April 8, 2025 • 40 mins
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get this you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Don't put that on me? You got a wet white?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh no, I don't don't have one? You know where
are those?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Share? I get a wet white?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Please man.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yesterday this song was the best it's ever sounded.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, because y'all didn't play it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Literally it started playing in Lorena four seconds and potted
it down. Brady told me to whoa we know, Brady's
wasn't here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, why are you?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Dar wasn't here. So we wanted to play music that
we like.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
There's no reason to play it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Why does Ray have to out anybody on the show, Like.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Why are you trying to throw me under the bus?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, it's all right. Pigeon, pigeon.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I don't think pigeons make that noise. What was that
you did? But god, yes, I think that's a different
breed of bird Lorendo.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm gonna find an edited version and if I do,
you have to play it.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I would love it if you did.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Please, yes, okay, because I feel like you're not playing
it because I don't know you. You don't like the
song you ever, I've.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Never heard it, but it does seem a little inappropriate.
I could give you some.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Snippets of lines throughout it seems. I know I'm the
one who gave you the.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
C about birds, but it's definitely it is about birds.
I think it's disrespectful to women personally. That's what I
was getting from it, which is probably why it's not
in the system. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Maybe, and it's about birds.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There's different species of birds.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This one is more like an ostrich. You know, they
don't fly, They just they run fast. You know, they
they're aggressive at times. You know that this is you know,
that's all there? You go.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
An ostrich is a dinosaur that's not a bird that
is a violent they'll clip you too.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Brou Hey.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
By the way, did you see that some guy recreated
dire wolves really like took the genes from a dire
wolves store and recreated them. They've got two males that
are like an under a year old, and they've got
a female that was born not long How big are they?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Eighty pounds already.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And they're five months eighty pounds eighty pounds?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, aren't dire wolves like.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It's like Romeus and Romulus I forget the names or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Aren't they like like big big though, like super super
super like like those like big like those maskhols.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Yeah, they're eighty pounds at five months and they're gonna
grow up pretty big.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And they continue growing pretty big until it is eighteen
months I think it is is when they they peak.
But yeah, they found a gene off a skull, a
piece of a skull that they had, and they got
enough of it that they were able to recreate it.
So they've got two males and they've got this female
that was born not long ago, and they look awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You gotta find me a picture, you know, they're they
they're doing that with wild horses. What are you doing
bro that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I want to say it out loud. Just just know that.
And if Lee hadn't, you know, if Lee hadn't put
my mic cover out to the street, you know, I'd
have my mic cover. This is one of them mic
cover days. So I don't know the reasoning why this
is like not not a good situation, but it's just
(04:21):
not right.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now, that's all fun.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Fact.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Dire wolves can get from one hundred and thirty up
to one hundred and fifty pounds and five to six
feet tall standing on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All six feet. Yeah. I was thinking more so of
the size, Like when I think of the dire wolf,
I think immediately of the stark wolfs obviously in the show.
But some of them are like really really like like giant,
big huge, like you could ride them type big.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Right, right, I mean I mean six feet to the
shoulder though.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, that's all six feet to the shoulders tall. That's
super tall. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a big dog.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, would you would you get one?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Hell yeah, hell yeah. That's my type of that's the
type of stuff I do.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I I meant to say three feet tall, five to
six feet long.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Okay, okay, I thought they said their shoulders though they
are really tall.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, if they stand up, if they're that long in length,
then if they go on their hind legs, they are
six feet so it's it's kind of now.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
There was one misconception that they said that like threw
everyone off from like Game of Thrones is most thought
they were black, and then they thought they were red,
but come to find out they're actually white.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Off top Brady.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Interesting and we got dire wolves.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't really understand what that means. Jonas take it over.
That's got to be racist.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I'm just leaving that there.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
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(06:19):
a Las Vegas Raider and he is fired up about
it because a reunion is happening this upcoming year. He's
back with this guy, Pete Carroll. He was introduced yesterday
in Vegas. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, he's very relatable.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
He loves all of his players just like they're his kids,
and he treats us all the same.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
He treats us like men.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
He allows us to make decisions and allows us to
be ourselves. But when it comes to inspiring people, you know,
guys to go out there and play hard. I mean,
this guy's got in space. I think there is unfinished
business and I think, you know, when people think about
my story, you know, Coach Carroll was a big part
of that. You know, he gave me an opportunity when
not many people would have. And he saw, you know,
the hard work that I was putting in. He saw
(07:00):
the things behind the scenes that I that I do
that allowed me to get this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But to be able to play for.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Him and again to be a part of this organization,
it means everything to myself and my family. Yeah, I
was just telling them, man, I'll run through a wall
for him, and he knows that, and I'll do the
same for my teammates and for this organization. And so
I just want that to be, you know, kind of
who I am, and I want that to be the
statement of who I am as the quarterback of this team.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm more and more a fan of the Geno Smith trade.
The more that you hear him talk about just how
much him and Pete Carroll aligne and just basically giving
him the credit for reviving his career so much so
that it leads me to believe, Yeah, they're definitely not
taking a quarterback, even if one's sitting there at six.
(07:48):
Like now, I buy the Ashton gent rumors and the
odds and all that stuff, like if they're fully into
Geno Smith. And he did a sit down with Albert
Breer and just talked about how he's with Pete Carroll
throughout last year like they would talk often. He's got
a past with Chip Kelly. He went over and talked
with Tom Brady. Tom Brady was a big fan of
(08:11):
what he had done at an advanced age, much like
Brady was. I think they're they're in on Gino Smith,
and they're going to use that topic on somebody other
than a quarterback. And this whole time I thought, if
Schador was there, there's no way they passed on him.
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. They're going to
Ashton genty book it.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think it depends on who's available at that point,
which you'd assume. And we've talked about this with Albert
and even Pete. You know, Pete's never an advocate for this.
In fact, I want one of you guys to ask
Pete this because it'll be too much of a layup
if it's coming from me, Because I know how Pete
feels about running backs. He is against drafting any running
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back in the first round. So he will say that,
He'll say they grow entries and you can find, you know,
guys in the second, third, fourth, or six, seventh round.
But if you look at Pee Chell's track record, I
mean he didn't draft Russell Wilson in the first round
or second round for that matter. He was a third
round draft pick. So they don't or he hasn't at
(09:09):
least put a premium on taking a quarterback unless he's
really seen a guy who there's a lot of value in.
And I think they're gonna take best player available. It's
oftentimes been defense, at times it's been offensive line, but
that's usually been his mo. And so I'm with you
on where Las Vegas would go if they feel like
(09:29):
Ashton Genty is the most dynamic player that we've got
him rated highouse on the board, could make a lot
of sense for them for them in Las Vegas. I
also would want to point out it's interesting getting to
like the mental side of things with Pete Carroll and
Gino Smith in that relationship because both of them kind
of came off bad breakups. Like things didn't work out
(09:53):
for Gino in New York with the Jets after drafting him,
and large part too to the dysfunction that organization was.
I mean, I was there with Gino that he could
spin it. Now, were there some things that he needed
to grow up and mature, you know in the league
when I was there.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
With him his rookie year. Of course, that's every rookie quarterback.
Though every rookie quarterback goes through.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
That, and he has and I think he had the
opportunity to sit, watch learn and he really sees that
next opportunity. And for Pete, look, Gino was that quarterback
after Russell Wilson who kind of provided him, you know,
some element of stability, some element of good quarterback play
and all be honest, whenever I watched their tape, I
(10:33):
always feel like Geno Smith is overcoming a lot more
than people want to give him credit. And even last year,
you know, had another new offensive coordinator, completely different system.
How he handled the line of scrimmage, how he handled everything.
Just that it's put on the quarterback's plate being the
field general out there. I think it flies under the
radar because people don't understand how hard that is in
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one year's time to switch to a new system and
do all the things that he was asked to do.
But he's from Peter Carroll's perspective. He understands exactly what
he's getting his quarterback. So I kind of loved it
for both of them because I think they both found
each other at the right time, if you will.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think it was a strategic play because of maybe
their lack of belief in this year's draft class at QBS.
I think it's more so about that and less about
Geno Smith. I think he's as safe to be able
to get a guy he felt comfortable with, did all
those things with in terms of reviving his career and
(11:34):
having success with him in his last years in Seattle.
I think Pete Carroll looks at it and says, this
is my best opportunity to get out of the gate
as quickly as possible, and he was able to get
a hold of him the way that he was able
to get a hold of him, and that wasn't Matthew Stafford.
(11:56):
It wasn't you know, Tom Brady meeting with Stafford and
getting him there. I'm sure they felt like that was
probably the number one option that they wanted and going
forward with the team. They didn't. I didn't hear too much.
It didn't sound like there was too much aggressive approach
to bringing Aaron Rodgers there. So I don't know what
(12:19):
that represents in the conversation. I just think that the
comfort level of Pete Carroll coming into the scenario that
he's coming into because it's a volatile situation in Las Vegas.
It's not a simple situation. It's not an easy fix.
It's not a simple fix, and it has been that
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way for quite some time now. So he's got to
give himself, in his estimation taking the job, He's got
to give himself the best opportunity to be able to
have success right out of the gate. And I think
this is more of an indictment on what he feels
about the quarterbacks class versus it being more so about
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anything else.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
It feels though, like this version of the Raiders whatever,
pairing front office coach, et cetera. It feels like this
is the most in lock step they've been in a
long time. Like the Josh McDaniel stuff was just kind
of weird, like Antonio Pierce never really got a fair shot.
Mark Davis kind of was was in and then he wasn't.
(13:26):
The John Gruden stuff they tried that it ended because
of the you know, the scandal and everything that came
along with it. This at least feels like, all right,
we've got well, you know, the email, yeah, scandal. It
feels like they've got Yeah, it's a great word to say, just.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I know, but it's just it's a little unfair.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Well, I mean, I mean and correct, I don't I
don't think you say it's a scandal.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well you call it email what.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Controversial Bockle controversy, controversy.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean, he lost his job over it, and it
was connected to kind of in a lot of ways
scandal with with Dan Snyder. But you were exposing one
scandal and it led to an exposure of maybe maybe
(14:22):
bad conduct. Maybe it's like more of a bad an
exposing of bad, poor, poor judgment on communication.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I love a good scandal, nothing better.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But is that considered?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
What are what is that with Kerrie Washington? That was
it was called scale called scandal? Yeah, dude, she's hot.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Who's I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's just Washington is married to the awesome one? Yeah, okay,
oh sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
All right? It was and then it got a little.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
A little repetitive, you know, kind of a lot of monologues
and stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It is kind of interesting though, that Russell Wilson was available.
Pete Carroll's like, eh, I'd rather give something up for
Gino than bring in Russell Wilson without having to trade
for him. You know, Well we're good here. Yeah, that's
an interesting that observation. That ship sailed, Well we'll go
with this guy and at least now.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well you could you could add that to Justin Fields
as well. I mean, there were options and opportunities for them,
and that's who they settled in on. I think it was.
I think it was Matthew Stafford that they wanted. And
if it wasn't Matthew Stafford, who is the next best
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one that you feel the most comfortable with? And trying
to compete for an AFC West divisional crown. Who who
who works? Who fits the mold for you? Pete? And
that's who he said.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like who do you Who would you guys trust, like
based on not just this past year, but based on
recent history, past couple of years, like who would you
trust as your quarterback more Sam Darnold or Gino Smith?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Because me, Gino's started for a longer period of time,
agreed and played more consistently.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So that's why the Seattle side of it still kind
of puzzling, like there was no way to like and
I could understand, you know, a like work on a
short term deal. Apparently they did make an offer to him,
but he kind of felt like, yeah, it was there
was something more there that just didn't that didn't land right,
But it wasn't an offer that they looked at like, Okay,
(16:57):
this is really going to give me a chance here
to be the guy moving forward. I just don't know
is Sam Donald really an upgrade at the position over
Gino Smith. I don't think he is.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I don't think that. I don't think you could clearly
answer it with just one season of success with Sam Donald.
I just think he's an anomaly and in some ways
and in some regards, I just don't think his what
he did this year was it based off of all
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all of the the you know, the variables given right
from coach to to the amount of talent around him.
We're going to find out. We're gonna find out how
good Sam Donald is this season, this upcoming year. We're
going to find out if what he did in Minnesota
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was because he was executing as a very very strong,
talented system quarterback, or his talent in his maturity and
his understanding of the game at this point in his
career is allowing for him to have a measured level
of success. But in terms of what's a safer pick,
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it clearly comes down to Pete Carroll feeling as though,
looking at what Geno Smith brings to the table, that
is the safest move for him to make in order
to try to have success right out of the gate.
And like you said, I think that was done knowing
that they're not going to get that type of addressing
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of the quarterback issue in the draft. Let's get a
quarterback and let's build out with a player that can
impact our team at a different position.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I believe Gino did get ten million more guarantee. That's signing,
so there is something to that that's real money, real dollars,
and it kind of makes sense. It was a little
more shorter term too, potentially though from his side. You
know a lot of people think like you want a
short term deal as a quarterback, or the team wants
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the short term deal as a quarterback. But really, from
the players side, you want it because you can re
up on a much bigger long term if you're proving
to be the guy there. So if you were Gino
Smith and you're getting offered ten million more to go
play for the Las Vegas Raiders, it's kind of a
no brainer, especially for a coach you've played for, because
I think we'd agree now maybe not anymore, but you know,
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looking at like the weapons you've got, I mean, Jackson
Smith Smith and Jigba is still there, but they've moved
on from Lockett, they moved on from Metcalf and if
you look at Las Vegas you've got some young pieces.
Obviously Rock Bowers is there. He was phenomenal as a rookie,
So it's kind of a wash maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
In that regard.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I'm not sure the protection is much better one way
or the the other from the old lime. So why
not go someplace where a coach believes in you and
it's going to pay you ten million more guaranteed. So
if anything does go wrong, at least we've got that
in your back pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, good for Gino out there slinging it in Vegas.
These diar Wolves are sweet, man, These are just so cool.
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Speaker 1 (21:01):
Wow, what a bad song?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Oh uh uh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh get a Jonas, it's worse than I remember.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Jonas. You probably used some of these lines though before.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Like a half.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Hang, when did women start getting called pigeons in his
throughout history?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
I don't actually think they ever did, But like this
song was a nice little rebuttal that just went nowhere.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
There's a reason I went nowhere, Brady.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'm glad we were able to find it. You know,
I recall women being called pigeons. I'm just being really honest,
absolutely so dudes would be like, you're just a pigeon.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, Like how would they how would they use it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Like they're they're go flock of pigeons right there, there's
a pigeon right there, like just kind of like there's
a girl. Just replace anything that you'd say you use pigeon.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
That's like what like early nineties, mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
When did this song come out? Pigeons was like for
like a short period of time, pigeon was used very
heavily and like like you had hood Rat, you had pigeons.
You had skeezers, yeah who, you had chicken heads, you
had wog you had chicken heads, Yeah, yeah, chicken heads yeah, chicken,
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hoo chicken. Who was that project? Pat?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
If I if I called my wife a pigeon, the
federalities would be at my door in an hour.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No, I mean would she even know how to take that?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Could you look at how you say pigeon in Spanish?
Just make sure cross that off the list.
Speaker 9 (23:08):
Pigeon Spanish ploma, ploma is not the drink is not
the drink with grapefruit juice drinks a pigeon.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
You're looking at the wrong thing again.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean that is what it is, paloma, I drink
a pigeon. There's so many ways you could interpret that.
Teezers chicken. You ever heard of seezers? Yes, hoo chiese,
you ever heard of hoo cheese?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Sure like those I've heard before.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Pigeons, like pigeon was in there like that. That's like
a New yorkism, I believe pigeons. Like does it say
where the slang term pigeon originated from? I want to
say it was New York.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Well, it's slang for a person who's easily fooled or
because pigeons are easily fooled or cheated, So pigeon or
a pigeon head. It's usually an attractive woman who could
be easily fooled.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's not nice. I don't I don't know that that's
the right definition for it. But okay, what where is
that at on Webster's slang terms of of of urban
urban slang talk. What what where is that from?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Yeah, it's a number of sources here that's say that's
where they originated from, because it probably that's where it
started with somebody who's just easily fooled and they got
it and then you know, evolved.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
See, a pigeon, to me, is no different than like
a gold digger a pigeon. A pigeon is like they're
going to flock to when you have stuff. I always
thought it was a bird, Like you throw throw bird
seat down, like you're sitting there. You throw bird seat down,
A whole bunch of birds come flocking, do you. Pigeons
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will come flocking. So it's not like they're easily fooled.
It's that they flocked to what they can get. That's
why they're called That's what the whole point of the
song is. I don't want a pigeon.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think it's disrespectful to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I mean, I guess you know there's some more
hardcore terms, yeah than pigeon or houcci or e skeezer. Sure,
but I would put pigeon and skeezer in the same category.
I mean, I don't think that it's like, oh, they're
easily tricked and taking advantage of I think it's the opposite.
(25:35):
Like you got to be aware of a pigeon? Didn't
it turn into what was it? What was the Now
they're called what thought? These thoughts now, like that's like
the new the new definition that that hoe over there.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh my gosh, I mean that's what it's called a thought.
She's a thought. This is I mean, the exists. Whole
thing is really troubling.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Those things exist, man, Those people, I should say, they exist,
just like scrubs exist. Right, what's a scrub? Is a scrub? Easily?
Is a scrub? Easily? Uh? You know, convinced of something? No,
there's somebody who they they like he's flying.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
It's also known as a tough guy.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
No not, also known as a hustler. Like they'll hustle you,
like they'll make you think that they have what they don't.
You know what I mean, Like, oh, you thought that
he was a baller, you know, because he bought you
a drink or two, but he really lives at home
with his mom, or you know, takes the bus to
work like he's a scrub in real life. But he
tricked you and you were a pigeon, so you went
(26:46):
for it. And that's there. You have scrub and pigeon.
There you go, they go hand in hand.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well, who knows, maybe they could also be Olympians. You
know what BECAU doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It doesn't it doesn't have any type of barriers or
parameters on who it could be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, apparently the league office, the NFL league of
the NFL owners, there are odds over player participation at
the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. The owners are worried
about the potential injury risk, which really to who which is?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You know, they're players, Which is interesting because don't you
have a Pro Bowl that you do the same thing?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Or did you play flag football and have these goofy contests.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
In the Pro Bowl or that extra Who in the
pros are competing in the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Like, we don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
A lot of guys three years away, a.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Lot of guys raised their hands and said, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
They showed interest.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, but like who like in particular? Yeah, yeah, you
think they can make it to the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Flag football?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh that's right, that's right. That's right, that's right. That
is not track. That is right. I started just thinking
other other it had to be track and field, like
is it is it like discus? Is it? You know?
Is it shot put? Is it sprints?
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Where where they get in? But yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Flag football?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Flag? That's right, Okay, that is correct. There we go.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
It is.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
It is a bit ironic though, And I guess the
rebuttal you'd say if you're an owner is well, in
the Pro Bowl, even though we're talking about the same
sport flag football. Uh, they're representing our team, they're helping
to promote our league. So they're okay with it in
a one off circumstance. Whereas this not knowing the length
of how long they'll be competing and what that'll look like,
(28:37):
this changes things because it really doesn't do anything for
the owner. It only does more for the individual, right.
I mean, that's in essence why they have an issue
with it is because it really doesn't help their bottom
line unless they can leverage that gold medal with that
athlete and everything else to try to talk to corporate
sponses and say, hey, you know, you should come in
(28:59):
and adverage with us. We've got a gold medal recipient
on our roster as a part of this. So I
can understand why owners would be reluctant to let their
players play in this, But at the same time.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's like, it's a little bit hypocritical if we're being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, you can't hold them out from competing for a
gold medal and something that they would clearly win a
gold medal for one. That that is something that has
been It's interesting because in a lot of ways it
has contradictions connected to it as well, because the NFL
has really really pushed the narrative of a flag football
(29:37):
as an alternative to tackle for one. For two, they've
made a tremendous push towards the women's market, the demo,
the women's demographic through through flag football as well. That
has been very very well documented in the media. And
then the idea of trying to continue to spand your
(30:00):
borders with the game of football, and it doesn't always
come down to tackle football. Some of the easiest ways
to integrate and implement into foreign countries and foreign land
is through flag football, and we've seen that being the
approach of the National Football League. So I don't see
(30:21):
why they would have a problem with this. The better
the team does, it could turn into like a dream
Team type deal. Back when Michael and MJ you know,
Magic Johnson and all of them, burd and all of
them did the first Dream Team where it wasn't the
college guys, it was actually the pros that were competing.
It changed the way the world prepared and played basketball.
(30:44):
It inspired the world to play basketball and guys got
better and now it's a more competitive world scene playing basketball.
That's a possibility with football. And although it's flag and
although it's only one game, you know, I mean, I
don't know that. I don't they get to choose it,
right like breakdance was the one they chose and this
(31:06):
last one they get to choose it here and in
the US they chose flag. So I don't know that
it maintains continuing on to be a sport that stays
in the Olympics, but it just so happens. If it does,
that could be the springboard that the NFL needed to
be able to expand their borders and popularity of the game.
(31:28):
Entry way to tackle football would clearly and has been
flag football.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I understand. I don't know about that, so it has been.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean, that's.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Nine I'll put it this way. You can say that.
I'm just saying maybe in the West Coast.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Like East Coast too. It's East Coast too.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I'll put it this way. When I was growing up,
we didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, that's why. That's true.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
In third grade and that's what we have.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But that's and and there, and they're still looked at differently.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
My kids are either going to play this. It's like
an alternative for those that don't want the kids to
take the contact.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
That's correct.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
And so that's where like, unless the NFL wants to
take a major step or move in that direction to
start having that sort of league in flag football, I
think what they're doing already internationally is helping them promote
their the sport. But I think flag is in and
of itself its own thing. Like to me, they're they're
(32:25):
not the same game. You might have some crossover some
of the players, but to me, there's not the same game.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's an opinion. But I think it's relatable in the
terms of if your kid isn't ready, If you say, well,
what is your kid going to do as a fall sport,
and they're like, oh, I don't want them to play
tackle football. Yet it's always going to be explained as
the alternative is flag football. That's just how it's been
transitioned ever since the concussions epidemic. Flag football has become
(32:53):
the alternative to full contact football. Like I want my
kid to learn how to play football, but I don't
want them to get hit and play tackle. They're going
to go into flag football. That's that's what they're going
to do.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But like from the owner, like I could understand if
you're an NHL owner and you know they do the
Four Nations face off and something happens like Matthew Kuchuk
who suffers an injury and and you know he's out
for a significant amount of time, It's like, okay, well
that you're you're playing the same game. This is flag football,
Like you're like, nobody's going out there getting lit up
(33:27):
a crossing the field like it's not there's no wedge breakers.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's flag football.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So owners trying to push back and throw out the well,
you know it's player safety. We don't want anybody get hurt.
Then why do you want an eighteenth game? Why do
you like? Like why is? Why are you trying to
figure out ways to keep the kickoff in? It's just
there is a hypocrisy to a lot of this when
the reality is guys just want to go do it
because it's fun and you're gonna win a gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I wouldn't you do it?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I would say with the protections to defenseless players, now.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
There's a great likelihood that there.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Is a non contact injury that ends up impacting those
skill players. Then a contact injury at this point, I mean,
that's that's the big risk, and especially for some of
the star players like Tyreek Hill or Justin Jefferson, that's
the risk that they're taking on is going to represent
our country playing flag football, trying to win gold medal
(34:23):
and you know there's no contact really or there shouldn't be.
There might be some incidental contact from here to here,
you know, from time to time. But that's the risk
and that's obviously a concern for the owners. And again
you understand that because they have their rights like they're
paying them millions of dollars to play football, not to
(34:44):
do anything else, not to even play flag football. I mean, hell,
you know there's different clauses and contracts, like you can't ski,
you can't do all these other things that you probably
would like to do recreationally at least. I mean, even
the Nintendo We like back in the day, they written
it out of in closes and contracts for pitchers, closing
contracts for quarterbacks. There's all sorts of things they've tried
(35:05):
to carve out because they're worried about the injury risk.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
As like dumbness. That may sound, that's the reality.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Wait, they took out Nintendo We from picting so because
guys were having elbow.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Issues with it. Okay, I mean I just think this
is competing. That's all detail that stuff. You're you're competing
for your country and and like to have the opportunity
to build your brand on a national.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No brainer for the player, Like no one's pushing back.
I don't like it would be a no brainer for
the league.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Two. Again, it's it's a it's an organic way of
saying football is a sport that you can entertain. It
opens up the conversation even even that's what's interesting. It
opens up the conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
And that's what's interesting is because we talked yesterday about
how the rule changes that were submitted by Detroit was
actually motivated by the League office, and we kind of
talked about how there's maybe a divide in how we
talk about the league. When we see the league typically
think the owners, because they're the ones who own the teams,
are the ones who kind of run the league.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And Roger Panell do what it's supposed to do.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
It's different, but it feels like now we're starting to
see a little bit of a separation between sometimes what
the owners want and sometimes what the League office wants,
what Troy Vincent or Roger Goodell want. And that's one
of the more interesting storylines I think of this offseason
is the transparency that we've seen now in the toush
push the changes in seating for the playoffs being largely
(36:37):
motivated and sparked and even maybe tabled because of the
League Office's.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Influence on the owners and making those decisions.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
So maybe this is again a little bit of a
divide between what the League office wants and what Roger
Goodell thinks is good for the NFL and the brand
and the shield and what the owners want.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Well, definitely no divide here. We all believe in O'Reilly's
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d and twenty five pounds and never play football before
and get an opportunity to do so at tight end.
Congratulations to the Carolina Panthers who have signed Colin Granger.
He was the center on Coastal Carolina's basketball team, zero
prior experience again playing football, but because he's got those
(38:43):
physical gifts, let's hope this works out a little bit
better than when Draymond Green tried it when he came
out for practice at Michigan State. So congratulations, the latest
basketball player are going to try his hand.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
At tight end. I mean, you used Draymond Green, but
you could use against Zales, you could use Antonio, you
could use a few what's the kid out.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Of Mia Thomas played with in Denver, came out of Portland.
He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Julius Pepper's Jimmy Graham. There you go. Yeah, so you
got some basketball guys that have played played football. So
you know that's not like certain certain positions translate well.
You know, I was a basketball player. Pass rushing translates
well because it's like a crossover, you know. And now
(39:30):
they're starting to teach pass rush moves and wide receivers
moves and different things like basketball players like the footwork
of it all. So I mean, it translates, you know,
just a matter of And again, the game is you
heard you mentioned earlier, the game isn't as physical as
it once was, so you're not as in much danger
(39:53):
being six' nine and trying to catch the ball over the.
Middle they gotta wait for you to catch it before
they hit. You so there's as long as he can
concentrate and focus and show that he's got a great
catch radius to get a hold of the, BALL i,
mean why not why not take a chance on? It
if he really shows the ability to be able to
play the, game you, know within the parameters of, football
(40:16):
why not there's a lot of basketball players look like football,
PLAYERS i mean don't look like football players, though so
use the.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Defender you're not going to try and light them up,
there of, course of, course try to eat all them ribs,
up spear, ribs barbecue, ribs you, know pigeon, ribs scrub,
ribs all of.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
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Get this you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Don't put that on me? You got a wet white?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Oh no, I don't don't have one? You know where
are those?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Share? I get a wet white?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Lee?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
We ain't going nowhere.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Please man.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yesterday this song was the best it's ever sounded.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, because y'all didn't play it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Literally it started playing in Lorena four seconds and potted
it down. Brady told me to whoa we know, Brady's
wasn't here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, why are you?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Dar wasn't here. So we wanted to play music that
we like.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
There's no reason to play it.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Why does Ray have to out anybody on the show, Like.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Why are you trying to throw me under the bus?
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Yeah, it's all right. Pigeon, pigeon.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
I don't think pigeons make that noise. What was that
you did? But god, yes, I think that's a different
breed of bird Lorendo.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
I'm gonna find an edited version and if I do,
you have to play it.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
I would love it if you did.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Please, yes, okay, because I feel like you're not playing
it because I don't know you. You don't like the
song you ever, I've.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Never heard it, but it does seem a little inappropriate.
I could give you some.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Snippets of lines throughout it seems. I know I'm the
one who gave you the.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
C about birds, but it's definitely it is about birds.
I think it's disrespectful to women personally. That's what I
was getting from it, which is probably why it's not
in the system. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Maybe, and it's about birds.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
There's different species of birds.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This one is more like an ostrich. You know, they
don't fly, They just they run fast. You know, they
they're aggressive at times. You know that this is you know,
that's all there? You go.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
An ostrich is a dinosaur that's not a bird that
is a violent they'll clip you too.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Brou Hey.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
By the way, did you see that some guy recreated
dire wolves really like took the genes from a dire
wolves store and recreated them. They've got two males that
are like an under a year old, and they've got
a female that was born not long How big are they?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Eighty pounds already.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And they're five months eighty pounds eighty pounds?
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well, aren't dire wolves like.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It's like Romeus and Romulus I forget the names or
something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Aren't they like like big big though, like super super
super like like those like big like those maskhols.
Speaker 7 (03:23):
Yeah, they're eighty pounds at five months and they're gonna
grow up pretty big.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That's pretty big.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And they continue growing pretty big until it is eighteen
months I think it is is when they they peak.
But yeah, they found a gene off a skull, a
piece of a skull that they had, and they got
enough of it that they were able to recreate it.
So they've got two males and they've got this female
that was born not long ago, and they look awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You gotta find me a picture, you know, they're they
they're doing that with wild horses. What are you doing
bro that?
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I want to say it out loud. Just just know that.
And if Lee hadn't, you know, if Lee hadn't put
my mic cover out to the street, you know, I'd
have my mic cover. This is one of them mic
cover days. So I don't know the reasoning why this
is like not not a good situation, but it's just
(04:21):
not right.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now, that's all fun.
Speaker 8 (04:24):
Fact.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Dire wolves can get from one hundred and thirty up
to one hundred and fifty pounds and five to six
feet tall standing on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
All six feet. Yeah. I was thinking more so of
the size, Like when I think of the dire wolf,
I think immediately of the stark wolfs obviously in the show.
But some of them are like really really like like giant,
big huge, like you could ride them type big.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Right, right, I mean I mean six feet to the
shoulder though.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, that's all six feet to the shoulders tall. That's
super tall. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a big dog.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I mean, would you would you get one?
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Hell yeah, hell yeah. That's my type of that's the
type of stuff I do.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I I meant to say three feet tall, five to
six feet long.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
Okay, okay, I thought they said their shoulders though they
are really tall.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, if they stand up, if they're that long in length,
then if they go on their hind legs, they are
six feet so it's it's kind of now.
Speaker 7 (05:23):
There was one misconception that they said that like threw
everyone off from like Game of Thrones is most thought
they were black, and then they thought they were red,
but come to find out they're actually white.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Off top Brady.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Interesting and we got dire wolves.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't really understand what that means. Jonas take it over.
That's got to be racist.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
I'm just leaving that there.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
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(06:19):
a Las Vegas Raider and he is fired up about
it because a reunion is happening this upcoming year. He's
back with this guy, Pete Carroll. He was introduced yesterday
in Vegas. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, he's very relatable.
Speaker 8 (06:33):
He loves all of his players just like they're his kids,
and he treats us all the same.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
He treats us like men.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
He allows us to make decisions and allows us to
be ourselves. But when it comes to inspiring people, you know,
guys to go out there and play hard. I mean,
this guy's got in space. I think there is unfinished
business and I think, you know, when people think about
my story, you know, Coach Carroll was a big part
of that. You know, he gave me an opportunity when
not many people would have. And he saw, you know,
the hard work that I was putting in. He saw
(07:00):
the things behind the scenes that I that I do
that allowed me to get this opportunity.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
But to be able to play for.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
Him and again to be a part of this organization,
it means everything to myself and my family. Yeah, I
was just telling them, man, I'll run through a wall
for him, and he knows that, and I'll do the
same for my teammates and for this organization. And so
I just want that to be, you know, kind of
who I am, and I want that to be the
statement of who I am as the quarterback of this team.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
I'm more and more a fan of the Geno Smith trade.
The more that you hear him talk about just how
much him and Pete Carroll aligne and just basically giving
him the credit for reviving his career so much so
that it leads me to believe, Yeah, they're definitely not
taking a quarterback, even if one's sitting there at six.
(07:48):
Like now, I buy the Ashton gent rumors and the
odds and all that stuff, like if they're fully into
Geno Smith. And he did a sit down with Albert
Breer and just talked about how he's with Pete Carroll
throughout last year like they would talk often. He's got
a past with Chip Kelly. He went over and talked
with Tom Brady. Tom Brady was a big fan of
(08:11):
what he had done at an advanced age, much like
Brady was. I think they're they're in on Gino Smith,
and they're going to use that topic on somebody other
than a quarterback. And this whole time I thought, if
Schador was there, there's no way they passed on him.
I don't think they're taking a quarterback. They're going to
Ashton genty book it.
Speaker 7 (08:27):
I think it depends on who's available at that point,
which you'd assume. And we've talked about this with Albert
and even Pete. You know, Pete's never an advocate for this.
In fact, I want one of you guys to ask
Pete this because it'll be too much of a layup
if it's coming from me, Because I know how Pete
feels about running backs. He is against drafting any running
(08:47):
back in the first round. So he will say that,
He'll say they grow entries and you can find, you know,
guys in the second, third, fourth, or six, seventh round.
But if you look at Pee Chell's track record, I
mean he didn't draft Russell Wilson in the first round
or second round for that matter. He was a third
round draft pick. So they don't or he hasn't at
(09:09):
least put a premium on taking a quarterback unless he's
really seen a guy who there's a lot of value in.
And I think they're gonna take best player available. It's
oftentimes been defense, at times it's been offensive line, but
that's usually been his mo. And so I'm with you
on where Las Vegas would go if they feel like
(09:29):
Ashton Genty is the most dynamic player that we've got
him rated highouse on the board, could make a lot
of sense for them for them in Las Vegas. I
also would want to point out it's interesting getting to
like the mental side of things with Pete Carroll and
Gino Smith in that relationship because both of them kind
of came off bad breakups. Like things didn't work out
(09:53):
for Gino in New York with the Jets after drafting him,
and large part too to the dysfunction that organization was.
I mean, I was there with Gino that he could
spin it. Now, were there some things that he needed
to grow up and mature, you know in the league
when I was there.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
With him his rookie year. Of course, that's every rookie quarterback.
Though every rookie quarterback goes through.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
That, and he has and I think he had the
opportunity to sit, watch learn and he really sees that
next opportunity. And for Pete, look, Gino was that quarterback
after Russell Wilson who kind of provided him, you know,
some element of stability, some element of good quarterback play
and all be honest, whenever I watched their tape, I
(10:33):
always feel like Geno Smith is overcoming a lot more
than people want to give him credit. And even last year,
you know, had another new offensive coordinator, completely different system.
How he handled the line of scrimmage, how he handled everything.
Just that it's put on the quarterback's plate being the
field general out there. I think it flies under the
radar because people don't understand how hard that is in
(10:56):
one year's time to switch to a new system and
do all the things that he was asked to do.
But he's from Peter Carroll's perspective. He understands exactly what
he's getting his quarterback. So I kind of loved it
for both of them because I think they both found
each other at the right time, if you will.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think it was a strategic play because of maybe
their lack of belief in this year's draft class at QBS.
I think it's more so about that and less about
Geno Smith. I think he's as safe to be able
to get a guy he felt comfortable with, did all
those things with in terms of reviving his career and
(11:34):
having success with him in his last years in Seattle.
I think Pete Carroll looks at it and says, this
is my best opportunity to get out of the gate
as quickly as possible, and he was able to get
a hold of him the way that he was able
to get a hold of him, and that wasn't Matthew Stafford.
(11:56):
It wasn't you know, Tom Brady meeting with Stafford and
getting him there. I'm sure they felt like that was
probably the number one option that they wanted and going
forward with the team. They didn't. I didn't hear too much.
It didn't sound like there was too much aggressive approach
to bringing Aaron Rodgers there. So I don't know what
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that represents in the conversation. I just think that the
comfort level of Pete Carroll coming into the scenario that
he's coming into because it's a volatile situation in Las Vegas.
It's not a simple situation. It's not an easy fix.
It's not a simple fix, and it has been that
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way for quite some time now. So he's got to
give himself, in his estimation taking the job, He's got
to give himself the best opportunity to be able to
have success right out of the gate. And I think
this is more of an indictment on what he feels
about the quarterbacks class versus it being more so about
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anything else.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
It feels though, like this version of the Raiders whatever,
pairing front office coach, et cetera. It feels like this
is the most in lock step they've been in a
long time. Like the Josh McDaniel stuff was just kind
of weird, like Antonio Pierce never really got a fair shot.
Mark Davis kind of was was in and then he wasn't.
(13:26):
The John Gruden stuff they tried that it ended because
of the you know, the scandal and everything that came
along with it. This at least feels like, all right,
we've got well, you know, the email, yeah, scandal. It
feels like they've got Yeah, it's a great word to say, just.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
I know, but it's just it's a little unfair.
Speaker 7 (13:46):
Well, I mean, I mean and correct, I don't I
don't think you say it's a scandal.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well you call it email what.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Controversial Bockle controversy, controversy.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I mean, he lost his job over it, and it
was connected to kind of in a lot of ways
scandal with with Dan Snyder. But you were exposing one
scandal and it led to an exposure of maybe maybe
(14:22):
bad conduct. Maybe it's like more of a bad an
exposing of bad, poor, poor judgment on communication.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
I love a good scandal, nothing better.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But is that considered?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
What are what is that with Kerrie Washington? That was
it was called scale called scandal? Yeah, dude, she's hot.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Who's I mean?
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's just Washington is married to the awesome one? Yeah, okay,
oh sorry.
Speaker 4 (15:01):
All right? It was and then it got a little.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
A little repetitive, you know, kind of a lot of monologues
and stuff in there.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
It is kind of interesting though, that Russell Wilson was available.
Pete Carroll's like, eh, I'd rather give something up for
Gino than bring in Russell Wilson without having to trade
for him. You know, Well we're good here. Yeah, that's
an interesting that observation. That ship sailed, Well we'll go
with this guy and at least now.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well you could you could add that to Justin Fields
as well. I mean, there were options and opportunities for them,
and that's who they settled in on. I think it was.
I think it was Matthew Stafford that they wanted. And
if it wasn't Matthew Stafford, who is the next best
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one that you feel the most comfortable with? And trying
to compete for an AFC West divisional crown. Who who
who works? Who fits the mold for you? Pete? And
that's who he said.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like who do you Who would you guys trust, like
based on not just this past year, but based on
recent history, past couple of years, like who would you
trust as your quarterback more Sam Darnold or Gino Smith?
Speaker 7 (16:30):
Because me, Gino's started for a longer period of time,
agreed and played more consistently.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
So that's why the Seattle side of it still kind
of puzzling, like there was no way to like and
I could understand, you know, a like work on a
short term deal. Apparently they did make an offer to him,
but he kind of felt like, yeah, it was there
was something more there that just didn't that didn't land right,
But it wasn't an offer that they looked at like, Okay,
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this is really going to give me a chance here
to be the guy moving forward. I just don't know
is Sam Donald really an upgrade at the position over
Gino Smith. I don't think he is.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I don't think that. I don't think you could clearly
answer it with just one season of success with Sam Donald.
I just think he's an anomaly and in some ways
and in some regards, I just don't think his what
he did this year was it based off of all
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all of the the you know, the variables given right
from coach to to the amount of talent around him.
We're going to find out. We're gonna find out how
good Sam Donald is this season, this upcoming year. We're
going to find out if what he did in Minnesota
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was because he was executing as a very very strong,
talented system quarterback, or his talent in his maturity and
his understanding of the game at this point in his
career is allowing for him to have a measured level
of success. But in terms of what's a safer pick,
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it clearly comes down to Pete Carroll feeling as though,
looking at what Geno Smith brings to the table, that
is the safest move for him to make in order
to try to have success right out of the gate.
And like you said, I think that was done knowing
that they're not going to get that type of addressing
(18:43):
of the quarterback issue in the draft. Let's get a
quarterback and let's build out with a player that can
impact our team at a different position.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I believe Gino did get ten million more guarantee. That's signing,
so there is something to that that's real money, real dollars,
and it kind of makes sense. It was a little
more shorter term too, potentially though from his side. You
know a lot of people think like you want a
short term deal as a quarterback, or the team wants
(19:18):
the short term deal as a quarterback. But really, from
the players side, you want it because you can re
up on a much bigger long term if you're proving
to be the guy there. So if you were Gino
Smith and you're getting offered ten million more to go
play for the Las Vegas Raiders, it's kind of a
no brainer, especially for a coach you've played for, because
I think we'd agree now maybe not anymore, but you know,
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looking at like the weapons you've got, I mean, Jackson
Smith Smith and Jigba is still there, but they've moved
on from Lockett, they moved on from Metcalf and if
you look at Las Vegas you've got some young pieces.
Obviously Rock Bowers is there. He was phenomenal as a rookie,
So it's kind of a wash maybe.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
In that regard.
Speaker 7 (19:57):
I'm not sure the protection is much better one way
or the the other from the old lime. So why
not go someplace where a coach believes in you and
it's going to pay you ten million more guaranteed. So
if anything does go wrong, at least we've got that
in your back pocket.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Yeah, good for Gino out there slinging it in Vegas.
These diar Wolves are sweet, man, These are just so cool.
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Speaker 1 (21:01):
Wow, what a bad song?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Oh uh uh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Oh get a Jonas, it's worse than I remember.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Jonas. You probably used some of these lines though before.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Like a half.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Hang, when did women start getting called pigeons in his
throughout history?
Speaker 7 (21:33):
I don't actually think they ever did, But like this
song was a nice little rebuttal that just went nowhere.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
There's a reason I went nowhere, Brady.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
I'm glad we were able to find it. You know,
I recall women being called pigeons. I'm just being really honest,
absolutely so dudes would be like, you're just a pigeon.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Yeah, Like how would they how would they use it?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Like they're they're go flock of pigeons right there, there's
a pigeon right there, like just kind of like there's
a girl. Just replace anything that you'd say you use pigeon.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
That's like what like early nineties, mid nineties.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
When did this song come out? Pigeons was like for
like a short period of time, pigeon was used very
heavily and like like you had hood Rat, you had pigeons.
You had skeezers, yeah who, you had chicken heads, you
had wog you had chicken heads, Yeah, yeah, chicken heads yeah, chicken,
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hoo chicken. Who was that project? Pat?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
If I if I called my wife a pigeon, the
federalities would be at my door in an hour.
Speaker 7 (23:00):
No, I mean would she even know how to take that?
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Could you look at how you say pigeon in Spanish?
Just make sure cross that off the list.
Speaker 9 (23:08):
Pigeon Spanish ploma, ploma is not the drink is not
the drink with grapefruit juice drinks a pigeon.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
You're looking at the wrong thing again.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean that is what it is, paloma, I drink
a pigeon. There's so many ways you could interpret that.
Teezers chicken. You ever heard of seezers? Yes, hoo chiese,
you ever heard of hoo cheese?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Sure like those I've heard before.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Pigeons, like pigeon was in there like that. That's like
a New yorkism, I believe pigeons. Like does it say
where the slang term pigeon originated from? I want to
say it was New York.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
Well, it's slang for a person who's easily fooled or
because pigeons are easily fooled or cheated, So pigeon or
a pigeon head. It's usually an attractive woman who could
be easily fooled.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's not nice. I don't I don't know that that's
the right definition for it. But okay, what where is
that at on Webster's slang terms of of of urban
urban slang talk. What what where is that from?
Speaker 6 (24:26):
Yeah, it's a number of sources here that's say that's
where they originated from, because it probably that's where it
started with somebody who's just easily fooled and they got
it and then you know, evolved.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
See, a pigeon, to me, is no different than like
a gold digger a pigeon. A pigeon is like they're
going to flock to when you have stuff. I always
thought it was a bird, Like you throw throw bird
seat down, like you're sitting there. You throw bird seat down,
A whole bunch of birds come flocking, do you. Pigeons
(24:59):
will come flocking. So it's not like they're easily fooled.
It's that they flocked to what they can get. That's
why they're called That's what the whole point of the
song is. I don't want a pigeon.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think it's disrespectful to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, I mean, I guess you know there's some more
hardcore terms, yeah than pigeon or houcci or e skeezer. Sure,
but I would put pigeon and skeezer in the same category.
I mean, I don't think that it's like, oh, they're
easily tricked and taking advantage of I think it's the opposite.
(25:35):
Like you got to be aware of a pigeon? Didn't
it turn into what was it? What was the Now
they're called what thought? These thoughts now, like that's like
the new the new definition that that hoe over there.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Oh my gosh, I mean that's what it's called a thought.
She's a thought. This is I mean, the exists. Whole
thing is really troubling.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Those things exist, man, Those people, I should say, they exist,
just like scrubs exist. Right, what's a scrub? Is a scrub? Easily?
Is a scrub? Easily? Uh? You know, convinced of something? No,
there's somebody who they they like he's flying.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
It's also known as a tough guy.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
No not, also known as a hustler. Like they'll hustle you,
like they'll make you think that they have what they don't.
You know what I mean, Like, oh, you thought that
he was a baller, you know, because he bought you
a drink or two, but he really lives at home
with his mom, or you know, takes the bus to
work like he's a scrub in real life. But he
tricked you and you were a pigeon, so you went
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for it. And that's there. You have scrub and pigeon.
There you go, they go hand in hand.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Well, who knows, maybe they could also be Olympians. You
know what BECAU doesn't.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
It doesn't it doesn't have any type of barriers or
parameters on who it could be.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
I mean, apparently the league office, the NFL league of
the NFL owners, there are odds over player participation at
the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. The owners are worried
about the potential injury risk, which really to who which is?
Speaker 4 (27:19):
You know, they're players, Which is interesting because don't you
have a Pro Bowl that you do the same thing?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Or did you play flag football and have these goofy contests.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
In the Pro Bowl or that extra Who in the
pros are competing in the Olympics.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Like, we don't know yet.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
A lot of guys three years away, a.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Lot of guys raised their hands and said, yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
They showed interest.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, but like who like in particular? Yeah, yeah, you
think they can make it to the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Flag football?
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Oh that's right, that's right. That's right, that's right. That
is not track. That is right. I started just thinking
other other it had to be track and field, like
is it is it like discus? Is it? You know?
Is it shot put? Is it sprints?
Speaker 8 (28:07):
Like?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Where where they get in? But yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Flag football?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
Flag? That's right, Okay, that is correct. There we go.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
It is.
Speaker 7 (28:14):
It is a bit ironic though, And I guess the
rebuttal you'd say if you're an owner is well, in
the Pro Bowl, even though we're talking about the same
sport flag football. Uh, they're representing our team, they're helping
to promote our league. So they're okay with it in
a one off circumstance. Whereas this not knowing the length
of how long they'll be competing and what that'll look like,
(28:37):
this changes things because it really doesn't do anything for
the owner. It only does more for the individual, right.
I mean, that's in essence why they have an issue
with it is because it really doesn't help their bottom
line unless they can leverage that gold medal with that
athlete and everything else to try to talk to corporate
sponses and say, hey, you know, you should come in
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and adverage with us. We've got a gold medal recipient
on our roster as a part of this. So I
can understand why owners would be reluctant to let their
players play in this, But at the same time.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's like, it's a little bit hypocritical if we're being honest.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah, you can't hold them out from competing for a
gold medal and something that they would clearly win a
gold medal for one. That that is something that has
been It's interesting because in a lot of ways it
has contradictions connected to it as well, because the NFL
has really really pushed the narrative of a flag football
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as an alternative to tackle for one. For two, they've
made a tremendous push towards the women's market, the demo,
the women's demographic through through flag football as well. That
has been very very well documented in the media. And
then the idea of trying to continue to spand your
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borders with the game of football, and it doesn't always
come down to tackle football. Some of the easiest ways
to integrate and implement into foreign countries and foreign land
is through flag football, and we've seen that being the
approach of the National Football League. So I don't see
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why they would have a problem with this. The better
the team does, it could turn into like a dream
Team type deal. Back when Michael and MJ you know,
Magic Johnson and all of them, burd and all of
them did the first Dream Team where it wasn't the
college guys, it was actually the pros that were competing.
It changed the way the world prepared and played basketball.
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It inspired the world to play basketball and guys got
better and now it's a more competitive world scene playing basketball.
That's a possibility with football. And although it's flag and
although it's only one game, you know, I mean, I
don't know that. I don't they get to choose it,
right like breakdance was the one they chose and this
(31:06):
last one they get to choose it here and in
the US they chose flag. So I don't know that
it maintains continuing on to be a sport that stays
in the Olympics, but it just so happens. If it does,
that could be the springboard that the NFL needed to
be able to expand their borders and popularity of the game.
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Entry way to tackle football would clearly and has been
flag football.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
I understand. I don't know about that, so it has been.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I mean, that's.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Nine I'll put it this way. You can say that.
I'm just saying maybe in the West Coast.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Like East Coast too. It's East Coast too.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
I'll put it this way. When I was growing up,
we didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, that's why. That's true.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
In third grade and that's what we have.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
That's true.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But that's and and there, and they're still looked at differently.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
That's true.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
My kids are either going to play this. It's like
an alternative for those that don't want the kids to
take the contact.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
That's correct.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
And so that's where like, unless the NFL wants to
take a major step or move in that direction to
start having that sort of league in flag football, I
think what they're doing already internationally is helping them promote
their the sport. But I think flag is in and
of itself its own thing. Like to me, they're they're
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not the same game. You might have some crossover some
of the players, but to me, there's not the same game.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
It's an opinion. But I think it's relatable in the
terms of if your kid isn't ready, If you say, well,
what is your kid going to do as a fall sport,
and they're like, oh, I don't want them to play
tackle football. Yet it's always going to be explained as
the alternative is flag football. That's just how it's been
transitioned ever since the concussions epidemic. Flag football has become
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the alternative to full contact football. Like I want my
kid to learn how to play football, but I don't
want them to get hit and play tackle. They're going
to go into flag football. That's that's what they're going
to do.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
But like from the owner, like I could understand if
you're an NHL owner and you know they do the
Four Nations face off and something happens like Matthew Kuchuk
who suffers an injury and and you know he's out
for a significant amount of time, It's like, okay, well
that you're you're playing the same game. This is flag football,
Like you're like, nobody's going out there getting lit up
(33:27):
a crossing the field like it's not there's no wedge breakers.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
It's flag football.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
So owners trying to push back and throw out the well,
you know it's player safety. We don't want anybody get hurt.
Then why do you want an eighteenth game? Why do
you like? Like why is? Why are you trying to
figure out ways to keep the kickoff in? It's just
there is a hypocrisy to a lot of this when
the reality is guys just want to go do it
because it's fun and you're gonna win a gold medal.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So I wouldn't you do it?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
I would say with the protections to defenseless players, now.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
There's a great likelihood that there.
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Is a non contact injury that ends up impacting those
skill players. Then a contact injury at this point, I mean,
that's that's the big risk, and especially for some of
the star players like Tyreek Hill or Justin Jefferson, that's
the risk that they're taking on is going to represent
our country playing flag football, trying to win gold medal
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and you know there's no contact really or there shouldn't be.
There might be some incidental contact from here to here,
you know, from time to time. But that's the risk
and that's obviously a concern for the owners. And again
you understand that because they have their rights like they're
paying them millions of dollars to play football, not to
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do anything else, not to even play flag football. I mean, hell,
you know there's different clauses and contracts, like you can't ski,
you can't do all these other things that you probably
would like to do recreationally at least. I mean, even
the Nintendo We like back in the day, they written
it out of in closes and contracts for pitchers, closing
contracts for quarterbacks. There's all sorts of things they've tried
(35:05):
to carve out because they're worried about the injury risk.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
As like dumbness. That may sound, that's the reality.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Wait, they took out Nintendo We from picting so because
guys were having elbow.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Issues with it. Okay, I mean I just think this
is competing. That's all detail that stuff. You're you're competing
for your country and and like to have the opportunity
to build your brand on a national.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
No brainer for the player, Like no one's pushing back.
I don't like it would be a no brainer for
the league.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
Two. Again, it's it's a it's an organic way of
saying football is a sport that you can entertain. It
opens up the conversation even even that's what's interesting. It
opens up the conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
And that's what's interesting is because we talked yesterday about
how the rule changes that were submitted by Detroit was
actually motivated by the League office, and we kind of
talked about how there's maybe a divide in how we
talk about the league. When we see the league typically
think the owners, because they're the ones who own the teams,
are the ones who kind of run the league.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And Roger Panell do what it's supposed to do.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
It's different, but it feels like now we're starting to
see a little bit of a separation between sometimes what
the owners want and sometimes what the League office wants,
what Troy Vincent or Roger Goodell want. And that's one
of the more interesting storylines I think of this offseason
is the transparency that we've seen now in the toush
push the changes in seating for the playoffs being largely
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motivated and sparked and even maybe tabled because of the
League Office's.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Influence on the owners and making those decisions.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
So maybe this is again a little bit of a
divide between what the League office wants and what Roger
Goodell thinks is good for the NFL and the brand
and the shield and what the owners want.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
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d and twenty five pounds and never play football before
and get an opportunity to do so at tight end.
Congratulations to the Carolina Panthers who have signed Colin Granger.
He was the center on Coastal Carolina's basketball team, zero
prior experience again playing football, but because he's got those
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physical gifts, let's hope this works out a little bit
better than when Draymond Green tried it when he came
out for practice at Michigan State. So congratulations, the latest
basketball player are going to try his hand.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
At tight end. I mean, you used Draymond Green, but
you could use against Zales, you could use Antonio, you
could use a few what's the kid out.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Of Mia Thomas played with in Denver, came out of Portland.
He was awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
Julius Pepper's Jimmy Graham. There you go. Yeah, so you
got some basketball guys that have played played football. So
you know that's not like certain certain positions translate well.
You know, I was a basketball player. Pass rushing translates
well because it's like a crossover, you know. And now
(39:30):
they're starting to teach pass rush moves and wide receivers
moves and different things like basketball players like the footwork
of it all. So I mean, it translates, you know,
just a matter of And again, the game is you
heard you mentioned earlier, the game isn't as physical as
it once was, so you're not as in much danger
(39:53):
being six' nine and trying to catch the ball over the.
Middle they gotta wait for you to catch it before
they hit. You so there's as long as he can
concentrate and focus and show that he's got a great
catch radius to get a hold of the, BALL i,
mean why not why not take a chance on? It
if he really shows the ability to be able to
play the, game you, know within the parameters of, football
(40:16):
why not there's a lot of basketball players look like football,
PLAYERS i mean don't look like football players, though so
use the.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Defender you're not going to try and light them up,
there of, course of, course try to eat all them ribs,
up spear, ribs barbecue, ribs you, know pigeon, ribs scrub,
ribs all of.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
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