November 29, 2024 • 39 mins
The guys discuss the ongoing parody happening towards the end of the college football season and how that’ll impact the Conference Championship games & some questions they have regarding some NFL and college teams.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Just an update, Matt Everfluse has not been terminated yet
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears. That's something
we will update in every segment going forward until it changes,
because I keep refreshing all the major websites to see
if it's happened yet, because I'm still kind of stunned.
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He's Brian, now I am Jason Martin, and b I'm serious.
We're gonna keep updating this because I'm not positive that
it won't change before the end of the show. I
know we're about to talk some college football and more
things going into the weekend, but we just got to
reset it again. Like Thanksgivings had two of the worst
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endings and two of the most memorable endings you'll ever see.
I don't know that this one was quite as bad
as Leon let Well with Don Beebe in that famous
Bears or Bill's Cowboys game from so many years ago,
where he held the ball down and got knocked out
before he got a cross and end up losing the game.
But a head coach being this bafflingly just unprepared, and
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something else we didn't talk about. Did you notice the
play where Caleb Williams got sacked. Did you realize that
they didn't seem to understand that the Lions were going
to blitz them be right, and so they had five
guys trying to block seven. Caleb Williams is getting murdered
out there all season long, just getting absolutely hammered. You
could say he's holding the ball too long here and
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there and all this. Okay, that's fine, but that o
lion is not very good. And they didn't seem to
understand that Dan Campbell was going to send the house,
that Aaron Glenn was going to send the house, and
so that put the quarterback in a bad spot before
then the coach then didn't help him out.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, there are so many layers to that. Where they
were in field goal range worked, You're kicking a game
tying field goal and going to overtime.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
That should have been at worst for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
And yet they take a sack and then they just
let the time run off the clock and they had
basically one desperation deep ball to try to bail them
out and that didn't work out. So, yeah, it's bad.
It's a bad job. Thomas Brown took over as the
play caller. You know, it's a bad job of protecting
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Caleb Williams. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams taking
a sack. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams letting
the clock tack all the way down. It's a bad
job by Matt Eberflus not calling time out and helping
out his quarterback and new play caller.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
It's just a bad job all the way around.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And I like it You're on Eberflus watch because we
know the pink slip is coming, and it's just a
matter of when not if.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If it's not, then everyone associated with the franchise needs
to receive the same pink slip from somebody. Like at
some point somebody has to be the adult in the
room there, and I'm not sure, well, actually i am.
I am certain it is not the head coach, so
we can't.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You know what, Real fast though, Jason, real fast, Like,
think about that, this was a four and two team.
The Bears have lost six straight. It just shows you
how long the NFL season is. But this is a
four and two team where you're thinking, hey, man, could
they mess around and be a wild card team? Then
six weeks later you're like, oh, yeah, no, Matt Ebraflut's
gonna be out of a job very shortly. I'm surprised
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he isn't already, but it can change very very quickly
in the NFL for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well mean you talk about mess around, but they did
mess around. They found out you can't mess around, that's right,
and end up getting to the wild card. Like That's
the thing that's amazing is that you could look at
this and say, oh, but they've been so close and
look at them fighting and all that sort stuff. Right,
the thing that's stopping them is the idiocy on the sidelines, yeah,
and the lack of accountability. Then that then translates on
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the field to guys not being focused, guys not being prepared,
and guys not being in being put in position to succeed.
So all of that adds up to the record that
they have any competent coach right now, we probably have
them at seven and five.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Right, Yeah, you would think, yeah, this is a team
that they've got talent, they've got real pieces to work with,
and the ways that they've lost, they should absolutely have
a winning record right now, and they're not even close.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
They're a four and eight football team. Think about that.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They are four and two at one point, they're four
and eight now, and the way they've lost some of
those games, that's at worst they should have split those
six games. You know, like I'd say, at worst two
and four where you're five hundred, right now, that's at
worst because two of those losses, you know, the Hail
Mary was despicable, and then who knows what happens from that.
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If you win that game against Washington, maybe you don't
get dusted the next week by the Arizona Cardinals. Right,
there's a snowball effect. So yeah, it's just a calamity
for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah. And I mean you even have some of these
like very classy people in football coming out after matth Yeah,
is one of the classiest dudes in the NFL this century,
and he said that's a massive fail.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
On television, describing Matt Eberflus, Jimmy Johnson said, he's been
in football for over three decades, Brian, and he's never
seen a coaching staff basically stop his football team from
potentially winning a game.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That's not Matt Eberflus. His little assessment is, oo, we
handled it the right way.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
How you know, you know how the Bear should handle
it the right way. This should for his own sake,
send him away. Yes, you have today, Like I don't
know that he can coach again, but we'll see we've
seen stranger things and I don't know where you go.
But I also don't think that firing Robert Salah was
going to fix the Jets, right Like, these in season
moves are basically indicators that this season is over. But
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we still want to tell the fans that we understand
and we hear them, and so that might be the
same circumstance that we're gonna get here.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Could be. Could be. I like that you're on Eberflu's watch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You know it's gonna keeping it updated every couple of minutes.
I'm just refreshing and see if that breaking news pops
up here on Black Friday and it turns out to
be that Black Monday thing. But they don't wait until
the end of the season to get it done. Big
weekend in college football, your Notre Dame squad, but to
go lose to USC, whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Say, Mark, are you calling your shot here?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, I've watched USC this year. Yeah, No, I do
not think. I don't know how good Notre Dame is
when you stack them up against the best teams, because
we just haven't seen college football is weird this year anyway,
just in terms of you got the twelve teams, So
when you see a loss, you're not sure exactly how
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much it means. You've got a three loss Alabama team
where there's at least some talk that they can still
find their way into the twelve. All of these things
are out there. How do you feel entering this weekend
when you just kind of look at the rankings, look
at how the college football playoff scenario has everything set up?
Right now? Are you side eyeing anything in particular right now?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
My whole thing is just who screws up a playoff spot?
You know, like Ole Miss did last week and they
had a great path to being a playoff team and
they just they ain't get it done at Florida. So
the first things first for me is like who gets
into the playoff and some of these teams that have
an inside track to get there, who wets themselves and
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screws that up? And then just big picture wise, like
who ends up winning this thing? And there isn't a
team that in former years like recent years, like Georgia.
You knew Georgia was the team to beat and it's
gonna be really hard to beat them. There isn't that
team this year where you're like, that's the Goliath. There's
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a lot more parody in college football than we're used to,
which I think is a great thing. So if you
look at you started with Notre like, Notre Dame has
a real defense, they have a good running game. I
don't like their passing game at all. I think that
maybe they win a game, maybe two. I don't think
they really challenge to win a championship. But if there's
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ever a year for a team to surprise you, I
think it's this year because the top teams aren't as
dominant and haven't separated themselves the way other years have
played out.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So with that a.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Lot more parody, I think it makes it more interesting
where you get more teams in the playoff, and I
think you have a lot more possibilities for upsets or
deeper runs from teams that you would say, really that team.
I think the ingredients are there for possibly that to
happen this year.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean I agree with the parody argument. I
also think that because of your other point about there
not being that one team you look at and just
say that team's gonna beat everybody, I think that you
can argue that there are several of these teams that
could get on the right streak, get hot enough and
find a way. So I think that makes it more exciting.
And then when I even when I'm asked, you know
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who's the best team in the SEC, it's just like, well,
the old mist team to beat Georgia, or the Alabama
team to beat Georgia, or the Tennessee team to beat Alabama,
but not the version of them that you've seen in
other weeks where Alabama's lost to Vanderbilt, or the game
that I have my eye on tomorrow. For some reason,
I think george is going to struggle against Georgia Tech. Interesting,
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Georgia Tech's been kind of a weird team this year
in terms of they have played above their heads a
few times, and they certainly are on the right path
going forward. It feels like and that's this Georgia team's
been ultimate jecking high. There have been times they look
flat bad and Carson Beck hasn't looked like he should
be a starting quarterback. And there's other times where Carson
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Beck looks like she should be a top five pick
any NFL draft. So what version of this team? And
I think that's true across college football. It's like, what
version of these teams are you going to get? If
you get the best version of Notre Dame, what's that ceiling?
If you get the best version of Ohio State, I
think they win at all if you get that all
the way through. If you get the best version of Oregon, yeah,
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they're probably gonna win at all. If you get the
best version of Texas, could win at all. But I
do think that there is a recipe for just pure chaos.
I think the most unlikely scenario, just based on the
way this season has gone, is that tomorrow is chalk
and that this twelve team playoff is chalk.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, if you just look at just say the top
five teams, maybe a little bit more, just to think
about how the playoff could play out, Right, you look
at Oregon. Oregon has been good, but they haven't been
dominant at all. There have been a lot of games
where you're like, they're just doing enough to win, which
is fine, but it makes you wonder how high is
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their ceiling really, because there have been a lot of
games where a watch and they win, but they sleepwalk
through the second half, and I'm like, so are they
just sleepwalking against UCLA or Michigan State because it's UCLA
or Michigan State, or is this just kind of them
you know what I mean? Like do they have that
extra gear where playoff time they just kick it into
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overdrive and you're like, oh, okay, that was there the
whole time. We just didn't know it. I mean maybe
Ohio State very very talented. We know what they bring
to the table. But then you look at the rest
of the top five. Texas, I hate the way Texas
plays offense.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Jason.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's like these jink and dunk little Let's get it
out in space and make these guys tackle.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
These defenses tackle in space. I like that approach.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
If you have a dominant running game, you know what
I mean, you kind of sprinkle it in with a
dominant running game.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
They don't have that. I just I hate their offense
how they approach it.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Penn State, they barely beat USC on the road, right,
there was an overtime game. Do you trust James Franklin
in big games? Notre Dame, you trust their passing game.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Look at Miami.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Miami just lost to the Georgia Tech team you were
talking about, like they have no defense.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
They play no one it's like who do you trust?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Like, you look at the top of the rankings and
there are warts with a lot of these teams in
more than enough reason not to trust them come playoff time.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Look, I think that's all right, And I think that
there is no fan base that should feel comfortable going
into even tomorrow. None, because no one has distinguished themselves
beyond reproach. There's just not that team. Like I've stayed
had and beat Michigan in a while. That Michigan team
shouldn't be able to compete with them, but they do
play defense, and if they ugly it up, yeah, you
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just you'd never know. It's a rivalry game. There's a
lot of crazy stuff. I don't anticipate it, but Ryan
Day has found ways to lose to Michigan in the
last handful of years, so keep your eye on it.
And then again, I already mentioned Georgia and Georgia Tech.
And then you've got Clemson that can somehow get in
despite having basically nothing impressive done this year except getting
stomped by Georgia in the second half of their opener.
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But they go beat South Carolina and somehow that's a
thing South Carolina could ease in and South Carolina. Really
they've had a couple of bad finishes to games where
they've been right on the doorstep and haven't quite been
able to close it. They're really good and really dangerous,
but I don't know that that's a thing that should happen.
Then you look at Ole Miss and Alabama, you look
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at it in Tennessee, and you look at all of them,
and you're just kind of like, pretty much none of
them really have done enough. But somebody has to get
into this thing, and it's gonna be one of those
kind of teams. And we're already setting the stage for
Greg Sankie to be out beating the drum over the
next week to try and make sure that we get
one of those teams in. And I'm not sure that
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any of them deserve it. I mean, I don't think
that a team that loses to Vanderbilt and then goes
to Oklahoma and gets embarrassed by a bad Oklahoma team
needs to be in a twelve team playoff. I just don't.
I think if that team gets into a twelve team playoff,
maybe we expanded too much. And I'm a big fan
of the twelve team playoff. But I think we talked
about like two weeks ago, we said we all said
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there'd be no argument between twelve and thirteen if you
didn't get in, nobody's gonna be sad about it or whatever.
And then it's like, yeah, but now we might have
six SEC teams. Well, now we might have three folks.
Now we probably are gonna end up with three and
nobody is too upset about it. We've come to that
spot where if you don't get in, that's on you
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because you had every opportunity. If ole Miss doesn't get in,
that Florida game is gonna loom large. If you're Alabama,
what happened in Oklahoma, that's going to loom large. You
had the opportunity in front of you and you could
not close that deal. The three losses for ole Miss
in particular, all of them came to unranked teams. Florida.
Congratsabilly Napier and that team, because honestly, they were left
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for dead and they've played hard for him, and I'm
glad they've extended him and they found a quarterback that's
really legit in going forward for them. But you lose
to LSU, that loss looks worse by the week you
know this, you lose to Kentucky somehow, Like that old
Miss team, I don't care how good the roster is,
and we know how good they are, it doesn't matter.
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Like you can't do that. And that's where we find
ourselves in college football is I can poke holes in
everybody's resume that has an argument to get in, and
as such, I'm not gonna hand ring too much by
whoever gets left out.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the committee does
with the conference championship games because take the SEC for instance,
there might be a team that loses the conference championship
game and they didn't have a sparkling resume to begin with,
and then it's like.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Now, what do you do.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do you put in the team that wasn't in the
conference championship game when they didn't even earn the right
to be there, or do you put the team in
that just lost the conference championship game and didn't have
a great body of work to begin with?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
High do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I think that part of it's gonna be really interesting
to see what they do.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No, I agree, I think that's exactly right. When we
come back, we're gonna look at We're gonna look at Sunday,
We're gonna look at this weekend in the NFL. There's
some interesting games here, but I think there's just more
storylines there is, who is having baffling seasons and who
are we still not sure about this deep it's kind
of you are who you are, but there's still some
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teams that we're still not quite sure about. So we're
gonna discuss some of that when we come back. He's
probably no. I'm Jason Martin. We're in for the guys
here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on
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Speaker 2 (17:34):
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
App b You know, I was gonna say, before the
vocals even came in, yeah, this is not this is
not an Allison Chain song I'm as familiar with, but
I knew it was Aic without even having to hear
the vocals. There's just you just they have a very
distinctive like yes, like before, Lane Staley and Jerry cancerll
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even come in. You just know you're listening to Alison Change.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Right, Absolutely, you do.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
One of the greatest voices of all time with Lane
Staley and.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The new guy.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I saw Alison Chains in concert years ago. Yeah, and
the new guy after Lane had passed away. He's done
a really good job too. I don't know if he's
still with the band, but it's impossible to recreate the
Lane sound. It was just so unique. But the guy
that they had after Lane did it as good of
a job as you can, like being in the ballpark
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of Lane. And I've loved Allison Chain's music for a
long long time. Just a legendary band, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, a very very distinctive sound there. We were getting
to the distinctiveness portion of the NFL season. He's probably
known Jason Martin. This is two person and a cup
of Joe. They're out in enjoining holiday. So they had
a wonderful Thanksgiving. They'll be back with you on Monday.
And as you're getting up to begin shopping, it's changed though,
right Like I did spend some money on Black Friday.
(19:09):
Hopefully the wife's not listening too much right now. I
got such a few deals. Yeah, and he's always end
up getting some physical media, always end up getting some
a couple of video games or something like that. But
it has changed quite a bit to where a couple
of clothing items here, some gift things, a toy or
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two for the kids, something like that. But uh, there's
always something or some kind of subscription that will offer
me a month and I'll go get it and try
to get rid of it within a month, and then
you forget, which is the whole point of giving you that.
So you forget and they end up getting another month
or two out of you. So it's kind of been
all over the map for me this time around. But
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you know it's different though, because it's so much easier
to Black Friday shop. Just do it online and then
you don't even recognize but you're not getting involved in
the chaos. But if you're involved in the chaos or
preparing to get involved in the chaos, stick with Fox
Sports Radio all day. We'll cover you all the way
through Black Friday, also covering you several college football games
and a AFC West game with the Chiefs and the Raiders. Yeah,
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and so as we look at the NFL here twelve
games into the season for some of these teams already,
of course the one's that played yesterday, and it'll be
twelve for almost everybody going in as we finished this week,
What do you think b is the most? Is the
strangest takeaway that you have so far from one of
these teams? Like it could be a positive, it could
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be a negative. I think that they are extremes on
both sides. Is anything that's really surprised you so far
this season about one team or another?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Just in the AFC, No, you don't have to limit it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Just anything in the NFL as a whole.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, I would start with the disappointing teams, where the
Bengals being four and seven, the Jets, the Jets being
three and eight. Like Jason Dude, come on.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Man, I was one of those people.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You put Aaron Rodgers on a team with the real defense,
they have the potential to make real noise. They're a
three and eight football team. That's insane to me. That's
on him, man, A large part of it is absolutely
on him. Yes, And then I also look at a
team like the Niners, who we had high expectations for.
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They're in the basement of their division, which isn't good.
The best record in that division is six and five
with the Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals. The Niners are
five and six in the basement of a bad division,
and they've had these costly injuries. Christian McCaffrey misses half
the season, brock Purdy has banged up right now, Kittle's
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been out, Deebo's been hurt, Ayuka is out for the season.
All that stuff has added up. But this was a
team that was just in the Super Bowl and we thought, hey,
here come the Niners. They're five and six right now,
they're clawing for a playoff spot. And so those disappointing teams,
all those teams had high expectations and they've all disappointed.
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On the good end, it's a team like Washington. They're
hot start and they've leveled off with a few straight losses,
and I think it's the AFC playoff picture as well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
The Chiefs, it hasn't been.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
They haven't gotten the style points we talk about in
college football all the time. You look up their ten
and one, they're the one seed right now. They just
win freaking games and going for a three beat I
think that would be the best team accomplishment in NFL
history if they're able to pull off a three beat
and they're at least in position to do that right
now as we speak.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So as far as a relations to the Chiefs, I
think that there's no reason to discount their opportunity, especially
once they get to playoffs, because they just tend to
really step it up. I do think there's some flaws
to that team right now, and you can certainly try
to poke holes in it. But I picked them before
the season to win again because I'm just not going
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to continue to not pick them because they've given me
no reason to are their teams I think are better
this year overall top to bottom. Yes, Does that mean
anything when we come to January? Absolutely not. I've said
before I don't really care what the Ravens do during
the regular season. I don't care what the Buffalo Bills
do during the regular season. I need to see them
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actually do something in the playoffs because eventually we have
to stop. I mean, you can reward them, like if
you want to give Lamar Jackson the MVP, go right ahead.
It's a regular season award and he spent outstanding. But
I'm still gonna measure his overall career about what he
does in the playoffs. Same thing with Josh Allen, same
thing with a lot of these teams. Buffalo Bills are
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nine to two right now, Baltimore Ravens eight and four
right now, lost to the Steelers bafflingly. But at the
same time, the Chiefs are ten to one, even if
it hasn't been particularly impressive at times, and they've escaped
a few times. That's all I have to do is
keep escaping. And if they keep escaping, you in January
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end up playing in the super Bowl. That's gonna say
a lot about them, but it's also gonna say about
a lot about you. But you're right, in this era,
for them to be able to do the three peat
would be absolutely miraculous. I pretty much agree across the
board with what you're saying. The Lions being eleven and one,
I mean, I knew they were gonna be good. Did
I think they were gonna be eleven and one good? No,
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Philadelphia I thought was going to be good. Did I
think they were gonna be nine and two good? With
that guy as head coach?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Right, But Saquon Barkley has really really changed things for them.
In terms of that just makes aj Brown and Devonte
Smith and what jaywhen hurts does all the stuff you
already had, It just makes it so much better because
you also have the Saquon factor on top of it.
And Saquon's making an MVP case for himself right now.
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The Steelers being eight and three considering their quarterback situation
going into the season. Yeah, I don't know if there's
anybody more underrated in the NFL than Mike Tomlin. We
talked about Mike McDaniel and how the Dolphins are kind
of the offensive version of the Steelers where there was
a ceiling on it. Tomlin always has that team playing,
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to me, better than they have any right to be playing.
I'm just blown away. We talk about the lack of accountability,
lack of leadership, for example in Chicago. By the way,
the eber Flus watch. He is still employed as of
seven thirty Eastern time this morning. I'll continue to update
you throughout the corner throughout the deal. But he's like
the main splash screen, for instance, on the Four Letters website.
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So every time I go, there's like he's a been fight.
Oh No, it's just still the talk about how dumb
he is about the decisions that he makes. But I'm
still the fact that the Steelers are eight and three
is impressive to me. If you want me to give
you a negative, I would say the Texans are just
kind of average. Yeah, yeah, they had an opportunity to
not be. Some of these other teams being average, were
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even kind of leveling off, Like you mentioned the Commanders
being seven and five. We'll see how they finished, but
that's still a success for them already this year. And
I think it's proven the Day and Quinn Hire to
be a good one, and certainly Jane Daniels, there's a
lot to love there, the Vikings being nine to two,
and some of these teams like that are good. But
like when I look at the Texans in a bad
division and it just feels like CJ. Stroud doesn't have
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quite as much of the it factor as he did
last year, and he's having to learn something new because
teams are throwing different things at him. Brian, So I
look at the Texans and say, I was honestly expecting
them to be better at this point. I'm kind of
kind of confused by the season that they've had.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, that's fair CJ. Stroud has definitely taking a step
back this season. Their season win total was at nine
and a half before the season began, and there are
a lot of people They were at ten and seven
team last season, right They won ten games last season
and their season win total this year was nine and
a half and they were a popular over bet, and
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that still might be the right side. They're seven and
five right now, just have to win three more games,
but yeah, they seem to They leave a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And c J.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Stroud, who was special as a rookie last season, some
of his passes are just sailing this year. They got
beaten at home by the Tennessee Titans, you know, and
it's not just that they lost, it's the way they lost.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Will Levis diced them up pretty good. You know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
You're watching Chigakonkuo on a seventy yard touchdown as a
tight end.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
You're like, what is going on over here?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
And some of the injuries that the Texans have had
have hurt them, with Nico Collins missing a portion of
the season, but they're still talented enough.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
They got beaten by the Jets.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
We're just talking about the Jets and how bad their
season has been. One of the three wins for the
Jets was against the Texans, you know, so it's been
like that for the Texans. And I'm just wondering these
teams in the regular season they look one way. Do
they look the same or do they look different good
or bad in the postseason. That's my big question because
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some of these teams, I agree with you. I think
a couple of these teams in the AFC are actually
better than the Chiefs are. But can they put it
together when it matters most, because we've seen stretches. Lamar
Jackson's a two time MVP, his regular season numbers are outstanding,
and then we'll get to the postseason and then we're like, yeah,
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that's a throw that Mahomes would make. Yeah, that's a
play that Mahomes would make. And then you stack enough
of those and you'll lose. Like, are these teams, the Bills,
the Ravens, that are probably more talented top to bottom
than the Chiefs are, do they put it together and
stop getting in their own way?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And that's what I want to see.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There just seems to be this Mahomes mystique where you
can feel these teams that are like, all right, right,
we can't give them a chance here. It could be
lights out for us, and we got to make this
play here they can do it again to us, you
know what I mean, It's like they're just not comfortable.
And I think that's where the track record of Mahomes
and the Chiefs that is just it's a huge hurdle
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to jump over, and these other teams in the same
conference haven't been able to do it yet.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I mean,
you have to walk in with the talent to beat
the Chiefs, but you have to walk in also with
the mindset that even if we get ahead, we can
finish it. And I think that's the other thing, is
like you can get into the second half and be
ahead on Kansas City and still not feel comfortable. It's
the way you used to feel in the Golden State
real like, yeah, their era, you could be up fifteen
against them in the second half and still feel like, well,
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they're about to rattle off eight threes and beat us,
and if they hit two, you already think you've lost,
even though you're still up nine. So I think there's
something to that mystique. Absolutely. And then that mystique then
leads you to make mistakes and all of that together.
If the Chiefs are playing again for a Super Bowl,
no one should be surprised, even though I don't think
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that they're by I don't think even close actually to
the most complete team, especially on the defensive side. I
think you're seeing a lot of flaws right now, but
they tend to play better in January two, So we will,
we'll see as we get there. We'll do some more
of these afterwards. But I do want to find out
what happened in sports last night? How about you be? Yeah? Absolutely,
are you surprised because you were down on my guy
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bo Nicks entering the season.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
He's played really well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm pretty I'm pretty excited about it. I understand that
some things have worked out for him and they've brought
him along and he's got a great head coach. But
that was the whole point. It's like he went to
the right place. He has the right attitude. But I
think it's kind of hard to feel negatively about him
right now.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, what was the game we played? We played a game.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I can't remember what it was called, but it was
it was worded in a way that I should remember,
but I'm aging now and can't off the top of
my head, you know. But remember we played that game
where it wasn't quite like stock up stock down.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It was like are you are you high or low?
Something like that on like.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
The prospects of these guys having a good season, and
I'm like, bow Knicks rookie season. Eh, right, yeah, Listen,
he's played pretty well.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
He has.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think that he's been a decent quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Listen, when you have people throwing it out there like, hey,
could bow Knicks catch Jaden Daniels for Offensive Rookie of
the Year? And when I saw that a week ago,
I'm like, whow okay, that's interesting because he's gaining ground quickly.
And Jaden Daniels at the beginning of the season he
was a special.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
He's leveled off a little bit, but.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Bow Knicks is gaining And if you can say that
when Jayden was so special at the beginning of the season,
it shows you that bon Nick's been really consistent here.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah. So to your point about Jade Daniels, I had
seen or I listened to Robert Mays and Derek Classen
and their Athletics show talking about Nixon talking about Daniels
and saying one thing about Daniels is and he did
this at LSU. His first instinct is to run if
his option is not there, and you kind of want
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him to not do that quite as much because then
you just find out, well, if you just cover up
his option, then he's gonna take off and run. And
even though he was a tremendous athlete and still is,
you can get him down, like you can put him
into a situation where and that's the thing with Lamar,
Like when you got Lamar to the playoffs, Lamar either
stopped running entirely and tried to win it with his arm,
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like I don't really know for what reason, and now
maybe he can do it, or you just forced him
to go exactly with the football where you wanted him
to go with it on the and you were prepared
for it. Jade and Daniels at this point, I think
he's got to figure out that what he did at
LSU isn't always going to work. But his biggest problem
is outside of Terry McLaurin, there's not a lot there.
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M M. They need a couple more pass catchers on
that team that he can really rely on in critical
moments because he's kind of It's sort of like the
Alabama style where they have Ryan Williams and then they
have a bunch of guys. I think you got the
same thing in Washington, where you have Terry McLaurin and
then you have a bunch of guys. And you look
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at bo Nicks. He and Sutton have developed a really
nice mix. But he's got some other guys on that
team that he can trust, especially his tight end, and
he's got a value on the outside now too, So
they are finding ways to get more guys involved in
a rhythm, and I think that might be the difference
right now with Daniels and what he's experiencing in Washington.
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I know we need to get to break so we
can come back and we can maybe talk about this
on the flip side. Gosh, there are some matchups. We
haven't really talked about any of the matchups specifically going
into this weekend, so we can do that. I don't
think we need to do Chiefs Raiders. I don't need
I don't think this is gonna be an eight and
O'Connell revenge game, but I guess you never know. We'll
come back. He's broad to know. I'm Jason Martin. This
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Speaker 3 (34:32):
Something about this being the song bringing us back, it's
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Com studios. Something about this just feels right to talk
about Baker Mayfield for.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Was like, are we still talking about Nicks here? And no, yeah,
Baker all right?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is there any team that's just kind of like, I
don't have any reason necessarily to root for Tampa Bay,
but I kind of like watching them do pretty well.
Baker Mayfield's second act. He's just kind of fully Baker
Mayfield at this point. But you look at like how
it's gone for Cleveland since he left, and how it's
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gone for Baker Mayfield, and there's not really any reason
to dislike Tampa Bay unless you're just like an NFC
South fan, and so you just generally don't like them
because their a rival in your own division. I look
at Tampa Bay and I kind of root for them
every week just because there's something about it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I like Todd Bowles, I.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Like that Baker Mayfield plays his guts out on every
single play. They don't have Chris Godwin, They've had Mike
Evans hurt half the time. You got Kate Otton coming
out of nowhere having a great year. Mayfield's drawn up
plays in the dirt on offense going out there. That's
just maybe there's another one that I'm forgetting. But when
I watch the Bucks, I'm just kind of pleasantly excited
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to watch them like they they're a fun football team
to watch, even though they're five and six, probably aren't
gonna make a playoff. Maybe they end up winning that division.
That division is not good, but there's something about them
that just kind of makes me smile.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, you know, I feel the same way. Where it's funny.
You're a pro.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Wrestling guy, ye Jason, and to me, Baker Mayfield has
gone from the heel that you rooted against to the
heel that you root for. That's how I felt about him,
where you know the heels in pro wrestling, where they
might come out and it's like, here's this random dude.
He's supposedly from Iran, you know, and he gets on
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and talks about you spoiled Americans and you're all overweight,
and everyone's like boo. That to me is how Baker
Mayfield used to be. And now Baker Mayfield is I
don't know, like he's in the wolf Pack or something.
He's nWo and you're like, Baker Mayfield's kind of cool. Now, yeah,
I don't know what happened where Baker Mayfield's act in
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Cleveland was just so annoying where I don't know, he
just had this chip on his shoulder and it was
just annoying. And now that he's rejuvenated his career and
had a couple of stops where he was with the
Panthers and beating the Raiders when he was with the
Rams for less than a week, was like, wow, okay.
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And now he's really got his career back on track
in Tampa and all these injuries, he's just a lot
more likable than he previously was and he's really turned
it around. Man like he's a real quarterback again, And
I like how you put that. Look at where the
Browns are right now.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And one of my good friends that I grew up
with in South Bend, he lives out in Portland, so
I got to see him when I was out there recently.
He's a huge Browns fan, always been a Browns fan
his whole life. And he was like, if we just
had Baker right now, and it's just so it's true,
it really well, he is true. Where would this Browns
team be if they had Baker again or Baker throughout?
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It makes you wonder where they would be right now.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So who's the next candidate to be a Baker Mayfield
type or maybe even a Sam Darnold type where things
have worked out decently well for him so far in Minnesota.
I don't know if he's a long term answer, but
he's certainly having a decent little second act. You had
Ryan Tannehill have that, yeah with the Titans, probably the
best example in terms of success that we've seen there.
The Bucks opponent in a five to six game on
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Sunday is against the three and eight Panthers team where
I actually think Bryce Young played really well last week
he did, and I'm very interested to see, like did
he turn a corner? Was this a one time deal?
He was making some tough throws in that game, Brian,
And that's another dude that I'd like to root for.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, right, and it makes you wonder. It's gonna take
a little bit of time. It took time with Baker,
it took time with Geno Smith. Yes, we've seen Sam Darnold.
We've seen a lot of quarterbacks where they weren't very
good immediately, and it's like, we don't give it time.
We just want it to be microwaved. Like you you
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put addition the microwave for a minute and you're like,
that's ready. That's how it works with NFL quarterbacks a
lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
C J.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Stroud last year at Jade and Daniel's beginning, those are
special starts and uh, you know maybe Daniel Jones maybe,
but it does take some time. Yeah, it takes some
time for some of these guys to pop.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, but maybe don't ask for your own release. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a circumstance. We'll come back and be no, it
will take us and then take the ship for the
third hour of the program, tons of NFL, and the
eber Flus watch continues. He's still employed right now.
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Just an update, Matt Everfluse has not been terminated yet
as the head coach of the Chicago Bears. That's something
we will update in every segment going forward until it changes,
because I keep refreshing all the major websites to see
if it's happened yet, because I'm still kind of stunned.
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He's Brian, now I am Jason Martin, and b I'm serious.
We're gonna keep updating this because I'm not positive that
it won't change before the end of the show. I
know we're about to talk some college football and more
things going into the weekend, but we just got to
reset it again. Like Thanksgivings had two of the worst
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endings and two of the most memorable endings you'll ever see.
I don't know that this one was quite as bad
as Leon let Well with Don Beebe in that famous
Bears or Bill's Cowboys game from so many years ago,
where he held the ball down and got knocked out
before he got a cross and end up losing the game.
But a head coach being this bafflingly just unprepared, and
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something else we didn't talk about. Did you notice the
play where Caleb Williams got sacked. Did you realize that
they didn't seem to understand that the Lions were going
to blitz them be right, and so they had five
guys trying to block seven. Caleb Williams is getting murdered
out there all season long, just getting absolutely hammered. You
could say he's holding the ball too long here and
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there and all this. Okay, that's fine, but that o
lion is not very good. And they didn't seem to
understand that Dan Campbell was going to send the house,
that Aaron Glenn was going to send the house, and
so that put the quarterback in a bad spot before
then the coach then didn't help him out.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, there are so many layers to that. Where they
were in field goal range worked, You're kicking a game
tying field goal and going to overtime.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
That should have been at worst for the Bears.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
And yet they take a sack and then they just
let the time run off the clock and they had
basically one desperation deep ball to try to bail them
out and that didn't work out. So, yeah, it's bad.
It's a bad job. Thomas Brown took over as the
play caller. You know, it's a bad job of protecting
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Caleb Williams. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams taking
a sack. It's a bad job by Caleb Williams letting
the clock tack all the way down. It's a bad
job by Matt Eberflus not calling time out and helping
out his quarterback and new play caller.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
It's just a bad job all the way around.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
And I like it You're on Eberflus watch because we
know the pink slip is coming, and it's just a
matter of when not if.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
If it's not, then everyone associated with the franchise needs
to receive the same pink slip from somebody. Like at
some point somebody has to be the adult in the
room there, and I'm not sure, well, actually i am.
I am certain it is not the head coach, so
we can't.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
You know what, Real fast though, Jason, real fast, Like,
think about that, this was a four and two team.
The Bears have lost six straight. It just shows you
how long the NFL season is. But this is a
four and two team where you're thinking, hey, man, could
they mess around and be a wild card team? Then
six weeks later you're like, oh, yeah, no, Matt Ebraflut's
gonna be out of a job very shortly. I'm surprised
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he isn't already, but it can change very very quickly
in the NFL for sure.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well mean you talk about mess around, but they did
mess around. They found out you can't mess around, that's right,
and end up getting to the wild card. Like That's
the thing that's amazing is that you could look at
this and say, oh, but they've been so close and
look at them fighting and all that sort stuff. Right,
the thing that's stopping them is the idiocy on the sidelines, yeah,
and the lack of accountability. Then that then translates on
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the field to guys not being focused, guys not being prepared,
and guys not being in being put in position to succeed.
So all of that adds up to the record that
they have any competent coach right now, we probably have
them at seven and five.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Right, Yeah, you would think, yeah, this is a team
that they've got talent, they've got real pieces to work with,
and the ways that they've lost, they should absolutely have
a winning record right now, and they're not even close.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
They're a four and eight football team. Think about that.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
They are four and two at one point, they're four
and eight now, and the way they've lost some of
those games, that's at worst they should have split those
six games. You know, like I'd say, at worst two
and four where you're five hundred, right now, that's at
worst because two of those losses, you know, the Hail
Mary was despicable, and then who knows what happens from that.
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If you win that game against Washington, maybe you don't
get dusted the next week by the Arizona Cardinals. Right,
there's a snowball effect. So yeah, it's just a calamity
for the Bears.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah. And I mean you even have some of these
like very classy people in football coming out after matth Yeah,
is one of the classiest dudes in the NFL this century,
and he said that's a massive fail.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
On television, describing Matt Eberflus, Jimmy Johnson said, he's been
in football for over three decades, Brian, and he's never
seen a coaching staff basically stop his football team from
potentially winning a game.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That's not Matt Eberflus. His little assessment is, oo, we
handled it the right way.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
How you know, you know how the Bear should handle
it the right way. This should for his own sake,
send him away. Yes, you have today, Like I don't
know that he can coach again, but we'll see we've
seen stranger things and I don't know where you go.
But I also don't think that firing Robert Salah was
going to fix the Jets, right Like, these in season
moves are basically indicators that this season is over. But
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we still want to tell the fans that we understand
and we hear them, and so that might be the
same circumstance that we're gonna get here.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Could be. Could be. I like that you're on Eberflu's watch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
You know it's gonna keeping it updated every couple of minutes.
I'm just refreshing and see if that breaking news pops
up here on Black Friday and it turns out to
be that Black Monday thing. But they don't wait until
the end of the season to get it done. Big
weekend in college football, your Notre Dame squad, but to
go lose to USC, whoa, whoa, whoa?
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Say, Mark, are you calling your shot here?
Speaker 3 (07:24):
No, I've watched USC this year. Yeah, No, I do
not think. I don't know how good Notre Dame is
when you stack them up against the best teams, because
we just haven't seen college football is weird this year anyway,
just in terms of you got the twelve teams, So
when you see a loss, you're not sure exactly how
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much it means. You've got a three loss Alabama team
where there's at least some talk that they can still
find their way into the twelve. All of these things
are out there. How do you feel entering this weekend
when you just kind of look at the rankings, look
at how the college football playoff scenario has everything set up?
Right now? Are you side eyeing anything in particular right now?
Speaker 4 (08:08):
My whole thing is just who screws up a playoff spot?
You know, like Ole Miss did last week and they
had a great path to being a playoff team and
they just they ain't get it done at Florida. So
the first things first for me is like who gets
into the playoff and some of these teams that have
an inside track to get there, who wets themselves and
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screws that up? And then just big picture wise, like
who ends up winning this thing? And there isn't a
team that in former years like recent years, like Georgia.
You knew Georgia was the team to beat and it's
gonna be really hard to beat them. There isn't that
team this year where you're like, that's the Goliath. There's
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a lot more parody in college football than we're used to,
which I think is a great thing. So if you
look at you started with Notre like, Notre Dame has
a real defense, they have a good running game. I
don't like their passing game at all. I think that
maybe they win a game, maybe two. I don't think
they really challenge to win a championship. But if there's
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ever a year for a team to surprise you, I
think it's this year because the top teams aren't as
dominant and haven't separated themselves the way other years have
played out.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
So with that a.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Lot more parody, I think it makes it more interesting
where you get more teams in the playoff, and I
think you have a lot more possibilities for upsets or
deeper runs from teams that you would say, really that team.
I think the ingredients are there for possibly that to
happen this year.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, I mean I agree with the parody argument. I
also think that because of your other point about there
not being that one team you look at and just
say that team's gonna beat everybody, I think that you
can argue that there are several of these teams that
could get on the right streak, get hot enough and
find a way. So I think that makes it more exciting.
And then when I even when I'm asked, you know
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who's the best team in the SEC, it's just like, well,
the old mist team to beat Georgia, or the Alabama
team to beat Georgia, or the Tennessee team to beat Alabama,
but not the version of them that you've seen in
other weeks where Alabama's lost to Vanderbilt, or the game
that I have my eye on tomorrow. For some reason,
I think george is going to struggle against Georgia Tech. Interesting,
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Georgia Tech's been kind of a weird team this year
in terms of they have played above their heads a
few times, and they certainly are on the right path
going forward. It feels like and that's this Georgia team's
been ultimate jecking high. There have been times they look
flat bad and Carson Beck hasn't looked like he should
be a starting quarterback. And there's other times where Carson
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Beck looks like she should be a top five pick
any NFL draft. So what version of this team? And
I think that's true across college football. It's like, what
version of these teams are you going to get? If
you get the best version of Notre Dame, what's that ceiling?
If you get the best version of Ohio State, I
think they win at all if you get that all
the way through. If you get the best version of Oregon, yeah,
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they're probably gonna win at all. If you get the
best version of Texas, could win at all. But I
do think that there is a recipe for just pure chaos.
I think the most unlikely scenario, just based on the
way this season has gone, is that tomorrow is chalk
and that this twelve team playoff is chalk.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
Yeah, if you just look at just say the top
five teams, maybe a little bit more, just to think
about how the playoff could play out, Right, you look
at Oregon. Oregon has been good, but they haven't been
dominant at all. There have been a lot of games
where you're like, they're just doing enough to win, which
is fine, but it makes you wonder how high is
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their ceiling really, because there have been a lot of
games where a watch and they win, but they sleepwalk
through the second half, and I'm like, so are they
just sleepwalking against UCLA or Michigan State because it's UCLA
or Michigan State, or is this just kind of them
you know what I mean? Like do they have that
extra gear where playoff time they just kick it into
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overdrive and you're like, oh, okay, that was there the
whole time. We just didn't know it. I mean maybe
Ohio State very very talented. We know what they bring
to the table. But then you look at the rest
of the top five. Texas, I hate the way Texas
plays offense.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Jason.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's like these jink and dunk little Let's get it
out in space and make these guys tackle.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
These defenses tackle in space. I like that approach.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
If you have a dominant running game, you know what
I mean, you kind of sprinkle it in with a
dominant running game.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
They don't have that. I just I hate their offense
how they approach it.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
Penn State, they barely beat USC on the road, right,
there was an overtime game. Do you trust James Franklin
in big games? Notre Dame, you trust their passing game.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Look at Miami.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
Miami just lost to the Georgia Tech team you were
talking about, like they have no defense.
Speaker 5 (13:05):
They play no one it's like who do you trust?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Like, you look at the top of the rankings and
there are warts with a lot of these teams in
more than enough reason not to trust them come playoff time.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Look, I think that's all right, And I think that
there is no fan base that should feel comfortable going
into even tomorrow. None, because no one has distinguished themselves
beyond reproach. There's just not that team. Like I've stayed
had and beat Michigan in a while. That Michigan team
shouldn't be able to compete with them, but they do
play defense, and if they ugly it up, yeah, you
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just you'd never know. It's a rivalry game. There's a
lot of crazy stuff. I don't anticipate it, but Ryan
Day has found ways to lose to Michigan in the
last handful of years, so keep your eye on it.
And then again, I already mentioned Georgia and Georgia Tech.
And then you've got Clemson that can somehow get in
despite having basically nothing impressive done this year except getting
stomped by Georgia in the second half of their opener.
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But they go beat South Carolina and somehow that's a
thing South Carolina could ease in and South Carolina. Really
they've had a couple of bad finishes to games where
they've been right on the doorstep and haven't quite been
able to close it. They're really good and really dangerous,
but I don't know that that's a thing that should happen.
Then you look at Ole Miss and Alabama, you look
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at it in Tennessee, and you look at all of them,
and you're just kind of like, pretty much none of
them really have done enough. But somebody has to get
into this thing, and it's gonna be one of those
kind of teams. And we're already setting the stage for
Greg Sankie to be out beating the drum over the
next week to try and make sure that we get
one of those teams in. And I'm not sure that
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any of them deserve it. I mean, I don't think
that a team that loses to Vanderbilt and then goes
to Oklahoma and gets embarrassed by a bad Oklahoma team
needs to be in a twelve team playoff. I just don't.
I think if that team gets into a twelve team playoff,
maybe we expanded too much. And I'm a big fan
of the twelve team playoff. But I think we talked
about like two weeks ago, we said we all said
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there'd be no argument between twelve and thirteen if you
didn't get in, nobody's gonna be sad about it or whatever.
And then it's like, yeah, but now we might have
six SEC teams. Well, now we might have three folks.
Now we probably are gonna end up with three and
nobody is too upset about it. We've come to that
spot where if you don't get in, that's on you
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because you had every opportunity. If ole Miss doesn't get in,
that Florida game is gonna loom large. If you're Alabama,
what happened in Oklahoma, that's going to loom large. You
had the opportunity in front of you and you could
not close that deal. The three losses for ole Miss
in particular, all of them came to unranked teams. Florida.
Congratsabilly Napier and that team, because honestly, they were left
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for dead and they've played hard for him, and I'm
glad they've extended him and they found a quarterback that's
really legit in going forward for them. But you lose
to LSU, that loss looks worse by the week you
know this, you lose to Kentucky somehow, Like that old
Miss team, I don't care how good the roster is,
and we know how good they are, it doesn't matter.
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Like you can't do that. And that's where we find
ourselves in college football is I can poke holes in
everybody's resume that has an argument to get in, and
as such, I'm not gonna hand ring too much by
whoever gets left out.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the committee does
with the conference championship games because take the SEC for instance,
there might be a team that loses the conference championship
game and they didn't have a sparkling resume to begin with,
and then it's like.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Now, what do you do.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do you put in the team that wasn't in the
conference championship game when they didn't even earn the right
to be there, or do you put the team in
that just lost the conference championship game and didn't have
a great body of work to begin with?
Speaker 5 (16:59):
High do you handle that?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
I think that part of it's gonna be really interesting
to see what they do.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
No, I agree, I think that's exactly right. When we
come back, we're gonna look at We're gonna look at Sunday,
We're gonna look at this weekend in the NFL. There's
some interesting games here, but I think there's just more
storylines there is, who is having baffling seasons and who
are we still not sure about this deep it's kind
of you are who you are, but there's still some
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teams that we're still not quite sure about. So we're
gonna discuss some of that when we come back. He's
probably no. I'm Jason Martin. We're in for the guys
here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe on
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
App b You know, I was gonna say, before the
vocals even came in, yeah, this is not this is
not an Allison Chain song I'm as familiar with, but
I knew it was Aic without even having to hear
the vocals. There's just you just they have a very
distinctive like yes, like before, Lane Staley and Jerry cancerll
(18:08):
even come in. You just know you're listening to Alison Change.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Right, Absolutely, you do.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
One of the greatest voices of all time with Lane
Staley and.
Speaker 5 (18:16):
The new guy.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
I saw Alison Chains in concert years ago. Yeah, and
the new guy after Lane had passed away. He's done
a really good job too. I don't know if he's
still with the band, but it's impossible to recreate the
Lane sound. It was just so unique. But the guy
that they had after Lane did it as good of
a job as you can, like being in the ballpark
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of Lane. And I've loved Allison Chain's music for a
long long time. Just a legendary band, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Yeah, a very very distinctive sound there. We were getting
to the distinctiveness portion of the NFL season. He's probably
known Jason Martin. This is two person and a cup
of Joe. They're out in enjoining holiday. So they had
a wonderful Thanksgiving. They'll be back with you on Monday.
And as you're getting up to begin shopping, it's changed though,
right Like I did spend some money on Black Friday.
(19:09):
Hopefully the wife's not listening too much right now. I
got such a few deals. Yeah, and he's always end
up getting some physical media, always end up getting some
a couple of video games or something like that. But
it has changed quite a bit to where a couple
of clothing items here, some gift things, a toy or
(19:29):
two for the kids, something like that. But uh, there's
always something or some kind of subscription that will offer
me a month and I'll go get it and try
to get rid of it within a month, and then
you forget, which is the whole point of giving you that.
So you forget and they end up getting another month
or two out of you. So it's kind of been
all over the map for me this time around. But
(19:52):
you know it's different though, because it's so much easier
to Black Friday shop. Just do it online and then
you don't even recognize but you're not getting involved in
the chaos. But if you're involved in the chaos or
preparing to get involved in the chaos, stick with Fox
Sports Radio all day. We'll cover you all the way
through Black Friday, also covering you several college football games
and a AFC West game with the Chiefs and the Raiders. Yeah,
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and so as we look at the NFL here twelve
games into the season for some of these teams already,
of course the one's that played yesterday, and it'll be
twelve for almost everybody going in as we finished this week,
What do you think b is the most? Is the
strangest takeaway that you have so far from one of
these teams? Like it could be a positive, it could
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be a negative. I think that they are extremes on
both sides. Is anything that's really surprised you so far
this season about one team or another?
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Just in the AFC, No, you don't have to limit it.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
Just anything in the NFL as a whole.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, I would start with the disappointing teams, where the
Bengals being four and seven, the Jets, the Jets being
three and eight. Like Jason Dude, come on.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
Man, I was one of those people.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
You put Aaron Rodgers on a team with the real defense,
they have the potential to make real noise. They're a
three and eight football team. That's insane to me. That's
on him, man, A large part of it is absolutely
on him. Yes, And then I also look at a
team like the Niners, who we had high expectations for.
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They're in the basement of their division, which isn't good.
The best record in that division is six and five
with the Seahawks and the Arizona Cardinals. The Niners are
five and six in the basement of a bad division,
and they've had these costly injuries. Christian McCaffrey misses half
the season, brock Purdy has banged up right now, Kittle's
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been out, Deebo's been hurt, Ayuka is out for the season.
All that stuff has added up. But this was a
team that was just in the Super Bowl and we thought, hey,
here come the Niners. They're five and six right now,
they're clawing for a playoff spot. And so those disappointing teams,
all those teams had high expectations and they've all disappointed.
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On the good end, it's a team like Washington. They're
hot start and they've leveled off with a few straight losses,
and I think it's the AFC playoff picture as well.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
The Chiefs, it hasn't been.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
They haven't gotten the style points we talk about in
college football all the time. You look up their ten
and one, they're the one seed right now. They just
win freaking games and going for a three beat I
think that would be the best team accomplishment in NFL
history if they're able to pull off a three beat
and they're at least in position to do that right
now as we speak.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
So as far as a relations to the Chiefs, I
think that there's no reason to discount their opportunity, especially
once they get to playoffs, because they just tend to
really step it up. I do think there's some flaws
to that team right now, and you can certainly try
to poke holes in it. But I picked them before
the season to win again because I'm just not going
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to continue to not pick them because they've given me
no reason to are their teams I think are better
this year overall top to bottom. Yes, Does that mean
anything when we come to January? Absolutely not. I've said
before I don't really care what the Ravens do during
the regular season. I don't care what the Buffalo Bills
do during the regular season. I need to see them
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actually do something in the playoffs because eventually we have
to stop. I mean, you can reward them, like if
you want to give Lamar Jackson the MVP, go right ahead.
It's a regular season award and he spent outstanding. But
I'm still gonna measure his overall career about what he
does in the playoffs. Same thing with Josh Allen, same
thing with a lot of these teams. Buffalo Bills are
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nine to two right now, Baltimore Ravens eight and four
right now, lost to the Steelers bafflingly. But at the
same time, the Chiefs are ten to one, even if
it hasn't been particularly impressive at times, and they've escaped
a few times. That's all I have to do is
keep escaping. And if they keep escaping, you in January
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end up playing in the super Bowl. That's gonna say
a lot about them, but it's also gonna say about
a lot about you. But you're right, in this era,
for them to be able to do the three peat
would be absolutely miraculous. I pretty much agree across the
board with what you're saying. The Lions being eleven and one,
I mean, I knew they were gonna be good. Did
I think they were gonna be eleven and one good? No,
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Philadelphia I thought was going to be good. Did I
think they were gonna be nine and two good? With
that guy as head coach?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
No?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Right, But Saquon Barkley has really really changed things for them.
In terms of that just makes aj Brown and Devonte
Smith and what jaywhen hurts does all the stuff you
already had, It just makes it so much better because
you also have the Saquon factor on top of it.
And Saquon's making an MVP case for himself right now.
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The Steelers being eight and three considering their quarterback situation
going into the season. Yeah, I don't know if there's
anybody more underrated in the NFL than Mike Tomlin. We
talked about Mike McDaniel and how the Dolphins are kind
of the offensive version of the Steelers where there was
a ceiling on it. Tomlin always has that team playing,
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to me, better than they have any right to be playing.
I'm just blown away. We talk about the lack of accountability,
lack of leadership, for example in Chicago. By the way,
the eber Flus watch. He is still employed as of
seven thirty Eastern time this morning. I'll continue to update
you throughout the corner throughout the deal. But he's like
the main splash screen, for instance, on the Four Letters website.
(25:43):
So every time I go, there's like he's a been fight.
Oh No, it's just still the talk about how dumb
he is about the decisions that he makes. But I'm
still the fact that the Steelers are eight and three
is impressive to me. If you want me to give
you a negative, I would say the Texans are just
kind of average. Yeah, yeah, they had an opportunity to
not be. Some of these other teams being average, were
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even kind of leveling off, Like you mentioned the Commanders
being seven and five. We'll see how they finished, but
that's still a success for them already this year. And
I think it's proven the Day and Quinn Hire to
be a good one, and certainly Jane Daniels, there's a
lot to love there, the Vikings being nine to two,
and some of these teams like that are good. But
like when I look at the Texans in a bad
division and it just feels like CJ. Stroud doesn't have
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quite as much of the it factor as he did
last year, and he's having to learn something new because
teams are throwing different things at him. Brian, So I
look at the Texans and say, I was honestly expecting
them to be better at this point. I'm kind of
kind of confused by the season that they've had.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
Yeah, that's fair CJ. Stroud has definitely taking a step
back this season. Their season win total was at nine
and a half before the season began, and there are
a lot of people They were at ten and seven
team last season, right They won ten games last season
and their season win total this year was nine and
a half and they were a popular over bet, and
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that still might be the right side. They're seven and
five right now, just have to win three more games,
but yeah, they seem to They leave a lot to
be desired.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
And c J.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Stroud, who was special as a rookie last season, some
of his passes are just sailing this year. They got
beaten at home by the Tennessee Titans, you know, and
it's not just that they lost, it's the way they lost.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Will Levis diced them up pretty good. You know.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
You're watching Chigakonkuo on a seventy yard touchdown as a
tight end.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
You're like, what is going on over here?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
And some of the injuries that the Texans have had
have hurt them, with Nico Collins missing a portion of
the season, but they're still talented enough.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
They got beaten by the Jets.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
We're just talking about the Jets and how bad their
season has been. One of the three wins for the
Jets was against the Texans, you know, so it's been
like that for the Texans. And I'm just wondering these
teams in the regular season they look one way. Do
they look the same or do they look different good
or bad in the postseason. That's my big question because
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some of these teams, I agree with you. I think
a couple of these teams in the AFC are actually
better than the Chiefs are. But can they put it
together when it matters most, because we've seen stretches. Lamar
Jackson's a two time MVP, his regular season numbers are outstanding,
and then we'll get to the postseason and then we're like, yeah,
(28:43):
that's a throw that Mahomes would make. Yeah, that's a
play that Mahomes would make. And then you stack enough
of those and you'll lose. Like, are these teams, the Bills,
the Ravens, that are probably more talented top to bottom
than the Chiefs are, do they put it together and
stop getting in their own way?
Speaker 5 (29:04):
And that's what I want to see.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
There just seems to be this Mahomes mystique where you
can feel these teams that are like, all right, right,
we can't give them a chance here. It could be
lights out for us, and we got to make this
play here they can do it again to us, you
know what I mean, It's like they're just not comfortable.
And I think that's where the track record of Mahomes
and the Chiefs that is just it's a huge hurdle
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to jump over, and these other teams in the same
conference haven't been able to do it yet.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I mean,
you have to walk in with the talent to beat
the Chiefs, but you have to walk in also with
the mindset that even if we get ahead, we can
finish it. And I think that's the other thing, is
like you can get into the second half and be
ahead on Kansas City and still not feel comfortable. It's
the way you used to feel in the Golden State
real like, yeah, their era, you could be up fifteen
against them in the second half and still feel like, well,
(29:56):
they're about to rattle off eight threes and beat us,
and if they hit two, you already think you've lost,
even though you're still up nine. So I think there's
something to that mystique. Absolutely. And then that mystique then
leads you to make mistakes and all of that together.
If the Chiefs are playing again for a Super Bowl,
no one should be surprised, even though I don't think
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that they're by I don't think even close actually to
the most complete team, especially on the defensive side. I
think you're seeing a lot of flaws right now, but
they tend to play better in January two, So we will,
we'll see as we get there. We'll do some more
of these afterwards. But I do want to find out
what happened in sports last night? How about you be? Yeah? Absolutely,
are you surprised because you were down on my guy
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bo Nicks entering the season.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
He's played really well.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I'm pretty I'm pretty excited about it. I understand that
some things have worked out for him and they've brought
him along and he's got a great head coach. But
that was the whole point. It's like he went to
the right place. He has the right attitude. But I
think it's kind of hard to feel negatively about him
right now.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Yeah, what was the game we played? We played a game.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
I can't remember what it was called, but it was
it was worded in a way that I should remember,
but I'm aging now and can't off the top of
my head, you know. But remember we played that game
where it wasn't quite like stock up stock down.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It was like are you are you high or low?
Something like that on like.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
The prospects of these guys having a good season, and
I'm like, bow Knicks rookie season. Eh, right, yeah, Listen,
he's played pretty well.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
He has.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
I think that he's been a decent quarterback.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Listen, when you have people throwing it out there like, hey,
could bow Knicks catch Jaden Daniels for Offensive Rookie of
the Year? And when I saw that a week ago,
I'm like, whow okay, that's interesting because he's gaining ground quickly.
And Jaden Daniels at the beginning of the season he
was a special.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
He's leveled off a little bit, but.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
Bow Knicks is gaining And if you can say that
when Jayden was so special at the beginning of the season,
it shows you that bon Nick's been really consistent here.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah. So to your point about Jade Daniels, I had
seen or I listened to Robert Mays and Derek Classen
and their Athletics show talking about Nixon talking about Daniels
and saying one thing about Daniels is and he did
this at LSU. His first instinct is to run if
his option is not there, and you kind of want
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him to not do that quite as much because then
you just find out, well, if you just cover up
his option, then he's gonna take off and run. And
even though he was a tremendous athlete and still is,
you can get him down, like you can put him
into a situation where and that's the thing with Lamar,
Like when you got Lamar to the playoffs, Lamar either
stopped running entirely and tried to win it with his arm,
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like I don't really know for what reason, and now
maybe he can do it, or you just forced him
to go exactly with the football where you wanted him
to go with it on the and you were prepared
for it. Jade and Daniels at this point, I think
he's got to figure out that what he did at
LSU isn't always going to work. But his biggest problem
is outside of Terry McLaurin, there's not a lot there.
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M M. They need a couple more pass catchers on
that team that he can really rely on in critical
moments because he's kind of It's sort of like the
Alabama style where they have Ryan Williams and then they
have a bunch of guys. I think you got the
same thing in Washington, where you have Terry McLaurin and
then you have a bunch of guys. And you look
(33:37):
at bo Nicks. He and Sutton have developed a really
nice mix. But he's got some other guys on that
team that he can trust, especially his tight end, and
he's got a value on the outside now too, So
they are finding ways to get more guys involved in
a rhythm, and I think that might be the difference
right now with Daniels and what he's experiencing in Washington.
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I know we need to get to break so we
can come back and we can maybe talk about this
on the flip side. Gosh, there are some matchups. We
haven't really talked about any of the matchups specifically going
into this weekend, so we can do that. I don't
think we need to do Chiefs Raiders. I don't need
I don't think this is gonna be an eight and
O'Connell revenge game, but I guess you never know. We'll
come back. He's broad to know. I'm Jason Martin. This
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is Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
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Speaker 3 (34:32):
Something about this being the song bringing us back, it's
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. He's broad. No,
I'm Jason Martin, and for the guys, he'll be back
on Monday. I hope they had a wonderful holiday. I
hope you did as well. We're in the tyrack dot
Com studios. Something about this just feels right to talk
about Baker Mayfield for.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Was like, are we still talking about Nicks here? And no, yeah,
Baker all right?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Is there any team that's just kind of like, I
don't have any reason necessarily to root for Tampa Bay,
but I kind of like watching them do pretty well.
Baker Mayfield's second act. He's just kind of fully Baker
Mayfield at this point. But you look at like how
it's gone for Cleveland since he left, and how it's
(35:18):
gone for Baker Mayfield, and there's not really any reason
to dislike Tampa Bay unless you're just like an NFC
South fan, and so you just generally don't like them
because their a rival in your own division. I look
at Tampa Bay and I kind of root for them
every week just because there's something about it.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
I like Todd Bowles, I.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
Like that Baker Mayfield plays his guts out on every
single play. They don't have Chris Godwin, They've had Mike
Evans hurt half the time. You got Kate Otton coming
out of nowhere having a great year. Mayfield's drawn up
plays in the dirt on offense going out there. That's
just maybe there's another one that I'm forgetting. But when
I watch the Bucks, I'm just kind of pleasantly excited
(35:57):
to watch them like they they're a fun football team
to watch, even though they're five and six, probably aren't
gonna make a playoff. Maybe they end up winning that division.
That division is not good, but there's something about them
that just kind of makes me smile.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah, you know, I feel the same way. Where it's funny.
You're a pro.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Wrestling guy, ye Jason, and to me, Baker Mayfield has
gone from the heel that you rooted against to the
heel that you root for. That's how I felt about him,
where you know the heels in pro wrestling, where they
might come out and it's like, here's this random dude.
He's supposedly from Iran, you know, and he gets on
(36:38):
and talks about you spoiled Americans and you're all overweight,
and everyone's like boo. That to me is how Baker
Mayfield used to be. And now Baker Mayfield is I
don't know, like he's in the wolf Pack or something.
He's nWo and you're like, Baker Mayfield's kind of cool. Now, yeah,
I don't know what happened where Baker Mayfield's act in
(37:00):
Cleveland was just so annoying where I don't know, he
just had this chip on his shoulder and it was
just annoying. And now that he's rejuvenated his career and
had a couple of stops where he was with the
Panthers and beating the Raiders when he was with the
Rams for less than a week, was like, wow, okay.
(37:22):
And now he's really got his career back on track
in Tampa and all these injuries, he's just a lot
more likable than he previously was and he's really turned
it around. Man like he's a real quarterback again, And
I like how you put that. Look at where the
Browns are right now.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
And one of my good friends that I grew up
with in South Bend, he lives out in Portland, so
I got to see him when I was out there recently.
He's a huge Browns fan, always been a Browns fan
his whole life. And he was like, if we just
had Baker right now, and it's just so it's true,
it really well, he is true. Where would this Browns
team be if they had Baker again or Baker throughout?
(38:07):
It makes you wonder where they would be right now.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
So who's the next candidate to be a Baker Mayfield
type or maybe even a Sam Darnold type where things
have worked out decently well for him so far in Minnesota.
I don't know if he's a long term answer, but
he's certainly having a decent little second act. You had
Ryan Tannehill have that, yeah with the Titans, probably the
best example in terms of success that we've seen there.
The Bucks opponent in a five to six game on
(38:32):
Sunday is against the three and eight Panthers team where
I actually think Bryce Young played really well last week
he did, and I'm very interested to see, like did
he turn a corner? Was this a one time deal?
He was making some tough throws in that game, Brian,
And that's another dude that I'd like to root for.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, right, and it makes you wonder. It's gonna take
a little bit of time. It took time with Baker,
it took time with Geno Smith. Yes, we've seen Sam Darnold.
We've seen a lot of quarterbacks where they weren't very
good immediately, and it's like, we don't give it time.
We just want it to be microwaved. Like you you
(39:07):
put addition the microwave for a minute and you're like,
that's ready. That's how it works with NFL quarterbacks a
lot of the time.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
C J.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Stroud last year at Jade and Daniel's beginning, those are
special starts and uh, you know maybe Daniel Jones maybe,
but it does take some time. Yeah, it takes some
time for some of these guys to pop.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, but maybe don't ask for your own release. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's a circumstance. We'll come back and be no, it
will take us and then take the ship for the
third hour of the program, tons of NFL, and the
eber Flus watch continues. He's still employed right now.
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