September 11, 2024 • 38 mins
The latest allegations against Deshaun Watson may affect his standing with the Browns and the league. The guys may have discovered Watson’s burner account on X and they hand out their midweek awards on “The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.”
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
So I ain't got my voice back. I lost that
from the mosh pit. What would you attribute that to?
Probably the first half of that game? You know what? Else?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is too?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
What the smoke in the air? That might be a two?
It might be dude, I feel weird. Man. You might
be right. You're a hater. Man, What do you mean
your whole life?
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You can't have that for what? Trying to claim stuff
on TV.
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He's so stupid, you've done that.
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Brady super Bowl pick the Cleveland Browns. Uh, they've got
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a little bit of a problem on their hands. It's
you know, and it's uh, it's a guy who makes
a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Deshaun Watson poor play on Sunday. New allegation of a
sexual assault that comes out the following day. So NFL
the spokesman Brian McCarthy says, the league is investigating the
latest playing against him. They're reviewing the claim under the
Personal Conduct policy. So not going to be on the
(02:05):
Commissioner's exemplst. This is going to be viewed under the
personal Conduct Policy. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean they're one and the same. But well that
there was pointed out there like they say, right.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, I'm just saying, like you'd put them on the
commissioner's exemplest during the investigation. They're just choosing not to. Yeah,
it all falls into the player conduct policy. I just
want to know are they tired of hearing this? Like,
is there someone in the NFL who's like, really another
one like don't you think at some point like they're
just so tired of dealing with the same issue in
the same player.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I just wondering if the Browns are tired of him
and they're looking for a way out.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They are somebody's looking for a way of getting the
Browns out of this. They're trying to give them a oop,
simple layup, nice jumper that I mean. It's just the
timing of it is way too It's just it is
too It makes too much sense. Now, I will say this,
(03:05):
I do not believe that it is the Cleveland Browns
that would be doing something like this, but I'm certain
that they're hoping that it works out their way that
they can get from under this this contract. Who else
will be doing it? Do you think this, like, is
the one time that you would think that a team
is hoping that the guy did what it is that
he's that they're saying he did.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look like fingers crossed, Please be.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Get me, please please be something there? Oh no, Like
generally you want to see a guy and not get
in trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I don't know, man, I do not feel bad
for the Cleveland Browns organization at all on any level,
and they can people can point to you, well, because
there's some people to say, man like Kevin Stefanski's in
a bad spot, and all of that is true. They
aggressively pursued a guy that they knew how to track record.
(03:59):
They above and beyond to try and get him. They
paid him all this money, and it.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Feels like ownership did though, Like, could you make the
case that you could feel bad for Stefanski because it
kind of feels like Stefanski really, I mean, he's set
all the right things, but I don't know how much
he was a part of the process.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
What did Stefanski and Baker Mayfield have like a falling out?
Was there some sort of an issue there?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think you're overrating the Stefanski part of this equation,
do you know. I think the front office has a
lot more power there, and I think the owner has
obviously the most and the most saying all of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I just wonder if you pulled Stefanski aside and said, hey,
what are your real thoughts about this situation? Like he like,
I wonder he's probably like I wish we could have
made it work with Baker. Yeah, And I wonder if
he's just and I wonder if he's just tired of
the whole thing, like if he's tired of dealing with
Deshaun Watson the whole Like this entire run with him
has been strange, Like it's never like outside of just
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the play on the field, the injury stuff, the messaging
about the injuries, practice time during this offseason. Now you
get one game in it, it's like, listen, we're not
going to play him in the in the preseason. We're
going to put him out there Week one. He didn't
look good Week one. There's all these other stories that
are now coming out, this one the other. It's like,
(05:17):
I just at some point, and I just keep going
back to Mary Kay Cabin, who said this offseason, look,
they're not going to be hesitant or shy about turning
it over to Jameis Winston if he's strung said that,
and it's I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I know that you said, Yah said yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean, I know in case they call her there
in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I just I know there's a lot of money tied
up in him. I just wonder if they're at the
point where they're like this is a bad deal, Like
why continue to try and go down this road if
he's not playing well, like, we got to try and
when you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know those conversations are taking place behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I mean, look, it's one game in the season. Can
we just let this thing play out.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I mean, seriously, it's one game. It's one week. I
don't look at that. But I agree that.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
There's overreactions everywhere right now, NFL, college football. You know,
college football is two games in the season, NFL's won,
and everyone's like, oh, there, it's over, move on, move.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
On to that. It's like this, it's one game. Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
As far as the allegations, we'll see how that's sorted out, which, again,
what he's been alleged of, all that stuff is heinous.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We've said it back when it took place.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But the NFL, the NFL not putting him on the
exempt list is what makes it most interesting to me,
only because there is some stuff to sort out through this.
You know, if this is true, it's ridiculous that you
would allow a player to keep playing despite of what,
despite what's being alleged, and even if it's not, like
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once you want to make sure you can sort.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Through all of this and not have him play.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This was the whole point of the exemp list for
a player who's in a situation similar to this, which
is why it's really surprising the NFL, for whatever reason,
has stopped using the exemp list.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I've heard that maybe they feel like players can be
blackmailed where these allegations can come up, they get thrown
the exemp list, their reputations hit. Now obviously they're still
getting paid, but you know it hurts bonuses, et cetera
if they're not out there playing. So I've heard those
conversations around the exempt list, But why would you allow
a player to keep playing if this stuff is true?
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And we talked about how well, it's not like he
was proven innocent in the court of law or even
a civil court of law. They settled, and look, if
someone's got a legal opinion, they want to try to
teach us about that what that means. It's like you
could say whatever you want, but that's not proving his innocence.
So in this scenario, why wouldn't you use the exemp list.
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That's what doesn't make any sense about this.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I'm still trying to understand. And if she's come forward
and she's taking him to civil court, obviously that's a
money That's that's the money side of the legal system.
To me, I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's the money, the money side in lieu of being
able to punish him. Right, you can do it criminally
where you take away his freedom, you put him in
jail or try to or you do the civil where
you try to take his assets take his money to
basically pay for the damage that's been caused to you.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
But it's considered to be probably more egregious if if
it's criminal correct, Like, oh.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Again, that's more about the burden of proof and being
able to prove what had taken place. It's easier to
in the civil court of law as opposed to the
criminal court of law.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Is a civil suit serious enough for the league to
suspend him a civil suit if he were to settle
or or lose a civil suit.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
If he lost one, yeah, I personally think it would be. Now,
their burden of proof is different than what it is
in a court of law. But then there's the court
of perception. And so if he did go to trial
and if he did lose in the civil court of law, yes,
I believe it would be enough for him to be
suspended punished. However, the only thing I don't know about
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all this, and this is what we talked about yesterday,
is this happened over the same time period of the
twenty two other allegations. So is there some sort of
grandfather clause in where it's like, hey, this stuff went
on during this period of time. He went through his
rehabilitation during the course of his suspension. They feel like
he's rehabilitated now. It's not happening now. This happened back then,
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so we can't punish him for that. And he had
admitted that there might be some others that come up
that he couldn't specify, as we touched on yesterday, So
even with the contract, like if they signed the contract,
there probably was some sort of clause it's like, hey, look,
this is the current you know, a set of circumstances.
(10:10):
There could be others that come forth. This isn't going
to you know, negate him from making his guaranteed money
within his contract. I would imagine his agent should have
or did in this case, which makes all of this
the fact that he's probably gonna still keep playing and
he's probably gonna still get you know, keep getting paid.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But what if it's new, like I know that the
agent could have possibly did.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
But I'm saying it doesn't matter if it's new, it
feels during the same time period, because they probably put
in some sort of protection in there that would eliminate
the ability from the team of coming back and saying, oh, well,
this this, this one's different.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's like, well is it? That's why to me, it's like,
is the ultimate goal to make money or is the
ultimate goal to impact Deshaun Watson? Because to me, this
this lady, when I read the report, if I read
it correctly, she said that, you know, I don't I
don't know the difference between rape and assault. I don't,
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I don't know. I know she said she did not
have consensual relations with that man. I do recall reading that,
and so if if, if that's what happened, like he
did something to her in that way, and that's what
she's coming out and she's saying, I'm trying to understand,
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how is this a civil suit versus it being a criminal?
How does it become criminal? Because I think that that's
to me, if you're coming out and you're saying what
she's saying or alleging, and and it's the same lawyer
that's that's that's taking on this case. What is their
ultimate goal and why is this The timing of it
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is what I would be wondering because ultimately, I feel
like if it's a criminal situation, if this were to
turn into he is now facing criminal charges, I think
it ratches it up. But maybe again I'm not a
legal guy, so I don't know how all of it works,
but I just feel as though this is a money grab.
(12:16):
This comes across to me as the lawyer takes away
the credit. I hate to say it, the lawyer takes
away the value and the credibility of the claim. Busby, Yeah,
he takes it. He takes it away because I think
it's totally come down to being a money grab for him.
That's what it appears to be to me. And his involvement.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Well, again that comes down to the attorney and to
the alleged victim. They have to decide, you know, what
facts they have and how they want to go out
trying to prove their case.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So you know, again in a criminal case, the burden proof.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Lies in the prosecution, all right, So in this case
it be Tony Busby, and so they have to prove
that the defendants skilled is beyond a reasonable doubt, right,
Like you always hear that term that that's what that is. Okay,
in a civil case, it's different. The plant if only
needs to prove there's a case of preponderance. Preponderance is
just saying that. It's like the amount of evidence that
you in order to persuade that you know that the
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defendants claim is more likely true than not, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Sure, So that's that's very different. It's very different for certain.
But but I don't think.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You can look at like how they're going about doing
it and always say, well, there's motive behind that, like
you know, in a lawsuit like this, or if they
go to trial, they're not going to say, well, it's
a civil suit, so it's just a money grab right now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The perception of it is the right, Yeah, that's the perception.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But the reality is is sometimes that's just the better
way of getting you know, what they feel like justice
for how they've been wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean, I have no from the legal standpoint, I'll
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's like the.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Verbiage the laws, like what that can be voided in
the contract?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What can't?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, and you're not very truthfull you already lied about
It's true, yeah, and I admit to that. But here's
what I do know. Deshaun Watson stinks. Okay, they're screwed
at quarterback and they're not making the playoffs. And I'll
call my shot right now, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Know, don't try to knock down my Super Bowl pick.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Look, I took one week.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We just relaxed.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Look, I took the Bengals to represent the AFC, Like
I got my own.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Problems after right, forums risk on that, like all.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That other stuff to go along with it. But at
least I know that I've seen quality play out of
Joe Burrow when he's there. What is Deshaun Watson done
since he's gotten to Cleveland That leads to anybody to
have any confidence that this team is going places? Because
it didn't look like it was any different on Sunday.
It's kidding even though it's like I said, and and
(14:55):
Q said, it is the preseason, this is the first
this is the preseason game for the Vets. Get it
out of the way and let's see what happens. But
I did not see at Deshaun Watson where I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Like, okay, yeah, like okay, like first game, but like, okay,
a lot of quarterbacks struggle. But you could look at
something like Jaydon Daniels. You know, he struggled, but he
looked good. He looked real athletic. I mean you what,
Aaron Rodgers had some bright moments. He looked good at
moments they struggled. You know, there was some quarterback A
(15:29):
lot of quarterbacks struggle.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Like what was the bright spot for Deshaun Watson? Like
since there was no bright's been there? Like the thrower
was carry Judy the touchdown?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I guess I don't think there were any bright spots
for I just don't. I don't know, man, I'm not
a believer. I'm not in their stock. And this just
seems coincidental to coincidental that this would come up right
after the first game, Jonas.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
What would you do if Deshaun Watson throws for four
touchdowns this next week?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I make sure it's taken out of the podcast what
I just said, Like, I mean, that's what I mean,
I would do the honest thing.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Would would the honest thing ever be just admit and say, hey,
I might have overreacted one game into the twenty.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
What are you talking about I listen Knox locks and
I know everybody was wondering how knocks over three.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes, you gotta say, though, that's the beauty of sports
and that's the beauty of sports talk radio is you
make bold claim yes, and then you can't be.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Any reasonable sports talk like everything has to be oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
This next week. No, it's that yes, strong opinions, strong opinions,
because if you're not giving strong opinions, nobody cares. That's
that's at least that's what I've learned.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I understand that, I understand the business behind it, but
I also think there's an.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Element of like, we can we can be reasonable to it,
and we go.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
About talking about I think it's reasonable to talk about extremes.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think that it's reasonable to think that Deshaun Watson
stinks there's conversations that are taking place, but because they
want to move on from him at some point if
it doesn't improve. I think that's reasonable yet a bold
claim after week one, I think it's both.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I've got more confidence in Stefanski than I do
Deshaun Watson because we've seen Stefanski take this team to
the playoffs twice. Now neither was with Deshaun Watson. The
first was with Baker Mayfield. By the way, least even.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You said start them, Q even you said start Winston.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Famous started said well, first off, I said he should
be a starter somewhere.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, no, right, I mean start him.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Last year was Joe Fla previous to that, wacko for
flop off. Baker Mayfield, like stefanskis shown he can take
this team to the playoffs with various quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But you gotta follow the money. Follow the money. Sorry, buddy,
where's the money? Jonas sensible pocket? There you go.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's too much for his back pocket, my guy. Yes, sir,
doesn't seem to have a backpocket on very much. Just saying, man,
you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Assless chaps, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean, is that his next move?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Next move? I mean, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm telling you, man, I'm just saying, that's that's one
way to massage the buttocks.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm just saying, I'll still be covered up somewhat.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm telling if you want to get this guy back
on track, somebody's got to like put some neon lights
in the shape of a foot in the locker room
and make him feel at home like that's the only
way we're going to get him back. I'm just saying, like, like,
you got to look at what's best.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He was getting harassed by Michael Parsons all game long,
and all I could think about was, Dang, I wonder
what what their agent is thinking right now? Is such
a dilemma. You know what?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We also got toss.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
With such a dilemma on his hands.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Right by the way, we've also got to address the fact.
And I didn't even know this was a real thing
until Brady sent this over that apparently there's some people
that are speculating that maybe we've got a We've got
some burner account speculation going on with Deshaun Watson as
well too, that there might be U might be a
(19:15):
a Roy What.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is it Leroy bickers for? Yes, it's a great I mean,
it does.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Seem like I don't know if it's David or maybe
it's QB coach or someone someone set up this.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Account for him.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So here's all right, here's an idea I have. Since
it's Leroy bickers for on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
How about we have our Leroy Lee.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
De Lap read those tweets and try and decipher whether
or not. They're Deshaun Watson, who's got.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
There's a lot though I can't read them all, ken.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Like, find the best ones during the break and we'll
fire these off.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Next it is.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
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I made the mistake of looking through some of the
replies to this potential burner accountation, Roy never mind, I'll
send it to you, guys, I can't all right, come on,
come on, by the way.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, so yes, this uh, this account was created apparently
right after after the game, or at least he started
replying right after the game.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
On says yes, Lee, Roy bickers for as he's correct.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Uh, so he starts right after the game where somebody says,
you know, Deshaun stinks. What it's rist someone ain't watched
the game line, gives him no time in the pocket
and no chance to make plays.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It goes on and on. Uh, somebody calls him ass.
Now what's asked was the play call and trying to
make him play in a system he's not comfortable in.
So this person was very aware of what Deshaun's comfortable
with or without, bench DeShawn, or you're unseerious about winning,
so Leroy responds, high school, state, chip and college. Natty
says otherwise, sorry, franchise making one of the all time.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Greats look bad?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Goes on Sean Watson needs to go, no protection, sorry,
play calling. Deshaun did all he could today. He's the
furthest thing from the problem.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
He tells another person he'd like to I'd like to
see you try this. Now, here's one that I really like.
It's very telling. Hold on, there's a lot of responses
here like okay, somebody says, wow, Watson sucks, like you
could do any better? Shut up b words sitting on
the couch all day.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Like why would anybody cap up this hard for Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Get rid of MO seriously seriously, Like, what would be
the motive behind it at this moment? Given the allocation
that just surface again and the poor play, why would
strong of a stance?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Well, well, here's the most telling one I could find.
All right, Deshaun, get your ass off Twitter and get
into the film room. Or does Newsom have a table
at uh? Or does new some have a table at
Barely tonight at Barley Tonight anyway, Barley House. I'm sorry,
I didn't realize. Leroy responds, you don't know me, fool.
Go make a frozen meal or something. What This guy's
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calling out to Shaun Watson and he says, you don't
know me, fool.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Oh my god, I'm telling you. It's the It's the
only appropriate enity of this whole Deshaun Watson Cleveland experience
is that if he's got a burner account, please let
this spereal. I've never wanted something to do well get exposed.
I don't know they could I mean, if anybody could expose.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
How did they find out that Kevin Durant had one?
He admitted to it, but how did they figure it? Like,
how did they figure it out enough to get him
to admit?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Similar to this, just overly defending himself every single step
of the way. And then somebody finally asked him and
he's like, yeah, I got burner accounts, but you know he.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Doesn't have the I mean, is there something wrong with
having a burner account? It's a little weird, is it weird? Yeah? Like, okay,
I don't don't find it all, and while while we're
on the topic and the subject of X and looking
at how people are responding to us, I am not
a Dion hater. Dude, I'm not a hater. We could
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get that straight. I don't know what your worst part.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Is about X and stuff is like you can't question anything, like,
for example, like I don't know what the Dion hater thing.
I don't I don't read the comments, and I don't care,
So say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I just happened to look because we're doing this whole
burner account, I understand.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
But my whole point is, like, you know, can you
not question things like whether it's.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Whether it's your people or not right, or.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
The people you're not, Like you should be able to
ask the question right, And that's not like putting you
in one camp or the other.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's just asking a question, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And so you asked the question like it is having
a burner account bat yeah, because all it's doing is
really hiding the identity of the actual person that's either
doing it and who they're defending, or the actual person
if if they're defending themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's like, so why would't you just say it yourself?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Why do you have to have a proxy or someone
else do it for you? Right? Like there's an issue
with that, like if you're gonna say, just say it.
But I don't know, man, well, because they're going to
be judged differently if it comes from their verified account, right,
And they're going and they're probably and they're probably going
to ultimately somehow, some way get into some type of trouble.
(25:45):
Like I feel like a Burner account gives them plausible deniability,
you know, And maybe that's what it is. I don't know.
I I just feel like, what are you worried about?
Why are you worrying about defending yourself on social media?
That mean you won? You've already won no matter what
(26:08):
happens here, if you don't go to jail, like your
reputation is already you know, up for debate. So I mean,
whatever it is you're going to do to live your
life or to make things, you know, however you want
to make them, whether it be right, whether it be
something else, I don't know, but you've already won. So
(26:31):
I don't get it. If this is really true, why
are you out here? Because it does sound very personal?
Why are you out here? Burner accounting and trying to
defend yourself. I don't get it. Well, to what end,
I mean, you're never going to win in social media,
So to what end I.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Mean, there's also you know, other things you could call
in the question, like why that pose in that position
when you're getting a massage? You know, why these like
there's a lot of weird behavior, Like there's just you know,
and and if there was going to be somebody who
had a burner account to defend themselves after a poor
(27:12):
performance in a football game, it would be somebody who's
got a weird background and he would fit the criteria.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So social media.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
In general is just wild because it is in some
ways it presents opportunities to do something like this, and
in other ways it's like you're I mean, sometimes people
are telling things that aren't true. Sometimes there are things
that aren't true. I mean, I mean, I'm not going
to touch on the debate from last night and all that,
because the Springfield, Ohio thing was like a real thing.
But I'll just I'll say this from my personal experience.
(27:43):
Last flight that's I got from Florida to Columbus, Ohio.
At one point they were giving instructions on the plane
in Haitian creole, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Was like, what is that? Is that creole? I was like,
why are they speaking that?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And then I, as I've been in Central Ohio longer,
I've learned of some of the situations going on, and
people try to debunk that stuff. But it's like, all right,
Like some people have real experiences. There's like real stuff
out there. So I don't know, Like I feel like
social media is one of the worst things ever created,
but in some ways it does provide a light on
some truths.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I guess. Oh, it's definitely entertainment as if anything, it's
for good for inner. I get a lot of laughs
off of social media. It's just all about what you're
looking for. Like for me, I look for positivity, So
I look for like really really nice quotes and stuff
like that, or I'll post them myself, or I just
look for funny, funny videos, like stuff that makes me laugh.
(28:40):
But these people that get on here and act crazy
with you're blocked. Yeah that quick? You got blocked that quick?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Huh, I gues it's been going on for a couple
of years.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's Deshaun Watson's Yeah, so he knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Well, he just I think he probably knows who we are. Well, yeah,
that's been there for like a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I mean, ain't got to block me. I am following
him and I'm not a hater, but I just talk
about things that are going on. Well, the thing is, like,
I mean, I mean, why can I.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
What he's done and be alleged is gonna follow him forever.
It's not like that goes away.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And you can and if you want to block everybody
who bust your you know, chops over that same busses button.
Yeah right, I was trying to figure out a different
but I was trying to figure out a different work
because he might a different approach. He might have liked it.
You say that no unblocked me? Yeah right, he might have.
He might like now we're talking my language. Dang.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But I actually think that goes back to like this
was well before all the stuff came out about the
massages and all that, it was his handling of the
Houston Texans where he came out and the report out
there was he was really upset they traded DeAndre Hopkins.
Yet he signed a contract afterwards and a contracted but the.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Reason and given him was they felt like they wanted
to give Deshaun Watson the opportunity to have that locker room.
They said that was Bill O'Brien's reasoning and for moving
on from Deshaun from de House, and.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Bill O'Brien said after the fact, look, if I had
to do it all over again, first of all, I
wouldn't want to be a GM's because he was a
good coach, like they had a lot of success there.
But like his point was, yeah, I probably would have
gotten more in return for DeAndre Hopkins if if that's
a path we wanted to take. But like Deshaun Watson
came out and was everyone trying to take his side
(30:30):
and say, well they ate the organization failed him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
They gave him a contract offer, he accepted it, he
cried at a press conference, was so happy to be
a Houston Texan. And then less than a year later
he bailed on the franchise and left him a bag
of crap. And so just to see everybody that was
kind of left in the in the path of destruction
of Deshaun Watson, whether it was Baker Mayfield who was
outed in Cleveland and now the Houston Texans. Everybody has
(30:56):
thrived after the fact except for him.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, like in the Browns, Yes.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But but even the Browns made the playoffs last year
with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah yeah, I guess yeah, well, I guess you're right.
So at the Browns, I don't know, man, you know,
at a plug in and and then it's a wrap.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
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bro Damn, you're gonna hit me with that. You're gonna
hit me with that.
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There are some good things that happen, man, there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time
for good bad.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Lead to lab who's got what well?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good news.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Lots of good news this.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Week, but Lvar tell me what was especially good.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I thought this week's good news was the way college
football play has been playing out. I really thought it was.
It's been an amazing season so far, because it's just
it's giving you some twisting turns that maybe haven't been
expected in years past. I think the entertainment value and
(33:38):
just the way people are approaching and feeling college football
this year. I don't know I could be speaking out
of turn, but I just think that it's like at
an all time high frenzy of what's next, what's to come,
and so for that, I feel like like this is good.
It's good, like watching like I'm excited, super excited about
(33:59):
college football, maybe even more so than the pros. Right on, Well,
you can't have good without the bad. Jonas Will was
bad this week.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Oh the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I don't get it. I just don't get it. You know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We were kind of pointing out as we were making
our parlay party picks last Friday, and mine was the
easiest money line pick the Bengals just to win. They
don't even have to cover the spread, just win the game.
And they just were lackluster the entire time. And I'm
watching going, no, no, no, they'll make a comeback. They'll
bounce back at some point, they're going to make a charge. No,
(34:33):
it just never happened. New England I assumed was going
to be the worst team in the AFC. I assume
Cincinnati would be the best team in the AFC. That
was my team to represent the conference in the super Bowl.
I'm still confident in them to be able to bounce back,
and I'm gonna ride with Cincinnati because that was my pick.
But that was a bad, bad performance to open up
(34:54):
the year, and as Brady has pointed out, that's the
norm in Cincinnati for some strange reason.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
And from bad to worse, Brady, what was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh boy? Well, quarterback playing in the NFL was ugly.
It wasn't very pretty.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Should improve those as we can, you know, get on
into the season. Their name's loss to Northern Illinois, that
was that was ugly, no other way describing that one.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Probably my foot right now is the ugliest thing, though, I.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Mean it's Wallen just I got bad looking feet as
it is, man, So this ain't helping.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
One of those three, well, one of those three probably
takes the cake so far for this week for something
being ugly.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
The bad is the uglies. He won't send me a
picture of the ugly ankle, No, in fear of what
I will do.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I've been icing it all morning, and it's there's got
to be something pretty wrong with this thing.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Dang, does it look like a mutant A mutant? Yeah,
kind of. I know what you're gonna say. Okay, all right, dang,
well it's not good. There's there's like you got some
some chips or some some you know, stuff like that
in there, bone chips. Yeah, he might have some some
(36:06):
he might have chipped it up, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I mean, do you blame the shoe company?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'm not gonna say the shoe because I actually like
the shoe and it it. You know, probably shouldn't have
been wearing those shoes for what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I was it a loafer?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
No, no, no, no, they're they're actual running shoes some right now.
They're they're running shoes. They're suit there were suit I'll
put it this way. They're super comfortable, but they're one
hundred percent of liability if you just misstep a little bit.
How cushion name dang? So, like I said, I don't
(36:43):
want to say the brand name because I actually know
you know what is his name got?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He just got put on I R injury reserve right
now for the Rams. What's his name? Oh? Okay, yeah,
what did you say? His name was Poka Nicolakaka. Cool. Seriously,
you don't even know you're really hot. You're really on
the track on this one. I have no idea what
you're tying about. Do you have a pair enough? Do I? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
They're super comfortable, right, but like it's like stepping off
a curve if you step on the side of your shoe.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know, there's some nikes like that too, And I'll
tell you what it's like. It's almost like it built
you the cushion that you need for your achilles, tendont,
your ankle, all that. Yeah, it's great until you missed that.
Until you missed that well, because they're strictly for going forward.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, they're going forward. They don't even want you to
go backwards. No go, no going backwards. They're like walking
UFO forward, running forward.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
That's just right. Yeah, Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know what, I think you're gonna bounce back. I
got faith. I think he's gonna bounce back strong, like
he's gonna get through it. I don't think we're gonna
need surgery. I think we're just gonna be on the
men this a little.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Bit, and you know what, if it doesn't work out
that way, just get your burner account and start venting
on people. That's all that's true. What would make you
feel out? Lero Leroy bicker Staff, what it is? Weird?
That's it's it's four. It's like I could have hit
(38:13):
it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
There's no Listen, he's capable of a lot. There's no
way that's his Burder account.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It's gotta be someone with this team. It's gotta be
someone in his circle. Yeah, that's somebody, though.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's somebody you don't know me. Fo, go cook one
of them TV dinners, one of them frozen food dinners.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
So I ain't got my voice back. I lost that
from the mosh pit. What would you attribute that to?
Probably the first half of that game? You know what? Else?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It is too?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
What the smoke in the air? That might be a two?
It might be dude, I feel weird. Man. You might
be right. You're a hater. Man, What do you mean
your whole life?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
You can't have that for what? Trying to claim stuff
on TV.
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He's so stupid, you've done that.
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Brady super Bowl pick the Cleveland Browns. Uh, they've got
(01:38):
a little bit of a problem on their hands. It's
you know, and it's uh, it's a guy who makes
a ton of money.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Deshaun Watson poor play on Sunday. New allegation of a
sexual assault that comes out the following day. So NFL
the spokesman Brian McCarthy says, the league is investigating the
latest playing against him. They're reviewing the claim under the
Personal Conduct policy. So not going to be on the
(02:05):
Commissioner's exemplst. This is going to be viewed under the
personal Conduct Policy. I have no idea.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I mean they're one and the same. But well that
there was pointed out there like they say, right.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, I'm just saying, like you'd put them on the
commissioner's exemplest during the investigation. They're just choosing not to. Yeah,
it all falls into the player conduct policy. I just
want to know are they tired of hearing this? Like,
is there someone in the NFL who's like, really another
one like don't you think at some point like they're
just so tired of dealing with the same issue in
the same player.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I just wondering if the Browns are tired of him
and they're looking for a way out.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They are somebody's looking for a way of getting the
Browns out of this. They're trying to give them a oop,
simple layup, nice jumper that I mean. It's just the
timing of it is way too It's just it is
too It makes too much sense. Now, I will say this,
(03:05):
I do not believe that it is the Cleveland Browns
that would be doing something like this, but I'm certain
that they're hoping that it works out their way that
they can get from under this this contract. Who else
will be doing it? Do you think this, like, is
the one time that you would think that a team
is hoping that the guy did what it is that
he's that they're saying he did.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Look like fingers crossed, Please be.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Get me, please please be something there? Oh no, Like
generally you want to see a guy and not get
in trouble.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
But I don't know, man, I do not feel bad
for the Cleveland Browns organization at all on any level,
and they can people can point to you, well, because
there's some people to say, man like Kevin Stefanski's in
a bad spot, and all of that is true. They
aggressively pursued a guy that they knew how to track record.
(03:59):
They above and beyond to try and get him. They
paid him all this money, and it.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Feels like ownership did though, Like, could you make the
case that you could feel bad for Stefanski because it
kind of feels like Stefanski really, I mean, he's set
all the right things, but I don't know how much
he was a part of the process.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
What did Stefanski and Baker Mayfield have like a falling out?
Was there some sort of an issue there?
Speaker 4 (04:23):
I think you're overrating the Stefanski part of this equation,
do you know. I think the front office has a
lot more power there, and I think the owner has
obviously the most and the most saying all of it.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I just wonder if you pulled Stefanski aside and said, hey,
what are your real thoughts about this situation? Like he like,
I wonder he's probably like I wish we could have
made it work with Baker. Yeah, And I wonder if
he's just and I wonder if he's just tired of
the whole thing, like if he's tired of dealing with
Deshaun Watson the whole Like this entire run with him
has been strange, Like it's never like outside of just
(04:57):
the play on the field, the injury stuff, the messaging
about the injuries, practice time during this offseason. Now you
get one game in it, it's like, listen, we're not
going to play him in the in the preseason. We're
going to put him out there Week one. He didn't
look good Week one. There's all these other stories that
are now coming out, this one the other. It's like,
(05:17):
I just at some point, and I just keep going
back to Mary Kay Cabin, who said this offseason, look,
they're not going to be hesitant or shy about turning
it over to Jameis Winston if he's strung said that,
and it's I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I know that you said, Yah said yeah, yeah, yeah,
I mean, I know in case they call her there
in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
I just I know there's a lot of money tied
up in him. I just wonder if they're at the
point where they're like this is a bad deal, Like
why continue to try and go down this road if
he's not playing well, like, we got to try and
when you.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Know those conversations are taking place behind closed doors.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I mean, look, it's one game in the season. Can
we just let this thing play out.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I mean, seriously, it's one game. It's one week. I
don't look at that. But I agree that.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
There's overreactions everywhere right now, NFL, college football. You know,
college football is two games in the season, NFL's won,
and everyone's like, oh, there, it's over, move on, move.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
On to that. It's like this, it's one game. Now.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
As far as the allegations, we'll see how that's sorted out, which, again,
what he's been alleged of, all that stuff is heinous.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
We've said it back when it took place.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But the NFL, the NFL not putting him on the
exempt list is what makes it most interesting to me,
only because there is some stuff to sort out through this.
You know, if this is true, it's ridiculous that you
would allow a player to keep playing despite of what,
despite what's being alleged, and even if it's not, like
(06:52):
once you want to make sure you can sort.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Through all of this and not have him play.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
This was the whole point of the exemp list for
a player who's in a situation similar to this, which
is why it's really surprising the NFL, for whatever reason,
has stopped using the exemp list.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
I've heard that maybe they feel like players can be
blackmailed where these allegations can come up, they get thrown
the exemp list, their reputations hit. Now obviously they're still
getting paid, but you know it hurts bonuses, et cetera
if they're not out there playing. So I've heard those
conversations around the exempt list, But why would you allow
a player to keep playing if this stuff is true?
(07:34):
And we talked about how well, it's not like he
was proven innocent in the court of law or even
a civil court of law. They settled, and look, if
someone's got a legal opinion, they want to try to
teach us about that what that means. It's like you
could say whatever you want, but that's not proving his innocence.
So in this scenario, why wouldn't you use the exemp list.
(07:55):
That's what doesn't make any sense about this.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I'm still trying to understand. And if she's come forward
and she's taking him to civil court, obviously that's a
money That's that's the money side of the legal system.
To me, I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's the money, the money side in lieu of being
able to punish him. Right, you can do it criminally
where you take away his freedom, you put him in
jail or try to or you do the civil where
you try to take his assets take his money to
basically pay for the damage that's been caused to you.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
But it's considered to be probably more egregious if if
it's criminal correct, Like, oh.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Again, that's more about the burden of proof and being
able to prove what had taken place. It's easier to
in the civil court of law as opposed to the
criminal court of law.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Is a civil suit serious enough for the league to
suspend him a civil suit if he were to settle
or or lose a civil suit.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
If he lost one, yeah, I personally think it would be. Now,
their burden of proof is different than what it is
in a court of law. But then there's the court
of perception. And so if he did go to trial
and if he did lose in the civil court of law, yes,
I believe it would be enough for him to be
suspended punished. However, the only thing I don't know about
(09:24):
all this, and this is what we talked about yesterday,
is this happened over the same time period of the
twenty two other allegations. So is there some sort of
grandfather clause in where it's like, hey, this stuff went
on during this period of time. He went through his
rehabilitation during the course of his suspension. They feel like
he's rehabilitated now. It's not happening now. This happened back then,
(09:48):
so we can't punish him for that. And he had
admitted that there might be some others that come up
that he couldn't specify, as we touched on yesterday, So
even with the contract, like if they signed the contract,
there probably was some sort of clause it's like, hey, look,
this is the current you know, a set of circumstances.
(10:10):
There could be others that come forth. This isn't going
to you know, negate him from making his guaranteed money
within his contract. I would imagine his agent should have
or did in this case, which makes all of this
the fact that he's probably gonna still keep playing and
he's probably gonna still get you know, keep getting paid.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But what if it's new, like I know that the
agent could have possibly did.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
But I'm saying it doesn't matter if it's new, it
feels during the same time period, because they probably put
in some sort of protection in there that would eliminate
the ability from the team of coming back and saying, oh, well,
this this, this one's different.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's like, well is it? That's why to me, it's like,
is the ultimate goal to make money or is the
ultimate goal to impact Deshaun Watson? Because to me, this
this lady, when I read the report, if I read
it correctly, she said that, you know, I don't I
don't know the difference between rape and assault. I don't,
(11:10):
I don't know. I know she said she did not
have consensual relations with that man. I do recall reading that,
and so if if, if that's what happened, like he
did something to her in that way, and that's what
she's coming out and she's saying, I'm trying to understand,
(11:31):
how is this a civil suit versus it being a criminal?
How does it become criminal? Because I think that that's
to me, if you're coming out and you're saying what
she's saying or alleging, and and it's the same lawyer
that's that's that's taking on this case. What is their
ultimate goal and why is this The timing of it
(11:54):
is what I would be wondering because ultimately, I feel
like if it's a criminal situation, if this were to
turn into he is now facing criminal charges, I think
it ratches it up. But maybe again I'm not a
legal guy, so I don't know how all of it works,
but I just feel as though this is a money grab.
(12:16):
This comes across to me as the lawyer takes away
the credit. I hate to say it, the lawyer takes
away the value and the credibility of the claim. Busby, Yeah,
he takes it. He takes it away because I think
it's totally come down to being a money grab for him.
That's what it appears to be to me. And his involvement.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Well, again that comes down to the attorney and to
the alleged victim. They have to decide, you know, what
facts they have and how they want to go out
trying to prove their case.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
So you know, again in a criminal case, the burden proof.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Lies in the prosecution, all right, So in this case
it be Tony Busby, and so they have to prove
that the defendants skilled is beyond a reasonable doubt, right,
Like you always hear that term that that's what that is. Okay,
in a civil case, it's different. The plant if only
needs to prove there's a case of preponderance. Preponderance is
just saying that. It's like the amount of evidence that
you in order to persuade that you know that the
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defendants claim is more likely true than not, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Sure, So that's that's very different. It's very different for certain.
But but I don't think.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
You can look at like how they're going about doing
it and always say, well, there's motive behind that, like
you know, in a lawsuit like this, or if they
go to trial, they're not going to say, well, it's
a civil suit, so it's just a money grab right now.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
The perception of it is the right, Yeah, that's the perception.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
But the reality is is sometimes that's just the better
way of getting you know, what they feel like justice
for how they've been wrong.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
I mean, I have no from the legal standpoint, I'll
be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's like the.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Verbiage the laws, like what that can be voided in
the contract?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
What can't?
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Well, and you're not very truthfull you already lied about
It's true, yeah, and I admit to that. But here's
what I do know. Deshaun Watson stinks. Okay, they're screwed
at quarterback and they're not making the playoffs. And I'll
call my shot right now, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Know, don't try to knock down my Super Bowl pick.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Look, I took one week.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
We just relaxed.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Look, I took the Bengals to represent the AFC, Like
I got my own.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Problems after right, forums risk on that, like all.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That other stuff to go along with it. But at
least I know that I've seen quality play out of
Joe Burrow when he's there. What is Deshaun Watson done
since he's gotten to Cleveland That leads to anybody to
have any confidence that this team is going places? Because
it didn't look like it was any different on Sunday.
It's kidding even though it's like I said, and and
(14:55):
Q said, it is the preseason, this is the first
this is the preseason game for the Vets. Get it
out of the way and let's see what happens. But
I did not see at Deshaun Watson where I was.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Like, okay, yeah, like okay, like first game, but like, okay,
a lot of quarterbacks struggle. But you could look at
something like Jaydon Daniels. You know, he struggled, but he
looked good. He looked real athletic. I mean you what,
Aaron Rodgers had some bright moments. He looked good at
moments they struggled. You know, there was some quarterback A
(15:29):
lot of quarterbacks struggle.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Like what was the bright spot for Deshaun Watson? Like
since there was no bright's been there? Like the thrower
was carry Judy the touchdown?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
I guess I don't think there were any bright spots
for I just don't. I don't know, man, I'm not
a believer. I'm not in their stock. And this just
seems coincidental to coincidental that this would come up right
after the first game, Jonas.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
What would you do if Deshaun Watson throws for four
touchdowns this next week?
Speaker 3 (16:01):
I make sure it's taken out of the podcast what
I just said, Like, I mean, that's what I mean,
I would do the honest thing.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Would would the honest thing ever be just admit and say, hey,
I might have overreacted one game into the twenty.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
What are you talking about I listen Knox locks and
I know everybody was wondering how knocks over three.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yes, you gotta say, though, that's the beauty of sports
and that's the beauty of sports talk radio is you
make bold claim yes, and then you can't be.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Any reasonable sports talk like everything has to be oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
This next week. No, it's that yes, strong opinions, strong opinions,
because if you're not giving strong opinions, nobody cares. That's
that's at least that's what I've learned.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I understand that, I understand the business behind it, but
I also think there's an.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Element of like, we can we can be reasonable to it,
and we go.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
About talking about I think it's reasonable to talk about extremes.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I think that it's reasonable to think that Deshaun Watson
stinks there's conversations that are taking place, but because they
want to move on from him at some point if
it doesn't improve. I think that's reasonable yet a bold
claim after week one, I think it's both.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
And I've got more confidence in Stefanski than I do
Deshaun Watson because we've seen Stefanski take this team to
the playoffs twice. Now neither was with Deshaun Watson. The
first was with Baker Mayfield. By the way, least even.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
You said start them, Q even you said start Winston.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Famous started said well, first off, I said he should
be a starter somewhere.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Okay, no, right, I mean start him.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Last year was Joe Fla previous to that, wacko for
flop off. Baker Mayfield, like stefanskis shown he can take
this team to the playoffs with various quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But you gotta follow the money. Follow the money. Sorry, buddy,
where's the money? Jonas sensible pocket? There you go.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's too much for his back pocket, my guy. Yes, sir,
doesn't seem to have a backpocket on very much. Just saying, man,
you know.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Assless chaps, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I mean, is that his next move?
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Next move? I mean, all right, let's move on.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'm telling you, man, I'm just saying, that's that's one
way to massage the buttocks.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I'm just saying, I'll still be covered up somewhat.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
I'm telling if you want to get this guy back
on track, somebody's got to like put some neon lights
in the shape of a foot in the locker room
and make him feel at home like that's the only
way we're going to get him back. I'm just saying, like, like,
you got to look at what's best.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
He was getting harassed by Michael Parsons all game long,
and all I could think about was, Dang, I wonder
what what their agent is thinking right now? Is such
a dilemma. You know what?
Speaker 3 (18:51):
We also got toss.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
With such a dilemma on his hands.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Right by the way, we've also got to address the fact.
And I didn't even know this was a real thing
until Brady sent this over that apparently there's some people
that are speculating that maybe we've got a We've got
some burner account speculation going on with Deshaun Watson as
well too, that there might be U might be a
(19:15):
a Roy What.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Is it Leroy bickers for? Yes, it's a great I mean,
it does.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Seem like I don't know if it's David or maybe
it's QB coach or someone someone set up this.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Account for him.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
So here's all right, here's an idea I have. Since
it's Leroy bickers for on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
How about we have our Leroy Lee.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
De Lap read those tweets and try and decipher whether
or not. They're Deshaun Watson, who's got.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
There's a lot though I can't read them all, ken.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Like, find the best ones during the break and we'll
fire these off.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Next it is.
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I made the mistake of looking through some of the
replies to this potential burner accountation, Roy never mind, I'll
send it to you, guys, I can't all right, come on,
come on, by the way.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
Yeah, so yes, this uh, this account was created apparently
right after after the game, or at least he started
replying right after the game.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
On says yes, Lee, Roy bickers for as he's correct.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Uh, so he starts right after the game where somebody says,
you know, Deshaun stinks. What it's rist someone ain't watched
the game line, gives him no time in the pocket
and no chance to make plays.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
It goes on and on. Uh, somebody calls him ass.
Now what's asked was the play call and trying to
make him play in a system he's not comfortable in.
So this person was very aware of what Deshaun's comfortable
with or without, bench DeShawn, or you're unseerious about winning,
so Leroy responds, high school, state, chip and college. Natty
says otherwise, sorry, franchise making one of the all time.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Greats look bad?
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Goes on Sean Watson needs to go, no protection, sorry,
play calling. Deshaun did all he could today. He's the
furthest thing from the problem.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
He tells another person he'd like to I'd like to
see you try this. Now, here's one that I really like.
It's very telling. Hold on, there's a lot of responses
here like okay, somebody says, wow, Watson sucks, like you
could do any better? Shut up b words sitting on
the couch all day.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Like why would anybody cap up this hard for Deshaun Watson?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Get rid of MO seriously seriously, Like, what would be
the motive behind it at this moment? Given the allocation
that just surface again and the poor play, why would
strong of a stance?
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Well, well, here's the most telling one I could find.
All right, Deshaun, get your ass off Twitter and get
into the film room. Or does Newsom have a table
at uh? Or does new some have a table at
Barely tonight at Barley Tonight anyway, Barley House. I'm sorry,
I didn't realize. Leroy responds, you don't know me, fool.
Go make a frozen meal or something. What This guy's
(23:31):
calling out to Shaun Watson and he says, you don't
know me, fool.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Oh my god, I'm telling you. It's the It's the
only appropriate enity of this whole Deshaun Watson Cleveland experience
is that if he's got a burner account, please let
this spereal. I've never wanted something to do well get exposed.
I don't know they could I mean, if anybody could expose.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
How did they find out that Kevin Durant had one?
He admitted to it, but how did they figure it? Like,
how did they figure it out enough to get him
to admit?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Similar to this, just overly defending himself every single step
of the way. And then somebody finally asked him and
he's like, yeah, I got burner accounts, but you know he.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Doesn't have the I mean, is there something wrong with
having a burner account? It's a little weird, is it weird? Yeah? Like, okay,
I don't don't find it all, and while while we're
on the topic and the subject of X and looking
at how people are responding to us, I am not
a Dion hater. Dude, I'm not a hater. We could
(24:34):
get that straight. I don't know what your worst part.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Is about X and stuff is like you can't question anything, like,
for example, like I don't know what the Dion hater thing.
I don't I don't read the comments, and I don't care,
So say whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I just happened to look because we're doing this whole
burner account, I understand.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
But my whole point is, like, you know, can you
not question things like whether it's.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Whether it's your people or not right, or.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
The people you're not, Like you should be able to
ask the question right, And that's not like putting you
in one camp or the other.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
It's just asking a question, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
And so you asked the question like it is having
a burner account bat yeah, because all it's doing is
really hiding the identity of the actual person that's either
doing it and who they're defending, or the actual person
if if they're defending themselves.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's like, so why would't you just say it yourself?
Speaker 4 (25:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Why do you have to have a proxy or someone
else do it for you? Right? Like there's an issue
with that, like if you're gonna say, just say it.
But I don't know, man, well, because they're going to
be judged differently if it comes from their verified account, right,
And they're going and they're probably and they're probably going
to ultimately somehow, some way get into some type of trouble.
(25:45):
Like I feel like a Burner account gives them plausible deniability,
you know, And maybe that's what it is. I don't know.
I I just feel like, what are you worried about?
Why are you worrying about defending yourself on social media?
That mean you won? You've already won no matter what
(26:08):
happens here, if you don't go to jail, like your
reputation is already you know, up for debate. So I mean,
whatever it is you're going to do to live your
life or to make things, you know, however you want
to make them, whether it be right, whether it be
something else, I don't know, but you've already won. So
(26:31):
I don't get it. If this is really true, why
are you out here? Because it does sound very personal?
Why are you out here? Burner accounting and trying to
defend yourself. I don't get it. Well, to what end,
I mean, you're never going to win in social media,
So to what end I.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Mean, there's also you know, other things you could call
in the question, like why that pose in that position
when you're getting a massage? You know, why these like
there's a lot of weird behavior, Like there's just you know,
and and if there was going to be somebody who
had a burner account to defend themselves after a poor
(27:12):
performance in a football game, it would be somebody who's
got a weird background and he would fit the criteria.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So social media.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
In general is just wild because it is in some
ways it presents opportunities to do something like this, and
in other ways it's like you're I mean, sometimes people
are telling things that aren't true. Sometimes there are things
that aren't true. I mean, I mean, I'm not going
to touch on the debate from last night and all that,
because the Springfield, Ohio thing was like a real thing.
But I'll just I'll say this from my personal experience.
(27:43):
Last flight that's I got from Florida to Columbus, Ohio.
At one point they were giving instructions on the plane
in Haitian creole, and I.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Was like, what is that? Is that creole? I was like,
why are they speaking that?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
And then I, as I've been in Central Ohio longer,
I've learned of some of the situations going on, and
people try to debunk that stuff. But it's like, all right,
Like some people have real experiences. There's like real stuff
out there. So I don't know, Like I feel like
social media is one of the worst things ever created,
but in some ways it does provide a light on
some truths.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I guess. Oh, it's definitely entertainment as if anything, it's
for good for inner. I get a lot of laughs
off of social media. It's just all about what you're
looking for. Like for me, I look for positivity, So
I look for like really really nice quotes and stuff
like that, or I'll post them myself, or I just
look for funny, funny videos, like stuff that makes me laugh.
(28:40):
But these people that get on here and act crazy
with you're blocked. Yeah that quick? You got blocked that quick?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Huh, I gues it's been going on for a couple
of years.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
That's Deshaun Watson's Yeah, so he knows who you are.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Well, he just I think he probably knows who we are. Well, yeah,
that's been there for like a couple of years.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I mean, ain't got to block me. I am following
him and I'm not a hater, but I just talk
about things that are going on. Well, the thing is, like,
I mean, I mean, why can I.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
What he's done and be alleged is gonna follow him forever.
It's not like that goes away.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
And you can and if you want to block everybody
who bust your you know, chops over that same busses button.
Yeah right, I was trying to figure out a different
but I was trying to figure out a different work
because he might a different approach. He might have liked it.
You say that no unblocked me? Yeah right, he might have.
He might like now we're talking my language. Dang.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
But I actually think that goes back to like this
was well before all the stuff came out about the
massages and all that, it was his handling of the
Houston Texans where he came out and the report out
there was he was really upset they traded DeAndre Hopkins.
Yet he signed a contract afterwards and a contracted but the.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Reason and given him was they felt like they wanted
to give Deshaun Watson the opportunity to have that locker room.
They said that was Bill O'Brien's reasoning and for moving
on from Deshaun from de House, and.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Bill O'Brien said after the fact, look, if I had
to do it all over again, first of all, I
wouldn't want to be a GM's because he was a
good coach, like they had a lot of success there.
But like his point was, yeah, I probably would have
gotten more in return for DeAndre Hopkins if if that's
a path we wanted to take. But like Deshaun Watson
came out and was everyone trying to take his side
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and say, well they ate the organization failed him.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
No, they didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
They gave him a contract offer, he accepted it, he
cried at a press conference, was so happy to be
a Houston Texan. And then less than a year later
he bailed on the franchise and left him a bag
of crap. And so just to see everybody that was
kind of left in the in the path of destruction
of Deshaun Watson, whether it was Baker Mayfield who was
outed in Cleveland and now the Houston Texans. Everybody has
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thrived after the fact except for him.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, like in the Browns, Yes.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
But but even the Browns made the playoffs last year
with Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah yeah, I guess yeah, well, I guess you're right.
So at the Browns, I don't know, man, you know,
at a plug in and and then it's a wrap.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
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Speaker 1 (31:32):
Really good because you did just plug DraftKings. Bang bang
bang bang. Why are you so greedy? Doug? You know what,
bro Damn, you're gonna hit me with that. You're gonna
hit me with that.
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There are some good things that happen, man, there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time
for good bad.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
All right.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Lead to lab who's got what well?
Speaker 5 (33:04):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good news.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Lots of good news this.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Week, but Lvar tell me what was especially good.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I thought this week's good news was the way college
football play has been playing out. I really thought it was.
It's been an amazing season so far, because it's just
it's giving you some twisting turns that maybe haven't been
expected in years past. I think the entertainment value and
(33:38):
just the way people are approaching and feeling college football
this year. I don't know I could be speaking out
of turn, but I just think that it's like at
an all time high frenzy of what's next, what's to come,
and so for that, I feel like like this is good.
It's good, like watching like I'm excited, super excited about
(33:59):
college football, maybe even more so than the pros. Right on, Well,
you can't have good without the bad. Jonas Will was
bad this week.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Oh the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I don't get it. I just don't get it. You know.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
We were kind of pointing out as we were making
our parlay party picks last Friday, and mine was the
easiest money line pick the Bengals just to win. They
don't even have to cover the spread, just win the game.
And they just were lackluster the entire time. And I'm
watching going, no, no, no, they'll make a comeback. They'll
bounce back at some point, they're going to make a charge. No,
(34:33):
it just never happened. New England I assumed was going
to be the worst team in the AFC. I assume
Cincinnati would be the best team in the AFC. That
was my team to represent the conference in the super Bowl.
I'm still confident in them to be able to bounce back,
and I'm gonna ride with Cincinnati because that was my pick.
But that was a bad, bad performance to open up
(34:54):
the year, and as Brady has pointed out, that's the
norm in Cincinnati for some strange reason.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
And from bad to worse, Brady, what was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Oh boy? Well, quarterback playing in the NFL was ugly.
It wasn't very pretty.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
Should improve those as we can, you know, get on
into the season. Their name's loss to Northern Illinois, that
was that was ugly, no other way describing that one.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Probably my foot right now is the ugliest thing, though, I.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Mean it's Wallen just I got bad looking feet as
it is, man, So this ain't helping.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
One of those three, well, one of those three probably
takes the cake so far for this week for something
being ugly.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
The bad is the uglies. He won't send me a
picture of the ugly ankle, No, in fear of what
I will do.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I've been icing it all morning, and it's there's got
to be something pretty wrong with this thing.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Dang, does it look like a mutant A mutant? Yeah,
kind of. I know what you're gonna say. Okay, all right, dang,
well it's not good. There's there's like you got some
some chips or some some you know, stuff like that
in there, bone chips. Yeah, he might have some some
(36:06):
he might have chipped it up, you know.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I mean, do you blame the shoe company?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
I do.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
I'm not gonna say the shoe because I actually like
the shoe and it it. You know, probably shouldn't have
been wearing those shoes for what I was doing.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I was it a loafer?
Speaker 4 (36:23):
No, no, no, no, they're they're actual running shoes some right now.
They're they're running shoes. They're suit there were suit I'll
put it this way. They're super comfortable, but they're one
hundred percent of liability if you just misstep a little bit.
How cushion name dang? So, like I said, I don't
(36:43):
want to say the brand name because I actually know
you know what is his name got?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
He just got put on I R injury reserve right
now for the Rams. What's his name? Oh? Okay, yeah,
what did you say? His name was Poka Nicolakaka. Cool. Seriously,
you don't even know you're really hot. You're really on
the track on this one. I have no idea what
you're tying about. Do you have a pair enough? Do I? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:08):
They're super comfortable, right, but like it's like stepping off
a curve if you step on the side of your shoe.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
You know, there's some nikes like that too, And I'll
tell you what it's like. It's almost like it built
you the cushion that you need for your achilles, tendont,
your ankle, all that. Yeah, it's great until you missed that.
Until you missed that well, because they're strictly for going forward.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
Yeah, they're going forward. They don't even want you to
go backwards. No go, no going backwards. They're like walking
UFO forward, running forward.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
That's just right. Yeah, Well there you go.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You know what, I think you're gonna bounce back. I
got faith. I think he's gonna bounce back strong, like
he's gonna get through it. I don't think we're gonna
need surgery. I think we're just gonna be on the
men this a little.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Bit, and you know what, if it doesn't work out
that way, just get your burner account and start venting
on people. That's all that's true. What would make you
feel out? Lero Leroy bicker Staff, what it is? Weird?
That's it's it's four. It's like I could have hit
(38:13):
it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
There's no Listen, he's capable of a lot. There's no
way that's his Burder account.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
It's gotta be someone with this team. It's gotta be
someone in his circle. Yeah, that's somebody, though.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
It's somebody you don't know me. Fo, go cook one
of them TV dinners, one of them frozen food dinners.
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