July 7, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian & Geoff talk about the idea that Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs have started a Super Bowl "drought," the Milwaukee Bucks continuing to add pieces to their roster hoping that Giannis will stay, Joey Chestnut making his triumphant return to the Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Contest, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, what's up? Good morning to you. Hope your Monday
is off to a great start, all right, Jeff, So
I would say, I don't know if this is a
hot take or a hot question. Right, this is from
Emmanuel Lacho. Think it does a great job on FS
one's the facility. So he brought up, hey, has the
Super Bowl drought for the Kansas City Chiefs started? There
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was a drought with Tom Brady went about a decade
between Super Bowl rings, and so Acho was wondering out loud,
if anything, or at least posing the question, is this
the same sort of thing that we're going to see
from Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Now we do have
the clip. I think the extended version is worth your time.
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It's only a minute here, but he explains the why
he thinks this might be a thing for Mahomes and
the Chiefs. Check it out.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Has the Super Bowl drought for the Kansas City Chiefs started?
Here's why I suggest that we all forget get in
the midst of praising Tom Brady, which we absolutely should.
The Patriots didn't win Super Bowl for ten years from
two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, they did not
win a Championship. They won three ten year break three.
Patrick Mahomes has already won his three. Are we in
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the midst of his ten year hiatus. Why I'm suggesting
that is the Eagles from a roster perspective are way, way, way,
way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. The Baltimore
Ravens from a roster perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Are way, way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The Buffalo Bills from a roster perspective are not way
better than the Kansas City Chiefs, but they are starting
to close the gap.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The Chargers, they are up and coming.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Jim Harbaugh in his second year with the San Francisco
forty nine Ers went to the Super Bowl. It's Jim
Harbaugh second year with the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Who knows what can happen?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Is has the drought begun for the Kansas City Chiefs
and has everybody just afraid to say it because it
is sacrilegious to talk about Patrick Mahomes And it's sacrilegious
to talk about Andy Reid has.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A drought with that. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I do like the end part that was cut off there.
I like Will Blackman his response to it. It's only
like a second check it out.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Hell, no, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
He's not buying it, not buying the Chiefs ten year drought.
Are you not buying this as well? Jeff?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, the Chiefs just playing a Super Bowl, so the
drought hasn't even begun yet. So it feels early to
declare a Super Bowl drought without actually happening, Right, I mean,
I get if they had it was a couple of
years removed from a super Bowl. They just played in
one last season. Tom Brady's Patriots did not play in
Super Bowl from the last one they won, right in
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four to seven, right where they ended up losing to
the Giants and lost again and eleven to the Giants,
Right that was, and then one and fourteen again.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I think people look at the Super Bowl and really
really in general standalone games, and often we have it
to stew on for a while and we overcomplicate our
analysis of it, right because it's the last game we
saw and the Egles thoroughly dominated the Chiefs, absolutely did.
But it was just one game, right in the NFL.
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One game, and we know that year to year the
NFL is different league, Right, what happens in one year
is not certainly happened in the next season. But let's
look at the Chiefs and think about what they've done
over these years, and they're one of the teams you
can rely on. Right, we know every year they're going
to be one of the best and then one of
the best because Mahomes is really good, as we know,
and I think he'll use last year's motivation. A lot
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of people are saying Mahomes is not the player he
used to be. The deep passing is not there, and
there's a decline coming at some point. Well, probably the
deep passing was not there last season because the roster
was not good on that side of the ball. Right,
Travis Kelce is entering year whatever thirteen, and even entering
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last season, my thought about his play was confirmed in
the first three weeks. I thought he was going to
be like late Rob Gronkowski, if you remember Rob right
who just sort of was on the roster with Tampa Bay,
but just was there for the big games, the big moment.
He showed up the rest of the season, didn't didn't
know he existed. That's what I thought. The Chief's planning
for Kelsey was last season until Ray she Rice got
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hurt in week four, and then Mahomes looks around and
on offense it's Travis Kelcey rookie, Xavier Worthy yea, and dudes,
because ray she Rice is hurt and Hollywood Brown is hurt,
they get to enter this training camp. Xavier Worthy year two,
Race she Rice healthy, Hollywood Brown healthy. It's a much
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better offense. They fix the offense line issues, so they're
going to be in my opinion, the roster is better
than last season. So to say they're going to decline,
and they might. And Ocho made the point. By the roster, right,
the Baltimore roster, the Buffalo roster, those teams can't be
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Chiefs in the post the matter of the roster, right like,
so I Baltimore and Buffalo I think are gonna be good.
I think, and Buffalo to me will be the one seed.
They gotta prove they could beat Kansas City because no
matter what roster the Chiefs show up with the postseason,
they can't beat the Chiefs. Brian so till someone actually
beats him, and that one team has been the Bengals,
by the way, who have done it consistently. Unless you
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can beat a team consistently, I can't say that other
team is in decline. So I get we're trying to
knock the Chiefs off. At some point, it's born to
talk about them all the time. I'm with the idea
of that, but until someone does it, I can't say
the Chiefs are dead right now.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, I can't either. And the first part when he's
explaining it, where I'm like, oh, I raise my hand.
I got a question here. Do you agree with this
that the Eagles and the Ravens are way, way, way,
way way better from a roster perspective than the Chiefs.
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs are better a quarterback in
the Eagles. Yeah, it's probably about it though, positionwise, right,
But they're not that. I mean they're not that. It's
not that it's not way way, way, way way. But
now thinking about the Chiefs though, is that they overcome
roster deficiencies and it's really essentially three ways right, which
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is coaching right, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and I think
on defense they're just they're very sound on defense, that
they have their style of play, and they don't make money,
and there is a value to this. I say, it's
all time in sports man, there's a value in not
losing games, right, Yeah, And the Chiefs don't lose games.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They might play sloppy at times, but they don't a
lot of teams. You watch bad football. We watched bad
bet on bad football unt all the time. The bad
teams are just lose games by doing dumb things and
making Chiefs don't do stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, the thing with the Eagles is they've lost a lot.
They lost a lot of players, Like one, they lost
their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore now the head coach with
the Saints. They lost eight key members of their defense.
Like some of these guys that contributed in a big way,
especially in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat gone, Milton Williams gone,
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Darius slay Is gone. Now he was banged up, underperforming,
but he's gone. Makai Beckton offensive lineman gone. All these
dudes are gone. So and also you look at the
cornerback depth. No CJ. Gardner Johnson, no Avonte Maddox, Like
that's a lot of talent that is not there. So
I don't think that the roster is leaps and bounds
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better than the Chiefs. The Chiefs they get Rushie Rice
back I think the offensive line should be better. Yeah,
and then you're talking about their defense was fourth in
scoring defense. The Eagles were second, but the Chiefs are
right there. And also i'd throw this out there too.
You think about the wear and tear of Saquon Barclay.
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He had four hundred and thirty six carries last year.
You include the playoff games, it's a total of twenty games,
four hundred plus carries. And then you add all the
you know, the catches out of the backfield. That is
a ton of wear and tear. And you know, there
are some comparisons to DeMarco Murray. Remember DeMarco where he
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had a crazy heavy workload in Dallas and then resurfaced
with the Eagles. He is a shell of himself. You know,
it happens a lot. So imagine if Saquon Barkley, due
to the heavy workload last season, takes a significant step
backwards this year, maybe he's banged up a little bit more.
Then what you like this idea that the Philly roster
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as leaps and bounds better or the Ravens roster as
leaps and bounds better. The Ravens are ninth in scoring defense,
pretty good, top ten again, Chiefs were fourth, Like, where
are the Ravens just separating themselves? Like clearly way ahead
of the Chiefs roster Winds. I don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I buy the Eagles a little bit. I just don't
buy the Ravens look at off defensively. Defensively, they're not
the same the same one. Barkeley discussion is really interesting
because I make a habit of wagering on running backs
to go under their yards for the season, because for
the most part they do. Injuries play a big factor
that and you really never want to say, hey, I'm
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basically betting on a guy to get hurt. That's basically
what you're betting on, right, because you know, if they
stay healthy, Barkley probably goes over. But the wear and
tear is like, it's very true, Like I I that
position unfortunately sees a large occurrence of injuries. And Barkley
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was very healthy last season. He was very productive last season,
especially the end of games when he was able to
really take advantage of defenses tiring out. And the history
of the NFL would show you that running backs with
those big workloads and there are guys that are rare.
I mean Adrian Peterson, was one of these guys that
just had the heavy workload. It was fine, and Barkley
is certainly up in that category, but nowadays they get
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hurt a lot. Brian and I haven't done the wager.
I haven't wager on Barkley's under yet. I am because
I think that I can look like a fool if
he stays healthy all season. But you do have to
wonder a little bit about that and do they tailor
their offense for that, and the thing you mentioned, I
think it's it's worth discussing a little bit more so.
Keller Moore is gone the offense coordinator, and they've had
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a lot of coordinator change on offense under under Hurts.
And it's not hurts fault at all. Right, coaches have
gone head coaching jobs. You can't blame. You can't blame
for that, but they just at some point the brain
drain just becomes too much. And last year's offense really
functioned well and was was well called, and it took
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a little bit time to figure out what they wanted
to be. Is it doesn't any new coordinator, but how
many times can they keep keep going through the coordinator
change and the offense be fine? That's I'm concerned about that.
Just you know they're gonna hit the home run again
for the third straight year, third straight OC, and I
I'm terribly concerned about just another OC for another season.
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It's it's very rare to have this much change at
that position each it's a third year in a row,
I believe, right, with a new office coordinator, and so
you just don't see that very often.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy too, where you don't see
any team quite like the Chiefs make it to as
many Super Bowls. They've been to the Super Bowl in
five of the last six years.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I mean they played in seven. They played in seven
AMSC Championship games. If hosted six of them, and the
two losses are overtime one to New England and Mahomes
first year as this starter, I was at that game
in Kansas City. If the championship game was was loud,
my head was hurting the next day. Wow. And then
obviously the Bengals and that the Chiefs were up in
that game by like three scores and you remember they
blew it. So yeah, the Chiefs have just they're always
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there and they have a tough schedule every year. There's
nothing new with all the schedule. Yeah, every year, every
other tough schedule. But the last thing about the Chiefs
bride that I think is worth discussing. Okay, So one
way that I like to handicap teams from year to years,
I look at the record of one score games, because
most often your record of one score game changes year
to year comes back to the middle. Right, So the
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Giants example one in eight last year. We'll talk about
the Giants at some point, I would imagine on our
Sunday show. But if you want a most time today,
normally the next year they're five and four right, six
and three, Right, It comes back to the middle. The
Chiefs record one score games is like thirteen and two
over the last couple of years. But we have to
look at it at the y Okay. A lot of
times close games are because teams getting the game is
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close all game and two minutes left in a play
here and there and boom. And that's why the next
year it changes, right, because those sort of fifty to
fifty bounces and plays, the next year you get them. Okay,
The Chiefs record close games is because they stop trying
in the third quarter. It's not because like their game
is close all game. A lot of times they're win
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they fall asleep for half a quarter and they come
back and they win the game, like they're never actually
in danger of losing the game.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
No, that's true, and I think those instances you forget
about them and you just remember Isaiah Likely's toe being
out of bounds. You know, there are some where it
is it is a close game, but there are a
lot where the game wasn't really in doubt, and you
just kind of forget about those and you think all
of them are Isaiah Likely games. It's not true. It's
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like they do take their foot off the gas pedal.
I'll put it this way. I appreciate Acho's hot take
or hot question right there, but I would put it
in betting terms. Jeff, are you taking the Chiefs to
win a Super Bowl in any of the next nine
seasons or are you just betting against them? Like, are
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you betting on the Chiefs and betting it? I'm betting
on them to win a Super Bowl within the next
nine years.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I would do that as well. I mean, look, the
Chiefs Ravens. The game actually to the Chiefs were up
ten points in the fourth quarter, like the like they
were they were winning. I think they were. They were
playing well.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I tell you what. The Chiefs right now to win
the division are minus one twenty and that is that
is Oh my gosh, I have wager on that already. Absolutely,
that's that's the lowest number you've gotten in seven years,
and that's in crazy low number.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm just trying not to parlay it with everything else.
I'm betting it's a good.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's a good like you, you know, Bill's Chiefs. I
feel like that would be a good way to put
to play the Bills. The Bills are so high, but
the Bills are winning that division.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Sorry, it's like it's like, oh gosh, my fin's gonna
be rough. But it's like, uh, the Seattle storm yesterday,
I'm like, do I just take a storm or do
I parlay it with everything else to win the division?
You know, like, yeah, tie up your money for good? Yeah,
about a year or so. It's rough to do.
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Speaker 3 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Coop, justin Cooper producing today, he sent me a video
is is you know the actor Jason Momoa, Jeff Familiar.
He was at a Pantera concert. Oh wow, yeah, and
he was getting after it like he Uh. He went
close to the stage, you know, dapped up phil Anselmo,
the singer, and the next thing you know, he's a
man of the people. He jumps in the crowd. There's
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a real concert does it right. You don't have a seat,
You go wherever you want to go at general admission
metal shows, that's the best. And he's in the mosh pit,
he's after getting after it. Shout out to Jason Momoa
doing that. You could tell he was a fan, like
knew the songs. He was, you know, banging to Cowboys
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me that video.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Very nice. Yeah, I'm not going to be there, but
I'm glad he I'm glad he enjoyed it. I'm going
The Lamb was the Lamb of God. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
you could.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You could do major damage in a moment.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I know. My my college roommate was my size, Jake
Hoko and uh he's six sixty three thirty and he
was a mosh pit guy. He loved the metal and
he was talking about he showed me how the technique,
like the arms, like I knew how to do it.
I just never have been to a mosh pit. I
think now probably, you know, not not my cup of
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tea to do. Like, I'm probably not gonna do that. Ever,
I'm at the point of my life where just probably
stay away from moshpits. But I get I get it.
I've seen it. I've seen it before.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, man, it just one time. If I was your size,
just one time, I'm like, I'm going to the mashpit
and I'm just destroying everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That's how you would use my size.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yes, that's what I would do. It's the first thing
I would check off the list, straight to the mash
pit and just launching people one after another. This is
what I would be doing. Okay, So the team that
is refusing to make the tough decision, Jeff, that would
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be the Milwaukee Bucks. So God blessed the Milwaukee Bucks.
They've signed another guy in an effort to strengthen the
roster and keep you honess at dead to koombo. Okay,
so they've just signed free agent guard Ryan Rollins. He
agreed to a three year, twelve million dollar deal. He
returns to the Bucks, gets a player option for the
third season. So he was with the Bucks. He signed
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on a two way contract in February of twenty twenty four.
So listen to this. In nineteen starts in place of
Damian Lillard when Dame went down due to injury, Rollin
sy he played pretty well. Right now, this is before
the Achilles injury in the playoffs, this is regular season stuff.
But in nineteen starts in place of Damian Lillard, he
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scored ten point two points per game, forty five point
two percent shooting from three. They're like forty five percent
from three, so he did alright, admirably. But look, man,
this is the deal, Jeff Lick. The Bucks are bringing
back all these dudes who are okay, they're all right,
but at the end of the day, it's a lackluster
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supporting cast. And even if Jannis comes back, the Bucks
are going nowhere. They're not winning the East, they're not
getting to the finals. They're not winning the finals, so
they're delaying the inevitable, which is the only way to
truly reset and prepare for the future is to trade Jannis.
It's not to sign Ryan Rollins and Gary Trent Junior
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and Kevin Porter Junior and all these dudes. They're not
going anywhere even with Jannis, so it's time to deal Yiannis.
And they just will not make that decision. They're doing
everything in their power not to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, So obviously two ways to build a sports team, right,
there's the here and now, right, the short term and
the long term. And you know sometimes they can be,
you know, one one in the same and but lot
of times they're not right. And you know, the Bucks
are certainly thinking in the short term here and look
from the ownership perspective, keeping Yannis, keeping fans in the stands,
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keeping interest in your team might be more beneficial than
actually thinking about the future. But you're right, even in
in the East, that will have the Celtics pull back,
the Pacers pull back because of injuries and roster decisions.
The Bucks are still not winning the East right with
the roster they have, and Giannis is fantastic and carry
them you know, probably further than most can. But they're
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not winning the championship and they're not waiting to it
next year and the year after that. And you're exactly right.
Thinking about the future. The long term would be important
in this instance, and that requires sometimes very hard decisions
to be made. And if you were to sell your
team with the idea that we're going to trade Honis,
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but that we won our championship with the honest which
they have, He's given us, you know, more than we
ever could have thought. Congratulate him on his career in Milwaukee,
and then articulate a plan for the future. We're using
these draft picks the players we get back for this.
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I think fans appreciate honesty and appreciate not being misled,
and they trust the Look, Oklahoma City just went through this, right,
They trust the process if they trust the leaders in
charge to be honest with them. And that's what the
Bucks have to do. You have to say, look, and
they're not doing it now because they're all in on
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the honest. And from a business perspective, Brian, I get it.
I don't I might not agree with it, but I
get it. From the ownership perspective, but they're looking way
too short term. When you tease the second by the way,
I thought you'renna talk about Pittsburgh Steelers, the same the
same thing, same thing, right, Like just a refusal to
acknowledge any long term plan. The Bucks. The long term
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plan and most is two years. Let's just have you
honest for two more years, instead of just saying, look, man,
we get this for him, we get that for him,
let's do that now. So I think we are an agreement.
It's a mistake for the Bucks to go this direction
short term gain and in a couple of years, they're
putting off the inevitable, which is their team will not
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have you honest in a few years and will look
just much different.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Right. And that's the thing, man is I get it.
Like the fan base loves Giannis. A lot of fan
bases love the star players, especially when they were nothing
before the star got there. And the Bucks had some
lean or awful years before Yannis was there. They had
a mixture of both, So I get that they don't.
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That's scary. Life without Yiannis is very scary. But he
is an NBA superstar who's still playing at an MVP level. Yeah,
you can completely reset your franchise and be better off
for the future. They don't have draft picks, they don't
have any maneuverability, they're capped out, and they're still losing
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in the first round each of the last three years.
So you got to use your main asset and reshape
your entire franchise. Think about the Celtics, like the Celtics
adorre Celtic fans adored Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. They
hadn't won a championship in over two decades, and they
finally won one with those guys as the Stars, and
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the Celtics dealt them. They traded them and they were
able to get Tatum and Brown among other assets out
of that trade. Out of that deal. I know Bucks fans,
they go kicking and screaming into the night if the
Bucks made the hard decision and traded Giannis. But they
would come around if all of a sudden, those draft
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picks and that young talent turned into a title contender
and a title winner, which has happened with the newer
Celtics with Tatum and Brown. So it's not like they're
still gonna be like I still wanted old Paul Pierce
an old kge like they're gonna come around and be fine.
You just and imagine the worst case scenario, Jeff is
if they don't make the tough decision, Giannis agrees to stay,
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and then Giannis gets hurt. He's had a calf injury before.
What if he blows his achilles? Then what then? What
do you have? You just had that with Dame and
you bought him out. Now you don't have a tradable
asset where you're gonna get top dollar. You're gambling way
too much by keeping him.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I agree and again that the tough decisions in sports,
you know, are these That's why you get paid the
big bucks to be a general manager. I do wonder
how much you they have new ownership down Milwaukee. I
do wonder how much owners play a role all this. Right,
they don't sign off on day and a stuff, and
they sign off on big superstars and what to do
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with them. I do wonder if a new ownership was like,
you have to keep you honest, which is fair. I mean,
that's their prerogative, they can do that. But I do
wonder how much that was a discussion this offseason, right
Brian of like, yeah, Hey, with new ownership, we got
to keep you, honest, because you know, you don't want
to come in right away and gut the team, right,
But now you're in a situation where you can't really
do it after this season anyway, So you're kind of stuck,
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you know, where you are the last a couple of
seasons with this roster, with Miles Turner, with with now
Jannis And how much do you think the backlash to
the Luca trade, which is it would be a much
different trade than trading Yannis plays a role. I mean,
the backlash was so was so harsh, But again, different situations, right,
Luca still very young, how to win a championship. Jannis
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has played a lot of basketball, he has won a championship.
There's still a lot of basketball left in him. But
he is getting older and his style of play is
very physical. It's a very physical style of play, right,
and so different situations, But you know, the backlash was
so super Maybe if they trade honest they got the
first pick of the draft next year, that actually could
be to call at him solver for that is that
the way it works, the frozen, the frozen envelope is
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vulnerable for them. I still kick it over. How casually
we dismissed the MAVs having the first pick. That would
be like the Bengals, right, who were the best team
to never to never make the postseason last season, the
best team ever to have the playoff team. However, the
first pick of the draft. You'd be like, what, I'm there,
the first pick in the draft for it's the MAVs,
the mass guys, Dallas Mavericks won a playing game. They
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won like one quote unuote playoff game essentially, and you
got the first pick of the draft. It's absolutely ludicrous.
Maybe if the Bucks had called out him, sober up
and made a deal like hey, we'll track Yourns on
draft that if we get the first pick in the draft.
It's very short sighted. It reminds you what the Steelers
keep doing, Brian, which is refusing to acknowledge the heart
truth of where they are as a franchise. The best
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franchises are always the ones that are able to pivot
to move quickly. And the Bucks again, I understan, I
want to keep a superstar, but they're doing the same
thing over and over again, which is which you know,
it's a lunatic, right, like doing the same thing over
and over again. You know, it's it's lunacy. So the
tough decision has to be made, and they made decision
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that was easy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah they did. And a lot of times you're worse
off for making the easy decision alue franchise it you
hit on something interesting. Is there a portion of this
where they're they're looking at the Dallas Mavericks and like
oof man, Nico Harrison is getting roasted right now? Does
that make a GM a little bit more reluctant to
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make a trade or ownership a little more reluctant? Maybe?
I mean maybe it plays a little babe.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Again though right like that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, definitely different. But you know, it's an interesting thought.
Is it something that maybe is in the back of
your head or plays a minor role, not the ultimate role.
But the other thing is, man, that's the tough part
of being a GM. Let's just say and I don't
believe this is the case, but let's just say it is.
Imagine if the GM is like, all right, it's staring
at me in the face. I have to reset the franchise,
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I have to trade Gianness, I have to do it,
and ownership's like you will not do that. You can't
go out publicly and be like you're a press conference
setting like I would. I need to trade them, but
ownership won't let me. Like you just have to sit
there and act like in your idea. That's what you
get paid for. That's that's rough, man. If you're not
signing off on it and you have to act as
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if you are, I'd be like, you know, it's like
a hosted video, like I'm blinking five times, like this
is not my idea. I'm hoping people can read between
the lines. You know, I couldn't keep a straight face
like that.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But that's how they get paid a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And you know, I am always of the opinion that
ownership should stay out of personal decisions, except I think
they do have the right when it comes to these
superstars to have a say. But the best owners, the
best owners always sort of let their people they hired decisions.
You know, you as an owner, you're you're not you know,
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for NFL term, you're not grinding the film right, you're
not paying attention to to to the sport like that.
And if you're a good owner, you're probably successful in business.
If you understand how important is to hire people you trust, right,
And if you're hiring a general manager or personnel guy,
you hired them to do their job, and their job
might be difficult decisions, and the best owners tend to
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rely on those on those they trust, right, they hired
them to make those decisions for them. And if if
the general manager and were walking them up to them
and said, hey, man, you know, I think it's best
to trade be honest, Yeah, ownership would take a hit.
They wouldn't as many fans in the stands, they wouldn't
make as much money, but they would be a better
team in the end, most likely five six, seven years
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from now, which again you have to think about the
short term in the long term. And if ownership really
said to them, hey, we're we're out. We're out on
this idea. You know, it's just not it's it's it's
just not the only owner I think that they actually,
you know, I mean it should be a play basketball.
I think might be able to say, like, hey, you know,
I have a thought on this. Otherwise, like why would
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the Bucks new Bucks? It's a rod it's part he's
a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, I know some of these ownership guys, it's like,
you made your fortune in real estate, What the hell
do you know about this player? Like really, no, you know, I'll.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Give you an example in in my in my in
my town in Charlotte. So about So, David Tepper owns
the Panthers, and he's a hedge fund guy, right, and
I think he was way too hands on for the
first six years. And now I think very clearly he's
letting Dan Morgan, the drum Measuer, do his job because
the team just looks better, it's it's constructed better. And really,
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I know these owners, it's their money, it's their baby.
They want. But you've hired people to do their job,
and if you let them do their job right, you're
gonna have more success. And you see all the time,
I mean, look what you know, Look the Chiefs let
let Andy Reid and John Dorsey make the pad Mahomes decision.
Alex Smith. The Chiefs just been with Alex Smith. He's
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gone on the plaffs every year, absolutely, and just hosted
a playoff game every third year and and just gone
and just made money that way. But they trusted themselves,
they trusted their people, the Eagles, right, I mean, you know,
Lurie could have been like, we're not getting rid of
Carson Wentz. Never do that. We're not doing that, and
they would have been stuck with with Carson Wentz. To
Jalen Hurts, you got to let your front office people
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do their job.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right. So this was putting a bow on it.
I love this audio from Brian Windhorst on ESPN. If
you're asking me, do I think the Bucks can put
a team together that compete to win the Eastern Conference?
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Pretty short and simple, right, I like that right to
the point. No, I do not. And if that's the case,
you gotta freaking pivot. You gotta go in a different direction,
just like, ah, but we'll make some cash, right, No,
it's not good enough. Here's some other audio for you, Jeff.
This was audio of the Nathan's hot dog eating contest
on the fourth of July, complements of ESPN.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Check this out with seventy point five hot dogs and
buns in ten minutes, the Nathan's famous fourth of July
Champion of the World Joey.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Jeff, you know, I will say, like the coverage, I
haven't seen it live. It's on very early.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know most of New Eastern very very.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Early West Coast time. Jeff, we're talking like it.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ended up not starting because I was on the radio,
and starts till like twelve forty five Easter just when
the first hot dog was.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So before ten o'clock you're telling me on the that's
very early West Coast time.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know you have a different suit schedule than I think.
But because you're like you're texting me like the group text,
you're like playing the poker at at four am on
the Pacific. I bet the over because I'm American. On
Joey oh Man, you get hooked a hot dog under
everyone went under by the way, like all the everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah right. But that's the thing though, that's I think
they do a great job with the coverage. I just
catch the highlights because I'm not this not an NFL game.
I'm not waking up for this thing, you know. But
I catch the highlights. And the announcer guy is awesome.
I don't know his name, but it's all just tongue
in cheek, you know, and he's like he was graced
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by the gods and the he's just making stuff up
on the fly pretty much. But the thing is, it's amazing.
He ate seventy and a half hot dogs and buns
in ten minutes. That's amazing. And it's like we just
kind of like joke around, like.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Eh, look at him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He's doing this thing that is astounding that anyone can
eat that much in that short of a period of time.
That's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I watch it every year, but it is in his
supremely gross. There's no it is. It is a It
makes my stomach hurt. It makes me just like feel
ill watching him do it. But you have to watch
because it's it's a Fourth of July tradition obviously, and
it's just one of those things that you can't look
away from. There was a I saw a video too
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of a guy who drank like a gallon of lemonade
in twenty one seconds or some insane number like that.
They have eating They have a major league eating as
a as a league, and they have rankings and Joe
Justin's obviously number one. If you click on his profile,
it lists all the records that he has for things
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he's eaten. And Brian, how many eggs do you think
hardboll eggs you think Joe just has eaten in eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Oh gosh, I'm sure something insane. If he's putting down
seventy and a half hot dogs, I'll put it somewhere
around and I'll say sixty five couple of minutes off.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
One hundred and forty one hard bulldogs eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Uh, shrimp wantons three and ninety in eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't understand. That's the funny thing, Jeff. I'm literally
the slowest eater on the face of the earth. If
they had a competitive eating contest, was giving an honest effort, yes,
I would beat anybody in terms of being the slowest.
I could maybe in ten minutes. To hot dog getting contests,
I could maybe get through like three quarters of a
hot dog. With the bun, I couldn't even do one.
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I don't know. I just I have to chew my
food up so much or then I can just, you know,
do the rest. I don't know why, And then I
just lose focus. I've been eating for so long and
chewing so much. Did I just start watching this show
or whatever, reading this thing, and then it just takes
even longer. It's it's obnoxious, purely not my problem. I Uh,
(35:54):
I wish I could. I wish I could some of
my friends just inhale their food. I wish I can't.
All Right, come it up next, Which impressive record will
be broken first? He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. Now we're
in for two pros and a cup of joe right
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
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Speaker 1 (36:24):
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. No, we're in for two
pros and a cup of joe right here on Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, Jeff, so ball always on the brain, right,
football on the brain. I got a question for you.
Which NFL record do you think will be broken first?
And later on I'll give you the reason why I
even thought about this, but it doesn't matter right now.
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Do you think this single season touchdown catch record will
be broken first? Or do you think this single season
sack record will be broken first? So, Randy Moss has
the single season touchdown catch record. That's twenty three touchdown grabs.
He had that in the seven season when they went
undefeated those Patriots, and then the sack record single season
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Michael Strahan twenty two and a half sacks in one
and also TJ. Watt don't forget about that twenty two
and a half sacks in twenty twenty one. So they
both they share it. So which do you think is
gonna be broken? First? You think someone's getting the twenty
four touchdown grabs or someone's getting twenty three sacks in
a season.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think sacks. I think sai Remember Justin Justin Houston
at twenty two in twenty fourteen. Wow, he was close.
You look at some of these guys eighteen, nineteen twenty,
I mean they're they're they're up there. Touchdown one just
feels well the way the NFL's played now, and it's
it feels so unlikely. Dude. These quarterbacks take away touchdowns
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for their wide receivers with their legs, which is not
a bad thing if you look at for this, just
you know, like you're Tom Brady was only throwing the
ball to get, you know, to get touchdowns. All these
quarterbacks now you take away five touchdowns a year by
running the football right, by running it in the game
is moving more towards the running back a little bit. Right,
it's moving back in that direction a little bit. So
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I think there's less opportunities. Sometimes I just don't. I
don't think that that touchdown record the MOSC one is
in any danger whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, I'm with you, because listen, it's passing league, so
much more opportunities for a great pass rusher to accumulate
those sacks. And then the other thing we always talk
about this with the running backs, which is we no
longer have those bell cow running backs, right, the running
backs that just get the lion's share of the carries.
(38:47):
Very rarely we do. We just had Saquon bar Yeah
that's the only one. Derek Henry at a high number.
But it's rare. You normally get these, you know, like
the Alvin Kamara mark Ingram Saints. You know, we're you
get the two headed monsters, sometimes the three headed monster.
We always talk about that with running backs. You can
apply the same thing to wide receivers. When do you
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have the team. Look, the Bengals just paid top dollar
for T Higgins. They have Jamar Chase and they're like, well,
we gotta get T Higgins back here, Like forget the defense.
We'll figure it out. Like I know, it was awful,
but let's get t Higgins back. There are rarely teams
that just have that one stud receiver who's just putting
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up numbers, because chances are there's another receiver that's really
good and gaining yards and catching passes and scoring touchdowns.
Really hard to put together twenty four touchdown grabs in
one season. With today's NFL, they just they have numerous
playmakers on every offense.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
It's just not gonna happen. I think this acting is
can totally happen. It feels way more likely.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, they were just showing highlights. They were doing the
Sports Center thing in West Virginia, so they were showing
Randy Moss highlights and they showed his twenty three touchdowns college. Yeah. Yeah,
the Marshal days too. He should have been at Notre Dame. Jeff,
that's a miss right there, all right,
Oh, what's up? Good morning to you. Hope your Monday
is off to a great start, all right, Jeff, So
I would say, I don't know if this is a
hot take or a hot question. Right, this is from
Emmanuel Lacho. Think it does a great job on FS
one's the facility. So he brought up, hey, has the
Super Bowl drought for the Kansas City Chiefs started? There
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was a drought with Tom Brady went about a decade
between Super Bowl rings, and so Acho was wondering out loud,
if anything, or at least posing the question, is this
the same sort of thing that we're going to see
from Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs. Now we do have
the clip. I think the extended version is worth your time.
(00:47):
It's only a minute here, but he explains the why
he thinks this might be a thing for Mahomes and
the Chiefs. Check it out.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Has the Super Bowl drought for the Kansas City Chiefs started?
Here's why I suggest that we all forget get in
the midst of praising Tom Brady, which we absolutely should.
The Patriots didn't win Super Bowl for ten years from
two thousand and four to twenty fourteen, they did not
win a Championship. They won three ten year break three.
Patrick Mahomes has already won his three. Are we in
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the midst of his ten year hiatus. Why I'm suggesting
that is the Eagles from a roster perspective are way, way, way,
way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs. The Baltimore
Ravens from a roster perspective.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Are way, way way better than the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The Buffalo Bills from a roster perspective are not way
better than the Kansas City Chiefs, but they are starting
to close the gap.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
The Chargers, they are up and coming.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Jim Harbaugh in his second year with the San Francisco
forty nine Ers went to the Super Bowl. It's Jim
Harbaugh second year with the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Who knows what can happen?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Is has the drought begun for the Kansas City Chiefs
and has everybody just afraid to say it because it
is sacrilegious to talk about Patrick Mahomes And it's sacrilegious
to talk about Andy Reid has.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
A drought with that. Now.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I do like the end part that was cut off there.
I like Will Blackman his response to it. It's only
like a second check it out.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Hell, no, this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
He's not buying it, not buying the Chiefs ten year drought.
Are you not buying this as well? Jeff?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, the Chiefs just playing a Super Bowl, so the
drought hasn't even begun yet. So it feels early to
declare a Super Bowl drought without actually happening, Right, I mean,
I get if they had it was a couple of
years removed from a super Bowl. They just played in
one last season. Tom Brady's Patriots did not play in
Super Bowl from the last one they won, right in
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four to seven, right where they ended up losing to
the Giants and lost again and eleven to the Giants,
Right that was, and then one and fourteen again.
Speaker 5 (02:46):
Right.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
I think people look at the Super Bowl and really
really in general standalone games, and often we have it
to stew on for a while and we overcomplicate our
analysis of it, right because it's the last game we
saw and the Egles thoroughly dominated the Chiefs, absolutely did.
But it was just one game, right in the NFL.
(03:12):
One game, and we know that year to year the
NFL is different league, Right, what happens in one year
is not certainly happened in the next season. But let's
look at the Chiefs and think about what they've done
over these years, and they're one of the teams you
can rely on. Right, we know every year they're going
to be one of the best and then one of
the best because Mahomes is really good, as we know,
and I think he'll use last year's motivation. A lot
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of people are saying Mahomes is not the player he
used to be. The deep passing is not there, and
there's a decline coming at some point. Well, probably the
deep passing was not there last season because the roster
was not good on that side of the ball. Right,
Travis Kelce is entering year whatever thirteen, and even entering
(03:54):
last season, my thought about his play was confirmed in
the first three weeks. I thought he was going to
be like late Rob Gronkowski, if you remember Rob right
who just sort of was on the roster with Tampa Bay,
but just was there for the big games, the big moment.
He showed up the rest of the season, didn't didn't
know he existed. That's what I thought. The Chief's planning
for Kelsey was last season until Ray she Rice got
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hurt in week four, and then Mahomes looks around and
on offense it's Travis Kelcey rookie, Xavier Worthy yea, and dudes,
because ray she Rice is hurt and Hollywood Brown is hurt,
they get to enter this training camp. Xavier Worthy year two,
Race she Rice healthy, Hollywood Brown healthy. It's a much
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better offense. They fix the offense line issues, so they're
going to be in my opinion, the roster is better
than last season. So to say they're going to decline,
and they might. And Ocho made the point. By the roster, right,
the Baltimore roster, the Buffalo roster, those teams can't be
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Chiefs in the post the matter of the roster, right like,
so I Baltimore and Buffalo I think are gonna be good.
I think, and Buffalo to me will be the one seed.
They gotta prove they could beat Kansas City because no
matter what roster the Chiefs show up with the postseason,
they can't beat the Chiefs. Brian so till someone actually
beats him, and that one team has been the Bengals,
by the way, who have done it consistently. Unless you
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can beat a team consistently, I can't say that other
team is in decline. So I get we're trying to
knock the Chiefs off. At some point, it's born to
talk about them all the time. I'm with the idea
of that, but until someone does it, I can't say
the Chiefs are dead right now.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
No, I can't either. And the first part when he's
explaining it, where I'm like, oh, I raise my hand.
I got a question here. Do you agree with this
that the Eagles and the Ravens are way, way, way,
way way better from a roster perspective than the Chiefs.
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Well, I mean, the Chiefs are better a quarterback in
the Eagles. Yeah, it's probably about it though, positionwise, right,
But they're not that. I mean they're not that. It's
not that it's not way way, way, way way. But
now thinking about the Chiefs though, is that they overcome
roster deficiencies and it's really essentially three ways right, which
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is coaching right, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and I think
on defense they're just they're very sound on defense, that
they have their style of play, and they don't make money,
and there is a value to this. I say, it's
all time in sports man, there's a value in not
losing games, right, Yeah, And the Chiefs don't lose games.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They might play sloppy at times, but they don't a
lot of teams. You watch bad football. We watched bad
bet on bad football unt all the time. The bad
teams are just lose games by doing dumb things and
making Chiefs don't do stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Well, the thing with the Eagles is they've lost a lot.
They lost a lot of players, Like one, they lost
their offensive coordinator, Kellen Moore now the head coach with
the Saints. They lost eight key members of their defense.
Like some of these guys that contributed in a big way,
especially in the Super Bowl. Josh Sweat gone, Milton Williams gone,
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Darius slay Is gone. Now he was banged up, underperforming,
but he's gone. Makai Beckton offensive lineman gone. All these
dudes are gone. So and also you look at the
cornerback depth. No CJ. Gardner Johnson, no Avonte Maddox, Like
that's a lot of talent that is not there. So
I don't think that the roster is leaps and bounds
(07:34):
better than the Chiefs. The Chiefs they get Rushie Rice
back I think the offensive line should be better. Yeah,
and then you're talking about their defense was fourth in
scoring defense. The Eagles were second, but the Chiefs are
right there. And also i'd throw this out there too.
You think about the wear and tear of Saquon Barclay.
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He had four hundred and thirty six carries last year.
You include the playoff games, it's a total of twenty games,
four hundred plus carries. And then you add all the
you know, the catches out of the backfield. That is
a ton of wear and tear. And you know, there
are some comparisons to DeMarco Murray. Remember DeMarco where he
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had a crazy heavy workload in Dallas and then resurfaced
with the Eagles. He is a shell of himself. You know,
it happens a lot. So imagine if Saquon Barkley, due
to the heavy workload last season, takes a significant step
backwards this year, maybe he's banged up a little bit more.
Then what you like this idea that the Philly roster
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as leaps and bounds better or the Ravens roster as
leaps and bounds better. The Ravens are ninth in scoring defense,
pretty good, top ten again, Chiefs were fourth, Like, where
are the Ravens just separating themselves? Like clearly way ahead
of the Chiefs roster Winds. I don't buy that.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I buy the Eagles a little bit. I just don't
buy the Ravens look at off defensively. Defensively, they're not
the same the same one. Barkeley discussion is really interesting
because I make a habit of wagering on running backs
to go under their yards for the season, because for
the most part they do. Injuries play a big factor
that and you really never want to say, hey, I'm
(09:19):
basically betting on a guy to get hurt. That's basically
what you're betting on, right, because you know, if they
stay healthy, Barkley probably goes over. But the wear and
tear is like, it's very true, Like I I that
position unfortunately sees a large occurrence of injuries. And Barkley
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was very healthy last season. He was very productive last season,
especially the end of games when he was able to
really take advantage of defenses tiring out. And the history
of the NFL would show you that running backs with
those big workloads and there are guys that are rare.
I mean Adrian Peterson, was one of these guys that
just had the heavy workload. It was fine, and Barkley
is certainly up in that category, but nowadays they get
(10:05):
hurt a lot. Brian and I haven't done the wager.
I haven't wager on Barkley's under yet. I am because
I think that I can look like a fool if
he stays healthy all season. But you do have to
wonder a little bit about that and do they tailor
their offense for that, and the thing you mentioned, I
think it's it's worth discussing a little bit more so.
Keller Moore is gone the offense coordinator, and they've had
(10:28):
a lot of coordinator change on offense under under Hurts.
And it's not hurts fault at all. Right, coaches have
gone head coaching jobs. You can't blame. You can't blame
for that, but they just at some point the brain
drain just becomes too much. And last year's offense really
functioned well and was was well called, and it took
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a little bit time to figure out what they wanted
to be. Is it doesn't any new coordinator, but how
many times can they keep keep going through the coordinator
change and the offense be fine? That's I'm concerned about that.
Just you know they're gonna hit the home run again
for the third straight year, third straight OC, and I
I'm terribly concerned about just another OC for another season.
(11:11):
It's it's very rare to have this much change at
that position each it's a third year in a row,
I believe, right, with a new office coordinator, and so
you just don't see that very often.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy too, where you don't see
any team quite like the Chiefs make it to as
many Super Bowls. They've been to the Super Bowl in
five of the last six years.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I mean they played in seven. They played in seven
AMSC Championship games. If hosted six of them, and the
two losses are overtime one to New England and Mahomes
first year as this starter, I was at that game
in Kansas City. If the championship game was was loud,
my head was hurting the next day. Wow. And then
obviously the Bengals and that the Chiefs were up in
that game by like three scores and you remember they
blew it. So yeah, the Chiefs have just they're always
(11:58):
there and they have a tough schedule every year. There's
nothing new with all the schedule. Yeah, every year, every
other tough schedule. But the last thing about the Chiefs
bride that I think is worth discussing. Okay, So one
way that I like to handicap teams from year to years,
I look at the record of one score games, because
most often your record of one score game changes year
to year comes back to the middle. Right, So the
(12:19):
Giants example one in eight last year. We'll talk about
the Giants at some point, I would imagine on our
Sunday show. But if you want a most time today,
normally the next year they're five and four right, six
and three, Right, It comes back to the middle. The
Chiefs record one score games is like thirteen and two
over the last couple of years. But we have to
look at it at the y Okay. A lot of
times close games are because teams getting the game is
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close all game and two minutes left in a play
here and there and boom. And that's why the next
year it changes, right, because those sort of fifty to
fifty bounces and plays, the next year you get them. Okay,
The Chiefs record close games is because they stop trying
in the third quarter. It's not because like their game
is close all game. A lot of times they're win
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they fall asleep for half a quarter and they come
back and they win the game, like they're never actually
in danger of losing the game.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
No, that's true, and I think those instances you forget
about them and you just remember Isaiah Likely's toe being
out of bounds. You know, there are some where it
is it is a close game, but there are a
lot where the game wasn't really in doubt, and you
just kind of forget about those and you think all
of them are Isaiah Likely games. It's not true. It's
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like they do take their foot off the gas pedal.
I'll put it this way. I appreciate Acho's hot take
or hot question right there, but I would put it
in betting terms. Jeff, are you taking the Chiefs to
win a Super Bowl in any of the next nine
seasons or are you just betting against them? Like, are
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you betting on the Chiefs and betting it? I'm betting
on them to win a Super Bowl within the next
nine years.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I would do that as well. I mean, look, the
Chiefs Ravens. The game actually to the Chiefs were up
ten points in the fourth quarter, like the like they
were they were winning. I think they were. They were
playing well.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I tell you what. The Chiefs right now to win
the division are minus one twenty and that is that
is Oh my gosh, I have wager on that already. Absolutely,
that's that's the lowest number you've gotten in seven years,
and that's in crazy low number.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I'm just trying not to parlay it with everything else.
I'm betting it's a good.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
It's a good like you, you know, Bill's Chiefs. I
feel like that would be a good way to put
to play the Bills. The Bills are so high, but
the Bills are winning that division.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Sorry, it's like it's like, oh gosh, my fin's gonna
be rough. But it's like, uh, the Seattle storm yesterday,
I'm like, do I just take a storm or do
I parlay it with everything else to win the division?
You know, like, yeah, tie up your money for good? Yeah,
about a year or so. It's rough to do.
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Shout out to Loraina, a good pull by her.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Coop, justin Cooper producing today, he sent me a video
is is you know the actor Jason Momoa, Jeff Familiar.
He was at a Pantera concert. Oh wow, yeah, and
he was getting after it like he Uh. He went
close to the stage, you know, dapped up phil Anselmo,
the singer, and the next thing you know, he's a
man of the people. He jumps in the crowd. There's
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people everywhere. General admission. Of course, that's the only way
a real concert does it right. You don't have a seat,
You go wherever you want to go at general admission
metal shows, that's the best. And he's in the mosh pit,
he's after getting after it. Shout out to Jason Momoa
doing that. You could tell he was a fan, like
knew the songs. He was, you know, banging to Cowboys
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from Hell. It was great. I'm glad that Coop sent
me that video.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Very nice. Yeah, I'm not going to be there, but
I'm glad he I'm glad he enjoyed it. I'm going
The Lamb was the Lamb of God. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
you could.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You could do major damage in a moment.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
I know. My my college roommate was my size, Jake
Hoko and uh he's six sixty three thirty and he
was a mosh pit guy. He loved the metal and
he was talking about he showed me how the technique,
like the arms, like I knew how to do it.
I just never have been to a mosh pit. I
think now probably, you know, not not my cup of
(17:35):
tea to do. Like, I'm probably not gonna do that. Ever,
I'm at the point of my life where just probably
stay away from moshpits. But I get I get it.
I've seen it. I've seen it before.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, man, it just one time. If I was your size,
just one time, I'm like, I'm going to the mashpit
and I'm just destroying everybody.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
That's how you would use my size.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yes, that's what I would do. It's the first thing
I would check off the list, straight to the mash
pit and just launching people one after another. This is
what I would be doing. Okay, So the team that
is refusing to make the tough decision, Jeff, that would
(18:16):
be the Milwaukee Bucks. So God blessed the Milwaukee Bucks.
They've signed another guy in an effort to strengthen the
roster and keep you honess at dead to koombo. Okay,
so they've just signed free agent guard Ryan Rollins. He
agreed to a three year, twelve million dollar deal. He
returns to the Bucks, gets a player option for the
third season. So he was with the Bucks. He signed
(18:38):
on a two way contract in February of twenty twenty four.
So listen to this. In nineteen starts in place of
Damian Lillard when Dame went down due to injury, Rollin
sy he played pretty well. Right now, this is before
the Achilles injury in the playoffs, this is regular season stuff.
But in nineteen starts in place of Damian Lillard, he
(19:00):
scored ten point two points per game, forty five point
two percent shooting from three. They're like forty five percent
from three, so he did alright, admirably. But look, man,
this is the deal, Jeff Lick. The Bucks are bringing
back all these dudes who are okay, they're all right,
but at the end of the day, it's a lackluster
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supporting cast. And even if Jannis comes back, the Bucks
are going nowhere. They're not winning the East, they're not
getting to the finals. They're not winning the finals, so
they're delaying the inevitable, which is the only way to
truly reset and prepare for the future is to trade Jannis.
It's not to sign Ryan Rollins and Gary Trent Junior
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and Kevin Porter Junior and all these dudes. They're not
going anywhere even with Jannis, so it's time to deal Yiannis.
And they just will not make that decision. They're doing
everything in their power not to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Yeah, So obviously two ways to build a sports team, right,
there's the here and now, right, the short term and
the long term. And you know sometimes they can be,
you know, one one in the same and but lot
of times they're not right. And you know, the Bucks
are certainly thinking in the short term here and look
from the ownership perspective, keeping Yannis, keeping fans in the stands,
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keeping interest in your team might be more beneficial than
actually thinking about the future. But you're right, even in
in the East, that will have the Celtics pull back,
the Pacers pull back because of injuries and roster decisions.
The Bucks are still not winning the East right with
the roster they have, and Giannis is fantastic and carry
them you know, probably further than most can. But they're
(20:44):
not winning the championship and they're not waiting to it
next year and the year after that. And you're exactly right.
Thinking about the future. The long term would be important
in this instance, and that requires sometimes very hard decisions
to be made. And if you were to sell your
team with the idea that we're going to trade Honis,
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but that we won our championship with the honest which
they have, He's given us, you know, more than we
ever could have thought. Congratulate him on his career in Milwaukee,
and then articulate a plan for the future. We're using
these draft picks the players we get back for this.
(21:29):
I think fans appreciate honesty and appreciate not being misled,
and they trust the Look, Oklahoma City just went through this, right,
They trust the process if they trust the leaders in
charge to be honest with them. And that's what the
Bucks have to do. You have to say, look, and
they're not doing it now because they're all in on
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the honest. And from a business perspective, Brian, I get it.
I don't I might not agree with it, but I
get it. From the ownership perspective, but they're looking way
too short term. When you tease the second by the way,
I thought you'renna talk about Pittsburgh Steelers, the same the
same thing, same thing, right, Like just a refusal to
acknowledge any long term plan. The Bucks. The long term
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plan and most is two years. Let's just have you
honest for two more years, instead of just saying, look, man,
we get this for him, we get that for him,
let's do that now. So I think we are an agreement.
It's a mistake for the Bucks to go this direction
short term gain and in a couple of years, they're
putting off the inevitable, which is their team will not
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have you honest in a few years and will look
just much different.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Right. And that's the thing, man is I get it.
Like the fan base loves Giannis. A lot of fan
bases love the star players, especially when they were nothing
before the star got there. And the Bucks had some
lean or awful years before Yannis was there. They had
a mixture of both, So I get that they don't.
(22:56):
That's scary. Life without Yiannis is very scary. But he
is an NBA superstar who's still playing at an MVP level. Yeah,
you can completely reset your franchise and be better off
for the future. They don't have draft picks, they don't
have any maneuverability, they're capped out, and they're still losing
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in the first round each of the last three years.
So you got to use your main asset and reshape
your entire franchise. Think about the Celtics, like the Celtics
adorre Celtic fans adored Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. They
hadn't won a championship in over two decades, and they
finally won one with those guys as the Stars, and
(23:39):
the Celtics dealt them. They traded them and they were
able to get Tatum and Brown among other assets out
of that trade. Out of that deal. I know Bucks fans,
they go kicking and screaming into the night if the
Bucks made the hard decision and traded Giannis. But they
would come around if all of a sudden, those draft
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picks and that young talent turned into a title contender
and a title winner, which has happened with the newer
Celtics with Tatum and Brown. So it's not like they're
still gonna be like I still wanted old Paul Pierce
an old kge like they're gonna come around and be fine.
You just and imagine the worst case scenario, Jeff is
if they don't make the tough decision, Giannis agrees to stay,
(24:22):
and then Giannis gets hurt. He's had a calf injury before.
What if he blows his achilles? Then what then? What
do you have? You just had that with Dame and
you bought him out. Now you don't have a tradable
asset where you're gonna get top dollar. You're gambling way
too much by keeping him.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
I agree and again that the tough decisions in sports,
you know, are these That's why you get paid the
big bucks to be a general manager. I do wonder
how much you they have new ownership down Milwaukee. I
do wonder how much owners play a role all this. Right,
they don't sign off on day and a stuff, and
they sign off on big superstars and what to do
(24:59):
with them. I do wonder if a new ownership was like,
you have to keep you honest, which is fair. I mean,
that's their prerogative, they can do that. But I do
wonder how much that was a discussion this offseason, right
Brian of like, yeah, Hey, with new ownership, we got
to keep you, honest, because you know, you don't want
to come in right away and gut the team, right,
But now you're in a situation where you can't really
do it after this season anyway, So you're kind of stuck,
(25:20):
you know, where you are the last a couple of
seasons with this roster, with Miles Turner, with with now
Jannis And how much do you think the backlash to
the Luca trade, which is it would be a much
different trade than trading Yannis plays a role. I mean,
the backlash was so was so harsh, But again, different situations, right,
Luca still very young, how to win a championship. Jannis
(25:44):
has played a lot of basketball, he has won a championship.
There's still a lot of basketball left in him. But
he is getting older and his style of play is
very physical. It's a very physical style of play, right,
and so different situations, But you know, the backlash was
so super Maybe if they trade honest they got the
first pick of the draft next year, that actually could
be to call at him solver for that is that
the way it works, the frozen, the frozen envelope is
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vulnerable for them. I still kick it over. How casually
we dismissed the MAVs having the first pick. That would
be like the Bengals, right, who were the best team
to never to never make the postseason last season, the
best team ever to have the playoff team. However, the
first pick of the draft. You'd be like, what, I'm there,
the first pick in the draft for it's the MAVs,
the mass guys, Dallas Mavericks won a playing game. They
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won like one quote unuote playoff game essentially, and you
got the first pick of the draft. It's absolutely ludicrous.
Maybe if the Bucks had called out him, sober up
and made a deal like hey, we'll track Yourns on
draft that if we get the first pick in the draft.
It's very short sighted. It reminds you what the Steelers
keep doing, Brian, which is refusing to acknowledge the heart
truth of where they are as a franchise. The best
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franchises are always the ones that are able to pivot
to move quickly. And the Bucks again, I understan, I
want to keep a superstar, but they're doing the same
thing over and over again, which is which you know,
it's a lunatic, right, like doing the same thing over
and over again. You know, it's it's lunacy. So the
tough decision has to be made, and they made decision
(27:13):
that was easy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Yeah they did. And a lot of times you're worse
off for making the easy decision alue franchise it you
hit on something interesting. Is there a portion of this
where they're they're looking at the Dallas Mavericks and like
oof man, Nico Harrison is getting roasted right now? Does
that make a GM a little bit more reluctant to
(27:35):
make a trade or ownership a little more reluctant? Maybe?
I mean maybe it plays a little babe.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Again though right like that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, definitely different. But you know, it's an interesting thought.
Is it something that maybe is in the back of
your head or plays a minor role, not the ultimate role.
But the other thing is, man, that's the tough part
of being a GM. Let's just say and I don't
believe this is the case, but let's just say it is.
Imagine if the GM is like, all right, it's staring
at me in the face. I have to reset the franchise,
(28:04):
I have to trade Gianness, I have to do it,
and ownership's like you will not do that. You can't
go out publicly and be like you're a press conference
setting like I would. I need to trade them, but
ownership won't let me. Like you just have to sit
there and act like in your idea. That's what you
get paid for. That's that's rough, man. If you're not
signing off on it and you have to act as
(28:26):
if you are, I'd be like, you know, it's like
a hosted video, like I'm blinking five times, like this
is not my idea. I'm hoping people can read between
the lines. You know, I couldn't keep a straight face
like that.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But that's how they get paid a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And you know, I am always of the opinion that
ownership should stay out of personal decisions, except I think
they do have the right when it comes to these
superstars to have a say. But the best owners, the
best owners always sort of let their people they hired decisions.
You know, you as an owner, you're you're not you know,
(29:04):
for NFL term, you're not grinding the film right, you're
not paying attention to to to the sport like that.
And if you're a good owner, you're probably successful in business.
If you understand how important is to hire people you trust, right,
And if you're hiring a general manager or personnel guy,
you hired them to do their job, and their job
might be difficult decisions, and the best owners tend to
(29:28):
rely on those on those they trust, right, they hired
them to make those decisions for them. And if if
the general manager and were walking them up to them
and said, hey, man, you know, I think it's best
to trade be honest, Yeah, ownership would take a hit.
They wouldn't as many fans in the stands, they wouldn't
make as much money, but they would be a better
team in the end, most likely five six, seven years
(29:49):
from now, which again you have to think about the
short term in the long term. And if ownership really
said to them, hey, we're we're out. We're out on
this idea. You know, it's just not it's it's it's
just not the only owner I think that they actually,
you know, I mean it should be a play basketball.
I think might be able to say, like, hey, you know,
I have a thought on this. Otherwise, like why would
(30:11):
the Bucks new Bucks? It's a rod it's part he's
a baseball player.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Well, I know some of these ownership guys, it's like,
you made your fortune in real estate, What the hell
do you know about this player? Like really, no, you know, I'll.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Give you an example in in my in my in
my town in Charlotte. So about So, David Tepper owns
the Panthers, and he's a hedge fund guy, right, and
I think he was way too hands on for the
first six years. And now I think very clearly he's
letting Dan Morgan, the drum Measuer, do his job because
the team just looks better, it's it's constructed better. And really,
(30:49):
I know these owners, it's their money, it's their baby.
They want. But you've hired people to do their job,
and if you let them do their job right, you're
gonna have more success. And you see all the time,
I mean, look what you know, Look the Chiefs let
let Andy Reid and John Dorsey make the pad Mahomes decision.
Alex Smith. The Chiefs just been with Alex Smith. He's
(31:11):
gone on the plaffs every year, absolutely, and just hosted
a playoff game every third year and and just gone
and just made money that way. But they trusted themselves,
they trusted their people, the Eagles, right, I mean, you know,
Lurie could have been like, we're not getting rid of
Carson Wentz. Never do that. We're not doing that, and
they would have been stuck with with Carson Wentz. To
Jalen Hurts, you got to let your front office people
(31:32):
do their job.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right. So this was putting a bow on it.
I love this audio from Brian Windhorst on ESPN. If
you're asking me, do I think the Bucks can put
a team together that compete to win the Eastern Conference?
Speaker 5 (31:44):
I do not.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Pretty short and simple, right, I like that right to
the point. No, I do not. And if that's the case,
you gotta freaking pivot. You gotta go in a different direction,
just like, ah, but we'll make some cash, right, No,
it's not good enough. Here's some other audio for you, Jeff.
This was audio of the Nathan's hot dog eating contest
on the fourth of July, complements of ESPN.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Check this out with seventy point five hot dogs and
buns in ten minutes, the Nathan's famous fourth of July
Champion of the World Joey.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Jeff, you know, I will say, like the coverage, I
haven't seen it live. It's on very early.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
You know most of New Eastern very very.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Early West Coast time. Jeff, we're talking like it.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Ended up not starting because I was on the radio,
and starts till like twelve forty five Easter just when
the first hot dog was.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
So before ten o'clock you're telling me on the that's
very early West Coast time.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I know you have a different suit schedule than I think.
But because you're like you're texting me like the group text,
you're like playing the poker at at four am on
the Pacific. I bet the over because I'm American. On
Joey oh Man, you get hooked a hot dog under
everyone went under by the way, like all the everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah right. But that's the thing though, that's I think
they do a great job with the coverage. I just
catch the highlights because I'm not this not an NFL game.
I'm not waking up for this thing, you know. But
I catch the highlights. And the announcer guy is awesome.
I don't know his name, but it's all just tongue
in cheek, you know, and he's like he was graced
(33:27):
by the gods and the he's just making stuff up
on the fly pretty much. But the thing is, it's amazing.
He ate seventy and a half hot dogs and buns
in ten minutes. That's amazing. And it's like we just
kind of like joke around, like.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Eh, look at him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He's doing this thing that is astounding that anyone can
eat that much in that short of a period of time.
That's insane to me.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I watch it every year, but it is in his
supremely gross. There's no it is. It is a It
makes my stomach hurt. It makes me just like feel
ill watching him do it. But you have to watch
because it's it's a Fourth of July tradition obviously, and
it's just one of those things that you can't look
away from. There was a I saw a video too
(34:19):
of a guy who drank like a gallon of lemonade
in twenty one seconds or some insane number like that.
They have eating They have a major league eating as
a as a league, and they have rankings and Joe
Justin's obviously number one. If you click on his profile,
it lists all the records that he has for things
(34:40):
he's eaten. And Brian, how many eggs do you think
hardboll eggs you think Joe just has eaten in eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Oh gosh, I'm sure something insane. If he's putting down
seventy and a half hot dogs, I'll put it somewhere
around and I'll say sixty five couple of minutes off.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
One hundred and forty one hard bulldogs eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
Uh, shrimp wantons three and ninety in eight minutes.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
I don't understand. That's the funny thing, Jeff. I'm literally
the slowest eater on the face of the earth. If
they had a competitive eating contest, was giving an honest effort, yes,
I would beat anybody in terms of being the slowest.
I could maybe in ten minutes. To hot dog getting contests,
I could maybe get through like three quarters of a
hot dog. With the bun, I couldn't even do one.
(35:30):
I don't know. I just I have to chew my
food up so much or then I can just, you know,
do the rest. I don't know why, And then I
just lose focus. I've been eating for so long and
chewing so much. Did I just start watching this show
or whatever, reading this thing, and then it just takes
even longer. It's it's obnoxious, purely not my problem. I Uh,
(35:54):
I wish I could. I wish I could some of
my friends just inhale their food. I wish I can't.
All Right, come it up next, Which impressive record will
be broken first? He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. Now we're
in for two pros and a cup of joe right
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Speaker 1 (36:24):
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian. No, we're in for two
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Sports Radio. Okay, Jeff, so ball always on the brain, right,
football on the brain. I got a question for you.
Which NFL record do you think will be broken first?
And later on I'll give you the reason why I
even thought about this, but it doesn't matter right now.
(36:46):
Do you think this single season touchdown catch record will
be broken first? Or do you think this single season
sack record will be broken first? So, Randy Moss has
the single season touchdown catch record. That's twenty three touchdown grabs.
He had that in the seven season when they went
undefeated those Patriots, and then the sack record single season
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Michael Strahan twenty two and a half sacks in one
and also TJ. Watt don't forget about that twenty two
and a half sacks in twenty twenty one. So they
both they share it. So which do you think is
gonna be broken? First? You think someone's getting the twenty
four touchdown grabs or someone's getting twenty three sacks in
a season.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
I think sacks. I think sai Remember Justin Justin Houston
at twenty two in twenty fourteen. Wow, he was close.
You look at some of these guys eighteen, nineteen twenty,
I mean they're they're they're up there. Touchdown one just
feels well the way the NFL's played now, and it's
it feels so unlikely. Dude. These quarterbacks take away touchdowns
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for their wide receivers with their legs, which is not
a bad thing if you look at for this, just
you know, like you're Tom Brady was only throwing the
ball to get, you know, to get touchdowns. All these
quarterbacks now you take away five touchdowns a year by
running the football right, by running it in the game
is moving more towards the running back a little bit. Right,
it's moving back in that direction a little bit. So
(38:15):
I think there's less opportunities. Sometimes I just don't. I
don't think that that touchdown record the MOSC one is
in any danger whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Yeah, I'm with you, because listen, it's passing league, so
much more opportunities for a great pass rusher to accumulate
those sacks. And then the other thing we always talk
about this with the running backs, which is we no
longer have those bell cow running backs, right, the running
backs that just get the lion's share of the carries.
(38:47):
Very rarely we do. We just had Saquon bar Yeah
that's the only one. Derek Henry at a high number.
But it's rare. You normally get these, you know, like
the Alvin Kamara mark Ingram Saints. You know, we're you
get the two headed monsters, sometimes the three headed monster.
We always talk about that with running backs. You can
apply the same thing to wide receivers. When do you
(39:09):
have the team. Look, the Bengals just paid top dollar
for T Higgins. They have Jamar Chase and they're like, well,
we gotta get T Higgins back here, Like forget the defense.
We'll figure it out. Like I know, it was awful,
but let's get t Higgins back. There are rarely teams
that just have that one stud receiver who's just putting
(39:30):
up numbers, because chances are there's another receiver that's really
good and gaining yards and catching passes and scoring touchdowns.
Really hard to put together twenty four touchdown grabs in
one season. With today's NFL, they just they have numerous
playmakers on every offense.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
It's just not gonna happen. I think this acting is
can totally happen. It feels way more likely.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, they were just showing highlights. They were doing the
Sports Center thing in West Virginia, so they were showing
Randy Moss highlights and they showed his twenty three touchdowns college. Yeah. Yeah,
the Marshal days too. He should have been at Notre Dame. Jeff,
that's a miss right there, all right,
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