February 14, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys talk the future of NBA after Steph & LeBron hang it up, a Valentine’s Day game when it comes to pro athletes in the news, all the drama surrounding Caitlin Clark & free agency wide receiver roulette!
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Timberwolves Thunderous Dunk last night on chet Hoolme Grin. It
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was quite the play and Aunt was talking trash in
Chetolmgren's face. No technical I'm like, I'm fine with that,
no problem. But normally you can't dunk in someone's face
and then just talk trash to them all the way
down the court. They're normally like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Tech can't do that. They were just like, go ahead, man,
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you deserve to just tell them about it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Him.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Anti penalization for grown men talking things out, okay, Like
they are grown men. They're in a professional sport. If
you get dunked on thunderously as you put it, oh man,
you should you should have to face the consequence of
being mocked and then being mocked by the person who
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did it. I actually think there should be more trash
talking sometimes. No, that's fine, don't don't let him, let
him talk.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, no, it was good, like and that's a big
part of basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
One of the most popular movies is White Men Can't Jump. Yes,
it's guys just talking trash. It's a big part of basketball,
you know. You know what's this is a side rant
real fast here, Jeff, please, is you talk about how
college football in the NFL are just different sports. There's
so many major differences between the two. It's true. One
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of the major differences also is the way trash talking
is policed. You can't do any of it in the NFL.
It's jarring when you just start watching some college games
and what they get away with, Like they will like
a dB in a wide receiver in particular, they might
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be talking trash in college. They're like, eh, whatever, no harm,
no file, it's fine. There's no way you could do
half this stuff. In the NFL. They just don't allow it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
They don't. And it's so funny because again, like the NFL,
I mean, we're adults, Like we feel like you should
be able to police out ourselves, right, Like yeah, yeah,
I mean every now and then it leads to a fight,
but like not a lot, Like I don't like one
time in ten years. Like it's the thing that there's
not a fighting epidemic happening in the National Football League.
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And yeah, absolutely should let them talk. So good for
Anthony Edwards, you know, obviously being okay, see in that way,
as we start to you've always you're always an NBA guy,
I get, you know, I start getting into it this
time of year obviously with much less football, so you know,
good to see a little NBA on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, so this got my NBA brain working here, Jeff
with Anthony Edwards with the thunderous dunk on at home grin.
I just started thinking, which player is most likely going
to be the biggest draw for the NBA after Lebron
and Steph Curry retire. Who's the guy who's the biggest
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draw of the dudes that are still going to be
starring in the NBA when those guys are no longer here.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
So now it's Luca. I don't think it was going
to be Luca if he stayed in.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Dallas, But now in LA.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think it's Luca. Now I think previous to that
it might be And this is Look, this is a
hard part of the discussion. Oklahoma City like your Oklahoma City.
I'm sorry, I know, I'm sorry. It's not your fault. Yeah,
it's not your fault. You're there, you know, But I mean,
SGA would be a perfect guy to be the future,
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But he's Oklahoma City. And that's just not the way
the NBA. It works. In the NFL, your biggest player
can be Patrick Mahomes. It just the NBA has never
worked that way. The biggest players have always been in
La in Chicago, New York, Miami. It's very very rare
that for any amount of time it's been in a
Midwest city, you know. So I think now with the
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Luca trade, it's Luca. I mean, look, LA is a
star town, man, it is a star town. It is
a place that elevates those superstars. And I just think
that's gonna continue with with Luca in l A and
look to keep getting those stars somehow. I don't know
what what what how they do it sometimes, but you know,
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for fifty years, I've gotten that that superstar in their
building and it's gonna be Luca in LA. They're gonna
build a team around him. Obviously, I would have loved
to see Mark Williams on that team. Didn't happen. But
do you have a better answer. I mean, I don't
think it's Wemby and I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing, is Luca in La.
Like if you put Luca on the Spurs and Wemby
in La, it's Wemby right Like, that's the power of
the Lakers brand, and it just moves the needle. People. People,
this isn't breaking news. People care more about the Lakers
than the Spurs. That's just the way it goes. Man,
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But Wemby if not for the Spurs, just it's like, man,
if they're making deep playoff runs. Yeah, we're talking about
the casual fan. I could see them like, hey, let's
watch this alien of a basketball player who can do everything.
Like he's blocking double digit shots sometimes.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He also had a flat footed block the other night,
which is incredible. Okay, well here, so here's a think
about Webby though, and I guess the same question could
be applied for Luca and Jokich, Like can NBA have
a foreign born player be the star of the league,
because really, I don't think we've had that. I'm thinking,
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I'm going through my head of like stars NBA, we've.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Had stars, but like the star of the league. Yeah, no,
right right. I think it's possible. I think they're capable of.
Just look at the Luca trade and how those Dallas
fans rang.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, oh yeah, it's certainly possible. Just we have not no.
Yeah in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I agree, yeah, not to yeah, because you think about
the eras like the Magic Bird, then Jordans, then Lebron like.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Form players though in general, like that's you know, that's
that didn't happen the way it happens today either, Right,
that's part of it too, right, where like that's a
different part of the league, and when Jordan played as well.
So yeah, I think I think those are probably the
best options. I don't really know who else comes.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Kind of crazy right where you look at some of
the stars that definitely get traction, but the teams they
play for, right, Like it's Anthony Edwards with the timber Wolves,
It's SGA with the Thunder, It's Jah with the Grizzlies,
you know what I mean. Like these are not like
the big brand name.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Teams honest doesn't fit that bill.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of a weird thing with
some of the stars in the NBA where they're playing at.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Jalen Brun said, it is great, but not not a
type of player where he's a superstar of the league. Look,
Lebron's forty, he's got seven more years. It feels like
maybe they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Worry about it is pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Play forever Browny nine points. The other night see the
Future of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Guy, you know your guys love Ronnie going by the way,
what are the prop bets for Bronnie James, Like on
a nightly basis, what would be like the point total
prop bet?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Half a point?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's it? Half a point?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Okay, I think I think I haven't looked. He's under
most knights, but could.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You imagine taking me over and he gets in for
whatever the final six minutes and you're like, dude, just
freaking score a bat, just one get fouled, make one
frea throw. It's all I care about. Yeah, it's it's
your own fault if you get down on that action.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know. It certainly is last night in these in
the Four Nations hockey hockey?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Did you you know it's funny. So I'm at home
in Indiana right now. Yeah, unfortunately one of my uncles
passed away.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, so the all the stuff is on Monday night
and Tuesday morning. But that's why I'm I'm staying a
little bit longer, uh, in Indiana. But I went to
one of my friend's houses last night, a good friend Jay,
and we're watching He's Got We call it JA Dubbs
instead of B dubs. This guy literally has six TV
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screens in his basement, you know, and so he had
hockey on one of them, and he goes, it's one
to one, and he goes, I might I might bet
on the US right now, they're way better. Yeah yeah,
he's like And as soon as he said that, we
both like, yeah, maybe that could that could be a
good It's like goal goal goal. They scored like six
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unanswered goals last night.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Fairly certain. They were minus three eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To win last night, even down one.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
No, no, no, just I no, But I didn't bet him.
I bet over. I took a team total alternate over
over four and a half goals. Like nice there, Yeah,
it's Canada. US are going to more to win this.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It was only plus one forty for them to get
to at least five goals. Good lord, wow.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Three and a half was minus one fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Wow. Okay, so minus money for to score four goals.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, it tells you a lot, right there.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah. So I ended up to yeah, I end up
doing that. So but but I'm sorry your uncle. I'm
glad you're home. Brian's had known mad for those who
are not aware, Yeah, I don't know how you do it, buddy, Yeah,
it's how you live that life.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's not great driving through Colorado or Iowa. Not the
greatest of roads there, Jeff. Like Colorado, there are all
these signs where it's like must have chains on tires
if you're in must have chains on tires territory. It's
rough weather.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So I was. I had in college a Toyota avalon Okay,
it was purple. I got a deal on it when
I was like sixteen's it was it was like a
weird color. So I'm from Los Angeles. Just I make
that point. I'm driving from the California Coast, northern coast
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from Humboldt County, Eureka County, from Humboldt humbold State, through
the mountains of southern Oregon to get back to Eugene.
And it's like February right now, okay, And I cross
over into Oregon and it is there are people that
are stopped at the bottom of the mountain. Okay. Oh yeah,
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and it's raining at the bottom the mountain. And I
was like, man, this is probably not great, but let's go.
And so I drove through the mountain through one of
the passes by myself in the snow. It was still
to the mountain, the only one up there. No chains.
I think I had a blanket in my car in
case things went poorly, but unprepared for life at the
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top of a mountain in an avalon from Los Angeles
in snow by myself. Man, I made it down that
mountain and then I went. Then we went through Grant's Pass,
which is in southern Oregon on the five Sook on
a major highway, and then it closed like thirty minutes
after that the past did. I barely made barely the
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snow driving to me, I'm out. I'm out, Brian, don't
don't just fully out on that. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I've had I've had vehicles. I remember going through Denver
a long time ago, and uh, my vehicle was going
like maybe thirty maybe. By the time I got to
the top of this people are just flipping me off.
I'm like, it's not my choice, not my choice. I'm
going this slowly. I can't help it. Same thing in
the Grapevine. If you go from LA to like the
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Fresno area, I've.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Never done it with snow. You've done grape Vine snow.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, not with snow, just like regular normal day, like
it's eighty out. Oh, still can hardly get to the
tracking grape Vine frustrating.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's never just like that's that drive is uh? I
don't know. I just put this. If you're listening in Bakersfield,
I don't know how you live there, But that's no
story for you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
By the way, while we're trading stories, I always think
of my mom. I have to tell you this. She
was in LA for work and she came to she
drove up to see me in Fresno, Okay, And there, Jeff,
there is the biggest sign, certainly in America, maybe on
planet Earth. I'm not sure, but it's like Baker's Field
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this way and then it's like Fresno that way or
whatever the signs say. And and my mom, I don't
she was looking at directions or she missed the sign,
and so at that time it was a little bit
before GPS on your phone, and she ended up in
a bad spot. My boss is yelling at me, like,
how did you give her these directions? I'm like, Jeff,
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the sign couldn't be bigger, like this way to Fresno.
And so every time I drove the Grapevine or around there,
I have seen that sign and just I think of
my mom, who I love to death, and you know,
we all make mistakes, but I would always think of
her what I saw that. It's the it's a gigantic sign.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I haven't made that driving a while. I don't remember exactly.
We used to go up to Santa Rosa where my
grandparents lived through Yeah, fine, but yeah, the great Yeah, jeez,
that's the memories of that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think it's where it's like the split between the
five and ninety nine, and you gotta choose between those
two roads. I think that's what it is. But it
goes across the entire interstate. That's how this freaking site is. Man, monstrous.
She just missed it. You know, it's okay, problem whatsoever. Yeah,
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but man, Yeah, this last one in Colorado, Jeff, surreal fast.
It is going up to the snowy Hill, and traction
was not great. I was renting a Chrysler, I think
it was a PACIFICA. It's loaded down. I've got a
lot of stuff in.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
There, right like this time or the other time.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
This time just a couple of days ago, and I'm
going up this pretty decent hill and this traction is
not good, and I'm starting like I'm I'm hitting the
gas pedal, you know, and you can hear the engines like,
and I'm just not getting traction, And I'm like, if
I don't make it to the top of this hill,
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I'm screwed. Like, I don't know if I'm even gonna
like if we start going backwards, that's that's all sorts
of bad. I don't know if I can sort of
even park sideways on this. But luckily I made it. It
was fine, But for a little bit, I'm like, we
gotta make it, man, this is the only option here
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that's good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
The straight panic of that I can only imagine. Well,
glad you made it home, obviously, Glad are you home
for a while?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Are you gonna go back to Vegas?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I don't know. That's the thing. So I'm here until
next Thursday, and then I'll fly back to Vegas and
we're there for maybe like another week, and then we
drive all the way back home because my nephew is
getting married, and then from there, I don't know, he
gets married on March first, and then I don't know,
pick somewhere on the map and we might go there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I don't know, Jeff, I know how much eating meals
with Bill Krackenberger.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Makes you that's so great, man, I love it there.
Man cracks the best. Bill Krackenberger. For the people that
don't know, we do this Sunday show together professional sports Handicapper,
But that dude, I swear there should be a reality
show centered around Bill Krackenberger's life.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He show that one show for like four episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't know why it didn't continue. Whoever was like, yeah, no,
let's go in a different direction. Terrible decision. That guy
leads an interesting life. Okay, he's betting big amounts of
money on sports, you know, and winning quite a bit,
and just the way he is. I don't know that
we can even like, uh, we can describe him and
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accurately do so where someone's like, oh yeah, I feel
like I don't know that we can do that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Jeff, I don't think you can with Bill.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's just he's a unique guy. Man, He just is.
I bearded for him. Did I tell you the story?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Jeff?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, So I didn't know this. I have
to go to the casino to get the money because
I think it was on my player's card. Oh you
do something like that. Yeah, so we got to go
there to get his cash before you know, I leave
town not knowing if I'm going to be back in
that town. So we have to do that here pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How much money did he make for him?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, it was two wagers. It was like one was
two thousand bucks, the other one was twenty four hundred dollars.
So it was he laid forty four to win, you know,
I don't know, maybe like eighteen nineteen something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And you won both the ways.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, I think he. I think he won both of them.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Because when I was the Beard, we lost both the wagers.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, so he laid forty four to probably win in
the neighborhood of four. So you're over eight figures easy,
you're over eight thousand dollars combined. And that's just like
yeah here, you know, he flipped me a five thousand
dollars chip like, I'm gonna need you to to do
something here real quick.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'm like, okay, how to stress of that with me?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah? Yeah, good stuff. All right, We got a lot
to get to coming up next on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Live from the ti rack dot
Com Studios. Jeff, this is the day of Love, Okay
it is, and uh, we have a sports themed Valentine's
Day topic that I believe is not super lame. Okay,
(19:25):
you know how sometimes it's Thanksgiving, let's do a sports
theme out of it, and it's like, oh my gosh,
I think this one will make you think a little bit. Okay,
So we're gonna get to this coming up next. He's
Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian No keep it locked right here
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Speaker 4 (20:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
So here's your Valentine's Day loved themed topic. If you
will hear Jeff, Okay, love themed. Here's my question. If
you could just keep somebody in the sports world forever, yeah,
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or if you could also make someone in the sports
world go away forever. Okay. I just started thinking about
this with a certain player in mind that's in the news,
and then I just thought like, remember like the b
Mine little Heart candies and all that. I'm like, what
what if you could make that happen where I always
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say father time is undefeated? What if you could make
it where it wasn't with one particular athlete? Like what
what would be the best for your sports world personal
or the sports world in general? However you break it
down so someone can stick around forever or someone goes
away forever immediately, So we'll start on the positive side,
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who would you choose to stick around forever?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I mean it's playing now, yeah, I mean is the answer?
Just like Lebron play forever. I feel like that would
be the like watching him play basketball. I saw the
person like two weeks ago. It's like, it's so much
fun to watch him play in person too, because he's
just like an incredible athlete to watch direct traffic and
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tell guys where to go, and he decides just to
like go for it. The other one I thought is
like Charles Barclay, okay, just like forever talk about sports
up Like, I'm I'm for that. He's so funny, bro,
Like if that just if that is just entire into
the NBA crew, just live forever. And that was just
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we had that the rest of my life. It makes
an NBA entertaining in my opinion, like you need that
for guys like me that I watched NBA obviously, but
I'm a football guy for the for the most part. Right,
I would I vote. I'd vote either that like entire
show or just Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, I like that, or like Lebron. Those are both
great choices. I would go, and I think you'd be
on board with this, Jeff. I'd go with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh right, I cannot wait for WAA season. I'm gonna
make so much money. I'm Caitlyn Clark. She's gonna have
twelve assistant game because she has teammates and catch of basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
The funniest thing for people that don't know this, Jeff
and I text the most easily over Caitlyn Clark in
the WNBA in general, it's just like WNBA bets.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
There's so much money to be made.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, are.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Two things Caan and Clark this year is gonna have.
I'm telling you she average tennisis to game last year.
She should have had tennisister game because her teammates can
and I guarantee you that most Knights are gonna set
her number like seven and a half, which it's gonna
catch you over all the time, and the Fever are
going to win a lot of their games by I
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think early in the season people will not catch on
to them being as good as they are, all right, right,
I think, And I think that like the Chicago Sky,
I think are gonna be bad. They've not like no
free agents. I think you can fade them, and I
think there's opportunities to like fade the Sky and be
on the Fever and just like make money in the
(23:45):
w NBA.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But think about this too, everything that you're mentioning right there,
I don't think you're saying any of these words if
not for Caitlin Klok absolutely right like that. That's how
big she is, and regardless for betting or when wagers
or anything like just the relevance of the league and
the drama. She's the least dramatic person, but there's all
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this drama that just follows her around. And if you're
just a casual fan or like, all of a sudden
this has become for the months it's around, it's like
this is a legitimate product to sample.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
She's a lot for those who I know, people women's
sports guys, it's watch a Fever man like they play
the Brandon basketball. You know, the same people that complain
like I don't want to watch women play basketball, the
same ones to play in the NBA. No fundamentals of
the NBA. It's like, if you want to watch that
type of game, turn on a Fever game. It's what
you complains with the NBA is not what's the Fever
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play like? So I think I'd be I didn't think
I would be a Fever fan, but we made so
much money last year on the second half of that
season because no one sort of thought they were good essentially.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right, right, they were good, but a bad start, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Then they got good at the All Star break and
they were just they were drilling teams and Kevin Clark
was going over I mean her pointing out of the
system to thirty two and a half thirty. Yeah, it
was just insanely high numbers and not even like, not
even a sweat to get over. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, Okay, how about the flip side, who's your pick
in the sports world to go away forever? And you
got to think about this too, where I'm not. I'm
gonna shut up right now. But but who's your first thought?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I mean, I texted to you this morning and'll be
Aaron Rodgers. From Aaron Rodgers again, I'd.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'd be finally, and I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But in the news, maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
All right, let me play Devil's advocate, Okay, yeah, because
he's he's on his last leg with his career here,
So do you use this like? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I don't know. Let me think of who else if
I never heard from them again? Oh geez, I think
there are certain X accounts that are gambling.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Touts, all right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Never saw their tweets again, and they were not shared
in text message threads. I'd be, okay, never seen that,
but I tell you that gives me a lot of
enjoyment though, to laugh, So I gotta say that, maybe
not make a lot of money off them last Yeah,
one of them, jeez, I made I faded one last
night who had won one college basketball wager and it
was a small school wager. And there's just no way
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that that person, Brian is remotely studying any of those teams.
There's just no chance it's just like straight ken palm
and like there's just no way, there's no way. So
uh in sports? Who I mean, I'm in the NFL.
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You just have a thing where I just didn't like
Carson Wentz but he's basically not doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Really oh interesting, I don't know, yeahs young.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I just Carson went never took accountability right, Like
he lives, he lives Indianapolis, and he gave his long
like goodbye letter he posted and none of it was
like about him, about the accountability to himself. It was
all about other things that I think that are fine.
To believe him, but I need some accountability, right Like
you have to own up to the mistakes you made
in your play? Bad? Do you have someone?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean, you know, it's it really is hard to
top Aaron Rodgers right now. There might be a younger name,
but like that's the thing. Man is a lot of
villains or the dudes they either sure the pot or whatever.
Sometimes they're really good. Sometimes they're good for sports in general.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
The words are great for sports.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Give me someone that goes against the grain, who's hated,
who I might even hate myself. I might not that
person to be away forever. It gives me a reason
of care.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
How do I do less? Draymond Green for being honest.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He's gonna be in the skills competition. Did you know?
I didn't realize that I was.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It was for what skill?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know, Like the NBA Skills Competition, it's Team
Warriors is one of the teams. It's Draymond Is. I
was like, what, okay, okay, but yeah, if you're watching
the Saturday night festivities, your guy Drake.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Is probably the first year I didn't watch a single
second of anything Pro Bowl, didn't watch a second of it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, dude, you didn't miss anything.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I feel like I'm not gonna watch a second on
the NBA All Star Weekend. It's just not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I got to see the three point contest that to
me is worth watching.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
But and I know that they said they're not running
the Sabrina stuff right back. I didn't know that was
a suggestion or they run that back and did it
last year. That was the only time, like you just
that's a one year thing. When camle Clark said no,
like that was the end of it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, that was what I thought because it was in
the bay right, Like maybe you would have Steph there
and and run this back, but they said, no, not
doing it.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The the goal I think was to get Kateler to
do it right you did last year with Sabrina, and
to get Kiln Clark to do it. But she, I'll
tell you what, man, she is so smart with her marketing,
Like I like what she's doing where she's just saying, like,
I'm not doing any of this stuff. I'm just gonna
play ball. I'm sure that some points she'll start doing more,
but I like that approach, like she's waiting to sort
(29:32):
of earn those opportunities like Sabrino waited, right, I mean,
be a couple of years and Sabrino was able to
go with Steph and Keller. Car's just like in the gym,
working you know, unrivaled. Nope, not not doing that. I'm
not doing a three point contest. I'm just gonna work.
And I'm sure she'll do some of these things, you know,
a couple of years ago from now. But I like
her mentality of just sort of you know, waiting for
(29:53):
things to come to her when she feels a little
more like it's more appropriate for her to have these
you know, these things you'll come to her.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I think that. Look, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, Homes did the same thing early in his career,
by the way, too, he just sort of did not
do any marketing stuff for a couple.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Of years and yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Then you know, you win a few Super Bowls and
then all of a sudden you pop up on a
state farm commercial like that's the way.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
All the time? Now.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, sure, that to me feels like the way to
do it rather than sort of do everything so early
in your career. And I'm not saying that that's the
wrong way to do things.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It's the Baker Mayfield thing, yeah, right, Like Baker was
exactly all over everywhere.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And I think he regrets that because that puts so
much undue pressure. It's already hard as a young player
to be drafted so high and have so much pressure
on you. Then you add on the you know, the
commercials and the endorsements. And I'm not saying these athletes
shouldn't do those, right, you shouldn't. You have to maximize
your potential as student as possible, right, and to make
all that money, But I do think sometimes it can
(30:52):
be a detriment, just the stress, that extra stress. It
puts a young player. It's hard already to be a
franchise savior as Baker Mayfield was, you know, was to be.
And then all of a sudden, you're in commercials and whatnot,
and people question, have you earned the right to be
in these commercials? So so yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So well, And especially for Caitlin, if she were on
every commercial she does a little bit, there's what one
State Farm commercial that she does a few, but she
had an excellent season. If she was doing just you know,
commercial after commercial after ad after ad, you would get
nothing but oh snowflake angel like Caitlin Clark over here,
(31:32):
no wonder, she's so marketable, right Like, It just wouldn't
be a wise move from that standpoint. She just like
she just wants to focus on hooping, man, And I
think she's trying to limit those type of distractions. Otherwise
she'd do the three point contest, she would do all
these things during All Star weekend. She just doesn't do that,
by the way. Putting a bow on this other thing
(31:55):
with who you would want to go away for good
in the sports world, Not particularly on my list, but
I think a lot of people would have Bronnie James
on their list, wouldn't they we can make Bronnie go
away forever. I feel like a lot of fans would
be like, he doesn't belong, he never should be on
an NBA roster and points that one night. I don't
(32:21):
I think he would be a popular suggestion. I do,
you don't think so?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I don't know if he's not of a name to
that to have that.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I just man, you talk about revving someone up, just
say hey, hey, Bronni had nine points last night. Just
say that and someone will be off and running nine points.
He doesn't belong wearing a jersey. You know, it's just
because of his father. Oh people, he had nine points
though there ain't nothing they get revved up real faster.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Sports. I mean, I could do without some of the
You know what, if anyone says the NFL is are rare,
they just be out of spots. There you go it Sunday?
Was it rigged for the Chiefs on Sunday? And then?
I love that. I love the responses like basically like
the Eagles were so good that the refs couldn't rig
it for the Chiefs. Ok alright, sure, whatever you say.
Mames got punched in the face and wasn't there was
(33:15):
no Come on, guys, I mean, if there's any playing
for quarterback to get a personal fouls when Jalen Carter
punches you in the face.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But especially during a turnover, yeah, that'd.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Be that'd be a great time. I mean the game
was over anyways by that, it wouldn't matter. But still,
like you, you know, the game is so rigged that
the largest human on the field punches the quarterback in
the face. And uh, dude, you know what's so funny.
Jalen Carter is a larger man. He's like the third
largest egle though. That's that's how big Jordan and Jordan
Malatta and Lane Johnson enormous to Yeah, but he's more
(33:55):
like he's more built like refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Did you see the video of Landon Dickerson, who was
left guard Eagles by the way, drinking beer while having
an ivy hooked up to him?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah, good to his Instagram. There's a video of like
some player, it might have been even Cooper to Gen
being interviewed in the locker room and he's in the
background with the ivy tree, you know, like the stand
Yeah on wheels walking on the back of the locker
with the IVY plugged into his arm. Drinking beer a
kind of counter to what if you have if you
(34:26):
have a dehydration problem. I'm not sure that drinking alcoholic
beverage really helps with that, but I think I never
won a Super Bowl, so I don't know what that
feels like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, there you go, man, It's anything goes when you
win a ring, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
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off the air. Okay, Jeff, so a couple of wide
receivers in the news. You're gonna hear a lot about
this in the offseason. T Higgins, yeah, with the Bengals,
and also Deebo Samuel with the forty nine ers. He's
been allowed to seek a trade. Here's what I'm thinking,
(35:51):
because you'll hear a lot of this about t Higgins.
Is he really your number one wide receiver? Is if
you don't have Jamar Chase on the other side, Is
he a real number one threat? I think he is.
Time will tell, But to me, I think there should
be more skepticism going forward about Deebo Samuel. Should there not?
(36:12):
I mean, look at last season you had Brandon i
Yuk get hurt and now you're like, Okay, there should
be Deebo's time to shine. It wasn't. Deebo had a
very mediocre season, Yeah, for the Niners. So I'm curious
why there's as much skepticism about t Higgins as there
(36:32):
is and hardly anything about Debo going forward. People act
like this is the debo of three years ago. Yeah,
it's a different debo now, it is.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I think, you know, some of the issue with Deebo
is just catching the football. You know, he's just didn't
catch the football regularly enough to be a wide receiver.
And I think that, you know, I don't think that
like the slash stuff, is that terribly important to me
if I'm paying Debo, paying him to be a wide
receiver and not the slash guy that he sort of
(37:06):
maybe wants to be at times, right, And again, I
think you you're a fair to question of he is
a number one wide receiver, which times it feels like
he's not because he can't catch a football. He's also
not like an X like a traditional just like line
up out wide, you know, like a J. Brown does
(37:28):
and just make place that's not what he is. And
so I think that that's it's fair to question if
you're going to pay him all this money if he's
not a true number one wide receiver. T Higgins to
me feels like he is number one wide receiver. Is
he as good as Jamar Chase? No, No, but that's fine.
But he's like a big he's a for example, like
(37:48):
the Panthers are a team that feels like, you know,
might sign him, like he's certainly number one for them,
you know, like, yeah, so I think that that is
the case for many teams. Or he is number one?
Is he as good justin Jefferson? I don't think so, right,
but he's certainly cable quote quote number one wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, there are a lot of teams that have a
number one receiver who's good. Take like Washington with Terry McLaurin.
Terry mclaurin's a good receiver. He's not top five, but
he's good. Is he Higgins capable of being that for
another team? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yes, totally agree. Yes. And I don't think the Bengals
are going to pay him, right we.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I don't think he Yeah, you can't pay everybody, you know,
you got to diversify where you're spending the money. You know,
Like you got a number one wide receiver in Jamar Chase,
I think it makes more sense to, you know, go
with some other number two receivers and spread that money
(38:50):
out across the roster instead of it just I don't
think he can go all in with that much money
committed to two wide receivers. I don't think that's a great.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
The rest of your team needs work, right, right when
the brutal last that's the thing is, Yeah, this is
what it's salary cap league is. You know, two things
are very important, right. It's it's how you spend your money, right,
and then it's also just drafting development. You can't have
a winning team without drafting developing players. I just mentioned
there's like like eleven guys. Eagles have more, I mean
more that are like that are guys they've drafted, developed
(39:23):
and now some of those guys have earned contracts obviously
by now. But the Bengals just are behind on that
party as well. You have to draft develop more players,
and you know paying again, paying these guys is not
really the way.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
To do it, right. You know, I'm just comparing the
numbers between Debo and T Higgins last season. It's amazing
where you had fifteen starts for Debo, right, you had
nine starts for T Higgins, who's dealing with some injury stuff, right,
and T Higgins put up much bigger, much bigger numbers.
(39:57):
T Higgins had ten touchdown catches, Deebo had three. Like
Deebo starting six more games and had seven fewer touchdown catches.
It's like, whoa holy cow?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And Deebo is only one year older. He's been in
the in the league for one more year than T. Higgins,
which is stack Deebo feels way older than he actually is,
doesn't he Just the style of game that he plays.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, you know, I do wonder again about just like
if you make him a full time white out, what
can you do that production?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, and you need that because you're you're gonna be
paying him like a one all right plenty to get
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Timberwolves Thunderous Dunk last night on chet Hoolme Grin. It
(01:17):
was quite the play and Aunt was talking trash in
Chetolmgren's face. No technical I'm like, I'm fine with that,
no problem. But normally you can't dunk in someone's face
and then just talk trash to them all the way
down the court. They're normally like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Tech can't do that. They were just like, go ahead, man,
(01:39):
you deserve to just tell them about it.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Him.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Anti penalization for grown men talking things out, okay, Like
they are grown men. They're in a professional sport. If
you get dunked on thunderously as you put it, oh man,
you should you should have to face the consequence of
being mocked and then being mocked by the person who
(02:04):
did it. I actually think there should be more trash
talking sometimes. No, that's fine, don't don't let him, let
him talk.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, no, it was good, like and that's a big
part of basketball.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
One of the most popular movies is White Men Can't Jump. Yes,
it's guys just talking trash. It's a big part of basketball,
you know. You know what's this is a side rant
real fast here, Jeff, please, is you talk about how
college football in the NFL are just different sports. There's
so many major differences between the two. It's true. One
(02:42):
of the major differences also is the way trash talking
is policed. You can't do any of it in the NFL.
It's jarring when you just start watching some college games
and what they get away with, Like they will like
a dB in a wide receiver in particular, they might
(03:02):
be talking trash in college. They're like, eh, whatever, no harm,
no file, it's fine. There's no way you could do
half this stuff. In the NFL. They just don't allow it.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
They don't. And it's so funny because again, like the NFL,
I mean, we're adults, Like we feel like you should
be able to police out ourselves, right, Like yeah, yeah,
I mean every now and then it leads to a fight,
but like not a lot, Like I don't like one
time in ten years. Like it's the thing that there's
not a fighting epidemic happening in the National Football League.
(03:35):
And yeah, absolutely should let them talk. So good for
Anthony Edwards, you know, obviously being okay, see in that way,
as we start to you've always you're always an NBA guy,
I get, you know, I start getting into it this
time of year obviously with much less football, so you know,
good to see a little NBA on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, so this got my NBA brain working here, Jeff
with Anthony Edwards with the thunderous dunk on at home grin.
I just started thinking, which player is most likely going
to be the biggest draw for the NBA after Lebron
and Steph Curry retire. Who's the guy who's the biggest
(04:16):
draw of the dudes that are still going to be
starring in the NBA when those guys are no longer here.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
So now it's Luca. I don't think it was going
to be Luca if he stayed in.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Dallas, But now in LA.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I think it's Luca. Now I think previous to that
it might be And this is Look, this is a
hard part of the discussion. Oklahoma City like your Oklahoma City.
I'm sorry, I know, I'm sorry. It's not your fault. Yeah,
it's not your fault. You're there, you know, But I mean,
SGA would be a perfect guy to be the future,
(04:52):
But he's Oklahoma City. And that's just not the way
the NBA. It works. In the NFL, your biggest player
can be Patrick Mahomes. It just the NBA has never
worked that way. The biggest players have always been in
La in Chicago, New York, Miami. It's very very rare
that for any amount of time it's been in a
Midwest city, you know. So I think now with the
(05:15):
Luca trade, it's Luca. I mean, look, LA is a
star town, man, it is a star town. It is
a place that elevates those superstars. And I just think
that's gonna continue with with Luca in l A and
look to keep getting those stars somehow. I don't know
what what what how they do it sometimes, but you know,
(05:37):
for fifty years, I've gotten that that superstar in their
building and it's gonna be Luca in LA. They're gonna
build a team around him. Obviously, I would have loved
to see Mark Williams on that team. Didn't happen. But
do you have a better answer. I mean, I don't
think it's Wemby and I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Yeah, you know, that's the thing, is Luca in La.
Like if you put Luca on the Spurs and Wemby
in La, it's Wemby right Like, that's the power of
the Lakers brand, and it just moves the needle. People. People,
this isn't breaking news. People care more about the Lakers
than the Spurs. That's just the way it goes. Man,
(06:12):
But Wemby if not for the Spurs, just it's like, man,
if they're making deep playoff runs. Yeah, we're talking about
the casual fan. I could see them like, hey, let's
watch this alien of a basketball player who can do everything.
Like he's blocking double digit shots sometimes.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He also had a flat footed block the other night,
which is incredible. Okay, well here, so here's a think
about Webby though, and I guess the same question could
be applied for Luca and Jokich, Like can NBA have
a foreign born player be the star of the league,
because really, I don't think we've had that. I'm thinking,
(06:56):
I'm going through my head of like stars NBA, we've.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Had stars, but like the star of the league. Yeah, no,
right right. I think it's possible. I think they're capable of.
Just look at the Luca trade and how those Dallas
fans rang.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
No, oh yeah, it's certainly possible. Just we have not no.
Yeah in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I agree, yeah, not to yeah, because you think about
the eras like the Magic Bird, then Jordans, then Lebron like.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Form players though in general, like that's you know, that's
that didn't happen the way it happens today either, Right,
that's part of it too, right, where like that's a
different part of the league, and when Jordan played as well.
So yeah, I think I think those are probably the
best options. I don't really know who else comes.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Kind of crazy right where you look at some of
the stars that definitely get traction, but the teams they
play for, right, Like it's Anthony Edwards with the timber Wolves,
It's SGA with the Thunder, It's Jah with the Grizzlies,
you know what I mean. Like these are not like
the big brand name.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Teams honest doesn't fit that bill.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's kind of a weird thing with
some of the stars in the NBA where they're playing at.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Jalen Brun said, it is great, but not not a
type of player where he's a superstar of the league. Look,
Lebron's forty, he's got seven more years. It feels like
maybe they don't have to.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Worry about it is pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Play forever Browny nine points. The other night see the
Future of the NBA.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Guy, you know your guys love Ronnie going by the way,
what are the prop bets for Bronnie James, Like on
a nightly basis, what would be like the point total
prop bet?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Half a point?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's it? Half a point?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Okay, I think I think I haven't looked. He's under
most knights, but could.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You imagine taking me over and he gets in for
whatever the final six minutes and you're like, dude, just
freaking score a bat, just one get fouled, make one
frea throw. It's all I care about. Yeah, it's it's
your own fault if you get down on that action.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know. It certainly is last night in these in
the Four Nations hockey hockey?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Did you you know it's funny. So I'm at home
in Indiana right now. Yeah, unfortunately one of my uncles
passed away.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, so the all the stuff is on Monday night
and Tuesday morning. But that's why I'm I'm staying a
little bit longer, uh, in Indiana. But I went to
one of my friend's houses last night, a good friend Jay,
and we're watching He's Got We call it JA Dubbs
instead of B dubs. This guy literally has six TV
(09:43):
screens in his basement, you know, and so he had
hockey on one of them, and he goes, it's one
to one, and he goes, I might I might bet
on the US right now, they're way better. Yeah yeah,
he's like And as soon as he said that, we
both like, yeah, maybe that could that could be a
good It's like goal goal goal. They scored like six
(10:05):
unanswered goals last night.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Fairly certain. They were minus three eighty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
To win last night, even down one.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
No, no, no, just I no, But I didn't bet him.
I bet over. I took a team total alternate over
over four and a half goals. Like nice there, Yeah,
it's Canada. US are going to more to win this.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
It was only plus one forty for them to get
to at least five goals. Good lord, wow.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Three and a half was minus one fifty.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Wow. Okay, so minus money for to score four goals.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, it tells you a lot, right there.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
Yeah. So I ended up to yeah, I end up
doing that. So but but I'm sorry your uncle. I'm
glad you're home. Brian's had known mad for those who
are not aware, Yeah, I don't know how you do it, buddy, Yeah,
it's how you live that life.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
It's not great driving through Colorado or Iowa. Not the
greatest of roads there, Jeff. Like Colorado, there are all
these signs where it's like must have chains on tires
if you're in must have chains on tires territory. It's
rough weather.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So I was. I had in college a Toyota avalon Okay,
it was purple. I got a deal on it when
I was like sixteen's it was it was like a
weird color. So I'm from Los Angeles. Just I make
that point. I'm driving from the California Coast, northern coast
(11:39):
from Humboldt County, Eureka County, from Humboldt humbold State, through
the mountains of southern Oregon to get back to Eugene.
And it's like February right now, okay, And I cross
over into Oregon and it is there are people that
are stopped at the bottom of the mountain. Okay. Oh yeah,
(12:00):
and it's raining at the bottom the mountain. And I
was like, man, this is probably not great, but let's go.
And so I drove through the mountain through one of
the passes by myself in the snow. It was still
to the mountain, the only one up there. No chains.
I think I had a blanket in my car in
case things went poorly, but unprepared for life at the
(12:22):
top of a mountain in an avalon from Los Angeles
in snow by myself. Man, I made it down that
mountain and then I went. Then we went through Grant's Pass,
which is in southern Oregon on the five Sook on
a major highway, and then it closed like thirty minutes
after that the past did. I barely made barely the
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snow driving to me, I'm out. I'm out, Brian, don't
don't just fully out on that. Man.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I've had I've had vehicles. I remember going through Denver
a long time ago, and uh, my vehicle was going
like maybe thirty maybe. By the time I got to
the top of this people are just flipping me off.
I'm like, it's not my choice, not my choice. I'm
going this slowly. I can't help it. Same thing in
the Grapevine. If you go from LA to like the
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Fresno area, I've.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Never done it with snow. You've done grape Vine snow.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, not with snow, just like regular normal day, like
it's eighty out. Oh, still can hardly get to the
tracking grape Vine frustrating.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's never just like that's that drive is uh? I
don't know. I just put this. If you're listening in Bakersfield,
I don't know how you live there, But that's no
story for you know what.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
By the way, while we're trading stories, I always think
of my mom. I have to tell you this. She
was in LA for work and she came to she
drove up to see me in Fresno, Okay, And there, Jeff,
there is the biggest sign, certainly in America, maybe on
planet Earth. I'm not sure, but it's like Baker's Field
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this way and then it's like Fresno that way or
whatever the signs say. And and my mom, I don't
she was looking at directions or she missed the sign,
and so at that time it was a little bit
before GPS on your phone, and she ended up in
a bad spot. My boss is yelling at me, like,
how did you give her these directions? I'm like, Jeff,
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the sign couldn't be bigger, like this way to Fresno.
And so every time I drove the Grapevine or around there,
I have seen that sign and just I think of
my mom, who I love to death, and you know,
we all make mistakes, but I would always think of
her what I saw that. It's the it's a gigantic sign.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
I haven't made that driving a while. I don't remember exactly.
We used to go up to Santa Rosa where my
grandparents lived through Yeah, fine, but yeah, the great Yeah, jeez,
that's the memories of that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I think it's where it's like the split between the
five and ninety nine, and you gotta choose between those
two roads. I think that's what it is. But it
goes across the entire interstate. That's how this freaking site is. Man, monstrous.
She just missed it. You know, it's okay, problem whatsoever. Yeah,
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but man, Yeah, this last one in Colorado, Jeff, surreal fast.
It is going up to the snowy Hill, and traction
was not great. I was renting a Chrysler, I think
it was a PACIFICA. It's loaded down. I've got a
lot of stuff in.
Speaker 4 (15:32):
There, right like this time or the other time.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
This time just a couple of days ago, and I'm
going up this pretty decent hill and this traction is
not good, and I'm starting like I'm I'm hitting the
gas pedal, you know, and you can hear the engines like,
and I'm just not getting traction, And I'm like, if
I don't make it to the top of this hill,
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I'm screwed. Like, I don't know if I'm even gonna
like if we start going backwards, that's that's all sorts
of bad. I don't know if I can sort of
even park sideways on this. But luckily I made it. It
was fine, But for a little bit, I'm like, we
gotta make it, man, this is the only option here
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that's good.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
The straight panic of that I can only imagine. Well,
glad you made it home, obviously, Glad are you home
for a while?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now?
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Are you gonna go back to Vegas?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I don't know. That's the thing. So I'm here until
next Thursday, and then I'll fly back to Vegas and
we're there for maybe like another week, and then we
drive all the way back home because my nephew is
getting married, and then from there, I don't know, he
gets married on March first, and then I don't know,
pick somewhere on the map and we might go there.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I don't know, Jeff, I know how much eating meals
with Bill Krackenberger.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Makes you that's so great, man, I love it there.
Man cracks the best. Bill Krackenberger. For the people that
don't know, we do this Sunday show together professional sports Handicapper,
But that dude, I swear there should be a reality
show centered around Bill Krackenberger's life.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
He show that one show for like four episodes.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I don't know why it didn't continue. Whoever was like, yeah, no,
let's go in a different direction. Terrible decision. That guy
leads an interesting life. Okay, he's betting big amounts of
money on sports, you know, and winning quite a bit,
and just the way he is. I don't know that
we can even like, uh, we can describe him and
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accurately do so where someone's like, oh yeah, I feel
like I don't know that we can do that.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Jeff, I don't think you can with Bill.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
He's just he's a unique guy. Man, He just is.
I bearded for him. Did I tell you the story?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Jeff?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, So I didn't know this. I have
to go to the casino to get the money because
I think it was on my player's card. Oh you
do something like that. Yeah, so we got to go
there to get his cash before you know, I leave
town not knowing if I'm going to be back in
that town. So we have to do that here pretty soon.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
How much money did he make for him?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, it was two wagers. It was like one was
two thousand bucks, the other one was twenty four hundred dollars.
So it was he laid forty four to win, you know,
I don't know, maybe like eighteen nineteen something like that.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
And you won both the ways.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, I think he. I think he won both of them.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Because when I was the Beard, we lost both the wagers.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, so he laid forty four to probably win in
the neighborhood of four. So you're over eight figures easy,
you're over eight thousand dollars combined. And that's just like
yeah here, you know, he flipped me a five thousand
dollars chip like, I'm gonna need you to to do
something here real quick.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I'm like, okay, how to stress of that with me?
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah? Yeah, good stuff. All right, We got a lot
to get to coming up next on Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe Live from the ti rack dot
Com Studios. Jeff, this is the day of Love, Okay
it is, and uh, we have a sports themed Valentine's
Day topic that I believe is not super lame. Okay,
(19:25):
you know how sometimes it's Thanksgiving, let's do a sports
theme out of it, and it's like, oh my gosh,
I think this one will make you think a little bit. Okay,
So we're gonna get to this coming up next. He's
Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian No keep it locked right here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
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Speaker 2 (19:54):
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I'm bro and know we're in for the guys here
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Speaker 4 (20:04):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
So here's your Valentine's Day loved themed topic. If you
will hear Jeff, Okay, love themed. Here's my question. If
you could just keep somebody in the sports world forever, yeah,
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or if you could also make someone in the sports
world go away forever. Okay. I just started thinking about
this with a certain player in mind that's in the news,
and then I just thought like, remember like the b
Mine little Heart candies and all that. I'm like, what
what if you could make that happen where I always
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say father time is undefeated? What if you could make
it where it wasn't with one particular athlete? Like what
what would be the best for your sports world personal
or the sports world in general? However you break it
down so someone can stick around forever or someone goes
away forever immediately, So we'll start on the positive side,
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who would you choose to stick around forever?
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I mean it's playing now, yeah, I mean is the answer?
Just like Lebron play forever. I feel like that would
be the like watching him play basketball. I saw the
person like two weeks ago. It's like, it's so much
fun to watch him play in person too, because he's
just like an incredible athlete to watch direct traffic and
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tell guys where to go, and he decides just to
like go for it. The other one I thought is
like Charles Barclay, okay, just like forever talk about sports
up Like, I'm I'm for that. He's so funny, bro,
Like if that just if that is just entire into
the NBA crew, just live forever. And that was just
(22:00):
we had that the rest of my life. It makes
an NBA entertaining in my opinion, like you need that
for guys like me that I watched NBA obviously, but
I'm a football guy for the for the most part. Right,
I would I vote. I'd vote either that like entire
show or just Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Yeah, I like that, or like Lebron. Those are both
great choices. I would go, and I think you'd be
on board with this, Jeff. I'd go with Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh right, I cannot wait for WAA season. I'm gonna
make so much money. I'm Caitlyn Clark. She's gonna have
twelve assistant game because she has teammates and catch of basketball.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
The funniest thing for people that don't know this, Jeff
and I text the most easily over Caitlyn Clark in
the WNBA in general, it's just like WNBA bets.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
There's so much money to be made.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, are.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Two things Caan and Clark this year is gonna have.
I'm telling you she average tennisis to game last year.
She should have had tennisister game because her teammates can
and I guarantee you that most Knights are gonna set
her number like seven and a half, which it's gonna
catch you over all the time, and the Fever are
going to win a lot of their games by I
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think early in the season people will not catch on
to them being as good as they are, all right, right,
I think, And I think that like the Chicago Sky,
I think are gonna be bad. They've not like no
free agents. I think you can fade them, and I
think there's opportunities to like fade the Sky and be
on the Fever and just like make money in the
(23:45):
w NBA.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But think about this too, everything that you're mentioning right there,
I don't think you're saying any of these words if
not for Caitlin Klok absolutely right like that. That's how
big she is, and regardless for betting or when wagers
or anything like just the relevance of the league and
the drama. She's the least dramatic person, but there's all
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this drama that just follows her around. And if you're
just a casual fan or like, all of a sudden
this has become for the months it's around, it's like
this is a legitimate product to sample.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
She's a lot for those who I know, people women's
sports guys, it's watch a Fever man like they play
the Brandon basketball. You know, the same people that complain
like I don't want to watch women play basketball, the
same ones to play in the NBA. No fundamentals of
the NBA. It's like, if you want to watch that
type of game, turn on a Fever game. It's what
you complains with the NBA is not what's the Fever
(24:47):
play like? So I think I'd be I didn't think
I would be a Fever fan, but we made so
much money last year on the second half of that
season because no one sort of thought they were good essentially.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Right, right, they were good, but a bad start, yeah, and.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Then they got good at the All Star break and
they were just they were drilling teams and Kevin Clark
was going over I mean her pointing out of the
system to thirty two and a half thirty. Yeah, it
was just insanely high numbers and not even like, not
even a sweat to get over. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, Okay, how about the flip side, who's your pick
in the sports world to go away forever? And you
got to think about this too, where I'm not. I'm
gonna shut up right now. But but who's your first thought?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
I mean, I texted to you this morning and'll be
Aaron Rodgers. From Aaron Rodgers again, I'd.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I'd be finally, and I'm totally fine with that.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
But in the news, maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
All right, let me play Devil's advocate, Okay, yeah, because
he's he's on his last leg with his career here,
So do you use this like? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
I don't know. Let me think of who else if
I never heard from them again? Oh geez, I think
there are certain X accounts that are gambling.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Touts, all right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Never saw their tweets again, and they were not shared
in text message threads. I'd be, okay, never seen that,
but I tell you that gives me a lot of
enjoyment though, to laugh, So I gotta say that, maybe
not make a lot of money off them last Yeah,
one of them, jeez, I made I faded one last
night who had won one college basketball wager and it
was a small school wager. And there's just no way
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that that person, Brian is remotely studying any of those teams.
There's just no chance it's just like straight ken palm
and like there's just no way, there's no way. So
uh in sports? Who I mean, I'm in the NFL.
(27:01):
You just have a thing where I just didn't like
Carson Wentz but he's basically not doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Really oh interesting, I don't know, yeahs young.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, I just Carson went never took accountability right, Like
he lives, he lives Indianapolis, and he gave his long
like goodbye letter he posted and none of it was
like about him, about the accountability to himself. It was
all about other things that I think that are fine.
To believe him, but I need some accountability, right Like
you have to own up to the mistakes you made
in your play? Bad? Do you have someone?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
I mean, you know, it's it really is hard to
top Aaron Rodgers right now. There might be a younger name,
but like that's the thing. Man is a lot of
villains or the dudes they either sure the pot or whatever.
Sometimes they're really good. Sometimes they're good for sports in general.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
The words are great for sports.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Give me someone that goes against the grain, who's hated,
who I might even hate myself. I might not that
person to be away forever. It gives me a reason
of care.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
How do I do less? Draymond Green for being honest.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
He's gonna be in the skills competition. Did you know?
I didn't realize that I was.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It was for what skill?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I don't know, Like the NBA Skills Competition, it's Team
Warriors is one of the teams. It's Draymond Is. I
was like, what, okay, okay, but yeah, if you're watching
the Saturday night festivities, your guy Drake.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Is probably the first year I didn't watch a single
second of anything Pro Bowl, didn't watch a second of it.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, dude, you didn't miss anything.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I feel like I'm not gonna watch a second on
the NBA All Star Weekend. It's just not for me.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
I got to see the three point contest that to
me is worth watching.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
But and I know that they said they're not running
the Sabrina stuff right back. I didn't know that was
a suggestion or they run that back and did it
last year. That was the only time, like you just
that's a one year thing. When camle Clark said no,
like that was the end of it.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah, that was what I thought because it was in
the bay right, Like maybe you would have Steph there
and and run this back, but they said, no, not
doing it.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The the goal I think was to get Kateler to
do it right you did last year with Sabrina, and
to get Kiln Clark to do it. But she, I'll
tell you what, man, she is so smart with her marketing,
Like I like what she's doing where she's just saying, like,
I'm not doing any of this stuff. I'm just gonna
play ball. I'm sure that some points she'll start doing more,
but I like that approach, like she's waiting to sort
(29:32):
of earn those opportunities like Sabrino waited, right, I mean,
be a couple of years and Sabrino was able to
go with Steph and Keller. Car's just like in the gym,
working you know, unrivaled. Nope, not not doing that. I'm
not doing a three point contest. I'm just gonna work.
And I'm sure she'll do some of these things, you know,
a couple of years ago from now. But I like
her mentality of just sort of you know, waiting for
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things to come to her when she feels a little
more like it's more appropriate for her to have these
you know, these things you'll come to her.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, I think that. Look, I'll put it this way.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Well, Homes did the same thing early in his career,
by the way, too, he just sort of did not
do any marketing stuff for a couple.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Of years and yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Then you know, you win a few Super Bowls and
then all of a sudden you pop up on a
state farm commercial like that's the way.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
All the time? Now.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Yeah, sure, that to me feels like the way to
do it rather than sort of do everything so early
in your career. And I'm not saying that that's the
wrong way to do things.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
It's the Baker Mayfield thing, yeah, right, Like Baker was
exactly all over everywhere.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
And I think he regrets that because that puts so
much undue pressure. It's already hard as a young player
to be drafted so high and have so much pressure
on you. Then you add on the you know, the
commercials and the endorsements. And I'm not saying these athletes
shouldn't do those, right, you shouldn't. You have to maximize
your potential as student as possible, right, and to make
all that money, But I do think sometimes it can
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be a detriment, just the stress, that extra stress. It
puts a young player. It's hard already to be a
franchise savior as Baker Mayfield was, you know, was to be.
And then all of a sudden, you're in commercials and whatnot,
and people question, have you earned the right to be
in these commercials? So so yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So well, And especially for Caitlin, if she were on
every commercial she does a little bit, there's what one
State Farm commercial that she does a few, but she
had an excellent season. If she was doing just you know,
commercial after commercial after ad after ad, you would get
nothing but oh snowflake angel like Caitlin Clark over here,
(31:32):
no wonder, she's so marketable, right Like, It just wouldn't
be a wise move from that standpoint. She just like
she just wants to focus on hooping, man, And I
think she's trying to limit those type of distractions. Otherwise
she'd do the three point contest, she would do all
these things during All Star weekend. She just doesn't do that,
by the way. Putting a bow on this other thing
(31:55):
with who you would want to go away for good
in the sports world, Not particularly on my list, but
I think a lot of people would have Bronnie James
on their list, wouldn't they we can make Bronnie go
away forever. I feel like a lot of fans would
be like, he doesn't belong, he never should be on
an NBA roster and points that one night. I don't
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I think he would be a popular suggestion. I do,
you don't think so?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I don't know if he's not of a name to
that to have that.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
I just man, you talk about revving someone up, just
say hey, hey, Bronni had nine points last night. Just
say that and someone will be off and running nine points.
He doesn't belong wearing a jersey. You know, it's just
because of his father. Oh people, he had nine points
though there ain't nothing they get revved up real faster.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
Sports. I mean, I could do without some of the
You know what, if anyone says the NFL is are rare,
they just be out of spots. There you go it Sunday?
Was it rigged for the Chiefs on Sunday? And then?
I love that. I love the responses like basically like
the Eagles were so good that the refs couldn't rig
it for the Chiefs. Ok alright, sure, whatever you say.
Mames got punched in the face and wasn't there was
(33:15):
no Come on, guys, I mean, if there's any playing
for quarterback to get a personal fouls when Jalen Carter
punches you in the face.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
But especially during a turnover, yeah, that'd.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Be that'd be a great time. I mean the game
was over anyways by that, it wouldn't matter. But still,
like you, you know, the game is so rigged that
the largest human on the field punches the quarterback in
the face. And uh, dude, you know what's so funny.
Jalen Carter is a larger man. He's like the third
largest egle though. That's that's how big Jordan and Jordan
Malatta and Lane Johnson enormous to Yeah, but he's more
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like he's more built like refrigerator.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
Did you see the video of Landon Dickerson, who was
left guard Eagles by the way, drinking beer while having
an ivy hooked up to him?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I didn't see that.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah, good to his Instagram. There's a video of like
some player, it might have been even Cooper to Gen
being interviewed in the locker room and he's in the
background with the ivy tree, you know, like the stand
Yeah on wheels walking on the back of the locker
with the IVY plugged into his arm. Drinking beer a
kind of counter to what if you have if you
(34:26):
have a dehydration problem. I'm not sure that drinking alcoholic
beverage really helps with that, but I think I never
won a Super Bowl, so I don't know what that
feels like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, there you go, man, It's anything goes when you
win a ring, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
All right?
Speaker 2 (34:37):
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and you'll see this show posted right after we get
off the air. Okay, Jeff, so a couple of wide
receivers in the news. You're gonna hear a lot about
this in the offseason. T Higgins, yeah, with the Bengals,
and also Deebo Samuel with the forty nine ers. He's
been allowed to seek a trade. Here's what I'm thinking,
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because you'll hear a lot of this about t Higgins.
Is he really your number one wide receiver? Is if
you don't have Jamar Chase on the other side, Is
he a real number one threat? I think he is.
Time will tell, But to me, I think there should
be more skepticism going forward about Deebo Samuel. Should there not?
(36:12):
I mean, look at last season you had Brandon i
Yuk get hurt and now you're like, Okay, there should
be Deebo's time to shine. It wasn't. Deebo had a
very mediocre season, Yeah, for the Niners. So I'm curious
why there's as much skepticism about t Higgins as there
(36:32):
is and hardly anything about Debo going forward. People act
like this is the debo of three years ago. Yeah,
it's a different debo now, it is.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
I think, you know, some of the issue with Deebo
is just catching the football. You know, he's just didn't
catch the football regularly enough to be a wide receiver.
And I think that, you know, I don't think that
like the slash stuff, is that terribly important to me
if I'm paying Debo, paying him to be a wide
receiver and not the slash guy that he sort of
(37:06):
maybe wants to be at times, right, And again, I
think you you're a fair to question of he is
a number one wide receiver, which times it feels like
he's not because he can't catch a football. He's also
not like an X like a traditional just like line
up out wide, you know, like a J. Brown does
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and just make place that's not what he is. And
so I think that that's it's fair to question if
you're going to pay him all this money if he's
not a true number one wide receiver. T Higgins to
me feels like he is number one wide receiver. Is
he as good as Jamar Chase? No, No, but that's fine.
But he's like a big he's a for example, like
(37:48):
the Panthers are a team that feels like, you know,
might sign him, like he's certainly number one for them,
you know, like, yeah, so I think that that is
the case for many teams. Or he is number one?
Is he as good justin Jefferson? I don't think so, right,
but he's certainly cable quote quote number one wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, there are a lot of teams that have a
number one receiver who's good. Take like Washington with Terry McLaurin.
Terry mclaurin's a good receiver. He's not top five, but
he's good. Is he Higgins capable of being that for
another team? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
Yes, totally agree. Yes. And I don't think the Bengals
are going to pay him, right we.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I don't think he Yeah, you can't pay everybody, you know,
you got to diversify where you're spending the money. You know,
Like you got a number one wide receiver in Jamar Chase,
I think it makes more sense to, you know, go
with some other number two receivers and spread that money
(38:50):
out across the roster instead of it just I don't
think he can go all in with that much money
committed to two wide receivers. I don't think that's a great.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
The rest of your team needs work, right, right when
the brutal last that's the thing is, Yeah, this is
what it's salary cap league is. You know, two things
are very important, right. It's it's how you spend your money, right,
and then it's also just drafting development. You can't have
a winning team without drafting developing players. I just mentioned
there's like like eleven guys. Eagles have more, I mean
more that are like that are guys they've drafted, developed
(39:23):
and now some of those guys have earned contracts obviously
by now. But the Bengals just are behind on that
party as well. You have to draft develop more players,
and you know paying again, paying these guys is not
really the way.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
To do it, right. You know, I'm just comparing the
numbers between Debo and T Higgins last season. It's amazing
where you had fifteen starts for Debo, right, you had
nine starts for T Higgins, who's dealing with some injury stuff, right,
and T Higgins put up much bigger, much bigger numbers.
(39:57):
T Higgins had ten touchdown catches, Deebo had three. Like
Deebo starting six more games and had seven fewer touchdown catches.
It's like, whoa holy cow?
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And Deebo is only one year older. He's been in
the in the league for one more year than T. Higgins,
which is stack Deebo feels way older than he actually is,
doesn't he Just the style of game that he plays.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Yeah, you know, I do wonder again about just like
if you make him a full time white out, what
can you do that production?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know?
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, and you need that because you're you're gonna be
paying him like a one all right plenty to get
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