April 4, 2025 • 38 mins
The Giants are convinced Cam Ward is going 1st and Shedeur Sanders 2nd, so where are they going at No.3? The Falcons have already paid Kirk Cousins to be backup, but picks can knock him loose. Joe Milton backing up Dak Prescott should light a fire under his ass and much more!
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like if you know who's going to be, if it's
a foregone conclusion, Hey, you know who's going number one
in the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
You know who's going number two in the draft.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
You know, like it says, when does the draft start
for you guys, when does the draft start?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Cam Ward's going one, number two?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, okay, So it still is open to the potential,
even though the feeling is, well, it's going to be
Abdual Carter too, is it well? I mean, if you
believe DraftKings, if you believe the betting odds, it's been
heavily favoring Abdul It's early, though.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
I know it's early, and those have been wrong this early.
And I'm not saying that Abdual Carter doesn't deserve to
be that, you know, taking that slot and that wouldn't
make a lot of sense, But we don't know. The
reality is, we don't know what Cleveland's going to do.
Their cap situation is a mess. It sounds like from
all reports that they would like to trade for Cousins,
but again, taking on his cap hit ain't gonna happen,
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and they've got and Atlanta's got to figure out a
way of dealing with I don't want to call it
a mistake with what they did last year, but I'm
not sure in the front office how you justify that
to your owner, Arthur Blank.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, when you.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Signed Kirk Cousins to in essence really a two year
deal because those two years of fully you know, guaranteed
in that full guarantees in that contract. You thought you
were committing to him for that, and then once you
drove Penix in the top ten, it's like, well, this
never works.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You know, usually if you.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Take a guy in the top ten like that, you're
gonna play him. At least that's what history has told us,
and that's how it ended up playing out. So now
they find themselves with a quarterback who's that really expensive
backup or it called it an insurance policy if Penix gets hurt,
but they can't even move on from him because the
way they structured and the cap hit a team like
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the Browns would take. So we keep going back to
and then this isn't like against Rahiem Morris, but all
parties involved in Atlanta who persuaded Arthur Blank away from
Bill Belichick. I don't think Bill Belichick would have made
the moves that Atlanta made last offseason, and they probably
would be in a much different position right now.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Look, you could say they, oh, they might be worse.
Why I don't, I don't you know, I don't I
don't know, probably not. It's not like you go back
and look at last year Atlanta and go, oh yeah,
that's you know, really can't It's just it wasn't like
they built really much of a foundation off anything. We
head in this off season, like you still have questions
about them, like does anyone have a good feel for
what Atlanta's going to be this year?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No, I would assume better rather than worse, though, I'd
assume that they're most likely going to contend for the
sow Division.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But why are.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
They going to be better than the Saints if Derek
Carr is there unhealthy and Kelvin Morris, who's got more
offensive prowess?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, like Tampa who who won it last year? I
do not know. I mean, Carolina is the.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Only team I think it's it's fair to say they
would be better then it's Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And outside of that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
They started to improve a little bit. They showed some
signs of improvement toward this season.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
But I bet if we looked at the odds right
now for that division, Carolina be last, Tampa's probably first,
and you probably have a close tie or whatever between
Atlanta and you know, looking at the rest of it,
like I just I look at it and go, they've
put themselves in this position now, and it leads me
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to think, like the Browns probably would rather have k
Kirk Cousins at this point. I think, based on how
things went, he's a fit for Stefanski. There's a past there.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
But did you see the Arthur blank comments about Kirk Cousins.
So he was talking this week and The Athletic reported
on it. He said, quote, one of the things you
learn as you live life is there's no point in
living in the past. Obviously, at the time we made
a commitment to Kirk and Kirk did to us, circumstances
were extraordinarily different than they are today. Not his fault,
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not our fault. Sometimes life doesn't develop the way you
wanted to develop. Then he went on to say, quote,
we've already paid him. I've never been a risk averse
type of person. I think the plan to sign Cousins
and draft Panics was an excellent plan from our standpoint
and from Kirk's standpoint. He made a wise financial investment.
So he's basically just saying, listen, tough balls man, you
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made a bunch of money, all right, So things could
be worse and they're just gonna hold on to him
until they get a deal that they think makes sense
to them.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So I don't know if it's twitching hostage.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
All that is is draft conversation. Yeah, I mean, here's
what's going to happen. It's gonna be the Falcons paying
for a substantial portion of Cousins contract.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Or whatever was left on it.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
However, they work that out and the Brown's giving up
a high draft pick for him. So it's gonna look
like on paper like, oh, the Brown's give up a
second round pick or you know whatever it is a
third and a sixth for Kirk Cousins, But really they're
buying those draft picks. I mean, yes, Kirk Cousins comes
along with that. He would start play well in that
system for them. But there's that's also the other portion
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to all this, and that's like what the NFL hates,
like letting it, you know, become public, because they don't
want it to be perceived that teams are able to
buy draft picks, like there's not a price stag on him,
even though we've seen examples of that in the past.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know, I wonder because the quarterbacks conversation is such
a large one for Cleveland. Why hasn't there been more
talk about possibly taking Shador at two?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why not? I mean, if you think.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
About it, you're strapped with Deshaun Watson. He may return
this season, who knows at what point in time he
does return, and if he does, you do you even
want to play him? Like I mean, now hearing the
owner say that that was a miss, you know with
Deshaun Watson, it almost is again, I feel like they
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freed Stefanski and this team from the bondage of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And so now if you're moving on, I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Could look at Kirk Cousins, But how much of how
much of a solution is Kirk Cousins for us long term?
That would be my biggest concern right now because of
I guess the way it kind of ended for him
in Atlanta. So if I had the number two overall pick,
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why wouldn't I entertain knowing that Shador Sanders is going
to be there? I don't know why that's not more
of a conversation, because in fact, we're looking at the
New York Giants. That's a team that needs a quarterback.
We're looking at the New Orleans Saints, but really, the
New Orleans Saints I have a quarterback, so I don't
know that that's quite a need for them a necessity
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in the draft. And then you look at the you know,
the Raiders. They brought in Geno and they just gave
him a nice deal. But it does say that that's
probably a bridge, a bridge contract for him to get
to another quarterback by for another quarterback to develop. If
I'm sitting there and I know that there's a strong
possibility that Shador Sanders could end up going six to
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the Las Vegas Raiders because they feel like he can
be the quarterback of the future for them, why would
I not seriously, and I mean seriously, kick the tires
around on taking him at number two. You don't have
to pay iman, he's gonna be on a rookie contract.
It gives you time to figure out what you're gonna
do with Deshaun Watson. While you're figuring out what you're
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gonna do or developing and creating what you're going to
create with, you know, with Shador Sanders, I feel like
that makes sense if you really look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So there was an article written on Fox Sports Ralph
Fauchiano said that the Giants are convinced that Warden Sanders
are gonna go one and two and that they're gonna
miss out on both, and that was part Again, this
could all be a load of garbage, like somebody fed
him that, you know, not to dismiss his reporting, but
somebody could have fed him that, and it could be
from the iron standpoint, but at least he feels like
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there's a real possibility, which goes back to the original
question where does the draft start?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It does like Cleveland is like there's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Options there for Cleveland if cam Ward's gone, Like you
could go quarterback, you could go who's the best player
between Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. And then the Giants
are kind of sitting there at three, you know, left
holding whatever's left over from Cleveland. So it feels like
they're you know.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It definitely starts at too, because I don't I don't
think there's a foregone conclusion as to who's going to
go at number two, and does does Cleveland If Cleveland
is going to trade for for Kirk Cousins, do they
try to get more draft value? Do they trade out
of the pick? Maybe there is a team that wants
Shador Sanders really badly and is willing to give up,
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you know, give something up of tremendous value to the
Cleveland Browns and they trade out of it and get
Kirk Cousins and still get the player that they may
want in the draft. I mean, it's possible this boy
could play out that way.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, I just if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I'll take my
chances with Kirk Cousins, and I hope that we pull
the trigger on that as opposed to trying to go
with a rookie. Because if the Browns struggle this year,
Stefanski's done.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't know. I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I think he's gone if they struggle this.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Year, I do not know that that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And I think again I'll double down on saying the
owner coming out and taking the somewhat of the blame
at least including himself in the blame of what they
did with Deshaun Watson. It totally ruined the chemistry of
that team. It took him off balance. You have this
amazing roster of players, and there was one element that
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kept coming up short and really tore this team apart
from the seams, and it was who they brought in
as quarterback. The best decision they would have made is
keeping that roster together the way it was with Baker
Mayfield as the quarterback. And I think they know that
Stefanski was winning coach of the year during that time.
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You're not you don't just go away from him because
of a decision that the organization made that derailed what
it was that he was doing culturally. So to me,
I don't think that he goes on. He would have
to have a meltdown of a season. They would have
to really really stink, really really bad with no return
in my estimation, if Stefanski were to be let go
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after this season, if it wasn't a winning year so
to speak.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I mean, I think it's pretty disrespectful that you guys
are just dismissing Deshaun Watson's ability to come back and
be the player he was in Houston for I did.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I did say he could come back this season. How
much How substantial of time will it be when he
gets back?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh will they throw him right back in when he's
ready to come back. I guess that would would have
I would imagine how is the season going for Cleveland
at that point in time. So, you know, there's a
lot of ifs there, there's a lot of factors there,
and quite frankly, the matter of who is the quarterback
this year? Is it going to be picket? Is it
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going to be a draft pick? Is it going to
be a free agent? You know, I don't think anybody
has an idea of what Cleveland is going to do
outside of us what we're discussing. Is it Kirk Cousins?
Is it a draft pick?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So, like, theoretically you think they're actually going to play him?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
After Jimmy Hassem was said what he said, it feels
like they're already planning on moving on.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I feel like they've already moved on. I feel like
they've already moved on. I agree with you, But I mean,
but if he if the man gets back in shape
and is as well enough to play, you can't trade him.
Nobody's going to trade for him. So so okay, so
then that you just release him?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Now okay, So but are you at least gonna give
him a fighting.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Once he's health Once he's healthy, are you at.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Least gonna give him a fighting chance and let him
rehab the way he wants to rehab, Because if you're
not gonna allow him that, then, you know, I think
you're just setting yourself up for failure. And it's disgusting
that you guys won't give him an opportunity. You got
to be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So if you've got so, Theoretically, Cleveland has a choice here.
They can either take should or Sanders at two, or
a quarterback at two, or they can have let's say,
abdual Carter and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Okay, I'll take my combination.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Sounds better.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I'll take my chances with best player available and
a veteran quarterback who's had success with Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But you don't necessarily need an edge. So if you're
gonna if you're going to spend it on on a
second on your second pick, if you're going to spend
it on a game changing player, and you don't necess
necessarily need an edge, which you don't. I mean, obviously
you can never have too many guys that can rush
a quarterback, but you don't necessarily you already have a
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cornerstone player. You don't necessarily need too. So now that
has to be if you're not looking at it from
the aspect of, Okay, take a quarterback with the number
two pick, then now you got to open up the
conversation to Travis Hunter because they could use help on
the back end of their defense. And if you have
a guy that's planning on going both ways in the
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pro level and they feel confident about that, now you're
you're getting one of the most dynamic players in the draft,
if not the most dynamic player in the draft, and
you bring a level of excitement that could in a
lot of ways, Travis Hunter would be the one pick
that would overshadow the gloom that has come from what
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took place with Deshaun Watson. I don't think there's another player.
I think that you get excited with Abdul Carter because
of the potential and the possibilities of what he and
Miles Garrett bring to the table. But if you want
to bring in a player that transcends, that has the
personality that is really really polarizing and hot in the
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media and people are talking a lot about them, there's
two players. One far and away is Travis Hunter. Second
one is Shador Sanders, and maybe it's because they're both
at Colorado and everything that has been around the headlines
surrounding them. But Travis Hunter, to me is I can't
miss prospect coming into the NFL. So if you're going
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to go that direction with Kirk Cousins as the quarterback,
why not think about taking Travis Hunter at too?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
What do you think makes sense to me? What would
Howie Roseman do? I think he would take Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, he's going to go up front, Howie Roseman is
if you have an elite guy up front, whether it's
offense or defense, he's going to go with the guy
up front one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
That should just be your fallback plan. Hey, we can't
make up our mind.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
What would how we do? What would you do here?
I take Abdual Carter.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
One hundred percent? They would take Abdual Carter one hundred percent.
But if there was like a guy like a Jailing
Carter available in this draft, they would take him over
the adge. I would assume, because you that is the
one position. Now you got to have a guy that
can get to the quarterback. But when you have a
guy that can anchor your defense, you can't have too
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many of them either, And they make it. They make
a tremendous difference, especially if they're versatile and you can
move them and you can actually move them to the
outside and make them a big age, you know, super
big adge. And and now you have all of these
different ways of running defenses, like people don't run regular
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four to three or three four defenses anymore. Like you're
hearing all kinds of different numbers, Like the different number
combinations are crazy. So to be able to have a
guy that's on the interior line that could act he
played a three technique, a six technique, a three technique,
and a zero technique, that's, uh, that's tremendously valuable. I
would say, and and and and real terms like that.
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That's probably just as valuable, if not more than an
edge rusher.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Okay, well, I mean listen. Uh, then then I think
we're in agreement here. Abdull Carter goes to try and
try and pull the trigger on Kirk Cousins, and then
the Giants well, and then the Giants are sitting there
with Travis Hunter or Shador Sanders. You got to pick
your Colorado poison, Like who you going with is it
gonna be Hunter Sanders at three? And I just I
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don't know that the Giants would go ahead and add
a third quarterback at that point. You know, why wouldn't
you take Travis Hunter and send him to New York?
If you if he's really the superstar everybody says he is,
send him to New York be a good spot.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
For him if he's the superstar? And I say, is
that's not It's not what I say, it's what he is.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, I'm just saying, if he's the superstar everybody says
he is, then sent.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Him to What do you mean he needs the superstar?
Because everybody's saying he's a superstar.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know who has been speaking highly as Mike Rabel.
Mike Rabel loves Travis Hunter, So I mean maybe there's
the potential they, you know, try and move.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Some people say that they're concerned about his size. I
have heard that can he is he going to be
durable enough at his size? I guess he's undersized or small.
So can that can he hold up? You know, at
the NFL level? I have heard that is an observation
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if you want to call it a criticism, you know,
can is he is his size going to be a
problem for him at the next level six one.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Size, not heightened size.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
That's that's that's Wait, how much does he weigh listed
at one here?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, so I don't know if that's you know, again,
I don't know if that's going to play a part
in it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But that's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's that's the criticism that that that that was the
one thing that jumped out is can he be durable
at the next level?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
He'll be fine? It is two pros and a cup
of Joe.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arringts Jonas knocks with
you whatever I mean, listened. If I get that one wrong,
just you know, put it on a long list of
things I've gotten wrong as seen on the Bracket Challenge.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I feel bad for him if I bet Jesus said
that he'll be fine. Yeah, it's just saying, man, you
just never know.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's it's really disrespectful. What has happened to li bet
Jesus on the show the Picks that he makes.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
A pristine reputation.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It isn't he right? I don't know what, Yeah, Jesus,
I'm gonna assume just know these days.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
It is a It was a pristine reputation that was
soiled by Lee to Lap and Brady Quinn. Steve Desager
also had a part in it on the weekends. But
to say you're left un dirt on a on course,
he did live bet loser.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Of course he did the La Homer Steve de Sager.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
All right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
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Speaker 5 (20:58):
There was another deal that was done in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We're going to get into uh Is it just simply
one small transaction or could it be a peak into
the future for one team in the National Football League.
We'll get into that for you here on FSR. By
the way, the Colorado Pro Day is coming up later
on today, so maybe we'll get some some snow, some
elements a little frigid out there, So snow bunny, No,
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like snow you know from the you know, from the
sky sky like the weathers Yeah. I said no, no, no,
Colorado Pro Day, not Miami. Come on, man, you guys
get it together, all right. So we now transition over
to somebody who's got a radical idea, all right. So
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that's somebody is Grambling State head coach Mickey Joseph, who said,
you know what about like a transfer buyout plan.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
We understand, we understand. I think the kids understand. If
they hear, and if they sophomores, then they have a
big a big, a big year and a group of
five or power five approach them and they have the
finances to pull them out of there, and I can't
match the finances, then you know what they're gonna go.
That's that's part of the coach has been doing it
for years, so we shouldn't get mad as coaches when
these kids make decisions to take care of their family, because,
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like I said, I'm gonna say it again, coach has
been doing it for years. But I also think they
need to be a buyout if they move up, if
they move up from me and go to Group of
five and power five, I should get kind of a
compensation for that, you know, So NCA you listening to me,
I need a buy out?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Okay, this is a revolutionary and it's not. It's been
brought up multiple times, so this is anything new. But
you're probably gonna ask, don't you have a he to
have a contract to get a buy out?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You go, don't you have to be giving them something
for them to get bought out, like match more value
and or compensate the value of which we've brought to
the table already, right, Like that's a buyout?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yeah, well sort of right, like a buyout.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And in this in what you're talking about, it's really
what's more like a transfer fee. It's just money is
that you know you would be paying in order to
get the services of that individual. That's really what that's about.
So in this case, though it's been talked about, it's
going to be part of it. What is gonna be
tough is if there's no collective bargaining agreement, there's not
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going to be a standardized transfer fee or buy out.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It could be all over the place.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So that's one of the I think one of the
concerns is, you know, how are they going to differ
from school to school, from you know, different level of
football to another level.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But this is not a new idea.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It's it's been around now for honestly a couple of years,
probably as people have talked about talent acquisition fees or
or buyouts within it, however you want to describe it.
But yeah, it's an interesting concept, but it's also going
to happen. It's already in some cases there's you know,
people who are signing contracts where there's the potential for
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language for that to be amended and put into it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I feel like that'd be the only way that it
could work, because how do you even justify their even
needing to be a buy out? What if the kid
just wanted to transfer, Like how do you differentiate? Like
what do they have to sit out if they transferred?
Like and it wasn't the school that was recruiting the kid.
It's the kid saying I want to go play out
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a bigger school, Like, how do you determine what it is?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Like? Did the school come get them? Did the kid
choose to leave? Like?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
How how do you monitor that? Without a contract, you
would have to have a contract. You would have to
have language that says you're coming here to play, should
you decide to lead and which By the way, if
that does happen, then now you've got to have the
conversation of when.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That takes place.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
A kid has to renew their their contractual agreement scholarship
wise yearly with the school. Correct, I believe you have to.
So if you got to renew yearly, are you now
guaranteeing the four years? If you guarantee me the four years,
now that makes sense. Okay, If I'm signing a scholarship,
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I'm coming here, You're gonna guarantee me four to five
years to get my degree and play ball here, and
now I want to leave in year two, then sure
that would that would say I have a contract with
you where I guaranteed you an education and being at
this school for four years, you got three left.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Compensate me for the three have a good day. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But if there's nothing there and you have to do
this year by year, they can get They could say
we don't want you. Could be a new coach that
comes in and say we don't want these guys. We're
not renewing your contract. You gotta go elsewhere, good luck
and goodbye. If that's the case, you have no grounds
to sit there and say I need to get a
buyout or or one of those types of compensation for
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taking my athlete.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
So, I mean, what's really fascinating about it is you
could see players sign one to you know, three four
year deals with schools.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So if you have a one.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Year deal, I mean, you probably don't need a buy
out because you're only going to be a you know,
there for a year before your contract would come up.
But again, going back to the initial point, when you
don't have a union, when you don't have a collective
bargaining agreement, there's not really a standardized way of handling
these negotiations, which means everything from player uh talent evaluation
and what they'll be compensated for that, to buyouts or
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talent acquisition fees, transfer fees, whatever you want to call them.
All those things are going to be wildly different from
one another, and I think that's the difficulty of trying
to figure out how this is what this is going
to look like. Again, we you know, we sat with
you know, Tim Brown. He talked about like college football,
he's a reset and he's right, it does. And it
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feels like we're like slowly getting towards this world of professionalism.
But then like where do you include academics as part
of that? And I think that's where we have to
be careful.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Look, in some ways we ask young people at the
age of eighteen to do some really really serious hard stuff.
You can you can go from the military a eighteen,
go defend this country, fight for this country, and potentially
sacrifice your life and people. You know, young people make
that decision at eighteen too. So I'm not saying that
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young people aren't capable of making you know, life altering
decisions at that age, but there's a period of growth
and development that they go through during that period of time.
And just hadn't experienced myself. I don't know that you know,
I was mature enough, smart enough.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Or wise enough.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
How are you going to put it to be able
to handle a lot of what's being thrown on these
young people, and there needs to be like I would
make the case and in the NFL, even though you
know you need a union and it's more beneficial, it's
beneficial to a lot of guys. It's most necessary at
the college level if this thing keeps moving towards a
professional model, because they're the youngest, most immature with all this,
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so they need a lot of those resources more than
anyone else. And there just doesn't seem to be one
cohesive group of people who are concerned about that and
are willing to be able to put this all together.
And even as the house in stay settlement is, you know,
coming into fruition, the problem is is there's no protection
against the anti trust lawsuits that are going to be
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coming or once it's settled. So it feels like a
mess right now because it kind of is.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I feel good about I feel good about smaller schools
having the opportunity to benefit from the bigger schools taking
their players. But they got to make the commitment, right,
they got to have some skin in the game. You
can't get something for nothing, like I'm sorry, So if
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you do in fact, create longer term scholarships for these
kids who obviously the schools for one reason or another,
didn't come for that particular prospect right out of high
school whatever it may be. You know, went to the JUCO,
didn't see them, didn't it. Maybe they developed the kid
(29:24):
more and now you notice them and you want him
on your team. I have no problem with them being
compensated for investing the time into the development of these
young athletes student athletes. The problem I have is once
it becomes so business driven and it does get away
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from the welfare and the wellbeing of these student athletes,
because that should always be present, is the student part
of it, I agree, and not just purely business. Then
when you look at it from the the standpoint of
the investment and the commitment, like we've already invested this
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much into the kid, but we've also committed this much
to the kid. If you made the commitment to the kid,
then I don't have a problem with a smaller school
getting compensated, because in some type of way, in form
or manner, you know, these smaller schools now become almost
like a JUCO. You know, they become a school where
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it's like, if we can produce talent and develop talent.
We can make money off of their success because these
bigger schools will have to pay us for the development.
I would turn strictly into a developmental school. I go
after all the kids that need to get their grades together.
I go after all the kids that didn't, you know,
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quite make the cut out of high school.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I would reach straight development.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Chance, last chance you Yeah, well it's not least chance.
Huge playmakers, that's what you're saying. Yes, the game break
is the game breakers. My shoe says Adidas.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That says Adidas.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And let's figure out how you're structured to be able
to say I can spell see that says Adidas. I
want that kid, and we're going to figure out how
to give him the best the best resources, because for
what it's worth. If I don't know if y'all know
about this, but if you peel back the onion and
the layers on that, a lot of these cats ain't
(31:31):
the most the sharpest knife, and and you know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
This category we ain't play play school, you know, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm just saying some people may dance around the idea
that some of these guys that are at major colleges
aren't the most academically astute dudes that you're going to
be around.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Buddy, there's some guys who don't even go into a
classroom exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
They're like, I'm just trying to keep it light. I'm
just trying to keep it light, trying to me.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I don't believe I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
All I say is and Sherry and Carrie and Anne
and Kathy and and you know they they have double
double workloads. Hey, they should They should have graduated with
two degrees, double degrees, triple degrees with the amount of
work that.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They be doing. That's that's all I will say. But
all I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Get these kids at these lower levels, at HBCUs, at
mid majors, you know, nonpower for schools, and develop them
and make money.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I know it sounds.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Crazy because that really should be called exploitation, but you're
going to get You're going to get taken. They're going
to take your kids anyway, they're going to take them.
So if they're going to take them, it's so crazy.
When I watched us play this.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Year, is that block A?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Jonas, I was on I was on the field and
I was like, why are so many of our our
our scouts on the other side of the field And
I'm watching it looking at him, I'm like, what are
y'all doing? We're scouting, they're collecting. Yeah, they're collecting information.
They're collecting data on the opposing team.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
They're shooting at the club.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
What they're Doingang, we'll take him him.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I remember who were we playing and they were doing?
Really who was the what was the team that was it?
Bowling Green? That had the quarterback that they brought in
that was an SEC quarterback and then they brought him in?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was that? Is that Bowling Green? Was that this year?
I believe that was? Is that who it was?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And he had a really good game against us, Like
we were like he had us on the ropes for
a minute, like we.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Couldn't stop him.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
We're looking at him and we're looking at this team.
It's like, there's no way this team should be able
to be playing with us. And this quarterback was getting
it in on us in and they had a tight
end and a receiver that was getting it in like
all the way in in you out of there, you
wrote your ticket?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don't know, but I'm just telling you. I can
guarantee you if you look up, I don't remember he's
like number nine or number one for Bowling Green. I
would be surprised if he's not graduating, if he had
time left, if somebody didn't come get him, and he
went into the transfer portal because he ate us up.
He tore our slant and our seams.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He tore us up. But now that's what exists.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You're not going I'm not going to Bowling Green or
you know, some of these other schools to win a
national title. I'm going there to get my man. I'm
going to get my man. I'm on a bag run.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Let me in bold fannin junior and uh, he's a
six foot four, two hundred and thirty pounds tight end
out of.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
He was bawling put on a Hall of Fame performance
versus you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I think I'm pretty certain it was like, what was
he number nine, number nine or number zero? Number zero
was they didn't have a number one. Number one was
a wide receiver who also did played well in the game.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Number zero was dogging us. Yeah, he's a junior.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
So to your point, I don't know if he's I'm
trying to look up see if he's in the portal
or not.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
If they didn't, if they missed him, if somebody, I
don't know what the reason would be. But if i'm scouting,
if I'm like, Okay, I need a guy for one
year and at that position, go get number zero.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
God he had one hundred and seventeen catches last year.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yez, he declared for the draft. There you go, there
you go. Otherwise he would have been in the portal.
I'm just telling y'all. Do was an animal. He was
He was an animal in the game. And the quarterback
was doing his thing as well. So this is like,
so this is where we live now. It's like, Okay,
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that tight if that tight end can do that to
our defense, then that means he can do it to
ninety of the other defenses in the country. Go getting Yeah,
that's where we live now. That's that's the place we live.
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like if you know who's going to be, if it's
a foregone conclusion, Hey, you know who's going number one
in the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
You know who's going number two in the draft.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
You know, like it says, when does the draft start
for you guys, when does the draft start?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Cam Ward's going one, number two?
Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, okay, So it still is open to the potential,
even though the feeling is, well, it's going to be
Abdual Carter too, is it well? I mean, if you
believe DraftKings, if you believe the betting odds, it's been
heavily favoring Abdul It's early, though.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
I know it's early, and those have been wrong this early.
And I'm not saying that Abdual Carter doesn't deserve to
be that, you know, taking that slot and that wouldn't
make a lot of sense, But we don't know. The
reality is, we don't know what Cleveland's going to do.
Their cap situation is a mess. It sounds like from
all reports that they would like to trade for Cousins,
but again, taking on his cap hit ain't gonna happen,
(01:53):
and they've got and Atlanta's got to figure out a
way of dealing with I don't want to call it
a mistake with what they did last year, but I'm
not sure in the front office how you justify that
to your owner, Arthur Blank.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, when you.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Signed Kirk Cousins to in essence really a two year
deal because those two years of fully you know, guaranteed
in that full guarantees in that contract. You thought you
were committing to him for that, and then once you
drove Penix in the top ten, it's like, well, this
never works.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
You know, usually if you.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Take a guy in the top ten like that, you're
gonna play him. At least that's what history has told us,
and that's how it ended up playing out. So now
they find themselves with a quarterback who's that really expensive
backup or it called it an insurance policy if Penix gets hurt,
but they can't even move on from him because the
way they structured and the cap hit a team like
(02:45):
the Browns would take. So we keep going back to
and then this isn't like against Rahiem Morris, but all
parties involved in Atlanta who persuaded Arthur Blank away from
Bill Belichick. I don't think Bill Belichick would have made
the moves that Atlanta made last offseason, and they probably
would be in a much different position right now.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Look, you could say they, oh, they might be worse.
Why I don't, I don't you know, I don't I
don't know, probably not. It's not like you go back
and look at last year Atlanta and go, oh yeah,
that's you know, really can't It's just it wasn't like
they built really much of a foundation off anything. We
head in this off season, like you still have questions
about them, like does anyone have a good feel for
what Atlanta's going to be this year?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
No, I would assume better rather than worse, though, I'd
assume that they're most likely going to contend for the
sow Division.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But why are.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
They going to be better than the Saints if Derek
Carr is there unhealthy and Kelvin Morris, who's got more
offensive prowess?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yes, like Tampa who who won it last year? I
do not know. I mean, Carolina is the.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
Only team I think it's it's fair to say they
would be better then it's Carolina.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
And outside of that.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
They started to improve a little bit. They showed some
signs of improvement toward this season.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
But I bet if we looked at the odds right
now for that division, Carolina be last, Tampa's probably first,
and you probably have a close tie or whatever between
Atlanta and you know, looking at the rest of it,
like I just I look at it and go, they've
put themselves in this position now, and it leads me
(04:25):
to think, like the Browns probably would rather have k
Kirk Cousins at this point. I think, based on how
things went, he's a fit for Stefanski. There's a past there.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
But did you see the Arthur blank comments about Kirk Cousins.
So he was talking this week and The Athletic reported
on it. He said, quote, one of the things you
learn as you live life is there's no point in
living in the past. Obviously, at the time we made
a commitment to Kirk and Kirk did to us, circumstances
were extraordinarily different than they are today. Not his fault,
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not our fault. Sometimes life doesn't develop the way you
wanted to develop. Then he went on to say, quote,
we've already paid him. I've never been a risk averse
type of person. I think the plan to sign Cousins
and draft Panics was an excellent plan from our standpoint
and from Kirk's standpoint. He made a wise financial investment.
So he's basically just saying, listen, tough balls man, you
(05:17):
made a bunch of money, all right, So things could
be worse and they're just gonna hold on to him
until they get a deal that they think makes sense
to them.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
So I don't know if it's twitching hostage.
Speaker 6 (05:28):
All that is is draft conversation. Yeah, I mean, here's
what's going to happen. It's gonna be the Falcons paying
for a substantial portion of Cousins contract.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Or whatever was left on it.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
However, they work that out and the Brown's giving up
a high draft pick for him. So it's gonna look
like on paper like, oh, the Brown's give up a
second round pick or you know whatever it is a
third and a sixth for Kirk Cousins, But really they're
buying those draft picks. I mean, yes, Kirk Cousins comes
along with that. He would start play well in that
system for them. But there's that's also the other portion
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to all this, and that's like what the NFL hates,
like letting it, you know, become public, because they don't
want it to be perceived that teams are able to
buy draft picks, like there's not a price stag on him,
even though we've seen examples of that in the past.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
You know, I wonder because the quarterbacks conversation is such
a large one for Cleveland. Why hasn't there been more
talk about possibly taking Shador at two?
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Why not? I mean, if you think.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
About it, you're strapped with Deshaun Watson. He may return
this season, who knows at what point in time he
does return, and if he does, you do you even
want to play him? Like I mean, now hearing the
owner say that that was a miss, you know with
Deshaun Watson, it almost is again, I feel like they
(06:51):
freed Stefanski and this team from the bondage of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And so now if you're moving on, I.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Could look at Kirk Cousins, But how much of how
much of a solution is Kirk Cousins for us long term?
That would be my biggest concern right now because of
I guess the way it kind of ended for him
in Atlanta. So if I had the number two overall pick,
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why wouldn't I entertain knowing that Shador Sanders is going
to be there? I don't know why that's not more
of a conversation, because in fact, we're looking at the
New York Giants. That's a team that needs a quarterback.
We're looking at the New Orleans Saints, but really, the
New Orleans Saints I have a quarterback, so I don't
know that that's quite a need for them a necessity
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in the draft. And then you look at the you know,
the Raiders. They brought in Geno and they just gave
him a nice deal. But it does say that that's
probably a bridge, a bridge contract for him to get
to another quarterback by for another quarterback to develop. If
I'm sitting there and I know that there's a strong
possibility that Shador Sanders could end up going six to
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the Las Vegas Raiders because they feel like he can
be the quarterback of the future for them, why would
I not seriously, and I mean seriously, kick the tires
around on taking him at number two. You don't have
to pay iman, he's gonna be on a rookie contract.
It gives you time to figure out what you're gonna
do with Deshaun Watson. While you're figuring out what you're
(08:28):
gonna do or developing and creating what you're going to
create with, you know, with Shador Sanders, I feel like
that makes sense if you really look at it.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
So there was an article written on Fox Sports Ralph
Fauchiano said that the Giants are convinced that Warden Sanders
are gonna go one and two and that they're gonna
miss out on both, and that was part Again, this
could all be a load of garbage, like somebody fed
him that, you know, not to dismiss his reporting, but
somebody could have fed him that, and it could be
from the iron standpoint, but at least he feels like
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there's a real possibility, which goes back to the original
question where does the draft start?
Speaker 5 (09:08):
It does like Cleveland is like there's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Options there for Cleveland if cam Ward's gone, Like you
could go quarterback, you could go who's the best player
between Abdull Carter and Travis Hunter. And then the Giants
are kind of sitting there at three, you know, left
holding whatever's left over from Cleveland. So it feels like
they're you know.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
It definitely starts at too, because I don't I don't
think there's a foregone conclusion as to who's going to
go at number two, and does does Cleveland If Cleveland
is going to trade for for Kirk Cousins, do they
try to get more draft value? Do they trade out
of the pick? Maybe there is a team that wants
Shador Sanders really badly and is willing to give up,
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you know, give something up of tremendous value to the
Cleveland Browns and they trade out of it and get
Kirk Cousins and still get the player that they may
want in the draft. I mean, it's possible this boy
could play out that way.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, I just if I'm Kevin Stefanski, I'll take my
chances with Kirk Cousins, and I hope that we pull
the trigger on that as opposed to trying to go
with a rookie. Because if the Browns struggle this year,
Stefanski's done.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't know. I don't know that that's true.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I think he's gone if they struggle this.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Year, I do not know that that's true.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
And I think again I'll double down on saying the
owner coming out and taking the somewhat of the blame
at least including himself in the blame of what they
did with Deshaun Watson. It totally ruined the chemistry of
that team. It took him off balance. You have this
amazing roster of players, and there was one element that
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kept coming up short and really tore this team apart
from the seams, and it was who they brought in
as quarterback. The best decision they would have made is
keeping that roster together the way it was with Baker
Mayfield as the quarterback. And I think they know that
Stefanski was winning coach of the year during that time.
(11:11):
You're not you don't just go away from him because
of a decision that the organization made that derailed what
it was that he was doing culturally. So to me,
I don't think that he goes on. He would have
to have a meltdown of a season. They would have
to really really stink, really really bad with no return
in my estimation, if Stefanski were to be let go
(11:35):
after this season, if it wasn't a winning year so
to speak.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I mean, I think it's pretty disrespectful that you guys
are just dismissing Deshaun Watson's ability to come back and
be the player he was in Houston for I did.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I did say he could come back this season. How
much How substantial of time will it be when he
gets back?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Oh will they throw him right back in when he's
ready to come back. I guess that would would have
I would imagine how is the season going for Cleveland
at that point in time. So, you know, there's a
lot of ifs there, there's a lot of factors there,
and quite frankly, the matter of who is the quarterback
this year? Is it going to be picket? Is it
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going to be a draft pick? Is it going to
be a free agent? You know, I don't think anybody
has an idea of what Cleveland is going to do
outside of us what we're discussing. Is it Kirk Cousins?
Is it a draft pick?
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So, like, theoretically you think they're actually going to play him?
Speaker 6 (12:39):
After Jimmy Hassem was said what he said, it feels
like they're already planning on moving on.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I feel like they've already moved on. I feel like
they've already moved on. I agree with you, But I mean,
but if he if the man gets back in shape
and is as well enough to play, you can't trade him.
Nobody's going to trade for him. So so okay, so
then that you just release him?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Now okay, So but are you at least gonna give
him a fighting.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Once he's health Once he's healthy, are you at.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Least gonna give him a fighting chance and let him
rehab the way he wants to rehab, Because if you're
not gonna allow him that, then, you know, I think
you're just setting yourself up for failure. And it's disgusting
that you guys won't give him an opportunity. You got
to be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You you guys.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
So if you've got so, Theoretically, Cleveland has a choice here.
They can either take should or Sanders at two, or
a quarterback at two, or they can have let's say,
abdual Carter and Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
Okay, I'll take my combination.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Sounds better.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yeah, I'll take my chances with best player available and
a veteran quarterback who's had success with Kevin Stefanski.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
But you don't necessarily need an edge. So if you're
gonna if you're going to spend it on on a
second on your second pick, if you're going to spend
it on a game changing player, and you don't necess
necessarily need an edge, which you don't. I mean, obviously
you can never have too many guys that can rush
a quarterback, but you don't necessarily you already have a
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cornerstone player. You don't necessarily need too. So now that
has to be if you're not looking at it from
the aspect of, Okay, take a quarterback with the number
two pick, then now you got to open up the
conversation to Travis Hunter because they could use help on
the back end of their defense. And if you have
a guy that's planning on going both ways in the
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pro level and they feel confident about that, now you're
you're getting one of the most dynamic players in the draft,
if not the most dynamic player in the draft, and
you bring a level of excitement that could in a
lot of ways, Travis Hunter would be the one pick
that would overshadow the gloom that has come from what
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took place with Deshaun Watson. I don't think there's another player.
I think that you get excited with Abdul Carter because
of the potential and the possibilities of what he and
Miles Garrett bring to the table. But if you want
to bring in a player that transcends, that has the
personality that is really really polarizing and hot in the
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media and people are talking a lot about them, there's
two players. One far and away is Travis Hunter. Second
one is Shador Sanders, and maybe it's because they're both
at Colorado and everything that has been around the headlines
surrounding them. But Travis Hunter, to me is I can't
miss prospect coming into the NFL. So if you're going
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to go that direction with Kirk Cousins as the quarterback,
why not think about taking Travis Hunter at too?
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
What do you think makes sense to me? What would
Howie Roseman do? I think he would take Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, he's going to go up front, Howie Roseman is
if you have an elite guy up front, whether it's
offense or defense, he's going to go with the guy
up front one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
That should just be your fallback plan. Hey, we can't
make up our mind.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
What would how we do? What would you do here?
I take Abdual Carter.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
One hundred percent? They would take Abdual Carter one hundred percent.
But if there was like a guy like a Jailing
Carter available in this draft, they would take him over
the adge. I would assume, because you that is the
one position. Now you got to have a guy that
can get to the quarterback. But when you have a
guy that can anchor your defense, you can't have too
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many of them either, And they make it. They make
a tremendous difference, especially if they're versatile and you can
move them and you can actually move them to the
outside and make them a big age, you know, super
big adge. And and now you have all of these
different ways of running defenses, like people don't run regular
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four to three or three four defenses anymore. Like you're
hearing all kinds of different numbers, Like the different number
combinations are crazy. So to be able to have a
guy that's on the interior line that could act he
played a three technique, a six technique, a three technique,
and a zero technique, that's, uh, that's tremendously valuable. I
would say, and and and and real terms like that.
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That's probably just as valuable, if not more than an
edge rusher.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
Okay, well, I mean listen. Uh, then then I think
we're in agreement here. Abdull Carter goes to try and
try and pull the trigger on Kirk Cousins, and then
the Giants well, and then the Giants are sitting there
with Travis Hunter or Shador Sanders. You got to pick
your Colorado poison, Like who you going with is it
gonna be Hunter Sanders at three? And I just I
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don't know that the Giants would go ahead and add
a third quarterback at that point. You know, why wouldn't
you take Travis Hunter and send him to New York?
If you if he's really the superstar everybody says he is,
send him to New York be a good spot.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
For him if he's the superstar? And I say, is
that's not It's not what I say, it's what he is.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
No, I'm just saying, if he's the superstar everybody says
he is, then sent.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Him to What do you mean he needs the superstar?
Because everybody's saying he's a superstar.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
You know who has been speaking highly as Mike Rabel.
Mike Rabel loves Travis Hunter, So I mean maybe there's
the potential they, you know, try and move.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Some people say that they're concerned about his size. I
have heard that can he is he going to be
durable enough at his size? I guess he's undersized or small.
So can that can he hold up? You know, at
the NFL level? I have heard that is an observation
(18:45):
if you want to call it a criticism, you know,
can is he is his size going to be a
problem for him at the next level six one.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Size, not heightened size.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
That's that's that's Wait, how much does he weigh listed
at one here?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah, so I don't know if that's you know, again,
I don't know if that's going to play a part
in it.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
But that's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
That's that's the criticism that that that that was the
one thing that jumped out is can he be durable
at the next level?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
He'll be fine? It is two pros and a cup
of Joe.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arringts Jonas knocks with
you whatever I mean, listened. If I get that one wrong,
just you know, put it on a long list of
things I've gotten wrong as seen on the Bracket Challenge.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I feel bad for him if I bet Jesus said
that he'll be fine. Yeah, it's just saying, man, you
just never know.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
It's it's really disrespectful. What has happened to li bet
Jesus on the show the Picks that he makes.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
A pristine reputation.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
It isn't he right? I don't know what, Yeah, Jesus,
I'm gonna assume just know these days.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
It is a It was a pristine reputation that was
soiled by Lee to Lap and Brady Quinn. Steve Desager
also had a part in it on the weekends. But
to say you're left un dirt on a on course,
he did live bet loser.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
Of course he did the La Homer Steve de Sager.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
All right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Coming up next here though, from the tire rack dot
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to fix what some see as a major issue in
the world of sports. We'll get into that for you
right here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
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Speaker 5 (20:58):
There was another deal that was done in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
We're going to get into uh Is it just simply
one small transaction or could it be a peak into
the future for one team in the National Football League.
We'll get into that for you here on FSR. By
the way, the Colorado Pro Day is coming up later
on today, so maybe we'll get some some snow, some
elements a little frigid out there, So snow bunny, No,
(21:24):
like snow you know from the you know, from the
sky sky like the weathers Yeah. I said no, no, no,
Colorado Pro Day, not Miami. Come on, man, you guys
get it together, all right. So we now transition over
to somebody who's got a radical idea, all right. So
(21:44):
that's somebody is Grambling State head coach Mickey Joseph, who said,
you know what about like a transfer buyout plan.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
We understand, we understand. I think the kids understand. If
they hear, and if they sophomores, then they have a
big a big, a big year and a group of
five or power five approach them and they have the
finances to pull them out of there, and I can't
match the finances, then you know what they're gonna go.
That's that's part of the coach has been doing it
for years, so we shouldn't get mad as coaches when
these kids make decisions to take care of their family, because,
(22:18):
like I said, I'm gonna say it again, coach has
been doing it for years. But I also think they
need to be a buyout if they move up, if
they move up from me and go to Group of
five and power five, I should get kind of a
compensation for that, you know, So NCA you listening to me,
I need a buy out?
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Okay, this is a revolutionary and it's not. It's been
brought up multiple times, so this is anything new. But
you're probably gonna ask, don't you have a he to
have a contract to get a buy out?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There?
Speaker 1 (22:45):
You go, don't you have to be giving them something
for them to get bought out, like match more value
and or compensate the value of which we've brought to
the table already, right, Like that's a buyout?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yeah, well sort of right, like a buyout.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
And in this in what you're talking about, it's really
what's more like a transfer fee. It's just money is
that you know you would be paying in order to
get the services of that individual. That's really what that's about.
So in this case, though it's been talked about, it's
going to be part of it. What is gonna be
tough is if there's no collective bargaining agreement, there's not
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going to be a standardized transfer fee or buy out.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
It could be all over the place.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
So that's one of the I think one of the
concerns is, you know, how are they going to differ
from school to school, from you know, different level of
football to another level.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But this is not a new idea.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
It's it's been around now for honestly a couple of years,
probably as people have talked about talent acquisition fees or
or buyouts within it, however you want to describe it.
But yeah, it's an interesting concept, but it's also going
to happen. It's already in some cases there's you know,
people who are signing contracts where there's the potential for
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language for that to be amended and put into it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
I feel like that'd be the only way that it
could work, because how do you even justify their even
needing to be a buy out? What if the kid
just wanted to transfer, Like how do you differentiate? Like
what do they have to sit out if they transferred?
Like and it wasn't the school that was recruiting the kid.
It's the kid saying I want to go play out
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a bigger school, Like, how do you determine what it is?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Like? Did the school come get them? Did the kid
choose to leave? Like?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
How how do you monitor that? Without a contract, you
would have to have a contract. You would have to
have language that says you're coming here to play, should
you decide to lead and which By the way, if
that does happen, then now you've got to have the
conversation of when.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
That takes place.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
A kid has to renew their their contractual agreement scholarship
wise yearly with the school. Correct, I believe you have to.
So if you got to renew yearly, are you now
guaranteeing the four years? If you guarantee me the four years,
now that makes sense. Okay, If I'm signing a scholarship,
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I'm coming here, You're gonna guarantee me four to five
years to get my degree and play ball here, and
now I want to leave in year two, then sure
that would that would say I have a contract with
you where I guaranteed you an education and being at
this school for four years, you got three left.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Compensate me for the three have a good day. I
get that.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
But if there's nothing there and you have to do
this year by year, they can get They could say
we don't want you. Could be a new coach that
comes in and say we don't want these guys. We're
not renewing your contract. You gotta go elsewhere, good luck
and goodbye. If that's the case, you have no grounds
to sit there and say I need to get a
buyout or or one of those types of compensation for
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taking my athlete.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Right.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
So, I mean, what's really fascinating about it is you
could see players sign one to you know, three four
year deals with schools.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So if you have a one.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Year deal, I mean, you probably don't need a buy
out because you're only going to be a you know,
there for a year before your contract would come up.
But again, going back to the initial point, when you
don't have a union, when you don't have a collective
bargaining agreement, there's not really a standardized way of handling
these negotiations, which means everything from player uh talent evaluation
and what they'll be compensated for that, to buyouts or
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talent acquisition fees, transfer fees, whatever you want to call them.
All those things are going to be wildly different from
one another, and I think that's the difficulty of trying
to figure out how this is what this is going
to look like. Again, we you know, we sat with
you know, Tim Brown. He talked about like college football,
he's a reset and he's right, it does. And it
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feels like we're like slowly getting towards this world of professionalism.
But then like where do you include academics as part
of that? And I think that's where we have to
be careful.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Now.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Look, in some ways we ask young people at the
age of eighteen to do some really really serious hard stuff.
You can you can go from the military a eighteen,
go defend this country, fight for this country, and potentially
sacrifice your life and people. You know, young people make
that decision at eighteen too. So I'm not saying that
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young people aren't capable of making you know, life altering
decisions at that age, but there's a period of growth
and development that they go through during that period of time.
And just hadn't experienced myself. I don't know that you know,
I was mature enough, smart enough.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Or wise enough.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
How are you going to put it to be able
to handle a lot of what's being thrown on these
young people, and there needs to be like I would
make the case and in the NFL, even though you
know you need a union and it's more beneficial, it's
beneficial to a lot of guys. It's most necessary at
the college level if this thing keeps moving towards a
professional model, because they're the youngest, most immature with all this,
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so they need a lot of those resources more than
anyone else. And there just doesn't seem to be one
cohesive group of people who are concerned about that and
are willing to be able to put this all together.
And even as the house in stay settlement is, you know,
coming into fruition, the problem is is there's no protection
against the anti trust lawsuits that are going to be
(28:33):
coming or once it's settled. So it feels like a
mess right now because it kind of is.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I feel good about I feel good about smaller schools
having the opportunity to benefit from the bigger schools taking
their players. But they got to make the commitment, right,
they got to have some skin in the game. You
can't get something for nothing, like I'm sorry, So if
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you do in fact, create longer term scholarships for these
kids who obviously the schools for one reason or another,
didn't come for that particular prospect right out of high
school whatever it may be. You know, went to the JUCO,
didn't see them, didn't it. Maybe they developed the kid
(29:24):
more and now you notice them and you want him
on your team. I have no problem with them being
compensated for investing the time into the development of these
young athletes student athletes. The problem I have is once
it becomes so business driven and it does get away
(29:45):
from the welfare and the wellbeing of these student athletes,
because that should always be present, is the student part
of it, I agree, and not just purely business. Then
when you look at it from the the standpoint of
the investment and the commitment, like we've already invested this
(30:07):
much into the kid, but we've also committed this much
to the kid. If you made the commitment to the kid,
then I don't have a problem with a smaller school
getting compensated, because in some type of way, in form
or manner, you know, these smaller schools now become almost
like a JUCO. You know, they become a school where
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it's like, if we can produce talent and develop talent.
We can make money off of their success because these
bigger schools will have to pay us for the development.
I would turn strictly into a developmental school. I go
after all the kids that need to get their grades together.
I go after all the kids that didn't, you know,
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quite make the cut out of high school.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
I would reach straight development.
Speaker 8 (30:54):
Chance, last chance you Yeah, well it's not least chance.
Huge playmakers, that's what you're saying. Yes, the game break
is the game breakers. My shoe says Adidas.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That says Adidas.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And let's figure out how you're structured to be able
to say I can spell see that says Adidas. I
want that kid, and we're going to figure out how
to give him the best the best resources, because for
what it's worth. If I don't know if y'all know
about this, but if you peel back the onion and
the layers on that, a lot of these cats ain't
(31:31):
the most the sharpest knife, and and you know, and.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
This category we ain't play play school, you know, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm just saying some people may dance around the idea
that some of these guys that are at major colleges
aren't the most academically astute dudes that you're going to
be around.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
Buddy, there's some guys who don't even go into a
classroom exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
They're like, I'm just trying to keep it light. I'm
just trying to keep it light, trying to me.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
I don't believe I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I don't believe it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
All I say is and Sherry and Carrie and Anne
and Kathy and and you know they they have double
double workloads. Hey, they should They should have graduated with
two degrees, double degrees, triple degrees with the amount of
work that.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
They be doing. That's that's all I will say. But
all I'm saying is.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Get these kids at these lower levels, at HBCUs, at
mid majors, you know, nonpower for schools, and develop them
and make money.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I know it sounds.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Crazy because that really should be called exploitation, but you're
going to get You're going to get taken. They're going
to take your kids anyway, they're going to take them.
So if they're going to take them, it's so crazy.
When I watched us play this.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Year, is that block A?
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Is that what it is?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Jonas, I was on I was on the field and
I was like, why are so many of our our
our scouts on the other side of the field And
I'm watching it looking at him, I'm like, what are
y'all doing? We're scouting, they're collecting. Yeah, they're collecting information.
They're collecting data on the opposing team.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
They're shooting at the club.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
What they're Doingang, we'll take him him.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I remember who were we playing and they were doing?
Really who was the what was the team that was it?
Bowling Green? That had the quarterback that they brought in
that was an SEC quarterback and then they brought him in?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Was that? Is that Bowling Green? Was that this year?
I believe that was? Is that who it was?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
And he had a really good game against us, Like
we were like he had us on the ropes for
a minute, like we.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Couldn't stop him.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
We're looking at him and we're looking at this team.
It's like, there's no way this team should be able
to be playing with us. And this quarterback was getting
it in on us in and they had a tight
end and a receiver that was getting it in like
all the way in in you out of there, you
wrote your ticket?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Yeah, what happened to him.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don't know, but I'm just telling you. I can
guarantee you if you look up, I don't remember he's
like number nine or number one for Bowling Green. I
would be surprised if he's not graduating, if he had
time left, if somebody didn't come get him, and he
went into the transfer portal because he ate us up.
He tore our slant and our seams.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
He tore us up. But now that's what exists.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You're not going I'm not going to Bowling Green or
you know, some of these other schools to win a
national title. I'm going there to get my man. I'm
going to get my man. I'm on a bag run.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Let me in bold fannin junior and uh, he's a
six foot four, two hundred and thirty pounds tight end
out of.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Canton, Ohio.
Speaker 6 (35:08):
He was bawling put on a Hall of Fame performance
versus you guys.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I think I'm pretty certain it was like, what was
he number nine, number nine or number zero? Number zero
was they didn't have a number one. Number one was
a wide receiver who also did played well in the game.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Number zero was dogging us. Yeah, he's a junior.
Speaker 6 (35:31):
So to your point, I don't know if he's I'm
trying to look up see if he's in the portal
or not.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
If they didn't, if they missed him, if somebody, I
don't know what the reason would be. But if i'm scouting,
if I'm like, Okay, I need a guy for one
year and at that position, go get number zero.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
God he had one hundred and seventeen catches last year.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Yez, he declared for the draft. There you go, there
you go. Otherwise he would have been in the portal.
I'm just telling y'all. Do was an animal. He was
He was an animal in the game. And the quarterback
was doing his thing as well. So this is like,
so this is where we live now. It's like, Okay,
(36:10):
that tight if that tight end can do that to
our defense, then that means he can do it to
ninety of the other defenses in the country. Go getting Yeah,
that's where we live now. That's that's the place we live.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
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We've got a we've got a deal that was made
in the NFL. What does it mean long term. We'll
discuss right here on FSR.
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Sports Radio videos on YouTube. The Dallas Cowboys have a
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acquired from the New England Patriots. They get him in
a seventh round pick in exchange for a fifth rounder.
(37:39):
So Joe Milton the brand new backup quarterback in Dallas
because Levar's guy, Cooper Rush is gone.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
He's with the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Trey Lance, I think is in the CFL now or
something like that. So Joe Milton gonna bring that hallitzer
on his shoulder to Dallas to back up Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6 (37:58):
They say everything's bigger in Texas.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Well, guess what, he's got the biggest.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Arm in league. So everyone in Dallas is going to
get to see that on display. I'm telling you, man,
I've this kid ouzes with talent ability. If Brian Schottenheimer
and his staff can get the most out of Joe Milton,
he could be scary as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I'm telling you, six five, two hundred and forty seven pounds.
He not only has a strong arm, that man has
a strong body. So I mean he's a pretty physically
imposing figure on the field. It'll be interesting to see
how that all shapes up. I'll say this, that could
(38:39):
be the best deterrent for one Dak Prescott to stay healthy.
I mean, obviously, Trey Lance ain't the guy, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
I mean, if he would have just opted out of
games a little bit more often, he could have started
in Indie
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Dang Well saying with all that ability, man
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