definitely have to step up to
the plate in a way where you don't have to
continue to have these conversations. So I kind of fall
in line with what you're saying about it and offering
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him something now, Now I would I would ask this,
if you offer that amount of time for the amount
of money does Michigan able to get from underneath a
contract if something were to go wrong, say after year two,
three or four, Like, how how would you be looking
at it that way? Yeah? I mean, like I said,
I think I'd look at it and say, you know,
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they can get out from underneath it, you know, if
they need to. The buyout that I'm talking about is
on his side, you know, so he wants to go leave,
he's got to pay his way out, or that organization
that's hiring him has to pay his way out. You know,
if you're missing and you're gonna structure where And by
the way, they've got the type of relationship because he's
a former player and and what he's brought them the
past couple of years. I think if things worked out
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like they would just am amicably go their separate ways
and they wouldn't make a big deal about it, you know.
Like That's how I kind of foresee it happening. I
don't think it's going to be one of those things
that's a knockdown, drag out fight. Um if if to three,
you know, four years down the road, they felt that way,
But like I said, I mean, I don't know that
it's going to get there if it If this was
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two years ago, I think the fan base and the
program would be a lot more piste off about him
deciding you wanted to leave. Because he hadn't beat Ohio State.
He's just beat him two years in a row, and
so I think that it's almost okay if he leaves.
We understand he didn't get us a national title, but
you were in the playoff twice two years in a row.
You you man handled Ohio State in Columbus last year,
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Like this does feel like it's the perfect time to
go if you're Jim Harbaugh. And also, let's just be
honest here. Had he had Minnesota offered him the job
last year, he's not coaching Michigan this year. He went
It's not like they had, you know, some discussions over Zoom.
He flew there with the expectation there was going to
be a job offer, and then the Viking said, well, no,
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it's not really an offer, and then he went back
to Michigan and signed the contract. So he was already
that far down the road a year ago. Let me
ask you this, that couldn't you argue the exact opposite.
I mean, couldn't you basically say, wouldn't this be like
the worst thing you'd look at? Is there so close
now to getting not just a Big Ten championship, but
they've done not two years in a row, but you know,
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getting into a national champion chip game and winning it
like they've been in a semi the past two years
they've lost both times. Like I actually feel like the opposite.
I think, now is that time where you say, well,
now you've built it up to this point where you're
you're just right there at the cusp of trying to
win a national championship. Being in the playoff two years
in a row, I think it frustrates me more as
a fan. I mean, one thing, if you feel like
you could beat Ohio State, get him out of here.
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Let's get someone in here you can. It's another thing
where you beat him the last two years. Now you
look like the dominant program in the Big Ten and
a team that's up there amongst the ranks of college football.
Why do you leave now? Like I almost looked at
the exact opposite way, Like I don't think there's understanding
from college football fan base is one who can tend
to be irrational as it is, but especially considering when
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you're this close, why leave now? Like that doesn't make
any sense to me. Who would you bank on Ohio
State or Michigan to be the better team over the
next five years. I don't know. I mean I would
say Michigan right now because it's it's tough to know
what's going to happen with Ohio State next season. I mean,
the first off that game is back up there in
Michigan and everything seems to be in the house. State's
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got a tough schedule, you know, you look at you
know what it looked like this pastrick this year, like
they've got to go to Notre Dame. Now they've got
to replace c. J. Stroud. We think, um, you know,
Marvin Harrison would be back, but this rumors, you know,
I'd not even be there. Might you know, roll over
to USC because of what they're providing kids from inn
I l I mean, there's a lot of questions. They're
losing a lot too to the draft offensively, so I
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just I you're not gonna have Jackson Smith and Jake,
but I know they've had some kids step up. Mecca
Bocca join Fleming, They've got some young wide receivers coming in.
I just I don't know. I feel like they've got
a lot more rebuilding than Michigan does. There's eleven coaches
in college football that make more money than Jim Marbaugh.
So maybe he's looking around, going, hey, can I at
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least get what Lincoln Riley gets? Tucker makes more than you,
that's a problem. I mean, I'll just be one like,
that's a problem. You know, he's your in state eval
You have gone to the playoff the past two years,
won the Big Ten. There is no reason Meltsucker, who
signed like a ninety million dollar deal, yeah making, should
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be getting paid more than Jim Harbor. Is Meltsucker on
that list? Yeah, he's making He had a ten year
extension with million, so he's getting nine and a half
a year. You don't think Harball is looking at that,
Are you guys serious? Yeah? Here, here are the coaches
that are making more than Jim Harbaugh right now in
college football. Luke Fickle's making seven point eight at Wisconsin,
Mario Crystal Mario Crystal Ball is making eight million at Miami.
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Then Jimbo Fisher, who's making nine million at Texas A
and M. And then you've got Lane Kiffing at nine,
Matt Rule at nine point to five at Nebraska, and
then Ryan Day, Melt Tucker, Brian Kelly, Lincoln, Riley Kirby, Smart, Dabbo,
and then Nick Saban. So's I mean, I can understand
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a couple of those guys, especially Dabbo, Nick Saban, Kirby
Smart obviously, but there's probably a a few of those
coaches who harbor Yeah, that's it I agree with. Yeah,
and he's significantly down the list. So yeah, well, good
to get to see how this plays out. Who knows,
Maybe we're getting like a bidding war between Michigan. That's
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what it is. You guys just nailed it. That's that's
that's it. All those names ahead of him in terms
of how they're being compensated. Why would I stay here?
If I can go to the league and I have
to deal with transfer portals and parents and stuff like that,
why would I stay here? I don't have to do recruiting,
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you know, I have a GM for for the stuff
that I'm doing. If y'all not going to compensate me
like these guys that that you just named off, especially
the top ones like the Sabans and the dabos um
and and the Kirby smart as as of late. Why
would you? Why would why wouldn't I entertain other operators?
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I mean, honestly speaking, now that you guys did that way,
why would not keep entertaining other opportunities? What do you
think an NFL team would offer him ten year? I
think the Broncos would give him till in a year.
That's the hard thing to understand is, um, he hasn't
been in the NFL obviously for a while. When he
was last year, obviously he took a team of Super Bowl.
But you know, you don't know that it's not you know,
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more either incentive laden or one that goes up over time.
So it's hard to know, I mean, especially not that
the Broncos, for example, if they are the leaders in
the clubhouse and he's their favorite candidate, they just had
to fire a guy and they're paying out him and
his entire staff, and they got one year into that thing.
It was done, So let's not forget that too. I mean,
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even though it's the Walton family, you're still you know,
you're still not really wanting to have to pay too
much or more than you have to. So I don't know.
Maybe they give him ten. I mean you'd have to
think that, have to. If they're prying him away from
from Michigan, they're gonna have to pay him more than
than Michigan is going to. And I think Michigan has
to paim you know, at least nine at half ten.
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Like again, you gotta pay more than melt Sucker if
you're his agent. I mean, you have to be looking
at it. Go one, how is that guy getting paid more?
To me? Right now? So ten's gonna put you ahead
of Kyle Shanahan and just in back of Pete Carroll
for the Seahawks. So that's that's kind of the target range.
That's what we think, right, don't know that there's a
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thought that some of the coaches make a little more
that depending on their um their ability to control the role. Yeah,
we still don't know what Sean McVeigh makes. Like they
put a range that's some people have estimated Belichicks making. Yeah,
so it's like, okay, what's what you know? What what
are we looking at here? It's two pros and a
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So why is c J. Stroud he played the day
because apparently and I didn't even realize this, And I
don't know how many people would realize this. Because Bryce
Young made his announcement, Jalen Carter made his announcement. It
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feels like all the the big names have made their
announcement as to whether or not they're going to declare
for the NFL Draft. But um, has that come out
on t J. Stroud get their Brady Quinn has that
been made official? Um, So, what's what's going on here?
I don't know. I'm not really quite sure. I thought
with the performance that he had to semifinal game versus Georgia,
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which by the way was Ohist it had such a
good performance. There are some UH coaches that in the
final coaches Pool UH they put Ohio State as a
second team. They really felt like they're the second best
team in the country. The kind of finish off their
rankings ahead of TCU, even had of Michigan, even though Michigan,
you know, stopped out Ohio stay at home this year,
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so kind of that sort of performance will do that
for you. But um, he hasn't announced yet. It's surprisingly
because I think it's up to him and Bryce Young.
I think those are the top two quarterbacks in my
opinion from watching film this year and seeing those guys
over their career in college. I know will Levice will
be up in that conversation too, big guy, really strong arm. Um,
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just not quite as consistently accurate at all three levels, short,
intermediate in downfield. Um. You know he's a good athlete too.
I know he wasn't, you know, playing with quite as
much talent necessarily as what both c J. Stroud and
Bryce Young were. But still, um, those are the top
three guys, and I think Stroud is is right there
after that George performance, um, right there nipping on Bryce
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Young's heels. So he hasn't declared. What does it mean
if he disass to come back. I don't know, because
that's you know, if you look at next year's class,
I wouldn't put him ahead of Caleb Williams, and I
don't know that I put him ahead of Drake May.
But so those those are the top two, so he
would be third in that class. Maybe he's still going
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through figuring out, you know, who he wants to represent him.
That could be part of it. Maybe he's just trying
to announce in a certain type of way. I don't
know the specifics to it. It almost seems like a
foregone conclusion he's going to leave, So it's it's hard
to It's hard to tell, you know. Sometimes, and I
wonder if there's gonna be a player he's gonna do it,
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if they have an idea as to who potentially is
going to draft them, and they're like, I don't want
to go there. I don't want to go there. I'm
gonna I'm gonna try to come back to school for
another year. I can make good money in n I
L and and I don't have to I can prolong
this decision for another year. I mean, it's hard to go.
It's hard to leave your college career in a better
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place than he left his. With that performance in the
semifinal game, he was the best player on the field.
He was Marvin Harrison Jr. Was the best player on
the field. He didn't finish the game like he wasn't
the best player on the fil availability is the best ability,
that's my Oh, they probably win it. They probably win
(36:06):
that game. If he's out there. Yeah, yeah, they probably
win that game. I mean, well they as a kick,
but you know, come on, I'm just saying, by the way,
that's not up for debate. If he makes the kick,
they win if they if he misses like he did,
did you guys play with Can I ask you this?
Did you guys play with the kicker who missed a
(36:26):
crucial kick? What was it like? Never played with a kicker?
I'm sorry, Okay, well I'm saying, like, what is it
like for the kicker and next time he goes on
campus as opposed to like another position player. One of
my good friends in high school was our our kicker
and punter ended up getting a full ride. You had
a pit and he had a leg like I mean,
(36:47):
like on kickoffs, like kicking through the uprights, like stuff
that you just you don't see. And then like high
school football, right, and so he had an absolute rocket
for a leg. And I think it's a sophomore year
he was lining up for a kick and it was
wet conditions out which your big concern there is your
plant foot, so his right footed, so his left foot
when he plants to then swing his leg through and kick.
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If that thing slips, it's over. And sure enough, when
he went to plant kind of slipped a little bit,
he hit a kick. Um, it was actually even worse
than the Ruggles kick. It was like kind of like
slow and left no chance that would have been for
the win. Granted that season was going nowhere for us,
but um, at that point he missed it. And I
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didn't see him for like two weeks. I think he
basically like stayed at home and I'm not even sure
if he went to school. He did not handle it well,
but he came back and he was great, obvious got
a full ride again. See, but I feel like that's
excusable because of the plant foot. If he had just
knuckleballed that like Ruggles did. And by the way, the
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college ball, when you hit it bad, looks worse than
the NFL ball because of the stripes and like add
some flare to it, and it just it's so unnecessary.
It's like, I know, I missed the kid. You don't
need to have the striped spinning side to side and
it makes it look even worse. But if you missed
because your plant foot slips, I feel like that's that's excusable.
He didn't need to disappear for two weeks because of that.
(38:12):
I mean, if he's that gout of a kicker, but
that's that's too bad. But you're a sophomore in high school,
it's like this stuff happens. Yeah, sorry, I mean, come on, um, LaVar,
do you ever have a kicker missed something that happened
my entire pro career? Okay? Who the whole trajectory on
my pro career is different if I have a kicker,
(38:32):
like we go to the playoffs. Maybe, yeah, if you
look it up, we were losing games by less than
a field goal, and if you look at how many
field goals were missed in in the games, especially my
rookie year. Yeah, who is the kid we started off?
I think we started off with Brett Conway shouts out
to Penn State, but he got hurt. Then I think
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Eddie Murray came in. I mean we literally Eddie Murphy.
We we we had like three or four kickers, my
rookie year, the baseball player, Yeah, John Hall, John Hall.
He he kept getting hurt, but he was. He's a
dope dude. Who else or who else you got? Roberta?
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You guys want a little sneak peak, a little sneak
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So let me go ahead. Alright, a little handy dandy
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don't know if you guys saw this, but let that
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potentially a f C championship game between the Bills and
the Chiefs is going to take place in Atlanta. That's right,
It's gonna take place in Atlanta if they meet up
in the a f C title Game January twenty nine,
six thirty pm Eastern time. So everybody can hop right
over to Magic City afterwards. If those two teams meet
up in Atlanta. Yeah, I'm uh no, I won't be going.
(02:24):
Come on, LaVar, you go see your bust at the
College Football Hall of Fame and go over to the
a f C title game there. That is true, But
now I won't be going. I've already made my visit
to Atlanta. I'll be watching somewhere though. Oh yeah, well
maybe if you guys go do you guys want to go?
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Oh I'm there? Yeah, uh so this is uh, you know,
there's a bunch of other options that were thrown out there.
Indianapolis apparently couldn't have it because what do they have
like a softball tournament or something like and he couldn't,
Detroit couldn't. I mean, they basically tried to pick what
a Midwest spot because they felt like that was fair
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to both fan bases and drivable. And then I think
they entertained the idea of like Lambo and Soldier Field,
and then people are starting to think, maybe the weather
is going to impact this, so let's just go ahead
and have it down in Atlanta, which if you end
up on Atlanta, you might as well have looked at
like Miami. You might as well looked like other cities
(03:29):
in warmer weather, like Tampa, other places of Tampa's not
still playing, which even then I can't imagine they're gonna
have home field after the wild card round. But my
point is once you open up to Atlanta, where really
you can't have either fan base drive this time of
the year and what could be bad weather conditions, you
might as well just say, all right, let's just look
(03:51):
somewhere else down south, you know, And that way both
teams can fly in, have a little vacation and enjoy
a nice football game. What would be I wonder where
that would be? Well, Houston, Miami, I mean anywhere you
really want to look like that, you still wouldn't be
Would that be a vacation? Um? I mean this Saint
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Padre Island that's close to there. I don't know. You
got some It's warmer than where people are at Buffalo.
This is a business trip. We're not worried about vacations.
This is business trying to win for the teams, for
the fans, but I don't care about them. It's about
the teams trying to trying to get to a super Bowl.
And by the way, save up your vacation money and
(04:36):
go to the super Bowl of your team wins. Right,
come out to Arizona if you really are that, if
it's that important to you to see a team. I
just I know that we needed to do this. I
get all that. Or we didn't need to we need
to do well, that's okay. Let me let me clarify.
We didn't I know that we had to do something
based on what happened with Tamar Hamlin and all that.
(04:58):
Why did we have to do this though? Okay, but
we did something because they were in a tough spot
and the NFL was looking for answers, and so they
felt like they came up with quote unquote the best
solution to all of this scale of one to tend.
Where do you rate this solution? Probably about a four.
(05:19):
It's just now that we're here and it's you're you're
looking at how this is going to play out. I
just can't help but think, man, some people got jobbed,
you know, Like, I just can't help but think there's
a fan base it's going to miss out on the
potential of their being a home game in an a
f C title game, and now they're not going to
get that because of the hoops we had to jump through,
(05:40):
because of the situation that took place with Tomorrow Hamlin,
or the fan base doesn't get here, the people who
work at the stadium don't get to its part. Taken
all of that, I wonder how um like the fans
in Kansas City would feel considering they would be the
ones to host right based on the current seating there
the ones who would be hosting, And you look at
(06:03):
it and you say, like, obviously there's jobs that are
impacted by it. There's a fan base, there's an ownership
group that's impacted by it. Playoff games are huge in
the sense of additional concession sales, everything else, park all
of stuff that goes along with it. You know, you've
got owners who are able to reap the benefits of
that and think about their labor costs. Like, one of
the best secrets about making playoff runs is you don't
(06:25):
get paid as much as a player for playoff games
as you do for the regular season for your contracts.
People don't know that the majority of the players and
the roster are making far less they would be during
the course of the regular season. So the money you're making,
your margins are even that much better once you get
into the postseason. So it's it's really hurts Kansas City
(06:48):
when it's all said and done. Probably the most in
their wallet are on their books. But so I wonder
how they're going to divide that up amongst what happens
in Atlanta. I mean, I think the only saving graces
you can assure yourself whether it's not gonna play a factor,
whether you wanted it to or not, it's not. And
in this case, you know, two of the best quarterbacks,
if they are to make it to that point, are
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going to square off versus one another. But I'm gonna
tell you right now, we're not gonna have to worry
about this because I don't have Kansas City and Buffalo
media NIPA wow that can we go take that to
social media a sap and run with that? So what
do you try? Who's getting upset, who's getting knocked off?
(07:30):
I just think it's it's Cincinnati's year. I think the
way they're playing right now, they've won eight straight, no
one wants to play the Bengals. They already have Kansas
City's number. By the way, all right, Patrick Mahomes has
not beaten Joe burrown the Bengals, and their defense has
improved from last year. Remember this was the team to
go to the Super Bowl last year represent the n
(07:52):
f C. And I think they're playing right now better
football than they have since Joe Burrow has been there.
So I know it's a great story. Everything with Tamara
hambling him coming back and the emotions run high, too
with Buffalo. But I think you're gonna see Cincinnati make
another run back to the super Bowl. So how do
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you think this plays out? Then? Like, what do you
who do you think their divisional round matchup is going
to be? Well, it's it's based on the seating now, right,
he think it's the boy they're gonna face. Uh in
my opinion, the Chargers. You've got Buffalo facing Cincinnati, all right,
So you think Cincinnati beats Buffalo, yes, And then I
think it's Kansas City. Now that game Kansas and that
game is that Buffalo, that divisional game they have to
(08:34):
go the next they have to go to the next
two on the road after and I think Cincinnati's gonna
win him damn damn. All right, So I mean there's there,
you're calling your shot like that. So Cincinnati's the problem then? Um, yeah,
I think as Burrows Burrow the m v P today, Yeah,
(08:56):
I mean threw from more yards than anyone in NFL history, right,
grant at eight in games games. But and by the way,
you can't if if that's the final four we get
in the a f C, that's a damn good final
four if we and and it looks like there's a
real potential of that happening, obviously with the injuries and
then the Chargers being favored at Jacksonville. But man, the
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Chargers play the Chiefs tough every single year. Cincinnati Buffalo
is a fantastic matchup. And with those quarterbacks, if you
can get Mahomes and Alan and Burrow and Herbert in
the final four the a f C, that is awesome.
Like the NFL can't ask for a whole hell of
a lot more when it comes to the best quarterbacks
in that conference battling it out for the for the
(09:40):
for the a f C title game, getting to that
final four, that'd be a fun matchup. So just look
at the quarterbacks in the a f CS compared to
the FC. Well, I'm trying not to. Uh, yeah, it's there.
There's a lot of first timers. Um I Lamar Jackson
and two are not being in does put a damper
on things. But I don't know that you'd be saying,
like it's not even to compare the a f C
(10:01):
to the NSC. Oh, it's not even close right now,
Like yeah, it's it's you see brock Purty and and
you've got injuries and you know people are down on
Kirk Cousins and and Daniel Jones and you know Gino
Smith's first time, you know, you broke down the records,
Tom Brady career starts and performances in the playoffs compared
to everybody else in the NFC. But if we get
(10:22):
that final four on on the a f C side
of things, that's gonna be a lot of fun. And
so you like Cincinnati knocking off Buffalo, and Buffalo probably
I mean, if you if you bet a head on that,
you probably make a little bit of coin. You know,
if you look to that, look to that round, because
then basically what you're saying is that it's gonna be
Cincinnati Kansas City in the a f C Championship game.
(10:43):
And if that's the case right now on DraftKings, it
pays out plus three ten. So put a little bit
of coin on that, you can make some money. What
do you think, sticks, I don't know. I mean, I
can feel where where que is coming from. But I
just that Buffalo continues to come up short, and I
(11:04):
don't know that they come up short this year. I
just I don't I just you know, I feel like
my regular, my early my early season regular picks were horrible,
so I picked Kansas City in Green Bay before the year.
So obviously neither of which are are well. I'm not
(11:26):
predicting either making it. Obviously the Green Bay is not
part of it. Kansas City, I'm not predicting makes it.
But I do think, um like von Miller was was
brought into Buffalo to be the reason. Yeah, he's not
there now. I don't know that they have that edge
rusher who can go close out games when the team
gets the ball back and has to go on a
(11:47):
two minute drive to win it. And you got von
Miller coming off the edge to go ahead and finish things.
And I think they might struggle there. I think they
struggle to stop the run. You know, you go back
through some of the games they played this year, they
struggle to run the football. They've had their once for
the Bills have running well, but if you exclude Josh
Allen from rushing, they don't run the football that efficiently.
Uh yeah, So I just don't know. I've got some
(12:10):
concerns in that regard. I guess I will say I'm
curious to see how they play the first time they
step out there and and what that will what that
will entail, because I feel like I want to go
with the Bills, and I don't know, like maybe the
(12:31):
Dolphins don't give us a fear look at it because
they don't have too in the game, but I would
like to see if if the Bills dominate the Dolphins.
I think that gives me kind of what I need
in terms of having confidence in the Bills this year.
I feel like the Bills out of the a f C,
(12:52):
you know, or Kansas City. That's what I'm thinking. But
I feel like I was compelled by by Brady's you know,
soliloquy we about about Cincinnati. I don't know, I might
rethink it, but I still feel like I'm thinking Bills
right now. You know what I really have say in Cincinnati.
It's just so you'll go, I mean, not this year.
(13:15):
How are you saying it this year? Uh? Yeah, Cincinnati.
By the way, the Bengals are fifth in odds to
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and Philly. Uh plus seven fifty. In most places, you
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So there's a lot of people out there that are
wanting to know whether or not Jim Harbaugh is going
to make the jump to the NFL. I saw some
report that said that Jim Harbaugh was the quote leading
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candidate for the Denver Broncos job. But apparently conversations are
under way, and very positive conversations are happening with Jim
Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverine is about wanting to keep
him there at Michigan for even longer. So even though
there's this little investigation that's happening, apparently there's some discussions
(16:10):
about Jim Harbaugh staying in Harbor there. Brady Quinn, Yeah,
by the way, what is the investigation? What did Jim
Harbaugh buy some kid of ham sandwich or something? Yes,
I think there's it's some place called in Michigan called
like the the Wolverine Jug or some spot whatever that
same thing. What's the difference, But he bought the kid
like he bought him like a cheeseburger or something like that.
(16:32):
In apparent by the way, now they really give him
the death penalty, my goodness. And now that you buy
a kid of Hamburg. And now that you now that
you know that that was the punishment. I'm in full
support of Jim Harbaugh not being cooperative, not cooperating with
the investigation and with people reaching out to him, because
he probably said are you serious and hung up the
phone and said I got I got a game to
prep for. I don't need this crap. And so apparently
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that's where the sanctions are going up another level because
Jim Harber didn't cooperate, so fun they cannot figure out
how to get it right in regards to the reports.
I mean, look, only the people who are making the
decision there, the ownership group in Denver know who the
front runner is. Um uh, whether it's Harbor or not,
that could be his agents is spinning that out there
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to try to leverage the interest in him and try
to get him paid more money. Um I look at
it and just say, at the end of the day,
Michigan needs to step up, give him a huge contract
that locks him in until he if he wants to
get out, he has to buy his way out. You know,
you look at you know some of these coaches deals,
(17:37):
they'll put in buyouts where like if he wants to
leave and go to the NFL, so be it. But
he's gotta you know, he's gotta pay thirty million, twenty million.
You know that that number deteriorates as time goes on.
Maybe it's fifty million, you know, then forty, then thirty ten.
So he's here at least for the next five six years.
But you have all that sort of language and stuff
in there to protect from having to do this every
(17:58):
single year. I mean, this is getting exhausting. Could you
imagine being a fan base has to deal with us
every year, or an athletic director that's to every year.
Ago there's Jim, he's just going out and having himself
a good old time entertaining all these NFL offers. Like
after a while, it starts to catch up with you.
So I hope they pay him a big contract, give
(18:18):
what he's deserved. He's in an unbelievable job of building
that program up now to the point where they're the
top of the Big Ten. They're the team to beat,
not Ohio State. Regardless of what happened in the semifinal game.
You know that it's it's look, everyone's entitled to not
playing their best football. That was the game that Michigan,
you know, ended up not playing its best football. Guess
what TCU would tell you the same thing. In the
National Championship game, they perked the worst possible time to
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have their worst game in the season. It happens. So
I don't think that should factor into how they're viewing him.
Uh in Michigan. I hope, I just I hope they
give my contract so we don't have to talk about
this and deal with us anymore. You know, Michigan did
making take a pay cut at some point after the
COVID year, right, yeah, after the COVID year. And and
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listen that it is what it is, that that why
that would happen. And maybe he still harbors some type
of thoughts that they could do that to him again.
And and like, I like what you're saying. You know,
give him a contract that makes it so you don't
have to deal with this. If an NFL team is
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willing to come pay what that payout would be to
take them, then you know, at least you'd have enough
money to go compensate another co coach of a high
caliber to come in and coach your team. That's that's
how I would look at it. No, No, harm, no
foul if it goes down that way. But I just
(19:43):
almost feel like this continues to be uh a negotiation.
We we we've we've talked about how you know, these
some of these guys are creating their own markets for
this to continue to come up. Hardball can't sit there
and deny that that some way, somehow that information is
(20:04):
also coming from his camp. He can't deny. I mean
he can, but like for for it to be out there,
he's entertaining it. And then you got to keep asking yourself,
if Michigan was his dream job that he stayed at
numerous times, this is my dream job, then why do
you continue to entertain the idea of going to the
(20:27):
National Football League. So if that's if that's what's going
on right now, and that's what you're continuing to experience
as a Michigan school and as a fan base, then
I would say you definitely have to step up to
the plate in a way where you don't have to
continue to have these conversations. So I kind of fall
in line with what you're saying about it and offering
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him something now, Now I would I would ask this,
if you offer that amount of time for the amount
of money does Michigan able to get from underneath a
contract if something were to go wrong, say after year two,
three or four, Like, how how would you be looking
at it that way? Yeah? I mean, like I said,
I think I'd look at it and say, you know,
(21:10):
they can get out from underneath it, you know, if
they need to. The buyout that I'm talking about is
on his side, you know, so he wants to go leave,
he's got to pay his way out, or that organization
that's hiring him has to pay his way out. You know,
if you're missing and you're gonna structure where And by
the way, they've got the type of relationship because he's
a former player and and what he's brought them the
past couple of years. I think if things worked out
(21:32):
like they would just am amicably go their separate ways
and they wouldn't make a big deal about it, you know.
Like That's how I kind of foresee it happening. I
don't think it's going to be one of those things
that's a knockdown, drag out fight. Um if if to three,
you know, four years down the road, they felt that way,
But like I said, I mean, I don't know that
it's going to get there if it If this was
(21:54):
two years ago, I think the fan base and the
program would be a lot more piste off about him
deciding you wanted to leave. Because he hadn't beat Ohio State.
He's just beat him two years in a row, and
so I think that it's almost okay if he leaves.
We understand he didn't get us a national title, but
you were in the playoff twice two years in a row.
You you man handled Ohio State in Columbus last year,
(22:16):
Like this does feel like it's the perfect time to
go if you're Jim Harbaugh. And also, let's just be
honest here. Had he had Minnesota offered him the job
last year, he's not coaching Michigan this year. He went
It's not like they had, you know, some discussions over Zoom.
He flew there with the expectation there was going to
be a job offer, and then the Viking said, well, no,
(22:37):
it's not really an offer, and then he went back
to Michigan and signed the contract. So he was already
that far down the road a year ago. Let me
ask you this, that couldn't you argue the exact opposite.
I mean, couldn't you basically say, wouldn't this be like
the worst thing you'd look at? Is there so close
now to getting not just a Big Ten championship, but
they've done not two years in a row, but you know,
(22:58):
getting into a national champion chip game and winning it
like they've been in a semi the past two years
they've lost both times. Like I actually feel like the opposite.
I think, now is that time where you say, well,
now you've built it up to this point where you're
you're just right there at the cusp of trying to
win a national championship. Being in the playoff two years
in a row, I think it frustrates me more as
a fan. I mean, one thing, if you feel like
you could beat Ohio State, get him out of here.
(23:19):
Let's get someone in here you can. It's another thing
where you beat him the last two years. Now you
look like the dominant program in the Big Ten and
a team that's up there amongst the ranks of college football.
Why do you leave now? Like I almost looked at
the exact opposite way, Like I don't think there's understanding
from college football fan base is one who can tend
to be irrational as it is, but especially considering when
(23:42):
you're this close, why leave now? Like that doesn't make
any sense to me. Who would you bank on Ohio
State or Michigan to be the better team over the
next five years. I don't know. I mean I would
say Michigan right now because it's it's tough to know
what's going to happen with Ohio State next season. I mean,
the first off that game is back up there in
Michigan and everything seems to be in the house. State's
(24:06):
got a tough schedule, you know, you look at you
know what it looked like this pastrick this year, like
they've got to go to Notre Dame. Now they've got
to replace c. J. Stroud. We think, um, you know,
Marvin Harrison would be back, but this rumors, you know,
I'd not even be there. Might you know, roll over
to USC because of what they're providing kids from inn
I l I mean, there's a lot of questions. They're
losing a lot too to the draft offensively, so I
(24:28):
just I you're not gonna have Jackson Smith and Jake,
but I know they've had some kids step up. Mecca
Bocca join Fleming, They've got some young wide receivers coming in.
I just I don't know. I feel like they've got
a lot more rebuilding than Michigan does. There's eleven coaches
in college football that make more money than Jim Marbaugh.
So maybe he's looking around, going, hey, can I at
(24:48):
least get what Lincoln Riley gets? Tucker makes more than you,
that's a problem. I mean, I'll just be one like,
that's a problem. You know, he's your in state eval
You have gone to the playoff the past two years,
won the Big Ten. There is no reason Meltsucker, who
signed like a ninety million dollar deal, yeah making, should
(25:10):
be getting paid more than Jim Harbor. Is Meltsucker on
that list? Yeah, he's making He had a ten year
extension with million, so he's getting nine and a half
a year. You don't think Harball is looking at that,
Are you guys serious? Yeah? Here, here are the coaches
that are making more than Jim Harbaugh right now in
college football. Luke Fickle's making seven point eight at Wisconsin,
Mario Crystal Mario Crystal Ball is making eight million at Miami.
(25:32):
Then Jimbo Fisher, who's making nine million at Texas A
and M. And then you've got Lane Kiffing at nine,
Matt Rule at nine point to five at Nebraska, and
then Ryan Day, Melt Tucker, Brian Kelly, Lincoln, Riley Kirby, Smart, Dabbo,
and then Nick Saban. So's I mean, I can understand
(25:54):
a couple of those guys, especially Dabbo, Nick Saban, Kirby
Smart obviously, but there's probably a a few of those
coaches who harbor Yeah, that's it I agree with. Yeah,
and he's significantly down the list. So yeah, well, good
to get to see how this plays out. Who knows,
Maybe we're getting like a bidding war between Michigan. That's
(26:14):
what it is. You guys just nailed it. That's that's
that's it. All those names ahead of him in terms
of how they're being compensated. Why would I stay here?
If I can go to the league and I have
to deal with transfer portals and parents and stuff like that,
why would I stay here? I don't have to do recruiting,
(26:35):
you know, I have a GM for for the stuff
that I'm doing. If y'all not going to compensate me
like these guys that that you just named off, especially
the top ones like the Sabans and the dabos um
and and the Kirby smart as as of late. Why
would you? Why would why wouldn't I entertain other operators?
(26:57):
I mean, honestly speaking, now that you guys did that way,
why would not keep entertaining other opportunities? What do you
think an NFL team would offer him ten year? I
think the Broncos would give him till in a year.
That's the hard thing to understand is, um, he hasn't
been in the NFL obviously for a while. When he
was last year, obviously he took a team of Super Bowl.
But you know, you don't know that it's not you know,
(27:19):
more either incentive laden or one that goes up over time.
So it's hard to know, I mean, especially not that
the Broncos, for example, if they are the leaders in
the clubhouse and he's their favorite candidate, they just had
to fire a guy and they're paying out him and
his entire staff, and they got one year into that thing.
It was done, So let's not forget that too. I mean,
(27:42):
even though it's the Walton family, you're still you know,
you're still not really wanting to have to pay too
much or more than you have to. So I don't know.
Maybe they give him ten. I mean you'd have to
think that, have to. If they're prying him away from
from Michigan, they're gonna have to pay him more than
than Michigan is going to. And I think Michigan has
to paim you know, at least nine at half ten.
(28:03):
Like again, you gotta pay more than melt Sucker if
you're his agent. I mean, you have to be looking
at it. Go one, how is that guy getting paid more?
To me? Right now? So ten's gonna put you ahead
of Kyle Shanahan and just in back of Pete Carroll
for the Seahawks. So that's that's kind of the target range.
That's what we think, right, don't know that there's a
(28:23):
thought that some of the coaches make a little more
that depending on their um their ability to control the role. Yeah,
we still don't know what Sean McVeigh makes. Like they
put a range that's some people have estimated Belichicks making. Yeah,
so it's like, okay, what's what you know? What what
are we looking at here? It's two pros and a
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So why is c J. Stroud he played the day
because apparently and I didn't even realize this, And I
don't know how many people would realize this. Because Bryce
Young made his announcement, Jalen Carter made his announcement. It
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feels like all the the big names have made their
announcement as to whether or not they're going to declare
for the NFL Draft. But um, has that come out
on t J. Stroud get their Brady Quinn has that
been made official? Um, So, what's what's going on here?
I don't know. I'm not really quite sure. I thought
with the performance that he had to semifinal game versus Georgia,
(33:33):
which by the way was Ohist it had such a
good performance. There are some UH coaches that in the
final coaches Pool UH they put Ohio State as a
second team. They really felt like they're the second best
team in the country. The kind of finish off their
rankings ahead of TCU, even had of Michigan, even though Michigan,
you know, stopped out Ohio stay at home this year,
(33:53):
so kind of that sort of performance will do that
for you. But um, he hasn't announced yet. It's surprisingly
because I think it's up to him and Bryce Young.
I think those are the top two quarterbacks in my
opinion from watching film this year and seeing those guys
over their career in college. I know will Levice will
be up in that conversation too, big guy, really strong arm. Um,
(34:16):
just not quite as consistently accurate at all three levels, short,
intermediate in downfield. Um. You know he's a good athlete too.
I know he wasn't, you know, playing with quite as
much talent necessarily as what both c J. Stroud and
Bryce Young were. But still, um, those are the top
three guys, and I think Stroud is is right there
after that George performance, um, right there nipping on Bryce
(34:39):
Young's heels. So he hasn't declared. What does it mean
if he disass to come back. I don't know, because
that's you know, if you look at next year's class,
I wouldn't put him ahead of Caleb Williams, and I
don't know that I put him ahead of Drake May.
But so those those are the top two, so he
would be third in that class. Maybe he's still going
(35:00):
through figuring out, you know, who he wants to represent him.
That could be part of it. Maybe he's just trying
to announce in a certain type of way. I don't
know the specifics to it. It almost seems like a
foregone conclusion he's going to leave, So it's it's hard
to It's hard to tell, you know. Sometimes, and I
wonder if there's gonna be a player he's gonna do it,
(35:22):
if they have an idea as to who potentially is
going to draft them, and they're like, I don't want
to go there. I don't want to go there. I'm
gonna I'm gonna try to come back to school for
another year. I can make good money in n I
L and and I don't have to I can prolong
this decision for another year. I mean, it's hard to go.
It's hard to leave your college career in a better
(35:43):
place than he left his. With that performance in the
semifinal game, he was the best player on the field.
He was Marvin Harrison Jr. Was the best player on
the field. He didn't finish the game like he wasn't
the best player on the fil availability is the best ability,
that's my Oh, they probably win it. They probably win
(36:06):
that game. If he's out there. Yeah, yeah, they probably
win that game. I mean, well they as a kick,
but you know, come on, I'm just saying, by the way,
that's not up for debate. If he makes the kick,
they win if they if he misses like he did,
did you guys play with Can I ask you this?
Did you guys play with the kicker who missed a
(36:26):
crucial kick? What was it like? Never played with a kicker?
I'm sorry, Okay, well I'm saying, like, what is it
like for the kicker and next time he goes on
campus as opposed to like another position player. One of
my good friends in high school was our our kicker
and punter ended up getting a full ride. You had
a pit and he had a leg like I mean,
(36:47):
like on kickoffs, like kicking through the uprights, like stuff
that you just you don't see. And then like high
school football, right, and so he had an absolute rocket
for a leg. And I think it's a sophomore year
he was lining up for a kick and it was
wet conditions out which your big concern there is your
plant foot, so his right footed, so his left foot
when he plants to then swing his leg through and kick.
(37:10):
If that thing slips, it's over. And sure enough, when
he went to plant kind of slipped a little bit,
he hit a kick. Um, it was actually even worse
than the Ruggles kick. It was like kind of like
slow and left no chance that would have been for
the win. Granted that season was going nowhere for us,
but um, at that point he missed it. And I
(37:31):
didn't see him for like two weeks. I think he
basically like stayed at home and I'm not even sure
if he went to school. He did not handle it well,
but he came back and he was great, obvious got
a full ride again. See, but I feel like that's
excusable because of the plant foot. If he had just
knuckleballed that like Ruggles did. And by the way, the
(37:51):
college ball, when you hit it bad, looks worse than
the NFL ball because of the stripes and like add
some flare to it, and it just it's so unnecessary.
It's like, I know, I missed the kid. You don't
need to have the striped spinning side to side and
it makes it look even worse. But if you missed
because your plant foot slips, I feel like that's that's excusable.
He didn't need to disappear for two weeks because of that.
(38:12):
I mean, if he's that gout of a kicker, but
that's that's too bad. But you're a sophomore in high school,
it's like this stuff happens. Yeah, sorry, I mean, come on, um, LaVar,
do you ever have a kicker missed something that happened
my entire pro career? Okay? Who the whole trajectory on
my pro career is different if I have a kicker,
(38:32):
like we go to the playoffs. Maybe, yeah, if you
look it up, we were losing games by less than
a field goal, and if you look at how many
field goals were missed in in the games, especially my
rookie year. Yeah, who is the kid we started off?
I think we started off with Brett Conway shouts out
to Penn State, but he got hurt. Then I think
(38:54):
Eddie Murray came in. I mean we literally Eddie Murphy.
We we we had like three or four kickers, my
rookie year, the baseball player, Yeah, John Hall, John Hall.
He he kept getting hurt, but he was. He's a
dope dude. Who else or who else you got? Roberta?
(39:14):
Who else is Edy Garcia? Y Garcia? Yeah? Yeah yeah.
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