November 9, 2021 • 40 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar breakdown the rumors that there's a rift between Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch in San Francisco. Cassius Marsh gets called up from the practice squad before MNF, only to get blamed for the Bears loss to the Steelers and Brady tells you who to blame for the mess in Las Vegas between Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock.
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Thanks for making us a part of your Tuesday morning.
We got Brady Quinn, We got sticks in Pennsylvania. Now,
did you get a harass? When you got to the
airport or people you know, kind of all wanting pictures
with the great LaVar Arrington now that you're back home
or what what's going on? That's State College Pittsburgh. Sorry,
and it really is very very Um that's overstated. I
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mean people were like, I know who you are. That's
all I get. That's really generally all I get, which
is pretty cool, you know what I mean. Like they'll
they'll walk by, people walk by, the stare at you. Um,
and I'll get generally every once in a while I
do a selfie or whatever with people, but I get,
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I know who you are. Yeah, like, all right, who
am I? They go, Samuel Jackson, what's in your wallety?
Uh do I'll listen. Uh it's you know, we're happy
to have you and uh we know. Um obviously you
got home safe and sound yesterday. Um well I got here.
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Well yeah this is home. Well you're right now, just
you said it, right, Yeah, that's right. This is a
stick city. Stick city is a place. But you know,
stick city doesn't exist just mp A. You know, there
was a stick city in in Auburn, you know, with
Carlos Dansby, there was a stick City in Texas with
Derek Derek Williams. I mean there there was some sticks
cities in different places, So I meant, and you made
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it home from the studio yesterday without incident, you know,
because it was getting a little dicey there. You know
that triple mocha shot bro unbelievable. It is. It is
one of the I mean, listen, that mixture is phenomenal.
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I just can't do chocolate and LaVar is not. It's
not a mix. Yeah, that was you saying bolt running
through you at by the time the show concluded. But listen,
we're all here. They thought I was. I opened up
the door to kids, was like, what dance is that? Dad?
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And I was like, that's the that's to get to
the potty room dance. Oh man, we'll talk to you
in a minute. We've all been there, all right. So
with that being sad, let's get into it. From one
seat to another hot seat. I saw what you did
right there. That was an amazing transition broadcast professional here
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some which was amazing. You know. It's both seats. Both
seats are interesting seats. While one is for alleviating and relieving,
the other is quite irritable. And irritant and very uncomfortable. Yeah,
and uh, and this uncomfortable seat belongs to none other
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than Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh.
The forty Niners, by the way, who have lost four
of five. Excuse me, they've lost five of six now. Uh.
The Niners are sitting at three and five on the season,
and they lost on Sunday seventeen to the Arizona Cardinals
and Colt McCoy. There was no uh No Kyler Murray.
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Colt McCoy came in, played pretty well, it gets the win,
and afterwards Kyle Shanna and spoke about the situation. We
don't play very well today at all. That was real disappointed.
I thought we'd played really well. I thought we'd even
improved from the week Priorum, but obviously in Glota was
extremely disappointing. Um. I don't think we tackled very well. UM.
I didn't think we had eleven guys form into the
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ball enough. I think we made it pretty easy on
those guests. How I'm not saying Kyle Shannon is gonna
get acted at the end of the season, but are
we starting to see that maybe there's something more wrong
with the forty Niners than just Jimmy Garoppolo and the
fact that they've been trying to unload Jimmy Garoppolo the
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past couple of seasons. It feels like there's more going
on here, Brady than just then just Jimmy g maybe
not being a top ten elite quarterback like some have
claimed he's not. I found that quote interesting. I know
we we took only a clip of it, but I
didn't hear anything offensive in nature in that clip. It
seems like it was a lot about the defense in
that game, which, granted, you give up thirty plus points
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in the NFL, you might be frustrated with your defense,
but their offense didn't do much to to inspire you. Um.
I think they're an example of a team that had
a window and that window opened and it closed like abruptly,
like there was a change in weather quick They faced injuries,
they've moved on from some pieces on that on that roster.
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That whether you want to say guys who are draft
picks that are no longer there, that they didn't feel
like we're playing up to par um, or just guys
that they didn't feel like fit anymore. Whatever, you want
to chock it up to um, this team had a window,
it's closed now, and now they're trying to figure out
where the at. Because usually teams in the NFL go
one or two directions. They're either trying to win a championship,
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they go all in like the Los Angeles Rams, or
they start to rebuild. And I don't think this rosters
in rebuild mode necessarily, I don't think. But I also
don't think they're making moves like they're all in to
win a championship, and so they're in this like purgatory,
if you will. And what it usually happens in this
case is you've ever seen that series Lost that's on Fox.
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That series Lost. I never really could get into it,
but I felt like like the longer they were on
the island or wherever the hell they were at, it's
like the more confusing, frustrating, crazier things got. And I
feel like that's what's gonna happen in San Francisco. Like,
the longer they're in this state of purgatory where they're
trying to figure out what exactly they're trying to do,
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the better chance they have this whole thing crumbling breaking down,
and there being a fracture, and I think that's gonna
happen up top. I think right now that's already divided
between Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. As to Jimmy Garoppolo.
I remember calling games back. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo first
got there, and you know, Kyle said to me, said, look,
I needed to see him play. John Lynch was already
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okay with everything he saw from him and heard about
him with the New England Patriots. But Kyle Shanahan's like,
I need to see him play in my system, operate
my system. And so he got there, and what did
he go? Four oh five? And O I think when
he when he first got traded to the forty niners,
and so everyone's raving about him. They signed him to
an extension and they get to a super Bowl, but
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then he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. And
so I think there's been a combination of frustration with
with Kyle Shanahan and the quarterback situation there in San
Franz and also with what you know they've tried to
do to improve it, and whether or not that there
was a conversation with Rogers that fell through with that
whole trade scenario or the drafting of trade lance and
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who ultimately wanted him. I think all those things now
we're gonna come to a head as this team tries
to basically tread water because I'm sorry, they're not a
playoff team. They've got some really good players in some
certain spots, but Mike McGlinchey has now hurt the right
tackle position. You know, Garoppolo on this offense isn't able
to do enough. With the way their defense is playing
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right now, they're just they're just in a state at purgatory.
I mean, I think that that's the key to this
you you just mentioned with the injury to to the
defensive lineman, is that this defensive front and this defensive team,
UH was very dominant in in that that Super Bowl run.
The offense was a compliment to an amazing defense. Their
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defensive front with with Bosa, uh, with Eric what was
it Armstead? I want to say, you know, they were
that defensive front was putting so much pressure and dictating
so much uh, sometimes with three, sometimes with four. But
they gave this defense the ability to fly around Warner
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and those guys really blew up. Having the opportunity to
just move around. They're not as elite, they're not as
dominant as they were in that Super Bowl run. And
you're seeing the cracks that were were covered up by
by really really dominant defensive play. And and so now
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some would say when you look at and listen, they
came in there there running back situation was was kind
of you're trying to figure that out. I mean, they
got a good back. Um, you wanted to see the
running game be a little bit more pronounced, but you
gotta be you gotta be real here. You know Deebo
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Samuels has has had bright moments for this team. You
know he was out before because of injury. There were
so many in injuries, uh that were a part of
this team last year that you gave them a reprieve.
But this is not a reprieve year for Kyle Shanahan.
This You can put on any player you want to
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on this roster that oh, well they didn't tackle well,
or oh Jimmy didn't play well, he didn't throw the ball,
well they didn't catch them. It doesn't matter this year.
You cannot overlook the coaching that's taking place because ultimately,
when you get that reprieve from that injury year, even
if they were to have injuries again this year. Now,
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this is crazy. Even if they were to have injuries
this year, you're not going to get a reprieve. You
know why, because you're not winning at home For some
strange reason. That hot seat gets really really really warm
and uncomfortable. Um. And if you've ever had the Royds, Uh,
you know how uncomfortable that can be. UM on a
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hot seat. Uh, you are oh and four at home.
You can't do that and not expect to have your
job being in consideration um at that point. So this
is on couch Shanahan to save his his job and
ultimately save this season. You can't lose at home, and
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you can't lose every game at home. And it's also
like if you just look overall, and I actually think
it's gonna go like this, I don't think he's gonna
get fired after this season. I think he would probably
get another year and then it would be pretty obvious,
maybe similar to a Matt Naggy where it's like, all right, well,
you need to get something done this year or you're
gonna be on the way out. Because I mean he's
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he's got one winning season since he's been there. He's
won more than six games in a season once that
was the super Bowl year. Like he said, bad years there,
and I know the injuries are a real thing, but
it also to something Brady pointed out, It is this
weird dynamic where we kept getting those conflicting reports about
who wanted trade Lance, who wanted Mac Jones, Like there's
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a reason why the betting odds and some of the
reports were saying mac Jones all the way up until
Draft Day and then it switched and then we heard
that they were kicking the tires on Tom Brady as
well to last offseason and they were. They were in
on on Brady Rogers. Yeah, they acquired which is look
when they traded for Jimmy Garoppol in the first place.
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John Lynch admitted, Yeah, I asked about Tom Brady, why
would you not? And then you asked about the other guy.
So that's that's that's already been reported, talked about, discussed.
John Lynch is the type that wants to hear no,
so he could honestly tell you as a general manager, Yeah,
I called and acquired about it, like we hear people
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like Scott Fitter and Carolina said, hey, we want to
be a part of every trade conversation that's out there
because I think it's smart because that you need to
know what the market is like. Even if you don't
end up, you know, saying this is a good fit
for us, so this makes sense for us, you still
need to know what, like, wait, what was Tom Brady
going for? What we're teams willing to offer? You know,
and you get an idea of that. So I think
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that helps you as general manager. But they've been trying
to figure out the quarterback situation, it feels like for
a little while. And I think the interesting thing about
it is, you know, when you hear the back and
forth with who they were going to take and what
they were thinking, you have to ask yourself, was it
Kyle Shannon Shanahan leaking out one thing and maybe someone
from the forty niners front office leaking out the other
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of what they wanted to do? I mean, maybe that
was already the divide that we could we should have
been able to see within that organization. And so it
is gonna be interesting to see what happens after this year,
because if they don't win, there's a chance that something's
got to change. And you already heard the conversation about
the defense post game. Clearly there's frustrations there. Maybe there's
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a change there, I don't know. And and usually there's
a change up top, you know, and maybe it's a
general manager. I think. That's the crazy thing about all
of this is when times get tough, and it's unfortunate
we you know, most often in the NFL, people at
the top, people in power positions, they start turning on
each other instead of working with one another. It is
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man and that's that's what's gonna happen. If they don't
turn things around, it's super super quickly. You gotta note
in in terms of defensively, Robert Solo was good enough
to go get ahead coaching job out of New York
for the Jets, and to hire a guy for the
Jets job. You you work, you'd have to assume you're
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confident and in that man's abilities to coach, to take
on that monstrosity of of of a project. So keep
that in mind if there, if there was any any
opportunity for a a piece of grace attacked bit a
small piece of grace in terms of why the defense
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may not be as dominant as it was. It's because
they lost probably the arc at tech and the heart
and soul. I mean, he wasn't just good exces and
those I always say the best coaches are not exs
and those coaches. The best coaches are the coaches that
can get you to believe that that you know, anything
is possible. And from all reports that I've heard about
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uh Salah, I've heard great things about him. It doesn't
take much to see his energy on the sideline. And
and so you gotta consider that to be a tremendous
loss to them, um losing him as a head coach,
So that's something to consider. But you just can't lose
that home the way that they're losing at home. And
I wonder Brady, who was on the wrong side of
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the quarterback of the quarterback drafting? Who was Because to
me that that tells it all. Who's ever who's ever
on the wrong side of that, They're probably gonna be
out who's ever on the right side of it. It's like,
let's keep going two things. So if you look at
the o C now with the Jets, the floor he
was with he was a run game coordinator for the
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forty Niners. So now only do they lose Sala if
they take a step back this year a little bit
running the football. You could make that correlation to where
it hurt them. So you're right, maybe there's a grace
period there because of the staff changes. I would, I would,
And this is just a guess based on Kyle Shanahan's experience,
And I think this is partially why the narrative was
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out there. Look, Mike and Kyle wanted Kirk Cousins, Danny
Snyder wanted r G three, and we saw how that
played out in Washington. You now look at the forty Niners,
who had Trey Lance, not not as anywhere close to
a dynamic of a player as r G three. But
then you had Mac Jones, who I think was a
fair cop to a Kirk Cousins per se. And it
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wouldn't be surprising if Kyle Shanahan was saying, no, this
is more what I'm looking for in a quarterback in
Mac Jones, and John Lynch is saying but no. Look, understand,
from my perspective as a general manager and defensive player,
this is where the league's going. You know they're going
the way of trade rants they want a more athletic
quarterback like this. Um, think of all the things you
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can do, think of all the the binds you put
a defense in, and maybe he's selling them on entree lance.
So you know that's that's the hard part is we
don't necessarily know, but I could assend that conversation play
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call about ten minutes from now. We are going to
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get a look at a situation in the NFL continues
to get worse and worse for one team. That'll be
happening here on fs ARE. By the way, we talked
about to open the show, Cassius Marsh, who but if
you had money on Cassius Marsh having a postgame press
conference after getting called up to the active roster just
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a few days before Congratulations that paid out pretty heavily
their Brady Quinn was that on prop bet monster it
was not now the profit monster you guys pushed. I mean, listen,
there's no other way to just, you know, and make
it pretty. You guys pushed on the proper How many
of our bets were actually like bets that you could
have won a loss? Well too, we'll talk about it
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later the hour, because there there is some I don't
want to say controversy, but there's a little bit of
an issue with with some of this stuff. Is it
always because it's a profit monster? Man? He doesn't play nice?
What do you want. I don't know to tell you.
He look I I have you know, I go on
in a place to put those bets together and then
you guys criticize me every week. This isn't trust me.
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I'll tell you that when I get you more like it.
But Cassius Marsh, Cashius Marsh, step to Cashious Marsh, step
to the podium. He looked like Leonardo DiCaprio off the
revenue when he crawled out of that dead horse. He
had this to say about the incident. It's pretty clear
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to everybody who saw it that I wasn't taunting, like
you know, I've been doing the celebration my whole career,
and uh, you know, it's just sad to see stuff
like that happened in a close game like that. It's
just rough man on my way to the sideline. I
got hip checked by the reff and it's it's pretty
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clear if I were to do that to a reff
or even touch the ref, you know, we get kicked
out of the game and possibly suspended and fined. So
I just think that that was incredibly inappropriate and that's
all I'll say about that. Yeah, So he doubled down
on his fine, yeah, yeah, you think they're going to
double them up on that? Oh, absolutely doubled down on it.
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I will say this in his defense, it looked like
the ref backed into it wasn't anything to do with him.
But as I said before I do, you did look
like he was already already had his hand in his
pocket getting ready to throw that flag. So it wasn't
about the amazing Jean Claude van Damn roundhouse kick. It
was the aggressive stair down that took place for about
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i'd say eight seconds after the sack. You can't stare
at the sideline anymore. Like, I get it, it's a
point of emphasis, but I thought taunting was like standing
over a guy's face, grabbing your crotch and doing a
throat slash. Yester year. You can't staring a sideline. Can
we take a step back? Though? Like, Okay, if you're
ready to throw the flag because of a taunting call,
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then throw the flag. What are you gonna wait until
you guys make contact? Which, by the way, if you
have eyes in your head and either one of them work,
even have decently work. You saw the man get in
the path of him running like he got in the
path of him, like he braced himself, he backed into him,
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and he made contact with the player. There's no getting
out of the way that And listen, referees are people, right,
there's human there's human error and what referees do, like
we see it play out weekend and week out, and
sometimes you gotta be I mean, let's just be real here.
These dudes sometimes be power tripping. They power trip. And
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the funniest thing is, you know how they power trip.
You gotta pay attention to this people. You when you're
watching games, the power trippers, the way they throw their flags.
Like I remember when that one referee power tripped on
on Big Zeus right, and and and and Orlando Brown
did something. The referee didn't like it. And not only
did he throw the flag, he threw it at him.
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He threw it at him. I don't know what, like
what is it beans or something that are in the
bottom of those It's not like a mixture of sand
and rosin cane. At this point, you gotta watch the
way they throw it. Like when they throw the flag,
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it shows you what type of person they are, their
style in their technique of delivering their flag. And this
guy clearly had he clearly had a burro out for
form so far. If you see an official throw his
flag like way up in the air, like almost like
a hop fly, what does that tell you about that official?
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You're out of here. Yeah, It's like it's like, don't try, Like,
do you understand how far I can throw this flag
up into the air? Do you want to see how
strong my arm and my hips and my glove are.
I was gonna say, yeah, he's making a rain or
he's trying to tell you, Hey, this is what I'm
working with. You know what I'm saying. It's like when
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I when I go off, I go off in a
big way. Because my next follow up is what about
the officials? You just look like they drop it out
of their pocket, you know, like they're they're chilling. They
don't really want to throw the flag like they're that
they're that police officer that pulls you over and they're like, look, man,
I'm gonna give you a warning, and literally just a warning.
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I don't I'm not giving you no written warning, just
just like man, slow down. Right. Then you got the
flag thrower that throws it up like you said, that
just wants to let you know, like they they flossy,
you know what I mean, like I'm flossy with it.
I was more thinking the guy who drops this kind
of just like you know, like, how would you, okay,
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how would you guys throw if you were if you weren't,
if you were an official and you pulled a flag
to throw it, how would you I would just spike
it on the ground as hard as I could, Like,
if we're doing this, let's do it, man, I'd be
like an umpire. I would literally like toss it up
in the air, but as it's up in the air,
give some sort of signal. It almost like to the
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umpires how they when they strike strike out? Remember the
Naked Gun when Leslie Nielsen was the umpire behind started
walking Everything good. But it wasn't O. J. Simpson in
that movie. Yes he was. Whatever happened, So he's still
he's doing on social media post yeah, yes, he's telling
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people like the right the right advice on how to
approach life situations and if you did it well, this
will be the way that you should speak to the
media or handle yourself and not a cant. And I
thought we were gonna go on, but I mean, I'm
gonna go with there right now? Which would you rather
hear from someone who has been through just put it
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this way a lot like O. J. Simpson and giving
advice on this because he is firsthand experienced it, or
is it too hypocritical? Where like you're like, yeah, I
don't think so, man, like I'd rather get my advice
from from someone else. Being politically correct, You're gonna say,
oh my gosh, I would never get any advice from O. J. Simpson.
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And then the non hypocritical side, the the the in
and the confines and the safety of your own environment
where no one can judge you. Be like man O J.
Spitting some real gang right now and they put you
up on some real game. That man got away with
the murderer of the century, dog like, like, you better
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listen to him. I mean, and and and still and
for some reason still going strong. I don't know how
it's I don't know how it's happened, but it's happy.
He seems to be happy. And how can he not be.
He's got freedom, He golfs, he plays fantasy football, and
he drinks. He could be living in a cell at
this point, man, Can I just say, by the way,
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I don't know if this would stated maybe I didn't
miss it, But maybe I didn't miss it, you know.
And and Cash is looking at is that how you
say it? Cash is? Yeah? Cash is Marsh. Okay, cash
is Clay Marsh. Is Mama call him cash is? I'm
gonna call him Cash is Clay marsh? Uh. One thing
to keep in mind here, when he looked at the sideline, okay,
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he didn't make any obscene gestures. Did you see it?
I didn't see it? Did you guys see it? He
didn't do anything that would bring reproach on him, himself,
his family, or his team in that moment. And by
the way, here's the most important piece of information. He
played for them the year before. Yeah, he was on
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the roster the so the people he was looking at
he knew him. He knew them, like like why at
what point in and and the history of our game.
Kind of guy that that wasn't looked at as valuable
enough to stay on the team ends up on another team.
That team plays your team in his old team. He
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makes a big play and he looks at the team like,
you know, look, this was me the guy you got
rid of. Why is that so wrong? Why are we
gotten so touch sensitive where we think that that's like, Okay,
maybe it is a little bit of taunting. Sure it
is a little bit of taunting. But at the end
of the day, isn't that a little bit of like
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that's part of sports. Let me go, like you let
me go. And I also think that this maybe because
it was a prime time standalone game and it's getting
as much coverage as it's getting, I wonder if we're
gonna start seeing it slowed down a little bit some
of the t I think it's for a point of
the season, so we we all know how this works.
The NFL has their points of emphasis, well they have
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a quota, but it's it's more of setting a tone
and they do it in the first half the season
and then it just fades away in the second half
or any changes they want to make, they just suddenly
kind of guide the officials on the field and in
a certain path. That call was delayed enough where I
wonder if someone didn't buzz down and say something like
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throw it and spot right, I need a reason I
hadn't throw the play. I don't know about that. I
just think in regards to them trying to make an
emphasis on taunting, which they have this year. I almost
felt like it was so delayed that the NFL, in
a prime time spot, wanted to say, yeah, that was
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enough for us, given the history and all that. And
here's here's the genesis of all this. The NFL believes
that taunting has led to more fights or dirty plays
that escalated stuff. And I would just combat this by saying, one,
that's not true. I mean, we've seen so few fights
in the NFL for the most part, and things really
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normally don't get out of hands, so let's not exaggerate that.
But if if you can't have fun, and if after
making a great play you can't have a gesture or
something in sport, where else can you do it? Like,
you're not doing this for society, you know, it's not
like people are walking around after you know, a business
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meeting or they close a deal, you know, pulling out
their competition, grabbing their nuts at some restaurant. Like it's
not like that's what's happening in society. It would be
this is football, this is sports, Like, can we not
let the players have fun? Can we not let the
fans enjoy on this? I'm still going to say, and
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I don't know he call They called it ton team.
But he threw that flag clearly after he was in
the rest, after bumping into him. It wasn't the way
he threw it. He looked at him like he looked
at him. He looked at him like, all right, I'm
I'm gonna grab my flag. Now I'm a bump into
him and now I'm like, you make contact with me
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and I'm throwing this flag, which now leads to the
debate of if you bump into a referee like that,
they're gonna eject you from the game. He's saying it
wasn't because of the bump though, And he could see
you could see the official pulling in and pulling the
flag out. He's already don't see him pull You see
him holding the flag. Now he's start and holding the flag.
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He doesn't pull that flat. If you guys watch it again,
he has his hand on the flag. He is not
removing the flag from his belt waist. He's got his
hand on it. Once he bumped into him, that's when
he started tugging out the flag to throw the flag away.
This is everything I'm telling you the details, right, you
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know what you know, you know what the NFL should do.
Since they're so worried about fights escalating, why don't you
do something about the fights in the stands every week?
There are more fights in the stands every single game
this year than we've seen before. Guys on them. When's
the last time you saw an out and out brawl
in an NFL game between two teams? It hardly ever happens.
Everybody's wearing helmets. Were fine, unless unless you're playing at
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Washington and Jimmy Lakes your coach. But never one all that,
that's a conversation for another time. This this idea that
this is all about, you know, protecting players and making
sure there's no fight. It's a bunch of crap. And
I actually think we're gonna see significantly less taunting penalties
because of what happened last night. It was so egregious accountable. Yeah,
that's all I'm saying. He should be held accountable. That
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referee should be fine for whether whether right or wrong,
he should be like, he should be fine for what
he did. And that's the bottom line of it. And
and then let me add, let me add this to you,
Like we could talk about that fights in the stands
and stuff like that. Listen, football is a full contact sport.
Name another full contact sport out there. And if you
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get into hockey, which is the only one that I
can think of that's full contact, that's out there. Um
And and then you think about contact sports, combat sports
like m m A and boxing, they are the worst.
They are the worst. And taunting nobody cares. You know why,
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because you gotta be a tap bit off to run
into a three pound man and think that something good
is gonna happen. You gotta be a little off to
go in there and know that you're gonna get punched
and elbowed and kicked in your head. You gotta be
off when you know that a puck is gonna hit
you in your face and knock your teeth out, or
you could get hit with a blade, or you could
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drop the gloves and start nucking right out there on
the ice. You gotta have a little bit off about
you if you are going to do full contact sports, period.
So why do we get so crazy and sensitive and
super moist about situations where dudes are sitting there being
who they are. You want to subdue people that you
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want to see do what they're supposed to do, which
is a very very violent situation that you're talking about.
But yet and the violence of what it is that
they're doing, in the physicality of what they're doing, Oh,
you also want them to be very very subdued and
in control and understand that taunting of any sort of
any kind and show of emotion after you've done something
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so physical and violent to somebody is inappropriate and unacceptable.
I find that to be very very hypocritical and and
quite weird. Really. It's Two Pros and a Cup of
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John Gruden, uh, the the terrible situation involving Henry Ruggs,
and the latest is a cornerback Damon our Nett. Uh.
He was a first round pick in there was a
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video that serviced on social media and which he's pointing
a gun at the camera making death threats. Just a
bad look all the way around. He's been on I
R for a few weeks himself, but Damon Arnett was
released by the Raiders UH and Mike Mayock making the
swift decision there. Brady Quinn uh in another rough rough
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go for the Raiders and in a season that you know,
outside of what happened against the Giants by the way,
plus three and a half courtesy and Knox locks outside
of what happened against the Giants, UM the Raiders are
a playoff team right now and been playing pretty good
football as it stands right now. They are. This division, though,
is one that's kind of crazy, right because you've got
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the Broncos who are above five hundred, Chiefs, Raiders, and Chargers,
so a lot of a lot of winning football teams.
Who knows how it's gonna shape out. Look, there draft
class now is basically with one player that's contributing. Brian
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Edwards their wide receiver, who, no doubt about it, has
been a hit, talented, he's had an impact. Everyone else,
I mean John Simpson, the offensive lineman out of Clemson.
He's a backup still could could contribute. But outside of
that man, it is not a draft class. When you
will look at their top picks that's netted anything. And
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I think when you go through the years of their
free agent acquisitions and some of the other pieces they've
had there, it's been the same thing during what was
John Gruden's tenure. So there, the truth of the matter is,
when you're a ten year, one hundred million dollar man,
you could put all you one on a general manager
and what his title is, but John Gruden was the
one making all the decisions on taking on these players.
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He was the one who basically fell in love with
Alabama and Clemson and continually went back to that well
and wanted to bring in players that potentially had questions
about them off the field. And now we've kind of
find out how that's working out for this team. So, uh,
it's gonna be interesting to see how they, you know,
handle all this. Not that you know, Damon Arnette, as
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you pointed out, was a huge contributor to this team
at that point, but time and time again, they've taken
chance on guys that hasn't worked out that will not
happen moving forward under Mike Mayock. If he's their general manager.
He's a no nonsense guy. I can imagine his frustration
when John Gruden was, you know, given the okay to
some guys that had a storied background or had some
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issues coming in because this swift action by Mayock in
a lot of these cases, or even just moving on
from a player quickly or trading you know, a guy
like Lynn Bowden that all has a stamp of Mike Mayock.
Not so much John Gruden. You know, I think all
of these teams in the a f C West are
facing um trying times. Uh, the Chargers are are not
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at with the Raiders. The Chiefs are are at the
same record. I mean, the Broncos. Everybody's got the same
record pretty much. I mean Raiders have played you know,
I mean Raiders and the Charges are one game behind.
But I mean it's the same thing. And and so
here's this word that you've been using, this that it's
a parody thing in the a f C West. And
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regardless of where things go in terms of what Mayak
does if he's still there, or what the new guy does,
this team right now is still in the hunt and
in a division where, um, there's an identity crisis, there's
some type of crisis going on in Kansas City. They're
they're not doing well offensively, they're finding a way to win,
but I mean they're not doing well. You know. The
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Broncos are inconsistent, but they found a way to get
the five victories. The Argers are inconsistent, but they look
really good. But now they seem to be cooling off.
It's kind of the same narrative, maybe different variables, but
it's kind of the same narrative. I think it makes
for great great television, great reality TV. And it'll be
interesting to see how excuse me, the Las Vegas Raiders
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finished out, because a lot of it will have to
do with the leadership that's coming from Mayok. Do you
guys think it's a good division or just competitive? Because
I mean I actually think it's gonna be really fun
to your point, Lavard, to watch the same play out
down the stretch, because I have no idea who's going
to come away with the Broncos play how they did
versus Dallas every week. Yeah, I think it's a good division,
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Thanks for making us a part of your Tuesday morning.
We got Brady Quinn, We got sticks in Pennsylvania. Now,
did you get a harass? When you got to the
airport or people you know, kind of all wanting pictures
with the great LaVar Arrington now that you're back home
or what what's going on? That's State College Pittsburgh. Sorry,
and it really is very very Um that's overstated. I
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mean people were like, I know who you are. That's
all I get. That's really generally all I get, which
is pretty cool, you know what I mean. Like they'll
they'll walk by, people walk by, the stare at you. Um,
and I'll get generally every once in a while I
do a selfie or whatever with people, but I get,
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I know who you are. Yeah, like, all right, who
am I? They go, Samuel Jackson, what's in your wallety?
Uh do I'll listen. Uh it's you know, we're happy
to have you and uh we know. Um obviously you
got home safe and sound yesterday. Um well I got here.
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Well yeah this is home. Well you're right now, just
you said it, right, Yeah, that's right. This is a
stick city. Stick city is a place. But you know,
stick city doesn't exist just mp A. You know, there
was a stick city in in Auburn, you know, with
Carlos Dansby, there was a stick City in Texas with
Derek Derek Williams. I mean there there was some sticks
cities in different places, So I meant, and you made
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it home from the studio yesterday without incident, you know,
because it was getting a little dicey there. You know
that triple mocha shot bro unbelievable. It is. It is
one of the I mean, listen, that mixture is phenomenal.
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I just can't do chocolate and LaVar is not. It's
not a mix. Yeah, that was you saying bolt running
through you at by the time the show concluded. But listen,
we're all here. They thought I was. I opened up
the door to kids, was like, what dance is that? Dad?
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And I was like, that's the that's to get to
the potty room dance. Oh man, we'll talk to you
in a minute. We've all been there, all right. So
with that being sad, let's get into it. From one
seat to another hot seat. I saw what you did
right there. That was an amazing transition broadcast professional here
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some which was amazing. You know. It's both seats. Both
seats are interesting seats. While one is for alleviating and relieving,
the other is quite irritable. And irritant and very uncomfortable. Yeah,
and uh, and this uncomfortable seat belongs to none other
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than Kyle Shanahan of the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh.
The forty Niners, by the way, who have lost four
of five. Excuse me, they've lost five of six now. Uh.
The Niners are sitting at three and five on the season,
and they lost on Sunday seventeen to the Arizona Cardinals
and Colt McCoy. There was no uh No Kyler Murray.
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Colt McCoy came in, played pretty well, it gets the win,
and afterwards Kyle Shanna and spoke about the situation. We
don't play very well today at all. That was real disappointed.
I thought we'd played really well. I thought we'd even
improved from the week Priorum, but obviously in Glota was
extremely disappointing. Um. I don't think we tackled very well. UM.
I didn't think we had eleven guys form into the
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ball enough. I think we made it pretty easy on
those guests. How I'm not saying Kyle Shannon is gonna
get acted at the end of the season, but are
we starting to see that maybe there's something more wrong
with the forty Niners than just Jimmy Garoppolo and the
fact that they've been trying to unload Jimmy Garoppolo the
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past couple of seasons. It feels like there's more going
on here, Brady than just then just Jimmy g maybe
not being a top ten elite quarterback like some have
claimed he's not. I found that quote interesting. I know
we we took only a clip of it, but I
didn't hear anything offensive in nature in that clip. It
seems like it was a lot about the defense in
that game, which, granted, you give up thirty plus points
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in the NFL, you might be frustrated with your defense,
but their offense didn't do much to to inspire you. Um.
I think they're an example of a team that had
a window and that window opened and it closed like abruptly,
like there was a change in weather quick They faced injuries,
they've moved on from some pieces on that on that roster.
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That whether you want to say guys who are draft
picks that are no longer there, that they didn't feel
like we're playing up to par um, or just guys
that they didn't feel like fit anymore. Whatever, you want
to chock it up to um, this team had a window,
it's closed now, and now they're trying to figure out
where the at. Because usually teams in the NFL go
one or two directions. They're either trying to win a championship,
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they go all in like the Los Angeles Rams, or
they start to rebuild. And I don't think this rosters
in rebuild mode necessarily, I don't think. But I also
don't think they're making moves like they're all in to
win a championship, and so they're in this like purgatory,
if you will. And what it usually happens in this
case is you've ever seen that series Lost that's on Fox.
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That series Lost. I never really could get into it,
but I felt like like the longer they were on
the island or wherever the hell they were at, it's
like the more confusing, frustrating, crazier things got. And I
feel like that's what's gonna happen in San Francisco. Like,
the longer they're in this state of purgatory where they're
trying to figure out what exactly they're trying to do,
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the better chance they have this whole thing crumbling breaking down,
and there being a fracture, and I think that's gonna
happen up top. I think right now that's already divided
between Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch. As to Jimmy Garoppolo.
I remember calling games back. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo first
got there, and you know, Kyle said to me, said, look,
I needed to see him play. John Lynch was already
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okay with everything he saw from him and heard about
him with the New England Patriots. But Kyle Shanahan's like,
I need to see him play in my system, operate
my system. And so he got there, and what did
he go? Four oh five? And O I think when
he when he first got traded to the forty niners,
and so everyone's raving about him. They signed him to
an extension and they get to a super Bowl, but
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then he just hasn't been able to stay healthy. And
so I think there's been a combination of frustration with
with Kyle Shanahan and the quarterback situation there in San
Franz and also with what you know they've tried to
do to improve it, and whether or not that there
was a conversation with Rogers that fell through with that
whole trade scenario or the drafting of trade lance and
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who ultimately wanted him. I think all those things now
we're gonna come to a head as this team tries
to basically tread water because I'm sorry, they're not a
playoff team. They've got some really good players in some
certain spots, but Mike McGlinchey has now hurt the right
tackle position. You know, Garoppolo on this offense isn't able
to do enough. With the way their defense is playing
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right now, they're just they're just in a state at purgatory.
I mean, I think that that's the key to this
you you just mentioned with the injury to to the
defensive lineman, is that this defensive front and this defensive team,
UH was very dominant in in that that Super Bowl run.
The offense was a compliment to an amazing defense. Their
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defensive front with with Bosa, uh, with Eric what was
it Armstead? I want to say, you know, they were
that defensive front was putting so much pressure and dictating
so much uh, sometimes with three, sometimes with four. But
they gave this defense the ability to fly around Warner
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and those guys really blew up. Having the opportunity to
just move around. They're not as elite, they're not as
dominant as they were in that Super Bowl run. And
you're seeing the cracks that were were covered up by
by really really dominant defensive play. And and so now
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some would say when you look at and listen, they
came in there there running back situation was was kind
of you're trying to figure that out. I mean, they
got a good back. Um, you wanted to see the
running game be a little bit more pronounced, but you
gotta be you gotta be real here. You know Deebo
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Samuels has has had bright moments for this team. You
know he was out before because of injury. There were
so many in injuries, uh that were a part of
this team last year that you gave them a reprieve.
But this is not a reprieve year for Kyle Shanahan.
This You can put on any player you want to
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on this roster that oh, well they didn't tackle well,
or oh Jimmy didn't play well, he didn't throw the ball,
well they didn't catch them. It doesn't matter this year.
You cannot overlook the coaching that's taking place because ultimately,
when you get that reprieve from that injury year, even
if they were to have injuries again this year. Now,
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this is crazy. Even if they were to have injuries
this year, you're not going to get a reprieve. You
know why, because you're not winning at home For some
strange reason. That hot seat gets really really really warm
and uncomfortable. Um. And if you've ever had the Royds, Uh,
you know how uncomfortable that can be. UM on a
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hot seat. Uh, you are oh and four at home.
You can't do that and not expect to have your
job being in consideration um at that point. So this
is on couch Shanahan to save his his job and
ultimately save this season. You can't lose at home, and
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you can't lose every game at home. And it's also
like if you just look overall, and I actually think
it's gonna go like this, I don't think he's gonna
get fired after this season. I think he would probably
get another year and then it would be pretty obvious,
maybe similar to a Matt Naggy where it's like, all right, well,
you need to get something done this year or you're
gonna be on the way out. Because I mean he's
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he's got one winning season since he's been there. He's
won more than six games in a season once that
was the super Bowl year. Like he said, bad years there,
and I know the injuries are a real thing, but
it also to something Brady pointed out, It is this
weird dynamic where we kept getting those conflicting reports about
who wanted trade Lance, who wanted Mac Jones, Like there's
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a reason why the betting odds and some of the
reports were saying mac Jones all the way up until
Draft Day and then it switched and then we heard
that they were kicking the tires on Tom Brady as
well to last offseason and they were. They were in
on on Brady Rogers. Yeah, they acquired which is look
when they traded for Jimmy Garoppol in the first place.
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John Lynch admitted, Yeah, I asked about Tom Brady, why
would you not? And then you asked about the other guy.
So that's that's that's already been reported, talked about, discussed.
John Lynch is the type that wants to hear no,
so he could honestly tell you as a general manager, Yeah,
I called and acquired about it, like we hear people
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like Scott Fitter and Carolina said, hey, we want to
be a part of every trade conversation that's out there
because I think it's smart because that you need to
know what the market is like. Even if you don't
end up, you know, saying this is a good fit
for us, so this makes sense for us, you still
need to know what, like, wait, what was Tom Brady
going for? What we're teams willing to offer? You know,
and you get an idea of that. So I think
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that helps you as general manager. But they've been trying
to figure out the quarterback situation, it feels like for
a little while. And I think the interesting thing about
it is, you know, when you hear the back and
forth with who they were going to take and what
they were thinking, you have to ask yourself, was it
Kyle Shannon Shanahan leaking out one thing and maybe someone
from the forty niners front office leaking out the other
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of what they wanted to do? I mean, maybe that
was already the divide that we could we should have
been able to see within that organization. And so it
is gonna be interesting to see what happens after this year,
because if they don't win, there's a chance that something's
got to change. And you already heard the conversation about
the defense post game. Clearly there's frustrations there. Maybe there's
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a change there, I don't know. And and usually there's
a change up top, you know, and maybe it's a
general manager. I think. That's the crazy thing about all
of this is when times get tough, and it's unfortunate
we you know, most often in the NFL, people at
the top, people in power positions, they start turning on
each other instead of working with one another. It is
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man and that's that's what's gonna happen. If they don't
turn things around, it's super super quickly. You gotta note
in in terms of defensively, Robert Solo was good enough
to go get ahead coaching job out of New York
for the Jets, and to hire a guy for the
Jets job. You you work, you'd have to assume you're
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confident and in that man's abilities to coach, to take
on that monstrosity of of of a project. So keep
that in mind if there, if there was any any
opportunity for a a piece of grace attacked bit a
small piece of grace in terms of why the defense
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may not be as dominant as it was. It's because
they lost probably the arc at tech and the heart
and soul. I mean, he wasn't just good exces and
those I always say the best coaches are not exs
and those coaches. The best coaches are the coaches that
can get you to believe that that you know, anything
is possible. And from all reports that I've heard about
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uh Salah, I've heard great things about him. It doesn't
take much to see his energy on the sideline. And
and so you gotta consider that to be a tremendous
loss to them, um losing him as a head coach,
So that's something to consider. But you just can't lose
that home the way that they're losing at home. And
I wonder Brady, who was on the wrong side of
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the quarterback of the quarterback drafting? Who was Because to
me that that tells it all. Who's ever who's ever
on the wrong side of that, They're probably gonna be
out who's ever on the right side of it. It's like,
let's keep going two things. So if you look at
the o C now with the Jets, the floor he
was with he was a run game coordinator for the
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forty Niners. So now only do they lose Sala if
they take a step back this year a little bit
running the football. You could make that correlation to where
it hurt them. So you're right, maybe there's a grace
period there because of the staff changes. I would, I would,
And this is just a guess based on Kyle Shanahan's experience,
And I think this is partially why the narrative was
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out there. Look, Mike and Kyle wanted Kirk Cousins, Danny
Snyder wanted r G three, and we saw how that
played out in Washington. You now look at the forty Niners,
who had Trey Lance, not not as anywhere close to
a dynamic of a player as r G three. But
then you had Mac Jones, who I think was a
fair cop to a Kirk Cousins per se. And it
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wouldn't be surprising if Kyle Shanahan was saying, no, this
is more what I'm looking for in a quarterback in
Mac Jones, and John Lynch is saying but no. Look, understand,
from my perspective as a general manager and defensive player,
this is where the league's going. You know they're going
the way of trade rants they want a more athletic
quarterback like this. Um, think of all the things you
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can do, think of all the the binds you put
a defense in, and maybe he's selling them on entree lance.
So you know that's that's the hard part is we
don't necessarily know, but I could assend that conversation play
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about to open the show, Cassius Marsh, who but if
you had money on Cassius Marsh having a postgame press
conference after getting called up to the active roster just
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a few days before Congratulations that paid out pretty heavily
their Brady Quinn was that on prop bet monster it
was not now the profit monster you guys pushed. I mean, listen,
there's no other way to just, you know, and make
it pretty. You guys pushed on the proper How many
of our bets were actually like bets that you could
have won a loss? Well too, we'll talk about it
(18:51):
later the hour, because there there is some I don't
want to say controversy, but there's a little bit of
an issue with with some of this stuff. Is it
always because it's a profit monster? Man? He doesn't play nice?
What do you want. I don't know to tell you.
He look I I have you know, I go on
in a place to put those bets together and then
you guys criticize me every week. This isn't trust me.
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I'll tell you that when I get you more like it.
But Cassius Marsh, Cashius Marsh, step to Cashious Marsh, step
to the podium. He looked like Leonardo DiCaprio off the
revenue when he crawled out of that dead horse. He
had this to say about the incident. It's pretty clear
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to everybody who saw it that I wasn't taunting, like
you know, I've been doing the celebration my whole career,
and uh, you know, it's just sad to see stuff
like that happened in a close game like that. It's
just rough man on my way to the sideline. I
got hip checked by the reff and it's it's pretty
(19:57):
clear if I were to do that to a reff
or even touch the ref, you know, we get kicked
out of the game and possibly suspended and fined. So
I just think that that was incredibly inappropriate and that's
all I'll say about that. Yeah, So he doubled down
on his fine, yeah, yeah, you think they're going to
double them up on that? Oh, absolutely doubled down on it.
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I will say this in his defense, it looked like
the ref backed into it wasn't anything to do with him.
But as I said before I do, you did look
like he was already already had his hand in his
pocket getting ready to throw that flag. So it wasn't
about the amazing Jean Claude van Damn roundhouse kick. It
was the aggressive stair down that took place for about
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i'd say eight seconds after the sack. You can't stare
at the sideline anymore. Like, I get it, it's a
point of emphasis, but I thought taunting was like standing
over a guy's face, grabbing your crotch and doing a
throat slash. Yester year. You can't staring a sideline. Can
we take a step back? Though? Like, Okay, if you're
ready to throw the flag because of a taunting call,
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then throw the flag. What are you gonna wait until
you guys make contact? Which, by the way, if you
have eyes in your head and either one of them work,
even have decently work. You saw the man get in
the path of him running like he got in the
path of him, like he braced himself, he backed into him,
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and he made contact with the player. There's no getting
out of the way that And listen, referees are people, right,
there's human there's human error and what referees do, like
we see it play out weekend and week out, and
sometimes you gotta be I mean, let's just be real here.
These dudes sometimes be power tripping. They power trip. And
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the funniest thing is, you know how they power trip.
You gotta pay attention to this people. You when you're
watching games, the power trippers, the way they throw their flags.
Like I remember when that one referee power tripped on
on Big Zeus right, and and and and Orlando Brown
did something. The referee didn't like it. And not only
did he throw the flag, he threw it at him.
(22:19):
He threw it at him. I don't know what, like
what is it beans or something that are in the
bottom of those It's not like a mixture of sand
and rosin cane. At this point, you gotta watch the
way they throw it. Like when they throw the flag,
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it shows you what type of person they are, their
style in their technique of delivering their flag. And this
guy clearly had he clearly had a burro out for
form so far. If you see an official throw his
flag like way up in the air, like almost like
a hop fly, what does that tell you about that official?
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You're out of here. Yeah, It's like it's like, don't try, Like,
do you understand how far I can throw this flag
up into the air? Do you want to see how
strong my arm and my hips and my glove are.
I was gonna say, yeah, he's making a rain or
he's trying to tell you, Hey, this is what I'm
working with. You know what I'm saying. It's like when
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I when I go off, I go off in a
big way. Because my next follow up is what about
the officials? You just look like they drop it out
of their pocket, you know, like they're they're chilling. They
don't really want to throw the flag like they're that
they're that police officer that pulls you over and they're like, look, man,
I'm gonna give you a warning, and literally just a warning.
(23:45):
I don't I'm not giving you no written warning, just
just like man, slow down. Right. Then you got the
flag thrower that throws it up like you said, that
just wants to let you know, like they they flossy,
you know what I mean, like I'm flossy with it.
I was more thinking the guy who drops this kind
of just like you know, like, how would you, okay,
(24:05):
how would you guys throw if you were if you weren't,
if you were an official and you pulled a flag
to throw it, how would you I would just spike
it on the ground as hard as I could, Like,
if we're doing this, let's do it, man, I'd be
like an umpire. I would literally like toss it up
in the air, but as it's up in the air,
give some sort of signal. It almost like to the
(24:26):
umpires how they when they strike strike out? Remember the
Naked Gun when Leslie Nielsen was the umpire behind started
walking Everything good. But it wasn't O. J. Simpson in
that movie. Yes he was. Whatever happened, So he's still
he's doing on social media post yeah, yes, he's telling
(24:47):
people like the right the right advice on how to
approach life situations and if you did it well, this
will be the way that you should speak to the
media or handle yourself and not a cant. And I
thought we were gonna go on, but I mean, I'm
gonna go with there right now? Which would you rather
hear from someone who has been through just put it
(25:10):
this way a lot like O. J. Simpson and giving
advice on this because he is firsthand experienced it, or
is it too hypocritical? Where like you're like, yeah, I
don't think so, man, like I'd rather get my advice
from from someone else. Being politically correct, You're gonna say,
oh my gosh, I would never get any advice from O. J. Simpson.
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And then the non hypocritical side, the the the in
and the confines and the safety of your own environment
where no one can judge you. Be like man O J.
Spitting some real gang right now and they put you
up on some real game. That man got away with
the murderer of the century, dog like, like, you better
(25:55):
listen to him. I mean, and and and still and
for some reason still going strong. I don't know how
it's I don't know how it's happened, but it's happy.
He seems to be happy. And how can he not be.
He's got freedom, He golfs, he plays fantasy football, and
he drinks. He could be living in a cell at
this point, man, Can I just say, by the way,
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I don't know if this would stated maybe I didn't
miss it, But maybe I didn't miss it, you know.
And and Cash is looking at is that how you
say it? Cash is? Yeah? Cash is Marsh. Okay, cash
is Clay Marsh. Is Mama call him cash is? I'm
gonna call him Cash is Clay marsh? Uh. One thing
to keep in mind here, when he looked at the sideline, okay,
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he didn't make any obscene gestures. Did you see it?
I didn't see it? Did you guys see it? He
didn't do anything that would bring reproach on him, himself,
his family, or his team in that moment. And by
the way, here's the most important piece of information. He
played for them the year before. Yeah, he was on
(27:01):
the roster the so the people he was looking at
he knew him. He knew them, like like why at
what point in and and the history of our game.
Kind of guy that that wasn't looked at as valuable
enough to stay on the team ends up on another team.
That team plays your team in his old team. He
(27:23):
makes a big play and he looks at the team like,
you know, look, this was me the guy you got
rid of. Why is that so wrong? Why are we
gotten so touch sensitive where we think that that's like, Okay,
maybe it is a little bit of taunting. Sure it
is a little bit of taunting. But at the end
of the day, isn't that a little bit of like
(27:43):
that's part of sports. Let me go, like you let
me go. And I also think that this maybe because
it was a prime time standalone game and it's getting
as much coverage as it's getting, I wonder if we're
gonna start seeing it slowed down a little bit some
of the t I think it's for a point of
the season, so we we all know how this works.
The NFL has their points of emphasis, well they have
(28:08):
a quota, but it's it's more of setting a tone
and they do it in the first half the season
and then it just fades away in the second half
or any changes they want to make, they just suddenly
kind of guide the officials on the field and in
a certain path. That call was delayed enough where I
wonder if someone didn't buzz down and say something like
(28:31):
throw it and spot right, I need a reason I
hadn't throw the play. I don't know about that. I
just think in regards to them trying to make an
emphasis on taunting, which they have this year. I almost
felt like it was so delayed that the NFL, in
a prime time spot, wanted to say, yeah, that was
(28:53):
enough for us, given the history and all that. And
here's here's the genesis of all this. The NFL believes
that taunting has led to more fights or dirty plays
that escalated stuff. And I would just combat this by saying, one,
that's not true. I mean, we've seen so few fights
in the NFL for the most part, and things really
(29:15):
normally don't get out of hands, so let's not exaggerate that.
But if if you can't have fun, and if after
making a great play you can't have a gesture or
something in sport, where else can you do it? Like,
you're not doing this for society, you know, it's not
like people are walking around after you know, a business
(29:37):
meeting or they close a deal, you know, pulling out
their competition, grabbing their nuts at some restaurant. Like it's
not like that's what's happening in society. It would be
this is football, this is sports, Like, can we not
let the players have fun? Can we not let the
fans enjoy on this? I'm still going to say, and
(29:57):
I don't know he call They called it ton team.
But he threw that flag clearly after he was in
the rest, after bumping into him. It wasn't the way
he threw it. He looked at him like he looked
at him. He looked at him like, all right, I'm
I'm gonna grab my flag. Now I'm a bump into
him and now I'm like, you make contact with me
(30:21):
and I'm throwing this flag, which now leads to the
debate of if you bump into a referee like that,
they're gonna eject you from the game. He's saying it
wasn't because of the bump though, And he could see
you could see the official pulling in and pulling the
flag out. He's already don't see him pull You see
him holding the flag. Now he's start and holding the flag.
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He doesn't pull that flat. If you guys watch it again,
he has his hand on the flag. He is not
removing the flag from his belt waist. He's got his
hand on it. Once he bumped into him, that's when
he started tugging out the flag to throw the flag away.
This is everything I'm telling you the details, right, you
(31:10):
know what you know, you know what the NFL should do.
Since they're so worried about fights escalating, why don't you
do something about the fights in the stands every week?
There are more fights in the stands every single game
this year than we've seen before. Guys on them. When's
the last time you saw an out and out brawl
in an NFL game between two teams? It hardly ever happens.
Everybody's wearing helmets. Were fine, unless unless you're playing at
(31:32):
Washington and Jimmy Lakes your coach. But never one all that,
that's a conversation for another time. This this idea that
this is all about, you know, protecting players and making
sure there's no fight. It's a bunch of crap. And
I actually think we're gonna see significantly less taunting penalties
because of what happened last night. It was so egregious accountable. Yeah,
that's all I'm saying. He should be held accountable. That
(31:54):
referee should be fine for whether whether right or wrong,
he should be like, he should be fine for what
he did. And that's the bottom line of it. And
and then let me add, let me add this to you,
Like we could talk about that fights in the stands
and stuff like that. Listen, football is a full contact sport.
Name another full contact sport out there. And if you
(32:17):
get into hockey, which is the only one that I
can think of that's full contact, that's out there. Um
And and then you think about contact sports, combat sports
like m m A and boxing, they are the worst.
They are the worst. And taunting nobody cares. You know why,
(32:37):
because you gotta be a tap bit off to run
into a three pound man and think that something good
is gonna happen. You gotta be a little off to
go in there and know that you're gonna get punched
and elbowed and kicked in your head. You gotta be
off when you know that a puck is gonna hit
you in your face and knock your teeth out, or
you could get hit with a blade, or you could
(32:58):
drop the gloves and start nucking right out there on
the ice. You gotta have a little bit off about
you if you are going to do full contact sports, period.
So why do we get so crazy and sensitive and
super moist about situations where dudes are sitting there being
who they are. You want to subdue people that you
(33:20):
want to see do what they're supposed to do, which
is a very very violent situation that you're talking about.
But yet and the violence of what it is that
they're doing, in the physicality of what they're doing, Oh,
you also want them to be very very subdued and
in control and understand that taunting of any sort of
any kind and show of emotion after you've done something
(33:43):
so physical and violent to somebody is inappropriate and unacceptable.
I find that to be very very hypocritical and and
quite weird. Really. It's Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe here Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knocks.
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Radio guys. It's been a a rough few weeks for
the Las Vegas Raiders. Obviously the situation that app with
John Gruden, uh, the the terrible situation involving Henry Ruggs,
and the latest is a cornerback Damon our Nett. Uh.
He was a first round pick in there was a
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video that serviced on social media and which he's pointing
a gun at the camera making death threats. Just a
bad look all the way around. He's been on I
R for a few weeks himself, but Damon Arnett was
released by the Raiders UH and Mike Mayock making the
swift decision there. Brady Quinn uh in another rough rough
(35:34):
go for the Raiders and in a season that you know,
outside of what happened against the Giants by the way,
plus three and a half courtesy and Knox locks outside
of what happened against the Giants, UM the Raiders are
a playoff team right now and been playing pretty good
football as it stands right now. They are. This division, though,
is one that's kind of crazy, right because you've got
(35:55):
the Broncos who are above five hundred, Chiefs, Raiders, and Chargers,
so a lot of a lot of winning football teams.
Who knows how it's gonna shape out. Look, there draft
class now is basically with one player that's contributing. Brian
(36:16):
Edwards their wide receiver, who, no doubt about it, has
been a hit, talented, he's had an impact. Everyone else,
I mean John Simpson, the offensive lineman out of Clemson.
He's a backup still could could contribute. But outside of
that man, it is not a draft class. When you
will look at their top picks that's netted anything. And
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I think when you go through the years of their
free agent acquisitions and some of the other pieces they've
had there, it's been the same thing during what was
John Gruden's tenure. So there, the truth of the matter is,
when you're a ten year, one hundred million dollar man,
you could put all you one on a general manager
and what his title is, but John Gruden was the
one making all the decisions on taking on these players.
(37:00):
He was the one who basically fell in love with
Alabama and Clemson and continually went back to that well
and wanted to bring in players that potentially had questions
about them off the field. And now we've kind of
find out how that's working out for this team. So, uh,
it's gonna be interesting to see how they, you know,
handle all this. Not that you know, Damon Arnette, as
(37:21):
you pointed out, was a huge contributor to this team
at that point, but time and time again, they've taken
chance on guys that hasn't worked out that will not
happen moving forward under Mike Mayock. If he's their general manager.
He's a no nonsense guy. I can imagine his frustration
when John Gruden was, you know, given the okay to
some guys that had a storied background or had some
(37:44):
issues coming in because this swift action by Mayock in
a lot of these cases, or even just moving on
from a player quickly or trading you know, a guy
like Lynn Bowden that all has a stamp of Mike Mayock.
Not so much John Gruden. You know, I think all
of these teams in the a f C West are
facing um trying times. Uh, the Chargers are are not
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at with the Raiders. The Chiefs are are at the
same record. I mean, the Broncos. Everybody's got the same
record pretty much. I mean Raiders have played you know,
I mean Raiders and the Charges are one game behind.
But I mean it's the same thing. And and so
here's this word that you've been using, this that it's
a parody thing in the a f C West. And
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regardless of where things go in terms of what Mayak
does if he's still there, or what the new guy does,
this team right now is still in the hunt and
in a division where, um, there's an identity crisis, there's
some type of crisis going on in Kansas City. They're
they're not doing well offensively, they're finding a way to win,
but I mean they're not doing well. You know. The
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Broncos are inconsistent, but they found a way to get
the five victories. The Argers are inconsistent, but they look
really good. But now they seem to be cooling off.
It's kind of the same narrative, maybe different variables, but
it's kind of the same narrative. I think it makes
for great great television, great reality TV. And it'll be
interesting to see how excuse me, the Las Vegas Raiders
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finished out, because a lot of it will have to
do with the leadership that's coming from Mayok. Do you
guys think it's a good division or just competitive? Because
I mean I actually think it's gonna be really fun
to your point, Lavard, to watch the same play out
down the stretch, because I have no idea who's going
to come away with the Broncos play how they did
versus Dallas every week. Yeah, I think it's a good division,
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but right now it just looks like it's competitive. It's
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