November 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Brian Noe & Jason Martin fill in for the guys as they talk about the Egg Bowl rivalry between OIe Miss and Miss State, but the focus is on Lane Kiffin and just where he could go if he were to leave Ole Miss, the Darnold & Jones comp, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Radio live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. He is Brian,
Now I'm Jason Martin in for the two Pros and
the Cup of Joe. And that's a last, but not
least situation when it comes to our friend Jonas Knox,
Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey Day to all of you and yours.
I hope you can make your morning a little better,
whether or not you're cooking or traveling or whatever it
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might be. Before all three of these just exceptional NFL
games kick off a little bit later on this morning.
But Brian, there's a game coming up tomorrow that's pretty important.
Of many right, there's an NFL game tomorrow too that's
pretty interesting. And then there's some really good college football
on Friday. I don't know if you've looked at the slate,
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but there's stuff to watch all day long tomorrow that's
gonna be incredibly relevant to the college football playoff and
of course just rivalries and everything else. It's gonna be
a lot of fun. But the one I'm talking about
isn't one that I think is gonna be particularly close,
but it has a lot of impact beyond that, and
that is the egg ball between Ole Miss and Mississippi State.
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I don't know if you can be a sports fan
at this point in time and not have an opinion
on the Lane Kiffins situation at ole Miss, how it's
played out, the calendar, becoming the giant villain of all
of this, at least on one half of the narrative,
whether it's gonna be LSU, whether it's gonna be Florida,
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whether he's gonna stay put at ole Miss, everybody's weight in.
We had what steven A and Paul Finbaum going at
it earlier this week on TV to where I think
steven A called Paul Finebaum a hypocrite by because Paul
leveled critique at Lane Kiffin for how this is played out,
and stephen A said, didn't you say I love ESPN,
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but I would go be a senator, which I found
really interesting. But I also find it to be a
horrible example. I think he like overthought it, like these
two things are not remotely the same, Like when you
look at what Lane Kiffen could walk away from, let's
just say it here and then I just kind of
want your opinion to start it off, is we've never
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seen anything like this before, where you have a one
loss Ole Miss team, probably the best season maybe in
their history, going into this rivalry game where they can
win it, where they're gonna go to the College Football Playoff,
and where they're good enough to potentially win the entire thing,
and their coach may take another job in the same
conference leave because they're not gonna let him coach in
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the playoff. It will affect their seating, it'll affect everything
about that, it could derail the entire season. And yet
it's still something that could happen. And I think there's
a lot of coaches where you'd say there's no chance,
but this guy, because of the history of Lane Kiffin
and how he has conducted himself professionally in terms of
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his jobs, you can't. You could never rule out the
fact that he could walk away, even at eleven and one,
which is exactly what he might be about to do.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's a crazy situation where if Lane is leaving, he
can't coach in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Man like the right because the transfer.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Window, right, so you need the next coach to come
in there, and the transfer window is between January second
and January sixteenth, So that's smack dab in the middle
of the playoff, which is just so stupid to me. Like,
you gotta ask yourself, is college football, what would the
NFL do? Would the NFL open free agency smack dab
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in the middle of the playoffs? No, they wouldn't be dumb,
They would not do that. There's gotta be a better
way to do this where you're not opening the transfer
portal during the playoff.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's just dumb. It makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You don't want your playoff to be upstaged yourself, like
the college football playoff can be upstaged in ways by
the college football transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But with the dates being what they are, so you
think about the first round, it starts December nineteenth and twentieth.
The quarterfinals are December thirty first and January first, So
in theory, you could have Lane stick around and maybe
you win the first playoff game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
If you win the.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Quarterfinals, then what what do you You gotta have your
next head coach in place. You got the transfer portal
window opening up. You can't have Lane coaching the team
in the college football playoff as you're like now in
the final four basically, meanwhile, do you what do you
do with the portal? You have no head coach, you
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have no system in place. He can't be around for
the playoff. If he decides to go to LSU or
somewhere else, you can't have him as the old misshead
coach come time.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's the situation we're in right here.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, that's right. I mean, look, if I'm LSU and
I'm gonna pay him ninety to ninety eight mil, whatever
the number turns out to be, and give him the
twenty five million annual roster cash as the offer has
been reported, I'm not paying him for a season that's
going to be a waste, Like I'm not giving him
a dummy season like that money that I'm paying him
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actually has to go into trying to field a team
next year that can win a championship, not two years
from now. Especially in NIL and everything else, you can
turn that around relatively quickly. So I understand it from
their perspective, and you can understand from Lane's perspective because
he's kind of caught. He obviously had plays all the cards.
I don't see him as a victim here. He's a
victim of his own success if you want to say that.
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But he could shut this down at any point. My
question would be this, And I said this last week
to Aaron Torres on our show on Saturday night. I
said that as soon as I saw that they were
going to have the announcement about Lane Kiffn's future at
ole Miss the day after uh the Egg Bowl, I said, Oh,
he's staying for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought,
that's insane, and I feel like I got caught in. Like, okay,
I got caught in. I got caught in pro wrestling
booker mode, which is something I did for a while,
So maybe that's how I looked at it. I said,
if I wanted to create a hero, if I wanted
to create an iconic moment, the thing that I would
do is turn it into the greatest week in ole
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Miss football history where they go beat their rival to
end the season with one loss, where they have all
sorts of momentum potentially going into a college football playoff.
And then the next day the question gets answered and
Lane Kiffin says, you know what, it's it's really really
nice to be wanted, and LSU and Florida and all
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these other opportunities. I'm so flattered by all of this.
But my family loves Oxford and we want to we
want to finish our business here. It's not even that
there's unfinished business and then we can leave. It's just
no like, this place has been good to us, gave
us a chance. We want to win a championship right here.
If he does that, they build a statue for him
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outside the stadium and he becomes one of the greatest heroes,
maybe the biggest figure in almost football history, or certainly
one of them, and he can write his ticket forever.
Like I'm looking at it from a storybook perspective, but
the realistic perspective is when you listen to Keith Carter,
the athletic director, talk about it and say, look, we
don't want our kids to be distracted this week going
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into this rivalry game, and we want them to feel
like they have the full support of the university behind
them as they prepare for this game. That sounds like
a eulogy. That sounds like we've got to make sure
that they have there, that they have their rescue animals,
that they have what they need, their comfort animals, their
comfort squirrel or whatever it is on the airplane to
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be able to get through what's going to be a
really traumatic time period. So I have flipped on it
in my own head, but I'm sticking by my guns. Yeah,
I'm gonna turn out to be a fool, probably, and
I'm well aware of that. And here's the other thing.
Maybe there's a part of me. It's just like I'm
rooting for him to stay because I think that's the
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right decision. And I'll lay that out for you here
in a minute. But I want to see Lane Kiffin
stay at Old Miss and build something.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
There, yeah, because it could be his place.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yes, Like it's not well, he's at LSU and now
he's the next head coach with O and Sabin and
right like now he's won a championship along with these
other guys. Yeah, he could have his own thing at
Ole Miss. I think he's absolutely gone, man, I think
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he's going to LSU. As my guest, I've heard some
people say I think he's going to Florida.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think it's LSU.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But if he were staying at Old Miss, he would
just come right out and be like, guys, I'm not
going anywhere I'm focused on the egg Ball. I'm focused
on the college football playoff. We've worked for years to
be in this spot, and this moment is all I'm
about right here, So please stop connecting the dots.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I listened.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I decided I'm staying here at Ole Miss. It wouldn't
be hey, after the egg Bowl, we've got this mystery announcement.
Like unless this is straight from WWE, and you know, look,
that's where I'm coming from. It's the face turn. Right,
normally it's a heel turn. It's a face turn. You
think he's gone. He's like psych I'm staying baby like, Yeah, yeah,
I just don't think that's happening. But I like the thought.
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I just don't think you would approach it that way.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
If that's no, Look, you're.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Probably well, like I said, I'm probably looking at it
from a completely ridiculous perspective. I admit that wholeheartedly. Like
what you're saying is probably right. You're probably smart. I'm
probably not. That's just and probably may have left the building.
I just I look at this and I and I
do see it from this perspective. Also, and I've heard
this set by some people. I respect it. In the industry.
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Lane is different than a lot of other people.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
He absolutely he is.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He does things a lot now there have been you know,
he's talked about getting sober and maturing a lot at
Old Miss and his family loving it there, and look,
it's a great town. And in this era he's closer
to a national championship by far than LSU or Florida
either one. At this point I also say this, Let's
say Lane Kiffen is this coach for the next twenty
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five years at Old Miss, where he's right there on
the doorstep, but he didn't quite get there. He's Mark
feu E. Gonzaga or maybe Signetti and Indiana never quite
get there, but they're right there. Yeah, year after year
after year, he's still going to go down as a
legend there. Like you think about your quality of life
there compared to what happens to you in LSU. When
you win a championship, you get fired a few years later.
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That's right, happen to Less Miles, happened to edwar Jaran,
It likely would have happened to Brian Kelly, but he
wasn't good enough any to win that. And now they're
gonna pay him out his fifty four million dollars, which
we could talk about the end of the hour. But like,
Lane Kiffen is in a perfect place where, yeah, the
expectations are growing, but they're only growing based on what
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he's done. Like, I don't know that it's ever going
to feel like a failure for Lane Kiffen in that situation.
And then to your point, and this to me is
the key example and the key argument. You just go
become the next guy to win a championship at Florida.
You just go to become the next guy to win
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a championship at LSU. Neither one of them that far
removed from having done just that, particularly LSU Ole Miss.
You become the guy who won at ole Miss in
that conference. You become kind of the face for what
new college football can look like. Where you're in a
place where, yeah, they felt like spending money because you
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have to in this day and age. They gave him
every advantage, they gave him everything that he's asked for there,
and he turned that into a national champion. That like,
that's a perfect scenario. It's perfect for Yes, it's perfect
for a WWE storyline, but it's just like I feel
like you get to the end of your life. If
you're laying kid and you say, man, I'm glad that
I stated Old Miss because the championship or ships that
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I let's say, we're living in hypotheticals now, but at
which we talked about in the first hour not being
a smart thing. But in this case, if he wins
a championship there, or wins multiple championships at Old Miss,
I just feel like there's more there, Like it means
more that he did it there than he just became
the next guy that had the built in historical generational
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advantages of a Florida or LSU and took that to
the promised Land.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It'd be like you could use many examples, whether it's
the NFL might make a lot of sense where if you,
let's say Drake May wins the Super Bowl in the
next couple of years with the Patriots, that matters a lot,
but they've won a lot of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You know what I mean. If you win a Super
Bowl with I don't know, say like the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now, it's like, oh my gosh, this guy's walking on
water here, the quarterback. You know, it's just different. And
so yeah, there's something to be said about that with Lane.
If he's able to win it all, and that's the
key at Ole miss, of course it's going to mean
more because you haven't had that type of success that
you've had at Florida. In LSU, he wears the visor
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as a shout out to Steve Spurrier, like Steve Spurrier
is his guy. But it's like, if you go to Florida,
you're not the old ball coach, You're not the OBC.
You're just like you're Lane. You know, OBC is the legend.
You know, he's the guy who walks on water. In
terms of like the Gator Nation fan base, it's not
gonna be Lane. They would love him if he's able
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to win big, make no mistake, they would love him.
They'd love him in LSU also, But he's not the
guy that brought them to prominence. He would just be, like,
best case scenario, the guy that brought them back to prominence.
That's not the same thing as leading someone who's never
been there to prominence. But the other thing, I'm still
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hung up on this transfer window thing, man, where.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It's a shame.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Let's say Lane he takes the job at LSU, that's
not a crime, right, Like many coaches have gone from
one school to the next. He has won enough games
to be in the College Football Playoff and he should
be able to coach his team in the college football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But the transfer.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Window being where it is, and it's the only window
all year long.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Now, if you don't take.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Advantage of this window between January two to the sixteenth,
you are screwed.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You are left out in.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
The cold in the wilderness with no jacket on and
no talent on your roster, and you're gonna suck. And
it's a horrible spot to be in going forward. Ole
Miss can't set themselves up for failure going forward. So
if Lane Kiffin takes another gig and is like, what
do you mean I can't coach the playoff like we
fought and scratched to get here, like when it al Paje,
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We claw with our fingernails for those inches, Yes, and
now you can't even have them there because the transfer
went How dumb is college football to put this thing
where it is. That should never be the case where
a coach really can't move on because he can't be
with his original team in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It shouldn't be like that. Man, that's just a bad setup.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I mean, he's gonna look like Benedict Arnold, like if
he walks out on them, even after what he's done
for them, which I know is like it's it's a
really tough spot, yeah, for him to be in, and
he has to I know, he has to think about
it this way too and say, look, is my name
ever gonna be hotter than this again? Is old Miss?
Are we gonna be in this position again to where
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we're gonna have pretty much every job in the country
that's open wants me. Do I ever get another opportunity
to take Elisu or Florida? Do I have to do
it now or never? And in my opinion maybe not.
But even like, is it so bad to be the
old Miss coach for the next thirty years? I don't
think so, not in this day and age. So I'm
still hoping against hope, and maybe that's why I'm gonna
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look like a fool on Saturday. You can tune in
Saturday Night with me and Aaron Torres and maybe I'll
just have my foot already in my mouth by that
point in time, trying to remove it somehow. At that point,
So we don't know whether or not Lane Kiffin is
going to stick at Old miss for he's gonna go elsewhere.
When we come back, we're gonna talk about two quarterbacks
that have already gone elsewhere, both from the same team,
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and now they've they've got a rookie at quarterback where
things haven't been going particularly well, and I'm gonna ask
you how you feel about both of those teams going forward.
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Speaker 4 (18:57):
We do a little review from today's games tomorrow in
a little preview of all that stuff. Like, man, that
Friday and Saturday Slate college football is really good, and
then all the weekend stuff with the NFL. We got
a lot to do tomorrow looking for them.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Indeed, And look, man, the NBA's got different colored courts
right now. That's right. I'm still just not in basketball mode. Like.
The only thing that I note again is just like, yeah,
the Celtics were playing on a green court last night
and had a good finish.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, I know that was a close game. That Pistons
had been red hot. Kate Cunningham, I needed him. I
actually was in game on the Pistons to win that thing,
so that that screwed me up there. But Kate hit
the first two free throws then missed the third and
that was curtains for them.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Didn't work out. But good game, very good.
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So I mentioned this in hour one and maybe I
can set it up with kind of the teas from
before the break, and that is that the Minnesota Vikings
are still out here. Well he may not be playing
this week, but JJ McCarthy is their quarterback. Guys that
are not their quarterback include Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones.
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I have been thinking over the past few days, what
have I just been flat out dead wrong about so
far in the National Football League this year? And there's
still time to be proven right about this. But coming
into the season, there's always predictions, there's always things that
you think are gonna happen and you're not going to
bat a thousand. But how many of these have been
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so wrong that you would be fired for that? Take?
Like if that was let's say that was your projection
in the business meeting and this was your plan and
the plan failed so spectacularly that they handed you a
box and said get out of here, Like, how wrong
could you have been? And I think that maybe two
teams that a lot of people were wrong about entering
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the season would be the Seahawks and the Colts, where
you've got Sam Darnold and what he's done in Seattle
so far, and Daniel Jones and what he's done in Indianapolis. Now,
I'll let you take this where you will, but just
a jump off question here is right now, do you
feel better about the Seahawks or the Colts in terms
of the quarterback and what you can see them doing
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in the postseason?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Wow, I'm not a big Darnald guy, like our producer
Patty Sweeka, who again does the worst Colin Cowhard impression
in the history of impressions that you will hear in
the next hour, and just be prepared, Okay, just be
ready for I'm not a huge Darnald guy. The guy
just wets himself in big moments.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We saw it. What just a couple of weeks ago
against the Rams.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
They had a last second kick to win the game,
and he threw four picks, Like that's that's how good
their team is, that's how good their defense is. They
still had a chance to win that thing, and he's
just handed away interceptions like he's Oprah, you know, just
you know, another one like DJ khaled.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I just I'm not a big donald guy.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
He's put up pretty good numbers, but I just can't
trust him the way the season ended last year against
the Vikings, I'm sorry, against the Lions when they had
the one seed on the line, and then against the
Rams in the playoffs, Like he's just a deer in
headlights sometimes where it's like Sam, throw the freaking ball, dude,
he's just standing there like where's the internal clock. Man,
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They're gonna they're gonna clock you if you don't get
rid of the ball. And you just saw that creep
back up against the Rams. So I just can't trust
Donald and uh, you know you can't trust Daniel Jones either.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He put me in a rough spot.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I would if I if push came to shove man,
I would bite my upper lip and just grin and
bearrett with Donald because he's got Jackson Smith and Jigba.
He's got a top flight weapon. He is an absolute
stud And I just would cross my fingers that Sam
would get rid of the football on time and then
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hopefully throw accurate passes and not to the other team
and not screw the Seahawks. If that's who I'm rooting for.
But if I had to choose, it would be Donald
over Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's what I'm talking about. Well, I mean, the Coles
have Jonathan Taylor. They do, but since you mentioned Jackson
Smith and Jigbie, I know it's a different position and
all that, but they both have they both have a
little bit of firepower around them. What I find interesting
about the Donald conversation specifically is, oh, look, Minnesota didn't
know what they were doing. They got arrogant, they thought
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all was just like. They didn't let Sam Darnld go
like based on the fact that he had a good
regular season last year, like the thing that did not
make sense to me about that argument in favor of Darnald.
The reason they let him go is because they saw
what he did at the end. It wasn't about what
he did in weeks one to fifteen, right or whatever
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like that. It's how the season ended with the Rams
last year. It was that they weren't sure he was
the guy that could win when it mattered. He's not
been it. He wasn't a guy for them that showed
that he couldn't win a lot of games and do
a lot of things. But that's not the goal, Like,
that's not the plan, especially when I do think you
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probably over I wouldn't say overrate, but you definitely give
a lot of credence to the fact that if you're
in Minnesota, you say, well, we've got Jordan Edison, and
we've got TJ. Hawkinson, and we've got Aaron Jones and
oh yeah, we've also got Justin Jefferson, Like they've got
a ton of talent. Did they maybe look at it
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and say it's the talent that's making the quarterback more
than the quarterback making the talent. In that case, you
let a Darnald go rather than paying him too much money,
and you say, well, look, we took JJ McCarthy for
a reason. Let's see if our talent can raise his
level of play. And sometimes that doesn't work out, and
in the short term it hasn't looked like a particularly
good decision. But I'm with you, like, I actually really
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do like Sam Darnald, and I was huge on him
coming out of USC, But there's nothing that he's done
in his career that tells me that he's a guy
that is going to get the job done in late
December and early January. And then, of course, the same
thing is true with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
It's look, just because JJ McCarthy looks nothing like the
guy doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Sam Darnald
is the.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Guy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Like, that's just that that doesn't add up, because you're
hearing a lot of that, Like, man, what were the
Vikings thinking letting go of Sam Darnald And it's like,
wait a minute, wait a minute, Like they were thinking
Sam Donald's good, not great, and we're not gonna pay
him huge money because he's not worth it, and they're right,
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what Donald is. So just because JJ McCarthy is off
to a historically rotten start. It doesn't mean that they
blew it by getting rid of Sam Darnald.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It'd be like jobs or dating.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Let's say you date this girl, Lisa, all right, fictitious girl.
She's good, she's cool. I mean, you're having a lot
of fun together, good times. But man, it's just you know,
there's something left to be desired and it's not going
to result in marriage, and that's what you really want.
So you stop dating her and you date this other girl, Jessica,
(26:36):
and Jessica is a freaking train wreck, you know what
I mean. And it's like then you think back to
your first relationship, you're like, man, it wasn't half bad.
Like that's what's happening with Sam Darnald now, Like it
left something to be desired. You didn't want to get
hitched to Donald because he's a deer in headlights and
wets himself in big situations time and time again, and
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so you moved on. And now it's a train wreck
with JJ McCarthy. You get all these fans saying, man,
they shouldn't have let Donald go. It's like no, man,
like they had more than enough reason to let him go.
Just who they let him go for looks really bad
right now. But I don't think you should be longing
for Donald. You should just be longing for an actual,
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really good quarterback that you seemingly do not have at
this time.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and we haven't said much about Daniel Jones here,
but I mean you heard say kwarm bark, we say, look,
I always said he was a great player, and of
course they're really good friends. And I think Daniel Jones
has definitely exceeded the expectations this year in Indianapolis. But
I also look at both those teams and say, I
don't think that they have the quarterback of the next
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ten years there. When I see that they're looking to
try and keep Daniel Jones long term, I'm like baseball,
like why like slow slower role here, just a little
bit like there has to be a middle ground somewhere
in sports between terrible and exceptional, and a lot of
guys find themselves there. Like I know we live in
a business of extremes, but that doesn't work here here.
(28:07):
There are two pretty good players, better than serviceable players,
But I don't think either one of them is going
to win a Super Bowl for you or be a
part of a championship team. Like you can look at
Seattle and you make good points about their defense, and
certainly JSN is just on a completely different universe right now.
But do I really look at Seattle and say they
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can win it all. No, And honestly, I think that's
probably because of the quarterback. He's going to have to
prove that to me because I haven't seen it to
this point. But yeah, Like, it's very easy to nostalgically
look back at movies or things that at the time
you were like, yeah, it's all right, but then you
see the slop that comes out now and you say, Man,
(28:51):
Running Man in nineteen eighty four, what a great movie
that was. Forgetting that at the time, it was a
very like, yeah, it was decent, but we're not winning
Academy Awards here. So you can look back now, you
can look back on what was pretty good, even decent,
and you're seeing that kind of working in a new spot.
But you're also if you're paying close attention that RAMS
(29:15):
game a couple of weeks ago, you're like, oh, yeah,
I also remember that that's what I saw here too,
and that that kind of left us out That's the
reason there was a question at the end of the
season folks as to whether they were gonna bring Sam
Darnold back. It wasn't because he hadn't played well. It
was because had he played so well that they were
going to actually wager the future and say, yeah, he's
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the guy. And I think that would have been insane.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah right, Yeah. It's the thing, man, where look around
the league.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Now, you wouldn't have had to pay top dollar like
some of these guys. Look at two a tongue of
I looa with my Dolphins, right, look at Brock Purdy
with the Niners. A couple of examples, Kyler Murray. These teams, man,
they fall into this trap tie and time again where
they're like, hey, we at least have an average to
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good quarterback somewhere in that range, and we're just gonna
pay him huge money.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's like, why would you do that? He's not worth it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And when you have to cut corners with the quality
of the roster because you're paying your quarterback so much
money and he's not good enough to compensate for those
deficiencies on.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
The roster, you're screwed.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But these teams, time and time again, they're like, it's
better than not having anybody, like, at least we're winning
games and maybe we'll get hot at the right time,
and they just talk themselves into it. It's like, look
at the Dolphins now, man, when the roster has gotten
less talented than it was and two is not good
enough to compensate for it. This is the product you
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get when you know the Niners have these injuries and
when they've had to get rid of starters, multiple starters,
because they're starting to devote so much money to word
brock Purty's monster payday, you find out he's not good
enough to compensate for those deficiencies.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's not to say those guys stink. Tua led the
league in.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Passing yards one year, Like tu Us put up good
numbers at times, Parties put up good numbers at times.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
But if you're being honest with.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yourself, they're not worth top dollar. And that's Sam Donald too.
Sam Donald is not worth top dollar.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
The Seahawks aren't paying top dollar. That's the you know,
the thing in their favor. But the more that you
like are aligning yourself with Sam Donald, you just have
to understand that he's not going to compensate for some
of the shortcomings of the roster. That's that's just where
he is. It's not to say he stinks, it's just
you want him to be a super Bowl like bound quarterback,
(31:51):
a super Bowl caliber quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
If you're being honest, he's just not that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah. So just because you mentioned brock Per and we can,
we can do our dead wrong stuff. To end the hour,
But I host having this conversation with a couple of
people a few weeks ago, and I said to, you know,
watching what Mac Jones is done and just watching the
forty nine ers throughout the Kyle Shanahan era, it's insane
to pay a quarterback in San Francisco. It really is, like, yeah,
(32:17):
unless it's unless it is one of those guys, like
because Kyle Shanahan's system. Yeah, he's done this with CJ. Bethard,
He's done this with different guys where he can win games. Now,
are they the future?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But I feel like, like, well, brock Party's got to
get paid. Look at this man, he's got to be respected.
I mean, okay, but are they better with brock Party
than they were with Mac Jones. I think it's marginal
at best. It's certainly not it's certainly not worth the
money difference between those two guys. If Kyle Shanahan's your
genius and you've got you know, Christian McCaffery or whatever
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like that, pay your running back and then let your
coach be a genius and save money and a quarterback
position and just beef up everywhere else because at this
point all you do is move from Jimmy G to
Jimmy G to Jimmy G.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It's like, man, we had knockdown dragouts about this too
in the off season. Not you and I, but right right,
me and other hosts, right, and it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Who are you gonna get? Who are you gonna get
if it's not.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Brock Purty, And it's like, turns out it's Mac Jones,
who's doing chest as well, if not better, And he's
not thought of. It's like, oh man, you got Mac
Jones like that serious competition.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No, it's Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He fizzled out from a couple of places, New England, Jacksonville,
and it turns out he's really good in that system
with a better talent around him, you know, So it
makes a huge, huge, difference, and I just think it's
insanity to pay brock Purty that much money when you
just laid it out, the system means a whole lot,
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The town around the quarterback means a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I'm not saying that brock Purty is bad, just not special.
And that's the going rate. You have to pay quarterbacks
huge money as if they are special, and if they aren't,
you are going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's that is extremely well said. You
can never ever overpay an elite quarterback, that's right, but
you can ruin your franchise. That's by overpaying an average one.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Perfect Yeah, love it exactly right.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yes, And then we're seeing it all over the league
and eventually some bluffs are gonna get called and we'll
see what the how it ends up playing out. When
you come back out of the break, we are going
to look at some of the things we've been wrong
about so far in the NFL this year. But a reminder,
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Welcome back in Live Fox Sports Radio Studios. Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. Hope they are all enjoying
a wonderful Thanksgiving morning with their families. I hope you
are too. Brian No, along with me, I'm Jason Martin.
We're in for the guys the next couple of days.
All right, b what have we been wrong about in
the NFL this season? I'm gonna I'm gonna lead off
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because I just I got to get this off my chest.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I was very, very just not on the RAMS this year.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Oh wow, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, Matthew Stafford, I didn't like the health situation entering
the season. I thought he was gonna battle throughout the
year to be in the to be in the lineup. Yeah,
I wasn't sure he would play double digit games this year.
And he's maybe the MVP front runner in the league
right now. Right their offense has looked spectacular, the defense
(36:13):
has been very, very good, and they're young and hungry.
They might be the best team in the NFL right now,
and I did not have them. I don't think I'd
have to go back and look for sure, but I
don't think I even had them in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, It's it's one of those that you at least
have a leg to stand on of, like, well, this
is why I was saying that. And the the Stafford
back injury was a real thing in the offseason where
you know, Sean McVay would come out and be like, actually,
(36:48):
he's not going to be practicing against Air this week either,
and you're like, wait.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
What what's going on?
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So you're right, like, at least you can explain why
you were saying those things. It's not like you were
like I had the Browns winning a super Bowl and
man that was wrong as it turns out, you know
what I mean, Like you had an argument as to
why you went with that. Yeah, I'll say one of
mine was I was very strong on the Chiefs winning
(37:18):
their division again. It was my biggest bet of the offseason.
I bet a listener filling in for big Ben Maller. Yeah,
I have to pay the guy like three hundred bucks. Oh,
they're not gonna win the divisions. I was a crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Person when it came to that, as it turns out,
but they had won nine in a row.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I'm like, I'm not buying all of this just because
the Eagles beat him in the Super Bowl. They're like
figured out by the rest of the league, like what
are we doing here? And man, they're not in the
spot to win the division. So that looks to be
dead wrong by me.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. So, looking at just a couple of the teams
that are going to be playing here today on Thanksgiving,
I thought the Lion offense was going to be better
than it's been. Yeah, throughout this part of the season,
not that it's been like dreadful, but there has been
more of a noticeable drop off from the Ben Johnson
offense to what we've seen this year. They just don't
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look quite as terrifying now. I say that, but then
when Jamir Gibbs has a football in open space, he
is basically the terminator. But like just golf and the
passing offense, it just has not to me felt quite
as crisp and scary as always expecting. I'm not particularly
(38:37):
blown away or surprised by what I'm seeing in Green
Bay because I've never been a particularly big Jordan Love fan,
But looking at the Lions, my preseason Super Bowl pick
was Lions Ravens, and I'm looking at both those teams
and right now I can make an argument why neither
one of them looks the part. And I think it's
surprisingly enough it is. It's the Lions offense that just
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doesn't seem quite as dynamic.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah right, you know, I don't know that I was
necessarily wrong about this one. It's sort of incomplete. But
I was very strong on pushing back on the thought of, hey, uh,
Jaden Daniels maybe sophomore slump. Here happened to see J.
Stroud and I'm like, they're not even close. Like stylistically,
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they're so different. Jaden Daniels moves around quite a bit,
He's an athlete. C J Stroud a lot more stationary.
I just didn't think their games stylistically are very similar
at all.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Now, Jaden Daniels got hurt.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
He started six games and in those six games, eight touchdowns,
two interceptions. You know, it's not like his numbers were
in the toilet by any means. So I don't think
it was necessarily a sophomore slump. So maybe I wasn't
wrong about that, but certainly for the Commanders that was
that was a big time, you know, nose dive even
before the Jade and Daniels injury. So maybe more so
(40:02):
the team sophomore slump than the quarterback. But that was
one that was I guess semi wrong at the very least. Right.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, Yeah, So one that I would also mention here
is and was one we talked about in the last segment.
That's just I didn't think the Cults are gonna be
good at all. I mean, I mean, I wasn't really
buying into the Daniel Jones side, but like, I mean,
I like Pittman, and I like and Tyler Warren's been
better even than I thought he was going to be
coming out of college. He's been extraordinary this side end position.
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But Jonathan Taylor being healthy throughout the year. That's something
we haven't seen too often recently. But more than anything,
like Daniel Jones has been more than just a caretaker.
He's actually been pretty good. Like we'll see whether you
know when the slipper falls completely off, but he's not
been like there's no punchline in Indianapolis. That's just a
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pretty good football team that any given week can beat you.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
I think also, if we're being honest, everybody got this wrong.
Who had collectively the Chiefs and the Ravens both six
and five and the Bengals at three and eight? Like
no one had that. No one had that, you know,
that three piece combo right there? No way, And that's
where we are right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
We sure are and where we're going to be an
hour three, I would imagine, is a whole lot more ball,
some big games today, some big games tomorrow, big games
all weekend long. It is a cornicopia of food today
on your table, a corncopia of sports food all weekend
long for us. We'll come back our three or two
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Radio live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. He is Brian,
Now I'm Jason Martin in for the two Pros and
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Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey Day to all of you and yours.
I hope you can make your morning a little better,
whether or not you're cooking or traveling or whatever it
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might be. Before all three of these just exceptional NFL
games kick off a little bit later on this morning.
But Brian, there's a game coming up tomorrow that's pretty important.
Of many right, there's an NFL game tomorrow too that's
pretty interesting. And then there's some really good college football
on Friday. I don't know if you've looked at the slate,
(00:44):
but there's stuff to watch all day long tomorrow that's
gonna be incredibly relevant to the college football playoff and
of course just rivalries and everything else. It's gonna be
a lot of fun. But the one I'm talking about
isn't one that I think is gonna be particularly close,
but it has a lot of impact beyond that, and
that is the egg ball between Ole Miss and Mississippi State.
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I don't know if you can be a sports fan
at this point in time and not have an opinion
on the Lane Kiffins situation at ole Miss, how it's
played out, the calendar, becoming the giant villain of all
of this, at least on one half of the narrative,
whether it's gonna be LSU, whether it's gonna be Florida,
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whether he's gonna stay put at ole Miss, everybody's weight in.
We had what steven A and Paul Finbaum going at
it earlier this week on TV to where I think
steven A called Paul Finebaum a hypocrite by because Paul
leveled critique at Lane Kiffin for how this is played out,
and stephen A said, didn't you say I love ESPN,
(01:52):
but I would go be a senator, which I found
really interesting. But I also find it to be a
horrible example. I think he like overthought it, like these
two things are not remotely the same, Like when you
look at what Lane Kiffen could walk away from, let's
just say it here and then I just kind of
want your opinion to start it off, is we've never
(02:14):
seen anything like this before, where you have a one
loss Ole Miss team, probably the best season maybe in
their history, going into this rivalry game where they can
win it, where they're gonna go to the College Football Playoff,
and where they're good enough to potentially win the entire thing,
and their coach may take another job in the same
conference leave because they're not gonna let him coach in
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the playoff. It will affect their seating, it'll affect everything
about that, it could derail the entire season. And yet
it's still something that could happen. And I think there's
a lot of coaches where you'd say there's no chance,
but this guy, because of the history of Lane Kiffin
and how he has conducted himself professionally in terms of
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his jobs, you can't. You could never rule out the
fact that he could walk away, even at eleven and one,
which is exactly what he might be about to do.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
It's a crazy situation where if Lane is leaving, he
can't coach in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Man like the right because the transfer.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Window, right, so you need the next coach to come
in there, and the transfer window is between January second
and January sixteenth, So that's smack dab in the middle
of the playoff, which is just so stupid to me. Like,
you gotta ask yourself, is college football, what would the
NFL do? Would the NFL open free agency smack dab
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in the middle of the playoffs? No, they wouldn't be dumb,
They would not do that. There's gotta be a better
way to do this where you're not opening the transfer
portal during the playoff.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's just dumb. It makes no sense.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
You don't want your playoff to be upstaged yourself, like
the college football playoff can be upstaged in ways by
the college football transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
But with the dates being what they are, so you
think about the first round, it starts December nineteenth and twentieth.
The quarterfinals are December thirty first and January first, So
in theory, you could have Lane stick around and maybe
you win the first playoff game.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
If you win the.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Quarterfinals, then what what do you You gotta have your
next head coach in place. You got the transfer portal
window opening up. You can't have Lane coaching the team
in the college football playoff as you're like now in
the final four basically, meanwhile, do you what do you
do with the portal? You have no head coach, you
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have no system in place. He can't be around for
the playoff. If he decides to go to LSU or
somewhere else, you can't have him as the old misshead
coach come time.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
That's the situation we're in right here.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, that's right. I mean, look, if I'm LSU and
I'm gonna pay him ninety to ninety eight mil, whatever
the number turns out to be, and give him the
twenty five million annual roster cash as the offer has
been reported, I'm not paying him for a season that's
going to be a waste, Like I'm not giving him
a dummy season like that money that I'm paying him
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actually has to go into trying to field a team
next year that can win a championship, not two years
from now. Especially in NIL and everything else, you can
turn that around relatively quickly. So I understand it from
their perspective, and you can understand from Lane's perspective because
he's kind of caught. He obviously had plays all the cards.
I don't see him as a victim here. He's a
victim of his own success if you want to say that.
(05:47):
But he could shut this down at any point. My
question would be this, And I said this last week
to Aaron Torres on our show on Saturday night. I
said that as soon as I saw that they were
going to have the announcement about Lane Kiffn's future at
ole Miss the day after uh the Egg Bowl, I said, Oh,
he's staying for sure.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
And the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought,
that's insane, and I feel like I got caught in. Like, okay,
I got caught in. I got caught in pro wrestling
booker mode, which is something I did for a while,
So maybe that's how I looked at it. I said,
if I wanted to create a hero, if I wanted
to create an iconic moment, the thing that I would
do is turn it into the greatest week in ole
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Miss football history where they go beat their rival to
end the season with one loss, where they have all
sorts of momentum potentially going into a college football playoff.
And then the next day the question gets answered and
Lane Kiffin says, you know what, it's it's really really
nice to be wanted, and LSU and Florida and all
(06:49):
these other opportunities. I'm so flattered by all of this.
But my family loves Oxford and we want to we
want to finish our business here. It's not even that
there's unfinished business and then we can leave. It's just
no like, this place has been good to us, gave
us a chance. We want to win a championship right here.
If he does that, they build a statue for him
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outside the stadium and he becomes one of the greatest heroes,
maybe the biggest figure in almost football history, or certainly
one of them, and he can write his ticket forever.
Like I'm looking at it from a storybook perspective, but
the realistic perspective is when you listen to Keith Carter,
the athletic director, talk about it and say, look, we
don't want our kids to be distracted this week going
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into this rivalry game, and we want them to feel
like they have the full support of the university behind
them as they prepare for this game. That sounds like
a eulogy. That sounds like we've got to make sure
that they have there, that they have their rescue animals,
that they have what they need, their comfort animals, their
comfort squirrel or whatever it is on the airplane to
(07:54):
be able to get through what's going to be a
really traumatic time period. So I have flipped on it
in my own head, but I'm sticking by my guns. Yeah,
I'm gonna turn out to be a fool, probably, and
I'm well aware of that. And here's the other thing.
Maybe there's a part of me. It's just like I'm
rooting for him to stay because I think that's the
(08:15):
right decision. And I'll lay that out for you here
in a minute. But I want to see Lane Kiffin
stay at Old Miss and build something.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
There, yeah, because it could be his place.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yes, Like it's not well, he's at LSU and now
he's the next head coach with O and Sabin and
right like now he's won a championship along with these
other guys. Yeah, he could have his own thing at
Ole Miss. I think he's absolutely gone, man, I think
(08:48):
he's going to LSU. As my guest, I've heard some
people say I think he's going to Florida.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I think it's LSU.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
But if he were staying at Old Miss, he would
just come right out and be like, guys, I'm not
going anywhere I'm focused on the egg Ball. I'm focused
on the college football playoff. We've worked for years to
be in this spot, and this moment is all I'm
about right here, So please stop connecting the dots.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
I listened.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I decided I'm staying here at Ole Miss. It wouldn't
be hey, after the egg Bowl, we've got this mystery announcement.
Like unless this is straight from WWE, and you know, look,
that's where I'm coming from. It's the face turn. Right,
normally it's a heel turn. It's a face turn. You
think he's gone. He's like psych I'm staying baby like, Yeah, yeah,
I just don't think that's happening. But I like the thought.
(09:39):
I just don't think you would approach it that way.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
If that's no, Look, you're.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Probably well, like I said, I'm probably looking at it
from a completely ridiculous perspective. I admit that wholeheartedly. Like
what you're saying is probably right. You're probably smart. I'm
probably not. That's just and probably may have left the building.
I just I look at this and I and I
do see it from this perspective. Also, and I've heard
this set by some people. I respect it. In the industry.
(10:03):
Lane is different than a lot of other people.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
He absolutely he is.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
He does things a lot now there have been you know,
he's talked about getting sober and maturing a lot at
Old Miss and his family loving it there, and look,
it's a great town. And in this era he's closer
to a national championship by far than LSU or Florida
either one. At this point I also say this, Let's
say Lane Kiffen is this coach for the next twenty
(10:28):
five years at Old Miss, where he's right there on
the doorstep, but he didn't quite get there. He's Mark
feu E. Gonzaga or maybe Signetti and Indiana never quite
get there, but they're right there. Yeah, year after year
after year, he's still going to go down as a
legend there. Like you think about your quality of life
there compared to what happens to you in LSU. When
you win a championship, you get fired a few years later.
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That's right, happen to Less Miles, happened to edwar Jaran,
It likely would have happened to Brian Kelly, but he
wasn't good enough any to win that. And now they're
gonna pay him out his fifty four million dollars, which
we could talk about the end of the hour. But like,
Lane Kiffen is in a perfect place where, yeah, the
expectations are growing, but they're only growing based on what
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he's done. Like, I don't know that it's ever going
to feel like a failure for Lane Kiffen in that situation.
And then to your point, and this to me is
the key example and the key argument. You just go
become the next guy to win a championship at Florida.
You just go to become the next guy to win
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a championship at LSU. Neither one of them that far
removed from having done just that, particularly LSU Ole Miss.
You become the guy who won at ole Miss in
that conference. You become kind of the face for what
new college football can look like. Where you're in a
place where, yeah, they felt like spending money because you
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have to in this day and age. They gave him
every advantage, they gave him everything that he's asked for there,
and he turned that into a national champion. That like,
that's a perfect scenario. It's perfect for Yes, it's perfect
for a WWE storyline, but it's just like I feel
like you get to the end of your life. If
you're laying kid and you say, man, I'm glad that
I stated Old Miss because the championship or ships that
(12:20):
I let's say, we're living in hypotheticals now, but at
which we talked about in the first hour not being
a smart thing. But in this case, if he wins
a championship there, or wins multiple championships at Old Miss,
I just feel like there's more there, Like it means
more that he did it there than he just became
the next guy that had the built in historical generational
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advantages of a Florida or LSU and took that to
the promised Land.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It'd be like you could use many examples, whether it's
the NFL might make a lot of sense where if you,
let's say Drake May wins the Super Bowl in the
next couple of years with the Patriots, that matters a lot,
but they've won a lot of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You know what I mean. If you win a Super
Bowl with I don't know, say like the Jets.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Now, it's like, oh my gosh, this guy's walking on
water here, the quarterback. You know, it's just different. And
so yeah, there's something to be said about that with Lane.
If he's able to win it all, and that's the
key at Ole miss, of course it's going to mean
more because you haven't had that type of success that
you've had at Florida. In LSU, he wears the visor
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as a shout out to Steve Spurrier, like Steve Spurrier
is his guy. But it's like, if you go to Florida,
you're not the old ball coach, You're not the OBC.
You're just like you're Lane. You know, OBC is the legend.
You know, he's the guy who walks on water. In
terms of like the Gator Nation fan base, it's not
gonna be Lane. They would love him if he's able
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to win big, make no mistake, they would love him.
They'd love him in LSU also, But he's not the
guy that brought them to prominence. He would just be, like,
best case scenario, the guy that brought them back to prominence.
That's not the same thing as leading someone who's never
been there to prominence. But the other thing, I'm still
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hung up on this transfer window thing, man, where.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It's a shame.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Let's say Lane he takes the job at LSU, that's
not a crime, right, Like many coaches have gone from
one school to the next. He has won enough games
to be in the College Football Playoff and he should
be able to coach his team in the college football Playoff.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
But the transfer.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Window being where it is, and it's the only window
all year long.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Now, if you don't take.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Advantage of this window between January two to the sixteenth,
you are screwed.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
You are left out in.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
The cold in the wilderness with no jacket on and
no talent on your roster, and you're gonna suck. And
it's a horrible spot to be in going forward. Ole
Miss can't set themselves up for failure going forward. So
if Lane Kiffin takes another gig and is like, what
do you mean I can't coach the playoff like we
fought and scratched to get here, like when it al Paje,
(15:10):
We claw with our fingernails for those inches, Yes, and
now you can't even have them there because the transfer
went How dumb is college football to put this thing
where it is. That should never be the case where
a coach really can't move on because he can't be
with his original team in the playoff.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
It shouldn't be like that. Man, that's just a bad setup.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
I mean, he's gonna look like Benedict Arnold, like if
he walks out on them, even after what he's done
for them, which I know is like it's it's a
really tough spot, yeah, for him to be in, and
he has to I know, he has to think about
it this way too and say, look, is my name
ever gonna be hotter than this again? Is old Miss?
Are we gonna be in this position again to where
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we're gonna have pretty much every job in the country
that's open wants me. Do I ever get another opportunity
to take Elisu or Florida? Do I have to do
it now or never? And in my opinion maybe not.
But even like, is it so bad to be the
old Miss coach for the next thirty years? I don't
think so, not in this day and age. So I'm
still hoping against hope, and maybe that's why I'm gonna
(16:17):
look like a fool on Saturday. You can tune in
Saturday Night with me and Aaron Torres and maybe I'll
just have my foot already in my mouth by that
point in time, trying to remove it somehow. At that point,
So we don't know whether or not Lane Kiffin is
going to stick at Old miss for he's gonna go elsewhere.
When we come back, we're gonna talk about two quarterbacks
that have already gone elsewhere, both from the same team,
(16:42):
and now they've they've got a rookie at quarterback where
things haven't been going particularly well, and I'm gonna ask
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We do a little review from today's games tomorrow in
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Friday and Saturday Slate college football is really good, and
then all the weekend stuff with the NFL. We got
a lot to do tomorrow looking for them.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Indeed, And look, man, the NBA's got different colored courts
right now. That's right. I'm still just not in basketball mode. Like.
The only thing that I note again is just like, yeah,
the Celtics were playing on a green court last night
and had a good finish.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, I know that was a close game. That Pistons
had been red hot. Kate Cunningham, I needed him. I
actually was in game on the Pistons to win that thing,
so that that screwed me up there. But Kate hit
the first two free throws then missed the third and
that was curtains for them.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Didn't work out. But good game, very good.
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(20:09):
So I mentioned this in hour one and maybe I
can set it up with kind of the teas from
before the break, and that is that the Minnesota Vikings
are still out here. Well he may not be playing
this week, but JJ McCarthy is their quarterback. Guys that
are not their quarterback include Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones.
(20:29):
I have been thinking over the past few days, what
have I just been flat out dead wrong about so
far in the National Football League this year? And there's
still time to be proven right about this. But coming
into the season, there's always predictions, there's always things that
you think are gonna happen and you're not going to
bat a thousand. But how many of these have been
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so wrong that you would be fired for that? Take?
Like if that was let's say that was your projection
in the business meeting and this was your plan and
the plan failed so spectacularly that they handed you a
box and said get out of here, Like, how wrong
could you have been? And I think that maybe two
teams that a lot of people were wrong about entering
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the season would be the Seahawks and the Colts, where
you've got Sam Darnold and what he's done in Seattle
so far, and Daniel Jones and what he's done in Indianapolis. Now,
I'll let you take this where you will, but just
a jump off question here is right now, do you
feel better about the Seahawks or the Colts in terms
of the quarterback and what you can see them doing
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in the postseason?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Wow, I'm not a big Darnald guy, like our producer
Patty Sweeka, who again does the worst Colin Cowhard impression
in the history of impressions that you will hear in
the next hour, and just be prepared, Okay, just be
ready for I'm not a huge Darnald guy. The guy
just wets himself in big moments.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
We saw it. What just a couple of weeks ago
against the Rams.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
They had a last second kick to win the game,
and he threw four picks, Like that's that's how good
their team is, that's how good their defense is. They
still had a chance to win that thing, and he's
just handed away interceptions like he's Oprah, you know, just
you know, another one like DJ khaled.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
I just I'm not a big donald guy.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
He's put up pretty good numbers, but I just can't
trust him the way the season ended last year against
the Vikings, I'm sorry, against the Lions when they had
the one seed on the line, and then against the
Rams in the playoffs, Like he's just a deer in
headlights sometimes where it's like Sam, throw the freaking ball, dude,
he's just standing there like where's the internal clock. Man,
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They're gonna they're gonna clock you if you don't get
rid of the ball. And you just saw that creep
back up against the Rams. So I just can't trust
Donald and uh, you know you can't trust Daniel Jones either.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He put me in a rough spot.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I would if I if push came to shove man,
I would bite my upper lip and just grin and
bearrett with Donald because he's got Jackson Smith and Jigba.
He's got a top flight weapon. He is an absolute
stud And I just would cross my fingers that Sam
would get rid of the football on time and then
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hopefully throw accurate passes and not to the other team
and not screw the Seahawks. If that's who I'm rooting for.
But if I had to choose, it would be Donald
over Daniel Jones.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's what I'm talking about. Well, I mean, the Coles
have Jonathan Taylor. They do, but since you mentioned Jackson
Smith and Jigbie, I know it's a different position and
all that, but they both have they both have a
little bit of firepower around them. What I find interesting
about the Donald conversation specifically is, oh, look, Minnesota didn't
know what they were doing. They got arrogant, they thought
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all was just like. They didn't let Sam Darnld go
like based on the fact that he had a good
regular season last year, like the thing that did not
make sense to me about that argument in favor of Darnald.
The reason they let him go is because they saw
what he did at the end. It wasn't about what
he did in weeks one to fifteen, right or whatever
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like that. It's how the season ended with the Rams
last year. It was that they weren't sure he was
the guy that could win when it mattered. He's not
been it. He wasn't a guy for them that showed
that he couldn't win a lot of games and do
a lot of things. But that's not the goal, Like,
that's not the plan, especially when I do think you
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probably over I wouldn't say overrate, but you definitely give
a lot of credence to the fact that if you're
in Minnesota, you say, well, we've got Jordan Edison, and
we've got TJ. Hawkinson, and we've got Aaron Jones and
oh yeah, we've also got Justin Jefferson, Like they've got
a ton of talent. Did they maybe look at it
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and say it's the talent that's making the quarterback more
than the quarterback making the talent. In that case, you
let a Darnald go rather than paying him too much money,
and you say, well, look, we took JJ McCarthy for
a reason. Let's see if our talent can raise his
level of play. And sometimes that doesn't work out, and
in the short term it hasn't looked like a particularly
good decision. But I'm with you, like, I actually really
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do like Sam Darnald, and I was huge on him
coming out of USC, But there's nothing that he's done
in his career that tells me that he's a guy
that is going to get the job done in late
December and early January. And then, of course, the same
thing is true with Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
It's look, just because JJ McCarthy looks nothing like the
guy doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Sam Darnald
is the.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Guy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Like, that's just that that doesn't add up, because you're
hearing a lot of that, Like, man, what were the
Vikings thinking letting go of Sam Darnald And it's like,
wait a minute, wait a minute, Like they were thinking
Sam Donald's good, not great, and we're not gonna pay
him huge money because he's not worth it, and they're right,
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what Donald is. So just because JJ McCarthy is off
to a historically rotten start. It doesn't mean that they
blew it by getting rid of Sam Darnald.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
It'd be like jobs or dating.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Let's say you date this girl, Lisa, all right, fictitious girl.
She's good, she's cool. I mean, you're having a lot
of fun together, good times. But man, it's just you know,
there's something left to be desired and it's not going
to result in marriage, and that's what you really want.
So you stop dating her and you date this other girl, Jessica,
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and Jessica is a freaking train wreck, you know what
I mean. And it's like then you think back to
your first relationship, you're like, man, it wasn't half bad.
Like that's what's happening with Sam Darnald now, Like it
left something to be desired. You didn't want to get
hitched to Donald because he's a deer in headlights and
wets himself in big situations time and time again, and
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so you moved on. And now it's a train wreck
with JJ McCarthy. You get all these fans saying, man,
they shouldn't have let Donald go. It's like no, man,
like they had more than enough reason to let him go.
Just who they let him go for looks really bad
right now. But I don't think you should be longing
for Donald. You should just be longing for an actual,
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really good quarterback that you seemingly do not have at
this time.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Yeah, and we haven't said much about Daniel Jones here,
but I mean you heard say kwarm bark, we say, look,
I always said he was a great player, and of
course they're really good friends. And I think Daniel Jones
has definitely exceeded the expectations this year in Indianapolis. But
I also look at both those teams and say, I
don't think that they have the quarterback of the next
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ten years there. When I see that they're looking to
try and keep Daniel Jones long term, I'm like baseball,
like why like slow slower role here, just a little
bit like there has to be a middle ground somewhere
in sports between terrible and exceptional, and a lot of
guys find themselves there. Like I know we live in
a business of extremes, but that doesn't work here here.
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There are two pretty good players, better than serviceable players,
But I don't think either one of them is going
to win a Super Bowl for you or be a
part of a championship team. Like you can look at
Seattle and you make good points about their defense, and
certainly JSN is just on a completely different universe right now.
But do I really look at Seattle and say they
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can win it all. No, And honestly, I think that's
probably because of the quarterback. He's going to have to
prove that to me because I haven't seen it to
this point. But yeah, Like, it's very easy to nostalgically
look back at movies or things that at the time
you were like, yeah, it's all right, but then you
see the slop that comes out now and you say, Man,
(28:51):
Running Man in nineteen eighty four, what a great movie
that was. Forgetting that at the time, it was a
very like, yeah, it was decent, but we're not winning
Academy Awards here. So you can look back now, you
can look back on what was pretty good, even decent,
and you're seeing that kind of working in a new spot.
But you're also if you're paying close attention that RAMS
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game a couple of weeks ago, you're like, oh, yeah,
I also remember that that's what I saw here too,
and that that kind of left us out That's the
reason there was a question at the end of the
season folks as to whether they were gonna bring Sam
Darnold back. It wasn't because he hadn't played well. It
was because had he played so well that they were
going to actually wager the future and say, yeah, he's
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the guy. And I think that would have been insane.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah right, Yeah. It's the thing, man, where look around
the league.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Now, you wouldn't have had to pay top dollar like
some of these guys. Look at two a tongue of
I looa with my Dolphins, right, look at Brock Purdy
with the Niners. A couple of examples, Kyler Murray. These teams, man,
they fall into this trap tie and time again where
they're like, hey, we at least have an average to
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good quarterback somewhere in that range, and we're just gonna
pay him huge money.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
It's like, why would you do that? He's not worth it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
And when you have to cut corners with the quality
of the roster because you're paying your quarterback so much
money and he's not good enough to compensate for those
deficiencies on.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
The roster, you're screwed.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
But these teams, time and time again, they're like, it's
better than not having anybody, like, at least we're winning
games and maybe we'll get hot at the right time,
and they just talk themselves into it. It's like, look
at the Dolphins now, man, when the roster has gotten
less talented than it was and two is not good
enough to compensate for it. This is the product you
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get when you know the Niners have these injuries and
when they've had to get rid of starters, multiple starters,
because they're starting to devote so much money to word
brock Purty's monster payday, you find out he's not good
enough to compensate for those deficiencies.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
It's not to say those guys stink. Tua led the
league in.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Passing yards one year, Like tu Us put up good
numbers at times, Parties put up good numbers at times.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
But if you're being honest with.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
Yourself, they're not worth top dollar. And that's Sam Donald too.
Sam Donald is not worth top dollar.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Now.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
The Seahawks aren't paying top dollar. That's the you know,
the thing in their favor. But the more that you
like are aligning yourself with Sam Donald, you just have
to understand that he's not going to compensate for some
of the shortcomings of the roster. That's that's just where
he is. It's not to say he stinks, it's just
you want him to be a super Bowl like bound quarterback,
(31:51):
a super Bowl caliber quarterback, and.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
If you're being honest, he's just not that.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Yeah. So just because you mentioned brock Per and we can,
we can do our dead wrong stuff. To end the hour,
But I host having this conversation with a couple of
people a few weeks ago, and I said to, you know,
watching what Mac Jones is done and just watching the
forty nine ers throughout the Kyle Shanahan era, it's insane
to pay a quarterback in San Francisco. It really is, like, yeah,
(32:17):
unless it's unless it is one of those guys, like
because Kyle Shanahan's system. Yeah, he's done this with CJ. Bethard,
He's done this with different guys where he can win games. Now,
are they the future?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
No?
Speaker 2 (32:31):
But I feel like, like, well, brock Party's got to
get paid. Look at this man, he's got to be respected.
I mean, okay, but are they better with brock Party
than they were with Mac Jones. I think it's marginal
at best. It's certainly not it's certainly not worth the
money difference between those two guys. If Kyle Shanahan's your
genius and you've got you know, Christian McCaffery or whatever
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like that, pay your running back and then let your
coach be a genius and save money and a quarterback
position and just beef up everywhere else because at this
point all you do is move from Jimmy G to
Jimmy G to Jimmy G.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Right, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
It's like, man, we had knockdown dragouts about this too
in the off season. Not you and I, but right right,
me and other hosts, right, and it's like, well.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Who are you gonna get? Who are you gonna get
if it's not.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Brock Purty, And it's like, turns out it's Mac Jones,
who's doing chest as well, if not better, And he's
not thought of. It's like, oh man, you got Mac
Jones like that serious competition.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No, it's Mac Jones.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He fizzled out from a couple of places, New England, Jacksonville,
and it turns out he's really good in that system
with a better talent around him, you know, So it
makes a huge, huge, difference, and I just think it's
insanity to pay brock Purty that much money when you
just laid it out, the system means a whole lot,
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The town around the quarterback means a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
He's good.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I'm not saying that brock Purty is bad, just not special.
And that's the going rate. You have to pay quarterbacks
huge money as if they are special, and if they aren't,
you are going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's that is extremely well said. You
can never ever overpay an elite quarterback, that's right, but
you can ruin your franchise. That's by overpaying an average one.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Perfect Yeah, love it exactly right.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Yes, And then we're seeing it all over the league
and eventually some bluffs are gonna get called and we'll
see what the how it ends up playing out. When
you come back out of the break, we are going
to look at some of the things we've been wrong
about so far in the NFL this year. But a reminder,
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Welcome back in Live Fox Sports Radio Studios. Two Pros
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We're in for the guys the next couple of days.
All right, b what have we been wrong about in
the NFL this season? I'm gonna I'm gonna lead off
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because I just I got to get this off my chest.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
I was very, very just not on the RAMS this year.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Oh wow, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, Matthew Stafford, I didn't like the health situation entering
the season. I thought he was gonna battle throughout the
year to be in the to be in the lineup. Yeah,
I wasn't sure he would play double digit games this year.
And he's maybe the MVP front runner in the league
right now. Right their offense has looked spectacular, the defense
(36:13):
has been very, very good, and they're young and hungry.
They might be the best team in the NFL right now,
and I did not have them. I don't think I'd
have to go back and look for sure, but I
don't think I even had them in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Yeah, It's it's one of those that you at least
have a leg to stand on of, like, well, this
is why I was saying that. And the the Stafford
back injury was a real thing in the offseason where
you know, Sean McVay would come out and be like, actually,
(36:48):
he's not going to be practicing against Air this week either,
and you're like, wait.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
What what's going on?
Speaker 4 (36:57):
So you're right, like, at least you can explain why
you were saying those things. It's not like you were
like I had the Browns winning a super Bowl and
man that was wrong as it turns out, you know
what I mean, Like you had an argument as to
why you went with that. Yeah, I'll say one of
mine was I was very strong on the Chiefs winning
(37:18):
their division again. It was my biggest bet of the offseason.
I bet a listener filling in for big Ben Maller. Yeah,
I have to pay the guy like three hundred bucks. Oh,
they're not gonna win the divisions. I was a crazy.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Person when it came to that, as it turns out,
but they had won nine in a row.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I'm like, I'm not buying all of this just because
the Eagles beat him in the Super Bowl. They're like
figured out by the rest of the league, like what
are we doing here? And man, they're not in the
spot to win the division. So that looks to be
dead wrong by me.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. So, looking at just a couple of the teams
that are going to be playing here today on Thanksgiving,
I thought the Lion offense was going to be better
than it's been. Yeah, throughout this part of the season,
not that it's been like dreadful, but there has been
more of a noticeable drop off from the Ben Johnson
offense to what we've seen this year. They just don't
(38:15):
look quite as terrifying now. I say that, but then
when Jamir Gibbs has a football in open space, he
is basically the terminator. But like just golf and the
passing offense, it just has not to me felt quite
as crisp and scary as always expecting. I'm not particularly
(38:37):
blown away or surprised by what I'm seeing in Green
Bay because I've never been a particularly big Jordan Love fan,
But looking at the Lions, my preseason Super Bowl pick
was Lions Ravens, and I'm looking at both those teams
and right now I can make an argument why neither
one of them looks the part. And I think it's
surprisingly enough it is. It's the Lions offense that just
(39:00):
doesn't seem quite as dynamic.
Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah right, you know, I don't know that I was
necessarily wrong about this one. It's sort of incomplete. But
I was very strong on pushing back on the thought of, hey, uh,
Jaden Daniels maybe sophomore slump. Here happened to see J.
Stroud and I'm like, they're not even close. Like stylistically,
(39:24):
they're so different. Jaden Daniels moves around quite a bit,
He's an athlete. C J Stroud a lot more stationary.
I just didn't think their games stylistically are very similar
at all.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Now, Jaden Daniels got hurt.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
He started six games and in those six games, eight touchdowns,
two interceptions. You know, it's not like his numbers were
in the toilet by any means. So I don't think
it was necessarily a sophomore slump. So maybe I wasn't
wrong about that, but certainly for the Commanders that was
that was a big time, you know, nose dive even
before the Jade and Daniels injury. So maybe more so
(40:02):
the team sophomore slump than the quarterback. But that was
one that was I guess semi wrong at the very least. Right.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, Yeah, So one that I would also mention here
is and was one we talked about in the last segment.
That's just I didn't think the Cults are gonna be
good at all. I mean, I mean, I wasn't really
buying into the Daniel Jones side, but like, I mean,
I like Pittman, and I like and Tyler Warren's been
better even than I thought he was going to be
coming out of college. He's been extraordinary this side end position.
(40:30):
But Jonathan Taylor being healthy throughout the year. That's something
we haven't seen too often recently. But more than anything,
like Daniel Jones has been more than just a caretaker.
He's actually been pretty good. Like we'll see whether you
know when the slipper falls completely off, but he's not
been like there's no punchline in Indianapolis. That's just a
(40:53):
pretty good football team that any given week can beat you.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
I think also, if we're being honest, everybody got this wrong.
Who had collectively the Chiefs and the Ravens both six
and five and the Bengals at three and eight? Like
no one had that. No one had that, you know,
that three piece combo right there? No way, And that's
where we are right now in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
We sure are and where we're going to be an
hour three, I would imagine, is a whole lot more ball,
some big games today, some big games tomorrow, big games
all weekend long. It is a cornicopia of food today
on your table, a corncopia of sports food all weekend
long for us. We'll come back our three or two
pros and a cup of Joe is straight ahead on
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