October 12, 2023 • 39 mins
The ‘Fire Canada’ movements could open the door for the return of Jon Gruden. The media tries to create NIL beef between Mark Stoops and Kirby Smart. LaVar takes issue with Shedeur Sanders’ watch flashing. Plus a TNF preview with “Over/Unders.”
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a conversation that has grown louder and louder and louder.
In the BQ News yesterday, as we closed up shop
on a Wednesday morning, like we usually do, Brady pointed
out that at the Penguins Blackhawks home opener, there were
(01:45):
chants of fire Matt Canada, so fire Canada, which you know,
probably threw some Canadian players for a loop wondering what
the hell they're talking about. But there was a fire
Canada chant, and there.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Probably were a lot of players who were offended. You know,
they're like, fire Canada. Oh, yeah, that's from that's my
that's my country.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey you want to fight a yeah, gotta gotta be careful.
But and when the chant is now spilling over into
a hockey game, a hockey game which the Penguin's lost,
by the way, giving up four unanswered goals, just disgusting.
I can't wait for the trade deadline, fire sale time.
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Speaking of witch there in Pittsburgh. But now the conversation
becomes okay, it's really a thing, and now it's really
a thing that's being talked about in other circles. And
so one of the big highlights, if not the only
highlight offensively for the Steelers all season, was the game
winning touchdown on Sunday in which Kenny Pickett threw deep
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to George Pickens. They connected go ahead touchdown, eventual winning touchdown,
and there was some speculation as to was that the
play called by Matt Canada or was there some sort
of an audible or something at the line of scrimmage,
And so Kenny Pickett was asked about that recently and
this was his response. It was protection in the route.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You know they went zero. I want to make sure
we're protected and gave George's route have made a great play.
Was it was something that we worked all week and
something it's awesome when you when you put a lot
of time in something in a crucial moment like that
to win a divisional game, you go out there and
you do it in a two minute Sure, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, what adds to a little bit of this is
the fact that there was a shot into the booth
of Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator and you know, it
didn't seem like he looked like the Ravens defensive coordinator,
not the Steelers offensive coordinator. You're saying he was panicking
at what he was hearing.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I just think that, I do think that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Don't the microphones go off at a certain point, Like
you can't hear what your quarterback is saying at a certain.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Point under fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think maybe the result maybe irked him a little bit.
And I don't like to do the whole body language thing,
but it did appear like he was maybe bothered that
Kenny Pickett might have checked out of whatever was called
and it resulted in a touchdown. And that's sort of
the speculation that is going on. But the Steelers are
in their bye week and it does feel like, you know,
(04:16):
this conversation is getting louder and louder and louder, and
at some point, Mike Tomlin's going to have to answer
questions or at least make a decision and just shut
everybody up for the entire season if it's can I
ask this question?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Because this all is coupled with a clip that went
kind of viral where you see everyone else in the
press box celebrating but Matt Canada. Is there an element
of if Mat Canada is in a room by himself
with no one else, or if you could only see him.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I don't know that you take anything away from this.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The difference is is you've got all these other coaches
up in the press box who celebrate, and he's like unemotional, right,
Like there's nothing now.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Granted, I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
As a play caller, you've always got to be playing
out the next scenario, the next play, next down.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
But in this case, that's the ballgame.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Like your quarterback just made a check in his protection
at check with the route. He's a second year starter.
That's the sort of progress you want to see. You
could give a fist pump, you could smile, you, you
could high five someone like, you could be fired up.
That's where I'm like, all right, because of this shot
where you don't see him act emotional at all, that
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would like bother me if I'm Kenny and I see that, right, Like,
all right, maybe that's just his personality. He's not an
emotional guy. But I just made a play to win
the game. And that's your reaction that that would bother
me a little bit.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I could draw that conclusion that you just drew cute
like I could see that that's that's feasible, definitely feasible.
But even if it's not that that's a big like
I told you guys, and if you know football, you
know it anyway, it's not like I needed to tell you.
That's a big game, Pittsburgh Baltimore. That's a big game.
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Like you throw a winning touchdown against a lot of
other teams, if it's against the Rams, if it's against
you know, somebody else, it's not that big of a deal.
You throw a game winning, go ahead touchdown against the
Ravens in a divisional tilt, that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like that's enough.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Even if you're the type of guy that doesn't get
excited and stuff like that, especially everything that has been transpiring,
the amount of scrutiny and criticism that's been coming your way,
negative energy, I would have been jumping up, pumping my fist, like,
hit my chest, like that's me, that's me, Like fire Canada,
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huh fire these you know what I mean, Like to
me in that moment, I might feel that way. You know,
I'm not going to downplay it. After I've been going
through all of this stuff, so but he didn't handle
it that way?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Is I don't you know, I don't know what would
it What would it take for the perception and opinion
of Matt Canada in and around town to change in
Pittsburgh or nationally now, because now this is becoming a
national story as every week goes on and the Steelers
offense looks dreadful, Like, what would it take? Because I
just feel like people have already made their minds up
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and they've already come to the conclusion that it's a
Matt Canada problem and not a Kenny Pickett problem. And
I don't know how this is any and I don't
know how he can win in this situation. It just
feels like we're we're we're heading towards a divorce at
some point, and now we're just kind of, you know,
crossing the t's and dotting the eyes.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The sad thing is the only thing that can make
it switch is you know, stuff coming out that it's
it's Kenny Pickett and didn't blaming him. But the problem is,
like I just have a hard time believing that because
I see instances like that where that's Picket doing you
know what he knows playing the game of football and
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going outside of what you know. Maybe again, he's kind
of coached up to do that within the offense. We
always say as quarterbacks, like that's your toolbox, right, Hey,
I see a pressure some sort of funny look that
I don't know much you like, I haven't seen this
on film yet. All right, go to seven man protection,
all right, protect yourself up. Give your three man route combination? Okay,
is a man as a zone? Do you have an indicator?
(08:24):
If not, like, go check to check to a quick
screen on the outside, Like, there's other little things you've
got in your toolbox you can do.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
He's doing it, like second year. Being able to take
that next step to me is.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Huge, And so again, I don't think it is Kenny
Pickett for any like their struggles. Now he hasn't always
played perfect, But I think it's more of the play calling.
And I think the only way that narrative changes is
if someone starts pulling the finger at picket.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
All I know is if they keep winning ugly without
the offense, and they make it to the playoffs with
this offense, it doesn't seem like the correlation of what
has happened in Canada's time there that Mike, Mike Tomlin
is going to look at it as it was a.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Miss or a loss.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
If he's making the playoffs, if he's finishing close to
the top, if not the top of the AFC North,
it just seems like he's okay with the smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Y'all don't like him. I love him, so deal with it,
and I does that backfire on him?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Is making the playoffs not a Does that ever become
not enough? During during Canada's ten you're there?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't know, But it didn't seem like cause these
harsh like you were putting this out there? What last
year Q like you were putting it out like, you know,
why wouldn't this like there was the same level of
intensity honestly in terms of how people were viewing Canada.
So if Mike Tomlin was going to give in to
the pressure of public outcry, fandom outcry, I think it
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would have happened this past offseason. So, I mean, I
wonder how how bad does it have to be? Do
they have to miss the playoffs for them to make
a decision on Canada, Because it doesn't seem like he's
giving into public opinion on how he handles things with this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You guys want to play a fun little game. Sure
you ready for this? The game? All right? So Jerry
Dulik of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette covers the Steelers. He
was asked about potential replacements as offensive coordinator for Matt
Canada if the Steelers go in that direction, and he
threw out a name. So you each get two guesses.
(10:48):
All right, we're talking to a big time name. We're
talking a name with Super Bowl pedigree, but kind of
a checkered reputation, especially over the past couple of years.
All right, so let's go ahead. We've got our game
show music ready. So LaVar Arrington, you are from the
four one two, You get first DIBs at this potential
offensive coordinator replacement in Pittsburgh. Thrown out by Jerry Dulik
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of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, left wich Byron Leftwitch. That's
a very good guess, all right, Brady Quinn, all right,
go ahead take it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna stick with the players. I'm
gonna say Ben.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Roethlisberger, Ben Roblisberger, both are incorrect. All right, So we'll
give you another clue here. This is somebody who is
a close and good friend of Mike Thomlin. He's older
in age again. Super Bowl pedigree, Bruce Arians, Bruce Arians.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
That's a good one. I don't know who his friends are,
so I don't know why I would know it based
off of that clue. Okay, just take a spin. Come on,
a guy that's close to Mike Tomlin. Super Bowl Todd Haley.
All right, that would be fun to have Todd Haley back,
but they didn't like he was there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
All right. One more guests here, all right, one more guests,
and I will go ahead and give you another clue.
This should be a dead giveaway at this point. Former
head coach of the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Oh, Chucky Steeler, shoot Jackson.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
LeVar Arrington, you have won. John Gruden is the answer.
Jerry Dulik. Throughout the potential and possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Tom does seem to be the one that Harbor's fugitives
at times.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
You know what didn't Tom? Did he come up on
Gruden's staff in Tampa?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think he did. Yeah, I think he did. He
was an assistant.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
There is that the backstory there between the two of
them and they.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Are friends, and so I didn't know they were close friends. Yeah,
so they are. They are friends. And Mike Tomlin, you know,
he's maybe looking around and kicking the tires. John Gruden
has done so well.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
You guys didn't like by Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think it was a good pool. It was a
good pool.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I just couldn't connect super Bowl to you though. That
was the only reason why I was like, nah with
super Bowl connected to Hugh.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But uh, I mean I think he's been a part
of like one staff somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I think they did go eight
and eight when he was head coach of the Raiders,
which Raider fans would take. They take right now, That's
for sure. They would if it was still a sixteen
game season. They take that in a heartbeat. But uh,
there is that name that's been thrown out there that
maybe John Gruden gets back and slowly works his way
back into the NFL. He was doing work this offseason
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with the Saints and Dennis Allen there, so you know,
he's got this legal battle going on with the NFL
that appears like he's well ahead on.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, It's like, remember Mike Tomlins sucking Brian Flores when
he has his lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, that's what I say, harboring fugitives. Y'all didn't hear me.
Y'all didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I heard you say it, but make sure we okay, okay,
I appreciate you putting more context to it. But yeah,
I mean he's the guy that, like, okay, like Mike
doesn't care what people think, so he'll do it like, oh,
you know Gruten's are racist, he's prejudiced.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, no, Da, that's not so what. He's my guy.
I mean that that's your opinion.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You can have your opinion opinions different than yours, right,
you know, I mean if you have somebody who doesn't,
and there's something to be said about that because the
culture we live in now, it's so driven by.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
By how people stupidity.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, well yeah, and just for me to get out
a little bit more context, it's it's almost like, if
we decide we don't like you, then whoever is employing
you has to not like you too, They have to
get rid of you.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Two.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So you have public opinion dominating decision making, whether it's
right for right or for wrong, whether it's just or
in jest, it's that's just what it is. So yeah,
Mike Tomlin doesn't seem to be driven by that. Clearly
he doesn't have any problem with supporting Matt Canada. So
if he were to bring in John grutin, I don't, Hey,
(15:24):
I'm bringing in John Gruton, deal with it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that'd be a fun hire, be fun to talk
about it interesting. So we'll see listening to buy a
week webe we'll get things together and the Steelers will
come back role and they are in first place in
the AFC North somehow, some way, and we'll continue to
monitor this situation as it develops. It is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio,
Lebar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. So coming
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up next, we got coaches. We got coaches that are
speaking their mind, and one of them may have caused
a bigger problem that he realized. We'll explain why that
is coming up next here, It's two Pros and a
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up twenty minutes from now. So nil has caused some
problems for some people in the world of college football.
There's some people out there who are not fans of it.
There's some coaches out there who like to call out
other coaches and programs. Recently, the most recent example of
that though, was Mark's Dupes, who is the head coach
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of Kentucky. This after Kentucky got smashed by Georgia, Mark
Stoops was on his Coaches show and he made some
comments about Georgia. Went and answering a call from somebody
who was very upset about the way Kentucky's been playing
and he made an accusation against Georgia. So we're gonna
hear that, then you're gonna hear Kirby Smart's response to
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it when asked about it, and then you're gonna hear
Mark Stoops come back and say everything was completely a misunderstanding.
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I could promise you, Georgia, they bought some pretty good
players you're allowed to these days, and we could use
some help. That's what they look like, you know what
I mean when you have eighty five of them. So
I encourage anybody that's disgruntled to pony up some more.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
George steps was talking about a nightly yesterday, Imatuck.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
You've heard about those comments, so he said, I can
promise you, Georgia, they bought some pretty good players you're.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Allowed to these days.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
We could use some help.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
That is that a fair assessment with your reaction to that,
That reaction much to do about nothing, really. I mean,
I think Mark's trying to garner interest in, you know,
money from his fan base first collective, and we're all
trying to do the same in terms of trying to
get money to our collective. I don't think Mark and
(18:19):
I talked about an IOLP free games and we talked
about it in our meetings.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
So I'm not I'm not biting all that.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
That was one part that was taken completely out of context.
You know, basically one person was questioning me and the
program of getting over the hump. I really simply should
have said, hey, dude, I got over a lot of humps.
That's not a hump, that's Mount Everest.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So there's Mark Steups and Kirby Smart back and forth.
I mean, I think it's funny. I'm sorry, I can't
help it.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It's so first off, let's more accurately portray this. This
isn't Mark Stoups and Kirby Smart. This isn't that's That's
not how this is portrayed. This is a big conversation
about how coaches discuss nil with the media. And in
my opinion, no, in no way was Mark Steup's taking
a shot at Kirby Smart.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
He was just pointing out what is true to some degree.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, now, I think it's a little easier to
get guys to want to come to your school after
you've won back to back national championships, Like everyone wants
to be a part of a winner. People want to
be associated with that. You see it with brands and marketing.
You see it all the time. Someone's a winner. They're like, Yeah,
I want to go see that guy. I want to
meet that person. So they want to be a part
of it. The truth of the matter is, though, is
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what Mark Stup's brought up, is you are allowed to
provide nil opportunities for student athletes when they get the campus.
And if Georgia is doing that at an elite level,
and they have combined with that back to back national
championships and a chance to win a third, it's hard
to compete with. And so how do you compete with that?
You got to pay kids more. I mean, that's that's
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the reality of it. So I don't know that there's
anything that Mark Stoops said that wasn't true. But I
thought Kirby smart handled the media trying to make more
of it as perfect as he could. And by the way,
he's on top of the college football world right now.
He's done a tremendous job on the field and even
building up things off the field for.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Their collective and everything else.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
So I don't know why we don't Revere Kirby Smart
given what he's potentially about to do this season, which
I'm trying to think of the last team, the three Peeter.
Actually I know the answer. It was back in like
the early nineteen hundred when Minnesota did it. So you know,
to me, like, let's portray this for what it is.
This isn't a Mark Stoops Kirby Smart. That's the media
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trying to manipulate this. It's just an NIL conversation. And
that's where college football is at right now, until there's
more governance or more people are looking over how all
this stuff works.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
NIL has opened up these conversations one hundred percent. Collectives.
It's a it's a business, and it's a business that
can can ultimately help schools really really build up what
they have going on with their programs. Everybody's I mean,
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I would assume most people are aware of how this
all works at this point, So I don't see why
anyone would continue to get offended by if one school
is more supportive and are able to garner the type
of funding through their collectives more so than other other schools.
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That's what would be perplexing to me. And if you
have a coach that's calling out their fan base or
their alumni base, or whatever it may be that's connected
to their community. It's kind of like I'll say, if
I'm a really good coach and you know I'm coaching
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and I'm calling good plays, but my players just aren't
of the caliber that playing against a Georgia team are
going to be, and you're not participating, you're not contributing.
I mean, does his statement have that does it ring true?
Is there some value to what he's saying. You know,
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you'll pay you, you'll pay a lot of things, you'll
do a lot of things to be a part of
a game day experience, But is any part of that
giving money to a collective to give to the to
the players basically is what he's saying. So, I mean,
from what I can gather, from what I can gather,
the way this is all working out at this point
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is is almost a starting salary for guys if they
have stars on their names, or if they're of a
high profile where they have to do X amount of
appearances for the collective and that's how they're paid.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I mean, you just derived all that from what Mark
Steup said.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, I'm just saying the larger conversation here is is
that he wants to he he would love to have
that type of support that a Kirby Smart and Georgia has. Sure,
That's that's what I'm saying. Like, regardless of if Stoope
says it, if Saban says it, any other coach says it.
In basketball, whatever it may be, players are being bought.
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That's that's and now you can actually say it. And
a kid isn't necessarily going to get suspension or lose
their eligibility because the way they're getting paid is legitimized.
Its legalized. And that's what that's the conversation of. Is
there there's still obviously a gray area, but but the
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rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and and those
in between they're just they're just there in between. But
that's a very real thing. It's a very real thing,
very real.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Doesn't it feel like Georgia is completely under the radar.
They haven't lost in almost six hundred and eighty days,
and it's almost like, huh yeah, just but like there's
so much conversation about Colorado and some of these other
storylines that Georgia just flying under the radar, like they
just be Kentucky fifty one thirteen, and it's like, well,
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you know, listen, this is just the way it is.
And if you look at their schedule, they got two
ranked opponents left in the regular season. Then whatever happens
in the SEC championship game, like this team is, we're
looking at a three peet square in the eyes. And
that's almost like not even like a top five discussion
in college football right now. Kind of why.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's because it's not the newest thing, right It's like
the newest hot thing is what everyone gravitates towards. They
can't appreciate the great nants the dominance that Georgia's had.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
It's almost like people get bored with it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Maybe that's more of an unbelievable man, it really is,
because like, like, for example, it's Notre Dame USC this week,
and people are talking about like this USC team and
the game and they're like.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Oh, I wish Notre Dame would have won. It would
have been such a big game. And I'm like, yeah,
kind of.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean, I'm like, when I played USC, you could
make the case that that was the greatest era of
USC football. He went back to back national championships and
they were going for a third in a row, like
that was the are that I had to play USC.
I'm like, these USC teams aren't aywhere close to that.
I said, not even anywhere close, not draft picks, not
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talent outside of Caleb Williams, not even close. And it's
like people just for whatever reason, they can't seem to
appreciate like history and what teams that have consistency of
what teams have done. I mean, for example, we're talking
about what Kirby Smart's done is being incredible into the
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college football world, like this could be if he three peats,
you could make the case he's done it in the
most difficult era in college football history because of the playoff.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
And that's saying something like.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You'd have to put him immediately up there in the
upper echelon of greatest coaches of all time. But what
doesn't get talked about enough is Mark Stoops is probably
the best head coach at Kentucky since.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Paul bear Bryant.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Think about that, like we look at Paul bear Bryan
as the greatest, one of the greatest head coaches and
associate him with Alabama. People tend to forget he coached
for Kentucky. From forty six to fifty three. He won
Coach the Year in nineteen fifty. Like, this has been
an incredible run for Mark Stoops at Kentucky all things considered,
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who also has won SEC Coach the Year in twenty eighteen.
Like there's a reason why he's calling out to his
alumni and collectors saying, like, hey, everyone on the outside
of us, this as a basketball school.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Look what I've done.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You haven't had this in literally half a century, over
half a century, and so now it's here. And if
you wanted to stay here in us to be competitive,
you can't just be supporting basketball like that. You got
to support football like that too, which is a Look,
it's a big money you know drive anyway, And by
the way, I'd say I'm late. What Mark stub Stuopis
(27:09):
has done with Kentucky football is much more impressive than
what John cala Perry has done with k basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Is that not fair?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Wis' coach? Cal got to catch astray in the middle
of October?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Come on, I'm just saying, if it's a basketball school,
what has Kentucky basketball done lately?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm up short, Yeah, you know what's gonna happen your
phone's gonna start lighting up with text messages because there's
some people that have rabbit ears when it comes to
Kentucky criticism.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
No won't, No won't because they know I'm speaking truth
to it. Like that's the reality is as anyone who's
sitting there and likes to Kentucky, if they want to
argue that you're out of your you're out of your mind.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I was gonna say, you're out of your Damn.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I wanted. I wanted to go there. Out of your mind,
ain't you I mean, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, it's true. Yeah, And I just think it's he's
probably looking around going what can I do, Like, how
how do I compete with this? Because think about all
the great players Georgie's lost. I mean, by the way,
Jalen Carter is going to be Rookie of the Year.
He's unbelievable. And that was a guy who's defensive, Yeah,
defensive Rookie of the Year and he's been unbelievable. But
you just think about all the players they lost, They
(28:13):
lost their starting quarterback, all the talent that has come
through Georgia in the past couple of years, and still
just staying steady, just winning games, beating beating teams, beating
them handedly. They've been in some close games. They're maybe
not as good as they were last year or the
year before, but I just think it's one of the
there's more discussion about Dion Sanders' son flash and a
(28:38):
watch than Georgia and not losing a football game in
almost six hundred and eighty days. That's that's wild to me.
And Kirby Smart probably loves it. It's probably probably the
best thing that's happened to him. Just keep on keeping
on and maybe they're going to win a third straight
national title. So good for them. Oh well, Georgia Bulldogs,
(28:58):
they're good. Why don't you like him flashing his watched
the bar? What bothers you about that? About shador flashings?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I just think it's too much and it takes a lot.
It takes a lot for me to say it's too much.
It's too much. And listen, Iowa was Sam was very
triggered by it as well too. I think when Prime was,
I was Prome, but Prime was too much when he played,
I mean he was. But the difference is Deon Sanders
(29:27):
is literally arguably the greatest athlete of all time, literally
in the conversation of greatest athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I mean, I don't want to, you know, put too
much out there about this, but we did have a
conversation about the whole it's personal thing. And then we
did see some Phillies players, which okay for starters, Deon
Sanders played for Atlanta. Like the fact that you had
Phillies players wearing a Prime sweatshirt, a T shirt with
Dion on it.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
It was like, hold on, dude, I know you guys
are young, but do you guys know the history. You
guys know the unplayed for.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
The other team in the world, Like, if anyone should
be wearing T shirts, it should be them. It should
be the Atlanta Breads, Right. But they did mention it's personal,
and that's who they used as their example of what
was said and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I mean, flash and a watch. I got no problem
with it. I think it's funny. I mean it could
be funny. Good. I'm glad you think that. I just
think that to me.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You're you're a quarterback, You've you've burst onto the scene
in a major way. You have so many opportunities out there.
Why why complicated, like in that moment, like why complicated?
Like I have no problem with taunting an opposing team's
(30:48):
fans why you're leaving the field, But if.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You powerhouse like Arizona State, you should deserve I.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Don't even get involved with like, oh, if they were
a winning team or if they're not a winning it
doesn't Mattter Like, there's just a level of how and
my estimation of how you handle things like if you
went if you went by and was like you know,
like even if he did the watch flashing deal while
he's going by to the locker room, or it was quick,
(31:16):
it was like so orchestrated and so like like choreographed
and and for what.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
For what?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Like Okay, you got Khalid and Rick Ross and all
these other people out here. That's that's behind it. It's
really turned into the way this has been kind of
framed and and positioned.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's just too deep. I'm not even gonna do that. No,
it's just it's I'm gonna leave it alone. But it's
it's a little too much. And I'm saying that in
terms of for Shador's well being as not only a player,
but just as a person in general, It's like, there's
no reason for you to put that type of spotlight
on yourself, that type of target on you. There's no
(32:07):
reason to do it, Like, just keep playing. There are
a lot of people that didn't think that Shador Sanders
could do what he's doing right now at the level
that he's doing it at. And yet he's doing it.
And for the ones who thought he could, they get
proven right. Let them be the ones that flash their watches,
let them be the ones that do the taunting that,
let that be what it is. But I just think
(32:28):
for him he's doing he's hurting his his status, he's
hurting his stock if you ask me, Yeah, I mean, listen,
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Oh yeah, this double j Hey, you don't know nothing
about this var Huh? Who's right? What have you done
for me lately? Man? Janet Jackson bangers songs had a
(34:08):
lot of them. Now does she lip sync like her
brother Michael did or no?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm just curious what. Yeah, I mean there was a
point most people did when they danced real hard.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Not everybody.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
You You really do pick like the weirdest battles to
take on.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh, that's what they call it. The can man. Anybody
can get it.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Oh wow, yeah, So why are you the can man?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
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Janet Jackson's better than Michael Jackson. There's your hot take
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We'll get into that for you again top of next hour,
but right now it is time for this.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Time to put your money where your mouth is.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I have been loaded, you know you Alan low life
Gamble the January.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's over under I lead the lab.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
How'd we do last week? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:32):
Recap of last week you guys game total point total
for last week was forty four and a half.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Jonas and LeVar, you guys had the over.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Of course, Chicago won that game forty to twenty over
the Commanders passing touchdowns for Sam, how everybody took the over.
He did throw two passing in rushing yards for Justin
Fields was at two forty five and a half. Jonas,
you were the only one to take the over on
that one. Correctly, b bang Justin Fields. Turnovers in that
game was at a half. Brady and LeVar, you guys
correctly took the under. And then lastly LeVar Arrington Jersey
(36:02):
spotted at the game. We had it at a half. Joonas, LeVar,
you guys took the unders on that we could review
the tape. I've reviewed it once or twice since.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Oh I saw one, Oh yeah, I did, I did.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
I did screenshot it for every Brady, I'll give you
two points.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Well, how am I an screenshot at now?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Lee?
Speaker 10 (36:20):
I don't know, tell me what it was.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But here's the thing is, we can't, Lee, we can't
do these anymore because we have to rely on you
being sober when you're watching these games, which is never
a good compelsation.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
I was a lamb game.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
I was sober as a bird.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, you don't get Once you have kids, you'll understand
those football games get erased off the DVR pretty quickly,
and Blewy episodes are just filled to the brim on
that bad that so much.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
It's the fact that Lee wants to me in the
next two minutes to you'll find that and take a
screenshot of it.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
We got all week.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
Maybe I'll find it for you.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
But Brady, well, we got to move on that retroactively
change it after who won guys?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
As always, LeVar wins for one, Jonas also four one,
Brady two three. The totals right now, I got ahead
of myself, but you're basically saying I'm winning overall overall.
You have a one point lead on Jonas, two point
lead on Brady, so we're all close here. We got
this week this week point total for the game in
(37:22):
week six, Thursday Night Football forty seven points over.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Over over over. She shall get that alone.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
Asking touchdowns for Patrick Mahomes two and a.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Half over over, I'll take the.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I'm gonna say, under, okay, are we counting.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That little flip play they do at the God I'm
taking tho. It's basically it's basically a long armed handoff.
I'm sick of that crap. I'll take the over.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Then I'll take the over. I'll take the over, Okay.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
All overs. Fella's total turnovers for Russell Wilson one and.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
A half, one and a half.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm gonna take the under. Yeah, you know only I'll
take the over. Mind being negative once or twice?
Speaker 11 (38:10):
Sure, you know, receiving yards for Travis Kelsey sixty six
and a half the under.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I don't think it's I'll take the under as well,
all right, but then again, his girlfriend is going to
be there. I'm take the over. I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Well, speaking of that first cutaway to Taylor Swift after kickoff,
before or after the first commercial.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Break before before before, yeah, you gotta keep the audience
because by that time Kansas City will be up three touchdowns.
You got to keep the audience.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
So I speak like a true Bears fan, But what come.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
On, what shouldn't trying to point out what's the potential
of happening here? Oh I'm doing yeah?
Speaker 6 (38:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Why it's Labar so good at this game. By the way,
secret care, I mean, that's the secret.
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a conversation that has grown louder and louder and louder.
In the BQ News yesterday, as we closed up shop
on a Wednesday morning, like we usually do, Brady pointed
out that at the Penguins Blackhawks home opener, there were
(01:45):
chants of fire Matt Canada, so fire Canada, which you know,
probably threw some Canadian players for a loop wondering what
the hell they're talking about. But there was a fire
Canada chant, and there.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Probably were a lot of players who were offended. You know,
they're like, fire Canada. Oh, yeah, that's from that's my
that's my country.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Hey you want to fight a yeah, gotta gotta be careful.
But and when the chant is now spilling over into
a hockey game, a hockey game which the Penguin's lost,
by the way, giving up four unanswered goals, just disgusting.
I can't wait for the trade deadline, fire sale time.
(02:24):
Speaking of witch there in Pittsburgh. But now the conversation
becomes okay, it's really a thing, and now it's really
a thing that's being talked about in other circles. And
so one of the big highlights, if not the only
highlight offensively for the Steelers all season, was the game
winning touchdown on Sunday in which Kenny Pickett threw deep
(02:47):
to George Pickens. They connected go ahead touchdown, eventual winning touchdown,
and there was some speculation as to was that the
play called by Matt Canada or was there some sort
of an audible or something at the line of scrimmage,
And so Kenny Pickett was asked about that recently and
this was his response. It was protection in the route.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You know they went zero. I want to make sure
we're protected and gave George's route have made a great play.
Was it was something that we worked all week and
something it's awesome when you when you put a lot
of time in something in a crucial moment like that
to win a divisional game, you go out there and
you do it in a two minute Sure, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now, what adds to a little bit of this is
the fact that there was a shot into the booth
of Matt Canada, the offensive coordinator and you know, it
didn't seem like he looked like the Ravens defensive coordinator,
not the Steelers offensive coordinator. You're saying he was panicking
at what he was hearing.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
I just think that, I do think that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Don't the microphones go off at a certain point, Like
you can't hear what your quarterback is saying at a certain.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Point under fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
I think maybe the result maybe irked him a little bit.
And I don't like to do the whole body language thing,
but it did appear like he was maybe bothered that
Kenny Pickett might have checked out of whatever was called
and it resulted in a touchdown. And that's sort of
the speculation that is going on. But the Steelers are
in their bye week and it does feel like, you know,
(04:16):
this conversation is getting louder and louder and louder, and
at some point, Mike Tomlin's going to have to answer
questions or at least make a decision and just shut
everybody up for the entire season if it's can I
ask this question?
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Because this all is coupled with a clip that went
kind of viral where you see everyone else in the
press box celebrating but Matt Canada. Is there an element
of if Mat Canada is in a room by himself
with no one else, or if you could only see him.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
I don't know that you take anything away from this.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
The difference is is you've got all these other coaches
up in the press box who celebrate, and he's like unemotional, right,
Like there's nothing now.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Granted, I get it.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
As a play caller, you've always got to be playing
out the next scenario, the next play, next down.
Speaker 6 (05:07):
But in this case, that's the ballgame.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Like your quarterback just made a check in his protection
at check with the route. He's a second year starter.
That's the sort of progress you want to see. You
could give a fist pump, you could smile, you, you
could high five someone like, you could be fired up.
That's where I'm like, all right, because of this shot
where you don't see him act emotional at all, that
(05:31):
would like bother me if I'm Kenny and I see that, right, Like,
all right, maybe that's just his personality. He's not an
emotional guy. But I just made a play to win
the game. And that's your reaction that that would bother
me a little bit.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
I saw it.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
I could draw that conclusion that you just drew cute
like I could see that that's that's feasible, definitely feasible.
But even if it's not that that's a big like
I told you guys, and if you know football, you
know it anyway, it's not like I needed to tell you.
That's a big game, Pittsburgh Baltimore. That's a big game.
(06:08):
Like you throw a winning touchdown against a lot of
other teams, if it's against the Rams, if it's against
you know, somebody else, it's not that big of a deal.
You throw a game winning, go ahead touchdown against the
Ravens in a divisional tilt, that's a big deal.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Like that's enough.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Even if you're the type of guy that doesn't get
excited and stuff like that, especially everything that has been transpiring,
the amount of scrutiny and criticism that's been coming your way,
negative energy, I would have been jumping up, pumping my fist, like,
hit my chest, like that's me, that's me, Like fire Canada,
(06:51):
huh fire these you know what I mean, Like to
me in that moment, I might feel that way. You know,
I'm not going to downplay it. After I've been going
through all of this stuff, so but he didn't handle
it that way?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Is I don't you know, I don't know what would
it What would it take for the perception and opinion
of Matt Canada in and around town to change in
Pittsburgh or nationally now, because now this is becoming a
national story as every week goes on and the Steelers
offense looks dreadful, Like, what would it take? Because I
just feel like people have already made their minds up
(07:25):
and they've already come to the conclusion that it's a
Matt Canada problem and not a Kenny Pickett problem. And
I don't know how this is any and I don't
know how he can win in this situation. It just
feels like we're we're we're heading towards a divorce at
some point, and now we're just kind of, you know,
crossing the t's and dotting the eyes.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
The sad thing is the only thing that can make
it switch is you know, stuff coming out that it's
it's Kenny Pickett and didn't blaming him. But the problem is,
like I just have a hard time believing that because
I see instances like that where that's Picket doing you
know what he knows playing the game of football and
(08:04):
going outside of what you know. Maybe again, he's kind
of coached up to do that within the offense. We
always say as quarterbacks, like that's your toolbox, right, Hey,
I see a pressure some sort of funny look that
I don't know much you like, I haven't seen this
on film yet. All right, go to seven man protection,
all right, protect yourself up. Give your three man route combination? Okay,
is a man as a zone? Do you have an indicator?
(08:24):
If not, like, go check to check to a quick
screen on the outside, Like, there's other little things you've
got in your toolbox you can do.
Speaker 6 (08:31):
He's doing it, like second year. Being able to take
that next step to me is.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Huge, And so again, I don't think it is Kenny
Pickett for any like their struggles. Now he hasn't always
played perfect, But I think it's more of the play calling.
And I think the only way that narrative changes is
if someone starts pulling the finger at picket.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
All I know is if they keep winning ugly without
the offense, and they make it to the playoffs with
this offense, it doesn't seem like the correlation of what
has happened in Canada's time there that Mike, Mike Tomlin
is going to look at it as it was a.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Miss or a loss.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
If he's making the playoffs, if he's finishing close to
the top, if not the top of the AFC North,
it just seems like he's okay with the smoke.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Y'all don't like him. I love him, so deal with it,
and I does that backfire on him?
Speaker 6 (09:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Is making the playoffs not a Does that ever become
not enough? During during Canada's ten you're there?
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I don't know, But it didn't seem like cause these
harsh like you were putting this out there? What last
year Q like you were putting it out like, you know,
why wouldn't this like there was the same level of
intensity honestly in terms of how people were viewing Canada.
So if Mike Tomlin was going to give in to
the pressure of public outcry, fandom outcry, I think it
(10:12):
would have happened this past offseason. So, I mean, I
wonder how how bad does it have to be? Do
they have to miss the playoffs for them to make
a decision on Canada, Because it doesn't seem like he's
giving into public opinion on how he handles things with this.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
You guys want to play a fun little game. Sure
you ready for this? The game? All right? So Jerry
Dulik of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette covers the Steelers. He
was asked about potential replacements as offensive coordinator for Matt
Canada if the Steelers go in that direction, and he
threw out a name. So you each get two guesses.
(10:48):
All right, we're talking to a big time name. We're
talking a name with Super Bowl pedigree, but kind of
a checkered reputation, especially over the past couple of years.
All right, so let's go ahead. We've got our game
show music ready. So LaVar Arrington, you are from the
four one two, You get first DIBs at this potential
offensive coordinator replacement in Pittsburgh. Thrown out by Jerry Dulik
(11:12):
of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, left wich Byron Leftwitch. That's
a very good guess, all right, Brady Quinn, all right,
go ahead take it.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I'm gonna say I'm gonna stick with the players. I'm
gonna say Ben.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Roethlisberger, Ben Roblisberger, both are incorrect. All right, So we'll
give you another clue here. This is somebody who is
a close and good friend of Mike Thomlin. He's older
in age again. Super Bowl pedigree, Bruce Arians, Bruce Arians.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Very good.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
That's a good one. I don't know who his friends are,
so I don't know why I would know it based
off of that clue. Okay, just take a spin. Come on,
a guy that's close to Mike Tomlin. Super Bowl Todd Haley.
All right, that would be fun to have Todd Haley back,
but they didn't like he was there.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
All right. One more guests here, all right, one more guests,
and I will go ahead and give you another clue.
This should be a dead giveaway at this point. Former
head coach of the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Oh, Chucky Steeler, shoot Jackson.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
LeVar Arrington, you have won. John Gruden is the answer.
Jerry Dulik. Throughout the potential and possibility.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Tom does seem to be the one that Harbor's fugitives
at times.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
You know what didn't Tom? Did he come up on
Gruden's staff in Tampa?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
I think he did. Yeah, I think he did. He
was an assistant.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
There is that the backstory there between the two of
them and they.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Are friends, and so I didn't know they were close friends. Yeah,
so they are. They are friends. And Mike Tomlin, you know,
he's maybe looking around and kicking the tires. John Gruden
has done so well.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
You guys didn't like by Hugh Jackson.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I think it was a good pool. It was a
good pool.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I just couldn't connect super Bowl to you though. That
was the only reason why I was like, nah with
super Bowl connected to Hugh.
Speaker 6 (13:25):
But uh, I mean I think he's been a part
of like one staff somewhere in there.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, I don't know. I think they did go eight
and eight when he was head coach of the Raiders,
which Raider fans would take. They take right now, That's
for sure. They would if it was still a sixteen
game season. They take that in a heartbeat. But uh,
there is that name that's been thrown out there that
maybe John Gruden gets back and slowly works his way
back into the NFL. He was doing work this offseason
(13:50):
with the Saints and Dennis Allen there, so you know,
he's got this legal battle going on with the NFL
that appears like he's well ahead on.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Yeah, It's like, remember Mike Tomlins sucking Brian Flores when
he has his lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, that's what I say, harboring fugitives. Y'all didn't hear me.
Y'all didn't catch that.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I heard you say it, but make sure we okay, okay,
I appreciate you putting more context to it. But yeah,
I mean he's the guy that, like, okay, like Mike
doesn't care what people think, so he'll do it like, oh,
you know Gruten's are racist, he's prejudiced.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
No, no, Da, that's not so what. He's my guy.
I mean that that's your opinion.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
You can have your opinion opinions different than yours, right,
you know, I mean if you have somebody who doesn't,
and there's something to be said about that because the
culture we live in now, it's so driven by.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
By how people stupidity.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Okay, well yeah, and just for me to get out
a little bit more context, it's it's almost like, if
we decide we don't like you, then whoever is employing
you has to not like you too, They have to
get rid of you.
Speaker 6 (15:01):
Two.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So you have public opinion dominating decision making, whether it's
right for right or for wrong, whether it's just or
in jest, it's that's just what it is. So yeah,
Mike Tomlin doesn't seem to be driven by that. Clearly
he doesn't have any problem with supporting Matt Canada. So
if he were to bring in John grutin, I don't, Hey,
(15:24):
I'm bringing in John Gruton, deal with it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah, that'd be a fun hire, be fun to talk
about it interesting. So we'll see listening to buy a
week webe we'll get things together and the Steelers will
come back role and they are in first place in
the AFC North somehow, some way, and we'll continue to
monitor this situation as it develops. It is two Pros
and a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio,
Lebar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. So coming
(15:47):
up next, we got coaches. We got coaches that are
speaking their mind, and one of them may have caused
a bigger problem that he realized. We'll explain why that
is coming up next here, It's two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
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and the Chiefs. So that'll be yours here again coming
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up twenty minutes from now. So nil has caused some
problems for some people in the world of college football.
There's some people out there who are not fans of it.
There's some coaches out there who like to call out
other coaches and programs. Recently, the most recent example of
that though, was Mark's Dupes, who is the head coach
(17:01):
of Kentucky. This after Kentucky got smashed by Georgia, Mark
Stoops was on his Coaches show and he made some
comments about Georgia. Went and answering a call from somebody
who was very upset about the way Kentucky's been playing
and he made an accusation against Georgia. So we're gonna
hear that, then you're gonna hear Kirby Smart's response to
(17:24):
it when asked about it, and then you're gonna hear
Mark Stoops come back and say everything was completely a misunderstanding.
Here we go.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
I could promise you, Georgia, they bought some pretty good
players you're allowed to these days, and we could use
some help. That's what they look like, you know what
I mean when you have eighty five of them. So
I encourage anybody that's disgruntled to pony up some more.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
George steps was talking about a nightly yesterday, Imatuck.
Speaker 8 (17:51):
You've heard about those comments, so he said, I can
promise you, Georgia, they bought some pretty good players you're.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Allowed to these days.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
We could use some help.
Speaker 7 (17:58):
That is that a fair assessment with your reaction to that,
That reaction much to do about nothing, really. I mean,
I think Mark's trying to garner interest in, you know,
money from his fan base first collective, and we're all
trying to do the same in terms of trying to
get money to our collective. I don't think Mark and
(18:19):
I talked about an IOLP free games and we talked
about it in our meetings.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
So I'm not I'm not biting all that.
Speaker 9 (18:27):
That was one part that was taken completely out of context.
You know, basically one person was questioning me and the
program of getting over the hump. I really simply should
have said, hey, dude, I got over a lot of humps.
That's not a hump, that's Mount Everest.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
So there's Mark Steups and Kirby Smart back and forth.
I mean, I think it's funny. I'm sorry, I can't
help it.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
It's so first off, let's more accurately portray this. This
isn't Mark Stoups and Kirby Smart. This isn't that's That's
not how this is portrayed. This is a big conversation
about how coaches discuss nil with the media. And in
my opinion, no, in no way was Mark Steup's taking
a shot at Kirby Smart.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
He was just pointing out what is true to some degree.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, now, I think it's a little easier to
get guys to want to come to your school after
you've won back to back national championships, Like everyone wants
to be a part of a winner. People want to
be associated with that. You see it with brands and marketing.
You see it all the time. Someone's a winner. They're like, Yeah,
I want to go see that guy. I want to
meet that person. So they want to be a part
of it. The truth of the matter is, though, is
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what Mark Stup's brought up, is you are allowed to
provide nil opportunities for student athletes when they get the campus.
And if Georgia is doing that at an elite level,
and they have combined with that back to back national
championships and a chance to win a third, it's hard
to compete with. And so how do you compete with that?
You got to pay kids more. I mean, that's that's
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the reality of it. So I don't know that there's
anything that Mark Stoops said that wasn't true. But I
thought Kirby smart handled the media trying to make more
of it as perfect as he could. And by the way,
he's on top of the college football world right now.
He's done a tremendous job on the field and even
building up things off the field for.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Their collective and everything else.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
So I don't know why we don't Revere Kirby Smart
given what he's potentially about to do this season, which
I'm trying to think of the last team, the three Peeter.
Actually I know the answer. It was back in like
the early nineteen hundred when Minnesota did it. So you know,
to me, like, let's portray this for what it is.
This isn't a Mark Stoops Kirby Smart. That's the media
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trying to manipulate this. It's just an NIL conversation. And
that's where college football is at right now, until there's
more governance or more people are looking over how all
this stuff works.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
NIL has opened up these conversations one hundred percent. Collectives.
It's a it's a business, and it's a business that
can can ultimately help schools really really build up what
they have going on with their programs. Everybody's I mean,
(21:09):
I would assume most people are aware of how this
all works at this point, So I don't see why
anyone would continue to get offended by if one school
is more supportive and are able to garner the type
of funding through their collectives more so than other other schools.
(21:31):
That's what would be perplexing to me. And if you
have a coach that's calling out their fan base or
their alumni base, or whatever it may be that's connected
to their community. It's kind of like I'll say, if
I'm a really good coach and you know I'm coaching
(21:52):
and I'm calling good plays, but my players just aren't
of the caliber that playing against a Georgia team are
going to be, and you're not participating, you're not contributing.
I mean, does his statement have that does it ring true?
Is there some value to what he's saying. You know,
(22:14):
you'll pay you, you'll pay a lot of things, you'll
do a lot of things to be a part of
a game day experience, But is any part of that
giving money to a collective to give to the to
the players basically is what he's saying. So, I mean,
from what I can gather, from what I can gather,
the way this is all working out at this point
(22:36):
is is almost a starting salary for guys if they
have stars on their names, or if they're of a
high profile where they have to do X amount of
appearances for the collective and that's how they're paid.
Speaker 6 (22:50):
I mean, you just derived all that from what Mark
Steup said.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Well, I'm just saying the larger conversation here is is
that he wants to he he would love to have
that type of support that a Kirby Smart and Georgia has. Sure,
That's that's what I'm saying. Like, regardless of if Stoope
says it, if Saban says it, any other coach says it.
In basketball, whatever it may be, players are being bought.
(23:18):
That's that's and now you can actually say it. And
a kid isn't necessarily going to get suspension or lose
their eligibility because the way they're getting paid is legitimized.
Its legalized. And that's what that's the conversation of. Is
there there's still obviously a gray area, but but the
(23:38):
rich get richer, the poor stay poor, and and those
in between they're just they're just there in between. But
that's a very real thing. It's a very real thing,
very real.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Doesn't it feel like Georgia is completely under the radar.
They haven't lost in almost six hundred and eighty days,
and it's almost like, huh yeah, just but like there's
so much conversation about Colorado and some of these other
storylines that Georgia just flying under the radar, like they
just be Kentucky fifty one thirteen, and it's like, well,
(24:11):
you know, listen, this is just the way it is.
And if you look at their schedule, they got two
ranked opponents left in the regular season. Then whatever happens
in the SEC championship game, like this team is, we're
looking at a three peet square in the eyes. And
that's almost like not even like a top five discussion
in college football right now. Kind of why.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
It's because it's not the newest thing, right It's like
the newest hot thing is what everyone gravitates towards. They
can't appreciate the great nants the dominance that Georgia's had.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
It's almost like people get bored with it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Maybe that's more of an unbelievable man, it really is,
because like, like, for example, it's Notre Dame USC this week,
and people are talking about like this USC team and
the game and they're like.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
Oh, I wish Notre Dame would have won. It would
have been such a big game. And I'm like, yeah,
kind of.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
I mean, I'm like, when I played USC, you could
make the case that that was the greatest era of
USC football. He went back to back national championships and
they were going for a third in a row, like
that was the are that I had to play USC.
I'm like, these USC teams aren't aywhere close to that.
I said, not even anywhere close, not draft picks, not
(25:23):
talent outside of Caleb Williams, not even close. And it's
like people just for whatever reason, they can't seem to
appreciate like history and what teams that have consistency of
what teams have done. I mean, for example, we're talking
about what Kirby Smart's done is being incredible into the
(25:43):
college football world, like this could be if he three peats,
you could make the case he's done it in the
most difficult era in college football history because of the playoff.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
And that's saying something like.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
You'd have to put him immediately up there in the
upper echelon of greatest coaches of all time. But what
doesn't get talked about enough is Mark Stoops is probably
the best head coach at Kentucky since.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
Paul bear Bryant.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Think about that, like we look at Paul bear Bryan
as the greatest, one of the greatest head coaches and
associate him with Alabama. People tend to forget he coached
for Kentucky. From forty six to fifty three. He won
Coach the Year in nineteen fifty. Like, this has been
an incredible run for Mark Stoops at Kentucky all things considered,
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who also has won SEC Coach the Year in twenty eighteen.
Like there's a reason why he's calling out to his
alumni and collectors saying, like, hey, everyone on the outside
of us, this as a basketball school.
Speaker 6 (26:47):
Look what I've done.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
You haven't had this in literally half a century, over
half a century, and so now it's here. And if
you wanted to stay here in us to be competitive,
you can't just be supporting basketball like that. You got
to support football like that too, which is a Look,
it's a big money you know drive anyway, And by
the way, I'd say I'm late. What Mark stub Stuopis
(27:09):
has done with Kentucky football is much more impressive than
what John cala Perry has done with k basketball.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Is that not fair?
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Wis' coach? Cal got to catch astray in the middle
of October?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Come on, I'm just saying, if it's a basketball school,
what has Kentucky basketball done lately?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm up short, Yeah, you know what's gonna happen your
phone's gonna start lighting up with text messages because there's
some people that have rabbit ears when it comes to
Kentucky criticism.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
No won't, No won't because they know I'm speaking truth
to it. Like that's the reality is as anyone who's
sitting there and likes to Kentucky, if they want to
argue that you're out of your you're out of your mind.
Speaker 6 (27:43):
I was gonna say, you're out of your Damn.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Damn.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
I wanted. I wanted to go there. Out of your mind,
ain't you I mean, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, it's true. Yeah, And I just think it's he's
probably looking around going what can I do, Like, how
how do I compete with this? Because think about all
the great players Georgie's lost. I mean, by the way,
Jalen Carter is going to be Rookie of the Year.
He's unbelievable. And that was a guy who's defensive, Yeah,
defensive Rookie of the Year and he's been unbelievable. But
you just think about all the players they lost, They
(28:13):
lost their starting quarterback, all the talent that has come
through Georgia in the past couple of years, and still
just staying steady, just winning games, beating beating teams, beating
them handedly. They've been in some close games. They're maybe
not as good as they were last year or the
year before, but I just think it's one of the
there's more discussion about Dion Sanders' son flash and a
(28:38):
watch than Georgia and not losing a football game in
almost six hundred and eighty days. That's that's wild to me.
And Kirby Smart probably loves it. It's probably probably the
best thing that's happened to him. Just keep on keeping
on and maybe they're going to win a third straight
national title. So good for them. Oh well, Georgia Bulldogs,
(28:58):
they're good. Why don't you like him flashing his watched
the bar? What bothers you about that? About shador flashings?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Why?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I just think it's too much and it takes a lot.
It takes a lot for me to say it's too much.
It's too much. And listen, Iowa was Sam was very
triggered by it as well too. I think when Prime was,
I was Prome, but Prime was too much when he played,
I mean he was. But the difference is Deon Sanders
(29:27):
is literally arguably the greatest athlete of all time, literally
in the conversation of greatest athletes of all time.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I mean, I don't want to, you know, put too
much out there about this, but we did have a
conversation about the whole it's personal thing. And then we
did see some Phillies players, which okay for starters, Deon
Sanders played for Atlanta. Like the fact that you had
Phillies players wearing a Prime sweatshirt, a T shirt with
Dion on it.
Speaker 6 (29:57):
It was like, hold on, dude, I know you guys
are young, but do you guys know the history. You
guys know the unplayed for.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
The other team in the world, Like, if anyone should
be wearing T shirts, it should be them. It should
be the Atlanta Breads, Right. But they did mention it's personal,
and that's who they used as their example of what
was said and all that.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
I mean, flash and a watch. I got no problem
with it. I think it's funny. I mean it could
be funny. Good. I'm glad you think that. I just
think that to me.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
You're you're a quarterback, You've you've burst onto the scene
in a major way. You have so many opportunities out there.
Why why complicated, like in that moment, like why complicated?
Like I have no problem with taunting an opposing team's
(30:48):
fans why you're leaving the field, But if.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
You powerhouse like Arizona State, you should deserve I.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Don't even get involved with like, oh, if they were
a winning team or if they're not a winning it
doesn't Mattter Like, there's just a level of how and
my estimation of how you handle things like if you
went if you went by and was like you know,
like even if he did the watch flashing deal while
he's going by to the locker room, or it was quick,
(31:16):
it was like so orchestrated and so like like choreographed
and and for what.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
For what?
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Like Okay, you got Khalid and Rick Ross and all
these other people out here. That's that's behind it. It's
really turned into the way this has been kind of
framed and and positioned.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's kind of.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
That's just too deep. I'm not even gonna do that. No,
it's just it's I'm gonna leave it alone. But it's
it's a little too much. And I'm saying that in
terms of for Shador's well being as not only a player,
but just as a person in general, It's like, there's
no reason for you to put that type of spotlight
on yourself, that type of target on you. There's no
(32:07):
reason to do it, Like, just keep playing. There are
a lot of people that didn't think that Shador Sanders
could do what he's doing right now at the level
that he's doing it at. And yet he's doing it.
And for the ones who thought he could, they get
proven right. Let them be the ones that flash their watches,
let them be the ones that do the taunting that,
let that be what it is. But I just think
(32:28):
for him he's doing he's hurting his his status, he's
hurting his stock if you ask me, Yeah, I mean, listen,
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Oh yeah, this double j Hey, you don't know nothing
about this var Huh? Who's right? What have you done
for me lately? Man? Janet Jackson bangers songs had a
(34:08):
lot of them. Now does she lip sync like her
brother Michael did or no?
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I'm just curious what. Yeah, I mean there was a
point most people did when they danced real hard.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
Not everybody.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
You You really do pick like the weirdest battles to
take on.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Oh, that's what they call it. The can man. Anybody
can get it.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Oh wow, yeah, So why are you the can man?
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Anybody can get it? Go be the can man. Nobody's safe.
Janet Jackson's better than Michael Jackson. There's your hot take
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Night football and this matchup coming up later on tonight.
(35:16):
We'll get into that for you again top of next hour,
but right now it is time for this.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
Time to put your money where your mouth is.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
I have been loaded, you know you Alan low life
Gamble the January.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
It's over under I lead the lab.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
How'd we do last week? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (35:32):
Recap of last week you guys game total point total
for last week was forty four and a half.
Speaker 10 (35:37):
Jonas and LeVar, you guys had the over.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Of course, Chicago won that game forty to twenty over
the Commanders passing touchdowns for Sam, how everybody took the over.
He did throw two passing in rushing yards for Justin
Fields was at two forty five and a half. Jonas,
you were the only one to take the over on
that one. Correctly, b bang Justin Fields. Turnovers in that
game was at a half. Brady and LeVar, you guys
correctly took the under. And then lastly LeVar Arrington Jersey
(36:02):
spotted at the game. We had it at a half. Joonas, LeVar,
you guys took the unders on that we could review
the tape. I've reviewed it once or twice since.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Oh I saw one, Oh yeah, I did, I did.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
I did screenshot it for every Brady, I'll give you
two points.
Speaker 6 (36:18):
Well, how am I an screenshot at now?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Lee?
Speaker 10 (36:20):
I don't know, tell me what it was.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But here's the thing is, we can't, Lee, we can't
do these anymore because we have to rely on you
being sober when you're watching these games, which is never
a good compelsation.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
I was a lamb game.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
I was sober as a bird.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, you don't get Once you have kids, you'll understand
those football games get erased off the DVR pretty quickly,
and Blewy episodes are just filled to the brim on
that bad that so much.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
It's the fact that Lee wants to me in the
next two minutes to you'll find that and take a
screenshot of it.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
We got all week.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
Maybe I'll find it for you.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
But Brady, well, we got to move on that retroactively
change it after who won guys?
Speaker 11 (37:00):
As always, LeVar wins for one, Jonas also four one,
Brady two three. The totals right now, I got ahead
of myself, but you're basically saying I'm winning overall overall.
You have a one point lead on Jonas, two point
lead on Brady, so we're all close here. We got
this week this week point total for the game in
(37:22):
week six, Thursday Night Football forty seven points over.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
Over over over. She shall get that alone.
Speaker 10 (37:33):
Asking touchdowns for Patrick Mahomes two and a.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Half over over, I'll take the.
Speaker 6 (37:40):
I'm gonna say, under, okay, are we counting.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That little flip play they do at the God I'm
taking tho. It's basically it's basically a long armed handoff.
I'm sick of that crap. I'll take the over.
Speaker 6 (37:52):
Then I'll take the over. I'll take the over, Okay.
Speaker 10 (37:56):
All overs. Fella's total turnovers for Russell Wilson one and.
Speaker 6 (38:00):
A half, one and a half.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
I'm gonna take the under. Yeah, you know only I'll
take the over. Mind being negative once or twice?
Speaker 11 (38:10):
Sure, you know, receiving yards for Travis Kelsey sixty six
and a half the under.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
I don't think it's I'll take the under as well,
all right, but then again, his girlfriend is going to
be there. I'm take the over. I'm gonna take the over.
Speaker 11 (38:29):
Well, speaking of that first cutaway to Taylor Swift after kickoff,
before or after the first commercial.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Break before before before, yeah, you gotta keep the audience
because by that time Kansas City will be up three touchdowns.
You got to keep the audience.
Speaker 6 (38:43):
So I speak like a true Bears fan, But what come.
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