June 24, 2024 • 38 mins
Jason & Brian talk about the upcoming Game 7 between the Edmonton Oilers & Florida Panthers, J.J. Redick getting introduced as the Lakers new head coach, and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Probably the biggest story in sports still even days later.
We'll get to it here in just a moment. It
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dot com the way tire buying should be. I still
think it's the biggest story in sports now. It is. Look,
we do have two champions being crowned tonight. B We've
got the hockey obviously, with coming back from three to zero,
which would be the first time I think that somebody
has come back from three to zero and forced to
game seven in hockey since the forties. Yeah, I think
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it was nineteen forty five. Yeah, So that's that's something
in itself, and just the way that the series has
shifted and how dominant the Oilers have been in four
to five and second, and then you have the College
World Series coming down to a winner take all tonight.
After Tennessee Eve did up for one yesterday over Texas
A and M. So you got two champions being crowned tonight.
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That's not bad for June. Like June twenty fourth, NBA
season's already over. It's not a weekend, so it's not
a golf major. Not bad for a Monday night, would
you agree? Oh? No, may have disappeared. I may have
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just he may have been so blown away with the
prospects of a June night being this big in sports
that he just disappeared off the face of the planet.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think this means you won the Game seven argument.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, I don't think there was any doubt, especially
not amongst the crew. So we're gonna have to get
Brian No back here momentarily. Usually to me that has
that happened. But I've actually gotten a new setup, so
I feel a little better about my chances of being
here on a consistent basis. We'll bring in Eddie Garcia
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into the mix. Who is we talked a little bit
of hockey in our number one. But is this a function,
Eddie of the Oilers just being the better overall team
in the last three games, or is this just kind
of the magic of Connor McDavid finally showing forth because
it does seem like two completely different series have been
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played between one and three and four and six.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think the Connor McDavid thing is I mean, that
can't be overstated. And we talked about a little bit
on the Ben Malor Show. You know, stars and hockey
are important, but not as important necessarily as maybe NBA,
where you can have a star player who can take
over a game and play a significant number of minutes
things like that. It's not just it's not quite that
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in hockey. But when you look at the first three
games in Connor McDavid not scoring a point and then
he has back to back four point games, which had
never been done in the history of the Finals, I mean,
it's pretty obvious. It's pretty evident that yes, his his
turning all on and becoming and showing you know what
he is during most of the regular season one of
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the most dominant players in hockey. That's obviously been a
huge factor. I think the special teams have been a
huge factor as well. Same thing. First three games, no
power play goals for Edmonton, and then in these last
three games they've scored a couple of shorthanded.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Goals and power play goals.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So it's and that's been a big thing they've used
all season long to have a success and turn their
season around after starting off pretty slow. So I think
McDavid turning it on and their special teams getting going
are a big reason why it's flipped.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well it's good. Well, all it takes is one more
for Florida. So I don't know which stories, but I
don't even know which story is better. I was thinking
about this over the weekend. Is it more compelling to
come back from three to zero down and not finish?
Does that make a better thirty for thirty? Then coming
back from three to zero down, guys and actually ending
up for to three and winning the thing?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, winning, it's better?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
If the Red Sox came back to force a Game
seven against the Yankees in what was it four and
then lost Game seven, there's no documentary about that. But
because they came back from three to zero and won
the series, it's one of the biggest stories in baseball history.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, you know, I think that that's the perfect way
to argue it that Red Sox point I won the
Game seven argument, like clearly in our one the Game
seven versus super Bowl argument, there's no I think it's
one hundred percent on my side, and you just weighed
me on this one.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad that I swayed you on
that one. But super fast, the super Bowl is the
biggest event by miles, How are we judging this?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I keep you on here.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't want to belabor it, but just real fast
as a fear again, I.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Just don't think biggest means it's the best. The biggest
box office motion picture of the year is often not
anywhere close to the best movie that was released that year.
I don't think Taylor Swift's album is the best album
of twenty twenty four, But ask yourself, why is it
close to dwarfing it?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right? But why is in sporting events? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not like an album, it's not a movie, it's
not a one off. It's every single year, every single year,
we get the super Bowl, right, every single year we
get all these other sporting events. Most years we get
Game sevens. So why ask yourself? Why is the super
Bowl consistently the biggest event, the biggest attraction Because it
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gets the most intrigue, it gets the most entertainment value,
it has the biggest.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Build up, We're talking about it for two weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It has the highest ratings by far, It's the biggest
event by freaking miles. And someone wants to tell me
that Game seven are the two best words in sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, they aren't. They aren't super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Here's why game Here's another quick argument. I think one
of the reasons why Game seven are those are the
two best words in sports and not super Bowl is
because by the time you get to a Game seven,
you generally have seen that you're gonna have a good matchup.
You generally have seen that there's something compelling and a
story that's been told over a week or two, six games,
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a story, different chapters in that book, gone back and forth.
You've seen highs and lows for both teams. Sometimes it's
even better than that, and everybody's playing at a high level,
and somebody makes a shot a few times in a
row and you end up in a Game seven, whereas
with the super Bowl you never know you're right. It's
definitely become a better event on the field. But the
reason why the Super Bowl is so big largely escapes
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football and is about halftime and ads and all these
other things, and some of that has shifted, and I'm
glad that the games have become better, But I mean,
my favorite weekend in the NFL's Divisional Round weekend is
not even close. You get a little bit more football,
but you still have playoff teams. You're close to the end,
but you're not quite to the end. I just I
think that Game seven usually indicates, Okay, we've got a
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really solid matchup here, because these guys have gone at
it against each other for a couple of weeks, as
opposed to, well, here's the team that came out of
this conference and the team that came out of this conference,
and sometimes that's completely out of whack and there's no balance,
and it's two teams you don't care about. And I
do think this is subjective, right, Not every Game seven
is a Game seven the same way. But you do
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know in all these events, including the Super Bowl, you're
gonna have a champion crowd at the end of it,
which it's just a good And I was saying this
as you've dropped off. It's not bad for a Monday
in June after the NBA season to have, you know,
College World Series winner take all and a Stanley Cup
winner take all game on a random Monday night, Like
that's not too shabby.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh, I'm fired up for it.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
The only thing my small gripe, I wish they were
on two separate nights. I'm gonna have this side by
side TV action going on because I'm excited for both events,
but I would like my undivided attention on one game.
You know, like you just said, it's June, it's late June.
If this was like Monday night Stanley Cup Final Tuesday
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night College World Series, It's like that works out better.
But we get the side by side action tonight, which
is fine. But if I could have it my way,
I would have.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It on two separate nights. That everything's perfect, though, No,
you can't always have it your way.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, there will be other sporting of it you
could watch tomorrow. There'll be some baseball, There'll be some
basketball being played WNBA basketball and things like that. There'll
be something if you can't tear yourself away for an evening.
But yeah, so the biggest story in sports, I would say,
is still the same thing that it's been now for
not quite a week. Because you could go back to
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the NBA Finals and talk about that, But I don't
know that that was a particularly compelling series that had
a particularly compelling result, And I don't know how many
like grand takes there are, even though I think maybe
the next segment we can get into you know, what
does this mean for the Eastern Conference and who's in
a position to actually challenge Boston if anybody, But I
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think it's still JJ Reddy. I think that's still probably
the most interesting thing that's happening in sports. And soon
as the finals ends and he's done with TV, then
here it comes. And just the way that this all
laid out, with the the WOJ bomb that wasn't and
everything happened with the athletic and they got dragged, it
(09:07):
felt like we I look back on it now, Brian,
the conspiracy theorist in me, says, Woljaiski didn't like the
fact that Sham's got that scoop. They don't like each
other because they're constantly competing and they're both uber competitive,
and there've been articles written about how neither one of
them has lives because they can't afford to have life
because of the possibility of breaking news and all these
other kinds of things. So I still got didn't feel
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like WOJ almost dropped that out of nowhere that Danny
Hurley deal to try and take something off of Scham's
less than twenty four hours before that, saying Reddick was
nearing a deal and it ends up being Reddick anyway.
I don't think many people know Yukon as deeply as
my broadcast partner on Saturday, who's an alumni as well
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as just you know, college basketball is how he's made
his hey pretty much his entire career. And he said
he never thought for a second that Danny Hurley was
going anywhere, and he thought it was a story that
had no legitimacy from the get go.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Hmmm, yeah, I'd still think it's a monster story.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I just look at this with Reddick being with the Lakers,
and the question that I have in my mind, Jason,
is what would any coach like You could put Spolstra
there with the Lakers. You could put Pop there with
the Lakers, you could put Tyloo there with the Lakers
with the roster.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That they have.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And I don't want to make it out to be trash,
because it's certainly not. You've got Lebron still playing at
a high level. Anthony Davis, you got some decent role players,
but holes on the roster, and in a loaded West,
absolutely loaded, what do you think the best head coaches
could do with that roster? I think the lakers ceiling
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would be conference finals, and that might be generous. It's
most likely second round. They lost in the first round,
granted to the defending champion Nuggets, but think about the
Nuggets lost to the Timberwolves, the Timberwolves lost to the MAVs,
the MAVs lost to the Celtics. So if you look
at it from that perspective, the Lakers are far away
(11:11):
with the roster they have from doing significant damage in
the playoffs. And so that's where I come in where
I hear all this stuff of like, what's up with Reddick?
He hasn't even been an assistant coach and he's a
head coach.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I hear that.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But the way the season's gonna play out, the Lakers
are gonna have some good moments and then they're not
gonna do jack in the playoffs, assuming they're there because
they were a play in team last season. But I
look at it, I don't think this is a Reddick thing.
I think this is a roster thing, and I think
some of the best head coaches in the game they
wouldn't be able to do wonders with this Laker roster either.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
No, I agree with that. I mean there was maybe
a sea average if you were just trying to look
at it from like a GPA standpoint. The Lakers are
like a cuscus, Like they're not an f But you
talk about a loaded West, not just loaded West, but
a loaded young West. Yeah, guys that are in their
prime were just now entering their prime. And then you
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have your two best players with the Lakers. Ones often
hurt and he's not exactly a spring chicken, and the
other one is, you know, the elder statesman of the league,
who's just gonna he's but he's still gonna be out
of there pretty soon. Reddick has to know coming in
that this is going to take time. And then the
question is how much time is he going to be granted,
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especially after Lebron leaves, because you will never convince me
that Lebron was not involved in that coaching search. When
it ends up being his podcast host that ends up
getting that job, I just I don't see it. And
then that leads to another question that I'm gonna throw
out there, and then we can go to break and
we can come back and we can address this side
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of the issue as it relates to Reddick and the Lakers.
Is the guy that co hosts the podcast, gonna listen
to the guy that hosts the podcast. The one in
the suit is the one in the in the basketball uniform?
Gonna listen to the one in the suit because I
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think that might be the biggest question of all. We'll
address that when we come back. It's Two Pros and
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I'm Jason Martin. Welcome back here Fox Sports Radio. You
see Travis Kelcey on stage with oh Man Taylor Swift
at Wimbley Yeah, or maybe not see it, but see
coverage of it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh I Jason. I stream all these concerts live. You
kidding me?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Big into the Rors Tour, are you?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Mantrous moment, man, It kills me how somebody, just not
even Taylor Swift, will post a video of Taylor Swift
one hundred thousand likes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm like, that's that's powerful, right there.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (14:55):
Good for her? She is uber popular.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, I don't know if it's good for society, But yeah,
good for that. Do you know this week is the
NBA Draft.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, we got a two night event.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This is the only time that that makes any sense,
right because you've got a you've got a two month event.
We're gonna get back to Reddick here, but I think
we can actually bridge pretty easily right there from this
two night event for the NBA Draft sounds insane, Like,
I understand you want to make it a television product,
but how many second rounds the NBA Draft have ever
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been good? And increasingly less so because like most of
the top ten, a lot of them are gonna be
guys from the G League and overseas no one's ever
heard of before. This is not like the NFL Draft.
It's not made for television. A lot of them have
been just dreadful in recent years. But the most like
noteworthy player in this draft by far is going to
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be a second round pick. So you actually have a
reason for there to be a second night because it's
all going to be about the son of Lebron James.
Your thoughts on the Brownie experience going into the week
that he is assuredly going to be drafted because of
his last name.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, that's a good point, right, It's most years it's
not gonna be a sexy sales pitch to like, Hey,
round one was tonight, but tomorrow night Round two?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Huh check it out.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, no one's.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Watching that that interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
But yeah, this season for sure, This year for sure
with Bronnie James, because there is huge intrigue because obviously
he's Lebron's son. It's not his game, it's not his credentials,
it's you know, who his dad is and where he
ends up going. So yeah, that is compelling. That's different
than most years because outside of having Bronnie James in
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this draft, your sales pitch would be, Hey, Jokich, right,
Draymond Jalen Brunson. We've had some second round gems, but
it's a needle in a haystack when you get into
that territory.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's right. Also, like the names that you just mentioned,
it's not like the day they were drafted was a
great entertainment product, right, Like, it's not like Jokic remember
that draft? No, not really? Well I remember Jokic becoming good.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I just remember it because it gets posted again
and again where he was drafted during a commercial. It
was a Taco Bell commercial. They weren't even live when
Jokic got drafted. It was a non story at the
time to your point, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
For some reason, I thought when you were going to
Taco Bell, you were going something about him being dowe,
something about Jokic. Just wait, I thought we were going
in a different direction there. I'm glad that. I'm glad
that we pulled it back out of the gutter. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
If I went Taco Bell, I would talk about three
crunchy tacos and how Baja Blast is significantly overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But that has.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Nothing to do with Jokic, And you know, we would
be off on a side tangent there.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We know what he wants that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, do you think? Yeah, definitely. Side tangents and radio
never a good thing, were always a good thing. Do
you think JJ Reddick's looking forward to coaching Bronnie? Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wow, Okay, so we've fast forward to the Lakers. They
are definitely getting Bronnie?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Is that I sure think so? I mean, you tell
me what's your percentage right now of feeling that the
Lakers are going to take that second round pick unless
somebody beats them to the punch. That hypothetical Dan Patrick
throughout last week. I just thought was fun of the
Mavericks doing it because they know inherently that Lebron's itching
to play with Kyrie again, so they go draft Bronnie.
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They've already got Kyrie, and then Lebron's just like, you know,
pay me a dollar. Yeah, come in and pay and
let's go win a championship together. I get to play
with my son, I get to play with my favorite
running buddy and just dare him and see if you
could force the issue. I think that's a fun thing.
I don't think it's going to happen, but what well,
give me a percentage on what you think the Lakers
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will do in the second round.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, if Bronnie is there on the board and you're
on the clock, how do you take the you know,
the shooting guard from Europe right like over Ronnie James.
If he's on the board, they pretty much have to
take him.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
But that is pretty interesting with another team.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
If you talk about just dangling a carrot and saying, hey,
we got Bronnie lebron you know you want to play
alongside him, be a pretty cool story, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Think about the Griffies, how awesome was that?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
So, yeah, I'm curious if another team does that. I'm
curious if another team sees real value. I know Paul
George said this and it was ridiculous the other week
where he was like, hey, Bronnie James could could be
like Drew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, that's so insane.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Drew Holiday is an amazing player.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, he was great in college too. Bronnie wasn't that either, Like, yes,
it started out kind of slow because he had the
health scare, which luckily it seems like he's fully recovered from.
And it's not about him as a guy, like apparently
all his teammates loved him at USC. He's a great
young man. This isn't about that at all. But Drew
Holliday was a star in college. Yeah, a star, and
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he's a champion now. I know.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He's a really really good player.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It's funny too, because I looked at because when Alex
Caruso got traded to the thumb.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Very excited about that, by the way, from my thunder.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Really good move, really solid move, love it, And I
was just comparing.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I wanted to do a little you know, check.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
He always like check your work with your math teacher
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, I want to check my work.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Well, yeah, because I'm like, that's sort of like the
poor man's Drew Holliday, and that's that's not even that accurate.
On the defensive end, yes, Alex Caruso was fantastic. He's
All Defense second Team just like Drew Holliday. But offensively
it's not even close. You had Caruso he averaged double
figures for the first time in his career this past season,
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averaged about ten points. Drew Holliday has averaged double jit
digits for fourteen of his fifteen NBA seasons. You know
what I mean, Like, Drew Holliday on the offensive end
is way better than Alex Caruso. Defensively comparable, not offensively
all around player. Drew Holliday is fantastic. Ronnie James has
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virtually no chance to be as good as Drew Holliday
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it does him
any favors to compare him to Drew Holliday or anybody else.
And I'm not sure what Paul George's angle is in
saying that, but yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to
actually watch what Bronnie James does on the floor. But
we know right now he's not an NBA player, but
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he's gonna get an opportunity because of who his dad is.
And I've told you this before, I feel a little
sorry for him. I know that sounds crazy because he's
gonna get to playing the NBA and maybe doesn't deserve
it at this stage, but nothing he does is ever
going to be judged fair. Yeah, no matter what, Like
I I wish he was good, Like I wish he
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would come in and be good for his sake and well,
I mean, it's gonna be better entertainment, but I would
it would be so much easier if it didn't feel
like pure nepotism, Like if he was totally deserving, then
I think it would change things. Even if he's never
gonna be as good as his dad, and no one's
ever gonna expect that. But I think a lot of
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people are just gonna wait to see this fall because
they have a problem with Lebron. It's not even gonna
have anything to do with Bronnie, but he's never gonna
get a fair shake from the people that love Lebron
and just are total sick of fans for him, and
then the flip side that want to see this crash
and burn.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Because you might remember a few months ago, Austin Rivers
had something to say about Bronnie James and he compared
it to his situation when he played for his dad,
Doc Rivers was the head coach, and he was like, yeah,
I hope that Ronnie plays somewhere else than being a
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teammate of his dad lebron where he's like, it's just
gonna be judged unfairly. He's completely right. We're not going
to look at Bronnie as just this guy who played
a little bit at USC and now he's in the
NBA and he's trying to figure it out and carve
out a niche. We're gonna look at every little thing
and say, man, what's up with that, and what's up
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with that? And why not this? And what We're gonna
be really hard to please and we aren't gonna judge
him fairly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's unfortunate. I hate that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But the added pressure that would come along with, you know,
being teammates with your dad, it isn't all good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We romanticize that, and we think of Ken Griffyr with
Junior on the bench and they're laughing and they're having
a great time, and we think about, Ah, that'd be
awesome playing alongside your dad, and not everything is roses.
You know, there's a significant downside with that if that
does end up being the case for Bronni.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, and again if your like talent level is more
commensurate than it works out. But like, so, my dad
coached some of my Little League teams. Well I stunk.
That's why I host radio instead of actually playing. But
at the same time, you know, if I'm getting minutes,
or if I'm getting time, or if I'm getting extra
attention that my play doesn't warrant, that's just gonna make
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me a target for anybody, for other parents, for other players,
for all of this kind of stuff. So nothing Brownie
does on the floor is gonna, I think, have much
It's not gonna have much interest. It's gonna be about
everything else, and it's gonna be interesting to watch it
actually play out. I also think you talk about playing
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for your dad, what about playing for a guy who
you played against? How does that work? Especially when you
also host a podcast. With him.
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Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm watching these highlights right now of the sky Fever game. Yeah,
Angel Reese, Like she scored fifteen points in the last
eleven twenty five of the game, and none of them
were like fun to watch. Yeah, that's the thing. Like
she and she's like, you know, dancing on the floor
and all this stuff and good, I mean her like
character and charisma and all that kind of stuff that's
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going to carry her somewhere. And it does make her fun.
But layups are not fun, like rebound and put backs,
that's not I don't know that you need to be
shimmying and doing that too often when it's so fundamental.
It's like getting excited because of Tim Duncan's brand of basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's like an elbow jumper off the glass.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And yeah, it's like she's effective. I give her credit,
like she had a great game yesterday. Question, But it's
just the bread. The style is. It's only gonna be
so compelling when you play the position she plays and Look,
this is just why I brought it up, Like the
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popularity thing, Why is it that Caitlin Clark is so
popular and some other players aren't a lot of it
is just stylistically. There's something that makes you go whoa
when someone hits a logo three. It's not gonna make
you say whoa. If even in like the final minute,
it was a great move by Angel she got a
(26:26):
huge bucket, but it's not gonna wow you the same
way when it's four feet away.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
If that, you know what I mean, It's just a
different deal there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Okay, so I'm gonna pay this off now Lebron James.
Do you think Lebron James is going to listen to
JJ Reddick?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I think initially unless they don't have great success, and
then it's going to start to become a tune out
because it's all production based.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I think that he absolutely respects his basketball intellect and
all of that. But if the Lakers aren't having success
and he doesn't see things being different or being better,
I think he's gonna go back to man, nothing's changed.
You know, this guy isn't turning water into wine and
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it'll be a two knot so I think it's tied
to how much success do the Lakers have, fair or not,
Because if the Lakers are having great success, I think
Lebron's like, all right, this JJ Reddick guy great. If
they aren't, it's like it's a dime a dozen. He's
had a lot of head coaches that didn't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, so you're in a let's say they're in a
time out there in a huddle, there's a play called
Lebron wants to go a different way. You think he's
gonna be all right, JJ, you're the coach, Yeah right,
I don't. I think it's like he looks at it,
He's like, JJ, men, you know, we're boys. I gotta
go do my thing, and it's gonna be this play.
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And I think that's that that just that kind of
mesh or lack thereof is going to be intriguing. And
you're right, if it doesn't go well out of the box.
How much does that shift the other narrative that I
want to talk about when it comes to Reddick, And
it seems like I'm hearing this more and more. I'm
not worried about Reddick. I'm not concerned about him at all,
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it's gonna be the staff that he puts around him.
I have no doubt in JJ Reddick's ability to coach,
and all this, well why not. I'm not suggesting that
he can't. He may come in and be great, but
is it not fair to at least be skeptical when
we've never seen him do it. Just because he's brilliant
at it doesn't mean he's going to walk in and
be a great head coach. That's like saying that we're
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sure that Michael Jordan was gonna be a great head
coach or somebody else in a sport, like Tom Brady's
gonna go be the greatest NFL coach of all time
because X, Y and Z, because of what he did
on the floor. Like, Reddick had a really nice career
in the NBA as a role player, but I think
he ended up getting more out of his career than
many thought he was going to. I do think that
he had a really good NBA career, and he's shown
(28:57):
that he's got chops in the media. I don't think
he was good in the booth. He knew he wasn't
good in the booth and may have tuned it out
at some point, But I think, like on TV as
a talking head a podcast, oh sure, I see a
lot of value there. But when you just kind of
blanket tell me I'm not concerned, I don't think he
should be very concerned about JJ Reddick at all. Well,
I think he should be just as concerned as anybody
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else you've never seen do it. I don't think you
need to give him any more of the benefit of
the doubt because anybody that says, oh, he's for sure
going to be better than Darvin Ham, well no, like
there's absolutely zero evidence to back that up. Even if
you think Darvin Ham is the worst coach you've ever seen,
we still have no idea what Reddick's going to be.
I'm not suggesting again, be that for sure he's going
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to be a disaster. Matter of fact, he at fifty
to fifty shot. I think is fair because we don't know.
But to act like it's not okay to be skeptical
of this or it's actually about this thing and this thing,
it's not really about Reddick, okay, but it is kind
of about Reddick because he's never coached above like youth basketball,
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he hasn't been on an NBA bench, just because he
played in the league doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna be
a great I mean, Darvin Ham played in the league.
I mean a lot of dudes who have played in
the league they couldn't coach, And a lot of dudes
that haven't played in the league they couldn't coach. I
just think that like the rush to defend it and say, oh, well,
there's a high reward here. Well, there's a high reward
anybody you coach if they come in and win. There
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was a lot of risk in hiring Dabo Swiney at Clemson.
They start winning and then you see the high reward.
It's all about what he's actually gonna do, And to
this point he hasn't done anything. So I don't know
why we need to just blanket say everything's gonna be
fine with JJ Reddick based on.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
What Yeah, well I think. Listen, it's a really hard
job to ease into. This is not like your first
head coaching job in the NBA and you're with the
Charlotte Hornets and most people are just not even paying attention.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
This is the Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Lakers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And this is Lebron James. This is as bright as
a spotlight as you can have on yourself. And I
just think of Jason Kidd, right Jason Kidd didn't have
any coaching experience, who went straight to being a head
coach in the NBA. And think about his first season
with the Brooklyn Nets, and remember when he was like
acting like he was drinking something and spilled it on
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the court so I could buy some time. And this
whole thing, like if you interviewed Jason Kidd right now,
who was just in the finals against the Boston Celtics,
and how much he's learned as an NBA head coach
from twenty thirteen when it was his first gig with
the Nets till now this past season with the MAVs.
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I'm sure he's learned a ton because it's more than
just x's and o's. JJ Reddick knows the game, but
think of Phil Jackson with the Bulls and the Lakers,
and it's not just the triangle in x'es and o's.
It's managing egos. It's got all that other stuff that
goes along with it. And JJ Reddick's a smart guy,
but he has a ton to learn on the fly
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as an NBA learning on.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
The job as Laker's head coach seems like a thing
that shouldn't happen like that. Yeah, that seems that seems crazy.
And you mentioned Jason Kidd, Well, I'll throw Steve Nash
at you. Like Steve Nash, you know, great basketball mind,
tons of respect. Just didn't really work, did it. Like
the egos and everything, it didn't really work. I think
there's also something interesting, and maybe we can talk about
(32:27):
a little bit on flip side, because I know we're
getting close to this break, but I feel like it
has to be sort of a different dynamic and it
would have to be weird, and I know it happens,
and we're seeing it happen. You mentioned Kid, and we
talked about Nash, but I mean Lebron James and others
on that team have played against the guy that's now
their head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, it's not like father figure. You know, this guy
that is sixty years old, he's been wearing the same
suit for twenty years and stuff. It's like, no, they're contemporaries. Yeah,
like they've played in the same era of basketball. That
to me is another thing worthy of explorations. So let's
do that after the break. Let's get to the break.
Now we'll come back. We'll discuss a little bit more
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Speaker 2 (33:30):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I figured you probably weren't.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
You know, it's uh, are you?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
They're all right? I would call himself like a big fan.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
It sounds to me like dudes with frosted tips are
like a Kohley Fallout Boy.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Tonight man?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
You in hell? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (33:53):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
You know, and you tie your sweater around your waist
and you go out and see Fallout Boy?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Am I wrong about that?
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I don't know. I mean it was it was after
my time, the whole EMO thing, So I don't know.
The voices you were just doing pretty sure those don't
replicate how anyone talks.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It might be surprised to go to a follow up
follow Up, But I don't know if I'm uh, is
that the same band that they had the college football anthem?
That's them, right, Yes, Centuries So they've got a couple
of songs that are pretty good. That song in particular
sounded like what I was describing though.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, that that is. I don't know if that's their
biggest hip. It's probably one of them. They're all right.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Like I said, I'm they're like them up Up Up?
Is that them? Also?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I'm yeah, that's a good song.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. I like other songs better than that. But anyway,
Riddick and Lebron James, we were talking about this before
the break, what do you think the dynamic is? And
we're increasingly seeing it. This is how I know I'm
getting old is I'm watching dudes coaching now that I
also saw their entire career in college Like before, like
I knew who they were and it wasn't like, oh yeah,
(35:08):
I was two years old and that guy was playing.
So no, I traded for him in Madden fifteen man
and he was still in his prime. And now he's coaching,
Like that's when you realize your role. But you think
about like Reddick's squared off with Lebron many times he's
played against Anthony Davison's career, he's played against these guys
and like Antonio Pierce, like with the Raiders, another guy
(35:29):
that there are guys that he's probably seeing that he
has played against in the league. What do you think
the dynamic is when you've squared off with the guy,
especially Reddick and Lebron were Reddick and Anthony Davis. The
dynamic there when you then have to listen to that
guy or what you would hope that you're listening to
your coach again. I don't know that's the case with
(35:52):
Lebron James, But what do you think that dynamic actually is?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, right because the way I would explain
it is like this. We just had Father's Day right
a week or two ago, and I was thinking back.
I never wish a lot of my friend's happy Father's
Day because I don't think of him like that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I might have had friends from back in high.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
School or college or years and years ago, and I
think of them like that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I think of them as my friends.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I don't think of them as fathers, even though I
know they are. I don't wish them a happy Father's Day.
Because that's a different dynamic than how I got to
know them. And so if you apply that to coaching,
if you look at JJ Reddick and that might have
been your friend, that might have been someone you respected
(36:42):
or competed against on the basketball floor, on the basketball court,
and now all of a sudden he's your head coach,
you might look at him more as a friend or
more as an opponent than.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Your head coach or your boss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Like a lot of people can relate to that, where
even though you're friend might be multiple things, you primarily
think of them as friends because that's how you became
close to begin with.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, So think about like a job. Whoever's out there
listening right now, think about whatever position you find yourself in.
You have certain people that you associate with at work,
you have friends or whatever. Think of the office. You
have Jim Halper, and you've got Dwight, and you've got
all the people there on the floor, and then you've
got Michael Scott. Then all of a sudden, Jim Halper
becomes the boss. Think about it from Reddick's perspective, not
(37:31):
just from the player's perspective. That's a weird feeling too
like I've been you know, you've been my running buddy
for a long time. But now you better listen to
me because I'm the coach. I have a job to do,
and that's a different responsibility. I don't know how you
command that like that. I think that's a really that's
going to be part of this as well, and that's
not something you can prepare for if you're JJ Reddick.
(37:53):
Not that you shouldn't take a job like this, but
I think there's a lot to this. This is complicated.
It's not simple. Was just come in and coach, Like,
There's a lot that goes into this.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's pretty interesting because a lot of people listening they
might have had a friend who was also a boss
of theirs. Yeah, and there oftentimes is a conversation where
you might be like, all right, Joe whatever, and they're like,
you do have to listen to me, you know, like
I am your boss, And so there's a lot to
cut through with that as far as JJ is concerned.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, except with the Lakers, we all know who the
boss is and it's like, yeah, on the side, boss,
and it never has been this guy got the bag
to be the franchise and says there's no added pressure
on him, but are we buying that. We'll address that
in hour three of the program that's coming up next
Probably the biggest story in sports still even days later.
We'll get to it here in just a moment. It
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dot com the way tire buying should be. I still
think it's the biggest story in sports now. It is. Look,
we do have two champions being crowned tonight. B We've
got the hockey obviously, with coming back from three to zero,
which would be the first time I think that somebody
has come back from three to zero and forced to
game seven in hockey since the forties. Yeah, I think
(00:44):
it was nineteen forty five. Yeah, So that's that's something
in itself, and just the way that the series has
shifted and how dominant the Oilers have been in four
to five and second, and then you have the College
World Series coming down to a winner take all tonight.
After Tennessee Eve did up for one yesterday over Texas
A and M. So you got two champions being crowned tonight.
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That's not bad for June. Like June twenty fourth, NBA
season's already over. It's not a weekend, so it's not
a golf major. Not bad for a Monday night, would
you agree? Oh? No, may have disappeared. I may have
(01:27):
just he may have been so blown away with the
prospects of a June night being this big in sports
that he just disappeared off the face of the planet.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think this means you won the Game seven argument.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I mean, I don't think there was any doubt, especially
not amongst the crew. So we're gonna have to get
Brian No back here momentarily. Usually to me that has
that happened. But I've actually gotten a new setup, so
I feel a little better about my chances of being
here on a consistent basis. We'll bring in Eddie Garcia
(02:01):
into the mix. Who is we talked a little bit
of hockey in our number one. But is this a function,
Eddie of the Oilers just being the better overall team
in the last three games, or is this just kind
of the magic of Connor McDavid finally showing forth because
it does seem like two completely different series have been
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played between one and three and four and six.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
I think the Connor McDavid thing is I mean, that
can't be overstated. And we talked about a little bit
on the Ben Malor Show. You know, stars and hockey
are important, but not as important necessarily as maybe NBA,
where you can have a star player who can take
over a game and play a significant number of minutes
things like that. It's not just it's not quite that
(02:44):
in hockey. But when you look at the first three
games in Connor McDavid not scoring a point and then
he has back to back four point games, which had
never been done in the history of the Finals, I mean,
it's pretty obvious. It's pretty evident that yes, his his
turning all on and becoming and showing you know what
he is during most of the regular season one of
(03:05):
the most dominant players in hockey. That's obviously been a
huge factor. I think the special teams have been a
huge factor as well. Same thing. First three games, no
power play goals for Edmonton, and then in these last
three games they've scored a couple of shorthanded.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Goals and power play goals.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So it's and that's been a big thing they've used
all season long to have a success and turn their
season around after starting off pretty slow. So I think
McDavid turning it on and their special teams getting going
are a big reason why it's flipped.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well it's good. Well, all it takes is one more
for Florida. So I don't know which stories, but I
don't even know which story is better. I was thinking
about this over the weekend. Is it more compelling to
come back from three to zero down and not finish?
Does that make a better thirty for thirty? Then coming
back from three to zero down, guys and actually ending
up for to three and winning the thing?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, winning, it's better?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
If the Red Sox came back to force a Game
seven against the Yankees in what was it four and
then lost Game seven, there's no documentary about that. But
because they came back from three to zero and won
the series, it's one of the biggest stories in baseball history.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, you know, I think that that's the perfect way
to argue it that Red Sox point I won the
Game seven argument, like clearly in our one the Game
seven versus super Bowl argument, there's no I think it's
one hundred percent on my side, and you just weighed
me on this one.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Okay, I'm glad. I'm glad that I swayed you on
that one. But super fast, the super Bowl is the
biggest event by miles, How are we judging this?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
I keep you on here.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
I don't want to belabor it, but just real fast
as a fear again, I.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Just don't think biggest means it's the best. The biggest
box office motion picture of the year is often not
anywhere close to the best movie that was released that year.
I don't think Taylor Swift's album is the best album
of twenty twenty four, But ask yourself, why is it
close to dwarfing it?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Right? But why is in sporting events? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
It's not like an album, it's not a movie, it's
not a one off. It's every single year, every single year,
we get the super Bowl, right, every single year we
get all these other sporting events. Most years we get
Game sevens. So why ask yourself? Why is the super
Bowl consistently the biggest event, the biggest attraction Because it
(05:23):
gets the most intrigue, it gets the most entertainment value,
it has the biggest.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Build up, We're talking about it for two weeks.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It has the highest ratings by far, It's the biggest
event by freaking miles. And someone wants to tell me
that Game seven are the two best words in sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
No, they aren't. They aren't super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Here's why game Here's another quick argument. I think one
of the reasons why Game seven are those are the
two best words in sports and not super Bowl is
because by the time you get to a Game seven,
you generally have seen that you're gonna have a good matchup.
You generally have seen that there's something compelling and a
story that's been told over a week or two, six games,
(06:03):
a story, different chapters in that book, gone back and forth.
You've seen highs and lows for both teams. Sometimes it's
even better than that, and everybody's playing at a high level,
and somebody makes a shot a few times in a
row and you end up in a Game seven, whereas
with the super Bowl you never know you're right. It's
definitely become a better event on the field. But the
reason why the Super Bowl is so big largely escapes
(06:26):
football and is about halftime and ads and all these
other things, and some of that has shifted, and I'm
glad that the games have become better, But I mean,
my favorite weekend in the NFL's Divisional Round weekend is
not even close. You get a little bit more football,
but you still have playoff teams. You're close to the end,
but you're not quite to the end. I just I
think that Game seven usually indicates, Okay, we've got a
(06:50):
really solid matchup here, because these guys have gone at
it against each other for a couple of weeks, as
opposed to, well, here's the team that came out of
this conference and the team that came out of this conference,
and sometimes that's completely out of whack and there's no balance,
and it's two teams you don't care about. And I
do think this is subjective, right, Not every Game seven
is a Game seven the same way. But you do
(07:10):
know in all these events, including the Super Bowl, you're
gonna have a champion crowd at the end of it,
which it's just a good And I was saying this
as you've dropped off. It's not bad for a Monday
in June after the NBA season to have, you know,
College World Series winner take all and a Stanley Cup
winner take all game on a random Monday night, Like
that's not too shabby.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Oh, I'm fired up for it.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
The only thing my small gripe, I wish they were
on two separate nights. I'm gonna have this side by
side TV action going on because I'm excited for both events,
but I would like my undivided attention on one game.
You know, like you just said, it's June, it's late June.
If this was like Monday night Stanley Cup Final Tuesday
(07:51):
night College World Series, It's like that works out better.
But we get the side by side action tonight, which
is fine. But if I could have it my way,
I would have.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
It on two separate nights. That everything's perfect, though, No,
you can't always have it your way.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
I mean, there will be other sporting of it you
could watch tomorrow. There'll be some baseball, There'll be some
basketball being played WNBA basketball and things like that. There'll
be something if you can't tear yourself away for an evening.
But yeah, so the biggest story in sports, I would say,
is still the same thing that it's been now for
not quite a week. Because you could go back to
(08:27):
the NBA Finals and talk about that, But I don't
know that that was a particularly compelling series that had
a particularly compelling result, And I don't know how many
like grand takes there are, even though I think maybe
the next segment we can get into you know, what
does this mean for the Eastern Conference and who's in
a position to actually challenge Boston if anybody, But I
(08:47):
think it's still JJ Reddy. I think that's still probably
the most interesting thing that's happening in sports. And soon
as the finals ends and he's done with TV, then
here it comes. And just the way that this all
laid out, with the the WOJ bomb that wasn't and
everything happened with the athletic and they got dragged, it
(09:07):
felt like we I look back on it now, Brian,
the conspiracy theorist in me, says, Woljaiski didn't like the
fact that Sham's got that scoop. They don't like each
other because they're constantly competing and they're both uber competitive,
and there've been articles written about how neither one of
them has lives because they can't afford to have life
because of the possibility of breaking news and all these
other kinds of things. So I still got didn't feel
(09:30):
like WOJ almost dropped that out of nowhere that Danny
Hurley deal to try and take something off of Scham's
less than twenty four hours before that, saying Reddick was
nearing a deal and it ends up being Reddick anyway.
I don't think many people know Yukon as deeply as
my broadcast partner on Saturday, who's an alumni as well
(09:51):
as just you know, college basketball is how he's made
his hey pretty much his entire career. And he said
he never thought for a second that Danny Hurley was
going anywhere, and he thought it was a story that
had no legitimacy from the get go.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Hmmm, yeah, I'd still think it's a monster story.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I just look at this with Reddick being with the Lakers,
and the question that I have in my mind, Jason,
is what would any coach like You could put Spolstra
there with the Lakers. You could put Pop there with
the Lakers, you could put Tyloo there with the Lakers
with the roster.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
That they have.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
And I don't want to make it out to be trash,
because it's certainly not. You've got Lebron still playing at
a high level. Anthony Davis, you got some decent role players,
but holes on the roster, and in a loaded West,
absolutely loaded, what do you think the best head coaches
could do with that roster? I think the lakers ceiling
(10:49):
would be conference finals, and that might be generous. It's
most likely second round. They lost in the first round,
granted to the defending champion Nuggets, but think about the
Nuggets lost to the Timberwolves, the Timberwolves lost to the MAVs,
the MAVs lost to the Celtics. So if you look
at it from that perspective, the Lakers are far away
(11:11):
with the roster they have from doing significant damage in
the playoffs. And so that's where I come in where
I hear all this stuff of like, what's up with Reddick?
He hasn't even been an assistant coach and he's a
head coach.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I hear that.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
But the way the season's gonna play out, the Lakers
are gonna have some good moments and then they're not
gonna do jack in the playoffs, assuming they're there because
they were a play in team last season. But I
look at it, I don't think this is a Reddick thing.
I think this is a roster thing, and I think
some of the best head coaches in the game they
wouldn't be able to do wonders with this Laker roster either.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
No, I agree with that. I mean there was maybe
a sea average if you were just trying to look
at it from like a GPA standpoint. The Lakers are
like a cuscus, Like they're not an f But you
talk about a loaded West, not just loaded West, but
a loaded young West. Yeah, guys that are in their
prime were just now entering their prime. And then you
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have your two best players with the Lakers. Ones often
hurt and he's not exactly a spring chicken, and the
other one is, you know, the elder statesman of the league,
who's just gonna he's but he's still gonna be out
of there pretty soon. Reddick has to know coming in
that this is going to take time. And then the
question is how much time is he going to be granted,
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especially after Lebron leaves, because you will never convince me
that Lebron was not involved in that coaching search. When
it ends up being his podcast host that ends up
getting that job, I just I don't see it. And
then that leads to another question that I'm gonna throw
out there, and then we can go to break and
we can come back and we can address this side
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of the issue as it relates to Reddick and the Lakers.
Is the guy that co hosts the podcast, gonna listen
to the guy that hosts the podcast. The one in
the suit is the one in the in the basketball uniform?
Gonna listen to the one in the suit because I
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I'm Jason Martin. Welcome back here Fox Sports Radio. You
see Travis Kelcey on stage with oh Man Taylor Swift
at Wimbley Yeah, or maybe not see it, but see
coverage of it.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Oh I Jason. I stream all these concerts live. You
kidding me?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Big into the Rors Tour, are you?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Mantrous moment, man, It kills me how somebody, just not
even Taylor Swift, will post a video of Taylor Swift
one hundred thousand likes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
I'm like, that's that's powerful, right there.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
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Speaker 2 (14:55):
Good for her? She is uber popular.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, I don't know if it's good for society, But yeah,
good for that. Do you know this week is the
NBA Draft.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, we got a two night event.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
This is the only time that that makes any sense,
right because you've got a you've got a two month event.
We're gonna get back to Reddick here, but I think
we can actually bridge pretty easily right there from this
two night event for the NBA Draft sounds insane, Like,
I understand you want to make it a television product,
but how many second rounds the NBA Draft have ever
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been good? And increasingly less so because like most of
the top ten, a lot of them are gonna be
guys from the G League and overseas no one's ever
heard of before. This is not like the NFL Draft.
It's not made for television. A lot of them have
been just dreadful in recent years. But the most like
noteworthy player in this draft by far is going to
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be a second round pick. So you actually have a
reason for there to be a second night because it's
all going to be about the son of Lebron James.
Your thoughts on the Brownie experience going into the week
that he is assuredly going to be drafted because of
his last name.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Yeah, that's a good point, right, It's most years it's
not gonna be a sexy sales pitch to like, Hey,
round one was tonight, but tomorrow night Round two?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Huh check it out.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, no one's.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Watching that that interesting.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
But yeah, this season for sure, This year for sure
with Bronnie James, because there is huge intrigue because obviously
he's Lebron's son. It's not his game, it's not his credentials,
it's you know, who his dad is and where he
ends up going. So yeah, that is compelling. That's different
than most years because outside of having Bronnie James in
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this draft, your sales pitch would be, Hey, Jokich, right,
Draymond Jalen Brunson. We've had some second round gems, but
it's a needle in a haystack when you get into
that territory.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's right. Also, like the names that you just mentioned,
it's not like the day they were drafted was a
great entertainment product, right, Like, it's not like Jokic remember
that draft? No, not really? Well I remember Jokic becoming good.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah, I just remember it because it gets posted again
and again where he was drafted during a commercial. It
was a Taco Bell commercial. They weren't even live when
Jokic got drafted. It was a non story at the
time to your point, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
For some reason, I thought when you were going to
Taco Bell, you were going something about him being dowe,
something about Jokic. Just wait, I thought we were going
in a different direction there. I'm glad that. I'm glad
that we pulled it back out of the gutter. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
If I went Taco Bell, I would talk about three
crunchy tacos and how Baja Blast is significantly overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
But that has.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Nothing to do with Jokic, And you know, we would
be off on a side tangent there.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
We know what he wants that.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yeah, do you think? Yeah, definitely. Side tangents and radio
never a good thing, were always a good thing. Do
you think JJ Reddick's looking forward to coaching Bronnie? Uh?
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Wow, Okay, so we've fast forward to the Lakers. They
are definitely getting Bronnie?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Is that I sure think so? I mean, you tell
me what's your percentage right now of feeling that the
Lakers are going to take that second round pick unless
somebody beats them to the punch. That hypothetical Dan Patrick
throughout last week. I just thought was fun of the
Mavericks doing it because they know inherently that Lebron's itching
to play with Kyrie again, so they go draft Bronnie.
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They've already got Kyrie, and then Lebron's just like, you know,
pay me a dollar. Yeah, come in and pay and
let's go win a championship together. I get to play
with my son, I get to play with my favorite
running buddy and just dare him and see if you
could force the issue. I think that's a fun thing.
I don't think it's going to happen, but what well,
give me a percentage on what you think the Lakers
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will do in the second round.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Well, if Bronnie is there on the board and you're
on the clock, how do you take the you know,
the shooting guard from Europe right like over Ronnie James.
If he's on the board, they pretty much have to
take him.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
But that is pretty interesting with another team.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
If you talk about just dangling a carrot and saying, hey,
we got Bronnie lebron you know you want to play
alongside him, be a pretty cool story, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Think about the Griffies, how awesome was that?
Speaker 6 (19:27):
You know?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
So, yeah, I'm curious if another team does that. I'm
curious if another team sees real value. I know Paul
George said this and it was ridiculous the other week
where he was like, hey, Bronnie James could could be
like Drew Holliday.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, that's so insane.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Drew Holiday is an amazing player.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, he was great in college too. Bronnie wasn't that either, Like, yes,
it started out kind of slow because he had the
health scare, which luckily it seems like he's fully recovered from.
And it's not about him as a guy, like apparently
all his teammates loved him at USC. He's a great
young man. This isn't about that at all. But Drew
Holliday was a star in college. Yeah, a star, and
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he's a champion now. I know.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
He's a really really good player.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
It's funny too, because I looked at because when Alex
Caruso got traded to the thumb.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Very excited about that, by the way, from my thunder.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Really good move, really solid move, love it, And I
was just comparing.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
I wanted to do a little you know, check.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
He always like check your work with your math teacher
back in the day.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yes, I want to check my work.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Well, yeah, because I'm like, that's sort of like the
poor man's Drew Holliday, and that's that's not even that accurate.
On the defensive end, yes, Alex Caruso was fantastic. He's
All Defense second Team just like Drew Holliday. But offensively
it's not even close. You had Caruso he averaged double
figures for the first time in his career this past season,
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averaged about ten points. Drew Holliday has averaged double jit
digits for fourteen of his fifteen NBA seasons. You know
what I mean, Like, Drew Holliday on the offensive end
is way better than Alex Caruso. Defensively comparable, not offensively
all around player. Drew Holliday is fantastic. Ronnie James has
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virtually no chance to be as good as Drew Holliday
in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think it does him
any favors to compare him to Drew Holliday or anybody else.
And I'm not sure what Paul George's angle is in
saying that, but yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to
actually watch what Bronnie James does on the floor. But
we know right now he's not an NBA player, but
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he's gonna get an opportunity because of who his dad is.
And I've told you this before, I feel a little
sorry for him. I know that sounds crazy because he's
gonna get to playing the NBA and maybe doesn't deserve
it at this stage, but nothing he does is ever
going to be judged fair. Yeah, no matter what, Like
I I wish he was good, Like I wish he
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would come in and be good for his sake and well,
I mean, it's gonna be better entertainment, but I would
it would be so much easier if it didn't feel
like pure nepotism, Like if he was totally deserving, then
I think it would change things. Even if he's never
gonna be as good as his dad, and no one's
ever gonna expect that. But I think a lot of
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people are just gonna wait to see this fall because
they have a problem with Lebron. It's not even gonna
have anything to do with Bronnie, but he's never gonna
get a fair shake from the people that love Lebron
and just are total sick of fans for him, and
then the flip side that want to see this crash
and burn.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Because you might remember a few months ago, Austin Rivers
had something to say about Bronnie James and he compared
it to his situation when he played for his dad,
Doc Rivers was the head coach, and he was like, yeah,
I hope that Ronnie plays somewhere else than being a
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teammate of his dad lebron where he's like, it's just
gonna be judged unfairly. He's completely right. We're not going
to look at Bronnie as just this guy who played
a little bit at USC and now he's in the
NBA and he's trying to figure it out and carve
out a niche. We're gonna look at every little thing
and say, man, what's up with that, and what's up
(23:23):
with that? And why not this? And what We're gonna
be really hard to please and we aren't gonna judge
him fairly.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
That's unfortunate. I hate that.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
But the added pressure that would come along with, you know,
being teammates with your dad, it isn't all good.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
I know.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
We romanticize that, and we think of Ken Griffyr with
Junior on the bench and they're laughing and they're having
a great time, and we think about, Ah, that'd be
awesome playing alongside your dad, and not everything is roses.
You know, there's a significant downside with that if that
does end up being the case for Bronni.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, and again if your like talent level is more
commensurate than it works out. But like, so, my dad
coached some of my Little League teams. Well I stunk.
That's why I host radio instead of actually playing. But
at the same time, you know, if I'm getting minutes,
or if I'm getting time, or if I'm getting extra
attention that my play doesn't warrant, that's just gonna make
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me a target for anybody, for other parents, for other players,
for all of this kind of stuff. So nothing Brownie
does on the floor is gonna, I think, have much
It's not gonna have much interest. It's gonna be about
everything else, and it's gonna be interesting to watch it
actually play out. I also think you talk about playing
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for your dad, what about playing for a guy who
you played against? How does that work? Especially when you
also host a podcast. With him.
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Speaker 1 (25:03):
I'm watching these highlights right now of the sky Fever game. Yeah,
Angel Reese, Like she scored fifteen points in the last
eleven twenty five of the game, and none of them
were like fun to watch. Yeah, that's the thing. Like
she and she's like, you know, dancing on the floor
and all this stuff and good, I mean her like
character and charisma and all that kind of stuff that's
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going to carry her somewhere. And it does make her fun.
But layups are not fun, like rebound and put backs,
that's not I don't know that you need to be
shimmying and doing that too often when it's so fundamental.
It's like getting excited because of Tim Duncan's brand of basketball.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's like an elbow jumper off the glass.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
And yeah, it's like she's effective. I give her credit,
like she had a great game yesterday. Question, But it's
just the bread. The style is. It's only gonna be
so compelling when you play the position she plays and Look,
this is just why I brought it up, Like the
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popularity thing, Why is it that Caitlin Clark is so
popular and some other players aren't a lot of it
is just stylistically. There's something that makes you go whoa
when someone hits a logo three. It's not gonna make
you say whoa. If even in like the final minute,
it was a great move by Angel she got a
(26:26):
huge bucket, but it's not gonna wow you the same
way when it's four feet away.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
If that, you know what I mean, It's just a
different deal there.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Okay, so I'm gonna pay this off now Lebron James.
Do you think Lebron James is going to listen to
JJ Reddick?
Speaker 4 (26:44):
I think initially unless they don't have great success, and
then it's going to start to become a tune out
because it's all production based.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
You know.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I think that he absolutely respects his basketball intellect and
all of that. But if the Lakers aren't having success
and he doesn't see things being different or being better,
I think he's gonna go back to man, nothing's changed.
You know, this guy isn't turning water into wine and
(27:16):
it'll be a two knot so I think it's tied
to how much success do the Lakers have, fair or not,
Because if the Lakers are having great success, I think
Lebron's like, all right, this JJ Reddick guy great. If
they aren't, it's like it's a dime a dozen. He's
had a lot of head coaches that didn't make a difference.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, so you're in a let's say they're in a
time out there in a huddle, there's a play called
Lebron wants to go a different way. You think he's
gonna be all right, JJ, you're the coach, Yeah right,
I don't. I think it's like he looks at it,
He's like, JJ, men, you know, we're boys. I gotta
go do my thing, and it's gonna be this play.
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And I think that's that that just that kind of
mesh or lack thereof is going to be intriguing. And
you're right, if it doesn't go well out of the box.
How much does that shift the other narrative that I
want to talk about when it comes to Reddick, And
it seems like I'm hearing this more and more. I'm
not worried about Reddick. I'm not concerned about him at all,
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it's gonna be the staff that he puts around him.
I have no doubt in JJ Reddick's ability to coach,
and all this, well why not. I'm not suggesting that
he can't. He may come in and be great, but
is it not fair to at least be skeptical when
we've never seen him do it. Just because he's brilliant
at it doesn't mean he's going to walk in and
be a great head coach. That's like saying that we're
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sure that Michael Jordan was gonna be a great head
coach or somebody else in a sport, like Tom Brady's
gonna go be the greatest NFL coach of all time
because X, Y and Z, because of what he did
on the floor. Like, Reddick had a really nice career
in the NBA as a role player, but I think
he ended up getting more out of his career than
many thought he was going to. I do think that
he had a really good NBA career, and he's shown
(28:57):
that he's got chops in the media. I don't think
he was good in the booth. He knew he wasn't
good in the booth and may have tuned it out
at some point, But I think, like on TV as
a talking head a podcast, oh sure, I see a
lot of value there. But when you just kind of
blanket tell me I'm not concerned, I don't think he
should be very concerned about JJ Reddick at all. Well,
I think he should be just as concerned as anybody
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else you've never seen do it. I don't think you
need to give him any more of the benefit of
the doubt because anybody that says, oh, he's for sure
going to be better than Darvin Ham, well no, like
there's absolutely zero evidence to back that up. Even if
you think Darvin Ham is the worst coach you've ever seen,
we still have no idea what Reddick's going to be.
I'm not suggesting again, be that for sure he's going
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to be a disaster. Matter of fact, he at fifty
to fifty shot. I think is fair because we don't know.
But to act like it's not okay to be skeptical
of this or it's actually about this thing and this thing,
it's not really about Reddick, okay, but it is kind
of about Reddick because he's never coached above like youth basketball,
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he hasn't been on an NBA bench, just because he
played in the league doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna be
a great I mean, Darvin Ham played in the league.
I mean a lot of dudes who have played in
the league they couldn't coach, And a lot of dudes
that haven't played in the league they couldn't coach. I
just think that like the rush to defend it and say, oh, well,
there's a high reward here. Well, there's a high reward
anybody you coach if they come in and win. There
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was a lot of risk in hiring Dabo Swiney at Clemson.
They start winning and then you see the high reward.
It's all about what he's actually gonna do, And to
this point he hasn't done anything. So I don't know
why we need to just blanket say everything's gonna be
fine with JJ Reddick based on.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
What Yeah, well I think. Listen, it's a really hard
job to ease into. This is not like your first
head coaching job in the NBA and you're with the
Charlotte Hornets and most people are just not even paying attention.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
This is the Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Lakers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
And this is Lebron James. This is as bright as
a spotlight as you can have on yourself. And I
just think of Jason Kidd, right Jason Kidd didn't have
any coaching experience, who went straight to being a head
coach in the NBA. And think about his first season
with the Brooklyn Nets, and remember when he was like
acting like he was drinking something and spilled it on
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the court so I could buy some time. And this
whole thing, like if you interviewed Jason Kidd right now,
who was just in the finals against the Boston Celtics,
and how much he's learned as an NBA head coach
from twenty thirteen when it was his first gig with
the Nets till now this past season with the MAVs.
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I'm sure he's learned a ton because it's more than
just x's and o's. JJ Reddick knows the game, but
think of Phil Jackson with the Bulls and the Lakers,
and it's not just the triangle in x'es and o's.
It's managing egos. It's got all that other stuff that
goes along with it. And JJ Reddick's a smart guy,
but he has a ton to learn on the fly
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as an NBA learning on.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
The job as Laker's head coach seems like a thing
that shouldn't happen like that. Yeah, that seems that seems crazy.
And you mentioned Jason Kidd, Well, I'll throw Steve Nash
at you. Like Steve Nash, you know, great basketball mind,
tons of respect. Just didn't really work, did it. Like
the egos and everything, it didn't really work. I think
there's also something interesting, and maybe we can talk about
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a little bit on flip side, because I know we're
getting close to this break, but I feel like it
has to be sort of a different dynamic and it
would have to be weird, and I know it happens,
and we're seeing it happen. You mentioned Kid, and we
talked about Nash, but I mean Lebron James and others
on that team have played against the guy that's now
their head coach.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, it's not like father figure. You know, this guy
that is sixty years old, he's been wearing the same
suit for twenty years and stuff. It's like, no, they're contemporaries. Yeah,
like they've played in the same era of basketball. That
to me is another thing worthy of explorations. So let's
do that after the break. Let's get to the break.
Now we'll come back. We'll discuss a little bit more
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You know, and you tie your sweater around your waist
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The voices you were just doing pretty sure those don't
replicate how anyone talks.
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It might be surprised to go to a follow up
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that the same band that they had the college football anthem?
That's them, right, Yes, Centuries So they've got a couple
of songs that are pretty good. That song in particular
sounded like what I was describing though.
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Like I said, I'm they're like them up Up Up?
Is that them? Also?
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I'm yeah, that's a good song.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. I like other songs better than that. But anyway,
Riddick and Lebron James, we were talking about this before
the break, what do you think the dynamic is? And
we're increasingly seeing it. This is how I know I'm
getting old is I'm watching dudes coaching now that I
also saw their entire career in college Like before, like
I knew who they were and it wasn't like, oh yeah,
(35:08):
I was two years old and that guy was playing.
So no, I traded for him in Madden fifteen man
and he was still in his prime. And now he's coaching,
Like that's when you realize your role. But you think
about like Reddick's squared off with Lebron many times he's
played against Anthony Davison's career, he's played against these guys
and like Antonio Pierce, like with the Raiders, another guy
(35:29):
that there are guys that he's probably seeing that he
has played against in the league. What do you think
the dynamic is when you've squared off with the guy,
especially Reddick and Lebron were Reddick and Anthony Davis. The
dynamic there when you then have to listen to that
guy or what you would hope that you're listening to
your coach again. I don't know that's the case with
(35:52):
Lebron James, But what do you think that dynamic actually is?
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, it's interesting, right because the way I would explain
it is like this. We just had Father's Day right
a week or two ago, and I was thinking back.
I never wish a lot of my friend's happy Father's
Day because I don't think of him like that.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I might have had friends from back in high.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
School or college or years and years ago, and I
think of them like that.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I think of them as my friends.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I don't think of them as fathers, even though I
know they are. I don't wish them a happy Father's Day.
Because that's a different dynamic than how I got to
know them. And so if you apply that to coaching,
if you look at JJ Reddick and that might have
been your friend, that might have been someone you respected
(36:42):
or competed against on the basketball floor, on the basketball court,
and now all of a sudden he's your head coach,
you might look at him more as a friend or
more as an opponent than.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Your head coach or your boss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Like a lot of people can relate to that, where
even though you're friend might be multiple things, you primarily
think of them as friends because that's how you became
close to begin with.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, So think about like a job. Whoever's out there
listening right now, think about whatever position you find yourself in.
You have certain people that you associate with at work,
you have friends or whatever. Think of the office. You
have Jim Halper, and you've got Dwight, and you've got
all the people there on the floor, and then you've
got Michael Scott. Then all of a sudden, Jim Halper
becomes the boss. Think about it from Reddick's perspective, not
(37:31):
just from the player's perspective. That's a weird feeling too
like I've been you know, you've been my running buddy
for a long time. But now you better listen to
me because I'm the coach. I have a job to do,
and that's a different responsibility. I don't know how you
command that like that. I think that's a really that's
going to be part of this as well, and that's
not something you can prepare for if you're JJ Reddick.
(37:53):
Not that you shouldn't take a job like this, but
I think there's a lot to this. This is complicated.
It's not simple. Was just come in and coach, Like,
There's a lot that goes into this.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
It's pretty interesting because a lot of people listening they
might have had a friend who was also a boss
of theirs. Yeah, and there oftentimes is a conversation where
you might be like, all right, Joe whatever, and they're like,
you do have to listen to me, you know, like
I am your boss, And so there's a lot to
cut through with that as far as JJ is concerned.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, except with the Lakers, we all know who the
boss is and it's like, yeah, on the side, boss,
and it never has been this guy got the bag
to be the franchise and says there's no added pressure
on him, but are we buying that. We'll address that
in hour three of the program that's coming up next
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