September 1, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz go in depth on the Micah Parsons trade and ultimately wonder what the Cowboys were thinking, and how the Packers and Cowboys were both similarly affected, then transition into Arch Manning’s less than spectacular debut against Ohio State.
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So we go to the NFL over here, all right,
and you know, when you're driving, and I don't know
if it says this anymore, but on your side mirror,
it would always say objects in your mirror are closer
than they appear, right, And it makes sense because you
look at your side mirror and it looks like the
car behind you is you know, you got some distance,
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and then you remember, wait a minute, he's like on
my bumper, he's right freaking there. So objects are a
lot closer than they appear. I think that's true for
a couple of teams. We just had this Micah Parsons
trade Cowboys Packers, right, he goes from the Cowboys to
the Packers. If you start looking at these teams, Jeff,
(02:00):
I just think that it's fashionable to clown the Cowboys
because they haven't been to the NFC title game in forever, right,
it's been thirty years since they've been there, and the
Packers they've had more success. They're not clowned nearly as
much as the Cowboys are, right, And some of it
is with good reason, But I was just looking at
it last night, and it was interesting how it played
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out where I was looking at the last four years
Packers versus the Cowboys, because that's how long Michaeh. Parsons
has been in the league, right, He's been there for
the last four years. And if you look at the
Packers compared to the Cowboys, the Cowboys have won more
games over the last four years.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We forget Cowboys twelve and five for three straight seasons,
and then they were seven and ten last season. Dak
Prescott only started eight games. If you look at the
Packers these last four years, starting in twenty twenty one,
thirteen and four, eight and nine, that was Rogers last season,
sub five hundred team didn't make the playoffs, then nine
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and eight, then eleven and six last season. Cowboys actually
have won two more games than the Packers over the
last four years. It's kind of interesting, right, same playoff records.
Both are one and three over the last four years,
and they both have one season where they missed the playoffs.
Very comparable numbers like team wise in terms of regular
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season wins, what they've done in the postseason. What's the
point of all of this? What I'm thinking here, Jeff,
you tell me if you're on board or not. I
would push back on the idea that Micah Parsons is
like the missing link to winning it All for Green Bay.
He's a star pass rusher, He's an awesome player. Not
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taking anything away from him, But do you think that
the Cowboys and the Packers are way different over the
last four years? I don't. They might be different this season,
but over the last four years, Michael Parsons was on
the Cowboys and they've done nothing in the postseason. Why
would I think him going to the Packers is then
all of a sudden poof like, look out, super Bowl Champs,
(04:05):
here we come. I don't believe that. I think they're
very comparable. I think Dak and Jordan Love are comparable.
I think that their lack of postings and success has
been comparable. The teams are losing to is similar to
you look at the Cowboys. They lost to the Niners twice.
Guess who lost to the Niners twice? Also the Packers.
So I just don't think when you look at those
two teams, they're a lot closer than many people think
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they are.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
They have been, Brian, but I think they're going in
different directions. Right now, that's fair. That part is fair,
like so is parts is the missing piece per se? No,
I don't know if that's the right way to put it, Brian,
but there's no doubt the impact he has in the
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games he has played, right, sure, the Cowboys. I go
back to this. So there's a couple analytics that we
use to define essentially, just the way I explain it
is it defines efficiency. Right. You know there's passing yards
and rushing yards, but you know some of those numbers
can be skewed up in a situation and and and
essentially like you know, garbage time versus you know things
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like that, right, Like it's you know, passing yards, like
what is that? Right? If you're down a bunch and
you throw the ball late and you get a bunch
of passes, that does that mean the defense played poorly? No,
just that's situation. Right. So I like analytics, right, I
like a fifty number. So it's right, expected points at
It's called EPA. Right. There's basically two of them that
are they're universal EPA and and DVOA. And they said
they're basically the same thing, but they're way different ways
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to calculate it Parsons on the field for the Cowboys.
When he is on the field in his career, the
Cowboys defense is number one in EPA. Okay, they're thirty one. Wow,
in the thousand snaps he's off the field. Okay, So
like that just shows you the impact he has on
the team. Okay. And to me, football, dude, is it's
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not outside of quarterback. It's really not. There's not a
single reason why a team wins or loses. Okay. And
to act like the Cowboys and Cowboys fans as coping mechanism, Well,
he wasn't good in the playoffs, the four playoff games. Yeah, Okay,
I don't know what you want from me to say.
(06:21):
What do you want me to say, He's played four
playoff games. He wasn't great. I don't give me the situation,
give me the reason why. Okay, he didn't play as
well as your whole team didn't play as well. So
the micro partner this thing, and and so I don't
know if he's the missing link for the Packers, but
his ability to make them just that much better. Remember
(06:41):
last year, Brian, they lost games to only playoff teams
by a handful of points, Like they're they're they're knocking
on the door. They're right there now. Jordan Love had
to just be better overall, And maybe you think to yourself, well,
he was beat up last year. He was really never healthy.
After he came back, maybe a full healthy year. We
get different parts. It's certainly fair to to to believe
(07:02):
all those things, right, And so I don't know Brian
if the right way to put is he's the missing
piece and now they're winning a super Bowl. But his
ability to affect the game defensively makes him a very
valuable piece to any team. The Packers hadn't had a
cap space, correct, they had the draft picks. They're they're
close to being much better this season they were, you know,
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they're super young. Experience matters in the NFL, right, getting
a little older, more experienced. So I loved it for
the Packers. The Cowboys, to me, went about this is
just the complete wrong way. You just cannot People say
it's a hers Walker trade. It's not. It's not. Parsons
is young and he has a lot of really really
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good football left in him. And I think it's really
foolish to think of this as the part as the
herschel Walker. You didn't get as much back. You got
two draft picks in a defense attack the herschel Walker trade.
You you end to put seven. And I'm watching the
Cowboys dock right now, Brian. And it's great, by.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The way, if you want to really good, Yeah, good do.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well. It's it's fascinating about it. The herschel Walk I
didn't reized this. I didn't. I didn't know. This is
that they actually did not get as many draft picks.
Originally they actually had to they had to cut the
players that were drafted that they were sent over in
the trade to get the draft pick. And the Vikings
did not think they would do that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's like, it's so it's so different.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Now, yeah we even know about that. You'd be like, wait,
what you thought they just keep the old guys? Yeah,
not all the draft picks.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Again, know they got they got all the conditional draft
picks attached to those guys.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, so you would be like, of course the draft picks. Now,
it's not the same trade. On the same trade trade.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Without the conditional draft picks. They still got three first rounders,
three second rounders, third, a sixth. That's beyond the conditional
draft picks. It was the Hall of halls, you know
what I mean? It was a mega hall in return
for herschel Walker, and that's not what they got for
Michael Parson. That's my thing is listen. I know you're
(09:17):
down on CLV, you know, closing line value because sometimes
you get the best of a betting number and it
still doesn't work out for you. But over time you're
better off getting you know, you know that right, you'd
rather have, you know, minus three compared to minus five
and a half. Right, over time, it's going to play
(09:37):
to your benefit. It does, it does, it absolutely does.
I know you have for some reason, it doesn't work
out for you a handful of times, but it definitely does.
It works out over the over the long haul. It's
the same concept with players. You want to maximize value,
all right, put CLV to the side. You want to
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maximize value with whatever which a player that you happen
to have. The Cowboys didn't do that with Micah Parsons.
Why aren't they dealing him in March? Right? Like you
got all these teams that are in audio, you get
to have this, you know, this bonanza where the price
tag is just going up and up and up because
there's an arms race to try to get Mike Michah Parson.
(10:17):
They didn't do that. They traded him to a team
in their own conference. It's such a ridiculous way they
went about it, where they didn't maximize the value of
this star asset that they had. It just it was bad.
It was clumsy. It's similar to what the Dallas Mavericks
did with Luca. I mean you can look at that
and say, hey, Anthony Davis can play fine. People look
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at this so wrong where they didn't maximize his value
and open it up to the entire league and just
get the price tag driven up. They didn't do that.
They didn't maximize his value either. So both Dallas teams
screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
To me, Brian, the way they did it, it was
was pretty stummy. I mean, Jerry Jones was the kind
of a scumbag and this whole process right where like
so he kept saying that they had a handshake deal done.
So Michael Parsons and and Jerry Jones went went they
(11:17):
had a meeting in where Parsons on his leadership, which
which I actually I want to get to you in
a second. You know, people are upset. Teammates are upset
about this podcast. He has right, how much of a
leader he is? And and and uh and he went
to he went to this meeting and came out of it.
I guess to him and Jerry talk contract. Okay, I'm
not surprising, right, And they talk contract and they shook
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the hand. They shook hands after the meeting was over,
like any meeting, right, You're like, see you later, buddy.
Jerry Jones took that as a as a sign of
a deal, and Michael Parsons said, no, let me talk
to my agent. And Jerry refused, refuse, refused talk to
his agent. I did a handshake deal and I saw
some tweet like this he bought the cowboys and a
handshake d So therefore this is this way. He assumes
(12:02):
that operations are run. But Jerry, there has to be
a mutual understanding that a deal is done. Brian, if
you tell me, I'll tell you something for this amount,
I a great deal, buddy, Like done, Like that's an
acknowledgement that I have a deal with you. But if
all say, hey, man, i'll see I'll talk to my agent.
Good meeting, Like good meeting is not the deal's done.
(12:24):
There has to be mutual agreement that a deal is done.
To have a handshake deal. By the way, I shook
someone's hand for a deal to buy a team, and
then I filled out one hundred pages of paperwork. It's like, yeah,
you shook the hand and then you did all the paperwork,
right Like you just like to shake the hand of
the hand. You the keys, here's the key of facility.
It's yours, buddy. No like this, of course there's another
(12:45):
whole thirty days with lawyers, right, Like to pretend to
Jerry Jones just shook someone's hand. It was handed. He's
the Cowboys. It's not the way life works, right, And
so to pretend that he could just say, Parsons, we
have a deal. We talked, no representation was there. You
have a highly o painage is very good. And his
refusal to talk to the agent, like the process by
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which this was done by the Cowboys is really really
silly to me. And the Cowboys deserve and Jerry Jones
deserves all the bad things that they're gonna happen this season. There.
I'll tell you what, man, I've I've been in the
situation in the NFL where a team I was on
very clearly was not trying to win at the top,
and that was the twenty ten Panthers, right we were
(13:27):
that year. We were two and fourteen. Okay, I'm wat
surely the Cowboys are two and fourteen this year, Brian.
But it seems very clear they're not trying to be
their best and you can feel that, and it was
really demoralizing. And we played our hardest every week. I
watch the Cabs aren't gonna play hard, and we were
bad at quarterbacks. A little different situation, but I think
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Cowboys are in a world of hurt. Man. This is
so demoralizing for their whole team. Their best player, who
again is very valuable to winning and losing for them
in totally right. Maybe not again on the playoff, but
just like he's an impactful player, is not there. Man.
I the Cowboys an't think earned for a war to
hurt this year. It feels like they're in a bad
spot to put to make this move when they did.
(14:13):
I'm concerned about their success this season.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that they're gonna have
great success or anything like that. But their season win
total is seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I liked it. I did like they're over, But I'm
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I like the over still even without Micah there, because
I still go back to compare it with the Packers, right.
I know, Jordan Love missed two games last year. There's
only two games with Malik Willis in there, compared to
you had Dak start eight, he missed nine games. He
missed nine plus games. It's hard to win games in
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the NFL when your starter is out for that long.
He's over out for over half the season. So if
he's blessed with better health, then if Dak starting seventeen games,
I love their chances to at least get to eight wins.
But to your point, like you know, I don't have
them making huge noise in the playoffs. Should they even
get there.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I just I wonder if we're a little too high
on the Packers that I just look at the Super
Bowl odds. The odds are okay, you have three teams
at seven to one. That's the Ravens, Bills, and Eagles.
This is on bet MGM. You have the Chiefs at
eight to one, and then it's the Lions and the
Packers are tied at twelve to one. So basically, the
Packers have the fifth best odds. They're tied for the
(15:30):
fifth best odds to win the Super Bowl? Are you
betting the Packers was?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What were they before the Partians deal?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Is?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's the question They're probably I don't. I don't know exactly,
but they weren't. They didn't just skyrocket up just because
of this trade. There was somewhere in that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I actually I like them too. I like them
to win the Vision before before this, and I think
the reason why is it's more just a little bit
of a of a down on the Lions and not
sure where I'm getting from Kayleb Williams and McCarthy like
(16:06):
I feel, I'm sure you feel the same way. Look,
I know what I'm getting from the Packers this season.
I feel like I do. They're pretty much a very
steady team and we know we're getting from them. It
might not be a super Bowl, but I feel very
comfortable about what I'm getting every week in the Packers.
The Vikings. McCarthy might be the best quarterback ever. I
just don't know. We haven't seen it, right, and we
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all agree on that. We don't know. The Bears, I
think there's some some just they know they're going to
be good eventually we're Kayes, but maybe not now. There's
a lot of moving parts, right, It's a new coach
and what not. In the Lions. The Lions have two
new coordinators. They've already had injuries on the defense side
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of the ball, which stinks. Okay, And they're scheduled this
year for schedule matters a lot. They're non division road
games this season.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Kansas City ridiculous, Baltimore, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Washington ooh, I mean like plus the Vikings,
Bears and Packers. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Their real schedule is brutal.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So I think the Packers are very live to win
the division, Brian. And if they are, if they win
the Vision, get a home playoff game. I think it's possible,
and you hope obviously that if you are ahead of
a lot of games. The difference to win those games
is Michael Parsons getting a sack or two.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, hey, I get it, and look at my workout
that way. And you could look at this and say, well, hey,
the Cowboys had Micah Parsons those four years, and he
had at least twelve sacks every single year and they
did what they did, you know, record wise, playoff wise,
all that stuff. If you look at the Packers, the
last time they had a guy, an individual player that
had a double digit sack season, it was Darius Smith.
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You have to go all the way back to twenty
twenty get twelve and a half sacks. So they haven't
had a double digit sack guy these last four years
that Michael Parsons has been in the league. So if
he continues that production and you pencil them in for
twelve plus sacks each year, basically, yeah, that could make
a big difference. That could be something that if he
makes an impact come playoff time, it could be something
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that puts him over the top. I just I'm just
making the point that we clowned the Cowboys all day long,
and they didn't do anything with Micah Parson's playoffs, not
all his fault. So I'm just saying keep that in mind.
If you're really thinking, oh, man, Packers, baby, they were
cooking with grease over here, it's like, yeah, just pump
the brakes just a little bit on that. That's all
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I'm saying here.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's surely fair to say that I do I do
think process matters a lot for us and how things
are done, even though the end result might be the same,
and think people like we are just laughing at at
the Cowboys process here Again, the end result might be
saying they might both just be the same team this year.
I don't think that's trying. The Packers are much more
talented and they're better coach too, which I think we
(18:55):
all agree that Mattlafur is a good coach, right, we
all r out there, Sean Heeimert to me, I don't,
I just don't buy it. But nonetheless, the process by
which they got here, to me, is is the big
story and why we're so hung up on the Cowboys
kind of losing this trades and they just they just
went about this in just the silliest way possible. And
(19:16):
when you already looked at as a as a franchise
that is questionable with decision making and how you're run
doing it this way makes you look up like a
buffoon even more. Yeah, and makes it look like you
don't know what you're doing. And the last thing here too, Brian,
that I think it's so interesting is you know the
Cowboys doc, right, it's been It's great. You should everyone
should watch it. Do you know what the number one
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thing I noticed about why they won a lot of games?
And they had the best roster they had obviously Troy
Coman right, the best running back EMMTT Smith, one of
the best way outs of Michael Irvin, the best offensive
line Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, had all the best players.
So for Jerry essentially to like to protect and like,
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you don't need a guy like Parsons to win, to me,
is like even one of the dumber things here right right, Yeah, no,
you got him to win?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You need that, Yeah, absolutely, you do, all right? That
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so Arch Manning not a great performance against Ohio State.
Actually a dud performance. Did not play well at all.
Now this was Arch after the game, his comments, what
he had to say. Check it out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, it didn't start fast enough. It took a whole
half for us to kind of even get the ball
down the field.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So that starts with me.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Get back to square one and then get back Monday
and you go prepare for Santasee State. Yeah, ultimately not
good enough. Obviously you don't want to start off season
zero to one. They're a good team. But I thought
we beat ourselves a lot, and that starts with me,
and I got to play better for us to win.
Can't wait till the second half to kind of get
things going.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I actually I got to add that to the mix, Jeff,
I've got it. Starts with me mix. It's very popular
phrase in sports. Now I'll have to try to dig
that up for you. I even put it to music.
It's tremendous. It might be a hit song one of
these days. But Arch Manning will be added to the
mix there. But we get it right, he didn't play well.
What would you say is the most sensible take when
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it comes to Arch Manning right now? Because there are
some wild takes being floated out there. There are some
people who are like, this guy sucks. I knew it.
It was all hot here, Like, what do you think
I think is the most sensible opinion right now regarding Arch?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, I know that part of our job is to
say things that are inflammatory, right. We want to get
the word out, to listen to our program and say
things that let people know that we have our hot takes.
And the most sensible take is very clearly that he
(23:27):
with the way that Texas has built that for new
offensive linemen, some new skill guys, some portal guys, some
good players, but this was a very tough spot for
Arch to be in. And I think the part that
is disappointing is when you're a player like Arch, who's
supposed to be the player Arch is supposed to be,
(23:48):
is that you would like to see him elevate those
around him. I don't think we saw that very much
on on Saturday, And is others to point out, not
just me, others who you know, film study guys, and
one I is it felt like they really did didn't
trust him early in the game to be that quarterback.
And if you're if you're going to you know, to
(24:10):
to think he is the guy, you got to put
more offense in his hands. And it felt like Texas
was did not think he was a guy early in
that game. I think we saw that a little bit
with your Dame last night and they were like, oh,
like it's we got cars, got it like we got
to give a little more to do like to with
this game. And they did, and you live or die
by that absolutely, but I thought Texas just should have
(24:32):
been a little a little a little more offensive oriented
toward Arch early in the game. And when they finally
sort of did, it opened up a little bit. But
that that concerns me about why why were they not
so arch dominant to start? What was Sark worried about
was he worried the offensive line, and it's certainly there.
The offensive took four new starters on the road at
Ohio State, very talented starters, by the way, very starts
(24:53):
recruited great, right, they're great players haven't played a lot,
So maybe he was scared about them and in general
and in that moment, So the game plan was a
little bit muted for that reason. But to me, that's
the thing is like Archs, I bet Texas just kicks
butt against I can't say. I don't know if I can,
I can I say on this, I don't know if
(25:13):
I could say. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, yeah, but you can say.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Asked me. You can't say the S word. I never
I don't understand that. I just don't get I don't
I don't get the rules here. I just say, I
just don't say anything, Okay, just keep it respectful. I
don't know. I just do so much satellite radios wherever
you want, satelite radio. So nonetheless, I think they probably
Whipple have state this weekend. Sounds they state this weekend,
and we sort of wait to see arch against Georgia
(25:39):
is the next moment, right is it? Do they give
him more offense? They trust him a little bit more?
Does he? You know? Is he sort of settled down
a little bit as a quarterback? Look, a lot of
pressure of this off seas a lot of eyeballs to him.
To me, that that's the most sensible take he's not
a bus yet, we don't know what he's gonna be.
And then just go back to the idea again of
what I started the show with Brian, is that experience
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does matter in the sport. Okay, now to what degree
we can argue about what that is. But Archers does
not play a lot of football, and open up at
Ohio State is a very difficult task.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's it, right, Like quite simply to me, the most
sensible take of arch Manning right now is bad game
doesn't automatically equal bad quarterback. Correct, he played badly. He
had a bad game. We're not gonna make excuses for it.
But that doesn't mean he's bad going forward or that's
he'll all he'll ever be. Because that's what a lot
(26:34):
of people are making it sound right now, like they're like, oh,
I knew this guy was just all hype, no substance.
I mean, look at the teams he was facing. There's
some of the teams he was facing in high school
not the best competition.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
That, by the way, is so dumb. I've seen that,
like the he played, but okay, I I played. I
played like one guy who went to college in three years.
What is it who try, right, Yeah, that matter.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, but that to me is what it boils down to,
is like I wouldn't sell every share of Arch Manning stock.
There's a reason why he was the best recruit in
his class, the top one and number one recruit. There's
a reason why he's projected to maybe be a number
one overall draft pick. The guy is talented, he just
doesn't have a ton of experience. He's got more talent
(27:22):
than experience in college. So when that starts to even
out and he gets more experience, you might see a
much better version of Arch Manning. So correct, that's it, right,
I wouldn't throw everything out with one bad performance.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The thing that I found so interested in previewing this
season is to see, like which quarterbacks people were most
excited to watch this season and why people seem to
be excited for their success, and the arch is one
of them, obviously, Julian saying, you know, how's this quarterback?
And cars So he's Bryce's young guys, and then like
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we just like sort of forgot the other guys the
excitement for to watch Iowa's quarterback, Like I don't really
understand that this is. It's like it's interesting, like how
what we cared about this season. Big names always sell.
Big names are the ones that we we we focus
on a lot. To me, we don't give enough to
(28:16):
the idea of the experience matters and all those things
sort of play the factor your Oklahoma John Matier played
really like Seller's experience got played better second half of
that game. I was a little surprised that a club
Nick and Nutsmeyer struggles a little bit, but they those
are tough defenses they played. But a lot of you know,
these presets and narratives like that, we can coct it,
man like all just blew up in our faces immediately.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Of course, I just give it a little bit of time.
By the way, it starts with me. Some of the
biggest names in the NFL loved this. Tom Brady was
using it when he was still playing. Starts with me, right, Okay,
you got you got to go use it. How about
Josh Allen Bill's quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Starts with me?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
All right, we got Big Ben when he was still active.
Jeff It starts with me. We got a head coach,
we got Sean McVay. He was even using this phrase.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Starts with me.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Got to do a better job.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
We've all got to do better.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's the best way to call out everybody else. It
starts with me. I mean, we sucked. It starts with me.
We couldn't protect It does start with me, right, It's
a good way to take accountability and maybe throw some
other people under the bus as well.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But especially if you go from it starts with me,
but also everyone else.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right, right, it's the new butt. Right, it's the you
say something nice, like, you know, Jeff's great to work with,
but and then it's it's way downhill from there, you
know what I mean? Like it starts with me, is
the new butt.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
It is so funny. This starts with me. I never
thought about like that, but it definitely is right, no disrespect.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's right, oh man?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
We do have a mix, you know, to really make
this hit home. Here you go, you know the old
shaggy hit. Yeah, it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
We switched it to It starts with me. Here, try
this out. It starts with me, starts with me, starts
with me, starts with me. There you go, it's gonna
be in your head all day.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Do you remember you put that together? I hope you
made that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, we put that together. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They don't pay you guys enough around here.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I know it. I know. Look at that production right there.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, it's Veto.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Veto's giving me a standing ovation right now. He's our
sound guy. Does a tremendous job here at Fox Sports Radios. No,
you got a real talent man.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How's is Oriol with you this morning?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I told her last night, Jeff, I whispered to her
as she was leaving. I'm like, all right, I got
a fill in show. It starts at three am, so
you're welcome. She didn't understand. I don't think you know.
But she was hanging out for the Notre Dame game.
She was awesome. She it's her weekend routine, jeff our
weekend show. It starts at six am, right like Saturday Sunday.
It'll switch to seven am West Coast time this Sunday,
(30:55):
but she'll show up five minutes before the show on
the note and she just hang out all day. She'll
hang out for the show. I love this. It's a
neighborhood cat. For those people who are like, what is
he talkings? The neighborhood cat who comes over and visits
all the time. I love this cat. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thet we're back to ten. We're back to ten o'clock
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. We move it an
hour forward right to kickoff.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
We I'm curious. So everyone listening, I'm sure has like
conference calls, right, and we had a conference call as
we get ready for our fourth season. Now can't to kickoff?
It's a lot of fun. And I was like, not
the bad guy, but I had all these things to say,
like all these suggestions and whatnot. Everyone just was quiet
the entire time. No one, no one, no one had
anything else to say, And I felt like the bad guy.
Brian guy, he was like, yeah, hey, can we do this?
(31:40):
Can we do that? We can we change this?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Like yeah, They're like, what kind of what gripes do
you have with the bet mgmp here's schwartz? Oh man, well,
I don't know about these in game lines, and what's
up with then? Why don't we have this?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Just and no and Brian at this and Brian by
the way, we talk about like we have the same
we sort of have the same things we don't like
and no one spoke up. No one's anything about it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You know it seems like I left you hanging. I
totally forgot about the team totals. I love betting team totals,
whether it's college football, NFL, in game W n B A,
and a lot of times they're not available. It's just
select games now, So I don't like that. But I didn't.
I swear I didn't think of it.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
At Crack said nothing for the guy who gambles for
a living, had no no complaints about anything whatsoever. I'm
just out here like and and and and I got
the circle back, like I all suckle back with you
in that one. Uh. And it was just it was
just hang just everyone hanging me out to dry Man.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's a yeah. Sometimes I hate being that guy in
the calls. But I was like, I got things I
gotta say. We do this once a year. We do
this one one year. Jared said nothing, Rich said nothing.
Like nobody Richard. I think rich is actually on the radio,
but like no one, no one say anything, Boston say anything.
Just just Jeff Schwartz completely, just every two minutes griping
(33:01):
about something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, just you're like, sorry, I thought we were in
the trust tree. You asked what could be better. I'm
telling you what could be better. Yeah, that's funny, all right.
Coming up next, I've got speaking of gripes, I've got
one thing that is a gripe that has been corrected. Okay,
and then also a major shout out. We'll provide both
(33:24):
of those things coming up. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian.
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posted right after the end of the show. Shaggy was great. No,
no, no matter. Shaggy was fantastic. He had like he's kind
of like a Terrell Davis run.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Terrell Davis was four years in the NFL and then
had the knee injury and that was it. That's kind
of like Shaggy and music. Don't you think like he was.
He was there for a couple of songs, they had
a little stint, and then he was just gone, vanished, poof.
I don't know if he tore his A cl two
or not, Jeff, But uh, I never I.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Never thought of it like that before. But I think
you're I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, uh. I've got a small gripe that was corrected. Okay, Okay,
this is not a huge story, but I just we
had the it starts with me dropped from Tom Breethy,
and it made me think of So the NFL has
relaxed the quote unquote Brady rules. Okay, so he's the
(35:04):
minority owner with the Raiders, right, he's a minority owner,
and so he can now attend production meetings for his
TV role. That is something that has been relaxed because
that was a that was a I don't know. That
was a no no. When Brady became a minority owner,
the NFL is like, Okay, other NFL owners, you're not
(35:25):
gonna have this Brady guy in these TV meetings, all right.
He's not gonna be able to get inside information left
and right. They've relaxed that as they should, like, they're
not gonna unveil some deep, deep dark secrets about these
like these, the other teams know that he's a minority owner.
They're not gonna share anything that puts them in harm's way.
(35:47):
These are TV meetings. They aren't diving crazy deep. He's
not gonna know I don't know. He's gonna meet with mahomes.
He's gonna know all the checks, all the audibles, all
it's not gonna work like this is the dumbest thing
from the go. I'm glad that they've relaxed this.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
You're one hundred percent correct on how dumb this was
to start with. This is like, this is so ridiculous.
Those production meetings you just learned about the teams was
by the way he learned about anyways, he would learned
from from his partner, or he would just tell him
what happened in the meetings, the idea that he couldn't
be in the meetings for some reason because he's getting
an unfair advantage. To me, like, let's be real, okay,
(36:24):
let's be real about what's happening in these meetings. Also,
minority owner, like he yeah, they claim he's part of fregency.
I guess I don't know, probably maybe not. Like how
much is he actually doing day to day? Wait? Wait,
hit the Raiders?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, not a ton.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So it never made sense to me, never made sense
why this was a thing. You know, is it because
you you just want to be hard on Brady or
want to be I don't understand the point of any
of this. It made no sense in this specific instance,
and I'm really really glad they got rid of it
because it was.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Stupid me too. This was remember leading up to the
Super Bowl, Brady had to sit down interview with Mahomes.
People made a big deal out of that at the time.
They're like, Oh, what's up with this. He's a minority owner.
What is Mahomes gonna say in an interview?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Where Brady's gonna go back to the Raiders and be like,
oh the information I got, man, we are just let
me share this with you. We are in a much
better position now after this sit down interview talking about
the Super Bowl with Mahomes. This was so dumb. I'm
just glad that it's no longer continuing to be dumb
(37:36):
and they've relaxed it. It's just it's silly.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It's one of those things where like you think about
it and you're like, in the end, you're like, oh,
that's kind of it's kind of dumb. We did that.
You're like, this is kind of stupid. Ye, why do
we have this is a rule? Once you realize that
it probably you feel a little better about it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Absolutely. By the way, major shout out to Lee Corso.
He had his final appearance on college game day. How
about this, jeff you'd love this as a sports better
six and oh on his picks. Yeah, so the odds
if you parlayed everything about eighty seven to one. He
had a couple of He had Florida State winning outright
(38:18):
over Alabama. They were a two touchdown dog. He had
LSU beating Clemson on the road. He had Miami winning
last night as you did too, Jeffy against my Irish
ye had all those like these aren't just the typical
college game day. I'm gonna take the three touchdown favorite
to win outright, Like these were some legit picks, by course,
(38:38):
so you get an eighty seven to one parlay to
cash if you go six and oh with his that's outstanding.
So rode off into the sunset and style there.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I had. I had Miami last night to finish
out the the leg the last of my picks for
the weekend. Look courso, man, no one will ever be
like him again. What he has done for this sport
is maybe a measurable right like he has done such
and given such a positive you know, uh, love to
(39:09):
the sport, a light to the sport. Everyone who talks
about him talks about him the same way, right, like
such reverence and and that's what I love to be
talked about. One day from people that I worked with
or spent a lot of time with. And uh, it
was great minus a million. He put on that brutus
hat to end the day and he did that's right, yeah,
good good for him, and and it with a bang. Yeah,
(39:30):
it's it's time for him to be done, you know. Yeah,
all things come to at some point. And uh, I
thought it was even cool that Fox.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, they're that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
They cut into their program and showed to show Courso
make the pick at the.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
End, and that was the thing. The report was, it's
not gonna be ESPN's feed, it's just gonna be the
jumbo tron that they're gonna show it. No, it was
ESPN's feed. Man, it was exactly. I thought that was awesome.
That was a really good tribute. Yeah, and you're right
by the way, he's kind of like Charles Barkley is
irreplaceable with the NBA coverage, you know, used to be
(40:07):
with TNT. They'll be on ESPN now, But the same
sort of vibe. The Corso was just such a great fit.
There's not gonna be another Corso someone that would do
the same thing with the head gear. You're like, bro,
that's the Courso. You can't do that, Like that's already
been taken, you know. Tremendous job and just made it fun.
(40:27):
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So we go to the NFL over here, all right,
and you know, when you're driving, and I don't know
if it says this anymore, but on your side mirror,
it would always say objects in your mirror are closer
than they appear, right, And it makes sense because you
look at your side mirror and it looks like the
car behind you is you know, you got some distance,
(01:40):
and then you remember, wait a minute, he's like on
my bumper, he's right freaking there. So objects are a
lot closer than they appear. I think that's true for
a couple of teams. We just had this Micah Parsons
trade Cowboys Packers, right, he goes from the Cowboys to
the Packers. If you start looking at these teams, Jeff,
(02:00):
I just think that it's fashionable to clown the Cowboys
because they haven't been to the NFC title game in forever, right,
it's been thirty years since they've been there, and the
Packers they've had more success. They're not clowned nearly as
much as the Cowboys are, right, And some of it
is with good reason, But I was just looking at
it last night, and it was interesting how it played
(02:21):
out where I was looking at the last four years
Packers versus the Cowboys, because that's how long Michaeh. Parsons
has been in the league, right, He's been there for
the last four years. And if you look at the
Packers compared to the Cowboys, the Cowboys have won more
games over the last four years.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
We forget Cowboys twelve and five for three straight seasons,
and then they were seven and ten last season. Dak
Prescott only started eight games. If you look at the
Packers these last four years, starting in twenty twenty one,
thirteen and four, eight and nine, that was Rogers last season,
sub five hundred team didn't make the playoffs, then nine
(03:00):
and eight, then eleven and six last season. Cowboys actually
have won two more games than the Packers over the
last four years. It's kind of interesting, right, same playoff records.
Both are one and three over the last four years,
and they both have one season where they missed the playoffs.
Very comparable numbers like team wise in terms of regular
(03:23):
season wins, what they've done in the postseason. What's the
point of all of this? What I'm thinking here, Jeff,
you tell me if you're on board or not. I
would push back on the idea that Micah Parsons is
like the missing link to winning it All for Green Bay.
He's a star pass rusher, He's an awesome player. Not
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taking anything away from him, But do you think that
the Cowboys and the Packers are way different over the
last four years? I don't. They might be different this season,
but over the last four years, Michael Parsons was on
the Cowboys and they've done nothing in the postseason. Why
would I think him going to the Packers is then
all of a sudden poof like, look out, super Bowl Champs,
(04:05):
here we come. I don't believe that. I think they're
very comparable. I think Dak and Jordan Love are comparable.
I think that their lack of postings and success has
been comparable. The teams are losing to is similar to
you look at the Cowboys. They lost to the Niners twice.
Guess who lost to the Niners twice? Also the Packers.
So I just don't think when you look at those
two teams, they're a lot closer than many people think
(04:28):
they are.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
They have been, Brian, but I think they're going in
different directions. Right now, that's fair. That part is fair,
like so is parts is the missing piece per se? No,
I don't know if that's the right way to put it, Brian,
but there's no doubt the impact he has in the
(04:52):
games he has played, right, sure, the Cowboys. I go
back to this. So there's a couple analytics that we
use to define essentially, just the way I explain it
is it defines efficiency. Right. You know there's passing yards
and rushing yards, but you know some of those numbers
can be skewed up in a situation and and and
essentially like you know, garbage time versus you know things
(05:13):
like that, right, Like it's you know, passing yards, like
what is that? Right? If you're down a bunch and
you throw the ball late and you get a bunch
of passes, that does that mean the defense played poorly? No,
just that's situation. Right. So I like analytics, right, I
like a fifty number. So it's right, expected points at
It's called EPA. Right. There's basically two of them that
are they're universal EPA and and DVOA. And they said
they're basically the same thing, but they're way different ways
(05:35):
to calculate it Parsons on the field for the Cowboys.
When he is on the field in his career, the
Cowboys defense is number one in EPA. Okay, they're thirty one. Wow,
in the thousand snaps he's off the field. Okay, So
like that just shows you the impact he has on
the team. Okay. And to me, football, dude, is it's
(05:59):
not outside of quarterback. It's really not. There's not a
single reason why a team wins or loses. Okay. And
to act like the Cowboys and Cowboys fans as coping mechanism, Well,
he wasn't good in the playoffs, the four playoff games. Yeah, Okay,
I don't know what you want from me to say.
(06:21):
What do you want me to say, He's played four
playoff games. He wasn't great. I don't give me the situation,
give me the reason why. Okay, he didn't play as
well as your whole team didn't play as well. So
the micro partner this thing, and and so I don't
know if he's the missing link for the Packers, but
his ability to make them just that much better. Remember
(06:41):
last year, Brian, they lost games to only playoff teams
by a handful of points, Like they're they're they're knocking
on the door. They're right there now. Jordan Love had
to just be better overall, And maybe you think to yourself, well,
he was beat up last year. He was really never healthy.
After he came back, maybe a full healthy year. We
get different parts. It's certainly fair to to to believe
(07:02):
all those things, right, And so I don't know Brian
if the right way to put is he's the missing
piece and now they're winning a super Bowl. But his
ability to affect the game defensively makes him a very
valuable piece to any team. The Packers hadn't had a
cap space, correct, they had the draft picks. They're they're
close to being much better this season they were, you know,
(07:25):
they're super young. Experience matters in the NFL, right, getting
a little older, more experienced. So I loved it for
the Packers. The Cowboys, to me, went about this is
just the complete wrong way. You just cannot People say
it's a hers Walker trade. It's not. It's not. Parsons
is young and he has a lot of really really
(07:49):
good football left in him. And I think it's really
foolish to think of this as the part as the
herschel Walker. You didn't get as much back. You got
two draft picks in a defense attack the herschel Walker trade.
You you end to put seven. And I'm watching the
Cowboys dock right now, Brian. And it's great, by.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
The way, if you want to really good, Yeah, good do.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well. It's it's fascinating about it. The herschel Walk I
didn't reized this. I didn't. I didn't know. This is
that they actually did not get as many draft picks.
Originally they actually had to they had to cut the
players that were drafted that they were sent over in
the trade to get the draft pick. And the Vikings
did not think they would do that.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
It's like, it's so it's so different.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Now, yeah we even know about that. You'd be like, wait,
what you thought they just keep the old guys? Yeah,
not all the draft picks.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Again, know they got they got all the conditional draft
picks attached to those guys.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, so you would be like, of course the draft picks. Now,
it's not the same trade. On the same trade trade.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Without the conditional draft picks. They still got three first rounders,
three second rounders, third, a sixth. That's beyond the conditional
draft picks. It was the Hall of halls, you know
what I mean? It was a mega hall in return
for herschel Walker, and that's not what they got for
Michael Parson. That's my thing is listen. I know you're
(09:17):
down on CLV, you know, closing line value because sometimes
you get the best of a betting number and it
still doesn't work out for you. But over time you're
better off getting you know, you know that right, you'd
rather have, you know, minus three compared to minus five
and a half. Right, over time, it's going to play
(09:37):
to your benefit. It does, it does, it absolutely does.
I know you have for some reason, it doesn't work
out for you a handful of times, but it definitely does.
It works out over the over the long haul. It's
the same concept with players. You want to maximize value,
all right, put CLV to the side. You want to
(09:57):
maximize value with whatever which a player that you happen
to have. The Cowboys didn't do that with Micah Parsons.
Why aren't they dealing him in March? Right? Like you
got all these teams that are in audio, you get
to have this, you know, this bonanza where the price
tag is just going up and up and up because
there's an arms race to try to get Mike Michah Parson.
(10:17):
They didn't do that. They traded him to a team
in their own conference. It's such a ridiculous way they
went about it, where they didn't maximize the value of
this star asset that they had. It just it was bad.
It was clumsy. It's similar to what the Dallas Mavericks
did with Luca. I mean you can look at that
and say, hey, Anthony Davis can play fine. People look
(10:39):
at this so wrong where they didn't maximize his value
and open it up to the entire league and just
get the price tag driven up. They didn't do that.
They didn't maximize his value either. So both Dallas teams
screwed this up.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
To me, Brian, the way they did it, it was
was pretty stummy. I mean, Jerry Jones was the kind
of a scumbag and this whole process right where like
so he kept saying that they had a handshake deal done.
So Michael Parsons and and Jerry Jones went went they
(11:17):
had a meeting in where Parsons on his leadership, which
which I actually I want to get to you in
a second. You know, people are upset. Teammates are upset
about this podcast. He has right, how much of a
leader he is? And and and uh and he went
to he went to this meeting and came out of it.
I guess to him and Jerry talk contract. Okay, I'm
not surprising, right, And they talk contract and they shook
(11:40):
the hand. They shook hands after the meeting was over,
like any meeting, right, You're like, see you later, buddy.
Jerry Jones took that as a as a sign of
a deal, and Michael Parsons said, no, let me talk
to my agent. And Jerry refused, refuse, refused talk to
his agent. I did a handshake deal and I saw
some tweet like this he bought the cowboys and a
handshake d So therefore this is this way. He assumes
(12:02):
that operations are run. But Jerry, there has to be
a mutual understanding that a deal is done. Brian, if
you tell me, I'll tell you something for this amount,
I a great deal, buddy, Like done, Like that's an
acknowledgement that I have a deal with you. But if
all say, hey, man, i'll see I'll talk to my agent.
Good meeting, Like good meeting is not the deal's done.
(12:24):
There has to be mutual agreement that a deal is done.
To have a handshake deal. By the way, I shook
someone's hand for a deal to buy a team, and
then I filled out one hundred pages of paperwork. It's like, yeah,
you shook the hand and then you did all the paperwork,
right Like you just like to shake the hand of
the hand. You the keys, here's the key of facility.
It's yours, buddy. No like this, of course there's another
(12:45):
whole thirty days with lawyers, right, Like to pretend to
Jerry Jones just shook someone's hand. It was handed. He's
the Cowboys. It's not the way life works, right, And
so to pretend that he could just say, Parsons, we
have a deal. We talked, no representation was there. You
have a highly o painage is very good. And his
refusal to talk to the agent, like the process by
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which this was done by the Cowboys is really really
silly to me. And the Cowboys deserve and Jerry Jones
deserves all the bad things that they're gonna happen this season. There.
I'll tell you what, man, I've I've been in the
situation in the NFL where a team I was on
very clearly was not trying to win at the top,
and that was the twenty ten Panthers, right we were
(13:27):
that year. We were two and fourteen. Okay, I'm wat
surely the Cowboys are two and fourteen this year, Brian.
But it seems very clear they're not trying to be
their best and you can feel that, and it was
really demoralizing. And we played our hardest every week. I
watch the Cabs aren't gonna play hard, and we were
bad at quarterbacks. A little different situation, but I think
(13:48):
Cowboys are in a world of hurt. Man. This is
so demoralizing for their whole team. Their best player, who
again is very valuable to winning and losing for them
in totally right. Maybe not again on the playoff, but
just like he's an impactful player, is not there. Man.
I the Cowboys an't think earned for a war to
hurt this year. It feels like they're in a bad
spot to put to make this move when they did.
(14:13):
I'm concerned about their success this season.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that they're gonna have
great success or anything like that. But their season win
total is seven and a half.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
I liked it. I did like they're over, But I'm
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
I like the over still even without Micah there, because
I still go back to compare it with the Packers, right.
I know, Jordan Love missed two games last year. There's
only two games with Malik Willis in there, compared to
you had Dak start eight, he missed nine games. He
missed nine plus games. It's hard to win games in
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the NFL when your starter is out for that long.
He's over out for over half the season. So if
he's blessed with better health, then if Dak starting seventeen games,
I love their chances to at least get to eight wins.
But to your point, like you know, I don't have
them making huge noise in the playoffs. Should they even
get there.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I don't know, man.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I just I wonder if we're a little too high
on the Packers that I just look at the Super
Bowl odds. The odds are okay, you have three teams
at seven to one. That's the Ravens, Bills, and Eagles.
This is on bet MGM. You have the Chiefs at
eight to one, and then it's the Lions and the
Packers are tied at twelve to one. So basically, the
Packers have the fifth best odds. They're tied for the
(15:30):
fifth best odds to win the Super Bowl? Are you
betting the Packers was?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
What were they before the Partians deal?
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Is?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's the question They're probably I don't. I don't know exactly,
but they weren't. They didn't just skyrocket up just because
of this trade. There was somewhere in that.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
So I actually I like them too. I like them
to win the Vision before before this, and I think
the reason why is it's more just a little bit
of a of a down on the Lions and not
sure where I'm getting from Kayleb Williams and McCarthy like
(16:06):
I feel, I'm sure you feel the same way. Look,
I know what I'm getting from the Packers this season.
I feel like I do. They're pretty much a very
steady team and we know we're getting from them. It
might not be a super Bowl, but I feel very
comfortable about what I'm getting every week in the Packers.
The Vikings. McCarthy might be the best quarterback ever. I
just don't know. We haven't seen it, right, and we
(16:27):
all agree on that. We don't know. The Bears, I
think there's some some just they know they're going to
be good eventually we're Kayes, but maybe not now. There's
a lot of moving parts, right, It's a new coach
and what not. In the Lions. The Lions have two
new coordinators. They've already had injuries on the defense side
(16:47):
of the ball, which stinks. Okay, And they're scheduled this
year for schedule matters a lot. They're non division road
games this season.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Kansas City ridiculous, Baltimore, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Washington ooh, I mean like plus the Vikings,
Bears and Packers. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Their real schedule is brutal.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
So I think the Packers are very live to win
the division, Brian. And if they are, if they win
the Vision, get a home playoff game. I think it's possible,
and you hope obviously that if you are ahead of
a lot of games. The difference to win those games
is Michael Parsons getting a sack or two.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, hey, I get it, and look at my workout
that way. And you could look at this and say, well, hey,
the Cowboys had Micah Parsons those four years, and he
had at least twelve sacks every single year and they
did what they did, you know, record wise, playoff wise,
all that stuff. If you look at the Packers, the
last time they had a guy, an individual player that
had a double digit sack season, it was Darius Smith.
(17:49):
You have to go all the way back to twenty
twenty get twelve and a half sacks. So they haven't
had a double digit sack guy these last four years
that Michael Parsons has been in the league. So if
he continues that production and you pencil them in for
twelve plus sacks each year, basically, yeah, that could make
a big difference. That could be something that if he
makes an impact come playoff time, it could be something
(18:11):
that puts him over the top. I just I'm just
making the point that we clowned the Cowboys all day long,
and they didn't do anything with Micah Parson's playoffs, not
all his fault. So I'm just saying keep that in mind.
If you're really thinking, oh, man, Packers, baby, they were
cooking with grease over here, it's like, yeah, just pump
the brakes just a little bit on that. That's all
(18:33):
I'm saying here.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
It's surely fair to say that I do I do
think process matters a lot for us and how things
are done, even though the end result might be the same,
and think people like we are just laughing at at
the Cowboys process here Again, the end result might be
saying they might both just be the same team this year.
I don't think that's trying. The Packers are much more
talented and they're better coach too, which I think we
(18:55):
all agree that Mattlafur is a good coach, right, we
all r out there, Sean Heeimert to me, I don't,
I just don't buy it. But nonetheless, the process by
which they got here, to me, is is the big
story and why we're so hung up on the Cowboys
kind of losing this trades and they just they just
went about this in just the silliest way possible. And
(19:16):
when you already looked at as a as a franchise
that is questionable with decision making and how you're run
doing it this way makes you look up like a
buffoon even more. Yeah, and makes it look like you
don't know what you're doing. And the last thing here too, Brian,
that I think it's so interesting is you know the
Cowboys doc, right, it's been It's great. You should everyone
should watch it. Do you know what the number one
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thing I noticed about why they won a lot of games?
And they had the best roster they had obviously Troy
Coman right, the best running back EMMTT Smith, one of
the best way outs of Michael Irvin, the best offensive
line Dion Sanders, Charles Haley, had all the best players.
So for Jerry essentially to like to protect and like,
(20:01):
you don't need a guy like Parsons to win, to me,
is like even one of the dumber things here right right, Yeah, no,
you got him to win?
Speaker 2 (20:08):
You need that, Yeah, absolutely, you do, all right? That
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so Arch Manning not a great performance against Ohio State.
Actually a dud performance. Did not play well at all.
Now this was Arch after the game, his comments, what
he had to say. Check it out.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Yeah, it didn't start fast enough. It took a whole
half for us to kind of even get the ball
down the field.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So that starts with me.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Get back to square one and then get back Monday
and you go prepare for Santasee State. Yeah, ultimately not
good enough. Obviously you don't want to start off season
zero to one. They're a good team. But I thought
we beat ourselves a lot, and that starts with me,
and I got to play better for us to win.
Can't wait till the second half to kind of get
things going.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Man.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I actually I got to add that to the mix, Jeff,
I've got it. Starts with me mix. It's very popular
phrase in sports. Now I'll have to try to dig
that up for you. I even put it to music.
It's tremendous. It might be a hit song one of
these days. But Arch Manning will be added to the
mix there. But we get it right, he didn't play well.
What would you say is the most sensible take when
(22:51):
it comes to Arch Manning right now? Because there are
some wild takes being floated out there. There are some
people who are like, this guy sucks. I knew it.
It was all hot here, Like, what do you think
I think is the most sensible opinion right now regarding Arch?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Well, I know that part of our job is to
say things that are inflammatory, right. We want to get
the word out, to listen to our program and say
things that let people know that we have our hot takes.
And the most sensible take is very clearly that he
(23:27):
with the way that Texas has built that for new
offensive linemen, some new skill guys, some portal guys, some
good players, but this was a very tough spot for
Arch to be in. And I think the part that
is disappointing is when you're a player like Arch, who's
supposed to be the player Arch is supposed to be,
(23:48):
is that you would like to see him elevate those
around him. I don't think we saw that very much
on on Saturday, And is others to point out, not
just me, others who you know, film study guys, and
one I is it felt like they really did didn't
trust him early in the game to be that quarterback.
And if you're if you're going to you know, to
(24:10):
to think he is the guy, you got to put
more offense in his hands. And it felt like Texas
was did not think he was a guy early in
that game. I think we saw that a little bit
with your Dame last night and they were like, oh,
like it's we got cars, got it like we got
to give a little more to do like to with
this game. And they did, and you live or die
by that absolutely, but I thought Texas just should have
(24:32):
been a little a little a little more offensive oriented
toward Arch early in the game. And when they finally
sort of did, it opened up a little bit. But
that that concerns me about why why were they not
so arch dominant to start? What was Sark worried about
was he worried the offensive line, and it's certainly there.
The offensive took four new starters on the road at
Ohio State, very talented starters, by the way, very starts
(24:53):
recruited great, right, they're great players haven't played a lot,
So maybe he was scared about them and in general
and in that moment, So the game plan was a
little bit muted for that reason. But to me, that's
the thing is like Archs, I bet Texas just kicks
butt against I can't say. I don't know if I can,
I can I say on this, I don't know if
(25:13):
I could say. I don't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Yeah, yeah, but you can say.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Asked me. You can't say the S word. I never
I don't understand that. I just don't get I don't
I don't get the rules here. I just say, I
just don't say anything, Okay, just keep it respectful. I
don't know. I just do so much satellite radios wherever
you want, satelite radio. So nonetheless, I think they probably
Whipple have state this weekend. Sounds they state this weekend,
and we sort of wait to see arch against Georgia
(25:39):
is the next moment, right is it? Do they give
him more offense? They trust him a little bit more?
Does he? You know? Is he sort of settled down
a little bit as a quarterback? Look, a lot of
pressure of this off seas a lot of eyeballs to him.
To me, that that's the most sensible take he's not
a bus yet, we don't know what he's gonna be.
And then just go back to the idea again of
what I started the show with Brian, is that experience
(26:01):
does matter in the sport. Okay, now to what degree
we can argue about what that is. But Archers does
not play a lot of football, and open up at
Ohio State is a very difficult task.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's it, right, Like quite simply to me, the most
sensible take of arch Manning right now is bad game
doesn't automatically equal bad quarterback. Correct, he played badly. He
had a bad game. We're not gonna make excuses for it.
But that doesn't mean he's bad going forward or that's
he'll all he'll ever be. Because that's what a lot
(26:34):
of people are making it sound right now, like they're like, oh,
I knew this guy was just all hype, no substance.
I mean, look at the teams he was facing. There's
some of the teams he was facing in high school
not the best competition.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
That, by the way, is so dumb. I've seen that,
like the he played, but okay, I I played. I
played like one guy who went to college in three years.
What is it who try, right, Yeah, that matter.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, but that to me is what it boils down to,
is like I wouldn't sell every share of Arch Manning stock.
There's a reason why he was the best recruit in
his class, the top one and number one recruit. There's
a reason why he's projected to maybe be a number
one overall draft pick. The guy is talented, he just
doesn't have a ton of experience. He's got more talent
(27:22):
than experience in college. So when that starts to even
out and he gets more experience, you might see a
much better version of Arch Manning. So correct, that's it, right,
I wouldn't throw everything out with one bad performance.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
The thing that I found so interested in previewing this
season is to see, like which quarterbacks people were most
excited to watch this season and why people seem to
be excited for their success, and the arch is one
of them, obviously, Julian saying, you know, how's this quarterback?
And cars So he's Bryce's young guys, and then like
(27:56):
we just like sort of forgot the other guys the
excitement for to watch Iowa's quarterback, Like I don't really
understand that this is. It's like it's interesting, like how
what we cared about this season. Big names always sell.
Big names are the ones that we we we focus
on a lot. To me, we don't give enough to
(28:16):
the idea of the experience matters and all those things
sort of play the factor your Oklahoma John Matier played
really like Seller's experience got played better second half of
that game. I was a little surprised that a club
Nick and Nutsmeyer struggles a little bit, but they those
are tough defenses they played. But a lot of you know,
these presets and narratives like that, we can coct it,
man like all just blew up in our faces immediately.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Of course, I just give it a little bit of time.
By the way, it starts with me. Some of the
biggest names in the NFL loved this. Tom Brady was
using it when he was still playing. Starts with me, right, Okay,
you got you got to go use it. How about
Josh Allen Bill's quarterback.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Starts with me?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
All right, we got Big Ben when he was still active.
Jeff It starts with me. We got a head coach,
we got Sean McVay. He was even using this phrase.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Starts with me.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Got to do a better job.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
We've all got to do better.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
That's the best way to call out everybody else. It
starts with me. I mean, we sucked. It starts with me.
We couldn't protect It does start with me, right, It's
a good way to take accountability and maybe throw some
other people under the bus as well.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But especially if you go from it starts with me,
but also everyone else.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Right, right, it's the new butt. Right, it's the you
say something nice, like, you know, Jeff's great to work with,
but and then it's it's way downhill from there, you
know what I mean? Like it starts with me, is
the new butt.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
It is so funny. This starts with me. I never
thought about like that, but it definitely is right, no disrespect.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That's right, oh man?
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Yeah right.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
We do have a mix, you know, to really make
this hit home. Here you go, you know the old
shaggy hit. Yeah, it wasn't me.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It wasn't me.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
We switched it to It starts with me. Here, try
this out. It starts with me, starts with me, starts
with me, starts with me. There you go, it's gonna
be in your head all day.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Do you remember you put that together? I hope you
made that.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, we put that together. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They don't pay you guys enough around here.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I know it. I know. Look at that production right there.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Yeah, it's Veto.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Veto's giving me a standing ovation right now. He's our
sound guy. Does a tremendous job here at Fox Sports Radios. No,
you got a real talent man.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How's is Oriol with you this morning?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I told her last night, Jeff, I whispered to her
as she was leaving. I'm like, all right, I got
a fill in show. It starts at three am, so
you're welcome. She didn't understand. I don't think you know.
But she was hanging out for the Notre Dame game.
She was awesome. She it's her weekend routine, jeff our
weekend show. It starts at six am, right like Saturday Sunday.
It'll switch to seven am West Coast time this Sunday,
(30:55):
but she'll show up five minutes before the show on
the note and she just hang out all day. She'll
hang out for the show. I love this. It's a
neighborhood cat. For those people who are like, what is
he talkings? The neighborhood cat who comes over and visits
all the time. I love this cat. She's awesome.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thet we're back to ten. We're back to ten o'clock
on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. We move it an
hour forward right to kickoff.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
We I'm curious. So everyone listening, I'm sure has like
conference calls, right, and we had a conference call as
we get ready for our fourth season. Now can't to kickoff?
It's a lot of fun. And I was like, not
the bad guy, but I had all these things to say,
like all these suggestions and whatnot. Everyone just was quiet
the entire time. No one, no one, no one had
anything else to say, And I felt like the bad guy.
Brian guy, he was like, yeah, hey, can we do this?
(31:40):
Can we do that? We can we change this?
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Like yeah, They're like, what kind of what gripes do
you have with the bet mgmp here's schwartz? Oh man, well,
I don't know about these in game lines, and what's
up with then? Why don't we have this?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Just and no and Brian at this and Brian by
the way, we talk about like we have the same
we sort of have the same things we don't like
and no one spoke up. No one's anything about it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
You know it seems like I left you hanging. I
totally forgot about the team totals. I love betting team totals,
whether it's college football, NFL, in game W n B A,
and a lot of times they're not available. It's just
select games now, So I don't like that. But I didn't.
I swear I didn't think of it.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
At Crack said nothing for the guy who gambles for
a living, had no no complaints about anything whatsoever. I'm
just out here like and and and and I got
the circle back, like I all suckle back with you
in that one. Uh. And it was just it was
just hang just everyone hanging me out to dry Man.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's a yeah. Sometimes I hate being that guy in
the calls. But I was like, I got things I
gotta say. We do this once a year. We do
this one one year. Jared said nothing, Rich said nothing.
Like nobody Richard. I think rich is actually on the radio,
but like no one, no one say anything, Boston say anything.
Just just Jeff Schwartz completely, just every two minutes griping
(33:01):
about something.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, just you're like, sorry, I thought we were in
the trust tree. You asked what could be better. I'm
telling you what could be better. Yeah, that's funny, all right.
Coming up next, I've got speaking of gripes, I've got
one thing that is a gripe that has been corrected. Okay,
and then also a major shout out. We'll provide both
(33:24):
of those things coming up. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian.
Now we're in for Two Pros and a Cup of
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posted right after the end of the show. Shaggy was great. No,
no, no matter. Shaggy was fantastic. He had like he's kind
of like a Terrell Davis run.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Terrell Davis was four years in the NFL and then
had the knee injury and that was it. That's kind
of like Shaggy and music. Don't you think like he was.
He was there for a couple of songs, they had
a little stint, and then he was just gone, vanished, poof.
I don't know if he tore his A cl two
or not, Jeff, But uh, I never I.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Never thought of it like that before. But I think
you're I think you're right.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Yeah, yeah, uh. I've got a small gripe that was corrected. Okay, Okay,
this is not a huge story, but I just we
had the it starts with me dropped from Tom Breethy,
and it made me think of So the NFL has
relaxed the quote unquote Brady rules. Okay, so he's the
(35:04):
minority owner with the Raiders, right, he's a minority owner,
and so he can now attend production meetings for his
TV role. That is something that has been relaxed because
that was a that was a I don't know. That
was a no no. When Brady became a minority owner,
the NFL is like, Okay, other NFL owners, you're not
(35:25):
gonna have this Brady guy in these TV meetings, all right.
He's not gonna be able to get inside information left
and right. They've relaxed that as they should, like, they're
not gonna unveil some deep, deep dark secrets about these
like these, the other teams know that he's a minority owner.
They're not gonna share anything that puts them in harm's way.
(35:47):
These are TV meetings. They aren't diving crazy deep. He's
not gonna know I don't know. He's gonna meet with mahomes.
He's gonna know all the checks, all the audibles, all
it's not gonna work like this is the dumbest thing
from the go. I'm glad that they've relaxed this.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
You're one hundred percent correct on how dumb this was
to start with. This is like, this is so ridiculous.
Those production meetings you just learned about the teams was
by the way he learned about anyways, he would learned
from from his partner, or he would just tell him
what happened in the meetings, the idea that he couldn't
be in the meetings for some reason because he's getting
an unfair advantage. To me, like, let's be real, okay,
(36:24):
let's be real about what's happening in these meetings. Also,
minority owner, like he yeah, they claim he's part of fregency.
I guess I don't know, probably maybe not. Like how
much is he actually doing day to day? Wait? Wait,
hit the Raiders?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Yeah, not a ton.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
So it never made sense to me, never made sense
why this was a thing. You know, is it because
you you just want to be hard on Brady or
want to be I don't understand the point of any
of this. It made no sense in this specific instance,
and I'm really really glad they got rid of it
because it was.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Stupid me too. This was remember leading up to the
Super Bowl, Brady had to sit down interview with Mahomes.
People made a big deal out of that at the time.
They're like, Oh, what's up with this. He's a minority owner.
What is Mahomes gonna say in an interview?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Where Brady's gonna go back to the Raiders and be like,
oh the information I got, man, we are just let
me share this with you. We are in a much
better position now after this sit down interview talking about
the Super Bowl with Mahomes. This was so dumb. I'm
just glad that it's no longer continuing to be dumb
(37:36):
and they've relaxed it. It's just it's silly.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
It's one of those things where like you think about
it and you're like, in the end, you're like, oh,
that's kind of it's kind of dumb. We did that.
You're like, this is kind of stupid. Ye, why do
we have this is a rule? Once you realize that
it probably you feel a little better about it.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Absolutely. By the way, major shout out to Lee Corso.
He had his final appearance on college game day. How
about this, jeff you'd love this as a sports better
six and oh on his picks. Yeah, so the odds
if you parlayed everything about eighty seven to one. He
had a couple of He had Florida State winning outright
(38:18):
over Alabama. They were a two touchdown dog. He had
LSU beating Clemson on the road. He had Miami winning
last night as you did too, Jeffy against my Irish
ye had all those like these aren't just the typical
college game day. I'm gonna take the three touchdown favorite
to win outright, Like these were some legit picks, by course,
(38:38):
so you get an eighty seven to one parlay to
cash if you go six and oh with his that's outstanding.
So rode off into the sunset and style there.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, I had. I had Miami last night to finish
out the the leg the last of my picks for
the weekend. Look courso, man, no one will ever be
like him again. What he has done for this sport
is maybe a measurable right like he has done such
and given such a positive you know, uh, love to
(39:09):
the sport, a light to the sport. Everyone who talks
about him talks about him the same way, right, like
such reverence and and that's what I love to be
talked about. One day from people that I worked with
or spent a lot of time with. And uh, it
was great minus a million. He put on that brutus
hat to end the day and he did that's right, yeah,
good good for him, and and it with a bang. Yeah,
(39:30):
it's it's time for him to be done, you know. Yeah,
all things come to at some point. And uh, I
thought it was even cool that Fox.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
You know, they're that was awesome.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
They cut into their program and showed to show Courso
make the pick at the.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
End, and that was the thing. The report was, it's
not gonna be ESPN's feed, it's just gonna be the
jumbo tron that they're gonna show it. No, it was
ESPN's feed. Man, it was exactly. I thought that was awesome.
That was a really good tribute. Yeah, and you're right
by the way, he's kind of like Charles Barkley is
irreplaceable with the NBA coverage, you know, used to be
(40:07):
with TNT. They'll be on ESPN now, But the same
sort of vibe. The Corso was just such a great fit.
There's not gonna be another Corso someone that would do
the same thing with the head gear. You're like, bro,
that's the Courso. You can't do that, Like that's already
been taken, you know. Tremendous job and just made it fun.
(40:27):
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