April 22, 2025 • 38 mins
Tennessee brings in Joey Aguilar from UCLA, virtually creating a quarterback swap, but compensation is still messy. The guys play a game of MadLibs with texts to Shannon Sharpe. Plus, the asking price for Kirk Cousins is high but somebody may pony up.
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
Welcome into Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Go
Fredy Quinn, Jonas Knox, and I am LeVar Arrington. Yeah,
we got a lot to get to an hour two
we'll be talking swapping and I don't know. Take that
however you'd like to, but that will nonetheless be the
conversation big cats moving around, and I'm not talking about
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pea cats.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm talking about Bengoled cats. Cuff up, now a cuff up?
What type of a response is that? Set up? The
show man, I don't know. Up that's your response? Who
who says that? Lee? Are you reading those text messages?
(01:27):
Is that not going to be? Is that not?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think we should, because quite frankly, I think that
is total total entertainment.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Man, cuff up, like what who says that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I don't recall ever hitting nobody with a response back
like cuff up?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What does that even mean? Okay, come on, man.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Wild times here on two Pros and a soft ass.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Here on Fox Sports Traders Hayman for So, we do
have a little bit of a swapping situation in the
world of football, a little swap.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
If you will. Nico, I my Lava. He is now
a u c l A bruin.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I'm sorry I say that again. Yeah, that was better.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
How did I say that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm I can't say it. Yeah, listen to Var said, oh, Nico,
I'm leaving.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, Lee, can you say it? I am A you are.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Don't be making no confessionals trend say this man's name.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
All right? I am? I am? I am. You off
your meds? No? Uh? Yeah, Well he's leaving. He's going
to u c l A.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And joe Yaguilar is leaving UCLA to sign with Tennessee.
So basically, I don't know if this is an official trade,
but we've got ourselves a little swap, a little uh
let's just go ahead and change up the scenery for
both parties here. So now that is the situation, and
congratulations to all involved. I hope it works out for everybody.
(03:21):
And clearly this is the plan, especially on Nico side
of things. And when they started this whole journey, I'm
sure this is how they envisioned this same landing and
ending up here. So there's your there's your update on
portal chaos and NIL and college football.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So I saw a really interesting thread from Blake Lawrence.
So people who don't know that name, he's actually the
co founder of open Doors. Open Doors is a marketplace
that's actually been around for a long time. They've worked
with some NFL teams and other brands in marketing ventures
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where they kind of put together the package oftentimes for
different leagues, working with athletes in the marketing realm. To
put it simply, so, how they've operated within the college
space is typically when you had a company that wants
to do a deal with an athlete, they would utilize
the platform on open doors. Open doors would have all
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the documentation for taxes, for compliance, everything else. They could
even upload the activation agreement or the contract, so they
have all that stuff there for him. Blake's that's super sharp, dude.
But one of the things that he kind of points
out is and might have take credit for this, but
I've had a lot of conversations with them over the years,
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and one of which was one of the frustrations. And
I've said this to you guys a bunch, there's no transparency, Okay,
So in this case, we think we know what Nico
was asking for, what he was supposed to be paid,
and what he was asking for, but it's largely just reported.
Is that fair to say to you guys, like we
(05:02):
heard two point six There isn't not the number we
all heard, and then he wanted it for and they weren't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Going to pay it, like that's what we heard.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So that's all we know, but we don't really know
what the actual numbers were. So marketplaces open doors. The
reason why they have a lot of importance is not
just from like the tax perspective and compliance perspective, because
you have eighteen to twenty four year old's majority of
the time who are now getting hit with taxes like
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they didn't realize they have to pay and they didn't
realize all this stuff goes on and there's different compliance
issues that remain eligible. So it provides all those resources,
but it also has data. If everyone's using these marketplaces
to pay out these student athletes, you then actually know
what the teams or schools, the conferences, you know what
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everyone's paying different positions. So he actually had a pretty
detailed breakdown of this whole situation, and he talks about
eventually what a quarterback is getting paid at this point,
and based on their data and some of the breakdown
that he had, the average SEC quarterback was getting paid
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somewhere in the ballpark of three million coming into this year,
a little over three million, and I think you said
the average the prior years like one point six. So
essentially the money had doubled that coming into twenty twenty five.
What teams, some teams are paying out and the number
that was previously either paid to him or was going
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to be paid was a lesser number. And he said,
that's just based on our data of all the deals
we've seen come through our marketplace. And so he basically said, look,
this whole situation was more about a player utilizing some
of the data that they had saying that I am
underpaid for what my position is and then tested to
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see if he could go get what is supposed to
be market value. Now, as we've pointed out, this whole
thing became a disaster because he ends up not at
Tennessee getting paid two point six. He ends up now
at UCLA making even less money. So now he's making
in like the ninety excuse me, like the lowest, lowest percentile.
(07:17):
And you know it's gonna be a swap where Joey
Aguilar ironically goes to Tennessee takes that opportunity to go
play for Josh Heipel. Maybe he I don't know how
much more he'll get paid. Maybe it's I don't know,
incentive lated, whatever the case is. But it's just kind
of interesting to see now some of the actual transparency
behind the scenes when you look at maybe the gripe
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that Nico and his family had, is some of what
they were saying was legitimate, Like they they felt like
they were underpaid. This is based on the market data
and research they had, and so they tried to leverage
what they could to get more. Now, this happens in
the NFL sometimes and guys don't get paid more, and
this same situation plays out. But What's what's really interesting
is we're going to get more of this because there's
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gonna be an nil clearinghouse with this house NCAA settlement.
So from now on we won't have to necessarily live
in a world where we don't know and we're just
based on whatever someone reports. We'll actually know what took
place when it's all said and done, once the House
of NCAA settlement is finalized, and as we move forward
into twenty twenty five in the future, which should should
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be helpful. I think for a lot of coaches, you know, universities, players,
their families, their agents as well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Here's what I'm curious about, and I will maybe you
had the answer to it. When we're talking about the
numbers like that two point whatever figure it is that
he's negotiating, where is that money coming from? Like when
we say this is the number for the quarterback and
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this is what he's signing for and he's talking to
Tennessee or he's talking to UCLA, where is that money
coming from? What are they signing a contract for and
where's that money coming from?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, so that money at least as we spin Ford
in a twenty twenty five it's going to be a
percentage of the revenue share that's anticipated from the house
NCAA settlement. So if you have twenty point five million,
every university has a and an idea of how they're
going to divide up that money. And based on how
much football will get let's just say it's like seventy
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five percent, whatever that number is, there will then be
a percentage of the cap, just like in the NFL. Okay,
it's very similar, and the quarterback will probably get paid
somewhere around twenty percent of whatever that salary cap is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, So coming from the school and their revshare.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, that's how, Yes, that's how most of all the
future deals are. Really we're here at now, we're venturing
in to pay for play?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
What about currently? Where is that? When that when you.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Said it would come from a collective, and it'd be
coming from essentially, especially in a fast trans action like that,
most likely a deep pocketed donor or funds that have
already been accrued from some deep pocket donors for this
very instance. Right, Like, most most people budget and allocate
X amount of dollars of what they feel like they
will need to pay, you know, for their roster. Last
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year o High State eumone kept saying twenty million. Maybe
it was more, maybe it was less, we don't know,
but that was essentially privately funded for the eighteen seventies Society,
which is their for profit venture, and you know they
then allocated funds based on whatever those players were able
to negotiate for their positional value.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
The reason why I ask, and the reason why that's
a very important piece of information to what's going on
right now is the again NIL. When NIL was created,
it was created for in my estimation, for situations like
when Terrail Prior got suspended. Torail Prior does a swap
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of sign a jersey one of his jerseys. I believe
it was a game warn Jersey to get tattoos get
suspended for it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I figured that when nil became a thing, that now
your name, image and likeness allows.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For you to go do signings.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know your name and your image and your likeness
as a value. You can represent chipole A, you can
represent McDonald's. You can make money off of you know,
your name and your image and your likeness in the
open market. I feel like the lines are so blurred
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in terms of what NIL truly represents because it's like,
if we're talking your name, image and likeness, name, image
and likeness in the pros has nothing to do with
your contract with the team. There has absolutely nothing to
do with that. Your compensation for playing on the team
is your pay for being an employee on the team.
(12:04):
So I feel like we're dancing around something here that
is very like, why are we dancing around it if
the collective is paying it? That's basically I mean, I
don't want to put it like this, but it's that's
your paycheck. That's not you using your name, image and likeness.
That's this is your paying me to be at your
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school and to play for your school. That's not me
using my name, image likeness in the market like open Doors, Uh,
that's your your A company wants to use you. You're
in the You're in the database. The database is that
you can do this appearance that a diet. It costs
you as much money. Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Open doors pays the money. Isn't that how it kind
of works? If I'm correctly in essence?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean technically you could have up up on
Game Network, though, which is really you behind the scenes
put forth whatever, and you could set up an opportunity
to you know, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like I one understand what you're saying, I one hundred.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So again, I guess the the the reason why I'm
bringing up the point that I'm bringing up is at
what point is the conversation had of compensation of a
contract to the player based upon their position and their
value versus I'm doing an nil deal. I think there's
(13:38):
a blurred line. It's confusing, it's probably confusing the narrative.
I think that's something that that honestly should begetting to
be discussed in a way where it's cleared up.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, we've been playing, we've been paying players for
pay for play, but the NCAA didn't want to call
it that, so they call it name, image and likeness.
And yes, that was the original thought for the origin
of how it all came about what the Supreme Court
ultimately ruled upon. Yet that wasn't how it was working.
(14:13):
So like again, this is being ironed out, and I
know it's been a slow process. There's craziness that's involved,
but you know, much like we've talked about with the
nico Ia Maliava situation and Joey Aguilar now swapping places
or trading places. You know, free markets kind of figure
stuff out right, Like that's that's one of the reasons
why capitalism is kind of awesome, is well, hey, look,
(14:36):
you want to go try to make more money somewhere else,
feel free? How about it? You know, we're not going
to allow you to hold us hostage before our team
playoffs or before the spring game, because we feel like
we'll be able to replace you with someone who can
do an equal or maybe even better job, or close
to it as good of a job, and we're probably
gonna pay them less, like they'll take the opportunity to
be here, and well, they're probably gonna pay them less,
(14:58):
so go find that big paycheck elsewhere they left. They
went to UCLA. It doesn't sound like he's going to
make as much as even he was going to make.
And then someone else took that opportunity. So that's kind
of how free markets work. And so as many times
as we'll see someone cash in, we'll also see the downside.
And this is one of those downside scenarios.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I just think because the narrative is so confused and
so blurred, we get we get the universities being in
a compromised position, and we also get the players being
in compromised positions. Like this Nico situation. To me, shed
it's light on something that you're like. For instance, he
goes to UCLA, he gets a lower number. Everybody's like, ah,
(15:41):
he went there, he got a lower number. Yeah, but
that's before he does any like California. While he'll get
taxed more for the money that he's going to make,
there's way more opportunity for him to make money. He's
from here for one, and for two, Like, there's a
ton of companies that name image.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And the kid Chase that played for for U C.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
L A. I don't even think he ever even started.
He's making a ton of money on in N I
L deals. So that's not to say that firm. Oh
that's confirmed, that's confirmed. Ah man, let me find this
Chase Griffin. Is that the backup quarterback Chase His name
Chase Griffin, number number eleven. I mean that sounds that
(16:28):
sounds pretty pretty pretty accurate. Chase Griffin.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Look, I'm not going to challenge that or whatever. If
that's how you feel about it, I would argue, I
would argue that in no world will he make more
money at u c.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
L A.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
He won't make more from the team. I don't think
even being in a bigger market, he'll make more because
you're in competition with three other teams.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
More money as in not not just the money that
is being reported, not more as in he's going to
make five million dollars. I'm just saying more money on
top of what he's going to make and.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
From what he's being No chance in hell, I mean
there's there's I'll give you three reasons or a few
reasons why. The first is like competition. UCLA is not
the bread winning college football team in that town. No,
it's USC, So if anything happens, it will go to
USC over UCLA. That's the first thing. The secondest competition
for any of those deals, I mean, you're working you're
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working against two football teams with the Chargers and the Rams.
You're obviously working against another team at your own level
in college football. You're working against two NBA teams professional
teams as well. So if you're if you're any of
those marketing you know, companies or brands, and you're looking like, yeah,
you're not gonna get Kawhi Leonard. You might get another
player off of the Clippers, you know, for a more
(17:41):
comfarable deal. I mean, you're looking at other people as
compared to a Niko Yumaliava. And then the last thing
I'll just say is like success if he goes there,
and whether he starts or not. But if they struggle.
I mean, it's it's like, are you really going to
advertise with that? I mean, is that really what you
want to associate your brand with. I mean, meanwhile, in Tennessee,
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you're in Knoxville, so you're not directly in Nashville, like
in the same city having to compete with the Titans
or any other professional sports team. It's its own deal.
It's the only thing there. Like and by the way,
that's an awesome it's a big school. It's an awesome
college town. There's plenty of money there too. It's one
of the reasons why they're I think Spier Sports, if
(18:22):
I'm not mistaken, is one of the most aggressive of
all the collectives in Aisles.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They've done a.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Really good job of pumping up things within the stadium
one hundred thousand plus, you know, to help out promote
different different deals that are going on. So I just
financially this isn't a great decision for him, but that
doesn't mean it's not going to work out in the end,
being closer to home and everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I just I think that the idea of it is
the lines are blurred and regardless if he's if he's
able to do more, if he's not able to do more,
what the market represents, what it doesn't represent, The lines
are blurred, and there should be an understand of this
is your paycheck as a player, and that people need
(19:05):
to get used to understanding that these are employees. Where
we're at now, you got to get away from saying
student athlete. Yes, they're still students, and that should be
very very much so still a point of emphasis because
if you don't have the grades, you don't have the
ability to get paid anyway. That should be a point
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of emphasis. But we have to get away from saying
this is nil because it's still two different conversations. It's
two different topics. If I'm monetizing my name and my
image and my likeness, that is very different than what
my compensation that I would want as a player to
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go play for the university that I'm going to play
for It's two different conversations. And to me, that confusion,
that confusion confuses a lot of things, and you can't
get understanding if something is laying in confusion.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's a confused state.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
If you ask me, it is two pros and a
soft ass here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know what happened there? He got sensitive the rest
of the show.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Stop you're still doing it? You are?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Why why can't we can't have a theme throughout the
course of the show.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
If you want to, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean I got sensitive yesterday. It's just a sensitive one.
And by the way, sensitive, why does it mean that
I'm the soft ass? You are a soft ass?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's actually a valid question.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Hard as you know. I mean, I don't think like people.
Maybe we have to ask Shannon.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
People are super boy, Well you cuugh off and then
we'll talk.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'm sorry of what.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What gotta see? Those text mess I read that, I
know I read them. I'm to give you. Can we
can we read when we come back? Can we please
do that?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And Loraina Cay, we're challenging you to have the proper
music to go with this segment.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Can we do this? Can we do this? Can we
all get one text message to read it? But we
have to do our ad libs like I talked about,
to make sure we can actually sit on air. Yes,
you you're responsible for testing us, sending out what what
text message each one of us.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Has to read?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Can you get that done before we get back from Brakeley?
Are you capable of doing that? Put that in the spreadsheet? Lee?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Come on, Lee?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
All right, well, this could go no, I cannot get
you those text messages for you guys to read the point.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
This could go sideways in a hurry, but we will
attempt to do something.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh bad.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
All right, well, I think that's coming up next here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm glad to be done.
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With you come it, hub, Oh man, this is so bad.
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Speaker 2 (23:28):
All Right, does everybody have the script? Did everybody get that?
I need more context?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Who am I in this? Hold on? Hold on? What second? Pause?
Who am I? In this. Am I am I a man?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Or?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Am I the woman? I feel like I'm the woman? Here?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is that they're all They're all from the world, They're
all from her. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right now yeah,
there you go. All right, Okay, there we go, freakingly,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
She is a freak bro. Why do I come? Come on?
Kick it off, Jonas, let's go as.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
So I've got to read this exactly the way Lee
wrote it.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That is how the text message is. You just have
to fill in the blanks like an ad lib.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
All right, mhm, come on, Jonas, all right, I'll try
and keep it sports related.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I want to put my puck in your net and
then marry you. Well well done, well done, joh. Pressure
is on now?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Do we have to I guess do we have to
like stay with sports that are currently going on right now?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
No, there's lots to choose from. If you want to
do cricket or badminton. I feel like you could get
right on the edge of golf. Sure could.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, all right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Only if you put that gap wedge.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
In me, then you can do whatever you want to make.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Dang. Uh, let's see.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Uh, you better crave it because you're going to be
stuck with it for life after you put that big.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Wooden bat in me. Do you have one? Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
No, his is aluminum.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Not that I want to switch it up and do
it again. Let's do it again, laughing, I keep going.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
It's still laughing matter. By the way, these are the
text messages that were released.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you not have a text message? I don't have one. No, No,
there was more than three.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh, there was definitely way more than three.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
You're playing it, say, can you explain to the audience
briefly that may be a little confused why we're reading.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, these are texts that were sent from Gabrielle Zuniga
alleging that you what Gabriella Zuniga. She has sued Santon
Sharp for he released her name. Yeah, oh yeah, he
released her name. Oh geez, he released her name. Well
the lawsuit, yeah, her name is public. Oh well. Some
(26:53):
referred to her as dough and some of the reports
I've seen, depending on the state you're in, you have
to keep keep protect the identity of the accuser, or
you have to release your name. Actually, depending on what
the accusation.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I thought, what I read Shannon Sharp released her name
because he released the messages that were going back and
forth and their.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Entire Sharpe has released these text messages from.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And apparently, as Jonas is doing, falling Victim to everybody
and their mama started googling the name. And that's not
like she the lady. There's a lady on Instagram from
from Canaday's. She's been pleading for people to leave her
alone because she is not the person that is a
(27:41):
part of this this accusation.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Oh you know who that used to happen to, you know,
the bodybuilder Jay Cutler. So whenever Jay Cutler had a
bad game, Bears fans would light them up on their bodybuilders.
And Jay Cutler is like one of the all times
great bodybuilders.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It's not me, mister Olympia. That's crazy, not me. So
sometimes you get the get caught up, you know, all right, well,
well there you go.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I mean the Ravens, great broadcasters, Jerry Sandusty, Jerry Sands.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Whoah yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I gotta say, if you're suing for fifty million dollars,
what type of information do you believe you have, and
if it's based upon the the R word, if it's
based upon the R word, and you're throwing I want
fifty million dollars while saying that this is you, You've
(28:41):
our worded me to me, there's gotta be there's gotta
be repercussions and consequences. If Shannon Sharp were to decide
to fight it and he wins, Like if this is
like you're trying, if he's basically saying he's being shook
down in this scenario and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's extortion, well, what are the what's the extortion?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like, what what does she have on you that's worth
her saying I want fifty million dollars from you? Like,
to me, that is first of all, that's that's a
ton of money like that lady.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know her, but I'm pretty.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Sure I could safely say she's probably not going to
generate fifty million dollars possibly in her lifetime. So you're
going after fifty million dollars of compensation based off of what?
What are you basing that value off of? That to
me is kind of like the damages the what like
(29:42):
what are you basing that off of? I don't know, man,
And if you're throwing it at him that way with
Buzzby as you're who is known for shaking down people,
you know in the industry. What do what do they
have on him? Information?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Why? Like way Buzzby's built up quite.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
A roster of Oh he's I mean, he's a paper chaser,
he's the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Now he's a paper chaser man.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But but it's all about getting people to settle, right,
Like the whole his whole hustle is, Oh you got
one of these dudes. They treated you this way, Okay,
they did this. Oh yeah, you got a case. You
got a case. So let's we can get a settlement.
We'll get you go for fifty, you'll get ten fifteen
If that's the case. What is it that you have
(30:34):
over this man that could come out where they would
settle for an undisclosed amount of money, however much that is,
but just settled it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
What do you got on this dude? Man? That would
be my next question. It's ah, and who's next?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Because you know, every time one comes out and does it,
somebody else comes after. So is this the start of something?
It's a world. I have no knowledge and I don't
want to. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's some cats got some weird, weird things they be
doing in their private time. Man, that's all I say them.
Text messages sound crazy? Brouh, cuff up? What that's your response?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Lead what? Lee? I would just yes, I would, I would,
just I would. I would put this on your highlight
film of like.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Oh, anybody want to question my producing skills? I got
one for you. Come me go ahead and write a
script based on text messages that were leaked and sent
to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Unbelievable. Oh well, all right, everybody.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
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Speaker 1 (32:14):
I just didn't need to be any of your big
brothers growing up. That's if I was your big brother
growing up, you would have been you know, it would
have been bad for you. Your logic, your habits would
have been your habits, your work ethic would have been good.
But but the way you see the world might have
been thrown off a little bit.
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So there you go, Hi, everybody. I'll never look at
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Radio and the iHeartRadio app and it will always pop
up at the top of your screen. So Kirk Cousins
is still a member of the Atlanta Falcons. We're coming
up on the year anniversary of listening to lebar on
Draft night coverage with Jay Glazer and Jay throwing out
the possibility of the Falcons drafting Michael Pennix and the
loan behold, that's what happened. The year did not go
(33:40):
well for Kirk Cousins. He got banged up, he was
bench later on, and so now the Atlanta Falcons still
have him. And according to Adam Schefter, the Falcons have
talked to teams about Kirk Cousins, but the asking price
has been too much. They want teams to pay twenty
million of the forty five million Cousins has in guarantees
left on his ca On tract, So that would explain
(34:02):
why he's still in Atlanta. He is said to Arthur
bespoke to Arthur Blank he would like the opportunity to
go elsewhere. They picked up his ten million dollar bonus,
but unless the team as of right now is willing
to pick up reportedly twenty million of the forty five
and guarantees, the Falcons aren't willing to offload him.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Would y'all do it?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Would you pay the twenty million on top of whatever
it is you're going to have to do contractually speaking.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Well, I don't think you'll have to do anything contractually speaking.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You just take over to contract, you paid it to.
You guarantee a twenty million. Well they're splitting right. He's
guaranteed forty five, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
But what I'm saying is is that if you were
to take him, you only have to pay him.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, I'd do it. It depends who you are, Right,
if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, Roger retires, you don't get
the quarterback you want. The draft now it makes a
lot more sense. You know, maybe the Cleveland Browns, depending
on how they're viewing the draft, and you're sitting at
number two, you can take a quarterback. But you know
(35:07):
they've got Kenny Pickett, they've got Joe Flacco. They might
feel good about where they're at. So it's a hard
question to answer because I felt like Kirk Cousins didn't
look healthy. He had alluded to that when he came
out and talked about the struggles of last year and
trying to play through some of that. So there is
(35:28):
an element of this of Okay, he's getting older, he
was dealing with some injuries, play wasn't quite as good,
but he's been pretty consistent. I feel like you know
what you're getting, So I would lean towards if you're
a team that needs one, Yeah, I would probably pay
the twenty million in order to have him be my
starting quarterback for this year. But I'm not looking at
(35:49):
this as a long term thing. I need to have
someone who's in the waiting, you know, waiting in the wings,
and is able to learn from him. And I'm sure
Michael Pennox was able to gather a lot from being
around Kirk Cousins and how he prepares and you know,
how he gets ready week in and week out, so
to make himself better and prepare for his opponent. There's
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a lot of value in that that you can't you
can't coach, you can't figure out nless you've got a
guy in the room who's able to demonstrate that, so
that there is there's a lot of value in that
for a guy that you're paying twenty million dollars for,
but also the other effects it has on some of
the other players in particular that you bring him that
quarterback room.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
The Steelers need a starter and the Saints might need
a starter. They're not trading him in the division. If
to your point, Rogers does retirement, well, I mean, if they're.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Trading Himawon Barkley can go to the same team.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well he signed, Yeah, I mean, but I just I
look at it.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I go, there's really one spot where they need a starter,
and it's Pittsburgh. And so if Rogers does walk away,
if I'm the Steelers and I can add Kirk and
it costs me twenty million dollars and I'm not able
to get the quarterback I want in the draft, they
kind of don't have much of a choice. Like they've
They've parted ways with Russell Wilson, they parted ways with
(37:12):
Justin Fields. They added Mason Rudolph and that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So if they're hoping, they're hoping that their quarterback is
there in the draft that to pick they're at or
close enough where they can make a move, That's what
I think. As far as these other teams, I mean,
there are teams that could use his services. And just
to think at twenty million, if you're saying twenty million
(37:38):
is too high. I mean, do you do you look
at the you know, the risk reward of Kirk Cousins
coming into your team at at a twenty million dollar figure,
especially if you heard Aaron Rodgers out there saying, I'll
do it for the ten ms. Yeah that's half, that's
only half.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, like and Cousins, you know, like it's gonna cost
you twenty ms.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So I mean, if that's steep, that's I guess that's steep.
But I don't feel like for Kirk Cousins, he might
still have the yips. You know, he's got to be
healthier than what he was another year removed.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I think it's a it's a risk, but I think
you it's a boombust proposition. So I would do it.
I would do it for twenty for twenty twenty ms.
I'd do it. If I needed a QB, I do it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Better. I have them, yep,
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Welcome into Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Go
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we got a lot to get to an hour two
we'll be talking swapping and I don't know. Take that
however you'd like to, but that will nonetheless be the
conversation big cats moving around, and I'm not talking about
(01:03):
pea cats.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm talking about Bengoled cats. Cuff up, now a cuff up?
What type of a response is that? Set up? The
show man, I don't know. Up that's your response? Who
who says that? Lee? Are you reading those text messages?
(01:27):
Is that not going to be? Is that not?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I think we should, because quite frankly, I think that
is total total entertainment.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Man, cuff up, like what who says that?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
I don't recall ever hitting nobody with a response back
like cuff up?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Like what?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What does that even mean? Okay, come on, man.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Wild times here on two Pros and a soft ass.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
Here on Fox Sports Traders Hayman for So, we do
have a little bit of a swapping situation in the
world of football, a little swap.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
If you will. Nico, I my Lava. He is now
a u c l A bruin.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I'm sorry I say that again. Yeah, that was better.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
How did I say that?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I'm I can't say it. Yeah, listen to Var said, oh, Nico,
I'm leaving.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, Lee, can you say it? I am A you are.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Don't be making no confessionals trend say this man's name.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
All right? I am? I am? I am. You off
your meds? No? Uh? Yeah, Well he's leaving. He's going
to u c l A.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
And joe Yaguilar is leaving UCLA to sign with Tennessee.
So basically, I don't know if this is an official trade,
but we've got ourselves a little swap, a little uh
let's just go ahead and change up the scenery for
both parties here. So now that is the situation, and
congratulations to all involved. I hope it works out for everybody.
(03:21):
And clearly this is the plan, especially on Nico side
of things. And when they started this whole journey, I'm
sure this is how they envisioned this same landing and
ending up here. So there's your there's your update on
portal chaos and NIL and college football.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
So I saw a really interesting thread from Blake Lawrence.
So people who don't know that name, he's actually the
co founder of open Doors. Open Doors is a marketplace
that's actually been around for a long time. They've worked
with some NFL teams and other brands in marketing ventures
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where they kind of put together the package oftentimes for
different leagues, working with athletes in the marketing realm. To
put it simply, so, how they've operated within the college
space is typically when you had a company that wants
to do a deal with an athlete, they would utilize
the platform on open doors. Open doors would have all
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the documentation for taxes, for compliance, everything else. They could
even upload the activation agreement or the contract, so they
have all that stuff there for him. Blake's that's super sharp, dude.
But one of the things that he kind of points
out is and might have take credit for this, but
I've had a lot of conversations with them over the years,
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and one of which was one of the frustrations. And
I've said this to you guys a bunch, there's no transparency, Okay,
So in this case, we think we know what Nico
was asking for, what he was supposed to be paid,
and what he was asking for, but it's largely just reported.
Is that fair to say to you guys, like we
(05:02):
heard two point six There isn't not the number we
all heard, and then he wanted it for and they weren't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Going to pay it, like that's what we heard.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
So that's all we know, but we don't really know
what the actual numbers were. So marketplaces open doors. The
reason why they have a lot of importance is not
just from like the tax perspective and compliance perspective, because
you have eighteen to twenty four year old's majority of
the time who are now getting hit with taxes like
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they didn't realize they have to pay and they didn't
realize all this stuff goes on and there's different compliance
issues that remain eligible. So it provides all those resources,
but it also has data. If everyone's using these marketplaces
to pay out these student athletes, you then actually know
what the teams or schools, the conferences, you know what
(05:51):
everyone's paying different positions. So he actually had a pretty
detailed breakdown of this whole situation, and he talks about
eventually what a quarterback is getting paid at this point,
and based on their data and some of the breakdown
that he had, the average SEC quarterback was getting paid
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somewhere in the ballpark of three million coming into this year,
a little over three million, and I think you said
the average the prior years like one point six. So
essentially the money had doubled that coming into twenty twenty five.
What teams, some teams are paying out and the number
that was previously either paid to him or was going
(06:34):
to be paid was a lesser number. And he said,
that's just based on our data of all the deals
we've seen come through our marketplace. And so he basically said, look,
this whole situation was more about a player utilizing some
of the data that they had saying that I am
underpaid for what my position is and then tested to
(06:57):
see if he could go get what is supposed to
be market value. Now, as we've pointed out, this whole
thing became a disaster because he ends up not at
Tennessee getting paid two point six. He ends up now
at UCLA making even less money. So now he's making
in like the ninety excuse me, like the lowest, lowest percentile.
(07:17):
And you know it's gonna be a swap where Joey
Aguilar ironically goes to Tennessee takes that opportunity to go
play for Josh Heipel. Maybe he I don't know how
much more he'll get paid. Maybe it's I don't know,
incentive lated, whatever the case is. But it's just kind
of interesting to see now some of the actual transparency
behind the scenes when you look at maybe the gripe
(07:38):
that Nico and his family had, is some of what
they were saying was legitimate, Like they they felt like
they were underpaid. This is based on the market data
and research they had, and so they tried to leverage
what they could to get more. Now, this happens in
the NFL sometimes and guys don't get paid more, and
this same situation plays out. But What's what's really interesting
is we're going to get more of this because there's
(08:00):
gonna be an nil clearinghouse with this house NCAA settlement.
So from now on we won't have to necessarily live
in a world where we don't know and we're just
based on whatever someone reports. We'll actually know what took
place when it's all said and done, once the House
of NCAA settlement is finalized, and as we move forward
into twenty twenty five in the future, which should should
(08:23):
be helpful. I think for a lot of coaches, you know, universities, players,
their families, their agents as well.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Here's what I'm curious about, and I will maybe you
had the answer to it. When we're talking about the
numbers like that two point whatever figure it is that
he's negotiating, where is that money coming from? Like when
we say this is the number for the quarterback and
(08:54):
this is what he's signing for and he's talking to
Tennessee or he's talking to UCLA, where is that money
coming from? What are they signing a contract for and
where's that money coming from?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, so that money at least as we spin Ford
in a twenty twenty five it's going to be a
percentage of the revenue share that's anticipated from the house
NCAA settlement. So if you have twenty point five million,
every university has a and an idea of how they're
going to divide up that money. And based on how
much football will get let's just say it's like seventy
(09:25):
five percent, whatever that number is, there will then be
a percentage of the cap, just like in the NFL. Okay,
it's very similar, and the quarterback will probably get paid
somewhere around twenty percent of whatever that salary cap is.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, So coming from the school and their revshare.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, that's how, Yes, that's how most of all the
future deals are. Really we're here at now, we're venturing
in to pay for play?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
What about currently? Where is that? When that when you.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Said it would come from a collective, and it'd be
coming from essentially, especially in a fast trans action like that,
most likely a deep pocketed donor or funds that have
already been accrued from some deep pocket donors for this
very instance. Right, Like, most most people budget and allocate
X amount of dollars of what they feel like they
will need to pay, you know, for their roster. Last
(10:16):
year o High State eumone kept saying twenty million. Maybe
it was more, maybe it was less, we don't know,
but that was essentially privately funded for the eighteen seventies Society,
which is their for profit venture, and you know they
then allocated funds based on whatever those players were able
to negotiate for their positional value.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
The reason why I ask, and the reason why that's
a very important piece of information to what's going on
right now is the again NIL. When NIL was created,
it was created for in my estimation, for situations like
when Terrail Prior got suspended. Torail Prior does a swap
(10:59):
of sign a jersey one of his jerseys. I believe
it was a game warn Jersey to get tattoos get
suspended for it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I figured that when nil became a thing, that now
your name, image and likeness allows.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
For you to go do signings.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know your name and your image and your likeness
as a value. You can represent chipole A, you can
represent McDonald's. You can make money off of you know,
your name and your image and your likeness in the
open market. I feel like the lines are so blurred
(11:40):
in terms of what NIL truly represents because it's like,
if we're talking your name, image and likeness, name, image
and likeness in the pros has nothing to do with
your contract with the team. There has absolutely nothing to
do with that. Your compensation for playing on the team
is your pay for being an employee on the team.
(12:04):
So I feel like we're dancing around something here that
is very like, why are we dancing around it if
the collective is paying it? That's basically I mean, I
don't want to put it like this, but it's that's
your paycheck. That's not you using your name, image and likeness.
That's this is your paying me to be at your
(12:25):
school and to play for your school. That's not me
using my name, image likeness in the market like open Doors, Uh,
that's your your A company wants to use you. You're
in the You're in the database. The database is that
you can do this appearance that a diet. It costs
you as much money. Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You do it?
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Open doors pays the money. Isn't that how it kind
of works? If I'm correctly in essence?
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, I mean technically you could have up up on
Game Network, though, which is really you behind the scenes
put forth whatever, and you could set up an opportunity
to you know, do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Like I one understand what you're saying, I one hundred.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So again, I guess the the the reason why I'm
bringing up the point that I'm bringing up is at
what point is the conversation had of compensation of a
contract to the player based upon their position and their
value versus I'm doing an nil deal. I think there's
(13:38):
a blurred line. It's confusing, it's probably confusing the narrative.
I think that's something that that honestly should begetting to
be discussed in a way where it's cleared up.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
You know, we've been playing, we've been paying players for
pay for play, but the NCAA didn't want to call
it that, so they call it name, image and likeness.
And yes, that was the original thought for the origin
of how it all came about what the Supreme Court
ultimately ruled upon. Yet that wasn't how it was working.
(14:13):
So like again, this is being ironed out, and I
know it's been a slow process. There's craziness that's involved,
but you know, much like we've talked about with the
nico Ia Maliava situation and Joey Aguilar now swapping places
or trading places. You know, free markets kind of figure
stuff out right, Like that's that's one of the reasons
why capitalism is kind of awesome, is well, hey, look,
(14:36):
you want to go try to make more money somewhere else,
feel free? How about it? You know, we're not going
to allow you to hold us hostage before our team
playoffs or before the spring game, because we feel like
we'll be able to replace you with someone who can
do an equal or maybe even better job, or close
to it as good of a job, and we're probably
gonna pay them less, like they'll take the opportunity to
be here, and well, they're probably gonna pay them less,
(14:58):
so go find that big paycheck elsewhere they left. They
went to UCLA. It doesn't sound like he's going to
make as much as even he was going to make.
And then someone else took that opportunity. So that's kind
of how free markets work. And so as many times
as we'll see someone cash in, we'll also see the downside.
And this is one of those downside scenarios.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
I just think because the narrative is so confused and
so blurred, we get we get the universities being in
a compromised position, and we also get the players being
in compromised positions. Like this Nico situation. To me, shed
it's light on something that you're like. For instance, he
goes to UCLA, he gets a lower number. Everybody's like, ah,
(15:41):
he went there, he got a lower number. Yeah, but
that's before he does any like California. While he'll get
taxed more for the money that he's going to make,
there's way more opportunity for him to make money. He's
from here for one, and for two, Like, there's a
ton of companies that name image.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And the kid Chase that played for for U C.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
L A. I don't even think he ever even started.
He's making a ton of money on in N I
L deals. So that's not to say that firm. Oh
that's confirmed, that's confirmed. Ah man, let me find this
Chase Griffin. Is that the backup quarterback Chase His name
Chase Griffin, number number eleven. I mean that sounds that
(16:28):
sounds pretty pretty pretty accurate. Chase Griffin.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Look, I'm not going to challenge that or whatever. If
that's how you feel about it, I would argue, I
would argue that in no world will he make more
money at u c.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
L A.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
He won't make more from the team. I don't think
even being in a bigger market, he'll make more because
you're in competition with three other teams.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
More money as in not not just the money that
is being reported, not more as in he's going to
make five million dollars. I'm just saying more money on
top of what he's going to make and.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
From what he's being No chance in hell, I mean
there's there's I'll give you three reasons or a few
reasons why. The first is like competition. UCLA is not
the bread winning college football team in that town. No,
it's USC, So if anything happens, it will go to
USC over UCLA. That's the first thing. The secondest competition
for any of those deals, I mean, you're working you're
(17:20):
working against two football teams with the Chargers and the Rams.
You're obviously working against another team at your own level
in college football. You're working against two NBA teams professional
teams as well. So if you're if you're any of
those marketing you know, companies or brands, and you're looking like, yeah,
you're not gonna get Kawhi Leonard. You might get another
player off of the Clippers, you know, for a more
(17:41):
comfarable deal. I mean, you're looking at other people as
compared to a Niko Yumaliava. And then the last thing
I'll just say is like success if he goes there,
and whether he starts or not. But if they struggle.
I mean, it's it's like, are you really going to
advertise with that? I mean, is that really what you
want to associate your brand with. I mean, meanwhile, in Tennessee,
(18:01):
you're in Knoxville, so you're not directly in Nashville, like
in the same city having to compete with the Titans
or any other professional sports team. It's its own deal.
It's the only thing there. Like and by the way,
that's an awesome it's a big school. It's an awesome
college town. There's plenty of money there too. It's one
of the reasons why they're I think Spier Sports, if
(18:22):
I'm not mistaken, is one of the most aggressive of
all the collectives in Aisles.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
They've done a.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Really good job of pumping up things within the stadium
one hundred thousand plus, you know, to help out promote
different different deals that are going on. So I just
financially this isn't a great decision for him, but that
doesn't mean it's not going to work out in the end,
being closer to home and everything else.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I just I think that the idea of it is
the lines are blurred and regardless if he's if he's
able to do more, if he's not able to do more,
what the market represents, what it doesn't represent, The lines
are blurred, and there should be an understand of this
is your paycheck as a player, and that people need
(19:05):
to get used to understanding that these are employees. Where
we're at now, you got to get away from saying
student athlete. Yes, they're still students, and that should be
very very much so still a point of emphasis because
if you don't have the grades, you don't have the
ability to get paid anyway. That should be a point
(19:26):
of emphasis. But we have to get away from saying
this is nil because it's still two different conversations. It's
two different topics. If I'm monetizing my name and my
image and my likeness, that is very different than what
my compensation that I would want as a player to
(19:46):
go play for the university that I'm going to play
for It's two different conversations. And to me, that confusion,
that confusion confuses a lot of things, and you can't
get understanding if something is laying in confusion.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's a confused state.
Speaker 5 (20:01):
If you ask me, it is two pros and a
soft ass here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
You know what happened there? He got sensitive the rest
of the show.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Stop you're still doing it? You are?
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Why why can't we can't have a theme throughout the
course of the show.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
If you want to, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I mean I got sensitive yesterday. It's just a sensitive one.
And by the way, sensitive, why does it mean that
I'm the soft ass? You are a soft ass?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
That's actually a valid question.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Hard as you know. I mean, I don't think like people.
Maybe we have to ask Shannon.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
People are super boy, Well you cuugh off and then
we'll talk.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
I'm sorry of what.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
What gotta see? Those text mess I read that, I
know I read them. I'm to give you. Can we
can we read when we come back? Can we please
do that?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
And Loraina Cay, we're challenging you to have the proper
music to go with this segment.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Can we do this? Can we do this? Can we
all get one text message to read it? But we
have to do our ad libs like I talked about,
to make sure we can actually sit on air. Yes,
you you're responsible for testing us, sending out what what
text message each one of us.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Has to read?
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Can you get that done before we get back from Brakeley?
Are you capable of doing that? Put that in the spreadsheet? Lee?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Come on, Lee?
Speaker 5 (21:35):
All right, well, this could go no, I cannot get
you those text messages for you guys to read the point.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Listen.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
This could go sideways in a hurry, but we will
attempt to do something.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Oh bad.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
All right, well, I think that's coming up next here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'm glad to be done.
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With you come it, hub, Oh man, this is so bad.
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Speaker 5 (22:23):
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Speaker 2 (23:28):
All Right, does everybody have the script? Did everybody get that?
I need more context?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Who am I in this? Hold on? Hold on? What second? Pause?
Who am I? In this. Am I am I a man?
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Or?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Am I the woman? I feel like I'm the woman? Here?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Is that they're all They're all from the world, They're
all from her. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, all right now yeah,
there you go. All right, Okay, there we go, freakingly,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
She is a freak bro. Why do I come? Come on?
Kick it off, Jonas, let's go as.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
So I've got to read this exactly the way Lee
wrote it.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
That is how the text message is. You just have
to fill in the blanks like an ad lib.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
All right, mhm, come on, Jonas, all right, I'll try
and keep it sports related.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I want to put my puck in your net and
then marry you. Well well done, well done, joh. Pressure
is on now?
Speaker 6 (24:52):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Do we have to I guess do we have to
like stay with sports that are currently going on right now?
Speaker 2 (24:57):
No, there's lots to choose from. If you want to
do cricket or badminton. I feel like you could get
right on the edge of golf. Sure could.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Yeah, all right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Only if you put that gap wedge.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
In me, then you can do whatever you want to make.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Dang. Uh, let's see.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Uh, you better crave it because you're going to be
stuck with it for life after you put that big.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Wooden bat in me. Do you have one? Oh?
Speaker 5 (25:51):
No, his is aluminum.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Not that I want to switch it up and do
it again. Let's do it again, laughing, I keep going.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
It's still laughing matter. By the way, these are the
text messages that were released.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you not have a text message? I don't have one. No, No,
there was more than three.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
Oh, there was definitely way more than three.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
You're playing it, say, can you explain to the audience
briefly that may be a little confused why we're reading.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, these are texts that were sent from Gabrielle Zuniga
alleging that you what Gabriella Zuniga. She has sued Santon
Sharp for he released her name. Yeah, oh yeah, he
released her name. Oh geez, he released her name. Well
the lawsuit, yeah, her name is public. Oh well. Some
(26:53):
referred to her as dough and some of the reports
I've seen, depending on the state you're in, you have
to keep keep protect the identity of the accuser, or
you have to release your name. Actually, depending on what
the accusation.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I thought, what I read Shannon Sharp released her name
because he released the messages that were going back and
forth and their.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Entire Sharpe has released these text messages from.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
And apparently, as Jonas is doing, falling Victim to everybody
and their mama started googling the name. And that's not
like she the lady. There's a lady on Instagram from
from Canaday's. She's been pleading for people to leave her
alone because she is not the person that is a
(27:41):
part of this this accusation.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Oh you know who that used to happen to, you know,
the bodybuilder Jay Cutler. So whenever Jay Cutler had a
bad game, Bears fans would light them up on their bodybuilders.
And Jay Cutler is like one of the all times
great bodybuilders.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
It's not me, mister Olympia. That's crazy, not me. So
sometimes you get the get caught up, you know, all right, well,
well there you go.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
I mean the Ravens, great broadcasters, Jerry Sandusty, Jerry Sands.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Whoah yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I gotta say, if you're suing for fifty million dollars,
what type of information do you believe you have, and
if it's based upon the the R word, if it's
based upon the R word, and you're throwing I want
fifty million dollars while saying that this is you, You've
(28:41):
our worded me to me, there's gotta be there's gotta
be repercussions and consequences. If Shannon Sharp were to decide
to fight it and he wins, Like if this is
like you're trying, if he's basically saying he's being shook
down in this scenario and.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's extortion, well, what are the what's the extortion?
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Like, what what does she have on you that's worth
her saying I want fifty million dollars from you? Like,
to me, that is first of all, that's that's a
ton of money like that lady.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I don't know her, but I'm pretty.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Sure I could safely say she's probably not going to
generate fifty million dollars possibly in her lifetime. So you're
going after fifty million dollars of compensation based off of what?
What are you basing that value off of? That to
me is kind of like the damages the what like
(29:42):
what are you basing that off of? I don't know, man,
And if you're throwing it at him that way with
Buzzby as you're who is known for shaking down people,
you know in the industry. What do what do they
have on him? Information?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Why? Like way Buzzby's built up quite.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
A roster of Oh he's I mean, he's a paper chaser,
he's the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Now he's a paper chaser man.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
But but it's all about getting people to settle, right,
Like the whole his whole hustle is, Oh you got
one of these dudes. They treated you this way, Okay,
they did this. Oh yeah, you got a case. You
got a case. So let's we can get a settlement.
We'll get you go for fifty, you'll get ten fifteen
If that's the case. What is it that you have
(30:34):
over this man that could come out where they would
settle for an undisclosed amount of money, however much that is,
but just settled it.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
What do you got on this dude? Man? That would
be my next question. It's ah, and who's next?
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Because you know, every time one comes out and does it,
somebody else comes after. So is this the start of something?
It's a world. I have no knowledge and I don't
want to. I don't get it. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
There's some cats got some weird, weird things they be
doing in their private time. Man, that's all I say them.
Text messages sound crazy? Brouh, cuff up? What that's your response?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Lead what? Lee? I would just yes, I would, I would,
just I would. I would put this on your highlight
film of like.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Oh, anybody want to question my producing skills? I got
one for you. Come me go ahead and write a
script based on text messages that were leaked and sent
to Shannon Sharp.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Unbelievable. Oh well, all right, everybody.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
All right, Well listen, it is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you. Coming up next here though,
we are going to tell you about somebody in the
NFL who's getting a little bit greedy but rightful.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So that's yours here at FSR.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
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Speaker 1 (32:14):
I just didn't need to be any of your big
brothers growing up. That's if I was your big brother
growing up, you would have been you know, it would
have been bad for you. Your logic, your habits would
have been your habits, your work ethic would have been good.
But but the way you see the world might have
been thrown off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
So there you go, Hi, everybody. I'll never look at
a cup the same again. You never will. It is
two pros and a cup of Joe.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Win, Jonas
Knox with you here. Coming up top of next hour
a little over ten minutes from now, we are going
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a move is close to being made in the NFL.
We'll get into that for you in here a little
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Radio and the iHeartRadio app and it will always pop
up at the top of your screen. So Kirk Cousins
is still a member of the Atlanta Falcons. We're coming
up on the year anniversary of listening to lebar on
Draft night coverage with Jay Glazer and Jay throwing out
the possibility of the Falcons drafting Michael Pennix and the
loan behold, that's what happened. The year did not go
(33:40):
well for Kirk Cousins. He got banged up, he was
bench later on, and so now the Atlanta Falcons still
have him. And according to Adam Schefter, the Falcons have
talked to teams about Kirk Cousins, but the asking price
has been too much. They want teams to pay twenty
million of the forty five million Cousins has in guarantees
left on his ca On tract, So that would explain
(34:02):
why he's still in Atlanta. He is said to Arthur
bespoke to Arthur Blank he would like the opportunity to
go elsewhere. They picked up his ten million dollar bonus,
but unless the team as of right now is willing
to pick up reportedly twenty million of the forty five
and guarantees, the Falcons aren't willing to offload him.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Would y'all do it?
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Would you pay the twenty million on top of whatever
it is you're going to have to do contractually speaking.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Well, I don't think you'll have to do anything contractually speaking.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
You just take over to contract, you paid it to.
You guarantee a twenty million. Well they're splitting right. He's
guaranteed forty five, I think.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
But what I'm saying is is that if you were
to take him, you only have to pay him.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Yeah, I'd do it. It depends who you are, Right,
if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers, Roger retires, you don't get
the quarterback you want. The draft now it makes a
lot more sense. You know, maybe the Cleveland Browns, depending
on how they're viewing the draft, and you're sitting at
number two, you can take a quarterback. But you know
(35:07):
they've got Kenny Pickett, they've got Joe Flacco. They might
feel good about where they're at. So it's a hard
question to answer because I felt like Kirk Cousins didn't
look healthy. He had alluded to that when he came
out and talked about the struggles of last year and
trying to play through some of that. So there is
(35:28):
an element of this of Okay, he's getting older, he
was dealing with some injuries, play wasn't quite as good,
but he's been pretty consistent. I feel like you know
what you're getting, So I would lean towards if you're
a team that needs one, Yeah, I would probably pay
the twenty million in order to have him be my
starting quarterback for this year. But I'm not looking at
(35:49):
this as a long term thing. I need to have
someone who's in the waiting, you know, waiting in the wings,
and is able to learn from him. And I'm sure
Michael Pennox was able to gather a lot from being
around Kirk Cousins and how he prepares and you know,
how he gets ready week in and week out, so
to make himself better and prepare for his opponent. There's
(36:09):
a lot of value in that that you can't you
can't coach, you can't figure out nless you've got a
guy in the room who's able to demonstrate that, so
that there is there's a lot of value in that
for a guy that you're paying twenty million dollars for,
but also the other effects it has on some of
the other players in particular that you bring him that
quarterback room.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
The Steelers need a starter and the Saints might need
a starter. They're not trading him in the division. If
to your point, Rogers does retirement, well, I mean, if they're.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Trading Himawon Barkley can go to the same team.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Well he signed, Yeah, I mean, but I just I
look at it.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
I go, there's really one spot where they need a starter,
and it's Pittsburgh. And so if Rogers does walk away,
if I'm the Steelers and I can add Kirk and
it costs me twenty million dollars and I'm not able
to get the quarterback I want in the draft, they
kind of don't have much of a choice. Like they've
They've parted ways with Russell Wilson, they parted ways with
(37:12):
Justin Fields. They added Mason Rudolph and that's it.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
So if they're hoping, they're hoping that their quarterback is
there in the draft that to pick they're at or
close enough where they can make a move, That's what
I think. As far as these other teams, I mean,
there are teams that could use his services. And just
to think at twenty million, if you're saying twenty million
(37:38):
is too high. I mean, do you do you look
at the you know, the risk reward of Kirk Cousins
coming into your team at at a twenty million dollar figure,
especially if you heard Aaron Rodgers out there saying, I'll
do it for the ten ms. Yeah that's half, that's
only half.
Speaker 5 (37:56):
Yeah, like and Cousins, you know, like it's gonna cost
you twenty ms.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So I mean, if that's steep, that's I guess that's steep.
But I don't feel like for Kirk Cousins, he might
still have the yips. You know, he's got to be
healthier than what he was another year removed.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I think it's a it's a risk, but I think
you it's a boombust proposition. So I would do it.
I would do it for twenty for twenty twenty ms.
I'd do it. If I needed a QB, I do it.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Better. I have them, yep,
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