April 11, 2025 • 39 mins
The NFL revenue reaches new heights. Deshaun Watson delivers a tone deaf hype video. and the NFL publicly fires referees by sending them to the college ranks.
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(01:08):
Watts looking for a new deal. Micah Parsons is looking
to get paid. A lot of people are out there
looking to get paid. Well, you know who did get
paid the NFL. Via Ben Fisher of Sports Business Journal,
the total league revenue surpassed twenty three billion in the
most recent fiscal year. Teams will receive a four hundred
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and sixteen million dollar distribution from their shared TV sponsorship
and licensing revenue. It has jumped almost nine percent over
last year's figure of three hundred and eighty two million dollars,
So congratulations to all involved. Hopefully we'll get a cut
of that, considering you know, we've done a lot to
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promote and cover the NFL, but nonetheless that league is
thriving now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's crazy to me, and I always say this when
people side with NFL owners as opposed to players. These
organizations print money. We've talked about how countless times you
can be a bad owner and you'll still make money.
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I mean, the real window we have into how much
exactly they're making because each team gets four and sixty million.
But take the Green Bay Packers for example, in twenty
twenty four, they generated six hundred and fifty four million
in revenue. Okay, revenue ninety eight, almost one hundred million
of that end up being a net income again and
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then sixty over sixty million was their profit. And that
is an organization that's in a small market, and that
was last year. So if you actually look at last
year's payout from the TV media rights, I believe they
were distributed three on eighty two million, So technically two
hundred and seventy two million of just Green Bays revenue,
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right a smaller market are coming from other ventures. Imagine
any of the teams in New York, Imagine Dallas, imagine
La imagine some of these other bigger market teams Chicago.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, they have to be well north of that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And if you're looking at how much the owners are
making right four and sixteen just from the TV, again,
just from the TV, and what they generated revenue was
the salary cap is what sixty percent.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Of that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
For the entire team that year. I mean it is
it's growing at.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
A pace meaning what the distribution media rightes are that
it's far surpassing where the players are in regards to
the salary cap. Like that, that ratio is going to
be off at some point in the future, especially as
Roger Gudel keeps pushing the lead to get the twenty
five billion by twenty twenty seven. You added that eight
teenth game. They keep going the way they're going, it's
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it's going to get to that number. It is just
ridiculous how successful the NFL is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
All right, My first question is now not as a player,
but more of a serial entrepreneur. If you can grow
your business and your brand and and a lot of
people would argue, you know, people will argue that it's
the brand that carries the weight of commanding those types
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of dollars versus maybe in different you know, leagues associations
where it's more the superstars that carry you know, the
popularity and the interest in the sport. Is it is
it crazy to think that you may hit a bubble
with the ownership in terms of what they're willing to
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pay out. Will it always be based upon a percentage
in your estimation or does it ever get to a
point where it's like, yeah, we're not paying you any
more than what we're paying you and for what it's worth,
Maybe some of that money starts going to some of
the other players and not just the three or four
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marquee players that are on a team. I mean, is
there any chance that the thought process of how the
money is distributed changes at some point if you're an
owner in this situation with business booming the way it is.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean I don't think it will. I mean, per's.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Gonna always have to adjust and evolve, like the percentages
always have to move with how much is being generated.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean it should theoretically, that's the fair way
to do it. That's where if you're the players union,
you would think that the compensation players are getting should
be equal to what the owners are getting.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean, that's what you that's what you'd think. Now again, there's.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
All sorts of accountrunning tricks and things you can do
to you know, make actually more pocket more than what
it shows. But think about this. The NFL is generating
over twenty three billion dollars a year right now. I'm
trying to go to twenty five. Do you know that's
more than like sixty countries GDP, like Afghanistan, Aruba, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, actually,
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for that matter, pretty much every single country in Africa, Fiji,
you can go on through the different like Liberia. I mean,
you could technically throw in Syria and Yemen, even though
some that's not exactly complete data because their economies are
taking with the conflict going on. I mean Saint Lucia,
like all these, I mean over sixty countries. It's bigger
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than their GDP just the NFL alone a year, and
what they're able to generate in revenue, it is ridiculous.
If you are an owner, isn't it the if it's
not broke, don't fix it mentality?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Like if you're an O, like why would you change
the way you are paying these players? Just keep doing
what you're doing, and if we can get that eighteenth game,
it's just going to add more revenue. Like I would
look at it and just say, hey, guys, this is working.
Let's continue to build on it. Let's continue to build
on our relationships when it comes to gambling, and let's
just let's just not screw this whole thing up and
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figure out a way that we can continue on this
path and this trajectory.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Because I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Think anybody expected this, especially like coming out of COVID,
there was a thought like, man, how are things going
to look?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
How are things going to change?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Afterwards, I think people just started to have more of
an appreciation for it, and once it came back, it
was like, Yeah, let's just roll, let's do it's keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They switch in and out so quickly in football. I
don't know if people realize how quickly players switch in
and switch out because we're so accustomed to playing attention
to the marquee players. But they switch in and they
switch out so so quickly, and new stars are born
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in essence, really in a lot of situations maybe overnight.
You find stars in so many different ways in the
game of football. It isn't always a pronounced way of
finding that next superstar. Chances are the star of this
year's draft might not even be talked about in detail
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and in depth, like that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wonder, like again, not trying to like kind of move
the goalposts for the players or anything like that, because
they are certainly deserving of what it is that they get.
But I just think that if you're looking at it
from the league perspective, I think the NFL has done
as good a job, if not the best, job, of
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making sure that the brand is always upfront and it's
stronger than what the individuals that are connected to it.
You know, in terms of their value, as big a
player as Patrick Mahomes is, they will still continue to thrive.
Once Patrick Mahomes is not a Kansas City Chief. We've
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seen it happen a ton of times now. Granted, they
may not continue to win at the clip that they've
won at, and that might, you know, question the value,
But I don't think the value changes so much so drastically.
It doesn't stop. The show doesn't stop if one of
these guys aren't playing anymore. Just I just wonder at
what point where you're generating you're generating business off of
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as you mentioned Q, you're generating money off of other
aspects of what you're doing business wise, it's not just
the game. And so once you get into all of
those those aspects of it, how do you continue to
fit figure out what that percentage is that you're gonna
pay to your employees. Because to me, I'm trying to
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drive up my revenue and keep my costs and my
hard costs, I'm trying to keep that down. I'm almost
on some Anthony Edwards type stuff like if you're one
of my best players, if you're a Patrick.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Mahomes, I'll do a deal like what they did.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Give you a ten year deal guarantee or you know,
all this money guaranteed and stuff like that. I'll do
that with those guys so that I don't have to
revisit this like we talked about with TJ. Water with
Miles Garrett. I don't want to have to keep revisiting
doing contracts. So I'm gonna give you a I'm gonna
give you a fIF the life of your career will
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most likely be twelve thirteen years. I'm gonna give you
a twelve thirteen year contract. Patrick Mahomes that don't come
back and ask me for nothing else. Don't come back,
don't come renegotiate. We'll do some shifting and some moving
like you're the bank of our team and all that stuff.
That's cool, but don't come back to me asking me
for no bigger paycheck I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
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give it to you, all right, now, take this money,
but I'm gonna take it right now.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It isn't I mean, you have to say, though, that
contract then has to factor in the growth of what's
gonna happen in the company and that amount of time.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Sure, I mean, I could try to buttro it in.
But what if it outperforms what I factored? You know what,
what if? What's but?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But you're making the case for TJ.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Watt right now, as Jonas kind of laid out, that
jumped dramatically in the past few years. So now he's
in a position where he has a guy who he
battles with for defensive Player of the Year, and you
could make the case he's the most important player in
the entire team in Pittsburgh, and yet he's making half
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of what Miles Garret would make this year.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think that's why you like it comes down to
making decisions, right like if somebody offers you X amount
of dollars for X amount of time, whether to forecast
turn out to be accurate or not, as as you
move forward, if it outperforms it by a ton or
if it doesn't. At the end of the day, you
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got your guaranteed contract. Like, whatever it is, your baseline
is that's your baseline. So while while I will sit
there and say, yeah, you can look at it from
the comparison standpoint of this guy's contract came up at
a time where the money went up, the value went up,
and so he's asking for more money. But you're making
a choice when you when you do that contract. Every
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single time we do a contract, you're making you know
this is this is interesting so so, But that means
you're basically saying they should never sign a twelve year
contract then, right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I mean you're taking it, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, look at it like this, right, If I know
I'm guaranteeing myself this throughout the duration of time that
I'm going to be in the league that some people
may like that security and and like that understanding of
where their cash is coming from and how much it
is and how I can tax it and where I
can put it and how I can invest Versus I'm
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gonna do a two year I'm gonna do a four
year deal, five year deal, six year deal. But I
know that it's going to come up in three years
to four years. I may want to do it. It's
a choice, that's I mean, that's why I understand that.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But I think both sides have an understanding for like
the Patrick Mahomes deal, that they're going to redo this deal.
He's gonna get compensated more. They're not going to let
him fall so far behind that he gets disgruddled, and
he's saying, I'm the best player in the league, I'm
probably going to be for the rest of my career,
and yet I'm not being compensated like that, right, Like,
that's a recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So let me pose it this way. So let's not
pose a long term deal.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Let's just say that for example, because to your point,
like you're saying, if you're in a contract, then you
know you shouldn't, like the player in this case, should.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Have the chance to revisit it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Well, what if you're presented with a better opportunity, like
let's just say using us hype, like a new time
slot opens up and.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They come to you and say, well.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, we want you to go this new time slot
and it's gonna be a bigger platform also their stuff.
But you're not gonna actually make any more additional money.
You're just gonna work this contract out in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, what about that bar? What about that again? I
think it still comes down to I'm just saying, so
you're just you're gonna work. You know, you're just gonna
work out the contract that you signed.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You have decisions that you have to make, ultimate Okay,
all right, right now, granted, since you pose it that way.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's funny bring that up. It's funny you bring it up.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean, if that were to be the opportunity, I
just need to understand what are all of the opportunities
connected to making this move right like this way?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Like the person who was there, you know, before you
is probably making more, They're compensated more for all those
things and all that. So theoretically, I mean, you should
want to renegotiate and want to actually get compensated more
and do all that. But like what you're saying is
like they should just you know, they sign a contract, right,
Like you should just keep making what you're making.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right, I would say there's a tap bit of a
difference in the sense. And this is the reason why
I would say there's a tap bit of a difference
in the comparisons. Is that one is you're taking one
and you're moving you're moving a commodity, you're moving assets
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into a different it's a totally different space.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh, totally different. Okay, So let me give you that's
totally different. Yeah, let me give you the totally different comparison.
That's not totally different. So Let's say you're a backup
guy gets hurt like Sam Darnold, goes in and plays
the season, plays fantastic. So if he was under a
three year deal, he just gots to play for backup
money the next two years. If he becomes the starter,
I think you have. I think there are theoretically.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's that new time slide talking about he becomes a starter. Right,
that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh so, so the people are backups as they are
what I'm saying that that's the example that I'm referring
to in this case for like a player, Well, that's
an edit, that's an edit peak because that's that's news
to me. If they're backups right now now, if they
are not saying the backups, because.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
That makes me a little upset. That hurts my feelings.
A little bit of talking but speaking. Here's how I
put it, LeVar.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I feel like you're you're putting your box yourself into
a corner with this.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Maybe they should just be a little more fluid, you know.
It's it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It sounds like you don't like, you don't like the
contract negotiation thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
A Q.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm gonna shut up and let y'all take this the
rest of this segment, because now that you've put it
in those terms, I'm just I'm gonna stay away from
this conversation because I didn't learned about backups now becoming
starters and starters getting paid more money. Which you're right,
Starters should always make more money than backups. You are
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one hundred percent right. So, by the way, if that's
the case, then you should always be able to get
more out of the scenario if you go from being
a backup on the bench to being a starter in
the game.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know, the backup mixes in you know on the bench.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Said they ain't making money. I'm just saying they ain't
the starter.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know what's wild if you go back ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
So the twenty fifteen season, damn highest salary annually that
year in the NFL was Aaron Rodgers at twenty two
million dollars. Rock Party's trying to get sixty right now.
In a decade, the salaries for Dak Prescott's already getting
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sixty have jumped three times what they were at ten
years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's crazy. The NFL. Just keep doing what.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You're doing, man, Just keep doing it, you know, just
don't Butcher this, it's a good problem. Don't don't drive
it through the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And that's probably why people are letting that, Like it's
the right time to let some of the equity of
your team go, right, some of the ownership with your tea.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
If you believe in iceberg is what took down the Titanic,
you know, there are those conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, that's one of my favorites. Yeah, I mean that one.
Come on, man, was it? Who was it? JP? Morgan?
Who was it that didn't get on the boat?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And all the other the financiers, although the bank owners
got on.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, and then if you look at the actual like
there's like an id plate of the Titanic, it didn't
match up to the actual one. And the one they
sent out on the water was like the rickety one
that that had issues.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I guess there, I guess there was another one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
So yeah, it's not exactly the way it was presented
to us, which is weird because it normally always is,
you know, as we found out. So yeah, it doesn't
make a lot of sense. Let's go to break well,
I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm I have to go crack some tears and wipe
my face and regathering my self and re center myself
so that we can you know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Hey, I got this show. I got something for you though.
Are check this out? Mm hmm, come on far Yeah,
here we go. Yeah, buddy timing.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, this is not a song for bench warmers.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, I'm on the bitch. I'm on the bitch. I'm
on the bitch. I'm on the bitch.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I want sleep. I want sleep. I want sleep. I
want sleep. Can I get some sleep? Can I get
some sleep?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Can I get some sleep? Wake up? Look at my eyes?
Look at my eyes. Look at my eyes. They look
like they're okay, okay, okay, Mark, Okay, you got me.
Let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do
it for Eddie.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Friday night is a football Friday, Football Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Can I get some sleep? Going into Friday? Can I
get some sleep? Come on? Can I get some sleep?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bet got your backup right here.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
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who they are again a little over fifteen minutes from
now I know what you guys are thinking, and this
is going to be really difficult for you. Two who
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have you know, wrongfully judged and crit sized the quarterback
of the Cleveland Browns, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson took to
social media to release his own personal hype video in
response to some of the criticism by not only you guys,
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but also from his own owner, Jimmy Haslam, who talked
about it being a swing and a miss and acquiring
to Shawn, Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
You know, the performance comes when you know your back
is against the walls. It comes better because you kind
of got to really lock in. You know, you don't
have anything pretty much to lose. And I feel like
that's why I'm at right now. You know, everyone's doubting me.
You know, everyone don't believe in me. Everyone don't think
that I can get back to where I was. But
I know and I believe the word that I put in,
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what I believe in myself, the piece that I've been
you know, channeling these last couple of months.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know I'm gonna be way better than before.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I got rid on the seaside side of the haven't
gotten I'm prepared, and I think before I wasn't prepared
because you know, I was kind of going with the
flow of how the world was seeing me. But you know,
when you kind of get knocked down to the ground
and you got to stand back up and walk through
the rain, because that brains out the real Another fire,
another challenge, another writ that you have it, And the
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biggest thing is really just mental, my mentality.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
The things that I got to deal with with the
outside and not.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Taking everything personal, like I mentioned before, taking everything and
just bring it full force and really just standing in
front of it face to face. The challenge is diversity.
Whatever comes with it is gonna come with it. But as
long as I'm doing it my way, I'm cool. I
can live with that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And can I get somebody to work out this not
in my hamstring?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Please?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
When you get a sack, I just I.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Mean, look, he's not quite thirty. His best football could
I don't know it's best, but he could maybe get
back to where he was five six years ago. I mean,
because he's not gonna be able to really play this season,
it doesn't appear. So now you're talking about six seasons
removed from his best year, at least yards wise.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Obviously, the team wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We talked about before some of that, A lot of
that those stats and production were in garbage. Now I
think twenty six of his touchdown passes were while trailing.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And again the defense was bad.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But I just look at it and go, He's had
nineteen starts over the past five years, Like what.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Has he been doing?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like this whole the whole motivational quote of getting knocked down, well, dude, like,
what have you know in the past five years? Like
it took you tearing your achilles twice to have this revelation.
And furthermore, did we ever figure out how he toured
the second time they did the follow up surgery?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, I think we have any information on that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think Andrew Barry called it an unfortunate accident.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I guess if you were taking your rehab the first
time around that that's seriously, Maybe you don't find yourself
on vacation dancing. Maybe you don't find yourself having an
unfortunate accident.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I just I can't imagine if you're a Browns fan
you want to hear this crap, Like, dude, stop, Like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
My man said, I got nothing to lose.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, you got two hundred and thirty million to thirty
million reasons guaranteed to say you ain't got nothing to lose.
I mean, of course you don't have nothing to lose.
I mean say this with no money, you know what
I mean? Like, say this when you didn't have it,
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Say this when when the odds are really he said,
my back is against the wall. Yeah, I raise my hand,
I'll take that wall. Hey, get LeVar Arrington that wall.
I'll put my back up against that wall. All right,
that's a two hundred and thirty million dollar wall.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm sorr sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I don't have any sympathies towards this situation, Fellas, I don't.
He can listen, he can hype himself, he can hype
the people that follow him, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That's entertainment.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I think this has more entertainment value than it has
anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's like promoting a fight.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, Mike Tyson really had me thinking that he
might punch Jake Paul in the face. You know, you
can look at all of the hype videos you want
to look at. In the end, this man has been
so far removed from playing in football, and the few
times that he has played, he's been ineffective. The bottom
line is is he got his money and you can
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do whatever type of act you want to do, social
media posts, hype videos, whatever it is you want to do.
All at this point, all you really want to do
is try to basically minimize minimize the damage, the damage
control of getting out of football and actually being able
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to have a decent, normal life lifestyle with all of
your money outside of the game of football. Because I
don't think it's happening in football fellas.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's like he's releasing a hype comeback video when he's
at best not going to be ready to play and
come back until December. It's a bit early, like we'reber.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Too early to call your shot though.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know, promoting a fight eight months out, you know,
probably not the best idea, Like this is all this
is is him responding to what Jimmy Hasm had to say,
Like once Jimmy Hasm put him on notice and just
call the whole thing a failure, Like this is him.
And when he says, well, you know, not caring what
people think about me as much, Well, no, that's exactly
what this is. Like he's doing some calisthenics and some
(26:51):
bandwork in the gym and he's still got a footcast on,
Like this is him.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Just got engaged too, didn't he just get engaged?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean life is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Moving forward, Deshaun Watson, Like, I don't want to be
all doom and gloom on the fella either.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
People make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
He's made a few more mistakes, a lot more mistakes
than many others. I mean it's a lot, there's a
lot of them alleged at least I just I would
just say if I'm Deshaun Watson and I'm his representation,
which at this point I guess his representation is like
just pay me my check, right, he needs to take
(27:29):
some of that money, and he needs to hire a
team of competent people who could actually re architect and
restructured his brand, like he needs a total brand reset.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And and what.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You just played, what we just listened to, that is
not that is perpetuating the narrative that he's a self
absorbed d bag. If I'm just being honest, Like again,
I don't want to come down like and be a
Debbie downer to the dude, but that that like that bro,
like come on, man, Like I don't need guys, don't
(28:06):
need to hear you saying that. I need to see
you doing something or talking about things in a way
that would make me feel as though you're understanding and
the things that you're valuing now are very very clear
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If you're going to put.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
It out there like because you didn't put it out
there for yourself, you put it out there for the
public to consume. So I'm telling you, as the public,
I want to consume this. I made some mistakes, Like
I'm hurt right now. I can't do it on the
football field, like the things that I've I'm going through
in my life where I've had to go through. Here's
(28:46):
where I'm at, Here's what I'm learning, Here's here's what
I'm doing. Like, I don't even need to hear about football,
to be honest. Just tell me about you the person.
Let me learn you as the person, if that's what
you want to put out to the public, because the
football part of it it's laughable, Like right now, it's laughable.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
So like, take that tired act and come with something
a little bit more with substance in terms of who
you are as a person, because we're questioning you as
a football player, but we were questioning you as a
person before we even got to questioning you as a
football player.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And I think that that's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know how far that money's gonna go in Thailand though,
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Man, well, and I mean people don't probably don't care
about football, American football and Thailand.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So I mean, he's good, he's good. You good to go.
I mean stupid, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They got tigers in Thailand, don't they? I mean, you
can afford it for you. You know, I don't know
that they got camels and mooses and andland No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
They got bulls. They got bulls. I've never been. I'd
love to go.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I've never been either. I heard you gotta be careful
over there, though. I'd love to go see a Muay
Thai fight in Thailand. That would be dope. Go see
Tongue Po. You think he's still fighting?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Who's Tongue Po? You don't know who that is now?
Isn't he from Kickboxer? Is that a real person? He
was a character?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well let's say, look, DeShawn, nobody wants to hear this,
like they just don't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
They don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Let's just, you know, can you get back and you know,
make something of the long term deal you got before
his NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Career is over? So, like, tell us about what really happened?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Has he ever told us what really happened? Well?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
No, but that's most likely because of the settlements. I
always wonder, Well, yeah, that's true, that's true. You kind
of got the sense And this is based on reports
from last year in the locker room, that there's something
missing there too with his teammates, like like forget the
public announcement about this, Like why didn't your teammates feel.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
This when you were there or while you were there?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And there's elements of that too that like they needed
to hear it from you and see it from you
the most, and obviously that wasn't being the case, Like
some people felt like there was a weightlifted once he
wasn't around, once he wasn't starting.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean, that's not my words.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
These reports coming from people talking to people, guys in
the locker room. So there's an element there too of
not being very aware of what was happening last season
the prior seasons in regards to how he's viewed as
a leader too. So maybe this is an opportunity for
him to reflect and try to find some of the
(31:47):
things you're talking about, LeVar, or trying to figure out
the next steps. But to your point, the greater point
is like there was never really an acknowledgment.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
There's only a.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Defense of what it was, and it's like there's so
much smoke there you'd have to admit there's fire somewhere
so well.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
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Speaker 2 (32:16):
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Speaker 3 (32:23):
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Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
The fourteenth of the fifteenth? It's the Titanic sink. That's good.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's tax ding fifteenth. Do you mean got like blown
up or have that fire that prolonged?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
All?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Well technically it hit the iceberg on the fourteenth
and then sink on the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well yeah, according to history, yeah, according.
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two of the Masters at Augusta, the grouping of Cam Davis,
Raphael Campos, and Austin Eckrote. I might have mispronounced that,
(33:57):
but whatever he's going to they're all gonna be off
here coming up in the next couple of moments from now.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
The Raphael Campos is actually a great story. He had
missed like thirteen or fourteen, maybe thirteen of the first
fourteen cuts, and he was like in one hundred thousand
dollars worth a debt because I don't know if people
know this.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
The PGA tour, you don't get paid unless you win.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Now, there is this like five hundred thousand dollars net
where that goes against your earning. So let's say you
only earn one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, the PGA
too will pay up to you knowle's say its two
undred thousand, the'll pay three hundred thousand of the difference
to help out. But he was, you know, between the hotels,
the flights, the caddy fees, everything else along with it.
(34:41):
He was six figures in the debt and he actually
ended up winning a tournament in Bermuda to not only
qualify him for the Masters, but also get him out
of the debt. Pretty pretty cool stories. Awesome, Yeah, and netting.
I think the purse was one point two million, which
obviously you know, after taxes and all that. But still,
like when you talk about gamblers, you can make the
(35:02):
case golfers every time they walk out there in the
PGA store, they're gambling on themselves.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, so well, hopefully it goes well. We'll keep you
posted here again. Normally this is.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
They're not backups, they're they're starting golfers betting on themselves.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You went down that road.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's a dark place.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Brouh, Yeah, that's what I hear, all right, So, uh,
dark place. So there's a I don't know the last
time we've seen this happen or the last time that
there's been this report that's come out. I don't recall
noticing this, but James Carter, Robin de Lorenzo, and Robert
(35:42):
Richison were all officials last year. They reportedly were fired,
according to Football Zebras, and they were sent back to
the college ranks. I don't know, and this could be nothing.
Maybe this is the NFL trying to show that they're
on the up and up and we're trying to be transparent.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Recall outside of guys leaving to do TV jobs, whether
it be Dean Blandino or Mike Pereira, Like, I don't
recall us knowing about multiple officials being fired or being
demoted and being sent back to the college ranks. Like
do you guys recall this ever being a thing in
the NFL before, Like we'd hear retirements, we'd hear hey,
(36:24):
so and so's walking away line judge this at hockeyly
that we would never I don't recall us ever hearing
that guys are being punished and to become public knowledge
and public information like this.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Uh yeah, I can't recall this either, although I think
this is a good step for the NFL at least
in putting forth the effort to make it look like
they care about the quality of officiating. It's a meritocracy.
Should be a player, it should be nothing else. Nothing
else should play a role. If you're talking about upholding
the integrity of the game, meaning whether it's for gambling, sports,
(36:57):
gambling books, obviously, the players, the coaches, everyone else's in
in the league. You want to make sure you have
the best officials possible who are part of the league.
And if you have a group that whether it's they're
young in their career and maybe they wouldn't ready for it,
whatever the case may be, there's no reason to subject
the players in the league and all the fans out there,
(37:19):
and all the gambling, but everything else that's involved in
this to be subject to poor officiating. And it's another
reason why it's great that they're being outspoken or public
about this. I feel bad for the individuals that get demoted,
but that's life. That's how it works. You don't do
a good job. You shouldn't get the ability to stay
at the NFL level just because you made it to
(37:40):
the NFL level. There should be some sort of demotion.
There should be a meritocracy at play. The only thing
I'd say, though, to help these officials out at another
one at an eighth official or start including replay on everything.
Allow these coaches to fix some of the issues these
officials cannot see in real time. That that, to me
(38:02):
still is the number one thing that needs to be
done in the NFL in regards to officiating.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, I'm good on I'm good on it. You're not
gonna win. Hear me. You can't hear me.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, you're not gonna You're not gonna win. On the
officials being punished publicly like this, well, I.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Think I think what what needed to be said was
just said. That would be doubling down on it, So
I tend to agree with it. It should be a meritocracy.
It should be the way you handle things. It should
be based off of your performance, and if not, then
you should go on the bench. By the way, not
be a starter.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Like like the fact that it's like, hey, listen, you
guys are being punished or fire, you're going back to
the call to the college ranks, which.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Means maybe they're going to give you another opportunity.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Okay, but but now, like if you're one of those
teams and you draw one of those officials in college
next year, you're.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like, why do we get them? They were just fired,
Why do we get them? Why are we stuck with that?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I mean, they're they're good enough to ref your games,
just not good enough to ref the pro games.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
That's all send them to, Send them to the n
b A being prety an improvement and they fit right in.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, be grabbing, dang,
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(01:08):
Watts looking for a new deal. Micah Parsons is looking
to get paid. A lot of people are out there
looking to get paid. Well, you know who did get
paid the NFL. Via Ben Fisher of Sports Business Journal,
the total league revenue surpassed twenty three billion in the
most recent fiscal year. Teams will receive a four hundred
(01:31):
and sixteen million dollar distribution from their shared TV sponsorship
and licensing revenue. It has jumped almost nine percent over
last year's figure of three hundred and eighty two million dollars,
So congratulations to all involved. Hopefully we'll get a cut
of that, considering you know, we've done a lot to
(01:53):
promote and cover the NFL, but nonetheless that league is
thriving now.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
No doubt about it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's crazy to me, and I always say this when
people side with NFL owners as opposed to players. These
organizations print money. We've talked about how countless times you
can be a bad owner and you'll still make money.
(02:20):
I mean, the real window we have into how much
exactly they're making because each team gets four and sixty million.
But take the Green Bay Packers for example, in twenty
twenty four, they generated six hundred and fifty four million
in revenue. Okay, revenue ninety eight, almost one hundred million
of that end up being a net income again and
(02:43):
then sixty over sixty million was their profit. And that
is an organization that's in a small market, and that
was last year. So if you actually look at last
year's payout from the TV media rights, I believe they
were distributed three on eighty two million, So technically two
hundred and seventy two million of just Green Bays revenue,
(03:06):
right a smaller market are coming from other ventures. Imagine
any of the teams in New York, Imagine Dallas, imagine
La imagine some of these other bigger market teams Chicago.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I mean, they have to be well north of that.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And if you're looking at how much the owners are
making right four and sixteen just from the TV, again,
just from the TV, and what they generated revenue was
the salary cap is what sixty percent.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Of that.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
For the entire team that year. I mean it is
it's growing at.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
A pace meaning what the distribution media rightes are that
it's far surpassing where the players are in regards to
the salary cap. Like that, that ratio is going to
be off at some point in the future, especially as
Roger Gudel keeps pushing the lead to get the twenty
five billion by twenty twenty seven. You added that eight
teenth game. They keep going the way they're going, it's
(04:03):
it's going to get to that number. It is just
ridiculous how successful the NFL is.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
All right, My first question is now not as a player,
but more of a serial entrepreneur. If you can grow
your business and your brand and and a lot of
people would argue, you know, people will argue that it's
the brand that carries the weight of commanding those types
(04:33):
of dollars versus maybe in different you know, leagues associations
where it's more the superstars that carry you know, the
popularity and the interest in the sport. Is it is
it crazy to think that you may hit a bubble
with the ownership in terms of what they're willing to
(04:56):
pay out. Will it always be based upon a percentage
in your estimation or does it ever get to a
point where it's like, yeah, we're not paying you any
more than what we're paying you and for what it's worth,
Maybe some of that money starts going to some of
the other players and not just the three or four
(05:17):
marquee players that are on a team. I mean, is
there any chance that the thought process of how the
money is distributed changes at some point if you're an
owner in this situation with business booming the way it is.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I mean I don't think it will. I mean, per's.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Gonna always have to adjust and evolve, like the percentages
always have to move with how much is being generated.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean it should theoretically, that's the fair way
to do it. That's where if you're the players union,
you would think that the compensation players are getting should
be equal to what the owners are getting.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I mean, that's what you that's what you'd think. Now again, there's.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
All sorts of accountrunning tricks and things you can do
to you know, make actually more pocket more than what
it shows. But think about this. The NFL is generating
over twenty three billion dollars a year right now. I'm
trying to go to twenty five. Do you know that's
more than like sixty countries GDP, like Afghanistan, Aruba, Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, actually,
(06:26):
for that matter, pretty much every single country in Africa, Fiji,
you can go on through the different like Liberia. I mean,
you could technically throw in Syria and Yemen, even though
some that's not exactly complete data because their economies are
taking with the conflict going on. I mean Saint Lucia,
like all these, I mean over sixty countries. It's bigger
(06:47):
than their GDP just the NFL alone a year, and
what they're able to generate in revenue, it is ridiculous.
If you are an owner, isn't it the if it's
not broke, don't fix it mentality?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Like if you're an O, like why would you change
the way you are paying these players? Just keep doing
what you're doing, and if we can get that eighteenth game,
it's just going to add more revenue. Like I would
look at it and just say, hey, guys, this is working.
Let's continue to build on it. Let's continue to build
on our relationships when it comes to gambling, and let's
just let's just not screw this whole thing up and
(07:22):
figure out a way that we can continue on this
path and this trajectory.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Because I don't.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Think anybody expected this, especially like coming out of COVID,
there was a thought like, man, how are things going
to look?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
How are things going to change?
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Afterwards, I think people just started to have more of
an appreciation for it, and once it came back, it
was like, Yeah, let's just roll, let's do it's keep going.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They switch in and out so quickly in football. I
don't know if people realize how quickly players switch in
and switch out because we're so accustomed to playing attention
to the marquee players. But they switch in and they
switch out so so quickly, and new stars are born
(08:08):
in essence, really in a lot of situations maybe overnight.
You find stars in so many different ways in the
game of football. It isn't always a pronounced way of
finding that next superstar. Chances are the star of this
year's draft might not even be talked about in detail
(08:31):
and in depth, like that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
So I just.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Wonder, like again, not trying to like kind of move
the goalposts for the players or anything like that, because
they are certainly deserving of what it is that they get.
But I just think that if you're looking at it
from the league perspective, I think the NFL has done
as good a job, if not the best, job, of
(08:57):
making sure that the brand is always upfront and it's
stronger than what the individuals that are connected to it.
You know, in terms of their value, as big a
player as Patrick Mahomes is, they will still continue to thrive.
Once Patrick Mahomes is not a Kansas City Chief. We've
(09:20):
seen it happen a ton of times now. Granted, they
may not continue to win at the clip that they've
won at, and that might, you know, question the value,
But I don't think the value changes so much so drastically.
It doesn't stop. The show doesn't stop if one of
these guys aren't playing anymore. Just I just wonder at
what point where you're generating you're generating business off of
(09:44):
as you mentioned Q, you're generating money off of other
aspects of what you're doing business wise, it's not just
the game. And so once you get into all of
those those aspects of it, how do you continue to
fit figure out what that percentage is that you're gonna
pay to your employees. Because to me, I'm trying to
(10:06):
drive up my revenue and keep my costs and my
hard costs, I'm trying to keep that down. I'm almost
on some Anthony Edwards type stuff like if you're one
of my best players, if you're a Patrick.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Mahomes, I'll do a deal like what they did.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Give you a ten year deal guarantee or you know,
all this money guaranteed and stuff like that. I'll do
that with those guys so that I don't have to
revisit this like we talked about with TJ. Water with
Miles Garrett. I don't want to have to keep revisiting
doing contracts. So I'm gonna give you a I'm gonna
give you a fIF the life of your career will
(10:41):
most likely be twelve thirteen years. I'm gonna give you
a twelve thirteen year contract. Patrick Mahomes that don't come
back and ask me for nothing else. Don't come back,
don't come renegotiate. We'll do some shifting and some moving
like you're the bank of our team and all that stuff.
That's cool, but don't come back to me asking me
for no bigger paycheck I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna
(11:03):
give it to you, all right, now, take this money,
but I'm gonna take it right now.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It isn't I mean, you have to say, though, that
contract then has to factor in the growth of what's
gonna happen in the company and that amount of time.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Sure, I mean, I could try to buttro it in.
But what if it outperforms what I factored? You know what,
what if? What's but?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
But you're making the case for TJ.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Watt right now, as Jonas kind of laid out, that
jumped dramatically in the past few years. So now he's
in a position where he has a guy who he
battles with for defensive Player of the Year, and you
could make the case he's the most important player in
the entire team in Pittsburgh, and yet he's making half
(11:46):
of what Miles Garret would make this year.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I think that's why you like it comes down to
making decisions, right like if somebody offers you X amount
of dollars for X amount of time, whether to forecast
turn out to be accurate or not, as as you
move forward, if it outperforms it by a ton or
if it doesn't. At the end of the day, you
(12:09):
got your guaranteed contract. Like, whatever it is, your baseline
is that's your baseline. So while while I will sit
there and say, yeah, you can look at it from
the comparison standpoint of this guy's contract came up at
a time where the money went up, the value went up,
and so he's asking for more money. But you're making
a choice when you when you do that contract. Every
(12:31):
single time we do a contract, you're making you know
this is this is interesting so so, But that means
you're basically saying they should never sign a twelve year
contract then, right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I mean you're taking it, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Well, look at it like this, right, If I know
I'm guaranteeing myself this throughout the duration of time that
I'm going to be in the league that some people
may like that security and and like that understanding of
where their cash is coming from and how much it
is and how I can tax it and where I
can put it and how I can invest Versus I'm
(13:06):
gonna do a two year I'm gonna do a four
year deal, five year deal, six year deal. But I
know that it's going to come up in three years
to four years. I may want to do it. It's
a choice, that's I mean, that's why I understand that.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
But I think both sides have an understanding for like
the Patrick Mahomes deal, that they're going to redo this deal.
He's gonna get compensated more. They're not going to let
him fall so far behind that he gets disgruddled, and
he's saying, I'm the best player in the league, I'm
probably going to be for the rest of my career,
and yet I'm not being compensated like that, right, Like,
that's a recipe for a disaster.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
So let me pose it this way. So let's not
pose a long term deal.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Let's just say that for example, because to your point,
like you're saying, if you're in a contract, then you
know you shouldn't, like the player in this case, should.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Have the chance to revisit it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Well, what if you're presented with a better opportunity, like
let's just say using us hype, like a new time
slot opens up and.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
They come to you and say, well.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Yeah, we want you to go this new time slot
and it's gonna be a bigger platform also their stuff.
But you're not gonna actually make any more additional money.
You're just gonna work this contract out in the meantime.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, what about that bar? What about that again? I
think it still comes down to I'm just saying, so
you're just you're gonna work. You know, you're just gonna
work out the contract that you signed.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
You have decisions that you have to make, ultimate Okay,
all right, right now, granted, since you pose it that way.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's funny bring that up. It's funny you bring it up.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
I mean, if that were to be the opportunity, I
just need to understand what are all of the opportunities
connected to making this move right like this way?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Like the person who was there, you know, before you
is probably making more, They're compensated more for all those
things and all that. So theoretically, I mean, you should
want to renegotiate and want to actually get compensated more
and do all that. But like what you're saying is
like they should just you know, they sign a contract, right,
Like you should just keep making what you're making.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Right, I would say there's a tap bit of a
difference in the sense. And this is the reason why
I would say there's a tap bit of a difference
in the comparisons. Is that one is you're taking one
and you're moving you're moving a commodity, you're moving assets
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into a different it's a totally different space.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Oh, totally different. Okay, So let me give you that's
totally different. Yeah, let me give you the totally different comparison.
That's not totally different. So Let's say you're a backup
guy gets hurt like Sam Darnold, goes in and plays
the season, plays fantastic. So if he was under a
three year deal, he just gots to play for backup
money the next two years. If he becomes the starter,
I think you have. I think there are theoretically.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's that new time slide talking about he becomes a starter. Right,
that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Oh so, so the people are backups as they are
what I'm saying that that's the example that I'm referring
to in this case for like a player, Well, that's
an edit, that's an edit peak because that's that's news
to me. If they're backups right now now, if they
are not saying the backups, because.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
That makes me a little upset. That hurts my feelings.
A little bit of talking but speaking. Here's how I
put it, LeVar.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I feel like you're you're putting your box yourself into
a corner with this.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
Maybe they should just be a little more fluid, you know.
It's it's okay.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It sounds like you don't like, you don't like the
contract negotiation thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
A Q.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm gonna shut up and let y'all take this the
rest of this segment, because now that you've put it
in those terms, I'm just I'm gonna stay away from
this conversation because I didn't learned about backups now becoming
starters and starters getting paid more money. Which you're right,
Starters should always make more money than backups. You are
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one hundred percent right. So, by the way, if that's
the case, then you should always be able to get
more out of the scenario if you go from being
a backup on the bench to being a starter in
the game.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
You know, the backup mixes in you know on the bench.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Said they ain't making money. I'm just saying they ain't
the starter.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You know what's wild if you go back ten years.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
So the twenty fifteen season, damn highest salary annually that
year in the NFL was Aaron Rodgers at twenty two
million dollars. Rock Party's trying to get sixty right now.
In a decade, the salaries for Dak Prescott's already getting
(17:48):
sixty have jumped three times what they were at ten
years ago.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
It's crazy. The NFL. Just keep doing what.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
You're doing, man, Just keep doing it, you know, just
don't Butcher this, it's a good problem. Don't don't drive
it through the iceberg.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
And that's probably why people are letting that, Like it's
the right time to let some of the equity of
your team go, right, some of the ownership with your tea.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
If you believe in iceberg is what took down the Titanic,
you know, there are those conspiracy theory.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hey, that's one of my favorites. Yeah, I mean that one.
Come on, man, was it? Who was it? JP? Morgan?
Who was it that didn't get on the boat?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
And all the other the financiers, although the bank owners
got on.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
Yeah, and then if you look at the actual like
there's like an id plate of the Titanic, it didn't
match up to the actual one. And the one they
sent out on the water was like the rickety one
that that had issues.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I guess there, I guess there was another one.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
So yeah, it's not exactly the way it was presented
to us, which is weird because it normally always is,
you know, as we found out. So yeah, it doesn't
make a lot of sense. Let's go to break well,
I mean, listen.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I'm I have to go crack some tears and wipe
my face and regathering my self and re center myself
so that we can you know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Hey, I got this show. I got something for you though.
Are check this out? Mm hmm, come on far Yeah,
here we go. Yeah, buddy timing.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, this is not a song for bench warmers.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
No, I'm on the bitch. I'm on the bitch. I'm
on the bitch. I'm on the bitch.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
I want sleep. I want sleep. I want sleep. I
want sleep. Can I get some sleep? Can I get
some sleep?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Can I get some sleep? Wake up? Look at my eyes?
Look at my eyes. Look at my eyes. They look
like they're okay, okay, okay, Mark, Okay, you got me.
Let's go. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do
it for Eddie.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Friday night is a football Friday, Football Friday.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Can I get some sleep? Going into Friday? Can I
get some sleep? Come on? Can I get some sleep?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Bet got your backup right here.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
It is.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. So
coming up next, you're going to hear from somebody that
you probably shouldn't have heard from, and that a fan
base probably doesn't want to hear from in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
That'll be yours here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (20:34):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
in we'll call it a little over fifteen minutes from
now here from the tiraq dot Com studios. Some people
have been punished in the world of football. We'll explain
who they are again a little over fifteen minutes from
now I know what you guys are thinking, and this
is going to be really difficult for you. Two who
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have you know, wrongfully judged and crit sized the quarterback
of the Cleveland Browns, Deshaun Watson. Deshaun Watson took to
social media to release his own personal hype video in
response to some of the criticism by not only you guys,
(21:17):
but also from his own owner, Jimmy Haslam, who talked
about it being a swing and a miss and acquiring
to Shawn, Let's take a listen.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
You know, the performance comes when you know your back
is against the walls. It comes better because you kind
of got to really lock in. You know, you don't
have anything pretty much to lose. And I feel like
that's why I'm at right now. You know, everyone's doubting me.
You know, everyone don't believe in me. Everyone don't think
that I can get back to where I was. But
I know and I believe the word that I put in,
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what I believe in myself, the piece that I've been
you know, channeling these last couple of months.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I know I'm gonna be way better than before.
Speaker 7 (21:58):
I got rid on the seaside side of the haven't
gotten I'm prepared, and I think before I wasn't prepared
because you know, I was kind of going with the
flow of how the world was seeing me. But you know,
when you kind of get knocked down to the ground
and you got to stand back up and walk through
the rain, because that brains out the real Another fire,
another challenge, another writ that you have it, And the
(22:19):
biggest thing is really just mental, my mentality.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
The things that I got to deal with with the
outside and not.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
Taking everything personal, like I mentioned before, taking everything and
just bring it full force and really just standing in
front of it face to face. The challenge is diversity.
Whatever comes with it is gonna come with it. But as
long as I'm doing it my way, I'm cool. I
can live with that.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And can I get somebody to work out this not
in my hamstring?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Please?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
When you get a sack, I just I.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Mean, look, he's not quite thirty. His best football could
I don't know it's best, but he could maybe get
back to where he was five six years ago. I mean,
because he's not gonna be able to really play this season,
it doesn't appear. So now you're talking about six seasons
removed from his best year, at least yards wise.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Obviously, the team wasn't very good.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
We talked about before some of that, A lot of
that those stats and production were in garbage. Now I
think twenty six of his touchdown passes were while trailing.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
And again the defense was bad.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
But I just look at it and go, He's had
nineteen starts over the past five years, Like what.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Has he been doing?
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like this whole the whole motivational quote of getting knocked down, well, dude, like,
what have you know in the past five years? Like
it took you tearing your achilles twice to have this revelation.
And furthermore, did we ever figure out how he toured
the second time they did the follow up surgery?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
No, I think we have any information on that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think Andrew Barry called it an unfortunate accident.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
I guess if you were taking your rehab the first
time around that that's seriously, Maybe you don't find yourself
on vacation dancing. Maybe you don't find yourself having an
unfortunate accident.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I just I can't imagine if you're a Browns fan
you want to hear this crap, Like, dude, stop, Like.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
My man said, I got nothing to lose.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, you got two hundred and thirty million to thirty
million reasons guaranteed to say you ain't got nothing to lose.
I mean, of course you don't have nothing to lose.
I mean say this with no money, you know what
I mean? Like, say this when you didn't have it,
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Say this when when the odds are really he said,
my back is against the wall. Yeah, I raise my hand,
I'll take that wall. Hey, get LeVar Arrington that wall.
I'll put my back up against that wall. All right,
that's a two hundred and thirty million dollar wall.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I'm sorr sorry.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
I don't have any sympathies towards this situation, Fellas, I don't.
He can listen, he can hype himself, he can hype
the people that follow him, and that's fine.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
That's entertainment.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I think this has more entertainment value than it has
anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's like promoting a fight.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I mean, Mike Tyson really had me thinking that he
might punch Jake Paul in the face. You know, you
can look at all of the hype videos you want
to look at. In the end, this man has been
so far removed from playing in football, and the few
times that he has played, he's been ineffective. The bottom
line is is he got his money and you can
(25:42):
do whatever type of act you want to do, social
media posts, hype videos, whatever it is you want to do.
All at this point, all you really want to do
is try to basically minimize minimize the damage, the damage
control of getting out of football and actually being able
(26:03):
to have a decent, normal life lifestyle with all of
your money outside of the game of football. Because I
don't think it's happening in football fellas.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
It's like he's releasing a hype comeback video when he's
at best not going to be ready to play and
come back until December. It's a bit early, like we'reber.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Too early to call your shot though.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't know, promoting a fight eight months out, you know,
probably not the best idea, Like this is all this
is is him responding to what Jimmy Hasm had to say,
Like once Jimmy Hasm put him on notice and just
call the whole thing a failure, Like this is him.
And when he says, well, you know, not caring what
people think about me as much, Well, no, that's exactly
what this is. Like he's doing some calisthenics and some
(26:51):
bandwork in the gym and he's still got a footcast on,
Like this is him.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Just got engaged too, didn't he just get engaged?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I mean life is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Moving forward, Deshaun Watson, Like, I don't want to be
all doom and gloom on the fella either.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
People make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
He's made a few more mistakes, a lot more mistakes
than many others. I mean it's a lot, there's a
lot of them alleged at least I just I would
just say if I'm Deshaun Watson and I'm his representation,
which at this point I guess his representation is like
just pay me my check, right, he needs to take
(27:29):
some of that money, and he needs to hire a
team of competent people who could actually re architect and
restructured his brand, like he needs a total brand reset.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
And and what.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
You just played, what we just listened to, that is
not that is perpetuating the narrative that he's a self
absorbed d bag. If I'm just being honest, Like again,
I don't want to come down like and be a
Debbie downer to the dude, but that that like that bro,
like come on, man, Like I don't need guys, don't
(28:06):
need to hear you saying that. I need to see
you doing something or talking about things in a way
that would make me feel as though you're understanding and
the things that you're valuing now are very very clear
to me.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
If you're going to put.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
It out there like because you didn't put it out
there for yourself, you put it out there for the
public to consume. So I'm telling you, as the public,
I want to consume this. I made some mistakes, Like
I'm hurt right now. I can't do it on the
football field, like the things that I've I'm going through
in my life where I've had to go through. Here's
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where I'm at, Here's what I'm learning, Here's here's what
I'm doing. Like, I don't even need to hear about football,
to be honest. Just tell me about you the person.
Let me learn you as the person, if that's what
you want to put out to the public, because the
football part of it it's laughable, Like right now, it's laughable.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
It really is.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
So like, take that tired act and come with something
a little bit more with substance in terms of who
you are as a person, because we're questioning you as
a football player, but we were questioning you as a
person before we even got to questioning you as a
football player.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And I think that that's the reality of it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
You know how far that money's gonna go in Thailand though,
I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Man, well, and I mean people don't probably don't care
about football, American football and Thailand.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
So I mean, he's good, he's good. You good to go.
I mean stupid, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They got tigers in Thailand, don't they? I mean, you
can afford it for you. You know, I don't know
that they got camels and mooses and andland No, they don't.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
They got bulls. They got bulls. I've never been. I'd
love to go.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I've never been either. I heard you gotta be careful
over there, though. I'd love to go see a Muay
Thai fight in Thailand. That would be dope. Go see
Tongue Po. You think he's still fighting?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Who's Tongue Po? You don't know who that is now?
Isn't he from Kickboxer? Is that a real person? He
was a character?
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Well let's say, look, DeShawn, nobody wants to hear this,
like they just don't.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
They don't want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Let's just, you know, can you get back and you know,
make something of the long term deal you got before
his NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Career is over? So, like, tell us about what really happened?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Right?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Has he ever told us what really happened? Well?
Speaker 4 (30:48):
No, but that's most likely because of the settlements. I
always wonder, Well, yeah, that's true, that's true. You kind
of got the sense And this is based on reports
from last year in the locker room, that there's something
missing there too with his teammates, like like forget the
public announcement about this, Like why didn't your teammates feel.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
This when you were there or while you were there?
Speaker 4 (31:12):
And there's elements of that too that like they needed
to hear it from you and see it from you
the most, and obviously that wasn't being the case, Like
some people felt like there was a weightlifted once he
wasn't around, once he wasn't starting.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
I mean, that's not my words.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
These reports coming from people talking to people, guys in
the locker room. So there's an element there too of
not being very aware of what was happening last season
the prior seasons in regards to how he's viewed as
a leader too. So maybe this is an opportunity for
him to reflect and try to find some of the
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things you're talking about, LeVar, or trying to figure out
the next steps. But to your point, the greater point
is like there was never really an acknowledgment.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
There's only a.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Defense of what it was, and it's like there's so
much smoke there you'd have to admit there's fire somewhere
so well.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Good luck to you.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
with you coming up next here though, we are going
to tell you.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That was a miss about swinging a miss strike.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
We are going to tell you about some people who
have been punished in the world of football and you
don't normally hear this. We'll get into that for you
right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with the ear speaking
of birthday, is gonna be Lee's birthday coming up soon?
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Lee?
Speaker 2 (32:55):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
The fourteenth of the fifteenth? It's the Titanic sink. That's good.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
It's tax ding fifteenth. Do you mean got like blown
up or have that fire that prolonged?
Speaker 1 (33:05):
All?
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Yeah, Well technically it hit the iceberg on the fourteenth
and then sink on the fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Well yeah, according to history, yeah, according.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
To to the record books, which we clearly don't, so
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your screen. They should be teeing off here momentarily round
two of the Masters at Augusta, the grouping of Cam Davis,
Raphael Campos, and Austin Eckrote. I might have mispronounced that,
(33:57):
but whatever he's going to they're all gonna be off
here coming up in the next couple of moments from now.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
The Raphael Campos is actually a great story. He had
missed like thirteen or fourteen, maybe thirteen of the first
fourteen cuts, and he was like in one hundred thousand
dollars worth a debt because I don't know if people
know this.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
The PGA tour, you don't get paid unless you win.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Now, there is this like five hundred thousand dollars net
where that goes against your earning. So let's say you
only earn one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, the PGA
too will pay up to you knowle's say its two
undred thousand, the'll pay three hundred thousand of the difference
to help out. But he was, you know, between the hotels,
the flights, the caddy fees, everything else along with it.
(34:41):
He was six figures in the debt and he actually
ended up winning a tournament in Bermuda to not only
qualify him for the Masters, but also get him out
of the debt. Pretty pretty cool stories. Awesome, Yeah, and netting.
I think the purse was one point two million, which
obviously you know, after taxes and all that. But still,
like when you talk about gamblers, you can make the
(35:02):
case golfers every time they walk out there in the
PGA store, they're gambling on themselves.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Yeah, so well, hopefully it goes well. We'll keep you
posted here again. Normally this is.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
They're not backups, they're they're starting golfers betting on themselves.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
You went down that road.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
It's a dark place.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Brouh, Yeah, that's what I hear, all right, So, uh,
dark place. So there's a I don't know the last
time we've seen this happen or the last time that
there's been this report that's come out. I don't recall
noticing this, but James Carter, Robin de Lorenzo, and Robert
(35:42):
Richison were all officials last year. They reportedly were fired,
according to Football Zebras, and they were sent back to
the college ranks. I don't know, and this could be nothing.
Maybe this is the NFL trying to show that they're
on the up and up and we're trying to be transparent.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
And I don't.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Recall outside of guys leaving to do TV jobs, whether
it be Dean Blandino or Mike Pereira, Like, I don't
recall us knowing about multiple officials being fired or being
demoted and being sent back to the college ranks. Like
do you guys recall this ever being a thing in
the NFL before, Like we'd hear retirements, we'd hear hey,
(36:24):
so and so's walking away line judge this at hockeyly
that we would never I don't recall us ever hearing
that guys are being punished and to become public knowledge
and public information like this.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Uh yeah, I can't recall this either, although I think
this is a good step for the NFL at least
in putting forth the effort to make it look like
they care about the quality of officiating. It's a meritocracy.
Should be a player, it should be nothing else. Nothing
else should play a role. If you're talking about upholding
the integrity of the game, meaning whether it's for gambling, sports,
(36:57):
gambling books, obviously, the players, the coaches, everyone else's in
in the league. You want to make sure you have
the best officials possible who are part of the league.
And if you have a group that whether it's they're
young in their career and maybe they wouldn't ready for it,
whatever the case may be, there's no reason to subject
the players in the league and all the fans out there,
(37:19):
and all the gambling, but everything else that's involved in
this to be subject to poor officiating. And it's another
reason why it's great that they're being outspoken or public
about this. I feel bad for the individuals that get demoted,
but that's life. That's how it works. You don't do
a good job. You shouldn't get the ability to stay
at the NFL level just because you made it to
(37:40):
the NFL level. There should be some sort of demotion.
There should be a meritocracy at play. The only thing
I'd say, though, to help these officials out at another
one at an eighth official or start including replay on everything.
Allow these coaches to fix some of the issues these
officials cannot see in real time. That that, to me
(38:02):
still is the number one thing that needs to be
done in the NFL in regards to officiating.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, I'm good on I'm good on it. You're not
gonna win. Hear me. You can't hear me.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, you're not gonna You're not gonna win. On the
officials being punished publicly like this, well, I.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Think I think what what needed to be said was
just said. That would be doubling down on it, So
I tend to agree with it. It should be a meritocracy.
It should be the way you handle things. It should
be based off of your performance, and if not, then
you should go on the bench. By the way, not
be a starter.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Like like the fact that it's like, hey, listen, you
guys are being punished or fire, you're going back to
the call to the college ranks, which.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Means maybe they're going to give you another opportunity.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Okay, but but now, like if you're one of those
teams and you draw one of those officials in college
next year, you're.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Like, why do we get them? They were just fired,
Why do we get them? Why are we stuck with that?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
I mean, they're they're good enough to ref your games,
just not good enough to ref the pro games.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
That's all send them to, Send them to the n
b A being prety an improvement and they fit right in.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, be grabbing, dang,
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