April 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz talked about Mavericks GM Nico Harrison saying in a private news conference that he has no regrets over the Luka Doncic trade to the Lakers, if the Tennessee Titans would have bigger regrets passing on Cam Ward or someone like Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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so made me think of We're the Millers. It's a
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movie with Jason's Dakis, very funny. Jennifer Aniston in that movie.
It's very good. But toward the end of that movie,
our guy Scottie p He said, what Nico Harrison, the
GM of the Mavericks notice said the other day, this
is great, This is great. This is Harrison right here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's my credo.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Don't regrets. Yeah, that's uh MAVs GM Nico Harrison, no
regrets on the Luka Doncicz trade. How embarrassing is this,
Jeff where apparently it was the UH Mavericks governor who
initiated He called the code red basically right. He called
for like this very invite only meeting with the media
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where John and Bob can be there, nobody else and
don't record it, like this is very hush hush behind
closed doors here. And that's where Nico Harrison said, Hey,
no regrets. Defense wins championships. We had a bunch of injuries.
No one can see my vision with Ad and Kyrie,
and as if those guys are typically healthy, which they aren't.
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So he stands by this. He can't say anything else, Jeff,
he can't say, you know what, now that we've had
a couple of months, I do regret trading him in
the first place, or not getting top value for the guy.
I can't say that. But don't be dumb enough to
buy this. He's not gonna sit here and be like, yeah,
you know what, I do have some regrets. He has to,
like pound the two. No regrets at all. Of course
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he has regrets. How could he not? How could you
be a GM and not regret trading Luca for top dollar.
You have to regret that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Of course of course he does. He's he he of
course he does there. There are a lot of things
that that happened like during COVID that I think, uh
non obviously obviously very serious things, but like the governor
thing happened during COVID. Right, they change the name from
owners to governors. I have is that the timeline card?
Is it before COVID That.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Not sure, but somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, they own the team, their owners of the team, Like, yeah,
call them owners. It's just it's some of those changes,
like it's just so silly to me, Like we can't
be adults about they own the team. That's the connotation.
They're owners of the of the NBA team that they owned,
that they bought, that's what they owned. They owned the player,
they own the team. So dumb governor's Okay, I am
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a Lakers fan. Okay, Brian, as we have noted many
times working together, I'll mention it Sunday, just everyone knows
again and tomorrow morning. I will never understand how this happened.
I'm very grateful what happened, but there's there's no way
to sell this. It's not like they traded away a
thirty seven year old. He is twenty five years old. Okay,
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defense was championships. Sure, SODA's making a lot of three
pointers and so to scoring one hundred and twenty five
thirty points a game. And you can build a team
around Luca that's really good defensively and let Luca be himself. Look,
you can do all those things are all possible in
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the NBA. Not every superstar is the best defender ever,
and that's okay. You build a team around that. Except
that's what a quality team does, right, Brian. You have deficiencies,
you find players to bring in to help those deficiencies,
and you roll with a superstar. And it's just shocking
they win this because it's such a short term high
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for the for Nico essentially to build this defensive team,
because they're not winning a championship with a d and
Kyrie and Klay Thompson. You're winning a championship with Luca
and whoever else around Luca. So it's still shocking this
trade happened. It's even more shocking when you know the
Lakers are I think are gonna play well this postseason
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outside of obviously Okac in Western Conference finals potentially and
Dallas is obviously. Now they's some injuries and whatnot. I
get that, but I mean fighting to make the postseason. Brian.
It's it's gonna be as one of the worst trades
in NBA history. And I don't know there's any explanation
it's ever gonna make sense to anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, but your point is is so good where there
are even superstar where you have drawbacks, right, like was
Tom Brady scrambling around like Lamar Jackson or anything.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Close to that?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, you build around, Yeah, but you build your team
around that. Look at Josh Allen, My mind goes to football.
Of course, how could it not, But the Bills quarterback.
This was popular last off season. There was talk that
he was overrated and oh you look at some of
the turnovers and it's it's like, bro, if you look
at all the turnovers, he had like forty four total touchdowns,
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Like the what would it be the twenty three season
when we're talking about it last offseason he had somewhere
around like forty four touchdowns and the total turnovers, It's like, dude,
he's You're coming out well ahead with the rushing ability,
the total touchdowns, the passing yardage, all that stuff. Yeah,
is there a dumb mistake here of their shirt you're
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gonna have to live with that. We saw this in
the play in tournament. Zach Eaty is far from a star,
you know, the seven foot three or whatever. He is
a big man for the Grizzlies. They're hunting Zach Edie.
They're putting him in pick and roll situations and he's
just like, oh gosh, I'm supposed to guard a guard. No,
thank you. They're chewing him up. But he got seventeen
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rebounds and so there's some give and some take. He's
not Luca is a superstar. Zach Edy is just a guy,
you know, like Steph Curry is not a lockdown defender,
but you build around him. And that's why they were
so successful for so long. That the anti Luca people
and they're out there. Most everybody's like, wow, what a trade.
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The MAVs are dumb. But there are some anti Luca
people out there that are like, he's donuts don chic.
He plays no defense. It's like, look at what he's
bringing offensively, who cares? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
And for the MAVs, that's how the MAVs viewed him.
The MAVs viewed him like that. That's insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It really is. You know, I know that have we
gotten like the definitive like Maverick side of this, yet
it's basically the definitive side that they just thought he
was out of shape and overweight. I mean, I guess,
I don't know, I just he's The thing about it, too,
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is that you know, Brian like athletes, you know, they
reached their sort of physical maturity most often in their
late twenties. And you know, I imagine that Luca's body
is going to look a lot different, you know, twenty eight,
twenty nine than it is now, and they just took
no consideration. And also too, like, Okay, you know he's
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making a lot of money, You've invested a lot in him.
The idea that you just can't hire people to help
him like makes no sense to me, Like hire people
who can help him achieve the physical you know, nature
that you want him to be, and they just like
are like, nah, no, We're just gonna blame someone. It
just it makes it does not make sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's the other thing I'll never get it. So what's
so funny to me is I didn't think about this
until you said that. But you'll see certain athletes and
you're like, Okay, maybe they're just athletic freaks, and you
think he's not gonna be able to do that forever.
And then what Like take Lamar Jackson for instance, he
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is an unbelievable athlete, and you have to wonder, like
take Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was never a dynamic as
an athlete like Lamar Jackson, But in his younger days,
he could buy time way better than he is right now.
He could extend plays and he could make a lot
of things happen. And now that you're seeing him in
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his you know, later thirties, you're like, oh, he can't
buy time the same way. He's a different quarterback, right Like,
so I can understand that this thinking. If you look
at Lamar and say, well, what happens when he's half
the athlete that he is right now, then what kind
of quarterback do you have? That makes sense? If you
look at Luca, his game translates to old He already
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has the old man game. So you know, even if
the conditioning isn't great, even if he's like a comparable
body type or body weight eight ten years from now,
he's still gonna be a ball like you still know
he's gonna be incredibly productive because he doesn't rely on
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just sheer athleticism. Yo kicch Yokid. I don't know why
we're just like pointing fingers at Luca Oh no defense,
look at it. He is an offensive savant, just like Jokich.
Yokic doesn't give you great like lockdown defense. No one's
talking trash about him and making any sense. But I
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just I find that to be so funny where the
MAVs are just like, well, it's really dedicated to his conditioning,
and I mean, who knows where that goes Five years
from now, you already know where it's gonna go. He's
gonna be probably a similar body type, and he's still
gonna be able to get your buckets because he doesn't
need to rely on sheer athleticism. It's just there's no
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explanation for the mass I think there's none.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And they can continue to say that they have this this,
you know this what they keep claiming. It's you know,
it's uh, it's the defense. I mean, it's just just
the the team. Is Boston still the favorite to win
the championship. Okay, okay, and they do play defense, but
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you know, like the Celtics is just like do they
make enough threes in a given game?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Right, yeah, to focus on defense like this and lieu
of the superstar. And you know, again, like we've talked
about in many different ways in the last ten minutes,
the lack of crew creativity to figure out a way
to keep Luca and and play it the way you
want to me is still staggering, Brian, because good organizations
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figure it, figure it out. And you know what's was
so stunning when the Lakers went to Dallas like two
weeks ago, the Mavericks fans were openly cheering for Luca
in the Lakers' uniform. Yeah, I've never seen it in
my life, Like like you you let yeah, you let
a player walk who's beloved by the fan base too.
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At twenty five, it wasn't like a player that the
fan base was like, get rid of this guy. He's
not performing. We don't want him, as you know, we
don't want to root for him. Get rid of a
player who the fan base adored, and Luca wanted to
be there. I think he still would be like, yeah,
take me back if you could. But it's just the
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whole thing, Like do we not think the Lakers have
been an organization over the years and has been great
for superstars as we know, right, I'd imagine Laker said,
you know what, Luca, here's a personal dietitian, here's a chef,
here's like all like what, Yeah, we might not like
your condition. Guess what, We'll hire people to help you,
Like we'll make it right because you're you're you're such
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basketball player, Like why could the MAVs do that?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
H yeah, it's and also the defense wins championships thing. Listen, man,
I think we gotta we gotta get with the times
over here. This isn't you know, like old school nineteen eighties,
nineteen nineties basketball, where you know, like the heat and
the knicks, like it's seven sixty eight to sixty five,
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like it might be the vital score in some of
those games. Right, this is a different day and age
with the way the games are officiated, the way they're
spaced out, the way teams are shooting threes, the way
big men are shooting you know what I mean. Like
defense is incredibly important, don't get me wrong, but when
you're looking at the NBA and the NFL. In modern times,
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balance wins championships. That's the honest truth. It's not just defense.
And you're not gonna be like the Patriots and the
Rams in a thirteen to three games, like that's the exception.
You're seeing the Eagles beat the Patriots forty one to
thirty three. You're seeing the Chiefs a few years ago
beat the Eagles thirty eight to thirty five. There are
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so many examples where defense didn't win championships. It's some
concoction of balance. Like you've got to have some offense,
you gotta have some defense. You have to have a
blend of both. But this idea that you can just
suck offensively, what does it matter? As long as you
play great defense, you're winning a title. That's not the
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way it is in the NFL or the NBA anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Correct. And of course we're not saying the defense does
not matter at all. Of course it does matter, but
that's not the way that I would build a team
to win a championship. You gotta get stops times, but
just you got it. Yeah, in every sport, man, the
goal should be how to we score the most points,
the most runs, the most you know, the most goals
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like whatever. It is, like, it's that's the way you
got to build your team, you know when you know
when you're rebuilding or you're starting a new Yeah, maybe
a focus on defense a little bit, you know, like
get some toughness, get some physicality in your team. You
get to a point where you have a superstar like Luca,
you throw everything out and you do what's what's best
to keep that guy and get the most out of him.
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And Dallas just punted on it. They just put they
don't have to live on the forever. The Lakers are
not winning championship this year. I think we agree on that.
But they're not. There are a couple pieces away from
winning a championship, right and if Mark Williams on the roster,
we feel different about them, right, I think we agree.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That would that would help quite a bit, that would help.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
There are two or three players away. I think you can.
I hate to say this, guy, I feel like a
dummy if it if it comes true or if it
doesn't come true. But Lebron, I don't think you play
like this for years and years to come. But you're
still you're a frontcore piece away, you know, Looston Reeves
is getting better every year. Maybe Dalton takes a step
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in year two and you got Luca, like, you're close
to winning a championship. And if Dallas gonna look so foolish.
If the Lakers able to make a run next couple
of years where you know, Luca win championships for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Man, I know, and just think that he could be
there for the next decade. What are the maps gonna
look like within that time. It's gonna be really interesting
to see. I wonder if there comes a time where
there's just no way the maps can say yeah, still
no regrets, you know, like the Lakers of one, who knows,
maybe a couple of titles in that span. There might
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come a time where they literally can't say, okay, they
might have all right, fine, we actually do regret it
now it did not worry out. They might have no choice.
We'll see how that unfolds. All right, He's Jeff Schwartz.
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So draft right around the corner, one week away, Jeff,
beautiful thing right here. I was thinking about this with
the number one overall pick. So the Titans are on
the clock. Which do you think is more likely? You know,
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years from now, It could be just a couple of
years from now. But down the road, are they more
likely to regret passing on Travis Hunter? Or will they
regret passing on cam Ward more? You could? You can
do the same exercise with the dual Carter. Are the
Titans more likely to regret passing on ab dual Carter
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or passing Onward? Yeah? I think we're on the same wavelength.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, Island right, Yeah, I've so I've thought about this draft. Obviously,
it's my job, and I even I'm doing a mock draft.
I'm actually who would you like to Dolphins to pick
a thirteen? But I'm doing a mock draft today for
Fox Sports. I gotta I'm in the middle of of
doing it during the break, so filion filling in spots.
I have a Dolphins drafting a defensive alignment, by the way,
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so you'd be happy about that. Maybe not? That's good.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, we need the Dolphins need these uh these dudes
that are physical in the trenches because so they are
lacking massively in that department.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So I wrote for cam Ward that he might not
be the number one player on everyone's big board, but
he's the number one player at the most important position
in all sports. Are just quarterback, And the Titans are
just not gonna overthink this, right, you have to have
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a quarterback to compete in the National Football League. The
Titans right now have no one for that job. I
mean Will Levis is on the roster. Did we watch
Will Levis play last season? I mean, you're not running
back with Will Levis. You need to have a quarterback.
And Brian, you should draft a quarterback every year until
you find one. It's that important of a position. And yeah,
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passing on camp Morton is just not good business. Yeah yeah,
Travis Hunter might be great out Dual Carter might be great,
but those two alone are not winning your championships. A
good quarterback does win you a championship.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's true. I'm halfway with you and I'm halfway nine. Okay.
The part that I'm with you on is if you
don't have a legit quarterback, you're not going anywhere. I mean,
that's just reality in today's NFL. Even when you go
back to the like the Brad Johnson super Bowl, the
Trent Dilfer super Bowl, those are one all time defenses
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with the two thousand Ravens, two thousand and two bucks.
Good luck replicating that. But the other thing is, like,
think about two thousand and two thousand and two, that's
a long time ago, Jeff, with the way the rules
change in the NFL, Like, good luck defensively getting away
with what those teams were able to get away with
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at that time. You know, I'm not trying to short
change them. They were magnificent defenses. But it's even harder
now to win big with like a modern day Trent
Dilfer or Brad Johnson. That's just the reality here, and
so yeah, I'm with you. You gotta have a QB
in today's NFL. Got it? But is cam Ward that guy?
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That's the question. I get that you're taking swings. You
gotta take swings until you get that guy. But you're
not just playing for twenty twenty five. You should be
planning for twenty thirty five. And if you're like, yeah,
don't know about cam Ward makes some goofy decisions way
too often, you could absolutely end up regretting passing on
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Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter in favor of cam Ward.
And I halfway get it. You gotta find your QB.
But the question is is that guy the guy? And
he very well might not be.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
He might not be, but you have to try, like
you have to. You have to. You have to keep
swinging a quarterback until you find one. And what happens
is he'd be. The inverse, though, I think, is way
worse right where you draft, You draft Travis Hunter, Abdul
Carter or Abdul Carter and the Browns take cam Ward
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and he's good, Like it's such your franchise back fifteen years.
It's it's so the inverse of that I think is
much worse than what we're talking about, which is you
went for cam Ward, it didn't work out, and you know,
and that shucks. Well, we'll jet to quarterback again next season,
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earned two seasons. Whereas the other way around, which is
which is, Okay, we have Travis Hunter, good football player,
but cam Ward is Jaydon Daniels like he's you wouldn't
you'd feel so silly, right if that was the case. So,
I mean, look at I think Bryce Young is gonna
be fine with with the Panthers, But I maage after
year one they're like, oh boy, we drafted the wrong quarterback.
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But that's I think a much worse spot to be in.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It could be, and that's the risk that you run.
I mean, you could go back to let's take a
recent draft, the twenty three draft. The Colts took Anthony
Richardson fourth overall, and that's obviously been a swing and
a miss. Now, they could have had Seahawks cornerback Devin Witherspoon.
They could have had Eagles defensive lineman Jalen Carter. If
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they have either of those two players, they're a better
team right now. But if they still don't have a
quarterback doesn't really matter. So to your point, yeah, you
gotta keep swinging on quarterbacks. But if you're swing it's
like which it's like, which pitch are you swinging at?
I get that you to get a hit, you gotta
swing the bat. But are you swinging at a fastball
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right down the middle that's in your like it, that's
in your like your hot zone right there? Or are
you swinging at a knuckle curve outside the zone that
you have no chance of hitting?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's the question here because you could do this exercise
with Shaduur Sanders. The Saints need a quarterback if he's
on the board at ninth. Overall, I mean the same
idea holds true. Where bro, you gotta swing. Okay, fine,
you gotta swing, But is that the right pitch to
swing at? That's the question, and I just I am.
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I'll put it this way. If the Titans passed on
cam Ward, sure I'd be concerned he goes elsewhere and
turns out to be the real deal. That would be
a nightmare scenario. But I think it's more likely that
Travis Hunter, Abdull Carter they turn out to be studs.
Then cam Ward turns out to be a stud. And
then I ask myself, well, then why am I drafting
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cam Ward? Just like ot a sheer hope? Most of
it is hope here when you're passing on crebium blue chippers,
that's that's a rough position.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's certainly it's certainly a fair a fair way to
look at it. Where like this you are just sort
of hoping for the best with cam Ward, but you
hope you put the infrastructure around him. Look, I think
that if if the Browns were to call to move
up one spot they love cam Ward, maybe you do it.
I mean, I think that if there was an offer
too that was appealing they think about. I don't think
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we've seen that yet, and that's probably why we've had
no movement. I think every team still has their original
first round pick, and that which is wild. This hasn't
been the longest has ever happened. We might see some
moves at some point. I think that maybe teams training
back up, like at the Browns don't draft the quarterback
at two, right, I can certainly see them going to
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pick thirty one or thirty two and getting you know,
you know, someone to play quarterback for them. So there's
there's options there to make some trades. But it's an
interesting draft, Brian. You know there's about six premium players
and that's about it, and then there's just guys that
are good, but you know, could could be a bust
depending on where they go.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, no doubt. What's your if we shifted from the Titans,
what's your best guess with Shadoor when he goes where
he goes? Yeah, you have a gut feeling on that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Later than than sooner, I think, right, there's I know
those reports he's doing a private work with the Giants.
I think they're working out a bunch of quarterbacks. I
think it's just last due due diligence.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know, that's today.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You know his I was looking at this earlier as
eventually I was doing mock draft. So you know they
have this consensus, uh big board essentially right, I'll pull
it right here. I mean he's he's not in the
top thirty for most people.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's crazy. Yeah, and yeah, you're thinking third overall, ninth overall,
big board right here.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm gonna pull it up here. So this is a contentsus,
big boy. Then they have like a thousand different people
to do the big boy. They just put it together right,
and like he's, well, this is not contents, this big board.
I mean, he's I've seen ones with him. Yeah, I'll
pull up right here. Uh, I mean he's it's just
it's not great, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, it varies a lot. I've seen him in the teens,
I've seen him more years saying even lower than that.
You go back to bo Nicks. A lot of people
had him as a second round talent.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean and.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
A good rookie season.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He's going the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh yeah, yeah of oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Where he's okay. So it feels like now the consensus
has him going to the Saints at nine. I I
I put in my in my uh my mock draft
just for fun, because look, you need to be a
little different sometimes. I put the Steelers trading up to
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eight for for Sujar Sanders. The reports are now that
Aaron Rodgers are considering retirement. Maybe that's to get more leverage,
but I think if he wanted to play for the Steelers,
he'd already be playing for the Steelers. Brian, they need
a quarterback. What are they gonna wait to twenty one
to take Jackson dart So I think the Steelers are
really live to draft shudar standards and make a move
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that they're they're normally not bold, right, they're normally not
a trade up team. And but what are they gonna do.
They're gonna roll back and just hope there's a quarterback
at twenty one available for them. But if Sanders has
not taken you know, two or three, maybe it is
twenty one. Maybe, because once you get past the Saints
at nine, right, and the Saints again could decide to
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go Will Johnson or tight end. I mean, there's no
there's no guarantee they're gonna take the quarterback at nine.
He's all the way to twenty one. There's no one
between nine and twenty one that's drafted a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, And that's the temptation for the Steelers, is you
just wait. It'd be a little bit a little bit.
Remember the the uh the mac Jones draft where the
Patriots needed a quarterback and they just waited and I
think it was fifteenth overall he was still there and
they were like, well, all right, fine, we'll go. Like
you could see that from the Steelers. Some of these
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Saints beat reporters, they're like they're not drafting a quarterback
at ninth overall, and maybe that's true, maybe that would
become intriguing if they passed.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Should there is such an interesting prospect because I think
in the like most players, in the right situation, he
can really thrive. But the Saints are unique because they
need to reset their franchise in the worst way. They
have the least amount of cap space in twenty twenty
six coming up, and they need to do this for years. Brian.
(27:58):
If I were them, this is what I would do.
I'd eat this year. You have Kelimorias first season. You
set a foundation for what's expected, and when it comes
to the end of training camp, you are gutting the
roster man like you, all the old guys, you're gone,
You're you're traded, you're released, and you try to build
(28:20):
this team up from scratch next season. You try to
be competitive eachin every week. You win four games and
you're in the you know, the tank for archer manding
whatever whoever the next quarterback is. Because Sanders to me
for the Saints doesn't get you any closer to your
ultimate goal. And that's what I would do if I
were the Saints. I the Steilers need a quarterback far
(28:42):
more than the Saints do right now. I mean, the
Saints just need to be bad to reset their franchise.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I don't hate that at all. They've had to
do that for a long long time. And we're well
past the day and age of Drew Brees. You know,
you go back. You got to go back to twenty twenty.
That's when they were twelve and four in the playoffs
Drew Brees last year. Since then, they haven't won double
digit games in any season, and that's you know, they
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went to seventeen games the year after, they went to
an extra game in twenty twenty one. They haven't gotten
to ten wins in the last four seasons. So I
don't hate that idea at all. Listen, I'm all for
taking swings. It just again, it matters on which pitch
you're swinging at. It depends on which quarterback. How good
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of a prospect is he, what pick is it? You
know that all matters. I think you know, if you
look at the Colts, this won't happen, Jeff. But the
Colts don't have a quarterback. Anthony Richardson's not your quarterback
of the future. Daniel Jones sure, isn't your quarterback of
the future. I wouldn't let either of those quarterbacks prevent
me from taking a swing at fourteenth overall on Shador
(29:53):
Sanders if he's still there. I think that's absolutely what
they should do where they're picking the prospect, that makes
sense to me. I don't think they will. But to
your point, you do have to keep swinging to find
that quarterback of the now of the future. If you
don't have them, you're screwed. I just I leave a
little bit of space for like, you can't just be
(30:14):
swinging from the heels at any pitch. It depends on
the prospect, and it depends on which pick you have.
That does matter.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So the Coles shouldn't have a Daniel Jones Anthony Richardson
competition this season. That's not good for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't think they should. I do not. I don't
think that's gonna get you anywhere. Have you, by the way,
have you? It's crazy if you look at Anthony Richardson
in the NFL and you look at Tim Tebow's career
in the NFL, their stats it's almost identical. Jeff. It
is so similar. You should never as an NFL quarterback
(30:49):
two years in be compared in any way, shape or
form to Tim Tebow. Great dude couldn't play. And Anthony
Richardson's stats are and freaking neck with Tim Tebow so
far he completed that's not your quarterback going.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He put passes last season Anthony Richardon.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Did and eleven starts. I sub forty eight and eleven starts.
How how I was?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Uh? I trained in Arizona in the off seasons, and
uh one of the facilis was that tea Bow was
there one off season in the summer. It was a
summer spring, summer, buddy it it was bad in person.
He could throw.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Were you thinking, you know, I had a better chance
at completing that pass?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
There was? There was. So we were in this facility
outside and it was like an old office plater that
turned into a facility. And in Arizona they have those
like what's the best way to put those car ports?
Like that shade they put it you like they put
in parking lots so your car doesn't burn while you
sure while you're sitting there, And like Tebo hit the
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top of that one time throwing to someone who was
standing underneath the car. It's like like like buddy that
like you if that's not good? I mean you're right,
like great person. Sounds like a great person obviously when
he did at Florida, I mean great team leader, but
I mean he won an NFL game, was two for
eight as a passer.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's right against your Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well, what was my Chiefs then? But sure, yeah, that
was pre pre Jeff Schwartz. Uh that that's a that
was a.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Who was your childhood NFL team? Did you have for?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
My dad? Still roots for the Yeah? I don't. I don't.
I've gotten the point now where like I've made this point,
I rove for the Chiefs. My brother wants to roll there.
It's mostly Indy reithing at this point. I think when
Andy Reid leaves, I won't be such as a Chiefs fan.
I've said this for a while.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I just know.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I just that's a big part of I love Andy Reid.
The coaching staff I still know very well. Everyone's still there, well,
support staff still there. They treat they treated my brother
very well. And when Andy Reid leaves, I just don't
know if I'll still root for them the same way.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, maybe not. We do have a resident Bronco fan
in the building here. He's our producer, Justin Cooper, and
he just messaged to me about Tim Tebow couldn't throw
but in caps, but he could win what he threw
my way.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
How was it watching a game where where were like,
we just can't pass the ball.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Oh gosh, that was the most wild and frankly fun
season that I've ever had watching the Broncos, because it
was just like it was terrible and you knew and
you knew he couldn't.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Pass, but you were there was this weird, like, I
don't know, almost like magical element to it, where like,
but we could still win this game, and we did
win a lot of them. The game against the Jets
on Thursday night was crazy, and then the playoff game
where he hit DT in overtime to win against the Steelers.
(34:01):
I don't think I lost my voice. I went so crazy.
But so I feel like it's insulting to Tim Tebow
to compare him to the Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh no, it's not their Their numbers are like side
by side. Tebow's numbers in instances are better than Anthony Richardson's,
which is insane. The win thing Tebow was eight and six.
You know, he is eight and six at the end
of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
One thing about t bow too like is it he
actually did not play a lot of football in the NFL.
We view him as like this, right, he didn't start
a lot of games. He just didn't play a lot. Now,
but the thing about the Richardson and TBO comparison is
that Richardson's arm is a thousand times better than Tbo's. Oh,
you should not even be the kid should not even
be a discussion for you. Richardson. His physical arm talent
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is Tim just couldn't throw. Like it wasn't that he
he couldn't play. He was you know, like to the
point that we're making like he was a gamer or
whatever that whatever you want to mention that he he
was a gamer, like he used the physical abilities he
had for the best of his ability. He just couldn't throw.
Andy Richard can actually throw. He has an arm, like
(35:09):
a very good arm, and he makes a throw a game.
You're like, wow, that was an incredible throw. Then he
had won last year? Was it week one where he
was like scrambling and like he threw it, Yeah, this
is ball seventy yards down the field, but then the
next throw is like, you know, four feet behind him,
a guy in a slant.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I know, I know. It's gotta be so frustrated. I
think it's even more frustrating because you do get glimpses
of the talent at the NFL level with Anthony Richardson.
You did not get that with Tim Tebow, you know,
and they had a nice winning streak against a bunch
of sub five hundred teams. You know, that fires you up. Okay,
(35:47):
not the greatest long term formula, like, hey, our quarterback
can't throw. That's probably not gonna lead to long term success.
But listen, man, we should all be able to agree
it is. It is nightmare inducing. If your quarterback like
Anthony Richardson with the Colts, if he's putting up Tim
Tebow like numbers and that's what he's done in the
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first two seasons in the NFL, it's not gonna work out.
Not not gonna work out? Right there, all right? Coming
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Good stuff. Love Will Ferrell. Very funny. You're a Will
Ferrell fan.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Some people are, except when he's a USC guy. Otherwise
I like Will fail.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, fair enough, fair enough? How about this? So Netflix
is releasing a documentary. It's on Gilbert Arenas and Javaris
Crittinton remember when they were teammates with Washington Wizards and
they had guns in the locker room. Yeah, so it's
a whole dock on this. It's the dispute in two
thousand and nine. Jeff, listen to this title they've entitled
(37:50):
it shooting Guards. Come on, you can't do better than that.
Are you kidding me? Shooting guards? That's their positions. That's tremendous.
Come on that, Jeff, you can't do better than that
for a title for a doc.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I mean, I watch all these sports docs, so I'll
watch it. But was it, like, was there a need
for the story to be shared more? Well?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
There was a whole story beyond it, you know, it's
not just a you know, there was a gambling dead
and they brought guns into the locker room, and how
is that just a doc? There's there are more layers
to it than that. Where Crittinton he was wanted for.
I don't know what he was accused of a crime.
I don't know if they ever found guilty of it.
(38:35):
But it was a whole thing, you know, beyond that.
So those are the layers right there.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I watch every sports doc like I I I love
I love the ball. Oh no, I can't get enough sports.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Break Which which ones do you like the most? Because
I know you watched I don't know what it's called,
but on the Olympics, like Olympic basketball.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Through it. Yeah, it was fantastic. I love that they
got everyone except except uh, except to do an interview.
It was fantastic everyone. I mean, look, the last dance
obviously was was fantastic. I'll just like to put on
the background when I'm working. I like to put like
sports talks on in the background when I'm working. They're
(39:18):
all They're just I like all of them.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I like quarterback or receiver more.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Quarterback by far, by far quarterback. They haven't done offensive
line yet, unfortunately, so we're still need to do that.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I would absolutely watch.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It'd be so boring that they need to do the trenches.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Trenches, trenches, come on, we're following around, Uh, I don't know,
Crete Humphrey and who.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Meaning barbecue after every win. Yeah, to be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Some of those guys are the best characters on the team.
I'd absolutely watch trenches all right. Coming up next, so
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movie with Jason's Dakis, very funny. Jennifer Aniston in that movie.
It's very good. But toward the end of that movie,
our guy Scottie p He said, what Nico Harrison, the
GM of the Mavericks notice said the other day, this
is great, This is great. This is Harrison right here.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
That's my credo.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Don't regrets. Yeah, that's uh MAVs GM Nico Harrison, no
regrets on the Luka Doncicz trade. How embarrassing is this,
Jeff where apparently it was the UH Mavericks governor who
initiated He called the code red basically right. He called
for like this very invite only meeting with the media
(01:26):
where John and Bob can be there, nobody else and
don't record it, like this is very hush hush behind
closed doors here. And that's where Nico Harrison said, Hey,
no regrets. Defense wins championships. We had a bunch of injuries.
No one can see my vision with Ad and Kyrie,
and as if those guys are typically healthy, which they aren't.
(01:48):
So he stands by this. He can't say anything else, Jeff,
he can't say, you know what, now that we've had
a couple of months, I do regret trading him in
the first place, or not getting top value for the guy.
I can't say that. But don't be dumb enough to
buy this. He's not gonna sit here and be like, yeah,
you know what, I do have some regrets. He has to,
like pound the two. No regrets at all. Of course
(02:10):
he has regrets. How could he not? How could you
be a GM and not regret trading Luca for top dollar.
You have to regret that.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Of course of course he does. He's he he of
course he does there. There are a lot of things
that that happened like during COVID that I think, uh
non obviously obviously very serious things, but like the governor
thing happened during COVID. Right, they change the name from
owners to governors. I have is that the timeline card?
Is it before COVID That.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Not sure, but somewhere around there.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, they own the team, their owners of the team, Like, yeah,
call them owners. It's just it's some of those changes,
like it's just so silly to me, Like we can't
be adults about they own the team. That's the connotation.
They're owners of the of the NBA team that they owned,
that they bought, that's what they owned. They owned the player,
they own the team. So dumb governor's Okay, I am
(03:06):
a Lakers fan. Okay, Brian, as we have noted many
times working together, I'll mention it Sunday, just everyone knows
again and tomorrow morning. I will never understand how this happened.
I'm very grateful what happened, but there's there's no way
to sell this. It's not like they traded away a
thirty seven year old. He is twenty five years old. Okay,
(03:31):
defense was championships. Sure, SODA's making a lot of three
pointers and so to scoring one hundred and twenty five
thirty points a game. And you can build a team
around Luca that's really good defensively and let Luca be himself. Look,
you can do all those things are all possible in
(03:52):
the NBA. Not every superstar is the best defender ever,
and that's okay. You build a team around that. Except
that's what a quality team does, right, Brian. You have deficiencies,
you find players to bring in to help those deficiencies,
and you roll with a superstar. And it's just shocking
they win this because it's such a short term high
(04:14):
for the for Nico essentially to build this defensive team,
because they're not winning a championship with a d and
Kyrie and Klay Thompson. You're winning a championship with Luca
and whoever else around Luca. So it's still shocking this
trade happened. It's even more shocking when you know the
Lakers are I think are gonna play well this postseason
(04:36):
outside of obviously Okac in Western Conference finals potentially and
Dallas is obviously. Now they's some injuries and whatnot. I
get that, but I mean fighting to make the postseason. Brian.
It's it's gonna be as one of the worst trades
in NBA history. And I don't know there's any explanation
it's ever gonna make sense to anybody.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, but your point is is so good where there
are even superstar where you have drawbacks, right, like was
Tom Brady scrambling around like Lamar Jackson or anything.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Close to that?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, you build around, Yeah, but you build your team
around that. Look at Josh Allen, My mind goes to football.
Of course, how could it not, But the Bills quarterback.
This was popular last off season. There was talk that
he was overrated and oh you look at some of
the turnovers and it's it's like, bro, if you look
at all the turnovers, he had like forty four total touchdowns,
(05:31):
Like the what would it be the twenty three season
when we're talking about it last offseason he had somewhere
around like forty four touchdowns and the total turnovers, It's like, dude,
he's You're coming out well ahead with the rushing ability,
the total touchdowns, the passing yardage, all that stuff. Yeah,
is there a dumb mistake here of their shirt you're
(05:52):
gonna have to live with that. We saw this in
the play in tournament. Zach Eaty is far from a star,
you know, the seven foot three or whatever. He is
a big man for the Grizzlies. They're hunting Zach Edie.
They're putting him in pick and roll situations and he's
just like, oh gosh, I'm supposed to guard a guard. No,
thank you. They're chewing him up. But he got seventeen
(06:14):
rebounds and so there's some give and some take. He's
not Luca is a superstar. Zach Edy is just a guy,
you know, like Steph Curry is not a lockdown defender,
but you build around him. And that's why they were
so successful for so long. That the anti Luca people
and they're out there. Most everybody's like, wow, what a trade.
(06:37):
The MAVs are dumb. But there are some anti Luca
people out there that are like, he's donuts don chic.
He plays no defense. It's like, look at what he's
bringing offensively, who cares? It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
And for the MAVs, that's how the MAVs viewed him.
The MAVs viewed him like that. That's insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
It really is. You know, I know that have we
gotten like the definitive like Maverick side of this, yet
it's basically the definitive side that they just thought he
was out of shape and overweight. I mean, I guess,
I don't know, I just he's The thing about it, too,
(07:24):
is that you know, Brian like athletes, you know, they
reached their sort of physical maturity most often in their
late twenties. And you know, I imagine that Luca's body
is going to look a lot different, you know, twenty eight,
twenty nine than it is now, and they just took
no consideration. And also too, like, Okay, you know he's
(07:47):
making a lot of money, You've invested a lot in him.
The idea that you just can't hire people to help
him like makes no sense to me, Like hire people
who can help him achieve the physical you know, nature
that you want him to be, and they just like
are like, nah, no, We're just gonna blame someone. It
just it makes it does not make sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's the other thing I'll never get it. So what's
so funny to me is I didn't think about this
until you said that. But you'll see certain athletes and
you're like, Okay, maybe they're just athletic freaks, and you
think he's not gonna be able to do that forever.
And then what Like take Lamar Jackson for instance, he
(08:31):
is an unbelievable athlete, and you have to wonder, like
take Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was never a dynamic as
an athlete like Lamar Jackson, But in his younger days,
he could buy time way better than he is right now.
He could extend plays and he could make a lot
of things happen. And now that you're seeing him in
(08:52):
his you know, later thirties, you're like, oh, he can't
buy time the same way. He's a different quarterback, right Like,
so I can understand that this thinking. If you look
at Lamar and say, well, what happens when he's half
the athlete that he is right now, then what kind
of quarterback do you have? That makes sense? If you
look at Luca, his game translates to old He already
(09:13):
has the old man game. So you know, even if
the conditioning isn't great, even if he's like a comparable
body type or body weight eight ten years from now,
he's still gonna be a ball like you still know
he's gonna be incredibly productive because he doesn't rely on
(09:34):
just sheer athleticism. Yo kicch Yokid. I don't know why
we're just like pointing fingers at Luca Oh no defense,
look at it. He is an offensive savant, just like Jokich.
Yokic doesn't give you great like lockdown defense. No one's
talking trash about him and making any sense. But I
(09:56):
just I find that to be so funny where the
MAVs are just like, well, it's really dedicated to his conditioning,
and I mean, who knows where that goes Five years
from now, you already know where it's gonna go. He's
gonna be probably a similar body type, and he's still
gonna be able to get your buckets because he doesn't
need to rely on sheer athleticism. It's just there's no
(10:17):
explanation for the mass I think there's none.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
And they can continue to say that they have this this,
you know this what they keep claiming. It's you know,
it's uh, it's the defense. I mean, it's just just
the the team. Is Boston still the favorite to win
the championship. Okay, okay, and they do play defense, but
(10:42):
you know, like the Celtics is just like do they
make enough threes in a given game?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:48):
Right, yeah, to focus on defense like this and lieu
of the superstar. And you know, again, like we've talked
about in many different ways in the last ten minutes,
the lack of crew creativity to figure out a way
to keep Luca and and play it the way you
want to me is still staggering, Brian, because good organizations
(11:12):
figure it, figure it out. And you know what's was
so stunning when the Lakers went to Dallas like two
weeks ago, the Mavericks fans were openly cheering for Luca
in the Lakers' uniform. Yeah, I've never seen it in
my life, Like like you you let yeah, you let
a player walk who's beloved by the fan base too.
(11:34):
At twenty five, it wasn't like a player that the
fan base was like, get rid of this guy. He's
not performing. We don't want him, as you know, we
don't want to root for him. Get rid of a
player who the fan base adored, and Luca wanted to
be there. I think he still would be like, yeah,
take me back if you could. But it's just the
(11:54):
whole thing, Like do we not think the Lakers have
been an organization over the years and has been great
for superstars as we know, right, I'd imagine Laker said,
you know what, Luca, here's a personal dietitian, here's a chef,
here's like all like what, Yeah, we might not like
your condition. Guess what, We'll hire people to help you,
Like we'll make it right because you're you're you're such
(12:15):
basketball player, Like why could the MAVs do that?
Speaker 1 (12:19):
H yeah, it's and also the defense wins championships thing. Listen, man,
I think we gotta we gotta get with the times
over here. This isn't you know, like old school nineteen eighties,
nineteen nineties basketball, where you know, like the heat and
the knicks, like it's seven sixty eight to sixty five,
(12:41):
like it might be the vital score in some of
those games. Right, this is a different day and age
with the way the games are officiated, the way they're
spaced out, the way teams are shooting threes, the way
big men are shooting you know what I mean. Like
defense is incredibly important, don't get me wrong, but when
you're looking at the NBA and the NFL. In modern times,
(13:02):
balance wins championships. That's the honest truth. It's not just defense.
And you're not gonna be like the Patriots and the
Rams in a thirteen to three games, like that's the exception.
You're seeing the Eagles beat the Patriots forty one to
thirty three. You're seeing the Chiefs a few years ago
beat the Eagles thirty eight to thirty five. There are
(13:24):
so many examples where defense didn't win championships. It's some
concoction of balance. Like you've got to have some offense,
you gotta have some defense. You have to have a
blend of both. But this idea that you can just
suck offensively, what does it matter? As long as you
play great defense, you're winning a title. That's not the
(13:44):
way it is in the NFL or the NBA anymore.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
Correct. And of course we're not saying the defense does
not matter at all. Of course it does matter, but
that's not the way that I would build a team
to win a championship. You gotta get stops times, but
just you got it. Yeah, in every sport, man, the
goal should be how to we score the most points,
the most runs, the most you know, the most goals
(14:09):
like whatever. It is, like, it's that's the way you
got to build your team, you know when you know
when you're rebuilding or you're starting a new Yeah, maybe
a focus on defense a little bit, you know, like
get some toughness, get some physicality in your team. You
get to a point where you have a superstar like Luca,
you throw everything out and you do what's what's best
to keep that guy and get the most out of him.
(14:30):
And Dallas just punted on it. They just put they
don't have to live on the forever. The Lakers are
not winning championship this year. I think we agree on that.
But they're not. There are a couple pieces away from
winning a championship, right and if Mark Williams on the roster,
we feel different about them, right, I think we agree.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
That would that would help quite a bit, that would help.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
There are two or three players away. I think you can.
I hate to say this, guy, I feel like a
dummy if it if it comes true or if it
doesn't come true. But Lebron, I don't think you play
like this for years and years to come. But you're
still you're a frontcore piece away, you know, Looston Reeves
is getting better every year. Maybe Dalton takes a step
(15:14):
in year two and you got Luca, like, you're close
to winning a championship. And if Dallas gonna look so foolish.
If the Lakers able to make a run next couple
of years where you know, Luca win championships for the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Man, I know, and just think that he could be
there for the next decade. What are the maps gonna
look like within that time. It's gonna be really interesting
to see. I wonder if there comes a time where
there's just no way the maps can say yeah, still
no regrets, you know, like the Lakers of one, who knows,
maybe a couple of titles in that span. There might
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come a time where they literally can't say, okay, they
might have all right, fine, we actually do regret it
now it did not worry out. They might have no choice.
We'll see how that unfolds. All right, He's Jeff Schwartz.
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So draft right around the corner, one week away, Jeff,
beautiful thing right here. I was thinking about this with
the number one overall pick. So the Titans are on
the clock. Which do you think is more likely? You know,
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years from now, It could be just a couple of
years from now. But down the road, are they more
likely to regret passing on Travis Hunter? Or will they
regret passing on cam Ward more? You could? You can
do the same exercise with the dual Carter. Are the
Titans more likely to regret passing on ab dual Carter
(17:12):
or passing Onward? Yeah? I think we're on the same wavelength.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, Island right, Yeah, I've so I've thought about this draft. Obviously,
it's my job, and I even I'm doing a mock draft.
I'm actually who would you like to Dolphins to pick
a thirteen? But I'm doing a mock draft today for
Fox Sports. I gotta I'm in the middle of of
doing it during the break, so filion filling in spots.
I have a Dolphins drafting a defensive alignment, by the way,
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so you'd be happy about that. Maybe not? That's good.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, we need the Dolphins need these uh these dudes
that are physical in the trenches because so they are
lacking massively in that department.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
So I wrote for cam Ward that he might not
be the number one player on everyone's big board, but
he's the number one player at the most important position
in all sports. Are just quarterback, And the Titans are
just not gonna overthink this, right, you have to have
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a quarterback to compete in the National Football League. The
Titans right now have no one for that job. I
mean Will Levis is on the roster. Did we watch
Will Levis play last season? I mean, you're not running
back with Will Levis. You need to have a quarterback.
And Brian, you should draft a quarterback every year until
you find one. It's that important of a position. And yeah,
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passing on camp Morton is just not good business. Yeah yeah,
Travis Hunter might be great out Dual Carter might be great,
but those two alone are not winning your championships. A
good quarterback does win you a championship.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
That's true. I'm halfway with you and I'm halfway nine. Okay.
The part that I'm with you on is if you
don't have a legit quarterback, you're not going anywhere. I mean,
that's just reality in today's NFL. Even when you go
back to the like the Brad Johnson super Bowl, the
Trent Dilfer super Bowl, those are one all time defenses
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with the two thousand Ravens, two thousand and two bucks.
Good luck replicating that. But the other thing is, like,
think about two thousand and two thousand and two, that's
a long time ago, Jeff, with the way the rules
change in the NFL, Like, good luck defensively getting away
with what those teams were able to get away with
(19:31):
at that time. You know, I'm not trying to short
change them. They were magnificent defenses. But it's even harder
now to win big with like a modern day Trent
Dilfer or Brad Johnson. That's just the reality here, and
so yeah, I'm with you. You gotta have a QB
in today's NFL. Got it? But is cam Ward that guy?
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That's the question. I get that you're taking swings. You
gotta take swings until you get that guy. But you're
not just playing for twenty twenty five. You should be
planning for twenty thirty five. And if you're like, yeah,
don't know about cam Ward makes some goofy decisions way
too often, you could absolutely end up regretting passing on
(20:14):
Travis Hunter or Abdul Carter in favor of cam Ward.
And I halfway get it. You gotta find your QB.
But the question is is that guy the guy? And
he very well might not be.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
He might not be, but you have to try, like
you have to. You have to. You have to keep
swinging a quarterback until you find one. And what happens
is he'd be. The inverse, though, I think, is way
worse right where you draft, You draft Travis Hunter, Abdul
Carter or Abdul Carter and the Browns take cam Ward
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and he's good, Like it's such your franchise back fifteen years.
It's it's so the inverse of that I think is
much worse than what we're talking about, which is you
went for cam Ward, it didn't work out, and you know,
and that shucks. Well, we'll jet to quarterback again next season,
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earned two seasons. Whereas the other way around, which is
which is, Okay, we have Travis Hunter, good football player,
but cam Ward is Jaydon Daniels like he's you wouldn't
you'd feel so silly, right if that was the case. So,
I mean, look at I think Bryce Young is gonna
be fine with with the Panthers, But I maage after
year one they're like, oh boy, we drafted the wrong quarterback.
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But that's I think a much worse spot to be in.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
It could be, and that's the risk that you run.
I mean, you could go back to let's take a
recent draft, the twenty three draft. The Colts took Anthony
Richardson fourth overall, and that's obviously been a swing and
a miss. Now, they could have had Seahawks cornerback Devin Witherspoon.
They could have had Eagles defensive lineman Jalen Carter. If
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they have either of those two players, they're a better
team right now. But if they still don't have a
quarterback doesn't really matter. So to your point, yeah, you
gotta keep swinging on quarterbacks. But if you're swing it's
like which it's like, which pitch are you swinging at?
I get that you to get a hit, you gotta
swing the bat. But are you swinging at a fastball
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right down the middle that's in your like it, that's
in your like your hot zone right there? Or are
you swinging at a knuckle curve outside the zone that
you have no chance of hitting?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That's the question here because you could do this exercise
with Shaduur Sanders. The Saints need a quarterback if he's
on the board at ninth. Overall, I mean the same
idea holds true. Where bro, you gotta swing. Okay, fine,
you gotta swing, But is that the right pitch to
swing at? That's the question, and I just I am.
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I'll put it this way. If the Titans passed on
cam Ward, sure I'd be concerned he goes elsewhere and
turns out to be the real deal. That would be
a nightmare scenario. But I think it's more likely that
Travis Hunter, Abdull Carter they turn out to be studs.
Then cam Ward turns out to be a stud. And
then I ask myself, well, then why am I drafting
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cam Ward? Just like ot a sheer hope? Most of
it is hope here when you're passing on crebium blue chippers,
that's that's a rough position.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
It's certainly it's certainly a fair a fair way to
look at it. Where like this you are just sort
of hoping for the best with cam Ward, but you
hope you put the infrastructure around him. Look, I think
that if if the Browns were to call to move
up one spot they love cam Ward, maybe you do it.
I mean, I think that if there was an offer
too that was appealing they think about. I don't think
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we've seen that yet, and that's probably why we've had
no movement. I think every team still has their original
first round pick, and that which is wild. This hasn't
been the longest has ever happened. We might see some
moves at some point. I think that maybe teams training
back up, like at the Browns don't draft the quarterback
at two, right, I can certainly see them going to
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pick thirty one or thirty two and getting you know,
you know, someone to play quarterback for them. So there's
there's options there to make some trades. But it's an
interesting draft, Brian. You know there's about six premium players
and that's about it, and then there's just guys that
are good, but you know, could could be a bust
depending on where they go.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, no doubt. What's your if we shifted from the Titans,
what's your best guess with Shadoor when he goes where
he goes? Yeah, you have a gut feeling on that.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Later than than sooner, I think, right, there's I know
those reports he's doing a private work with the Giants.
I think they're working out a bunch of quarterbacks. I
think it's just last due due diligence.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
You know, that's today.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
You know his I was looking at this earlier as
eventually I was doing mock draft. So you know they
have this consensus, uh big board essentially right, I'll pull
it right here. I mean he's he's not in the
top thirty for most people.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
That's crazy. Yeah, and yeah, you're thinking third overall, ninth overall,
big board right here.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm gonna pull it up here. So this is a contentsus,
big boy. Then they have like a thousand different people
to do the big boy. They just put it together right,
and like he's, well, this is not contents, this big board.
I mean, he's I've seen ones with him. Yeah, I'll
pull up right here. Uh, I mean he's it's just
it's not great, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, it varies a lot. I've seen him in the teens,
I've seen him more years saying even lower than that.
You go back to bo Nicks. A lot of people
had him as a second round talent.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I mean and.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
A good rookie season.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
He's going the first round.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Oh yeah, yeah of oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
Where he's okay. So it feels like now the consensus
has him going to the Saints at nine. I I
I put in my in my uh my mock draft
just for fun, because look, you need to be a
little different sometimes. I put the Steelers trading up to
(26:12):
eight for for Sujar Sanders. The reports are now that
Aaron Rodgers are considering retirement. Maybe that's to get more leverage,
but I think if he wanted to play for the Steelers,
he'd already be playing for the Steelers. Brian, they need
a quarterback. What are they gonna wait to twenty one
to take Jackson dart So I think the Steelers are
really live to draft shudar standards and make a move
(26:33):
that they're they're normally not bold, right, they're normally not
a trade up team. And but what are they gonna do.
They're gonna roll back and just hope there's a quarterback
at twenty one available for them. But if Sanders has
not taken you know, two or three, maybe it is
twenty one. Maybe, because once you get past the Saints
at nine, right, and the Saints again could decide to
(26:53):
go Will Johnson or tight end. I mean, there's no
there's no guarantee they're gonna take the quarterback at nine.
He's all the way to twenty one. There's no one
between nine and twenty one that's drafted a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, And that's the temptation for the Steelers, is you
just wait. It'd be a little bit a little bit.
Remember the the uh the mac Jones draft where the
Patriots needed a quarterback and they just waited and I
think it was fifteenth overall he was still there and
they were like, well, all right, fine, we'll go. Like
you could see that from the Steelers. Some of these
(27:26):
Saints beat reporters, they're like they're not drafting a quarterback
at ninth overall, and maybe that's true, maybe that would
become intriguing if they passed.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Should there is such an interesting prospect because I think
in the like most players, in the right situation, he
can really thrive. But the Saints are unique because they
need to reset their franchise in the worst way. They
have the least amount of cap space in twenty twenty
six coming up, and they need to do this for years. Brian.
(27:58):
If I were them, this is what I would do.
I'd eat this year. You have Kelimorias first season. You
set a foundation for what's expected, and when it comes
to the end of training camp, you are gutting the
roster man like you, all the old guys, you're gone,
You're you're traded, you're released, and you try to build
(28:20):
this team up from scratch next season. You try to
be competitive eachin every week. You win four games and
you're in the you know, the tank for archer manding
whatever whoever the next quarterback is. Because Sanders to me
for the Saints doesn't get you any closer to your
ultimate goal. And that's what I would do if I
were the Saints. I the Steilers need a quarterback far
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more than the Saints do right now. I mean, the
Saints just need to be bad to reset their franchise.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, I don't hate that at all. They've had to
do that for a long long time. And we're well
past the day and age of Drew Brees. You know,
you go back. You got to go back to twenty twenty.
That's when they were twelve and four in the playoffs
Drew Brees last year. Since then, they haven't won double
digit games in any season, and that's you know, they
(29:09):
went to seventeen games the year after, they went to
an extra game in twenty twenty one. They haven't gotten
to ten wins in the last four seasons. So I
don't hate that idea at all. Listen, I'm all for
taking swings. It just again, it matters on which pitch
you're swinging at. It depends on which quarterback. How good
(29:29):
of a prospect is he, what pick is it? You
know that all matters. I think you know, if you
look at the Colts, this won't happen, Jeff. But the
Colts don't have a quarterback. Anthony Richardson's not your quarterback
of the future. Daniel Jones sure, isn't your quarterback of
the future. I wouldn't let either of those quarterbacks prevent
me from taking a swing at fourteenth overall on Shador
(29:53):
Sanders if he's still there. I think that's absolutely what
they should do where they're picking the prospect, that makes
sense to me. I don't think they will. But to
your point, you do have to keep swinging to find
that quarterback of the now of the future. If you
don't have them, you're screwed. I just I leave a
little bit of space for like, you can't just be
(30:14):
swinging from the heels at any pitch. It depends on
the prospect, and it depends on which pick you have.
That does matter.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So the Coles shouldn't have a Daniel Jones Anthony Richardson
competition this season. That's not good for the Colts.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I don't think they should. I do not. I don't
think that's gonna get you anywhere. Have you, by the way,
have you? It's crazy if you look at Anthony Richardson
in the NFL and you look at Tim Tebow's career
in the NFL, their stats it's almost identical. Jeff. It
is so similar. You should never as an NFL quarterback
(30:49):
two years in be compared in any way, shape or
form to Tim Tebow. Great dude couldn't play. And Anthony
Richardson's stats are and freaking neck with Tim Tebow so
far he completed that's not your quarterback going.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
He put passes last season Anthony Richardon.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Did and eleven starts. I sub forty eight and eleven starts.
How how I was?
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Uh? I trained in Arizona in the off seasons, and
uh one of the facilis was that tea Bow was
there one off season in the summer. It was a
summer spring, summer, buddy it it was bad in person.
He could throw.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Were you thinking, you know, I had a better chance
at completing that pass?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
There was? There was. So we were in this facility
outside and it was like an old office plater that
turned into a facility. And in Arizona they have those
like what's the best way to put those car ports?
Like that shade they put it you like they put
in parking lots so your car doesn't burn while you
sure while you're sitting there, And like Tebo hit the
(31:55):
top of that one time throwing to someone who was
standing underneath the car. It's like like like buddy that
like you if that's not good? I mean you're right,
like great person. Sounds like a great person obviously when
he did at Florida, I mean great team leader, but
I mean he won an NFL game, was two for
eight as a passer.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That's right against your Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Well, what was my Chiefs then? But sure, yeah, that
was pre pre Jeff Schwartz. Uh that that's a that
was a.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Who was your childhood NFL team? Did you have for?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
My dad? Still roots for the Yeah? I don't. I don't.
I've gotten the point now where like I've made this point,
I rove for the Chiefs. My brother wants to roll there.
It's mostly Indy reithing at this point. I think when
Andy Reid leaves, I won't be such as a Chiefs fan.
I've said this for a while.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I just know.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I just that's a big part of I love Andy Reid.
The coaching staff I still know very well. Everyone's still there, well,
support staff still there. They treat they treated my brother
very well. And when Andy Reid leaves, I just don't
know if I'll still root for them the same way.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, maybe not. We do have a resident Bronco fan
in the building here. He's our producer, Justin Cooper, and
he just messaged to me about Tim Tebow couldn't throw
but in caps, but he could win what he threw
my way.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
How was it watching a game where where were like,
we just can't pass the ball.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Oh gosh, that was the most wild and frankly fun
season that I've ever had watching the Broncos, because it
was just like it was terrible and you knew and
you knew he couldn't.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Pass, but you were there was this weird, like, I
don't know, almost like magical element to it, where like,
but we could still win this game, and we did
win a lot of them. The game against the Jets
on Thursday night was crazy, and then the playoff game
where he hit DT in overtime to win against the Steelers.
(34:01):
I don't think I lost my voice. I went so crazy.
But so I feel like it's insulting to Tim Tebow
to compare him to the Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Oh no, it's not their Their numbers are like side
by side. Tebow's numbers in instances are better than Anthony Richardson's,
which is insane. The win thing Tebow was eight and six.
You know, he is eight and six at the end
of the day.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
One thing about t bow too like is it he
actually did not play a lot of football in the NFL.
We view him as like this, right, he didn't start
a lot of games. He just didn't play a lot. Now,
but the thing about the Richardson and TBO comparison is
that Richardson's arm is a thousand times better than Tbo's. Oh,
you should not even be the kid should not even
be a discussion for you. Richardson. His physical arm talent
(34:48):
is Tim just couldn't throw. Like it wasn't that he
he couldn't play. He was you know, like to the
point that we're making like he was a gamer or
whatever that whatever you want to mention that he he
was a gamer, like he used the physical abilities he
had for the best of his ability. He just couldn't throw.
Andy Richard can actually throw. He has an arm, like
(35:09):
a very good arm, and he makes a throw a game.
You're like, wow, that was an incredible throw. Then he
had won last year? Was it week one where he
was like scrambling and like he threw it, Yeah, this
is ball seventy yards down the field, but then the
next throw is like, you know, four feet behind him,
a guy in a slant.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I know, I know. It's gotta be so frustrated. I
think it's even more frustrating because you do get glimpses
of the talent at the NFL level with Anthony Richardson.
You did not get that with Tim Tebow, you know,
and they had a nice winning streak against a bunch
of sub five hundred teams. You know, that fires you up. Okay,
(35:47):
not the greatest long term formula, like, hey, our quarterback
can't throw. That's probably not gonna lead to long term success.
But listen, man, we should all be able to agree
it is. It is nightmare inducing. If your quarterback like
Anthony Richardson with the Colts, if he's putting up Tim
Tebow like numbers and that's what he's done in the
(36:08):
first two seasons in the NFL, it's not gonna work out.
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Ferrell fan.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Some people are, except when he's a USC guy. Otherwise
I like Will fail.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
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is releasing a documentary. It's on Gilbert Arenas and Javaris
Crittinton remember when they were teammates with Washington Wizards and
they had guns in the locker room. Yeah, so it's
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Come on that, Jeff, you can't do better than that
for a title for a doc.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I mean, I watch all these sports docs, so I'll
watch it. But was it, like, was there a need
for the story to be shared more? Well?
Speaker 1 (38:14):
There was a whole story beyond it, you know, it's
not just a you know, there was a gambling dead
and they brought guns into the locker room, and how
is that just a doc? There's there are more layers
to it than that. Where Crittinton he was wanted for.
I don't know what he was accused of a crime.
I don't know if they ever found guilty of it.
(38:35):
But it was a whole thing, you know, beyond that.
So those are the layers right there.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
I watch every sports doc like I I I love
I love the ball. Oh no, I can't get enough sports.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Break Which which ones do you like the most? Because
I know you watched I don't know what it's called,
but on the Olympics, like Olympic basketball.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Through it. Yeah, it was fantastic. I love that they
got everyone except except uh, except to do an interview.
It was fantastic everyone. I mean, look, the last dance
obviously was was fantastic. I'll just like to put on
the background when I'm working. I like to put like
sports talks on in the background when I'm working. They're
(39:18):
all They're just I like all of them.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
I like quarterback or receiver more.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Quarterback by far, by far quarterback. They haven't done offensive
line yet, unfortunately, so we're still need to do that.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
I would absolutely watch.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
It'd be so boring that they need to do the trenches.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Trenches, trenches, come on, we're following around, Uh, I don't know,
Crete Humphrey and who.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Meaning barbecue after every win. Yeah, to be fantastic.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Some of those guys are the best characters on the team.
I'd absolutely watch trenches all right. Coming up next, so
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