October 29, 2021 • 40 mins
Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington recap the Packers win over the Cardinals on TNF and Arizona needs to use this as a wake-up call. Joel Klatt helps preview the weekend including #6 Michigan at #8 Michigan State on FOX and hints at an end to divisions in Power 5 Conferences coming soon. Plus, controversy over the Prop Bet Monster!
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on a Friday. You got some Packers fans who got
to be feeling some type of way this morning considering
how that game ended. Uh. Lead to the lap our producer,
he's a gigantic Packers fan. Uh, Lee, I gotta ask
you what we're your emotions kind of going through at
the end of that game. I mean, I know we'll
get to our prop at moster. We got some recap
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and do in that regard, but just take me through
your emotions through the final moments of that game. Uh,
up and down as you could imagine. I of course,
you know, I thought that was definitely a touchdown. I
can't believe they overturned the the Aaron Jones touchdown, and
that would have just solidified it. Of course, Sam Kinceled,
one of our other great Packers fans here jinxed it.
I was yelling at him through the Yeah, I was
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sam uh jinxed it, saying yeah, good day to be
a Packers fan, and I just started tearing into him. Um.
And then it's just one of those things. As uh
as a fan of the Packers, you knew the defense
was just going to be a sieve at sieve at
the end and uh, but by the end with that
interception bad, I was jumping up and down, head hitting
the ceiling. That was fantastic night. Uh. And you know,
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I think I had talked to you before the game,
how it was a game where expectations weren't uh on
our side, everything was against us. In fact, Aaron Rodgers
kind of go that that sentiment after the game. Check
this out. I was texting with some friends today and
I said, I love when the odds are stacked against us,
but like we kind of just takes all the pressure
off and we just relaxed and played really loose. So
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that's how I felt going into it again, so it was.
It was a great winner. Was kind of creepy man,
like I'm bang with him. I ain't gonna lie bang
with a rod, but a little creepy with the way
he'd be communicating sometimes mant catching me off guard a
little bit. Man. He loves being relaxed, like super relaxed,
like so relaxed, like overly relaxed, like relaxed, relaxed like relaxed,
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relaxed like like beyond that relaxed. I don't know picturing
into us. I don't want to relaxation. I don't want
to venture that far into relaxation. I I'm sorry, I
don't need it. You know. It's funny though, and LaVar
you touched on it in the first hour, just talking
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about their game plan, talking about how they went about,
you know, trying to find production offensively, because that was
really the strain they had their their top three wide
receivers out. We do about Davante Adams given the protocols
with COVID alban Lazard once he was put on the list,
he wasn't coming back off of it because of his
vaccination status. And then Marquez Valdez Scanling also ended up
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not playing in this one. So you're talking about their
top three wide receivers and yet a j Dillon, Aaron
Jones kind of thunder and lightning. They just pounded away
with the rushing attack. And then also the way it
went about targeting Aaron Jones and Robert Tony kind of
a change up there offensively, But hey, it got it
done right. Not only did it get it done, but
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you gotta believe that when you get those two receivers back,
you're you're now feeling way more confident about the idea
of how your playbook is going to operate moving forward.
The fact that you were able to knock off an
undefeated team and take all the circumstances in terms of,
you know, the way it ended. Uh, the fact that
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you were able to go and and get get the
w the way that you did. Um. It just to me,
I'm sure their confidence is flying really high right now.
If you're calling the plays and you're drawing up the
plays moving forward, I think I think you just feel
a level of belief that that we can we can
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get this done, we can game plan, and we can
do things with with the elements that we bring to
the table with the players that we have, and I
think that that also plays into the confidence that Aaron
Rodgers has right now, and and listen, I'll continue to
say it. I don't feel like this has been a
a A Swan songs Uh tour. It doesn't appear to
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be that. I don't buy it for two seconds. I
think Aaron Rodgers is playing for something more than to
get out of out of green Bay. And I'm gonna
just re resurface that because I know that's a conversation
you and I have have fiercely debated and shows bad.
I think that the green Bay Packers showed a whole
lot about what they're more can be by having less
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in that game last night. Well, so now you've got
green Bay Arizona with the same record at seven and one. However,
obviously green Bay holds the tiebreaker over the Cardinals. So really,
if you're thinking about the playoffs because we're eight games,
then we're not quite to the halfway point, because well
there is no halfway point anymore, right once we get
the nine games, they were past halfway, given that there's
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seventeen games in the regular season. But we're thinking about
the playoff picture, and I think the difference here is
besides Arizona being a game back, it's the fact that
Green Bay can win in a variety of ways like
this is just one of the examples of many that
we've seen where Aaron Rodgers has been able to lead
this team without his best wide receiver, you know, with
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something missing, and as you heard him say, he kind
of likes that. Right, expectations are low, everyone's relaxed. Odds
are stacked again them what do they have to lose?
And and even though you can make the case, will dude,
there's a lot to lose, right playoff seatings on the line.
Maybe Aaron Rodgers was part of the m v P
conversation which know not Gotti's stats last night four yards
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and two touchdowns, But when it's all said and done
and you take those those stats into account, he's playing
without a lot around him, and so you knew it
was gonna be hard for them to pass the football,
no against that that defense, but also without the weapons
that he didn't have on the outside. So you know,
kudos to him, kudos to them. But you know, in
talking about the contrast between these two teams of ore
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and going back to that Arizona conversation. Is that not
What kind of bothers you about the Cardinals is you
feel like they have to play like one style of
game or their style of game in order to win.
I think it's evolution. I think that they were the
better team. They just lost um and so to me,
I think that you just got to look at it.
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If I'm the Arizona Cardinals, what's our evolution? But as
you don't, you do not allow this to be a
game that sets you back. You do not allow this
to be a game that derails your season. You you
look at this game and you say, Okay, we're not
undefeated anymore. So there goes that pressure. Peel right, it's gone, like,
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get over it. You're not gonna be undefeated. You you
you went to a place where the league or the
team I should say, hasn't gone in and many many
many moons, and and you've been playing at a very
very high level. Learn from the loss and look at
the loss as one of those things that you know what,
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we made a mistake. We made some mistakes, some costly mistakes,
but in the end, we are still a really, really
good football team, and we're right where we need to be.
It's our first loss, like it could be our last
loss if we wanted to be so. I just think
that it's more about the evolution of things, and you
gotta make sure you're protecting your quarterback if he gets
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to a point of where he's running the ball too much.
We've seen him come up lame and and multiple seasons,
and when he's when he's under duress, when he gets
to to to running and peeling out, rolling out as
many times as he may need to do in a game.
They have to figure out how to maintain Kyler Murray
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so that he isn't putting himself in harm's way too
many times. And I think as long as he stays
healthy and this defense, um can play a little bit
better than what they did last night at you gotta
stop to run, Um, I think that this team will
be okay moving forward. Now. I don't know that this
is their year, Brady. I don't know that this is
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that one, but I think that they have to continue
to evolve and that has to speed up very quickly,
and they have to show that they are in contention
this year, not not just you know, not not for
the simple factor of just saying okay, they need to
win it all this year, So that's just I think
that's evolution. Piggybacking on on that. I do feel like
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they don't necessarily have to win it all this year,
but they do need to get to the playoffs, And
at seven wins, you'd have to say there's three more
wins get you in at this point in your mind.
If you're the Arizona Cardinals, I feel like that's safe
to say you're a wild card team. Maybe it's not
safe in a seventeen game season, And as you kind
of check out the rest of their season, it looks
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like they've got some wins there right Like they play
San Francisco, they'll I've extended rest, but they play San
Francisco in Week nine in San franc that's always a
tough game. We we've already seen that earlier this season,
and we'll see where they're out with the quarterback situation,
whether it's Garoppolo or maybe Trey Lances back healthy, then Carolina,
then at Seattle, then by the Chicago. I mean, they
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could legitimately get to that double digit wins by week
fourteen of the season, and they'd still have to go
a Week fifteen to play Detroit and they still finished
the season with Seattle. Now, mind you, Russell Wilson should
be back for both the week eleven a week A
team matchups versus Seattle. We'll see where that team is
at at that point. But my my point is this
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is they can't get in the tank. They can't all
of a sudden fall by the wayside and fall off
like they have in years past because they put themselves
in too good of a position now to let that
be the case. But that's my concern. Yeah, if they
start to let this snowball, because that's kind of been there,
r daddy, that's what we've seen in the past, right, Yeah,
And and and here's the thing, right when you're when
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you get into big games, what do we what's the
saying that always exists, big big time games call for
what big time players. DeAndre Hopkins touched the ball too,
caught the ball twice. You know, like to me, these
are things that they got to learn lessons on. You know,
you're a young coach in this league and you've done well,
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but you gotta learn from situations like being in a
game against Green Bay. DeAndre Hopkins cannot just touch the
ball two times, I don't know. You gotta force feed it.
It's like bodybuilding, right, Like if you're gonna get big,
you gotta eat and you're not gonna always be hungry,
but you gotta force that food down. You gotta get
the calorie intake that you need to get. You have
got to get the DeAndre intake that you need to
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get in order to grow that muscle and and grow
that that that production and grow those wins. You can't
have to two targets, well I don't. I think it
was more than two targets maybe, but you can't have
two touches by DeAndre Hopkins. So you gotta bring your
big guns to the game and games like that, and
what did what did Green Bay do? They brought their
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big guns to the game that they had, Right, Who
were your big game guns, Dylan and Jones? Right, they
were the catalyst of this team being able to win
the game. Why didn't Arizona do that? That would be
my question, and that's probably their question and they're gonna
have to address that moving forward. And that's evolution. Self scout.
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You should scout your team super well, you should scout
yourself even better. And that's what they're gonna have to
do if they're gonna continue to get better going forward.
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You know, it's interesting LaVar As we're talking about, you know,
the Arizona Cardinals and then maybe what could be. It
reminds me of like these divisional rivalries you'll get and
and you know Arizona is gonna enter into that once
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they moved past this week in a week not against
San Francisco and more of that divisional play. But it
also reminds me of like big brother, little brother. Did
you have brothers? I mean, and now are you the
big brother? You're in the middle, so you've got an
older brother, You've got a little brother. So you sit
there and you've kind of got that that that I
imagine when you were kids, did you guys beat up
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on each other at decent and he beat me up
and That's how it started working out. My my older
brother shots out the little Mike you got, big Mike
got Little Mike. Little Mike used to whoop my ass
all the time. He used to shop my ass. And
and sports, he used to whoop my ask. Literally physically
used to whoop my ass. And that's how I started
lifting weights. I started lifting weights at an early age,
not because I wanted to be great at sports, because
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I wanted to be able to whoop my brother's ass.
And that's how I started. That's how I started working out. Well,
that's where the toughest probably comes from, to like the
fierceness everything else. That moment came Brady at fourteen years old.
The moment came where he did he did something. We
were we were in our rooms. We shared a room
at one point in time, and he was clean. He
was a super clean dude. I was. I was a
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hider of my message. I didn't clean up the mess.
I hit them so I put you know, we were
tasked with cleaning our rooms. And if you clean your room,
you got allowance. Money. You go to the mall, get
you some shoes, get you you know, a little little
outfit whatever, and go to the to the arcade and
my brother, my brother put put me in position where, um,
I didn't get my my uh my allowance because my
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room was I hit my mess under my bid. And
when they examined the room, the room looked good. There's like,
all right, let's get ready to go. And then my
brother was like, no, I look under his bid and
my mom looked yeah. So then that was like, okay,
it's time. This was the time. Let's get it. You're
feeling that way. I'm feeling that way too, Let's do it.
A suplex team put his head through the wall. It
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got so bad my dad had to come break it up.
Big Mike had to jump in. Um. And and that's
the true story, Like shouts out to little Mike. You know,
I had to go ahead. But but that's after years
and years like that. I think I was fourteen years old.
That was years and years of getting thrashed by him,
um leading up to that. So yeah, there you go.
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So little brother fought back. And it's it's funny that
when you tell that story, because coming up next, we've
got Fox Sports college football analysts the Great Joel Class.
He'll be talking about the matchup between Michigan headed the Eastlantic.
Take it on, Michigan State. Yeah, that's right, Big Brother
headed to the House of Little Brother, A Top ten
match up the biggest in college football this weekend. That's
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all coming up on the other side of this break. Yeah,
be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Fox Sports college football analyst, a record setting quarterback for
the Boss in Colorado, also put a little minor league baseball.
He has some of the greatest stories you'll ever hear.
And LaVar more so than that, Joel Klatt hits bombs
off the t okay. If he wanted to, he could
be a long drive champion. He absolutely smokes the ball
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off the t box. But Joel, thanks so much for
taking the time to join us. Are you already in
mission in at this point, New Batman, I'm sitting here
in the hotel and ready to get this cranking. For
this game. Man, I haven't been this excited for a
game in a long time, like since the Penn State
Valual game. Well that one, Come on, come on this one.
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Here's the deal though, you know that there's there's something
just different about those games when there's like real vitriol
and hate. You know, the lines in this one are
just so blended and in this interstate rivalry. So this,
this one's gonna be a good one. I can't I
can't wait. I can't disagree. Where does Michigan Michigan State
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rank for you as far as in state rivers, shoal,
It's one of the best, and and all of them
are generally understated. I think the best interstate rivere is
is uh the Iron Pole Alabama auburn Um. That's just
right now. If you go back, it was Florida State
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a long time, you know, but right right now it's
been Alabama auburn Um. But man, this this one's up there.
There's some there's some really good ones. The Civil War
out there, Oregon, Oregon State, it's pretty good. Territorial Cup.
You've got Arizona, Arizona State. There's there's some good one cup.
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The Apple Cup is a good one. That's a that's
a good one. It doesn't have to have a title.
I mean, we play pitt you know, Pitt pen State.
You know, you see how isn't that the backyard brawl?
That's that's West Virginia And yeah, that's right, Yeah, you know,
it doesn't have to have a title. I think it
should have a title, though, right, I guess I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know, but I could see
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the excitement, and I'm excited for you being excited, Joel, Like,
what are the things to look for in this game?
Because somebody has to lose and that's going to be
a shake up not only for the national rankings in
in the playoff pitcher, but also for are the Big
ten and and how that you know shakes out. I
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have no idea why they put all the best teams
on one side of the Big Ten to have to
play um, but that's what they do. And and so
this is one of those instances where you're going to
see two, well four teams really that are going to
go hit to hit this weekend, but none being bigger
than this Michigan, this Battle of Michigan game. What what
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happens in the shakeup of of the wake up who
wins and who loses. Well, I think the team that
wins this game is likely going to be well, I guess,
depending but likely going to be right there on the
precipice of that fourth spot in the first playoff rankings.
So you know, the driver's seat that that team goes
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into is is going to be a a great advantage
moving into the back half of the season and into
November and the Big Ten. I think I do want
to touch on us real quick. The the division thing
is gonna go away like the Big Ten in short
order here and not shoot, I would say within two
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years probably is gonna be around robin style of schedule
and and division lists. Um, that's that they're going to
head towards that. I know that that's not like totally
public knowledge, but and I think more conferences are going
to go that direction as well. I think that the
Pact Dwell is going to do that. I wouldn't be
surprised if the SEC does that. Obviously, the SEC, once
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they get Oklahoma and Texas, they're gonna go towards towards
a pod system. Big twelve doesn't use divisions divisions are iniquated,
and they tried not to do this. They tried not
to have all the best teams on one side, but
it was the leaders and legends and no one knew
who was in what division, and everyone thought it was dumb.
So they scrapped it and just went east and west.
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Having said that, something to just pay attention for in
this game. The it's Michigan defense has been very good,
the second rank scoring defense in the country right now
eleventh and total defense, I believe, and they are stout
up front. They can get after the quarterback. They've been
decent in coverage against the past. There one achilles heel
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over the last couple of games is that they've been
giving up some big place they can. They can lose
guys in coverage, and that's one of the things that
Michigan State has been so good with is creating explosives.
There hasn't really been any team in the country that
has been on par with Michigan State in terms of
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creating big explosive plays. Give a lot of credit to
their quarterback Peyton Thorne. He understands how to throw in
rhythm um that rhythm allows him to get the ball
out down the field, he's accurate with it. And then
they've got two really good explosive players on the outside,
and Jalen Naylor and Jane Reid, and and they create
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a lot of problems. So that that's something that I'm
definitely gonna be watching for because in this type of
a game, when you've got fairly evenly matched teams, generally
it comes down to things like turnovers, obviously, but then explosives,
who's turning the field, who's creating a score from from
a non scoring territory, and and Michigan State at this
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point in the year seems to have the ability to
do that. Joe, I want to go back to something
you talked about in regards to the Big Ten Conference
and then doing away with divisions. You mentioned round robin. Now,
my understanding of a round round robin it is like
what the Big Twelve has now, where everybody plays everybody,
and then you take the top two teams to square
off the end of the championship game. I mean, obviously
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there's too many teams in the in the Big Ten
to do that, right, So where teams be leaving with
I mean, how that all take out? No, it would
it would be like more round robin style. I guess
it's got round robin the wrong word. It would be
more of a rotation. I believe the thing that the
system that they're they're talking about or or or settling
on is whether you have two teams that you always
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play or three teams that you always play, and then
everyone else would rotate, so you would rotate through the
league faster than you do now, having you know, with
the division format that they have now, um, I think
it should be that you have two teams that you
always play. So, for instance, they don't want to lose
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obviously Michigan Ohio States. You're not gonna rotate that game.
You don't we don't want to lose, right exactly Exactly,
you don't want to lose Michigan Michigan State either. So
you've got to have at least two constants that you're
always gonna play. Now, for Michigan, it's probably not going
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to be your two constants being Michigan State and Ohio State.
So there's some debate right now whether we're going to
have this interstate rivalry every single year. It's going to
be ye. There's a lot going on because for instance,
like Let's say Penn State, you want them to play
Ohio State every year? Well, is that fair for Ohio State?
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For their too constants to be Michigan and Penn State
the two other more you know, pre eminent brands in
the conference. So there's a lot being debated right now
about how many constants you're gonna have gone your schedule,
how the rotation works outside of that, But there is
consensus on doing away with divisions so that we can
get away from this model and put the two best
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teams record wise in the conference championship can moving forward.
It's a beautiful problem to have, and it's one thing
that I generally boast about being a big tenter is
that we have the best conference from top to bottom.
Let's let's look at the SEC and and when you
look at where things are right now, Georgia being so dominant,
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dominant on defense, how are we viewing the SEC right now?
When Alabama loses, everybody seems to lose their mind. And
then they stopped talking about Alabama as much because they
lost a game. But in reality, we know that they
have bounced back from one last seasons as well. But
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this is also a conference that is top heavy. I mean,
it's just that's just the reality of it. It is
a top heavy conference. So how should we be viewing,
you know, things that are taking place right now with
with the SEC. As it applies to the playoff, who
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do you see getting those bids? Will it be much
of the same where a lot of SEC teams get
the benefit of the doubt and end up being in
the playoff hunt or being in the playoff once it
once it gets selected. Yeah, I'm interested to see how
this version of the Committee reacts because I think that
we all know, having followed this, that every year the
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Committee first of all, has just a little bit of
a different makeup, and because of that, they view teams
and and emphasize certain things a little differently than than
previous years. Now, in general, LaVar, I think that the
SEC is probably just as strong at the top this
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year as the Big ten. It's just that the brands
are different. It's not L s U and Florida that
are making them strong this year. It's Old miss in
Kentucky they're making them strong this year. But but generally speaking,
the SEC, in particular with the media and the A people,
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they always are going to get the benefit of the doubt,
and I believe that they will continue to do so. So,
for instance, they've got the top undefeated team in the
country Georgia. They've got the top ranked one loss team
in Alabama. They've got the top ranked two loss team
in Texas A and M. And you've got those teams
over undefeated from other Power five conferences. So, for instance,
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Oklahoma's forward underfeed Alabama is three with one loss. You've
got Texas A and M at fourteen at six and two,
Oklahoma State, Baylor and pitt right behind them fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen at six and one. So they're always going to
get the benefit of the doubt. UM. And this year,
I think that it's just different when it comes to
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the brands that you're looking at. But make no mistake
about an old miss in Kentucky. You're having a great year,
but fantastic year. Um. It might not be quite the
Murderers row of one division having the four teams three
of them in the top ten, four of them in
the top twenty in the in the Big ten East,
but the SEC is pretty strong this year. Joe, can
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you give me your top four right now? I know,
I know the Playoff Committee rankings come out next week.
I'm curious. I'm curious to get yours as it currently
stands before this weekend of play we're any I it's
easy for me to identify the top three teams in
the country. UM, it's really difficult for me to start
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ranking them from four through nine. UM And and mine, unfortunately,
is a lot of eye tests. And I hate the
fact that I've got, you know, Oregon behind Ohio State.
But the way I see it right now, George is
the best team in the country. I've got Ohio State
to Alabama three, and I've gotten Michigan at at four.
With their balance, Oklahoma just scares the absolute but Jesus
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out of me because they played to their level of competition,
which means that down the stretch they're going to continue
to be in tough games, and they've got all their
toughest opponents really still become. They still have to play Baylor,
they still have to play Iowa State, who started to
play like we thought they were gonna play back in
the top now at five and two. UM. And so
that's why I've got Michigan or Michigan just ahead of Oklahoma.
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Joe Cincinnati. You didn't mention them in all of the names.
And I tell people all the time, it's a great story.
It's a great Cinderella story. You see Cinderella stories play
out in n c a A basketball, but that s
does not play out in n c a A football.
When they come against a team like if they're if
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they're good enough, which seems seemingly they should be able
to run the table if they get into the playoff,
is this a good thing or is this a bad thing?
Because we all know how this is going to play out.
Cinderella is gonna walk away with a black guy. Nobody
likes to see Cinderella get a black guy. So now
all of a sudden, somebody's in trouble and and and
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that's just me joking. But at the end of the day, Joel,
Cincinnati will get destroyed by one of those Power five
schools in the playoff. How does that play out in
terms of what that looks like moving forward For the
argument of schools like a Cincinnati that aren't Power five
schools being considered and being in the race in the
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rankings the way that they have been this year, Yeah,
it's a good question. Now, Now, first of all, you
have to I apologize to Cincinnati fans. I'm I'm not apologize.
The truth is the truth is the truth. You know,
you should apologize to Joel because, first off us because
you never gave us your top three into four by
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the way, I mean, still want to hear a top four,
I said, Georgio State, Alabama and Michigan. Michigan hasa no Oklahoma,
what's up with you on that? By the way, I
think Oklahoma, especially the way they look last you know,
last week, shouldn't be there. But go ahead. That's why.
That's why I moved him out, and I had moved
Cincinnati out from last week because I the reason I'm
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was apologizing was preemptively for what I was about to
do to them. I'm a big conference snob. Okay, sorry,
I'm anna elitist, you know. And and the reason is
is because you can't play that schedule and not absolutely
throttle it dominated because Navy is not very good. I'm sorry,
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And you can't just have two hundred seventy one yards
against Navy and think that you're a top four team.
I know that Jerome Ford is a good player. I
think Ritter is a good player. But in back to
back games, he's had less than two hundred yards passing um.
He threw an iron interception against Navy, He's got five
turnovers this year. It's just not a team that is
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inspiring me as far as dominating their opposition. And you
really need to do that when you're playing a schedule
like Cincinnati's versus what all these other schools are doing.
In particular in the month of November, it's basically a
free pass. They've got one tough game on their schedule remaining,
and we'll see if they can get past s m U. Now,
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you do have to give him a lot of credit
for going to South Bend and beating a good Notre
Dame team. I think that Notre Dame team is stronger
than most people give them credit for. They're sitting at
eleven right now, at six and one, and that that's
a good team. I loved what I saw against Wisconsin
earlier this year. But having said that, you know, this
is the problem with just having a four team playoff,
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because if they can get in, it's a charity case
because we don't really think that they're one of the
four best teams. I don't I don't think that the
committee would, but they would get one of those spots
just to go and likely get beat pretty handily, even
though that they played well against Georgia last year in
the ballgame. I just for me, this is Cincinnati is
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the prime example of why the playoff needs to grow.
Because here's where I would love to see Cincinnati in
a playoff at home, hosting an at large Michigan team
or an at large Old miss team. Then I could
I could see them potentially putting up a fight and
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and winning a game in like a first round of
a playoff. That's what's good about the n c A tournament.
We don't care if the Cinderella gets to the final four.
In fact, we don't really want it, right, this is
the whole myth about the n c A tournament. It's like, oh,
it's all about the Cinderella. Yeah, because we include one
million teams and so you want upsets in the first
couple of rounds, but you don't want him in the
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final four. Like I'm sorry, but like when George Mason
went to the final four, all of us are kind
of like, oh, this is kind of cute. Please please
don't let them be in the National championship game. I
think it was probably different with Butler because of that
great player who they have, that kid who was so
good it almost made the long and he was shot
away against the duke. But anyway, I get what I'm
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saying a little. What's his name with the Boston No
such the Kazaga last year? It was no. It's the
kid who um gosh, his name slipping in my mind
right now. He used to he was in Boston for
a minute, didn't really work out, and then he broke
it heard right, and it would come to be a
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fan Joel. Always appreciated man, can't wait to see you.
Excited for the matchup, excited for the game. You know
who else is probably excited? How excited is Guss for this?
When you guys had Michigan last week Michigan this week.
He's a Detroit guy. He's got to be fired up,
There's no doubt. I mean, I don't know who's more
fired up, him or Scottie. Right. Always appreciative man, the
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best in the business. Can't wait to see I can't
wait to hear your call. I have a good one, alright.
That's Joel cla Fox Sports college football analysts he'll be
on the call for number six Michigan headed to East
Lansing to take on the Spartans. Michigan State the only
top ten matchup of the week should be the game
of the week. But we're gonna take a break. We
(33:53):
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Welcome to the Club, LaVar. We've got some controversy on
Thursday football, and I'm not talking about the miscommunication between
Kyler Murray and A. J. Green that led to the
game ceiling interception by Rasul Douglas. No, I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about what we like to call
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the prop bet monster. Uh lead to lap our executive producer,
if you don't mind chiming in here and going through
our bets who won, who lost? And there's one that
maybe controversy that in regards to you, but nevertheless that's
not controversial. It's just technicalities, you know what I mean?
Like I believe in living in the world of technicalities
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because they can get you. They can get you well,
that is right. There is controversy and the prop bet monster.
In fact, he's going to decide who wins or loses
this real quick, real quick. Just to set the stage here,
we had asked who on the Green Bay Packers was
gonna lead the receiving yards for the day, Brady, you
had Robert Tony, but he was actually just short two
yards to Aaron Jones, who led with fifty one. So
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that went to uh other. He took no, he took
the other other. But but I do believe, hold on,
you can say no, no, no, no, I do believe.
I said that Aaron Jones is a receiving running back
that he will lean on in that game. I took
other based off you know what we hey, hey, hold on,
let me just say this. LaVar is right. He did
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specifically say in that one, even though you said other.
He said specifically Aaron. Now, and I love the fact
that you're working towards the technical What are you talking
about specifically? To right? You gotta right, you're right. I
know what you're doing, right, because I know what you're
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doing and we're gonna work on as soon as we
get there. Let's go all right. So secondly, we had
asked what would be mentioned first in the broadcast, Adams
or J. J. Watt, And first thing out of Joe
Buck's mouth was that Adams was out with the with COVID.
And lastly, the most controversial of them all, here we go,
who will have more rushing yards in the game? Would
it be Aaron Jones, Chase Edmunds, Kyler Murray or other?
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Brady took Aaron Jones. And then this is what LaVar
had to say, is James Connor out or in there? Well,
I'm going with other. I believe James Connor maybe a
guy who puts up some good yards, in fact, more
yards than anybody else in the game. I'm talking about.
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Hold on, Babe, Ruth, holda Ruth, hold on. What did
I say? My answer was j is coming that was there,
would have more than anybody else. Run it back, Bert
to run it back with running back. I'm taking what
run it back. I'm taking what LaVar is taking. Well,
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I'm going with others. Okay, stopping right there, stopping right there, son,
let run it. Well, you're gonna let it keep run
it there? You go. Well, you didn't call your shot
with Aaron Jones being okay, But here's the you can't
have your cake and eat it too. I am the
worst person to say that, saying too, because I always say,
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if I'm gonna have the cake, I'm not gonna look
at it. I'm gonna eat that bad boy too. So
here's the point. Here is the point. I said, Aaron
Rodger or Aaron Jones would be the leading receiver. Yes
you did? That was specific called your shot? That was
specific to an option? Correct? Or was that other as well?
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Know what, Let's let's do this. Let's do this, because
my answer is on one side, I'm on the other this.
We do have Lee, we have Berto, Eddie, we have
three vote. Let's give Eddie votes. Let's just have one.
Let's put it. We got Bertie, let them all vote,
Let them all vote. Berto is your guys, jonas is
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Because was so bullish Jones, I gotta say, this is
a push that he called James another neither one that
property I said other? I said what he said, James Conner, Eddie, Eddie,
what do you say, bitch? I heard him say, thank you, Eddie.
There's only one sensible person in the in the group.
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on a Friday. You got some Packers fans who got
to be feeling some type of way this morning considering
how that game ended. Uh. Lead to the lap our producer,
he's a gigantic Packers fan. Uh, Lee, I gotta ask
you what we're your emotions kind of going through at
the end of that game. I mean, I know we'll
get to our prop at moster. We got some recap
(01:05):
and do in that regard, but just take me through
your emotions through the final moments of that game. Uh,
up and down as you could imagine. I of course,
you know, I thought that was definitely a touchdown. I
can't believe they overturned the the Aaron Jones touchdown, and
that would have just solidified it. Of course, Sam Kinceled,
one of our other great Packers fans here jinxed it.
I was yelling at him through the Yeah, I was
(01:27):
sam uh jinxed it, saying yeah, good day to be
a Packers fan, and I just started tearing into him. Um.
And then it's just one of those things. As uh
as a fan of the Packers, you knew the defense
was just going to be a sieve at sieve at
the end and uh, but by the end with that
interception bad, I was jumping up and down, head hitting
the ceiling. That was fantastic night. Uh. And you know,
(01:51):
I think I had talked to you before the game,
how it was a game where expectations weren't uh on
our side, everything was against us. In fact, Aaron Rodgers
kind of go that that sentiment after the game. Check
this out. I was texting with some friends today and
I said, I love when the odds are stacked against us,
but like we kind of just takes all the pressure
off and we just relaxed and played really loose. So
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that's how I felt going into it again, so it was.
It was a great winner. Was kind of creepy man,
like I'm bang with him. I ain't gonna lie bang
with a rod, but a little creepy with the way
he'd be communicating sometimes mant catching me off guard a
little bit. Man. He loves being relaxed, like super relaxed,
like so relaxed, like overly relaxed, like relaxed, relaxed like relaxed,
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relaxed like like beyond that relaxed. I don't know picturing
into us. I don't want to relaxation. I don't want
to venture that far into relaxation. I I'm sorry, I
don't need it. You know. It's funny though, and LaVar
you touched on it in the first hour, just talking
(03:00):
about their game plan, talking about how they went about,
you know, trying to find production offensively, because that was
really the strain they had their their top three wide
receivers out. We do about Davante Adams given the protocols
with COVID alban Lazard once he was put on the list,
he wasn't coming back off of it because of his
vaccination status. And then Marquez Valdez Scanling also ended up
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not playing in this one. So you're talking about their
top three wide receivers and yet a j Dillon, Aaron
Jones kind of thunder and lightning. They just pounded away
with the rushing attack. And then also the way it
went about targeting Aaron Jones and Robert Tony kind of
a change up there offensively, But hey, it got it
done right. Not only did it get it done, but
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you gotta believe that when you get those two receivers back,
you're you're now feeling way more confident about the idea
of how your playbook is going to operate moving forward.
The fact that you were able to knock off an
undefeated team and take all the circumstances in terms of,
you know, the way it ended. Uh, the fact that
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you were able to go and and get get the
w the way that you did. Um. It just to me,
I'm sure their confidence is flying really high right now.
If you're calling the plays and you're drawing up the
plays moving forward, I think I think you just feel
a level of belief that that we can we can
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get this done, we can game plan, and we can
do things with with the elements that we bring to
the table with the players that we have, and I
think that that also plays into the confidence that Aaron
Rodgers has right now, and and listen, I'll continue to
say it. I don't feel like this has been a
a A Swan songs Uh tour. It doesn't appear to
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be that. I don't buy it for two seconds. I
think Aaron Rodgers is playing for something more than to
get out of out of green Bay. And I'm gonna
just re resurface that because I know that's a conversation
you and I have have fiercely debated and shows bad.
I think that the green Bay Packers showed a whole
lot about what they're more can be by having less
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in that game last night. Well, so now you've got
green Bay Arizona with the same record at seven and one. However,
obviously green Bay holds the tiebreaker over the Cardinals. So really,
if you're thinking about the playoffs because we're eight games,
then we're not quite to the halfway point, because well
there is no halfway point anymore, right once we get
the nine games, they were past halfway, given that there's
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seventeen games in the regular season. But we're thinking about
the playoff picture, and I think the difference here is
besides Arizona being a game back, it's the fact that
Green Bay can win in a variety of ways like
this is just one of the examples of many that
we've seen where Aaron Rodgers has been able to lead
this team without his best wide receiver, you know, with
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something missing, and as you heard him say, he kind
of likes that. Right, expectations are low, everyone's relaxed. Odds
are stacked again them what do they have to lose?
And and even though you can make the case, will dude,
there's a lot to lose, right playoff seatings on the line.
Maybe Aaron Rodgers was part of the m v P
conversation which know not Gotti's stats last night four yards
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and two touchdowns, But when it's all said and done
and you take those those stats into account, he's playing
without a lot around him, and so you knew it
was gonna be hard for them to pass the football,
no against that that defense, but also without the weapons
that he didn't have on the outside. So you know,
kudos to him, kudos to them. But you know, in
talking about the contrast between these two teams of ore
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and going back to that Arizona conversation. Is that not
What kind of bothers you about the Cardinals is you
feel like they have to play like one style of
game or their style of game in order to win.
I think it's evolution. I think that they were the
better team. They just lost um and so to me,
I think that you just got to look at it.
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If I'm the Arizona Cardinals, what's our evolution? But as
you don't, you do not allow this to be a
game that sets you back. You do not allow this
to be a game that derails your season. You you
look at this game and you say, Okay, we're not
undefeated anymore. So there goes that pressure. Peel right, it's gone, like,
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get over it. You're not gonna be undefeated. You you
you went to a place where the league or the
team I should say, hasn't gone in and many many
many moons, and and you've been playing at a very
very high level. Learn from the loss and look at
the loss as one of those things that you know what,
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we made a mistake. We made some mistakes, some costly mistakes,
but in the end, we are still a really, really
good football team, and we're right where we need to be.
It's our first loss, like it could be our last
loss if we wanted to be so. I just think
that it's more about the evolution of things, and you
gotta make sure you're protecting your quarterback if he gets
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to a point of where he's running the ball too much.
We've seen him come up lame and and multiple seasons,
and when he's when he's under duress, when he gets
to to to running and peeling out, rolling out as
many times as he may need to do in a game.
They have to figure out how to maintain Kyler Murray
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so that he isn't putting himself in harm's way too
many times. And I think as long as he stays
healthy and this defense, um can play a little bit
better than what they did last night at you gotta
stop to run, Um, I think that this team will
be okay moving forward. Now. I don't know that this
is their year, Brady. I don't know that this is
(08:40):
that one, but I think that they have to continue
to evolve and that has to speed up very quickly,
and they have to show that they are in contention
this year, not not just you know, not not for
the simple factor of just saying okay, they need to
win it all this year, So that's just I think
that's evolution. Piggybacking on on that. I do feel like
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they don't necessarily have to win it all this year,
but they do need to get to the playoffs, And
at seven wins, you'd have to say there's three more
wins get you in at this point in your mind.
If you're the Arizona Cardinals, I feel like that's safe
to say you're a wild card team. Maybe it's not
safe in a seventeen game season, And as you kind
of check out the rest of their season, it looks
(09:22):
like they've got some wins there right Like they play
San Francisco, they'll I've extended rest, but they play San
Francisco in Week nine in San franc that's always a
tough game. We we've already seen that earlier this season,
and we'll see where they're out with the quarterback situation,
whether it's Garoppolo or maybe Trey Lances back healthy, then Carolina,
then at Seattle, then by the Chicago. I mean, they
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could legitimately get to that double digit wins by week
fourteen of the season, and they'd still have to go
a Week fifteen to play Detroit and they still finished
the season with Seattle. Now, mind you, Russell Wilson should
be back for both the week eleven a week A
team matchups versus Seattle. We'll see where that team is
at at that point. But my my point is this
(10:04):
is they can't get in the tank. They can't all
of a sudden fall by the wayside and fall off
like they have in years past because they put themselves
in too good of a position now to let that
be the case. But that's my concern. Yeah, if they
start to let this snowball, because that's kind of been there,
r daddy, that's what we've seen in the past, right, Yeah,
And and and here's the thing, right when you're when
(10:25):
you get into big games, what do we what's the
saying that always exists, big big time games call for
what big time players. DeAndre Hopkins touched the ball too,
caught the ball twice. You know, like to me, these
are things that they got to learn lessons on. You know,
you're a young coach in this league and you've done well,
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but you gotta learn from situations like being in a
game against Green Bay. DeAndre Hopkins cannot just touch the
ball two times, I don't know. You gotta force feed it.
It's like bodybuilding, right, Like if you're gonna get big,
you gotta eat and you're not gonna always be hungry,
but you gotta force that food down. You gotta get
the calorie intake that you need to get. You have
got to get the DeAndre intake that you need to
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get in order to grow that muscle and and grow
that that that production and grow those wins. You can't
have to two targets, well I don't. I think it
was more than two targets maybe, but you can't have
two touches by DeAndre Hopkins. So you gotta bring your
big guns to the game and games like that, and
what did what did Green Bay do? They brought their
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big guns to the game that they had, Right, Who
were your big game guns, Dylan and Jones? Right, they
were the catalyst of this team being able to win
the game. Why didn't Arizona do that? That would be
my question, and that's probably their question and they're gonna
have to address that moving forward. And that's evolution. Self scout.
(11:51):
You should scout your team super well, you should scout
yourself even better. And that's what they're gonna have to
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You know, it's interesting LaVar As we're talking about, you know,
the Arizona Cardinals and then maybe what could be. It
reminds me of like these divisional rivalries you'll get and
and you know Arizona is gonna enter into that once
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they moved past this week in a week not against
San Francisco and more of that divisional play. But it
also reminds me of like big brother, little brother. Did
you have brothers? I mean, and now are you the
big brother? You're in the middle, so you've got an
older brother, You've got a little brother. So you sit
there and you've kind of got that that that I
imagine when you were kids, did you guys beat up
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on each other at decent and he beat me up
and That's how it started working out. My my older
brother shots out the little Mike you got, big Mike
got Little Mike. Little Mike used to whoop my ass
all the time. He used to shop my ass. And
and sports, he used to whoop my ask. Literally physically
used to whoop my ass. And that's how I started
lifting weights. I started lifting weights at an early age,
not because I wanted to be great at sports, because
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I wanted to be able to whoop my brother's ass.
And that's how I started. That's how I started working out. Well,
that's where the toughest probably comes from, to like the
fierceness everything else. That moment came Brady at fourteen years old.
The moment came where he did he did something. We
were we were in our rooms. We shared a room
at one point in time, and he was clean. He
was a super clean dude. I was. I was a
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hider of my message. I didn't clean up the mess.
I hit them so I put you know, we were
tasked with cleaning our rooms. And if you clean your room,
you got allowance. Money. You go to the mall, get
you some shoes, get you you know, a little little
outfit whatever, and go to the to the arcade and
my brother, my brother put put me in position where, um,
I didn't get my my uh my allowance because my
(14:00):
room was I hit my mess under my bid. And
when they examined the room, the room looked good. There's like,
all right, let's get ready to go. And then my
brother was like, no, I look under his bid and
my mom looked yeah. So then that was like, okay,
it's time. This was the time. Let's get it. You're
feeling that way. I'm feeling that way too, Let's do it.
A suplex team put his head through the wall. It
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got so bad my dad had to come break it up.
Big Mike had to jump in. Um. And and that's
the true story, Like shouts out to little Mike. You know,
I had to go ahead. But but that's after years
and years like that. I think I was fourteen years old.
That was years and years of getting thrashed by him,
um leading up to that. So yeah, there you go.
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So little brother fought back. And it's it's funny that
when you tell that story, because coming up next, we've
got Fox Sports college football analysts the Great Joel Class.
He'll be talking about the matchup between Michigan headed the Eastlantic.
Take it on, Michigan State. Yeah, that's right, Big Brother
headed to the House of Little Brother, A Top ten
match up the biggest in college football this weekend. That's
(15:07):
all coming up on the other side of this break. Yeah,
be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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(15:29):
Fox Sports college football analyst, a record setting quarterback for
the Boss in Colorado, also put a little minor league baseball.
He has some of the greatest stories you'll ever hear.
And LaVar more so than that, Joel Klatt hits bombs
off the t okay. If he wanted to, he could
be a long drive champion. He absolutely smokes the ball
(15:54):
off the t box. But Joel, thanks so much for
taking the time to join us. Are you already in
mission in at this point, New Batman, I'm sitting here
in the hotel and ready to get this cranking. For
this game. Man, I haven't been this excited for a
game in a long time, like since the Penn State
Valual game. Well that one, Come on, come on this one.
(16:16):
Here's the deal though, you know that there's there's something
just different about those games when there's like real vitriol
and hate. You know, the lines in this one are
just so blended and in this interstate rivalry. So this,
this one's gonna be a good one. I can't I
can't wait. I can't disagree. Where does Michigan Michigan State
(16:37):
rank for you as far as in state rivers, shoal,
It's one of the best, and and all of them
are generally understated. I think the best interstate rivere is
is uh the Iron Pole Alabama auburn Um. That's just
right now. If you go back, it was Florida State
(16:59):
a long time, you know, but right right now it's
been Alabama auburn Um. But man, this this one's up there.
There's some there's some really good ones. The Civil War
out there, Oregon, Oregon State, it's pretty good. Territorial Cup.
You've got Arizona, Arizona State. There's there's some good one cup.
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The Apple Cup is a good one. That's a that's
a good one. It doesn't have to have a title.
I mean, we play pitt you know, Pitt pen State.
You know, you see how isn't that the backyard brawl?
That's that's West Virginia And yeah, that's right, Yeah, you know,
it doesn't have to have a title. I think it
should have a title, though, right, I guess I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know, but I could see
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the excitement, and I'm excited for you being excited, Joel, Like,
what are the things to look for in this game?
Because somebody has to lose and that's going to be
a shake up not only for the national rankings in
in the playoff pitcher, but also for are the Big
ten and and how that you know shakes out. I
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have no idea why they put all the best teams
on one side of the Big Ten to have to
play um, but that's what they do. And and so
this is one of those instances where you're going to
see two, well four teams really that are going to
go hit to hit this weekend, but none being bigger
than this Michigan, this Battle of Michigan game. What what
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happens in the shakeup of of the wake up who
wins and who loses. Well, I think the team that
wins this game is likely going to be well, I guess,
depending but likely going to be right there on the
precipice of that fourth spot in the first playoff rankings.
So you know, the driver's seat that that team goes
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into is is going to be a a great advantage
moving into the back half of the season and into
November and the Big Ten. I think I do want
to touch on us real quick. The the division thing
is gonna go away like the Big Ten in short
order here and not shoot, I would say within two
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years probably is gonna be around robin style of schedule
and and division lists. Um, that's that they're going to
head towards that. I know that that's not like totally
public knowledge, but and I think more conferences are going
to go that direction as well. I think that the
Pact Dwell is going to do that. I wouldn't be
surprised if the SEC does that. Obviously, the SEC, once
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they get Oklahoma and Texas, they're gonna go towards towards
a pod system. Big twelve doesn't use divisions divisions are iniquated,
and they tried not to do this. They tried not
to have all the best teams on one side, but
it was the leaders and legends and no one knew
who was in what division, and everyone thought it was dumb.
So they scrapped it and just went east and west.
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Having said that, something to just pay attention for in
this game. The it's Michigan defense has been very good,
the second rank scoring defense in the country right now
eleventh and total defense, I believe, and they are stout
up front. They can get after the quarterback. They've been
decent in coverage against the past. There one achilles heel
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over the last couple of games is that they've been
giving up some big place they can. They can lose
guys in coverage, and that's one of the things that
Michigan State has been so good with is creating explosives.
There hasn't really been any team in the country that
has been on par with Michigan State in terms of
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creating big explosive plays. Give a lot of credit to
their quarterback Peyton Thorne. He understands how to throw in
rhythm um that rhythm allows him to get the ball
out down the field, he's accurate with it. And then
they've got two really good explosive players on the outside,
and Jalen Naylor and Jane Reid, and and they create
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a lot of problems. So that that's something that I'm
definitely gonna be watching for because in this type of
a game, when you've got fairly evenly matched teams, generally
it comes down to things like turnovers, obviously, but then explosives,
who's turning the field, who's creating a score from from
a non scoring territory, and and Michigan State at this
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point in the year seems to have the ability to
do that. Joe, I want to go back to something
you talked about in regards to the Big Ten Conference
and then doing away with divisions. You mentioned round robin. Now,
my understanding of a round round robin it is like
what the Big Twelve has now, where everybody plays everybody,
and then you take the top two teams to square
off the end of the championship game. I mean, obviously
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there's too many teams in the in the Big Ten
to do that, right, So where teams be leaving with
I mean, how that all take out? No, it would
it would be like more round robin style. I guess
it's got round robin the wrong word. It would be
more of a rotation. I believe the thing that the
system that they're they're talking about or or or settling
on is whether you have two teams that you always
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play or three teams that you always play, and then
everyone else would rotate, so you would rotate through the
league faster than you do now, having you know, with
the division format that they have now, um, I think
it should be that you have two teams that you
always play. So, for instance, they don't want to lose
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obviously Michigan Ohio States. You're not gonna rotate that game.
You don't we don't want to lose, right exactly Exactly,
you don't want to lose Michigan Michigan State either. So
you've got to have at least two constants that you're
always gonna play. Now, for Michigan, it's probably not going
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to be your two constants being Michigan State and Ohio State.
So there's some debate right now whether we're going to
have this interstate rivalry every single year. It's going to
be ye. There's a lot going on because for instance,
like Let's say Penn State, you want them to play
Ohio State every year? Well, is that fair for Ohio State?
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For their too constants to be Michigan and Penn State
the two other more you know, pre eminent brands in
the conference. So there's a lot being debated right now
about how many constants you're gonna have gone your schedule,
how the rotation works outside of that, But there is
consensus on doing away with divisions so that we can
get away from this model and put the two best
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teams record wise in the conference championship can moving forward.
It's a beautiful problem to have, and it's one thing
that I generally boast about being a big tenter is
that we have the best conference from top to bottom.
Let's let's look at the SEC and and when you
look at where things are right now, Georgia being so dominant,
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dominant on defense, how are we viewing the SEC right now?
When Alabama loses, everybody seems to lose their mind. And
then they stopped talking about Alabama as much because they
lost a game. But in reality, we know that they
have bounced back from one last seasons as well. But
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this is also a conference that is top heavy. I mean,
it's just that's just the reality of it. It is
a top heavy conference. So how should we be viewing,
you know, things that are taking place right now with
with the SEC. As it applies to the playoff, who
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do you see getting those bids? Will it be much
of the same where a lot of SEC teams get
the benefit of the doubt and end up being in
the playoff hunt or being in the playoff once it
once it gets selected. Yeah, I'm interested to see how
this version of the Committee reacts because I think that
we all know, having followed this, that every year the
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Committee first of all, has just a little bit of
a different makeup, and because of that, they view teams
and and emphasize certain things a little differently than than
previous years. Now, in general, LaVar, I think that the
SEC is probably just as strong at the top this
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year as the Big ten. It's just that the brands
are different. It's not L s U and Florida that
are making them strong this year. It's Old miss in
Kentucky they're making them strong this year. But but generally speaking,
the SEC, in particular with the media and the A people,
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they always are going to get the benefit of the doubt,
and I believe that they will continue to do so. So,
for instance, they've got the top undefeated team in the
country Georgia. They've got the top ranked one loss team
in Alabama. They've got the top ranked two loss team
in Texas A and M. And you've got those teams
over undefeated from other Power five conferences. So, for instance,
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Oklahoma's forward underfeed Alabama is three with one loss. You've
got Texas A and M at fourteen at six and two,
Oklahoma State, Baylor and pitt right behind them fifteen, sixteen,
seventeen at six and one. So they're always going to
get the benefit of the doubt. UM. And this year,
I think that it's just different when it comes to
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the brands that you're looking at. But make no mistake
about an old miss in Kentucky. You're having a great year,
but fantastic year. Um. It might not be quite the
Murderers row of one division having the four teams three
of them in the top ten, four of them in
the top twenty in the in the Big ten East,
but the SEC is pretty strong this year. Joe, can
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you give me your top four right now? I know,
I know the Playoff Committee rankings come out next week.
I'm curious. I'm curious to get yours as it currently
stands before this weekend of play we're any I it's
easy for me to identify the top three teams in
the country. UM, it's really difficult for me to start
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ranking them from four through nine. UM And and mine, unfortunately,
is a lot of eye tests. And I hate the
fact that I've got, you know, Oregon behind Ohio State.
But the way I see it right now, George is
the best team in the country. I've got Ohio State
to Alabama three, and I've gotten Michigan at at four.
With their balance, Oklahoma just scares the absolute but Jesus
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out of me because they played to their level of competition,
which means that down the stretch they're going to continue
to be in tough games, and they've got all their
toughest opponents really still become. They still have to play Baylor,
they still have to play Iowa State, who started to
play like we thought they were gonna play back in
the top now at five and two. UM. And so
that's why I've got Michigan or Michigan just ahead of Oklahoma.
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Joe Cincinnati. You didn't mention them in all of the names.
And I tell people all the time, it's a great story.
It's a great Cinderella story. You see Cinderella stories play
out in n c a A basketball, but that s
does not play out in n c a A football.
When they come against a team like if they're if
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they're good enough, which seems seemingly they should be able
to run the table if they get into the playoff,
is this a good thing or is this a bad thing?
Because we all know how this is going to play out.
Cinderella is gonna walk away with a black guy. Nobody
likes to see Cinderella get a black guy. So now
all of a sudden, somebody's in trouble and and and
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that's just me joking. But at the end of the day, Joel,
Cincinnati will get destroyed by one of those Power five
schools in the playoff. How does that play out in
terms of what that looks like moving forward For the
argument of schools like a Cincinnati that aren't Power five
schools being considered and being in the race in the
(29:00):
rankings the way that they have been this year, Yeah,
it's a good question. Now, Now, first of all, you
have to I apologize to Cincinnati fans. I'm I'm not apologize.
The truth is the truth is the truth. You know,
you should apologize to Joel because, first off us because
you never gave us your top three into four by
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the way, I mean, still want to hear a top four,
I said, Georgio State, Alabama and Michigan. Michigan hasa no Oklahoma,
what's up with you on that? By the way, I
think Oklahoma, especially the way they look last you know,
last week, shouldn't be there. But go ahead. That's why.
That's why I moved him out, and I had moved
Cincinnati out from last week because I the reason I'm
(29:45):
was apologizing was preemptively for what I was about to
do to them. I'm a big conference snob. Okay, sorry,
I'm anna elitist, you know. And and the reason is
is because you can't play that schedule and not absolutely
throttle it dominated because Navy is not very good. I'm sorry,
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And you can't just have two hundred seventy one yards
against Navy and think that you're a top four team.
I know that Jerome Ford is a good player. I
think Ritter is a good player. But in back to
back games, he's had less than two hundred yards passing um.
He threw an iron interception against Navy, He's got five
turnovers this year. It's just not a team that is
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inspiring me as far as dominating their opposition. And you
really need to do that when you're playing a schedule
like Cincinnati's versus what all these other schools are doing.
In particular in the month of November, it's basically a
free pass. They've got one tough game on their schedule remaining,
and we'll see if they can get past s m U. Now,
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you do have to give him a lot of credit
for going to South Bend and beating a good Notre
Dame team. I think that Notre Dame team is stronger
than most people give them credit for. They're sitting at
eleven right now, at six and one, and that that's
a good team. I loved what I saw against Wisconsin
earlier this year. But having said that, you know, this
is the problem with just having a four team playoff,
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because if they can get in, it's a charity case
because we don't really think that they're one of the
four best teams. I don't I don't think that the
committee would, but they would get one of those spots
just to go and likely get beat pretty handily, even
though that they played well against Georgia last year in
the ballgame. I just for me, this is Cincinnati is
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the prime example of why the playoff needs to grow.
Because here's where I would love to see Cincinnati in
a playoff at home, hosting an at large Michigan team
or an at large Old miss team. Then I could
I could see them potentially putting up a fight and
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and winning a game in like a first round of
a playoff. That's what's good about the n c A tournament.
We don't care if the Cinderella gets to the final four.
In fact, we don't really want it, right, this is
the whole myth about the n c A tournament. It's like, oh,
it's all about the Cinderella. Yeah, because we include one
million teams and so you want upsets in the first
couple of rounds, but you don't want him in the
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final four. Like I'm sorry, but like when George Mason
went to the final four, all of us are kind
of like, oh, this is kind of cute. Please please
don't let them be in the National championship game. I
think it was probably different with Butler because of that
great player who they have, that kid who was so
good it almost made the long and he was shot
away against the duke. But anyway, I get what I'm
(32:38):
saying a little. What's his name with the Boston No
such the Kazaga last year? It was no. It's the
kid who um gosh, his name slipping in my mind
right now. He used to he was in Boston for
a minute, didn't really work out, and then he broke
it heard right, and it would come to be a
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fan Joel. Always appreciated man, can't wait to see you.
Excited for the matchup, excited for the game. You know
who else is probably excited? How excited is Guss for this?
When you guys had Michigan last week Michigan this week.
He's a Detroit guy. He's got to be fired up,
There's no doubt. I mean, I don't know who's more
fired up, him or Scottie. Right. Always appreciative man, the
(33:31):
best in the business. Can't wait to see I can't
wait to hear your call. I have a good one, alright.
That's Joel cla Fox Sports college football analysts he'll be
on the call for number six Michigan headed to East
Lansing to take on the Spartans. Michigan State the only
top ten matchup of the week should be the game
of the week. But we're gonna take a break. We
(33:53):
come back. We got some business to to take care of. Okay,
we had there's the night football game, which usually a
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Welcome to the Club, LaVar. We've got some controversy on
Thursday football, and I'm not talking about the miscommunication between
Kyler Murray and A. J. Green that led to the
game ceiling interception by Rasul Douglas. No, I'm not talking
about that. I'm talking about what we like to call
(35:38):
the prop bet monster. Uh lead to lap our executive producer,
if you don't mind chiming in here and going through
our bets who won, who lost? And there's one that
maybe controversy that in regards to you, but nevertheless that's
not controversial. It's just technicalities, you know what I mean?
Like I believe in living in the world of technicalities
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because they can get you. They can get you well,
that is right. There is controversy and the prop bet monster.
In fact, he's going to decide who wins or loses
this real quick, real quick. Just to set the stage here,
we had asked who on the Green Bay Packers was
gonna lead the receiving yards for the day, Brady, you
had Robert Tony, but he was actually just short two
yards to Aaron Jones, who led with fifty one. So
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that went to uh other. He took no, he took
the other other. But but I do believe, hold on,
you can say no, no, no, no, I do believe.
I said that Aaron Jones is a receiving running back
that he will lean on in that game. I took
other based off you know what we hey, hey, hold on,
let me just say this. LaVar is right. He did
(36:46):
specifically say in that one, even though you said other.
He said specifically Aaron. Now, and I love the fact
that you're working towards the technical What are you talking
about specifically? To right? You gotta right, you're right. I
know what you're doing, right, because I know what you're
(37:06):
doing and we're gonna work on as soon as we
get there. Let's go all right. So secondly, we had
asked what would be mentioned first in the broadcast, Adams
or J. J. Watt, And first thing out of Joe
Buck's mouth was that Adams was out with the with COVID.
And lastly, the most controversial of them all, here we go,
who will have more rushing yards in the game? Would
it be Aaron Jones, Chase Edmunds, Kyler Murray or other?
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Brady took Aaron Jones. And then this is what LaVar
had to say, is James Connor out or in there? Well,
I'm going with other. I believe James Connor maybe a
guy who puts up some good yards, in fact, more
yards than anybody else in the game. I'm talking about.
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Hold on, Babe, Ruth, holda Ruth, hold on. What did
I say? My answer was j is coming that was there,
would have more than anybody else. Run it back, Bert
to run it back with running back. I'm taking what
run it back. I'm taking what LaVar is taking. Well,
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I'm going with others. Okay, stopping right there, stopping right there, son,
let run it. Well, you're gonna let it keep run
it there? You go. Well, you didn't call your shot
with Aaron Jones being okay, But here's the you can't
have your cake and eat it too. I am the
worst person to say that, saying too, because I always say,
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if I'm gonna have the cake, I'm not gonna look
at it. I'm gonna eat that bad boy too. So
here's the point. Here is the point. I said, Aaron
Rodger or Aaron Jones would be the leading receiver. Yes
you did? That was specific called your shot? That was
specific to an option? Correct? Or was that other as well?
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Know what, Let's let's do this. Let's do this, because
my answer is on one side, I'm on the other this.
We do have Lee, we have Berto, Eddie, we have
three vote. Let's give Eddie votes. Let's just have one.
Let's put it. We got Bertie, let them all vote,
Let them all vote. Berto is your guys, jonas is
(39:23):
Because was so bullish Jones, I gotta say, this is
a push that he called James another neither one that
property I said other? I said what he said, James Conner, Eddie, Eddie,
what do you say, bitch? I heard him say, thank you, Eddie.
There's only one sensible person in the in the group.
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