May 14, 2025 • 39 mins
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Get this, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, that's that's them Vikings pulling up and they're them
them Viking cruise ships. Yeah, burn the boats on it. Well,
kangaroos on it? Really just the kangaroos.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, Lee, Why why don't you speak up instead of
just putting stuff in the group text?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Huh. Imagine some Viking ships pulling up with some kangaroos
jumping off. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Wow, Yeah, there was there was blunt trauma to the body.
Just Oh, but what clothes were intact.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
For the audience. It wasn't here at the end of
the last hour. What are you referring to?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Lee? Kangaroo Jack, who was in the enclosure with his owner.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I guess you would call him.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Fifty two year old South Carolina man who was found
dead inside the enclosure of Kangaroo Jack. Many wonder whether
or not kan Kangaroo Jack had something to do with it,
if there was foul play or for play. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What was the guy's name the past, Eric Slate.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
They made a movie about kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
There was a movie about Kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm sure you've seen it.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Multiple blunt injuries to uh, rest in peace, mister fifty
two year old Eric Slate?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What do you mean multiple blunt injuries? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
What are you alleging happened?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What are you I just.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
See in quotations, rough housing, what blunt injuries? Close intact.
I'm just putting clues together.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Why did you say the kangaroo is a big fan
of pulp fiction?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I don't understand. Oh no, you know Stephen Hibbert was
an Australian man.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You're saying that Kangaroo's Jack. His middle name was that
mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
No plans to euthanize kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Stephen Hibbert. By the way, fun fact is the uh
it's the gimp from pulp fiction also the writer of
the movie.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Wait, the writer of the movies The Gimp.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, really, yeah, he was on set and the guy
who was supposed to play the gip didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
What a role them.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So Stephen Hibbert was on set and the Uh he
fit the mold. So bring out there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hey, listen, man, you hang out the gimp.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, spider caught me some flies.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That was the heavy Anthony Anderson that did that. That
that movie, that was the pre Lose the Weight Anthony.
You know, he was he was, he was healthy. And
Kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Oh you're talking about Kangaroo Jack. You were talking about
finger raims or something.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, No, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Uh, it is two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
His clothes were not in Jack.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
No, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here.
So we discussed this a little bit yesterday that things
appear like, you know, they're a little bit of a
rough spot. Uh. There was a statement that was released
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from Trey Hendrickson to the Cincinnati Bengals or to Adam
Schefter in regards to his conversations with the Cincinnati Bengals
is offseason, and then yesterday Trey Hendrickson's there reporters caught
up with Trey Hendrickson at the Bengals facility and it
went a little something like this.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
A little bit transpired between me and Zach. We've tried
to keep it, at least them out personal as possible,
but at some point in this process it becomes personal.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Being sent thirty days before mandatory camp or however to
any days it is that if I don't show up,
I will be fined alludes to the fact that something
won't get done in that timeframe. With the lack of
communication post draft made it evidently clear from my party
that I had to inform that this might not work out.
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I'm a Floridian, So there's unprovoked shark attacks, and there's
provoked shark attacks. The comments that are being made, whatever
happened at the combine, whatever happened at the owner's meetings,
and the text I got yesterday. This is not something
where I'm just twiddling my thumbs, thinking, oh, how can
I get the next one up. That's what makes this
place so special is that they watch me every day.
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They see how hard I work there's no other organization
knows me better than this one. They see how I
carry myself as a human being and they know me.
So it stinks when the value somewhere else. Because I
was fortunate enough to have that trade request granted. It
gave me the fortunate circumstance to see my value elsewhere,
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and I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. Former players
have walked in these shoes, and what it foreshadows is
not something that I'm excited about to tell my wife
and family, like, hey, this is I'm getting good vibes
or should be happy. Those comments stink.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So that's Trey Hendrickson letting it fly yesterday at the
Bengals off season workout.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Now, I'll put it this way, he's pretty darn articulate
for explaining the situation and his frustrations and why they're
at where they're at, which is more than the Bengals
can say. And I don't know if they've been openly
howardly spoken about this subject. So he's done his part
for two years now. He's been one of the best,
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if not one of the most productive sac artists in
the game. And it came down to what the Cincinnati
Bengals prioritized. They prioritize Joe Burrow in the offense, they
get the receivers signed, and we knew that there will
probably be an odd man out. So in this case,
it looks like it may be Trey Hendricksion. It sounds
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like with everything he's saying he would like to stay,
there's still a bridge there that they can cross. I
don't know if the Vikings came by and burned it yet,
but it feels like there's still a chance they can
still rectify the contract situation. I mean, Miles Garrett want
to get traded, he get a new deal. Now he's like, ah,
I'm good, all right, thanks guys. Or it can be
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the same train he wanted to Yeah, you don't think so,
he's out if they've been able to and here's the
thing is that they if they they've been able to
shop a trade, it's complicated because he's going in the
last year of his deal. Whatever team trades for him
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knows he wants.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
A new deal.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So he's not just having an issue probably or his
agent is having an issue with the Bengals. He's probably
having an issue too with whatever team would propose a trade.
I mean, that's the reality of the situation. No one's
going to trade for him without having a contract in
hand when he gets there because he doesn't want to
play under this contract.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I think that's what makes it complicated. That and he's thirty,
which you know, it's weird because again I always say
with edge rushers like and he plays against a run too,
Like he's not just a He's not just a guy
that gets to the quarterback. He actually is a edgecter
as well, Like he's a he's a complete ball player.
(08:03):
He just is really good at making it look easy
getting to the quarterback. I mean, he does an excellent
job of it. I just don't I don't think thirty
is so old where you don't think you can get
at least three to four years out of him that
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are still very productive in what it is that he
specializes in what he does. So I wouldn't be afraid
to pay him. I really wouldn't because his style of
play fits him having the ability to sustain it for
at least the length of a contract. So if I
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gave him a five to six year contract, I'm really
only looking for production in the first three of it. Thus,
probably why we're here now, and in the situation that
he's in where he's he's you know, he's been productive
throughout the most the better part of his his contract.
Now he's at the end of it. Most franchises and
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players have the understanding that if you're playing at a
high level, you're probably coming back and you're renegotiating before
the contract runs out. Like that's kind of a widely
understood deal. But I will get back to the realities
that exist with this as well, and it's a harsh
reality that goes along with the idea of it being
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a little bit complex. That he wants a deal, and
that could be the reason why they're not able to
move him, is that he is under contract. So they
can find you, they can manage you to the letter
of the law of the contract that you signed. So
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that's the reality here. Like we could say it's harsh,
we could say it's unfair, we could say he's out
performs his contract. Look at what you know, what happened
in Cleveland with Miles Garrett. But the reality of it
is is that if Cincinnati felt as though we gave
our money to the most important positions that we feel
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that needed to be signed this offseason and we're not
comfortable doing another major deal that way, and we'll revisit
during the year or not at all. He can take
that personal, but in reality, what else are you going
to do? You got two options, You play or you
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set out. That's just two options. And so to me,
while he did articulate well what he's feeling, and he clearly,
I think he feels like he's the shark that's getting agitated.
I don't think he feels as though it would be
a friendly fire shark attack on his behalf. I think
he feels like the things that are being said and
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done are are agitating factors where he's fighting not to
make it personal. But I would urge him, even at
thirty years old, I would urge him to not take
it personal and to keep it strictly business. And if
strictly business means that they're not going to if they're
not going to redo your contract, then you either decide
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that you're not going to show up until they do
a contract. And that's you got to feel like you're
what you bring to the table as a player. One
you can handle the fines. Two, you're you're confident enough
that you can sit out and they're going to do
the deal and you can come back and everything is
going to be okay, or you got to be prepared
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to sit I don't feel like there's any other There's
no other recourse to be taken here, and that's the
reality of being under contract.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
He clearly does not want to be anywhere else. He
wants to be there. He wants to be in sense
and when he makes the comment that you know when
they're sending me a text or letting me know thirty
days ahead of time, by the way, if you don't
show up, you're going to get fined. His frustration I
took it was I was expecting we were going to
have some dialogue about a new contract. Instead, the only
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dialogue I've gotten from you is, oh, by the way,
show up at this point or else you're going to
get fined.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And the point that the message is regardless of what
we do, because they may want to talk to him
in person, but they haven't. They may want to have
that interaction once he gets there and can.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
His point is they're not even have the having the
conversation at all. And I can understand why you'd be
pissed off like I always not here. I'm waiting to
hear a discussion about something else, and you're talking about
a fine system. I always show up. He was there yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, he's saying that. I'm saying that they said to
be there, So that that immediately says we're honoring the contract.
What we do from wherever we do it from that's
at our discretion. But we're letting you know you are
under contract and as a contracted employee of this organization,
we expect you to be here or you will get fined. Now.
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I don't know that that means they're going to find them,
but there I think they're going to test the waters
now before you get to training camp. You test the
waters now to see how far is Trey really willing
to test it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Let's all understand how this actually works. No one's getting
fined yet, boys, So that doesn't happen until anything's mandatory.
There's nothing until the mandatory otia or mini camp and
then training camp. So we're really looking into June before
there would be any sort of mandatory fines over that
three day period. That's the first thing. The second thing
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is I do understand what Jonas is saying and I
think that's where you could say, well, this is business,
it shouldn't be emotional, but come on, like when when
you're doing what he's done the past couple of years,
which is what's seventeen and a half sacks last two
years where it's been in sacks, I mean he's outplayed
his contract. He's he's scheduled to make fifteen point eight
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million this year. You've got other dudes making forty forty
that haven't had as much production as he's had. So
I'm sure the team because this is how this works too.
We've been there.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You've heard it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You might have been told it. I've heard it. Hey man,
you do this, this, this, you know you get paid,
You get paid. Also, you hear coaches say that stuff.
You hear all that garbage. He keeps putting in the time,
doing everything he was asked to do, and he's outplayed
this contract in a huge way. You can even make
the case the last you know, a couple of years
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of it. So it never really should have come to
this because he's far exceeded their expectations based on what
he was paid coming into this deal and what he's making,
you know, off of this at least for you know,
this upcoming year. So I look at it and just
go I understand his frustration. I think he's using a
negoti sciation tactic to try to put more public pressure
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on the Bengals because they are known as a cheap organization,
and because of that, I think it puts more pressure
on them to say, all right, let's let's try to
get this done. As a player, you really don't have
any other levers to pull, you know, you can be present, right,
which creates a distraction for everyone else because they don't
just ask then the coaching staff and the front office
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they ask other players too, and so it will come
to a point where it becomes such a distraction. And
by the way, not in a bad way. He's not
out there like doing things and wild out and doing
whatever else. I mean, he's just you know, sincerely stating
where he's at, which was there's nothing wrong with that.
So I think this is just a tactic more than
anything else, to put pressure on the team, a team
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that has historically drugged its feet. I wanting to pay players,
and in particular they've paid guys this year, But he's
gonna end up being the odd man out and you
can make the case he's been more productive than t Higgins.
I don't know that you could say he's been more
productive than Jamar Chase. He's been one of the best
receivers in the NFL, but you could say he's been
equally as productive for his position. And yet he's gonna
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be the guy that doesn't get paid.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And what's the part where he points out, Listen, other
players have walked in these shoes and it doesn't give
me a lot of confidence, is what we were laying
out yesterday. Like, man, they've had a lot of these
happened in Cincinnati. And my whole thing on it is
if you're a team and you sign a player to
a deal, and they signed him back in twenty twenty
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one to this four year deal, like you're hoping that
he lives up to the contract. And if he lives
up to the contract, awesome. If he exceeds what he's
been paid or what the contract was, I would assume
you would want to reward him further for that. Not
only has he done what they've thought he was going
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to do, he's been better. Like his first four years
in New Orleans weren't close to this he's been better,
and he's gotten better every single year, and he's been
more productive every single year he's been there, and yet
there's just no no momentum that's been gained on a deal,
like nothing has come. And that's why he's frustrated.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I get where you guys are coming from, and
they're very valid points, but I ultimately look at it
like this. He did make it clear, I guess in
his interview as well, that he will not play under
this current contract, like he's saying, I'm not playing. You
have to say that if that's a game of chicken,
and that's a game of chicken. But so if they
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call out, if they decide to take him up on
the game of chicken, if he does indeed prepare himself
to sit out, what is the ultimate what is the
ultimate end of that? Like, Okay, his contract runs out,
which I believe if you sit out, your contract doesn't
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it doesn't like go away right like that? Do they
get that year back? It does, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not considered a vested season, so the contract was
just told to the following year. In this case, you'd
assume that they trade him and they release him. I
mean there's there's really not much of a point. If
the guy isn't happy, I'm not going to play for you,
you might as well get what you can for him.
Like he's he's not getting any younger. There's teams that
have needs off the edge. There's someone who'd give up
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future draft compensation for him and willing to sign him
to a contract that does appease him. So I look,
he either plays for the Bengals this year, they figure
this out, or he'll get traded.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's no way to go under it gets that's but again,
if you take the complications of what you're saying in
terms of getting a contract, he's going to want a
contract done wherever it is he goes. What does that
team want to do that that he's going to go
to And there may be two years again, it could
be it could be he's elan New England a thing.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I would guess what makes when the ballpark are seventy
million guaranteed, he'll probably average about thirty five million per year,
thirty million somewhere in that ballpark per year in his contract,
which is fair Like he'd be doubling what he's scheduled
to make now and he's easily.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I don't think justify that he's not going to do that.
I just don't think so well, I don't know if
they have the cash a bill to do it. So
I don't think they're going to do it. And so
he has to be willing. If he's what he's saying,
it is true and that's not just that tongue in cheese.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is that a stick?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Here's a sticks pick right here. If they do not
pay him, that's sum of money that will fall in
the range of what he's market price. You know, you know,
I guess earned that market value. If they do no,
let me rephrase this, they will not pay him his
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market value, and then we have to figure out what
Hendrickson is going to do. But it will be with
this Cincinnati Bengals or at.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
His house that is sticks picks.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, it's home, or Sinsey. That's my that's my thought.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
On you know, I'd love to see, you know, I
would love to see it's not gonna happen. I would
love to see happen. If Cincinnati doesn't think he's worth
what the market says a player of his credentials is worth,
trade him in the division, trade him to Baltimore, Center
to Baltimore if he's not worth it, Center to Baltimore
and have to deal with him.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If did an outside guy, but edge guy, and they
have edge guys, but he's not. They're not going to
pay that for him.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
He's clearly earned the deal. They're just yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Whatever way, they don't want to pay t J. Watt
in Pittsburgh, you know, So there's you know, I mean,
that's the only team that would really make sense is Baltimore,
I guess or Pittsburgh. But that's that They're it's not
that big of a need with one of those teams. Again,
I think most intriguing because Rabel made it a thing
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like we'll take TJ. Watt. I mean, Trey Hendrickson is
is up top in that category. I mean, I wouldn't
say he's not on the level of a TJ. Watt
at this point.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Pretty so pretty durable too, doesn't have any back issues
or anything.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's good, all right. So I mean, but is that
what is that what a team out there would want
to do? And who's going to do that? What team
right now? Which is funny because him and TJ are
the same, They're the same age, they're both thirty, So
you're talking about two premiere edge rushers edged guys who
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are difference makers for their team. This is it's really
ridiculous that Cincinnati would do this because you just lost
your other defensive end to retirement and this is your
your freaking staple, foundational you know, leader and player on
your defense and probably your team. He's probably seems like
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the type of guy that's a leader on the team
as well. They should they should tea him in this situation. Man,
they should have let T Higgins walk.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Like, if you got to pick two of the three,
you pay your best receiver and your best defensive player
and then T Higgins. Sorry, man, like we can get
another wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You're not going to outscore.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
The thing is is it was a pretty economical deal
and and if you look at what they did in
the draft, they didn't sign anyone. They signed free agents,
they didn't draft anyone though, So they made that decision.
We're like, we're good. We we've got Jamar, we've got
T Higgins, We've got some complimentary pieces. You know, they
obviously spend draft picks on Jermaine Burton, Charlie Jones, in
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recent years, it was a Yesheva does he pronounced his
last name?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Uh, e of us, oh, God of us.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Screwing that up? I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, I don't want that dude. They got him too,
he should he should?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They got that dude.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Apologies, he's talented.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
By the way, I'll be honest with you too. What's
what's actually a shame about this group is between Mica
SICKI drew sample and they drafted Eric All in the
fourth round. All four of those guys are are capable
pass catching God ends. It's it's actually kind of funny,
like they're not going to be focused on quite as
much only because you've got two guys you're paying on
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the outside.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So m hmm, yeah, I don't know. Man, If you
don't have Hendrickson on that defense, it's going to look
drastically different than what it's looked in years past. And
by the way, they weren't very good last year.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yoosh. By the way, yosi vosh is the pronunciation.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Say anywhere close to that? I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, neither was I.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, we both butchered that, Lee, can you clean that up?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
In the podcast, Lee actually speaking of cleaning of the podcast.
I did notice you cleaned up some things that involved
you in y ray there yesterday, not being on your toes.
I was gonna ask, though, could you go back and
give us the pronunciations for what we said, like how
we just said that. I want to see how far
off we were.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
If you want to play.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Can you can you play back our attempt at Yoshi
vas Yes, I want to see how far off we were.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Damn, that was brutal.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I said it exactly. That was spelled for what it's worth.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, you're trying, you're working on phanatics? Is that possibly?
I'm not getting anything from you?
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Here he goes, he's getting close, this is this is bad,
this is rough.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, I think we got it all right, all right?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It was a Yeshava? Does he pronounce his last name.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Us?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think I don't know? Yeah, that dude.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They got him too, By the way.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It was.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
By the way, you didn't even really sound out the letters.
I don't know what you I.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Don't know, like where did I?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It would be more like EVS if you tried to say.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where I pulled
that from. That was That's unfortunate. Our apologies, Andre, apologies.
I have no disrespect. Good player, yep, good player with
no back issues which is important.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, none at all, none at all.
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Speaker 5 (26:39):
Kangaroos are listening to that song where they were working
over that corpse.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
What's it called down Under? What's this called?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I don't know, Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
What's it called Lorena down Under? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Toto?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
No, two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here, uh
coming a hold on a seconds?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Lee?
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Did you think this was Toto?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I did think this was Toto for some reason. I
was mixing it up with who is.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Is in Toto? Who is it?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
It's met at work.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
She's just funny Toto does like uh, Africa, that's the
song Africa? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, hold, there's a number of great
songs to this. It's kind of disrespectfully in fact, just
because just for that, I'm Toto's gonna be my next
interro song.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
All right?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Doesn't doesn't Toto do uh Roxanne or something like that too?
That stink? Uh something like that? Right? Or police? Technically No,
it's Toto. I forget, but they do a song? Is
it rock Sanne? It's no Rosanna, not Rosanna Rosanna. That's it.
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That's it. That's a one I.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Like, hold the lines my favorite. Africa's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
They got that that tenor dude that he got that
real deep voice. It's a good band.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Okay, So we are gonna have our Midwek Awards coming
up here in about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
From the classic eighties.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
By the way, you know, the sound of the least
singer mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think he's just had its own sound. Is that
fair to say?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah, but it kind of ran the gambut because you
had hair rock, hair metal, and you had like synth,
like electronica, you know, depeche Mode and all those bands.
Stop Depeche moan did.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Here's about depeche It's one of.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
The great eighties bands of all time, one of the
great bands period.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
No stink.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
How dare you Lee wipes his butt with their album
Geese and every other one? Yeah? Sure does. I mean,
I'm sure he does anything.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Come on, did.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Again during the last segment, But LeVar wasn't a nice
thing and I didn't want to interrupt him.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So no, well, thank you, Lauren lead to lap clearly
interrupted you.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Though, what a professional there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Don't worry about me, you know, you can go ahead
and drop that sound if you feel like it.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
By the way, Congress, congratulations to uh to uh Pete
Rose and shoots Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
How do y'all feel about this.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Man their lifetime?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Why not? Why not get what is happening? Where all
this stuff is changing? Now, what's taking you know?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I don't want to get into technicalities, but doesn't a
lifetime ban end when the person's life ends. I mean,
so it's kind of like didn't need to really be
done at all.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's what I'm saying. A lifetime ban like I died,
Pete Rose, that if you wanted to lift the band
with some meaning, I think I.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Think God, did there you go?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Come on up here, Pete, Come come to this Hall
of fame, up here, Pep. It's just ridiculous. I forgive you,
I forgive you of your sins. Come on up here
and play some baseball, Pete. God, dang, I mean the fact,
did you think that that was going to be a
feel good story? We've lifted the lifetime ben off of
Pete Rose? Like yeah, yah yah smeared him, his whole
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entire life smeared him.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
So shoe was Joe Jackson like that one there is
evidence that he did take money even though he played
well in the World Series, that they felt like they
threw the Black Sox.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Did Oh no, he did.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
He did take money so that I think it took
like a five thousand dollars payment. So there, I can
understand that one the pete rose and I know that
this is people aren't gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
There really is a.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Difference between betting on your team and betting against your team.
I know you don't want to open up the window
and you don't want to open that up because it's like, well,
you know, if you let that one thing go, it
could lead to this. But if you know that he didn't,
or you have it on good authority, or you have
an understanding that he didn't bet against his team, he
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was betting on his team while he was managing them,
a lifetime ban just never added up to me. Like,
if you want to ban him for five years, ten years, whatever,
he serves his time, I get it. But this whole
lifetime ban because he was betting on baseball. If he
didn't bet against his team, I don't think he should
have been banned for life personally, And I know people
(31:42):
don't like even opening the door to that and having
there be the possibility of him doing I just it
never never added up to me at all the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Do you want to take it first? Q?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, I guess I would quickly say this a
lifetime ban. Then to ticking it off after they've passed,
I don't. I guess it's for the family. I guess
it's maybe for the sport or I'm not really sure
like in the motivation behind it, why it matters to
undo it at this point because they can't. They're they're
(32:15):
the ones that obviously with the ones playing that could
receive the honor if they ever were, you know, voted in.
Have we changed as a society so much on how
we view sports, gambling and betting that we feel like
that it needed to change.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I just have.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I just have questions about like why and now? And
the only thing I'd say is, you know, having the
ban on after someone has already passed, it's almost like
it's kind of like when people go back and vacate
games from something that comes out from like a college
football team like ten years ago. You're like, well, what
does that do? Like the game has been played, we
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saw the result, it doesn't mean like the punishment after
the fact, you're not even punishing the right people. If
you take way scholarships, wouldry to punish the university. At
that point, you're you're harming a future generation for something
that happened in the past. It doesn't feel like fair
and just it just it doesn't make any sense. So
it wouldn't make any sense to keep it on anyway
after that they've already passed. I mean, have any of
(33:15):
the voters changed their opinion where they feel like, oh,
it doesn't matter to me as much anymore, I'll vote
a men. Is that the rationale for this?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I think this opens the door for him to get in.
I just think that their thought on it was, well,
it was more of a procedural thing. You know that
we can't you know, we don't banish people until after there,
you know, after they pass away. Like it's you know,
we don't feel like he's a threat to the integrity
of the game. Was Rob Manford's statement, we don't feel
like he's a threat to the integrity of the game. Well,
(33:47):
I could argue. When Pete Rose was selling autographs out
in front of the Forum shops Caesars in Vegas. He
probably wasn't a threat to the integrity of the game either.
You could have done this a long time ago, but
they didn't. They wanted to hold on to that and
and so now they reveal this after you pass.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
All right, let me quickly ask this. If they vote
shoeless Joe In, does that then open the door for
any other player that gets caught essentially or chooses to
go that route, Because now you're like, well, it's not
going to impact my career long term if I become
a Hall of Fame player. You know, if I get
caught doing something like this. Is that a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You think they're gonna try to avoid? It's definitely a
slippery slope.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
He rose for that matter yourself, especially if they're going
to welcome gambling into the conversation with all the sponsorships
out there, like maybe they look at that and go,
that wouldn't be wise. I just you know, it's like, so,
what does this change? Nothing until he gets in the
Hall of changes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It changes that he can go in the Hall of Fame,
That's what.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I understand that. But who's going to vote for him
to get into? The most fickle voters it all of
Hall of Fame, of all the Hall of Fames, or
is probably major League Baseball. So what going to change
with this group of voters.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I would assume they had this, they they broached this
conversation before they made this decision, That's what I would say.
And maybe, in fact, maybe the conversation came from those
writers and those voters to begin with. Maybe that's why
it even is a conversation. I mean, when you really
think about it, Charlie Hustle did is much for baseball,
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maybe more than what pretty much any other player. I mean,
in the history and the annals of what he was
able to accomplish, He's probably up there with the greatest
of all times, the great And it's not even it's
not right. It's not seven time, seventeen time All Star
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won the World Series. My whole thing is is if
you're going to jump on this dude's head about gambling,
he should be a subpar player. That player is doing
things where it's like, yeah, you're gonna get this band,
You're not doing anything great for our game, and you
know it could be considered that you're doing this so
(36:13):
that you can get paid versus what Pete Rose did
you can't say. Seventeen time All Star, three time World
Series Champ, NL, MVP World Series, MVP NL Rookie of
the Year, which means he did it from day one.
Two time Golden Gloves, Silver Slugger Award, Roberto Clemente Award,
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Batting Champion Award, like they retired his number. He's in
Cincinnati's Hall of Fame. I just you know, to me,
if the dude was averaged, you ban them. Nobody cares.
But the fact that he was so brilliant in his
career makes it such a large conversation. And you know,
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it's said that it took that man passing away for
the conversation to take place. To remove the band, like,
it seems like it's empty calories to me on this scenario,
I don't like it, but I'm glad they did remove it.
But to do it now, I mean, it's insequential to
me for them to do it now.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
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Speaker 2 (38:06):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly all.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Right, lead to laugh, who's got what?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
As we do each and every week, we start with
the good and this week we got var delivering the goods.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'm going with the NBA playoffs and and seeing it
kind of unfold the way that it is. I think
that we we at least will have a good game
moving forward tonight with with the the Nuggets and and
the Timberwolves. But I think that it's setting the stage
for a thunder Wolves Wolves game, so that to me,
(38:49):
that's good. And then seeing the Knicks play make it
this far that I'm I'm pretty happy about that too,
So I say that that's my goods that you got
some teams that that are advanced that it'd be interesting
to see some of this new talent.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Can't have good without the bad. Brady, what was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
The leaks of the NFL schedule release? Come on, you
figure out the combine, You figured out the draft, figure
out something for the schedule release. Let them leaking out
with different networks doing different things and then different teams
posting stuff on social media. We can make this a
bigger event. They've got to figure out how to make
this more consolidated and a better way of advertising some
(39:30):
of their biggest.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Scams from bad to words. Jonas, what was ugly? I mean,
it just happened a short time ago. My attempt to
pronounce andre Yosi Bosh's name. I don't even know what
happened there.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's I think I was closer than you by the.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Way you were No. I mean, it's just it's it's
unprofessional and I want to apologize to the entire Yosie Bosh.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Family were saying that out
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lee can say it
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get this, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, that's that's them Vikings pulling up and they're them
them Viking cruise ships. Yeah, burn the boats on it. Well,
kangaroos on it? Really just the kangaroos.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah, Lee, Why why don't you speak up instead of
just putting stuff in the group text?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Huh. Imagine some Viking ships pulling up with some kangaroos
jumping off. That'd be awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Wow, Yeah, there was there was blunt trauma to the body.
Just Oh, but what clothes were intact.
Speaker 5 (01:15):
For the audience. It wasn't here at the end of
the last hour. What are you referring to?
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Lee? Kangaroo Jack, who was in the enclosure with his owner.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I guess you would call him.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Fifty two year old South Carolina man who was found
dead inside the enclosure of Kangaroo Jack. Many wonder whether
or not kan Kangaroo Jack had something to do with it,
if there was foul play or for play. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
What was the guy's name the past, Eric Slate.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
They made a movie about kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
There was a movie about Kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm sure you've seen it.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Multiple blunt injuries to uh, rest in peace, mister fifty
two year old Eric Slate?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
What do you mean multiple blunt injuries? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:00):
What are you alleging happened?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
What are you I just.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
See in quotations, rough housing, what blunt injuries? Close intact.
I'm just putting clues together.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
Why did you say the kangaroo is a big fan
of pulp fiction?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I don't understand. Oh no, you know Stephen Hibbert was
an Australian man.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
You're saying that Kangaroo's Jack. His middle name was that
mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
No plans to euthanize kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Stephen Hibbert. By the way, fun fact is the uh
it's the gimp from pulp fiction also the writer of
the movie.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Wait, the writer of the movies The Gimp.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah, really, yeah, he was on set and the guy
who was supposed to play the gip didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
What a role them.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
So Stephen Hibbert was on set and the Uh he
fit the mold. So bring out there you go.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hey, listen, man, you hang out the gimp.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Yeah, spider caught me some flies.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
That was the heavy Anthony Anderson that did that. That
that movie, that was the pre Lose the Weight Anthony.
You know, he was he was, he was healthy. And
Kangaroo Jack.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Oh you're talking about Kangaroo Jack. You were talking about
finger raims or something.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Yeah, No, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Uh, it is two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
His clothes were not in Jack.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
No, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here.
So we discussed this a little bit yesterday that things
appear like, you know, they're a little bit of a
rough spot. Uh. There was a statement that was released
(03:58):
from Trey Hendrickson to the Cincinnati Bengals or to Adam
Schefter in regards to his conversations with the Cincinnati Bengals
is offseason, and then yesterday Trey Hendrickson's there reporters caught
up with Trey Hendrickson at the Bengals facility and it
went a little something like this.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
A little bit transpired between me and Zach. We've tried
to keep it, at least them out personal as possible,
but at some point in this process it becomes personal.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Being sent thirty days before mandatory camp or however to
any days it is that if I don't show up,
I will be fined alludes to the fact that something
won't get done in that timeframe. With the lack of
communication post draft made it evidently clear from my party
that I had to inform that this might not work out.
(04:47):
I'm a Floridian, So there's unprovoked shark attacks, and there's
provoked shark attacks. The comments that are being made, whatever
happened at the combine, whatever happened at the owner's meetings,
and the text I got yesterday. This is not something
where I'm just twiddling my thumbs, thinking, oh, how can
I get the next one up. That's what makes this
place so special is that they watch me every day.
(05:08):
They see how hard I work there's no other organization
knows me better than this one. They see how I
carry myself as a human being and they know me.
So it stinks when the value somewhere else. Because I
was fortunate enough to have that trade request granted. It
gave me the fortunate circumstance to see my value elsewhere,
(05:30):
and I'm hoping it doesn't come to that. Former players
have walked in these shoes, and what it foreshadows is
not something that I'm excited about to tell my wife
and family, like, hey, this is I'm getting good vibes
or should be happy. Those comments stink.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
So that's Trey Hendrickson letting it fly yesterday at the
Bengals off season workout.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Now, I'll put it this way, he's pretty darn articulate
for explaining the situation and his frustrations and why they're
at where they're at, which is more than the Bengals
can say. And I don't know if they've been openly
howardly spoken about this subject. So he's done his part
for two years now. He's been one of the best,
(06:16):
if not one of the most productive sac artists in
the game. And it came down to what the Cincinnati
Bengals prioritized. They prioritize Joe Burrow in the offense, they
get the receivers signed, and we knew that there will
probably be an odd man out. So in this case,
it looks like it may be Trey Hendricksion. It sounds
(06:39):
like with everything he's saying he would like to stay,
there's still a bridge there that they can cross. I
don't know if the Vikings came by and burned it yet,
but it feels like there's still a chance they can
still rectify the contract situation. I mean, Miles Garrett want
to get traded, he get a new deal. Now he's like, ah,
I'm good, all right, thanks guys. Or it can be
(07:00):
the same train he wanted to Yeah, you don't think so,
he's out if they've been able to and here's the
thing is that they if they they've been able to
shop a trade, it's complicated because he's going in the
last year of his deal. Whatever team trades for him
(07:20):
knows he wants.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
A new deal.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
So he's not just having an issue probably or his
agent is having an issue with the Bengals. He's probably
having an issue too with whatever team would propose a trade.
I mean, that's the reality of the situation. No one's
going to trade for him without having a contract in
hand when he gets there because he doesn't want to
play under this contract.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I think that's what makes it complicated. That and he's thirty,
which you know, it's weird because again I always say
with edge rushers like and he plays against a run too,
Like he's not just a He's not just a guy
that gets to the quarterback. He actually is a edgecter
as well, Like he's a he's a complete ball player.
(08:03):
He just is really good at making it look easy
getting to the quarterback. I mean, he does an excellent
job of it. I just don't I don't think thirty
is so old where you don't think you can get
at least three to four years out of him that
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are still very productive in what it is that he
specializes in what he does. So I wouldn't be afraid
to pay him. I really wouldn't because his style of
play fits him having the ability to sustain it for
at least the length of a contract. So if I
(08:46):
gave him a five to six year contract, I'm really
only looking for production in the first three of it. Thus,
probably why we're here now, and in the situation that
he's in where he's he's you know, he's been productive
throughout the most the better part of his his contract.
Now he's at the end of it. Most franchises and
(09:10):
players have the understanding that if you're playing at a
high level, you're probably coming back and you're renegotiating before
the contract runs out. Like that's kind of a widely
understood deal. But I will get back to the realities
that exist with this as well, and it's a harsh
reality that goes along with the idea of it being
(09:32):
a little bit complex. That he wants a deal, and
that could be the reason why they're not able to
move him, is that he is under contract. So they
can find you, they can manage you to the letter
of the law of the contract that you signed. So
(09:54):
that's the reality here. Like we could say it's harsh,
we could say it's unfair, we could say he's out
performs his contract. Look at what you know, what happened
in Cleveland with Miles Garrett. But the reality of it
is is that if Cincinnati felt as though we gave
our money to the most important positions that we feel
(10:16):
that needed to be signed this offseason and we're not
comfortable doing another major deal that way, and we'll revisit
during the year or not at all. He can take
that personal, but in reality, what else are you going
to do? You got two options, You play or you
(10:39):
set out. That's just two options. And so to me,
while he did articulate well what he's feeling, and he clearly,
I think he feels like he's the shark that's getting agitated.
I don't think he feels as though it would be
a friendly fire shark attack on his behalf. I think
he feels like the things that are being said and
(11:00):
done are are agitating factors where he's fighting not to
make it personal. But I would urge him, even at
thirty years old, I would urge him to not take
it personal and to keep it strictly business. And if
strictly business means that they're not going to if they're
not going to redo your contract, then you either decide
(11:23):
that you're not going to show up until they do
a contract. And that's you got to feel like you're
what you bring to the table as a player. One
you can handle the fines. Two, you're you're confident enough
that you can sit out and they're going to do
the deal and you can come back and everything is
going to be okay, or you got to be prepared
(11:45):
to sit I don't feel like there's any other There's
no other recourse to be taken here, and that's the
reality of being under contract.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
He clearly does not want to be anywhere else. He
wants to be there. He wants to be in sense
and when he makes the comment that you know when
they're sending me a text or letting me know thirty
days ahead of time, by the way, if you don't
show up, you're going to get fined. His frustration I
took it was I was expecting we were going to
have some dialogue about a new contract. Instead, the only
(12:17):
dialogue I've gotten from you is, oh, by the way,
show up at this point or else you're going to
get fined.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
And the point that the message is regardless of what
we do, because they may want to talk to him
in person, but they haven't. They may want to have
that interaction once he gets there and can.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
His point is they're not even have the having the
conversation at all. And I can understand why you'd be
pissed off like I always not here. I'm waiting to
hear a discussion about something else, and you're talking about
a fine system. I always show up. He was there yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Well, he's saying that. I'm saying that they said to
be there, So that that immediately says we're honoring the contract.
What we do from wherever we do it from that's
at our discretion. But we're letting you know you are
under contract and as a contracted employee of this organization,
we expect you to be here or you will get fined. Now.
(13:09):
I don't know that that means they're going to find them,
but there I think they're going to test the waters
now before you get to training camp. You test the
waters now to see how far is Trey really willing
to test it.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Let's all understand how this actually works. No one's getting
fined yet, boys, So that doesn't happen until anything's mandatory.
There's nothing until the mandatory otia or mini camp and
then training camp. So we're really looking into June before
there would be any sort of mandatory fines over that
three day period. That's the first thing. The second thing
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is I do understand what Jonas is saying and I
think that's where you could say, well, this is business,
it shouldn't be emotional, but come on, like when when
you're doing what he's done the past couple of years,
which is what's seventeen and a half sacks last two
years where it's been in sacks, I mean he's outplayed
his contract. He's he's scheduled to make fifteen point eight
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million this year. You've got other dudes making forty forty
that haven't had as much production as he's had. So
I'm sure the team because this is how this works too.
We've been there.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You've heard it.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You might have been told it. I've heard it. Hey man,
you do this, this, this, you know you get paid,
You get paid. Also, you hear coaches say that stuff.
You hear all that garbage. He keeps putting in the time,
doing everything he was asked to do, and he's outplayed
this contract in a huge way. You can even make
the case the last you know, a couple of years
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of it. So it never really should have come to
this because he's far exceeded their expectations based on what
he was paid coming into this deal and what he's making,
you know, off of this at least for you know,
this upcoming year. So I look at it and just
go I understand his frustration. I think he's using a
negoti sciation tactic to try to put more public pressure
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on the Bengals because they are known as a cheap organization,
and because of that, I think it puts more pressure
on them to say, all right, let's let's try to
get this done. As a player, you really don't have
any other levers to pull, you know, you can be present, right,
which creates a distraction for everyone else because they don't
just ask then the coaching staff and the front office
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they ask other players too, and so it will come
to a point where it becomes such a distraction. And
by the way, not in a bad way. He's not
out there like doing things and wild out and doing
whatever else. I mean, he's just you know, sincerely stating
where he's at, which was there's nothing wrong with that.
So I think this is just a tactic more than
anything else, to put pressure on the team, a team
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that has historically drugged its feet. I wanting to pay players,
and in particular they've paid guys this year, But he's
gonna end up being the odd man out and you
can make the case he's been more productive than t Higgins.
I don't know that you could say he's been more
productive than Jamar Chase. He's been one of the best
receivers in the NFL, but you could say he's been
equally as productive for his position. And yet he's gonna
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be the guy that doesn't get paid.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
And what's the part where he points out, Listen, other
players have walked in these shoes and it doesn't give
me a lot of confidence, is what we were laying
out yesterday. Like, man, they've had a lot of these
happened in Cincinnati. And my whole thing on it is
if you're a team and you sign a player to
a deal, and they signed him back in twenty twenty
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one to this four year deal, like you're hoping that
he lives up to the contract. And if he lives
up to the contract, awesome. If he exceeds what he's
been paid or what the contract was, I would assume
you would want to reward him further for that. Not
only has he done what they've thought he was going
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to do, he's been better. Like his first four years
in New Orleans weren't close to this he's been better,
and he's gotten better every single year, and he's been
more productive every single year he's been there, and yet
there's just no no momentum that's been gained on a deal,
like nothing has come. And that's why he's frustrated.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
And I get where you guys are coming from, and
they're very valid points, but I ultimately look at it
like this. He did make it clear, I guess in
his interview as well, that he will not play under
this current contract, like he's saying, I'm not playing. You
have to say that if that's a game of chicken,
and that's a game of chicken. But so if they
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call out, if they decide to take him up on
the game of chicken, if he does indeed prepare himself
to sit out, what is the ultimate what is the
ultimate end of that? Like, Okay, his contract runs out,
which I believe if you sit out, your contract doesn't
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it doesn't like go away right like that? Do they
get that year back? It does, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
It's not considered a vested season, so the contract was
just told to the following year. In this case, you'd
assume that they trade him and they release him. I
mean there's there's really not much of a point. If
the guy isn't happy, I'm not going to play for you,
you might as well get what you can for him.
Like he's he's not getting any younger. There's teams that
have needs off the edge. There's someone who'd give up
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future draft compensation for him and willing to sign him
to a contract that does appease him. So I look,
he either plays for the Bengals this year, they figure
this out, or he'll get traded.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's no way to go under it gets that's but again,
if you take the complications of what you're saying in
terms of getting a contract, he's going to want a
contract done wherever it is he goes. What does that
team want to do that that he's going to go
to And there may be two years again, it could
be it could be he's elan New England a thing.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
I would guess what makes when the ballpark are seventy
million guaranteed, he'll probably average about thirty five million per year,
thirty million somewhere in that ballpark per year in his contract,
which is fair Like he'd be doubling what he's scheduled
to make now and he's easily.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I don't think justify that he's not going to do that.
I just don't think so well, I don't know if
they have the cash a bill to do it. So
I don't think they're going to do it. And so
he has to be willing. If he's what he's saying,
it is true and that's not just that tongue in cheese.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is that a stick?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Here's a sticks pick right here. If they do not
pay him, that's sum of money that will fall in
the range of what he's market price. You know, you know,
I guess earned that market value. If they do no,
let me rephrase this, they will not pay him his
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market value, and then we have to figure out what
Hendrickson is going to do. But it will be with
this Cincinnati Bengals or at.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
His house that is sticks picks.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yes, it's home, or Sinsey. That's my that's my thought.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
On you know, I'd love to see, you know, I
would love to see it's not gonna happen. I would
love to see happen. If Cincinnati doesn't think he's worth
what the market says a player of his credentials is worth,
trade him in the division, trade him to Baltimore, Center
to Baltimore if he's not worth it, Center to Baltimore
and have to deal with him.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
If did an outside guy, but edge guy, and they
have edge guys, but he's not. They're not going to
pay that for him.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
He's clearly earned the deal. They're just yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Whatever way, they don't want to pay t J. Watt
in Pittsburgh, you know, So there's you know, I mean,
that's the only team that would really make sense is Baltimore,
I guess or Pittsburgh. But that's that They're it's not
that big of a need with one of those teams. Again,
I think most intriguing because Rabel made it a thing
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like we'll take TJ. Watt. I mean, Trey Hendrickson is
is up top in that category. I mean, I wouldn't
say he's not on the level of a TJ. Watt
at this point.
Speaker 5 (21:16):
Pretty so pretty durable too, doesn't have any back issues
or anything.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
It's good, all right. So I mean, but is that
what is that what a team out there would want
to do? And who's going to do that? What team
right now? Which is funny because him and TJ are
the same, They're the same age, they're both thirty, So
you're talking about two premiere edge rushers edged guys who
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are difference makers for their team. This is it's really
ridiculous that Cincinnati would do this because you just lost
your other defensive end to retirement and this is your
your freaking staple, foundational you know, leader and player on
your defense and probably your team. He's probably seems like
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the type of guy that's a leader on the team
as well. They should they should tea him in this situation. Man,
they should have let T Higgins walk.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Like, if you got to pick two of the three,
you pay your best receiver and your best defensive player
and then T Higgins. Sorry, man, like we can get
another wide receiver in the draft.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You're not going to outscore.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
The thing is is it was a pretty economical deal
and and if you look at what they did in
the draft, they didn't sign anyone. They signed free agents,
they didn't draft anyone though, So they made that decision.
We're like, we're good. We we've got Jamar, we've got
T Higgins, We've got some complimentary pieces. You know, they
obviously spend draft picks on Jermaine Burton, Charlie Jones, in
(22:46):
recent years, it was a Yesheva does he pronounced his
last name?
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Uh, e of us, oh, God of us.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Screwing that up? I think, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Yeah, I don't want that dude. They got him too,
he should he should?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
They got that dude.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Apologies, he's talented.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
By the way, I'll be honest with you too. What's
what's actually a shame about this group is between Mica
SICKI drew sample and they drafted Eric All in the
fourth round. All four of those guys are are capable
pass catching God ends. It's it's actually kind of funny,
like they're not going to be focused on quite as
much only because you've got two guys you're paying on
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the outside.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So m hmm, yeah, I don't know. Man, If you
don't have Hendrickson on that defense, it's going to look
drastically different than what it's looked in years past. And
by the way, they weren't very good last year.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
Yoosh. By the way, yosi vosh is the pronunciation.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Say anywhere close to that? I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
No, neither was I.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, we both butchered that, Lee, can you clean that up?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
In the podcast, Lee actually speaking of cleaning of the podcast.
I did notice you cleaned up some things that involved
you in y ray there yesterday, not being on your toes.
I was gonna ask, though, could you go back and
give us the pronunciations for what we said, like how
we just said that. I want to see how far
off we were.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
If you want to play.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Can you can you play back our attempt at Yoshi
vas Yes, I want to see how far off we were.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Damn, that was brutal.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I said it exactly. That was spelled for what it's worth.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Yeah, you're trying, you're working on phanatics? Is that possibly?
I'm not getting anything from you?
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Here he goes, he's getting close, this is this is bad,
this is rough.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Okay, I think we got it all right, all right?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
It was a Yeshava? Does he pronounce his last name.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Us?
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Growing up?
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I think I don't know? Yeah, that dude.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
They got him too, By the way.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
It was.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
By the way, you didn't even really sound out the letters.
I don't know what you I.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Don't know, like where did I?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
It would be more like EVS if you tried to say.
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know where I pulled
that from. That was That's unfortunate. Our apologies, Andre, apologies.
I have no disrespect. Good player, yep, good player with
no back issues which is important.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, none at all, none at all.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
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Speaker 5 (26:07):
Hell yeah, it is Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you. So coming up next here though,
somebody decided to go ahead and and make an announcement
in the world of sports. But why We'll answer that
question here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
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Speaker 5 (26:39):
Kangaroos are listening to that song where they were working
over that corpse.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
What's it called down Under? What's this called?
Speaker 4 (26:48):
I don't know, Yeah, that's what it is.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
What's it called Lorena down Under? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Toto?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
No, two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here, uh
coming a hold on a seconds?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Lee?
Speaker 5 (27:07):
Did you think this was Toto?
Speaker 4 (27:09):
I did think this was Toto for some reason. I
was mixing it up with who is.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Is in Toto? Who is it?
Speaker 5 (27:17):
It's met at work.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Whatever.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
She's just funny Toto does like uh, Africa, that's the
song Africa? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, hold, there's a number of great
songs to this. It's kind of disrespectfully in fact, just
because just for that, I'm Toto's gonna be my next
interro song.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
All right?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Doesn't doesn't Toto do uh Roxanne or something like that too?
That stink? Uh something like that? Right? Or police? Technically No,
it's Toto. I forget, but they do a song? Is
it rock Sanne? It's no Rosanna, not Rosanna Rosanna. That's it.
(27:58):
That's it. That's a one I.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Like, hold the lines my favorite. Africa's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
They got that that tenor dude that he got that
real deep voice. It's a good band.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Okay, So we are gonna have our Midwek Awards coming
up here in about ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
From the classic eighties.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
By the way, you know, the sound of the least
singer mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I think he's just had its own sound. Is that
fair to say?
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah, but it kind of ran the gambut because you
had hair rock, hair metal, and you had like synth,
like electronica, you know, depeche Mode and all those bands.
Stop Depeche moan did.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Here's about depeche It's one of.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
The great eighties bands of all time, one of the
great bands period.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
No stink.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
How dare you Lee wipes his butt with their album
Geese and every other one? Yeah? Sure does. I mean,
I'm sure he does anything.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Come on, did.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Again during the last segment, But LeVar wasn't a nice
thing and I didn't want to interrupt him.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
So no, well, thank you, Lauren lead to lap clearly
interrupted you.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Though, what a professional there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Don't worry about me, you know, you can go ahead
and drop that sound if you feel like it.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
By the way, Congress, congratulations to uh to uh Pete
Rose and shoots Joe Jackson.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
How do y'all feel about this.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Man their lifetime?
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Why not? Why not get what is happening? Where all
this stuff is changing? Now, what's taking you know?
Speaker 5 (29:42):
I don't want to get into technicalities, but doesn't a
lifetime ban end when the person's life ends. I mean,
so it's kind of like didn't need to really be
done at all.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's what I'm saying. A lifetime ban like I died,
Pete Rose, that if you wanted to lift the band
with some meaning, I think I.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
Think God, did there you go?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Come on up here, Pete, Come come to this Hall
of fame, up here, Pep. It's just ridiculous. I forgive you,
I forgive you of your sins. Come on up here
and play some baseball, Pete. God, dang, I mean the fact,
did you think that that was going to be a
feel good story? We've lifted the lifetime ben off of
Pete Rose? Like yeah, yah yah smeared him, his whole
(30:29):
entire life smeared him.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
So shoe was Joe Jackson like that one there is
evidence that he did take money even though he played
well in the World Series, that they felt like they
threw the Black Sox.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Did Oh no, he did.
Speaker 5 (30:46):
He did take money so that I think it took
like a five thousand dollars payment. So there, I can
understand that one the pete rose and I know that
this is people aren't gonna like this.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
There really is a.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Difference between betting on your team and betting against your team.
I know you don't want to open up the window
and you don't want to open that up because it's like, well,
you know, if you let that one thing go, it
could lead to this. But if you know that he didn't,
or you have it on good authority, or you have
an understanding that he didn't bet against his team, he
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was betting on his team while he was managing them,
a lifetime ban just never added up to me. Like,
if you want to ban him for five years, ten years, whatever,
he serves his time, I get it. But this whole
lifetime ban because he was betting on baseball. If he
didn't bet against his team, I don't think he should
have been banned for life personally, And I know people
(31:42):
don't like even opening the door to that and having
there be the possibility of him doing I just it
never never added up to me at all the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Do you want to take it first? Q?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, I guess I would quickly say this a
lifetime ban. Then to ticking it off after they've passed,
I don't. I guess it's for the family. I guess
it's maybe for the sport or I'm not really sure
like in the motivation behind it, why it matters to
undo it at this point because they can't. They're they're
(32:15):
the ones that obviously with the ones playing that could
receive the honor if they ever were, you know, voted in.
Have we changed as a society so much on how
we view sports, gambling and betting that we feel like
that it needed to change.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I just have.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
I just have questions about like why and now? And
the only thing I'd say is, you know, having the
ban on after someone has already passed, it's almost like
it's kind of like when people go back and vacate
games from something that comes out from like a college
football team like ten years ago. You're like, well, what
does that do? Like the game has been played, we
(32:53):
saw the result, it doesn't mean like the punishment after
the fact, you're not even punishing the right people. If
you take way scholarships, wouldry to punish the university. At
that point, you're you're harming a future generation for something
that happened in the past. It doesn't feel like fair
and just it just it doesn't make any sense. So
it wouldn't make any sense to keep it on anyway
after that they've already passed. I mean, have any of
(33:15):
the voters changed their opinion where they feel like, oh,
it doesn't matter to me as much anymore, I'll vote
a men. Is that the rationale for this?
Speaker 5 (33:25):
I think this opens the door for him to get in.
I just think that their thought on it was, well,
it was more of a procedural thing. You know that
we can't you know, we don't banish people until after there,
you know, after they pass away. Like it's you know,
we don't feel like he's a threat to the integrity
of the game. Was Rob Manford's statement, we don't feel
like he's a threat to the integrity of the game. Well,
(33:47):
I could argue. When Pete Rose was selling autographs out
in front of the Forum shops Caesars in Vegas. He
probably wasn't a threat to the integrity of the game either.
You could have done this a long time ago, but
they didn't. They wanted to hold on to that and
and so now they reveal this after you pass.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
All right, let me quickly ask this. If they vote
shoeless Joe In, does that then open the door for
any other player that gets caught essentially or chooses to
go that route, Because now you're like, well, it's not
going to impact my career long term if I become
a Hall of Fame player. You know, if I get
caught doing something like this. Is that a slippery slope.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You think they're gonna try to avoid? It's definitely a
slippery slope.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
He rose for that matter yourself, especially if they're going
to welcome gambling into the conversation with all the sponsorships
out there, like maybe they look at that and go,
that wouldn't be wise. I just you know, it's like, so,
what does this change? Nothing until he gets in the
Hall of changes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It changes that he can go in the Hall of Fame,
That's what.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I understand that. But who's going to vote for him
to get into? The most fickle voters it all of
Hall of Fame, of all the Hall of Fames, or
is probably major League Baseball. So what going to change
with this group of voters.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I would assume they had this, they they broached this
conversation before they made this decision, That's what I would say.
And maybe, in fact, maybe the conversation came from those
writers and those voters to begin with. Maybe that's why
it even is a conversation. I mean, when you really
think about it, Charlie Hustle did is much for baseball,
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maybe more than what pretty much any other player. I mean,
in the history and the annals of what he was
able to accomplish, He's probably up there with the greatest
of all times, the great And it's not even it's
not right. It's not seven time, seventeen time All Star
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won the World Series. My whole thing is is if
you're going to jump on this dude's head about gambling,
he should be a subpar player. That player is doing
things where it's like, yeah, you're gonna get this band,
You're not doing anything great for our game, and you
know it could be considered that you're doing this so
(36:13):
that you can get paid versus what Pete Rose did
you can't say. Seventeen time All Star, three time World
Series Champ, NL, MVP World Series, MVP NL Rookie of
the Year, which means he did it from day one.
Two time Golden Gloves, Silver Slugger Award, Roberto Clemente Award,
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Batting Champion Award, like they retired his number. He's in
Cincinnati's Hall of Fame. I just you know, to me,
if the dude was averaged, you ban them. Nobody cares.
But the fact that he was so brilliant in his
career makes it such a large conversation. And you know,
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it's said that it took that man passing away for
the conversation to take place. To remove the band, like,
it seems like it's empty calories to me on this scenario,
I don't like it, but I'm glad they did remove it.
But to do it now, I mean, it's insequential to
me for them to do it now.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
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Speaker 2 (38:06):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly all.
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Right, lead to laugh, who's got what?
Speaker 4 (38:18):
As we do each and every week, we start with
the good and this week we got var delivering the goods.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
I'm going with the NBA playoffs and and seeing it
kind of unfold the way that it is. I think
that we we at least will have a good game
moving forward tonight with with the the Nuggets and and
the Timberwolves. But I think that it's setting the stage
for a thunder Wolves Wolves game, so that to me,
(38:49):
that's good. And then seeing the Knicks play make it
this far that I'm I'm pretty happy about that too,
So I say that that's my goods that you got
some teams that that are advanced that it'd be interesting
to see some of this new talent.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Can't have good without the bad. Brady, what was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
The leaks of the NFL schedule release? Come on, you
figure out the combine, You figured out the draft, figure
out something for the schedule release. Let them leaking out
with different networks doing different things and then different teams
posting stuff on social media. We can make this a
bigger event. They've got to figure out how to make
this more consolidated and a better way of advertising some
(39:30):
of their biggest.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Scams from bad to words. Jonas, what was ugly? I mean,
it just happened a short time ago. My attempt to
pronounce andre Yosi Bosh's name. I don't even know what
happened there.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's I think I was closer than you by the.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Way you were No. I mean, it's just it's it's
unprofessional and I want to apologize to the entire Yosie Bosh.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Family were saying that out
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Lee can say it
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