February 21, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz talk about LeBron James passing Michael Jordan for most 40 point games after turning 40, the fallout from the voided Mark Williams trade with the Hornets, what is next for Sam Darnold, and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
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Speaker 4 (00:57):
So your guy? Is it fair to say your guy Lebron?
Is that a fair statement?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I like the Lakers. I like Lebron. I'm always like Lebron.
I thought that, you know, he gets so much grief
for the decision, which is I mean, in hindsight, I
think he doesn't want to do it. But I don't
understand that all the grief he gets for that. I mean,
he made it. This's weird whatever. Yes, I like Lebron.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I think it was taken too far
the decision people that do not by the people.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
By the people that didn't like it. I get it.
I get some of the you know, the reaction. You
can think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You're Cleveland, you know, and you finally have this superstar,
this megastar, Lebron, and he's just teasing you, like like
John Moran and the Dunk Contest, you know, like, hey,
I might come back to Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know, I might do the Dunk contest.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He's doing that so at a much greater scale with Lebron,
and then at the last minute he's like, I'm out
of here, South Beach, baby.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I can see how you would be bent over that.
Totally understand.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I understand almost a brownsman, I do. I understand why
why they're upset. I don't understand why the rest of
the country doesn't seem to like him. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I know, I thought I thought the negativity went
way too far if you're not a Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He's been in the limelight since he was what like sixteen,
and he has made like no mistakes ever, no scandals,
like nothing. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It is incredible, and that can't be undersold because think
about you, me, anybody listening. You're a teenager, you're famous,
You've got millions of dollars, You've got everybody in your
ear telling you how awesome you are. Do you know
how easy it would be to get off track, yeah,
and do something incredibly stupid, And he didn't do it.
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He's never been in trouble with the law, major trouble,
doing something.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Off the cord, just nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Know, he's been a grown up this whole time as
far as you know, avoiding problems like that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So yeah, give them credit.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I doubt that I would have been as good as
he was in those shoes, Right, What do you think
you'd be doing in those shoes?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Jeff?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Uh? Yeah? Not. I mean I was never a trouble maker,
but I feel like I wouldn't know what to do
with yeah, being that famous that early in my life. Yeah,
not that I'm famous now now that I know what
to do with it. Hey, no fame here.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
People recognize your face, as we found out in Biloxi, Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You know, yeah, I think they're like, I sort of like,
you must have played offensive line somewhere. I'm not sure,
like it's a real like people are like, that's Jeff Schwartz.
I think they're like, you look sort of familiar. You
look like the generic white offensive linemen, right, which one
are you?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's your level of famous? You look like you probably
played old line?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Is that is that true? Didn't you? Yeah? It's true.
I did.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Uh Well, here's a little piece of the game. Last
night Lakers beat the Blazers' and Lebron had a nice night, right, Yeah,
forty went for forty. So let's hear from Spectrum Sports
and that check this out.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Big spot light.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Lebron once again.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Can't stop it.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
James with thirty six. Yeah, he ended up with forty.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Bill McDonald on the call, the Great Bill McDonald coop disagrees.
We'll get to that in a second here, but yeah,
Lebron goes for forty. He's forty years old, so now
he's got two forty point games of at least forty
years old. So he used topasses Michael Jordan, So that's
the big you know, talking point after this one. Listen Jeff,
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I know you're a Lebron guy, and this is gonna
sound unnecessarily negative.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh, here we go again. Sorry, I know you' Jordan.
Let's say the Jordan thing here. I want to hear
I want to hear it. That's here.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I know you're going with some I'm sort of rude
calling about Lebron's career based.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
On that rude, it's not it's gonna sound unnecessarily negative,
but it's true. Okay, Lebron has scored the most points
in the history of the NBA and that is an
outstanding accomplishment. All right, Let nothing that I say distract
from that fact.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Thank you, Lorena.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Let the positivity be highlighted, Let it rain down over here,
the positivity.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But it can't be underestimated.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Lebron is the leading scorer in the history of the NBA,
and that's awesome. But a night like last night against
the Blazers, when he goes for forty points and he's
at least forty years old, that's awesome too. But the
thing is, we can't get it twisted, and people often do.
Where Lebron is the all time leading scorer, he's not
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close to the scorer that Michael Jordan was. Michael Jordan
was a ten times scoring championing the most points in
ten different seasons. Lebron did it once one time. So
that's all I ask is, let's not get it twisted
and be misled that Lebron has scored the most points
in the history of the NBA and throughout his career,
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which is awesome, just in terms of pure scoring ability.
Ten time champ to a one time scoring champ, there's
no comparison in the scoring department. None and Lebron he's
a scoring compiler. And that's the part that sounds unnecessarily negative,
but it's absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And I say that with no emotion. That's just the
way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And so I have give him credit for being the
all time leading scorer and half I have to be
real and say he's compiled these numbers over a long
career and shout out to him for lasting this long.
But to think that he's one of these pure scorers,
one of the top scorers in the league, No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He never has been.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
He's just been done a great job of staying in
the league as long as he has.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's the truth. I'm sorry, what was at forty?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Was Jordan's scoring forty points a game?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, he did it once with the Wiz. You know,
he's got one of them under his belt.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I'm just I'm just curious. Yeah, tell a like a hater.
So that's what I get from that, the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I know it's gonna sound like that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Does anyone thinks does anyone think that Lebron was a
better scorer than Jordan? He has more points than Jordan,
that's because he played longer. But I'm not sure. I
don't even know who you're arguing with here. Who is
like on record of being like, you know what, that
Lebron's a better score. I'm not sure anyone argues that.
Who arguing with?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know as well as I do that many people
will point to Lebron being the all time leading scorer,
and they're like, all right, he's got this, he's got this,
he's got he's got all time leading scorer, he's even
got scoring. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I feel like those people are not worth maybe arguing with,
you know, like.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
They're fair enough. I'm not even arguing with the I
just hear it. I hear that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You hear it, Yeah, your your ears ears the street,
you hear it, you hear it.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
So you don't hear that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Uh, you've never heard someone's like all time leading scorer
Lebron James. I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Uh, I don't know if I if I if I
live in those streets right where, that's like information that
that I that I often get to hear. Okay, so no,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, sleep is very important to LBJ.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hear this last night. So this is after the forty
point game. Very nice performance against the Blazers, second night
of a back to back. By the way, a lot
of people thought Lebron wouldn't know, I mean he did.
Shout out to him again, more positivity, Jeff, don't let
it gloss over.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I did not wager on the game, by the way,
I did not. I did not follow thee.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I followed the advice straight down the path of a
losing wager.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But hey, do it, if.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You keep following our guy Bill Krack adviser's advice, you're
gonna be on the plus side.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, can't be like, hey, what's up with it? No, No,
you can't be that guy.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh you sure he can't know, but this is Lebron
talking about the importance of sleep.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Jeff, check this out.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think it will sleep still. You know.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
We did it in at three, but I'll slept all
the way till about eleven thirty this morning. Got some
rehab after that for about an hour and a half
two hours, and I'll slept again for about two and
a half more hours. I usually catch the first bus
over here. Oh, but my body was like, no, not
the first bus.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I called.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
The last bus got ready for the game mentally and
physically when I got here, and they would get a
good role win.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And good for him, you know, Lebron, he he might
be enjoying this the most out of his entire NBA career. Jeff,
think about this because he loves he loves it. Who
doesn't He loves when people are like, Lebron, how are
you doing this man forty years old? And he's like,
you know, I am kind of surprising myself. I gotta
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be honest, though I'm not quite sure he loves this
man he can't get enough.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I think he does as well. Of course he does.
It's it's good for his ego obviously, to be playing
as well as he is at this age. So yes,
of course he's loving it, but that to me doesn't
change obviously the fact of what he's doing is is
rather remarkable. It is. The question is obviously, you know
the Lakers going to get to where they want to
go this year? I don't think so. But still it's
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it's been fun to watch, and you know, we'll see
the second half goes. It's not even the second half
like fifty five games. I know one of the nbah
doesn't that mentioned you All Star weekend in the week
between the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, right, just do it
a little bit earlier, just fight like like have the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's like, okay, you stole Christmas, here's the the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Here's All Star weekend in your face, NFL.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, what do you make of the Mark Williams situation?
So Mark Williams seven hornets was uh, you know, traded
to the Lakers, and then the Lakers did did the
physical found something wrong that they determine was wrong, they
avoided the trade. His agent came out yesterday, Jeff Schwartz.
By the way, Jeff, with the g nice you came
out yesterday and said basically that they consulted with a
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bunch of doctors, the Lakers should not have have avoided
uh that deal, that he was fine. So people turned
to the idea the Lakers thought they got fleeced in
the trade and decided to to you know, to avoid
Mark Williams by I don't really how were they fleeced
in the trade? I don't. I don't understand that line
of thought saying the Lakers thought maybe that they did
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not get a you know they they got. They think
the deal wasn't good enough for them, so they basically canceled.
I I don't, I don't why would the Lakers say
they got fleeced in that deal. I think they just
thought something was wrong with them and they to move
on too.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, that's how.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's not like they're like, we'll give you four first
round picks from Mark Williams and then they're like, whoa,
what the what are we doing? Like we can't do this,
Like that's that's not what they were giving up. Like
Dalton Connect is a good player? You like Dalton Connect?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Like I do. I look at your ticket on him,
which is probably not gonna hit. But yeah, I like him, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But he's been he's had a good season, he's got
a pretty good future, so it looks that way. So yeah,
I mean I don't think that the Lakers were like, Okay,
that Dalton connect part of that deal, and they're like
what are we.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like they need frontline help, they need bigs, like they
don't have that.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
My guess is that there was a genetic issue and
they were like, we're just we want to time to
a long term contract. This is just not worth it
right now, you know, like it's just we just can't
do this trade. And they wanted to adjust and if
they had, if they had done the trade earlier, they
could have probably adjusted the terms. But since it was
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already done, I think that was like that was it,
Like that just was the train and they just work
at a risk. They just could live with what they
ended up with. So I it stucks the Laker fan.
I wish Mark Wims on the Lakers. I'm sure the
Lakers wish he was on the Lakers too, but they
probably were looking to, you know, long term deal with him.
I mean, if they found something on the physical that
is a red flag that you just can't.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Do that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, I believe that one. I don't think there's anything
that's We do this all the time. We're very cynical,
and there are times where it makes sense to be
cynical where you're like, wait a minute, that's they give
us some explanation and you're like, that doesn't make sense.
There's something more to this. I don't think this is
that right. And I really do believe they're like, yeah,
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this this could be a problem down the road with
the knee injury. And I totally get the other side
where the agent is like, what's wrong with the knee?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
The knee is fine? What are they talking about?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think both arguments make sense. If that's your client,
of course you're gonna be like, what knee problem? You
can't eat?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Fine?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
If you're the Lakers, you're like like, I don't know, man,
it's like a card. You're hearing a noise. You're like,
it could be a problem down the road. Yeah, I
don't go cynical on that one.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I don't either. I think they would. I would play
him and keep him if they if they thought he
was you know, for the future. I mean, like, I
think you have to.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No I do too, I do too, all right, he's
Jeff Schwartz, the non agent, right, does that guy the
agent spell it the same way?
Speaker 5 (14:26):
No, Jeff Jeff for the j which is really is
just the wrong way to do it. But I appreciated
for his client anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, yeah, you uh, you know, you're kind of like,
if you think about it, the ironic twist here, because
you're so anti Android, right, like you hate all things
Android phones.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
It's mostly because you ruin our text thread with it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I know, the hardships, it's it's green, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
The actually also don't the links don't come through properly,
like it's just a real it's a real mess.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I know, I'm just ruining your life.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
But the twist is you're the way you spelled Jeff.
You're sort of like an Android user. You know, you're
in the minority. There are way more j Jeffs than
g Jeff's.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Probably there have to be, I would imagine, So I
don't count, but yeah, it's probably probably fair to say that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm pretty sure that's the case. I don't have an
official count, but I run across.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Android is more than that iPhone, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, it is, which is crazy to me, but in
the States not so much.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Man's Team iPhone. All right, He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm Brian know we're in for two Pros and a
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian, though. We're in for two
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Speaker 4 (16:12):
So, Jeff, I'm sure you saw this.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Zach Martin of the Dallas Cowboys he retires. He had
met with Jerry Jones, said yeah, Jerry, I is it
for me? And what it decorated career? My gosh, so
nine time Pro bowler in his eleven years with the Cowboys,
he was a seven time first team All Pro and
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so he's going to hang him up, obviously going to
be a Pro Football Hall of Famer. But you know
what it makes me think of was Johnny Manzel Remember
the draft where the Jerry Jones is like, man, I
kind of like this Johnny Manziel guy. And then smarter
heads prevailed, right and they're like, no, we're not doing that, Jerry.
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Let's take Zach Martin, who was a stud for eleven years,
you know, worked out quite better than Johnny Manzil would have.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I like, how you I managed that? We've been notre
dame off. It's a lineman discussion today. Now, Zach marn
the stat that defines his career, and of course were
off its linement. It's hard sometimes to have stats that
define your career is that he had less holding penalties
than all pros.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
How crazy?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Which is which is pretty crazy. Zach Martin will walk
right into the Hall of Fame immediately. You know, we'll
passco he'll get his gold jacket. You could argue that
outside of your quarterback and maybe Aaron Donald is in
discussion with Zach Martin is the best non quarterback of
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his generation. Incredibly solid. I put a video out yesterday
at Jeff Shorts Jeff for the g On on Twitter,
showing from the twenty nineteen season. I remember I posted
this back in twenty twenty of us every explosive run
or pass play for Zeke Elliott that season was behind
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Zach Martin.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Oh nice, yeah, sure, it just was.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
It just he was that type of player where you
needed a play, you went to Zach Martin, and yes,
right in the Hall of Fame. Look, the I know
the offensive line community at times it gets into it
with analytics, right because you have to sort of have
to watch offensive line, the great offensive line. And I'm
not saying that they don't do it, but we often have,
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you know, arguments with with those companies about grades and whatnot.
And no argument with with PFF for Zach Martin. But
I really think this generation of offensive lineman is going
to benefit from having Pro Football Focus because it puts
a grade and number on a career, right because you again,
for offensive alignment, you're not gonna go the amount of
pancakes you have, and there's just there's no stat except
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now you can say, hey man, you know, I guess
all pros wood count as a staff. But he said, well,
he was also the highest grade Offensivelignman, he was this
and that. So it's gonna help players in this generation,
especially guy like Lane Johnson. In my opinion, who right tackles.
There's one in the National you know, in the profoble
Hall of Fame. I think it's Jackie Slater. Otherwise there's
no other true right tackle in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Willie Anderson's trying to get in, and I think he should,
but like Lane Johnson's getting in the Hall of Fame.
And a lot of that has to do with with
the greats, with the Probo Bowl focus and people paying
attention to pressures and and you know, and run block,
great stuff like that, and Zach Barden of course, you
know the Pro Bowls and the All Pros, but just
as great every year. And the way we talk about him,
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knowing what he did with pressures allowed and sacks allowed
and penalties, all those things really really beneficial to talking
about his career.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, totally agree, because man, you think about that, You're right,
there aren't many stats for o linemen.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Proves honest, to be honest with you, it's all right, but.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's a completely stats driven sports world right now.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yes, it's also just like it's hard because again, when
you have All Pro essentially is what's always been right,
and that's not always fair because you know, to give
a year. You know, there was a time where you know,
just when I when I was a kid, Okay, there
were it was Jonathan Augden, Walter Jones, Willie RoAF, Tony
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BISSELLI yeah, I mean only two All Pro slots for
left tackle, right, like like you could be a Hall
of Famer and just be the third best Hall of
Famer and.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That in that era the area.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, oh in Orlando Pace, so five five Hall of
Famers were left tackle and during that time period, now
you know, they overlapped a couple of years of you know,
some some guys were you know, Willie RoAF was sort
of coming out when we know when Walter Jones was
coming in. But still, like the point stance, he had
five Hall of Famers during that time, and it's hard
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for guy like Tony Biselli, who finally made it in.
You know, there were no grades, there were no stats
that his stat was that he was the first team
All Pro with four other Hall of Famers playing at
the same time. It's hard. So you know, being able
to at least put stats to offensive line now, I
think is really helpful for how we discussed the legacy
of those players. But Zach Martin incredible career and Cowboys
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hit a home run with that draft pick. I am
surprised he did maybe give it a go for a
year or two to win a championship somewhere. I'm sure
there were championship caliber teams that would have given him
a call. Hey, manually coming for a year. But I
think what's I'll say it's about you know, it's time
to retire. It's time to retire. You know, Yeah, you
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don't want to play in the NFL with any thought
of should I retire, should I not play? You have
to be all in or all out. And so if
Jack Martin determined he's all out, man, good for him.
He's had an incredible career, He's made a lot of money,
and now he gets to enjoy the fruits of that.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Labor man especially in the trenches too. You know, it's
one thing to say, Hey, I'm a wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know, I'm a dB.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I'm a corner, you know, like, do I give it
one more go? That's a lot different than I play
offensive guard, like, do I give it another go?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
If you're starting to think like he's been beat.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Up too, He's been beat up the last couple of
years as well. And you know, those injuries take a toll.
It's not just being injured, guys. It's not just a
physical pain, which is not often the issue. It's just
a mental strain of rehab and and you know, you know,
you get your off season right now. You play all
year for a little bit of a break, and that
break is just used up by rehab, and it's in
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a cycle. Sometimes gets overwhelming and you just decide, hey, man,
I've done my career. I play as long as I
want to play. I'm done.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, and you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The stat that blows my mind is Zach Martin only
had seven accepted holding penalties in his entire career.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Think about that, only seven.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like you, you could have a couple of game, you know,
you could have seven in a season like easy, and
he had seven throughout his entire career. I still go
back to that twenty fourteen draft. This is some of
my favorite audio of all time, Jeff. It is the
Cleveland Browns draft party. Okay, oh yeah, so the Cowboys
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they could have taken Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
They didn't. They took Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He's the guy we were just waxing poetic about, you know,
seven time All Pro first team all that the Cowboys
could have drafted Johnny Manziel. They didn't. The Browns drafted
Johnny Manziel, as we know. And this was the draft party,
the ESPN Cleveland Draft party when the Browns took Johnny Manzel.
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Listen to the glee, just the outright joy of we
think we found our savior at quarterback and knowing how
it turned out. This is some of my favorite audio.
Check this out we did.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
The Cleveland I love the guy at the end is
my favorite.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Just the So my brother played with Manzel in Cleveland
and he has ted on record to me in public
that like, Benzel could have been really good if he
fow all care. He said he was. He made some
plays where we're like, okay, I see it, but just
never committed mentally to be as good as he needed
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to do. I mean, he's talked about before, but Manziel
hasn't in that special like the talent was there, Mitch,
all the talents, It's just it takes more talent to win,
to be good National Football League.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You got to be an adult, you know, and Johnny
was not close to an adult at that time.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You don't really think about this in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I never really thought about it like this, But we
were just talking about Lebron and like being as great
as he was, as young as he was, having as
much money as he did, as much fame as he did,
and he handled it great. You look at the opposite
of that, it would be Johnny football right where he
had money, he had fame, he had attention, he had
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all the first round pick, yeah yeah, and he.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Just he didn't come close to handling it the right way.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
What was the story?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Where did he go to Vegas and missed practice and
like all this random stuff. It's like, bro, what are
you doing? You're not being a pro at all. He
wasn't close to just in terms of being a pro
Lebron was. He's on an elite short list like Johnny
Manziel's nowhere close to that.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's unfortunate because a guy with talent, you got to
wake up one day for many days and be like,
what was I doing? Where would my life be right now?
If I was just smart about my approach to like
my profession. He's got to think that I would. Wouldn't
you think about that constantly?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Now? I'm sure he does. I don't know, you know, success,
I don't know if he's had success post playing career.
I mean, I don't know, you know, the money wise
and whatnot. But yes, you probably would think. I mean,
I had eight plenty of years. I think sometimes like, man,
could I done more? You know, could I up the
injuries were? I can't control most of the injuries I had,
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but I I've often thought about those things. And I
was a seventh round pick. We played eight seasons, so uh,
pretty good. I can't imagine, you know, if your first
round picking in his the career he had and not
have those same thoughts that I have.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But it does make me think also if you apply
this twenty fourteen draft, if you think about it with
the upcoming NFL draft, who's the team like Cleveland who says, man,
we need a quarterback. I mean, let's just give it
a go, and it just it doesn't work out. The
Cowboys could have been that team that, like Jerry Jones
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wanted Johnny Manzel. Jerry Jones regretted for a short time
not taking Johnny Manziel, and it turned out to be
one of the best things the Cowboys ever did. Zach
Martin was the stud for over a decade. Johnny Manziel
was never close to a stud. And it does make
me wonder maybe the twenty eleven draft we saw this
back then, Jeff, if you look at the twenty eleven
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draft thinking about the upcoming one, does it turn into
that a bit? If cam Ward and Shaduur are high
picks and they don't pan out, there is some top talent,
like these top tens in NFL drafts typically have a
lot of talent. Okay, this one is no different than others.
But you look at this twenty eleven draft, Jeff. Outside
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of most of the quarterbacks, there were studs, you know,
like all time studs, some Hall of famers there, And
it's just funny if you read this list, listen to
the quarterbacks here. So cam Ward had a good career, right, MVP,
that was not a failed draft pick at all. But
then you go, it went von Miller still in the league,
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right with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Marcel Darius was good.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Aj Green really good receiver with the Bengals for a
lot of years. Patrick Peterson was a stud with Arizona,
Julio Jones stud with the Falcons. Alden Smith, whose career
started off great, yeah, and he just he had made
some bad decisions off the field, but a great start
for multiple seasons to his career. Then there was Jake
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Locker never worked out, Tyron Smith, outstanding offensive lineman with
the Cowboys. Then there was Blaine Gabbert. Then there was
some guy named j. J. Watt, and then there was
Christian Ponder. You know, like it was just funny. These
quarterbacks totally fizzled out outside of a cam Ward and
there were just stud nine quarterbacks, one after another after another.
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And listen, man, I know you got to solve your
quarterback problem.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
But that's the risk you take and this draft.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If you're like, you know what, let's let's just give
it a go with Shador and he might pan out.
But if he doesn't, what you bypassed could be an
all time Hall of Fame type player.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
That's the risk you run there.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
That's what Tennessee has to figure out, right, Like at one,
is Travis Hunter so good that we cannot pass on him?
That quarterback? Later is Abdul Carter. The passwords for pen say,
is he's so good that we can't I mean Travis Hunter,
guys is I know, I don't. I don't get the
hate for him as well. I think it's a d
on thing. People just don't like Colorado. Say just Travis
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Hunter is not Shudur, is not Dian's his own guy.
He's He's a seemed by all accounts, seems great. He
is the bestotball player in College of ball last season. Yeah,
people say he's a stack compiler, Well just watch him play.
Man is a different, different player than everyone else in
the field.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Lebron is not not Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Like Lebron is stock compiler. Yes, of course Lebron's known
stock compiler. A guy is still playing at forty years old.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, that's still multiple nuts.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
In a row. And I he you can make the
case he's that special. He will be the highest graded player.
You know, if you go best player available, then then
that's Travis Hunter. If you go Kneed, that would be
cam Ward. So yeah, it's a tough decision. It's why
those gentlemans get paid a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Right, But I also think they they reason like this
where It's like, which are we going to kick ourselves
about more?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Is it? Well? Right?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I mean, if Kim Moore becomes good for the Giants gissed?
Was cam Ward well? Also to like afrag the season
in three weeks? I think because the Tennessee goes and
get Sam Donald for a year, then that solves their problem,
right that Dnald and get Travis Hunter then figure out
quarterback after a season, So I think it makes some moves.
Aaron Rodgers. I guess it's just not a robust quarterback
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for agent market, but there never is because teams just
signed their own guys.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
That's right, That's right, you know, let's dive into that.
Coming up next, he's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian No. We're
in for two pros and a cup of Joe. Right here,
A franchise has made a really interesting statement about one
of its players, and do you agree with this approach
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It's two pros and a cup of Joe. He's Jeff Schwartz.
I'm Brian No. We're in for the guys here on
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you live from the Tirack
dot Com studios. Man, I'm curious what you think about
this story here, Jeff, So your guys, Sam Darnald, you
know where you're not an uber Sam Darnold fan. You've
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been on record saying that the Vikings have to move on,
which I agree with.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right, it was right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Here's the interesting scenario, So the Vikings could franchise tag
Sam Donald Kevin O'Connell. During Super Bowl Week, the head
coach of the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, said that Donald has
earned the right to free agency. Where you start to
think about that and you read between the lines, and
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on one hand, it's like, well, we we don't really
want to slap the franchise tag on him and him
be our guy for another season at the twoe of
forty one point three million dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Right, we've got JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The other part of this is, let's say they they
slapped a franchise tag on him, and then they tried
to trade him. It's an honest question, how much do
you think another team would be willing to give the
Vikings in a trade? And that's the thing is depending
on the exact tag. Right, No one's giving two first
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round picks for Sam Donald. Let's start with that. So
if you put a different tag on him, you could
lose him for nothing. You're probably just gonna let him go,
get a compensatory pick and call it a day, because
I think that's your only real course of action. It's
it's long term extension for Sam Darnold, or it's let
him go.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And it looks like they're gonna let him go.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah, the franchise tag. See the problem is if you
franchise him, Brian, you're on the hook for that money.
Like he's right, if he signs that deal, dude, Like
that's it, you're on the hook for that money. And again,
like the thing about about trading him is like, who's
who's doing it? Right? We just talked about the teams
that might need a quarterback, but they also might just
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draft a quarterback, right, So I think he's just you
want you know, people will say, well, you know, franchise
tag here because you can get something in return, right,
you want something in return, But the truth is you
might not give you for a return like that's part
of life. Like in the NFL, you might not get
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a return. And is it worth being stuck with Sam Donald?
Are getting a return?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like, that's the risk involved here, and I would argue
that it's not worth it. It's not all worth it,
So yeah, he's gonna walk. You drafted McCarthy for a reason.
It frustrates the heck out of me. How and I
understand moving on from draft picks as soon as you
know if they're good or bad. We don't think about
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McCarthy yet. He's never played a football game yet and
you drafted him a year ago. Why would your priors
move off of him because Sam Donald played well? Right,
The answer is it should move off of him, like
there's no there's no actual reason to off of them.
It's just he didn't play, so your prior should still
be there. You should still think to yourself, he's my
franchise guy. We've got to play it now.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
That's it, right, And I look at it where it's
funny because there are two schools of thought.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Right, You could look.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
At this and say, hey, Sam Donald played really well
throughout most of the season, thirty five touchdown passes, pretty
good season, right among the league leaders, and any categories.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You could look at this and say that's great except
when it mattered most, and he was freaking brutal, Okay,
like the last regular season game against the Lions, the
playoff game against the Rams.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
He was brutal when it counted most.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And I would look at this where you could say,
what was Sam Darnald before the Vikings? What was he
before Kevin O'Connell as his head coach, Justin Jefferson, you
know Dj Hawkinson, all these guys to throw to.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So, if anything, I would be more optimistic that JJ
McCarthy can be a real player for you, because Sam
Darnald was never a player for anybody in his entire
NFL career until he got to Minnesota. So why would
I believe something similar couldn't happen with JJ McCarthy, a
guy they drafted for a reason. I would move off
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of Sam. This is the the I think this is
an honest question. I forget about the franchise tag. Forget
about all of that just for a second. If the
Vikings said, we're trading Sam Darnold, what draft compensation do
you think he would reasonably like fetch? What do you
think another team be willing to give up for Sam?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
A two?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I would imagine a conditional like maybe a conditional three.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I guess three and four? Yeah, a three that turns
to a two with the right Okay, something like that.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Does Does that feel fair?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
About? Yeah? I think it feels about fair.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
But that's the deal for anyone who's like, why would
they get rid of someone who is just really successful?
You don't know anything about JJ McCarthy. It's like, look
at the rest of the league. If there's a true
difference maker at quarterback and that team is like, yeah,
we're trading him, a true difference maker is going to
get way more than a three that could convert to
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a two, you know what I mean? Like a second
round pick for a like a top ten difference making quarterback.
That's stealing. That's about what Sam would get because he's
not that guy. He's not a true difference maker. I
think he's more Geno Smith, right. We saw this with
Gino very similar career path.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
This is what I said I think months ago. I
think that the comp is Geno here like it's and yeah,
I mean they did sign you know, Gino did sign
that short term deal. But that's about what I would
what I would pay, Like, that's that's about what I
would pay. If I was doing Donald, it'd be a
mid level deal.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Where do you think he's going Raiders?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Who I don't know, buddy. Yeah, See the thing about
Donald is again this is where the if the draft
was before free agency, we'd have a different answer for you.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think is interesting with the Raiders is Tom Brady
being a part of that organization. Yeah, so his fingerprints
are all over that. Do you see Brady saying, you know,
I think Sam Darnold is our best path forward here
I'm seeing that.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I know, I know it's a good question. I mean,
the Raiders are an option. I feel like you know
they're there. They are an option because you'd be like, well,
not just the quarterback, but can't do the Jets.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I know you can't.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
He's not going back home.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So that's where it goes, Jeff, you.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
There, I don't you know, there's always a surprise team,
Like there's a possibility someone decides to Jennis in their
quarterback that we don't know about yet and they end
up with with Sam Donald. But there's not a lot
of the only the the I guess the out of
the out of nowhere team would be the Niners don't
want to pay brock Party and they'll pay Sam Darnald
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instead a lower deal for Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Wow, he was there before, right, right, Yeah, he was
there like that.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
That would be that would be the that would be
the only one I can think of, like out of
nowhere where they decided to move right, I can't even
I'm kind of mumble. I don't know who else at
the moment I can see making it, making that making
that deal for Donald.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Right, it's and that's the thing too, is I think
we just get conditioned to like seeing the top of
the line quarterback deals. And but still, for Sam Darnald,
you gotta pay him a decent amount of money, even
though he took money away from himself those last two games,
You're still gonna have to pay him quite a bit
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compared to I mean, just look at Caleb Williams, the
number one overall pick last year. The entire value of
his rookie deal. It's a four year deal for we'll
call it forty dollars. That's what you have to pay
Sam per year.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
So if you're you're a team, You're like, if we're
in line to draft one of these guys, do we
think Sam is that guy?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Like much better than cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'd rather go cheap with the possibility of cam Ward
being as good as Sam instead of pay saying Sam,
like I have to pay Sam one year what I
would pay Cam the entire length of his rookie deal.
I'm team Cam instead of team Sam in that scenario.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yes, yeah, a young guy, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Yeah, it'll be interesting to see where Sam Darnold
ends up. Interesting stuff right there. We got a lot
to do right around the corner. He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm Brian.
No emotional betting is normally a really, really bad idea.
And man, we had the perfect storm scenario play out.
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Speaker 4 (00:57):
So your guy? Is it fair to say your guy Lebron?
Is that a fair statement?
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I like the Lakers. I like Lebron. I'm always like Lebron.
I thought that, you know, he gets so much grief
for the decision, which is I mean, in hindsight, I
think he doesn't want to do it. But I don't
understand that all the grief he gets for that. I mean,
he made it. This's weird whatever. Yes, I like Lebron.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, I mean I think it was taken too far
the decision people that do not by the people.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
By the people that didn't like it. I get it.
I get some of the you know, the reaction. You
can think about it.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
You're Cleveland, you know, and you finally have this superstar,
this megastar, Lebron, and he's just teasing you, like like
John Moran and the Dunk Contest, you know, like, hey,
I might come back to Cleveland.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know, I might do the Dunk contest.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
He's doing that so at a much greater scale with Lebron,
and then at the last minute he's like, I'm out
of here, South Beach, baby.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I can see how you would be bent over that.
Totally understand.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I understand almost a brownsman, I do. I understand why
why they're upset. I don't understand why the rest of
the country doesn't seem to like him. Sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, I know, I thought I thought the negativity went
way too far if you're not a Cleveland.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
He's been in the limelight since he was what like sixteen,
and he has made like no mistakes ever, no scandals,
like nothing. It's incredible.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It is incredible, and that can't be undersold because think
about you, me, anybody listening. You're a teenager, you're famous,
You've got millions of dollars, You've got everybody in your
ear telling you how awesome you are. Do you know
how easy it would be to get off track, yeah,
and do something incredibly stupid, And he didn't do it.
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He's never been in trouble with the law, major trouble,
doing something.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Off the cord, just nothing.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Know, he's been a grown up this whole time as
far as you know, avoiding problems like that.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
So yeah, give them credit.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I doubt that I would have been as good as
he was in those shoes, Right, What do you think
you'd be doing in those shoes?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Jeff?
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Uh? Yeah? Not. I mean I was never a trouble maker,
but I feel like I wouldn't know what to do
with yeah, being that famous that early in my life. Yeah,
not that I'm famous now now that I know what
to do with it. Hey, no fame here.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
People recognize your face, as we found out in Biloxi, Mississippi.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
You know, yeah, I think they're like, I sort of like,
you must have played offensive line somewhere. I'm not sure,
like it's a real like people are like, that's Jeff Schwartz.
I think they're like, you look sort of familiar. You
look like the generic white offensive linemen, right, which one
are you?
Speaker 3 (03:47):
That's your level of famous? You look like you probably
played old line?
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Is that is that true? Didn't you? Yeah? It's true.
I did.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Uh Well, here's a little piece of the game. Last
night Lakers beat the Blazers' and Lebron had a nice night, right, Yeah,
forty went for forty. So let's hear from Spectrum Sports
and that check this out.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Big spot light.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Lebron once again.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Can't stop it.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
James with thirty six. Yeah, he ended up with forty.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Bill McDonald on the call, the Great Bill McDonald coop disagrees.
We'll get to that in a second here, but yeah,
Lebron goes for forty. He's forty years old, so now
he's got two forty point games of at least forty
years old. So he used topasses Michael Jordan, So that's
the big you know, talking point after this one. Listen Jeff,
(04:45):
I know you're a Lebron guy, and this is gonna
sound unnecessarily negative.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
Oh, here we go again. Sorry, I know you' Jordan.
Let's say the Jordan thing here. I want to hear
I want to hear it. That's here.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
I know you're going with some I'm sort of rude
calling about Lebron's career based.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
On that rude, it's not it's gonna sound unnecessarily negative,
but it's true. Okay, Lebron has scored the most points
in the history of the NBA and that is an
outstanding accomplishment. All right, Let nothing that I say distract
from that fact.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Thank you, Lorena.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Let the positivity be highlighted, Let it rain down over here,
the positivity.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
But it can't be underestimated.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Lebron is the leading scorer in the history of the NBA,
and that's awesome. But a night like last night against
the Blazers, when he goes for forty points and he's
at least forty years old, that's awesome too. But the
thing is, we can't get it twisted, and people often do.
Where Lebron is the all time leading scorer, he's not
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close to the scorer that Michael Jordan was. Michael Jordan
was a ten times scoring championing the most points in
ten different seasons. Lebron did it once one time. So
that's all I ask is, let's not get it twisted
and be misled that Lebron has scored the most points
in the history of the NBA and throughout his career,
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which is awesome, just in terms of pure scoring ability.
Ten time champ to a one time scoring champ, there's
no comparison in the scoring department. None and Lebron he's
a scoring compiler. And that's the part that sounds unnecessarily negative,
but it's absolutely true.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
And I say that with no emotion. That's just the
way it is.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
And so I have give him credit for being the
all time leading scorer and half I have to be
real and say he's compiled these numbers over a long
career and shout out to him for lasting this long.
But to think that he's one of these pure scorers,
one of the top scorers in the league, No, he's not.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He never has been.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
He's just been done a great job of staying in
the league as long as he has.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's the truth. I'm sorry, what was at forty?
Speaker 5 (07:04):
Was Jordan's scoring forty points a game?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Well, he did it once with the Wiz. You know,
he's got one of them under his belt.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
I'm just I'm just curious. Yeah, tell a like a hater.
So that's what I get from that, the truth.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
I know it's gonna sound like that. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Does anyone thinks does anyone think that Lebron was a
better scorer than Jordan? He has more points than Jordan,
that's because he played longer. But I'm not sure. I
don't even know who you're arguing with here. Who is
like on record of being like, you know what, that
Lebron's a better score. I'm not sure anyone argues that.
Who arguing with?
Speaker 3 (07:37):
You know as well as I do that many people
will point to Lebron being the all time leading scorer,
and they're like, all right, he's got this, he's got this,
he's got he's got all time leading scorer, he's even
got scoring. It's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
I feel like those people are not worth maybe arguing with,
you know, like.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
They're fair enough. I'm not even arguing with the I
just hear it. I hear that.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
You hear it, Yeah, your your ears ears the street,
you hear it, you hear it.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
So you don't hear that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Uh, you've never heard someone's like all time leading scorer
Lebron James. I.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Uh, I don't know if I if I if I
live in those streets right where, that's like information that
that I that I often get to hear. Okay, so no,
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, sleep is very important to LBJ.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Hear this last night. So this is after the forty
point game. Very nice performance against the Blazers, second night
of a back to back. By the way, a lot
of people thought Lebron wouldn't know, I mean he did.
Shout out to him again, more positivity, Jeff, don't let
it gloss over.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
I did not wager on the game, by the way,
I did not. I did not follow thee.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I followed the advice straight down the path of a
losing wager.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
But hey, do it, if.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
You keep following our guy Bill Krack adviser's advice, you're
gonna be on the plus side.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Yeah, can't be like, hey, what's up with it? No, No,
you can't be that guy.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Oh you sure he can't know, but this is Lebron
talking about the importance of sleep.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Jeff, check this out.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
I think it will sleep still. You know.
Speaker 6 (09:11):
We did it in at three, but I'll slept all
the way till about eleven thirty this morning. Got some
rehab after that for about an hour and a half
two hours, and I'll slept again for about two and
a half more hours. I usually catch the first bus
over here. Oh, but my body was like, no, not
the first bus.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I called.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
The last bus got ready for the game mentally and
physically when I got here, and they would get a
good role win.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
And good for him, you know, Lebron, he he might
be enjoying this the most out of his entire NBA career. Jeff,
think about this because he loves he loves it. Who
doesn't He loves when people are like, Lebron, how are
you doing this man forty years old? And he's like,
you know, I am kind of surprising myself. I gotta
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be honest, though I'm not quite sure he loves this
man he can't get enough.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
I think he does as well. Of course he does.
It's it's good for his ego obviously, to be playing
as well as he is at this age. So yes,
of course he's loving it, but that to me doesn't
change obviously the fact of what he's doing is is
rather remarkable. It is. The question is obviously, you know
the Lakers going to get to where they want to
go this year? I don't think so. But still it's
(10:22):
it's been fun to watch, and you know, we'll see
the second half goes. It's not even the second half
like fifty five games. I know one of the nbah
doesn't that mentioned you All Star weekend in the week
between the super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
That's not a bad idea. Yeah, right, just do it
a little bit earlier, just fight like like have the
trade deadline.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
That's like, okay, you stole Christmas, here's the the trade deadline.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Here's All Star weekend in your face, NFL.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Yeah, what do you make of the Mark Williams situation?
So Mark Williams seven hornets was uh, you know, traded
to the Lakers, and then the Lakers did did the
physical found something wrong that they determine was wrong, they
avoided the trade. His agent came out yesterday, Jeff Schwartz.
By the way, Jeff, with the g nice you came
out yesterday and said basically that they consulted with a
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bunch of doctors, the Lakers should not have have avoided
uh that deal, that he was fine. So people turned
to the idea the Lakers thought they got fleeced in
the trade and decided to to you know, to avoid
Mark Williams by I don't really how were they fleeced
in the trade? I don't. I don't understand that line
of thought saying the Lakers thought maybe that they did
(11:35):
not get a you know they they got. They think
the deal wasn't good enough for them, so they basically canceled.
I I don't, I don't why would the Lakers say
they got fleeced in that deal. I think they just
thought something was wrong with them and they to move
on too.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
Yeah, that's how.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
It's not like they're like, we'll give you four first
round picks from Mark Williams and then they're like, whoa,
what the what are we doing? Like we can't do this,
Like that's that's not what they were giving up. Like
Dalton Connect is a good player? You like Dalton Connect?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Like I do. I look at your ticket on him,
which is probably not gonna hit. But yeah, I like him, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
But he's been he's had a good season, he's got
a pretty good future, so it looks that way. So yeah,
I mean I don't think that the Lakers were like, Okay,
that Dalton connect part of that deal, and they're like
what are we.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Like they need frontline help, they need bigs, like they
don't have that.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
My guess is that there was a genetic issue and
they were like, we're just we want to time to
a long term contract. This is just not worth it
right now, you know, like it's just we just can't
do this trade. And they wanted to adjust and if
they had, if they had done the trade earlier, they
could have probably adjusted the terms. But since it was
(12:56):
already done, I think that was like that was it,
Like that just was the train and they just work
at a risk. They just could live with what they
ended up with. So I it stucks the Laker fan.
I wish Mark Wims on the Lakers. I'm sure the
Lakers wish he was on the Lakers too, but they
probably were looking to, you know, long term deal with him.
I mean, if they found something on the physical that
is a red flag that you just can't.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Do that, right.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
No, I believe that one. I don't think there's anything
that's We do this all the time. We're very cynical,
and there are times where it makes sense to be
cynical where you're like, wait a minute, that's they give
us some explanation and you're like, that doesn't make sense.
There's something more to this. I don't think this is
that right. And I really do believe they're like, yeah,
(13:39):
this this could be a problem down the road with
the knee injury. And I totally get the other side
where the agent is like, what's wrong with the knee?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
The knee is fine? What are they talking about?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Right?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I think both arguments make sense. If that's your client,
of course you're gonna be like, what knee problem? You
can't eat?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Fine?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
If you're the Lakers, you're like like, I don't know, man,
it's like a card. You're hearing a noise. You're like,
it could be a problem down the road. Yeah, I
don't go cynical on that one.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
I don't either. I think they would. I would play
him and keep him if they if they thought he
was you know, for the future. I mean, like, I
think you have to.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
No I do too, I do too, all right, he's
Jeff Schwartz, the non agent, right, does that guy the
agent spell it the same way?
Speaker 5 (14:26):
No, Jeff Jeff for the j which is really is
just the wrong way to do it. But I appreciated
for his client anyways.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, yeah, you uh, you know, you're kind of like,
if you think about it, the ironic twist here, because
you're so anti Android, right, like you hate all things
Android phones.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
It's mostly because you ruin our text thread with it.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I know, the hardships, it's it's green, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
The actually also don't the links don't come through properly,
like it's just a real it's a real mess.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
I know, I'm just ruining your life.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
But the twist is you're the way you spelled Jeff.
You're sort of like an Android user. You know, you're
in the minority. There are way more j Jeffs than
g Jeff's.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Probably there have to be, I would imagine, So I
don't count, but yeah, it's probably probably fair to say that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I'm pretty sure that's the case. I don't have an
official count, but I run across.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Android is more than that iPhone, right, I think.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, it is, which is crazy to me, but in
the States not so much.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Man's Team iPhone. All right, He's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm Brian know we're in for two Pros and a
Cup of Joe coming up next? Could history repeat itself
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Speaker 3 (16:02):
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian, though. We're in for two
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Speaker 4 (16:12):
So, Jeff, I'm sure you saw this.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Zach Martin of the Dallas Cowboys he retires. He had
met with Jerry Jones, said yeah, Jerry, I is it
for me? And what it decorated career? My gosh, so
nine time Pro bowler in his eleven years with the Cowboys,
he was a seven time first team All Pro and
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so he's going to hang him up, obviously going to
be a Pro Football Hall of Famer. But you know
what it makes me think of was Johnny Manzel Remember
the draft where the Jerry Jones is like, man, I
kind of like this Johnny Manziel guy. And then smarter
heads prevailed, right and they're like, no, we're not doing that, Jerry.
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Let's take Zach Martin, who was a stud for eleven years,
you know, worked out quite better than Johnny Manzil would have.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I like, how you I managed that? We've been notre
dame off. It's a lineman discussion today. Now, Zach marn
the stat that defines his career, and of course were
off its linement. It's hard sometimes to have stats that
define your career is that he had less holding penalties
than all pros.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
How crazy?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Which is which is pretty crazy. Zach Martin will walk
right into the Hall of Fame immediately. You know, we'll
passco he'll get his gold jacket. You could argue that
outside of your quarterback and maybe Aaron Donald is in
discussion with Zach Martin is the best non quarterback of
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his generation. Incredibly solid. I put a video out yesterday
at Jeff Shorts Jeff for the g On on Twitter,
showing from the twenty nineteen season. I remember I posted
this back in twenty twenty of us every explosive run
or pass play for Zeke Elliott that season was behind
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Zach Martin.
Speaker 4 (18:08):
Oh nice, yeah, sure, it just was.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
It just he was that type of player where you
needed a play, you went to Zach Martin, and yes,
right in the Hall of Fame. Look, the I know
the offensive line community at times it gets into it
with analytics, right because you have to sort of have
to watch offensive line, the great offensive line. And I'm
not saying that they don't do it, but we often have,
(18:31):
you know, arguments with with those companies about grades and whatnot.
And no argument with with PFF for Zach Martin. But
I really think this generation of offensive lineman is going
to benefit from having Pro Football Focus because it puts
a grade and number on a career, right because you again,
for offensive alignment, you're not gonna go the amount of
pancakes you have, and there's just there's no stat except
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now you can say, hey man, you know, I guess
all pros wood count as a staff. But he said, well,
he was also the highest grade Offensivelignman, he was this
and that. So it's gonna help players in this generation,
especially guy like Lane Johnson. In my opinion, who right tackles.
There's one in the National you know, in the profoble
Hall of Fame. I think it's Jackie Slater. Otherwise there's
no other true right tackle in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
That's crazy.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Willie Anderson's trying to get in, and I think he should,
but like Lane Johnson's getting in the Hall of Fame.
And a lot of that has to do with with
the greats, with the Probo Bowl focus and people paying
attention to pressures and and you know, and run block,
great stuff like that, and Zach Barden of course, you
know the Pro Bowls and the All Pros, but just
as great every year. And the way we talk about him,
(19:34):
knowing what he did with pressures allowed and sacks allowed
and penalties, all those things really really beneficial to talking
about his career.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, totally agree, because man, you think about that, You're right,
there aren't many stats for o linemen.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Proves honest, to be honest with you, it's all right, but.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
It's a completely stats driven sports world right now.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yes, it's also just like it's hard because again, when
you have All Pro essentially is what's always been right,
and that's not always fair because you know, to give
a year. You know, there was a time where you know,
just when I when I was a kid, Okay, there
were it was Jonathan Augden, Walter Jones, Willie RoAF, Tony
(20:16):
BISSELLI yeah, I mean only two All Pro slots for
left tackle, right, like like you could be a Hall
of Famer and just be the third best Hall of
Famer and.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That in that era the area.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
Yeah, oh in Orlando Pace, so five five Hall of
Famers were left tackle and during that time period, now
you know, they overlapped a couple of years of you know,
some some guys were you know, Willie RoAF was sort
of coming out when we know when Walter Jones was
coming in. But still, like the point stance, he had
five Hall of Famers during that time, and it's hard
(20:52):
for guy like Tony Biselli, who finally made it in.
You know, there were no grades, there were no stats
that his stat was that he was the first team
All Pro with four other Hall of Famers playing at
the same time. It's hard. So you know, being able
to at least put stats to offensive line now, I
think is really helpful for how we discussed the legacy
of those players. But Zach Martin incredible career and Cowboys
(21:14):
hit a home run with that draft pick. I am
surprised he did maybe give it a go for a
year or two to win a championship somewhere. I'm sure
there were championship caliber teams that would have given him
a call. Hey, manually coming for a year. But I
think what's I'll say it's about you know, it's time
to retire. It's time to retire. You know, Yeah, you
(21:34):
don't want to play in the NFL with any thought
of should I retire, should I not play? You have
to be all in or all out. And so if
Jack Martin determined he's all out, man, good for him.
He's had an incredible career, He's made a lot of money,
and now he gets to enjoy the fruits of that.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Labor man especially in the trenches too. You know, it's
one thing to say, Hey, I'm a wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know, I'm a dB.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I'm a corner, you know, like, do I give it
one more go? That's a lot different than I play
offensive guard, like, do I give it another go?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
If you're starting to think like he's been beat.
Speaker 5 (22:09):
Up too, He's been beat up the last couple of
years as well. And you know, those injuries take a toll.
It's not just being injured, guys. It's not just a
physical pain, which is not often the issue. It's just
a mental strain of rehab and and you know, you know,
you get your off season right now. You play all
year for a little bit of a break, and that
break is just used up by rehab, and it's in
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a cycle. Sometimes gets overwhelming and you just decide, hey, man,
I've done my career. I play as long as I
want to play. I'm done.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Yeah, and you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
The stat that blows my mind is Zach Martin only
had seven accepted holding penalties in his entire career.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Think about that, only seven.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Like you, you could have a couple of game, you know,
you could have seven in a season like easy, and
he had seven throughout his entire career. I still go
back to that twenty fourteen draft. This is some of
my favorite audio of all time, Jeff. It is the
Cleveland Browns draft party. Okay, oh yeah, so the Cowboys
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they could have taken Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
They didn't. They took Zach Martin.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
He's the guy we were just waxing poetic about, you know,
seven time All Pro first team all that the Cowboys
could have drafted Johnny Manziel. They didn't. The Browns drafted
Johnny Manziel, as we know. And this was the draft party,
the ESPN Cleveland Draft party when the Browns took Johnny Manzel.
(23:41):
Listen to the glee, just the outright joy of we
think we found our savior at quarterback and knowing how
it turned out. This is some of my favorite audio.
Check this out we did.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
The Cleveland I love the guy at the end is
my favorite.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Just the So my brother played with Manzel in Cleveland
and he has ted on record to me in public
that like, Benzel could have been really good if he
fow all care. He said he was. He made some
plays where we're like, okay, I see it, but just
never committed mentally to be as good as he needed
(24:30):
to do. I mean, he's talked about before, but Manziel
hasn't in that special like the talent was there, Mitch,
all the talents, It's just it takes more talent to win,
to be good National Football League.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You got to be an adult, you know, and Johnny
was not close to an adult at that time.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
You don't really think about this in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I never really thought about it like this, But we
were just talking about Lebron and like being as great
as he was, as young as he was, having as
much money as he did, as much fame as he did,
and he handled it great. You look at the opposite
of that, it would be Johnny football right where he
had money, he had fame, he had attention, he had
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all the first round pick, yeah yeah, and he.
Speaker 4 (25:12):
Just he didn't come close to handling it the right way.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
What was the story?
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Where did he go to Vegas and missed practice and
like all this random stuff. It's like, bro, what are
you doing? You're not being a pro at all. He
wasn't close to just in terms of being a pro
Lebron was. He's on an elite short list like Johnny
Manziel's nowhere close to that.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
Man.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's unfortunate because a guy with talent, you got to
wake up one day for many days and be like,
what was I doing? Where would my life be right now?
If I was just smart about my approach to like
my profession. He's got to think that I would. Wouldn't
you think about that constantly?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Now? I'm sure he does. I don't know, you know, success,
I don't know if he's had success post playing career.
I mean, I don't know, you know, the money wise
and whatnot. But yes, you probably would think. I mean,
I had eight plenty of years. I think sometimes like, man,
could I done more? You know, could I up the
injuries were? I can't control most of the injuries I had,
(26:13):
but I I've often thought about those things. And I
was a seventh round pick. We played eight seasons, so uh,
pretty good. I can't imagine, you know, if your first
round picking in his the career he had and not
have those same thoughts that I have.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
But it does make me think also if you apply
this twenty fourteen draft, if you think about it with
the upcoming NFL draft, who's the team like Cleveland who says, man,
we need a quarterback. I mean, let's just give it
a go, and it just it doesn't work out. The
Cowboys could have been that team that, like Jerry Jones
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wanted Johnny Manzel. Jerry Jones regretted for a short time
not taking Johnny Manziel, and it turned out to be
one of the best things the Cowboys ever did. Zach
Martin was the stud for over a decade. Johnny Manziel
was never close to a stud. And it does make
me wonder maybe the twenty eleven draft we saw this
back then, Jeff, if you look at the twenty eleven
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draft thinking about the upcoming one, does it turn into
that a bit? If cam Ward and Shaduur are high
picks and they don't pan out, there is some top talent,
like these top tens in NFL drafts typically have a
lot of talent. Okay, this one is no different than others.
But you look at this twenty eleven draft, Jeff. Outside
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of most of the quarterbacks, there were studs, you know,
like all time studs, some Hall of famers there, And
it's just funny if you read this list, listen to
the quarterbacks here. So cam Ward had a good career, right, MVP,
that was not a failed draft pick at all. But
then you go, it went von Miller still in the league,
(27:52):
right with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Marcel Darius was good.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
Aj Green really good receiver with the Bengals for a
lot of years. Patrick Peterson was a stud with Arizona,
Julio Jones stud with the Falcons. Alden Smith, whose career
started off great, yeah, and he just he had made
some bad decisions off the field, but a great start
for multiple seasons to his career. Then there was Jake
(28:18):
Locker never worked out, Tyron Smith, outstanding offensive lineman with
the Cowboys. Then there was Blaine Gabbert. Then there was
some guy named j. J. Watt, and then there was
Christian Ponder. You know, like it was just funny. These
quarterbacks totally fizzled out outside of a cam Ward and
there were just stud nine quarterbacks, one after another after another.
(28:42):
And listen, man, I know you got to solve your
quarterback problem.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
But that's the risk you take and this draft.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
If you're like, you know what, let's let's just give
it a go with Shador and he might pan out.
But if he doesn't, what you bypassed could be an
all time Hall of Fame type player.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
That's the risk you run there.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
That's what Tennessee has to figure out, right, Like at one,
is Travis Hunter so good that we cannot pass on him?
That quarterback? Later is Abdul Carter. The passwords for pen say,
is he's so good that we can't I mean Travis Hunter,
guys is I know, I don't. I don't get the
hate for him as well. I think it's a d
on thing. People just don't like Colorado. Say just Travis
(29:23):
Hunter is not Shudur, is not Dian's his own guy.
He's He's a seemed by all accounts, seems great. He
is the bestotball player in College of ball last season. Yeah,
people say he's a stack compiler, Well just watch him play.
Man is a different, different player than everyone else in
the field.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Lebron is not not Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Like Lebron is stock compiler. Yes, of course Lebron's known
stock compiler. A guy is still playing at forty years old.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Yeah, that's still multiple nuts.
Speaker 5 (29:56):
In a row. And I he you can make the
case he's that special. He will be the highest graded player.
You know, if you go best player available, then then
that's Travis Hunter. If you go Kneed, that would be
cam Ward. So yeah, it's a tough decision. It's why
those gentlemans get paid a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Right, But I also think they they reason like this
where It's like, which are we going to kick ourselves
about more?
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Is it? Well? Right?
Speaker 5 (30:27):
I mean, if Kim Moore becomes good for the Giants gissed?
Was cam Ward well? Also to like afrag the season
in three weeks? I think because the Tennessee goes and
get Sam Donald for a year, then that solves their problem,
right that Dnald and get Travis Hunter then figure out
quarterback after a season, So I think it makes some moves.
Aaron Rodgers. I guess it's just not a robust quarterback
(30:47):
for agent market, but there never is because teams just
signed their own guys.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
That's right, That's right, you know, let's dive into that.
Coming up next, he's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian No. We're
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It's two pros and a cup of Joe. He's Jeff Schwartz.
I'm Brian No. We're in for the guys here on
Fox Sports Radio, coming to you live from the Tirack
dot Com studios. Man, I'm curious what you think about
this story here, Jeff, So your guys, Sam Darnald, you
know where you're not an uber Sam Darnold fan. You've
(31:46):
been on record saying that the Vikings have to move on,
which I agree with.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Right, it was right, Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Here's the interesting scenario, So the Vikings could franchise tag
Sam Donald Kevin O'Connell. During Super Bowl Week, the head
coach of the Vikings, Kevin O'Connell, said that Donald has
earned the right to free agency. Where you start to
think about that and you read between the lines, and
(32:16):
on one hand, it's like, well, we we don't really
want to slap the franchise tag on him and him
be our guy for another season at the twoe of
forty one point three million dollars.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Right, we've got JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
The other part of this is, let's say they they
slapped a franchise tag on him, and then they tried
to trade him. It's an honest question, how much do
you think another team would be willing to give the
Vikings in a trade? And that's the thing is depending
on the exact tag. Right, No one's giving two first
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round picks for Sam Donald. Let's start with that. So
if you put a different tag on him, you could
lose him for nothing. You're probably just gonna let him go,
get a compensatory pick and call it a day, because
I think that's your only real course of action. It's
it's long term extension for Sam Darnold, or it's let
him go.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
And it looks like they're gonna let him go.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
Yeah, the franchise tag. See the problem is if you
franchise him, Brian, you're on the hook for that money.
Like he's right, if he signs that deal, dude, Like
that's it, you're on the hook for that money. And again,
like the thing about about trading him is like, who's
who's doing it? Right? We just talked about the teams
that might need a quarterback, but they also might just
(33:36):
draft a quarterback, right, So I think he's just you
want you know, people will say, well, you know, franchise
tag here because you can get something in return, right,
you want something in return, But the truth is you
might not give you for a return like that's part
of life. Like in the NFL, you might not get
(33:57):
a return. And is it worth being stuck with Sam Donald?
Are getting a return?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Right?
Speaker 5 (34:02):
Like, that's the risk involved here, and I would argue
that it's not worth it. It's not all worth it,
So yeah, he's gonna walk. You drafted McCarthy for a reason.
It frustrates the heck out of me. How and I
understand moving on from draft picks as soon as you
know if they're good or bad. We don't think about
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McCarthy yet. He's never played a football game yet and
you drafted him a year ago. Why would your priors
move off of him because Sam Donald played well? Right,
The answer is it should move off of him, like
there's no there's no actual reason to off of them.
It's just he didn't play, so your prior should still
be there. You should still think to yourself, he's my
franchise guy. We've got to play it now.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
That's it, right, And I look at it where it's
funny because there are two schools of thought.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
Right, You could look.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
At this and say, hey, Sam Donald played really well
throughout most of the season, thirty five touchdown passes, pretty
good season, right among the league leaders, and any categories.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You could look at this and say that's great except
when it mattered most, and he was freaking brutal, Okay,
like the last regular season game against the Lions, the
playoff game against the Rams.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
He was brutal when it counted most.
Speaker 3 (35:14):
And I would look at this where you could say,
what was Sam Darnald before the Vikings? What was he
before Kevin O'Connell as his head coach, Justin Jefferson, you
know Dj Hawkinson, all these guys to throw to.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
He didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
So, if anything, I would be more optimistic that JJ
McCarthy can be a real player for you, because Sam
Darnald was never a player for anybody in his entire
NFL career until he got to Minnesota. So why would
I believe something similar couldn't happen with JJ McCarthy, a
guy they drafted for a reason. I would move off
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of Sam. This is the the I think this is
an honest question. I forget about the franchise tag. Forget
about all of that just for a second. If the
Vikings said, we're trading Sam Darnold, what draft compensation do
you think he would reasonably like fetch? What do you
think another team be willing to give up for Sam?
Speaker 4 (36:12):
A two?
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I would imagine a conditional like maybe a conditional three.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I guess three and four? Yeah, a three that turns
to a two with the right Okay, something like that.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
Does Does that feel fair?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
About? Yeah? I think it feels about fair.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
But that's the deal for anyone who's like, why would
they get rid of someone who is just really successful?
You don't know anything about JJ McCarthy. It's like, look
at the rest of the league. If there's a true
difference maker at quarterback and that team is like, yeah,
we're trading him, a true difference maker is going to
get way more than a three that could convert to
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a two, you know what I mean? Like a second
round pick for a like a top ten difference making quarterback.
That's stealing. That's about what Sam would get because he's
not that guy. He's not a true difference maker. I
think he's more Geno Smith, right. We saw this with
Gino very similar career path.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
This is what I said I think months ago. I
think that the comp is Geno here like it's and yeah,
I mean they did sign you know, Gino did sign
that short term deal. But that's about what I would
what I would pay, Like, that's that's about what I
would pay. If I was doing Donald, it'd be a
mid level deal.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Where do you think he's going Raiders?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Who I don't know, buddy. Yeah, See the thing about
Donald is again this is where the if the draft
was before free agency, we'd have a different answer for you.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I think is interesting with the Raiders is Tom Brady
being a part of that organization. Yeah, so his fingerprints
are all over that. Do you see Brady saying, you know,
I think Sam Darnold is our best path forward here
I'm seeing that.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I know, I know it's a good question. I mean,
the Raiders are an option. I feel like you know
they're there. They are an option because you'd be like, well,
not just the quarterback, but can't do the Jets.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I know you can't.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
He's not going back home.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
So that's where it goes, Jeff, you.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
There, I don't you know, there's always a surprise team,
Like there's a possibility someone decides to Jennis in their
quarterback that we don't know about yet and they end
up with with Sam Donald. But there's not a lot
of the only the the I guess the out of
the out of nowhere team would be the Niners don't
want to pay brock Party and they'll pay Sam Darnald
(38:42):
instead a lower deal for Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Wow, he was there before, right, right, Yeah, he was
there like that.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
That would be that would be the that would be
the only one I can think of, like out of
nowhere where they decided to move right, I can't even
I'm kind of mumble. I don't know who else at
the moment I can see making it, making that making
that deal for Donald.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Right, it's and that's the thing too, is I think
we just get conditioned to like seeing the top of
the line quarterback deals. And but still, for Sam Darnald,
you gotta pay him a decent amount of money, even
though he took money away from himself those last two games,
You're still gonna have to pay him quite a bit
(39:28):
compared to I mean, just look at Caleb Williams, the
number one overall pick last year. The entire value of
his rookie deal. It's a four year deal for we'll
call it forty dollars. That's what you have to pay
Sam per year.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
So if you're you're a team, You're like, if we're
in line to draft one of these guys, do we
think Sam is that guy?
Speaker 4 (39:52):
Like much better than cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
I'd rather go cheap with the possibility of cam Ward
being as good as Sam instead of pay saying Sam,
like I have to pay Sam one year what I
would pay Cam the entire length of his rookie deal.
I'm team Cam instead of team Sam in that scenario.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yes, yeah, a young guy, no doubt about it.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, Yeah, it'll be interesting to see where Sam Darnold
ends up. Interesting stuff right there. We got a lot
to do right around the corner. He's Jeff Schwartz, I'm Brian.
No emotional betting is normally a really, really bad idea.
And man, we had the perfect storm scenario play out.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
We'll give you details.
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