May 28, 2025 • 37 mins
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It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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What's that you're battling? Book? I don't know.
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I just better off whispering.
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But nonetheless, there is apparently a problem when it comes
to the NFL Draft that I was unaware of that
this was a thing until Brady had pointed it out.
But the second round picks of the draft, there's only
two that have been signed, So two of the thirty
two have signed and are ready to go and good
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to go for the season, and apparently we're handed out
guaranteed contracts which may or may not have an impact
on the other thirty that are currently not signed. What
is the problem that some of these agents are facing
when it comes to how this is playing out?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Because is this different? I don't recall this happening before.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No, it hasn't happened before.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's what makes it really interesting is based on the
new draft salary pool, the first round is the only
round that has been given out guaranteed contracts. So this
year one of the things that surprised some people was
early on a couple of second round picks were able
to get guaranteed contracts, which then it sends a message
to the rest of the league a few different things.
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Players are pushing for it. Right if you think about
it in the college level now, oftentimes those guys sign
a deal for a year or two years or whatever
it is, that money's coming to them as long as
they perform it in a way it's it's somewhat guaranteed.
There's different clauses within it. They're much more wise and
at tune with how these contracts work. So the players
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and the parents are probably pushing the agent for it.
The agent now, especially since a couple have been done
that are fully guaranteed. This then puts more pressure on
other agents within that round to say, well, those guys
got it, why can't we get it? The other teams
have already set the precedent. So what's interesting about this
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is is how this all came about. I don't know
if the NFLPA has been pushing for this, and find
there's some players and agents who have said, this is
what we're going to try to negotiate into your contract.
We're gonna try to get this thing fully guaranteed, and
we're gonna try to make it so it's not just
the first round, it's now the second round that's that's
fully guaranteed, which would be a big step in the
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NFL pushing to try to get fully guaranteed deals like
the NBA, like the NHL, like Major League Baseball. And
then people will push back and say, well, they don't
have fully guaranteed deals. The vast majority do, so stop
stop that argument there. The vast majority do. Are there
two way contracts? Are there other contracts that maybe aren't
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to that level, of course, but the vast majority of
contracts in those leagues are guaranteed. NFL players they talk
about wanting that, but they haven't really known how to
get there unless they are in a position where they
have leverage and they have the ability to go negotiate
that in free agency, because the rookie draft salary pool
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has never been that outside of the first round, so
that had to be collectively bar And then now as
we push on into the second round, now that you're
starting to see some players get fully guaranteed deals, the
rest of the second round is they're all sitting there.
I mean, if you're an agent, if you're an agent
and you've got two of the players that have signed
fully guaranteed deals, not only are you having to deal
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with the teams and you're saying, well, other teams in
the league have already done this, So whatever we're supposed
to be making, like, that's what we're going to make
and it's to be fully guaranteed. And that's what you're
saying to your team that drafted your your client, your
probably your your player, and the players sitting there saying
I hire you to be able to negotiate this sort
of deal, and are you telling me you can't give
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me what those two guys got, maybe I should fire
you and go hire that guys my agent. So that's
the conversations that are being had right now with whoever
agent you know, whoever's agent that is for all these
players now in the second round. But I imagine it's going
to take some time before a lot of these guys
get signed, or they're gonna have to, you know, concede
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and say, all right, maybe my deal is not fully guaranteed,
but ninety percent of it or ninety five percent of it,
which looks like you're taking a step back, or it
looks like your agent didn't do as good of a job.
So that's the conundrum right now that the second round
draft picks are in because they all want to go
and play. I mean, just so everyone understands out there,
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every player wants to go and play. The problem is
is there's an extreme risk to all of it, not
only you know, your your physical injury, but your career too,
and not having the type of deal in place that
provide you some financial security. So there's no reason to
judge these young men who haven't agreed upon terms that
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are being born into the NFL and trying to do
the best they can to navigate this league so they'll
get sorted out. But the two early on contracts that
were signed that were fully guaranteed in the second round,
that's what's led us to this point where it's it
might be a while before we see the entire second
round draft or that second round I'll have draft picks
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all signed.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Who are those players the two that signed the fully guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Jayden Higgins and Carson Schwesssinger from the Browns.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I just I'm curious. Is I don't know those names,
by the way, so I don't know. Is that more
of a franchise decision or is it a worth decision?
Is it the worth of the player They value the
player at that level to do that type of contract
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at the time that they did it, or you know,
is it just something that they they do as I
would be curious. Is that what they do with their
draft picks that they take at that point.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I don't know it has anything really to do with that, honest.
I mean, Jaden Higgins is a really good wide receiver
out of Iowa State. People thought he might have gone
in the first round, so it was a bit surprised
that you maybe slid to the second However, really good players,
so I guess you could say there's some value there.
But you know, Carson Schwushinger, who the Browns took at
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the top of the second round, he's a linebacker. That's
not usually a position that you attribute to, you know,
putting a bunch.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Of guaranteed money into.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
But I think they they believe he's not only can
start for their defense, it was a need for their defense,
a guy who's going to impact special teams as well,
so that there's a lot of, you know, ways in
which you can help out the roster. I don't know,
from like an analytical standpoint, I had anything to do
with that. I think this is the direction that the
NFLPA and a lot of a lot of agents are
trying to go. And one of the reasons why a
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lot of players and agents, I should say we're probably
more agents haven't pushed for the idea of fully guaranteed
deals is because the dollars aren't going to look as big.
I mean, that's just the truth of the matter. You know,
not many guys are able to have a two hundred
and thirty million dollar fully guaranteed five year deal like
Deshaun Watson, and so all the deals that were signed
you know after that didn't stand up to his contract
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because there is only a certain percentage or only two
or three years of guarantees within that contract. So because
of that, that never really allows the deal to be
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Which when it's fully.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Guaranteed, you've got an ownership that has to be invested
into that player. Now, how things have gone in Cleveland
would make you think that owners wouldn't want to do that,
which is what makes it even more interesting that the
thirty third pick is signed for a fully guaranteed deal
in the second round, which is precedent said it by
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Jimmy Hasselm. So not only are owners upset with Jimmy
Haslm for the deal he gave to Shaun Watson at
the time at which he gave it to him, where
many would make the case based off off the field
issues and hadn't played and all those things that led
to it that he didn't deserve it. Now he's giving
a five year, fully guaranteed deal that other owners are saying,
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hold on a second weak wink nod, nod, We agreed
not to do this right, like we do a three
year deal because Kirk Cousins did that and a lot
of these five or six year extensions. They've got about
three years of guarantees for the quarterback, so that's not
that big of a deal to us. But now we're
gonna be a five year, fully guaranteed deal. I mean,
old on, Jimmy, you're on an island on that one.
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And now they do this to the second round. So
everyone's looking at it saying wait a second, which makes
even more interesting. I'd have to look. I don't know
if Quinn Sean Juggins is signed, but he was the
thirty six pick for the Browns, So is his deal.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Going to be fully guaranteed?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Because if you're his representation, you're saying to the Browns, well,
wait a second.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Didn't you just.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Sign my boy Carson to a fully guaranteed deal? Why
I'm not getting that deal only three picks after him
or four picks after him?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean it is I didn't even put two and
two together that well, So Jimmy hasm's giving out this
guaranteed contract as well too. I wonder if they presented
the option to them as Oh, here we go with
the guaranteed contract again, Like, no, no, no, but it's only
going to be eleven point eight million.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Oh yeah, that's fine. Yeah, as long as it's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Not that two thirty I did a few years ago
at that weirdo, everything should be fine here.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean, that's not a small number, but it isn't
a big number either, which is kind of weird to say.
But eleven million is a lot of money to guarantee.
But you know what you're getting in the draft because
they're slotted picks, right, you already know ahead of time
what you're going to pay the guy based upon the
position and the pick. That's kind of how it is now.
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So you know, I don't know that there's going to
be tremendous pressure for the organizations to now start doing
guaranteed contracts. What what would be the pressure, what would
force what would force other owners to do it? I mean,
I'm not going to look at another owner and be like, Okay,
if Jimmy Haslam wants to do a guarantee contract for
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a second rounder, then do it. That's that's your prerogative.
But we're not going to do it that way. Like
what I mean, I don't feel like they would feel
pressure off of that. What what would lead to that
becoming a new standard? Why would that become a new standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Because they're the player won't sign, right, the player won't sign,
the agent won't tell them to do the deal. I mean,
that's where it again, it gets really interesting with the
tactics of all this. So if there's a snowball effect
and every single pick after the top two they got
fully guaranteed, don't sign and they stay united in this,
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that's how you make, you know, improvement on it. And
your counter argument is exactly what Jonah said. You knew
what this would cost you. You knew what would cost
you in totality, and now you're telling us that you
don't want to pay that in fully guaranteed and it's
not that big of a contract. Like, Jimmy, this is argument, right, Jimmy,
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you already guarantee a guy two in thirty million. You
want to guarantee eleven million. Like, what's what's the difference there? Oh,
there's a difference, a big difference. And so that's why
it's like, if you're willing to guarantee that, why when
you're willing to guarantee this, and you've already done it
for a player, like the precedent's setting of doing it
for one player in the draft that's three picks before him,
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and not doing for the next guy. That's what gets interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think it sounds interesting to think that to say
that players won't sign because that's a risky deal. I
feel like that's you. You're you're risking things that way.
And if guys are brave enough to stand in there
and say we're going to stand together, which I can't say.
I knew a whole bunch of guys that I got
drafted with, I knew who they were as people, But
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your business, your business. I don't think I talked to
any of the guys I got drafted with about, you know,
what they had going on contractually. So how would you
even get to a point of where it's like, you
know what, let's band together and let's all not signed, Like,
how would that even that? It sounds like it would
be easier said than to be executed. What do you
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mean they have NFLPA meetings.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I mean they're part of the union now, so it's
not hard to think that the union when say to
these guys, hey, this is one of the methods we're
gonna use to try to get two more guaranteed contracts,
where if we could keep chipping away as subsequent rounds,
because once you get the second round done, then it
leads to the third round, and once you get a
few players in the third round, it leaves the third round.
Then it goes you know, you know, a spot spotifter spot.
(13:36):
Now there will come a breaking point at some point,
but that would be the strategy that they would try
to take. And I gotta be honest with you, it's
it's one of the better moves.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Like talk from.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Owner's perspective, but you're not an owner, So I'm talking
from the player's perspective of the agent's perspective, and.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think that I want to speak them from a
player's perspective, not an owner's perspective. I'm saying, I don't
want to be the example of the one time where
it didn't go the way it was supposed to go.
Like I don't know that you've got a bad AFLPA.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Then you've got a bad agent and you and then
the NFLPA. Would you could take it up with them,
because they're they're most they're most likely the ones directing
you to do this, and on top of that, they're
not negotiating the value of the contract. Just to be
very very clear, the value of the contract is already done. Again,
those monies are allocated, they're part of their cap everything else,
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it's just about guaranteeing those monies, which really comes down
to like an insurance policy in essence, like that's what
really comes down to is is this team willing to take,
you know, and be willing to risk that guaranteed money
in that player for the next four years.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's the age old conversation of the whole idea of
guaranteed versus you have to be on the team in
order to get the money. If it's if you know
what you're going to pay. But you know, if you
know what you're going to pay a guy and it's
not guaranteed and there you let them go, then that
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guy isn't going to make that money.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So they could try to know what you sure he's
not gonna make No, he's gonna make that money. They
can cut him. But if he's guaranteed, he's gonna make
that money.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
If not, the thing is, if it's not guaranteed.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Sure that he's not going to and then and that's fine,
but we can't say that again, you're talking from the
owner's perspective.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Value.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
It is because because the value of the contract, the
total value of the contract they're going to sign, is
the exact same. It doesn't matter if.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's a game not receive all of that. But that's
that's in retroceive all of it that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's in retrospect. That's like, well, if he gets hurt
in year two too, he's going to receive all of it.
That's probably an injury split. Right, So that's in retrospect.
I'm just saying when they've signed the.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Value, there's still a difference in the value.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
If it's a fully there's not on day on day one,
it's not because on day one when they sign it,
it's the same value on paper. Now they have to
go earn it, right, they have to be Therefore, to
your point, Hell, they could sign a fully guaranteed deal
on the d team the drafted them might not even
be paying them. They could get traded in another team
ends up paying them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right, but they have to be paid that money if
it's fully guaranteed. Sure, Sure, So that makes the value
of the contract different.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Well, and sure in your mind, if that's how you
want to place value on it, sure, yeah, live in it.
The total number that's stated on the contract is going
to be saying regardless, there's just whether or not there's
guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
If you're telling me, I don't want to keep arguing it.
I get what you're saying. I understand what.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying too. I'm just saying
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get. I mean,
these players are obviously.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
What I'm getting at is is that if I know
what the value of the pick is going into it
because it's already slotted, there's no reason for me to
guarantee it, because that now becomes more value added to
that contract in terms of I have to I am
on the hook for paying that amount of money in
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full versus if I just do the contract the way
that it is. Yeah, the year three, I may get
the year three and not at this moment, I'm talking
from from what I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Saying, you're taking the owner's perspective on it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, I just I want to be able
to get from underneath this player, and and why would
I guarantee a kid in the second round, third round
if well.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Because they're still offsets, right, Like, if you trade a
guy and their money is guaranteed to him, another team
absorbs that contract, so you're not necessarily, you know, paying
for that just because it's guaranteed. If you end up
trading him and he's got that in his contract, another
team's absorbing that contract and there could be offsets with
other teams paying it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It does make sense.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I just that'd be that, that'd be your workaround. You
just put within the fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
If I have the value of actually doing that, then
that's a player that I'm most likely won on my team.
So I guess that then the value is I got
them at the guaranteed price that I have on Matt.
But I don't know why I would want to guarantee that,
just me thinking out loud. Why would I Why would
I switch up to say it, I'm gonna guarantee the
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whole entire contract when I'm looking at it like I
want to keep this second round draft pick motivated to
prove themselves, or something might happen on the roster where
another player ends up being better and I don't even
need this guy.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Maybe, Yeah, there's Look, we could go down the rabbit
hole of hypotheticals all day long, right, and I think
you can even make the case, well, I don't want
to pay this first round pick all this guaranteed money.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right, Like, what would then that makes legitimized to understand that?
But but yeah, it would still be a conversation.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
And in my rebuttal to that would be the real
money's made in the second contract. The real money's made
after you play out. Then Oh, there you go. So
there's a motivation one hundred so the general So again,
you could talk in circles around it. Sound like Pete Prisco.
I'm just saying the reality of what's happening in the
second round.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Do that my tank is real. I don't know what
you're saying.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
All I'm saying is the reality of what's happening in
the second round is this push to guarantee these contracts.
And the one person who I think has made it
most complicated is Jimmy Haslam because he's already guaranteed one
of the guys in the first round, and he's already
got another guy in the second round who's going to
be looking for the same thing. So you would think logically,
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if he did one three picks later, he's going to
do the next one, and that's going to set a
precedent along with what's happened with thirty three thirty four,
and it will subsequently happen. So I'm happy for the players.
I'm glad they're getting these guaranteed contracts. This is actually
a good step in the right direction for the NFLPA.
I'm for the players, always trying to be for the players,
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and I think these agents are in a really tough
spot because if you think about the job of an agent,
when they charge a percentage of what they're going to
make off these deals, they have to be able to
justify their existence. So EXAs if someone presented the argument
that if the value of the contract, whether it's guaranteed
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fully or not, is the value of the contract on paper,
wouldn't part of the value that the agents providing for
their fee be fully guaranteeing that contract. So that's where
this kind of comes into play too, with the agents
being a part of this trying to carve out the
value they provide to their client. Otherwise you'd sit there
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and say, as a player, why should I go with
an agent at all? Why wouldn't I just use an
attorney to go look at the deal and look at
what the guy made last year and go handle the contract.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's what they should do.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But well, but and here's and and here's the conversation
is that's what these agencies are now pushing for because
there's only so many things they can negotiate. So if
you're gonna pay the agent a percentage, you might as
well then push for getting a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And then their value agents are doing. They're not taking
money out of a first contracts either, though they're deferring
to take no no, no, no, no no no. Some
are doing that.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Subsid have made a standard of taking it out of
the first because they didn't do any in college. By
the way, that's happening too.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think Rachel Luba, who was Trevor Bauer's agent, that
was one of their philosophies was why should we continue
to get paid every year that new money hits on
a contract. If I'm negotiating the contract once I get
paid once baseball player, Yeah, yeah, And so that was
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that was one of their arguments. You know, back then,
and it should be you know, credit to Chris Cabot,
who's Jaden Higgins agent.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
This has got to be a feather in his cap.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean to be able to go in there, get
the first guaranteed contract for a second rounder and kind
of set the precedent like that, Hey, this is how
I operate, This is how this works, and get them
eleven million.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Plus guarantee, set the standard.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What do you mean one's already following on, followed along.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'm just saying, David Mullagata give him the Credit's got
to take all of the credit. I got you because
he puts the athletes first.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's a part of athletes first. I believe. What's that?
He is a part of the athletes first. I believe. Yeah,
he puts the athletes first. Of course he does. You
know that was the point?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, gotta be uh putting everything first,
like back pain.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You got back that.
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So there's a little carousel going on in the world
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of college football on the coaching ranks, and apparently there's
a lot of turnover. Somebody who's there one minute or
one year apparently is not there the next. And it
feels like coaching staffs, not just the head coaches, but
coaching staffs around college football there braden are moving and
shaking when it comes to well.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, so over the last four years, there's a study
that was done and sixty three on field coaches have
changed jobs. Okay, just in the past two years, we've
seen sixty one programs within the FBS level, there's one
hundred and thirty four teams, that's about forty five percent
have made a change at head coach. So we're already
(24:53):
seeing the I guess ramifications of NIL, the transfer portal
coaches who are trying to leave to go be in
other positions where they're coaching with less responsibilities, they move
on to the NFL level. The one thing that's been
good in all of this change has been at least
coaches at lower levels have been able to move up.
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So we've seen a number of increases and coaches being
hired from the FCS level to the FBS level, or
even Division two, Division three NAIA to FBS level, and
even at the high school to FBS level. So you're
seeing younger coaches from lower levels coming up with a
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lot of these different programs, these bigger programs and getting
an opportunity. So I guess there's a bright spot there now.
The cause and effects most likely NIL being allowed at
the high school level in some places where these coaches
at the high school level kind of prove themselves and
their ability at private schools all over to be able
to recruit, facilitate all these things and not being beneficial
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and improving their value there probably looks beneficial to an
FBS program, but it's definitely been a tumultuous you know,
four years or so as far as all the changes
that we've seen on the field with head coaches, assistant coaches,
and how it's impacted universities. So it's kind of crazy
(26:22):
when you take into account all the changes within the
coaching staffs, and then you take into account the college
football calendar and how chaotic it's become with the transfer portal,
two different windows for that, an early signing period that
hits in December January, and on top of that, an
expanded season with they expanded college football playoffs. So a
(26:42):
lot has been thrown the plate of these head coaches
at the college football level, but also all the coaches
that are on those staffs now who are tasked with
not even what the on field product looks like, but
making sure they're still recruiting. There's still evaluating kids at
the high school and college level, making sure there's still
going to class everything that goes along with that.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's a lot. So that's a lot, man.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
If you're if you're a head coach, so now you
it's recruiting, it's ni l re recruiting your own players
so they don't leave to go elsewhere, and then having
to replenish your staff if they decide to go elsewhere
every single offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Because that's yeah, that's what's happening. I mean, you look
at I just look no further than Penn State. You
look at what's taking place there over the last few years.
I mean, you know, we had Brent Pry who was
an amazing defensive coordinator for our team. Love Brent Pray.
He ends up going to Virginia Tech. You know, We're
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able to bring in Manny Diaz. Manny Diaz does an
amazing job. He ends up going to Duke, you know,
and now we we we we end up now having
a coach for a year that wants to go back
home and be close to his family, apparently, the report says,
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and he goes and takes a job with Clemson. Right,
So we had we've had three defensive coordinators over what
the last four to five years of time, and now
we have a new one this year. And what we
have with in Knowles, And I mean, we took him
(28:25):
away from Ohio State. You know, I felt good about that.
We took cold and Niki because we needed an offensive coordinator.
We took him away from where he was at. But
then you see, we get hit, right, then they take
Jay one sider away from us, and that's Notre Dame
that took him from from our school. So it just
looking no further than Penn State in terms of like
(28:48):
what this coaching landscape looks like. That musical chairs thing
is very real. I feel like the thing that it
makes me wonder the most is when you look at
what football, college football has represented. It's represented tradition, it's
(29:09):
represented legacy, It's represented so many different things. And maybe
I'm I'm you know, I'm guess I'm spoilt because I
did have the same coaches the entire time. You know,
I look at guys for generation after generation. I could
go back and my teammates they had the same you know,
(29:29):
my alumni they had to say Letterman, they had the
same coaches. And it just seems interesting because to me,
it's the pride of everybody who's involved as to what
really really drives college football. And I don't I think
that that's now coming to an end. I don't think
that you're going to have those those emotions and those
(29:52):
feelings like like old school, old time quarterback or excuse me,
coaches for the schools what they want had because everybody's
on the move so quickly, and so now it's like,
what is the what is the collective identity of these teams? Now?
What is the collective belief of these teams? If coaches
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are moving so often. Now, granted, we have our head coach,
so that culture is the culture based upon him being
there so long, But I mean for a lot of
these schools that isn't the case. Guys are on the move,
and you could have a head coach that respects you,
that recruited you, and you buy into their values, and
they could be gone in the next season, and now
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you got to deal with a coach that didn't recruit you,
didn't bring you in. You guys might not fall or
align on the same values, and sometimes it doesn't align
with the school. I think it creates a lot of
interesting scenarios and dynamics because I don't know, it seems
like everybody's best interest is their own best interest in
today's new college football college sports. Maybe you know the
(31:03):
world of it in NIL, I want to get paid.
Maybe not directly connected to NIL, but a lot of
it has to do with that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and luggly all.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Right, lead to laugh, who's got what?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good news, and you know it's a good week
because Brady Quinn is delivering the goods.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Holy crap, full name call, shout out there. And on
top of it, I get the good.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
This is awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I never get this opportity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Great week.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
It's a great week. What was good, maybe better than good,
was the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
They did a full thorough investigation after some racist accusations
were made during the Chicago sky it had a fever game.
They found there was no racism, so we've got that.
It was a competitive game. It was a fun game
to watch for those that watched. It's unfortunate that the
sort of thing came about after the fact. However, after
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a thorough investigation, there's been nothing founded whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So that is good.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
That's good this week?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Oh yeah, well you can't have good without the bad. Jonas,
what was bad this week?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
The WNBA coverage. I'm sorry, man, I don't get it.
I don't understand every single story attached to that league
has something to do other than basketball highlights or and
I really don't know who's responsible for pushing out that stuff.
I don't know who's responsible for getting the messaging going
(33:39):
when it comes to the WNBA, but it's awful.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's a racist chant.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
It's some sort of a backlash because somebody doesn't like
so and so Caitlin Clark's injury.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Which, by the way, we talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
The ticket prices are just dropping drastically for games that
she's now not going to appear in because she's got
this injury, Britney Griner, all all the other things that
go along with it. None of it is about the highlights.
None of it is about the great plays. It's all
the messaging about all the other stuff either on the
court that are said because people are bitter about the
coverage Kaitlyn Clark gets or Ryan Clark and by the way,
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no relation to Kaitlyn Clark for those wondering Ryan Clark
and RG three going. Nothing about the game, everything about
the drama.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's my bad for the week. That is bad, But
can it get worse? LeVar?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
What was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean, what's ugly and what's worse is I'm going
to just continue to piggyback off of that, because that
was what I was thinking. I just hate that the
storylines that continue to surround the WNBA have maybe made
people force them to choose sides, and there's no reason
to celebrate the athletes. Celebrate competition, celebrates your team, you know,
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and let it be that. But you know, Caitlyn Clark
got cats out here attacking people's families. People said that
they're not qualified to talk about different different races of women.
I mean, I just didn't know that basketball could actually
lead to, you know, people crashing out to the tune
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of what we've seen crashouts take place. I mean, we've
seen three apology videos since then and all kinds of
different things. It's like two or three. I don't know,
I lost count, but you know who, I just I
just think that it's just kind of you know, heart
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fouls are heart fouls. If it's flagrant, great, Nobody's going
to be talking about a heart foul as much as
they've talked about with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reaves being involved,
which is crazy because heart fouls happen, flagrants happen, These
things happen. It's sports trash. Talk happens. Like if I
could tell you how many times I heard, you know,
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gatory terms during the course of the game. I mean,
come on, like now, all of a sudden, we've gotten
so sensitive. So I just you know, I think it's
pretty ugly the way that it's been covered, and it
seems so divisive and so chaotic. Just just give them
an opportunity to to be able to play out this season.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Also another bad for the week, I'd like to throw
this in there, the fact that the Labs started a
beer but didn't finish it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I feel like, yeah, that's not good for the brand.
Come on, Lee, there's an expectation on this show and
from our fan base for you. You finish what you start.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You finish what you start late. You know, where's that
beer right there? You know what?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
That's fair. It's in my fridge right now under the Yeah,
I know, you break a flat beer when you get home.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I am indeed, Yeah, because he doesn't waste alcohol. That's
that's a true that's a true lead to labor.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know, we used to call it, is it a
freshy or a bedstand? You know what's what's your first
beer of the day is it a fresh one or
is it on the is it from the beds tim
from the night before?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Wait, you do that, you'll drink the beer that's on
the night I have done that.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I have done that. Yeah, actually I checked to make
sure there's not a bug or there's something in there
that may have flew in there. A second.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You're doing it right when you get home too?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Oh yeah, I've already been thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Of course, that's crazy. Who needs a nap? You know,
forget breakfast, it's my energy drinking. I got work to do.
I mean, what beer was it? If we're you know,
is it an mg D or you know?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
It was an ultra And I think that's why I
didn't finish.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It wasn't a fan, okay, Usually
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Speaker 1 (00:54):
What's that you're battling? Book? I don't know.
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I just better off whispering.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
But nonetheless, there is apparently a problem when it comes
to the NFL Draft that I was unaware of that
this was a thing until Brady had pointed it out.
But the second round picks of the draft, there's only
two that have been signed, So two of the thirty
two have signed and are ready to go and good
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to go for the season, and apparently we're handed out
guaranteed contracts which may or may not have an impact
on the other thirty that are currently not signed. What
is the problem that some of these agents are facing
when it comes to how this is playing out?
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Because is this different? I don't recall this happening before.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
No, it hasn't happened before.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
That's what makes it really interesting is based on the
new draft salary pool, the first round is the only
round that has been given out guaranteed contracts. So this
year one of the things that surprised some people was
early on a couple of second round picks were able
to get guaranteed contracts, which then it sends a message
to the rest of the league a few different things.
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Players are pushing for it. Right if you think about
it in the college level now, oftentimes those guys sign
a deal for a year or two years or whatever
it is, that money's coming to them as long as
they perform it in a way it's it's somewhat guaranteed.
There's different clauses within it. They're much more wise and
at tune with how these contracts work. So the players
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and the parents are probably pushing the agent for it.
The agent now, especially since a couple have been done
that are fully guaranteed. This then puts more pressure on
other agents within that round to say, well, those guys
got it, why can't we get it? The other teams
have already set the precedent. So what's interesting about this
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is is how this all came about. I don't know
if the NFLPA has been pushing for this, and find
there's some players and agents who have said, this is
what we're going to try to negotiate into your contract.
We're gonna try to get this thing fully guaranteed, and
we're gonna try to make it so it's not just
the first round, it's now the second round that's that's
fully guaranteed, which would be a big step in the
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NFL pushing to try to get fully guaranteed deals like
the NBA, like the NHL, like Major League Baseball. And
then people will push back and say, well, they don't
have fully guaranteed deals. The vast majority do, so stop
stop that argument there. The vast majority do. Are there
two way contracts? Are there other contracts that maybe aren't
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to that level, of course, but the vast majority of
contracts in those leagues are guaranteed. NFL players they talk
about wanting that, but they haven't really known how to
get there unless they are in a position where they
have leverage and they have the ability to go negotiate
that in free agency, because the rookie draft salary pool
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has never been that outside of the first round, so
that had to be collectively bar And then now as
we push on into the second round, now that you're
starting to see some players get fully guaranteed deals, the
rest of the second round is they're all sitting there.
I mean, if you're an agent, if you're an agent
and you've got two of the players that have signed
fully guaranteed deals, not only are you having to deal
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with the teams and you're saying, well, other teams in
the league have already done this, So whatever we're supposed
to be making, like, that's what we're going to make
and it's to be fully guaranteed. And that's what you're
saying to your team that drafted your your client, your
probably your your player, and the players sitting there saying
I hire you to be able to negotiate this sort
of deal, and are you telling me you can't give
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me what those two guys got, maybe I should fire
you and go hire that guys my agent. So that's
the conversations that are being had right now with whoever
agent you know, whoever's agent that is for all these
players now in the second round. But I imagine it's going
to take some time before a lot of these guys
get signed, or they're gonna have to, you know, concede
(05:02):
and say, all right, maybe my deal is not fully guaranteed,
but ninety percent of it or ninety five percent of it,
which looks like you're taking a step back, or it
looks like your agent didn't do as good of a job.
So that's the conundrum right now that the second round
draft picks are in because they all want to go
and play. I mean, just so everyone understands out there,
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every player wants to go and play. The problem is
is there's an extreme risk to all of it, not
only you know, your your physical injury, but your career too,
and not having the type of deal in place that
provide you some financial security. So there's no reason to
judge these young men who haven't agreed upon terms that
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are being born into the NFL and trying to do
the best they can to navigate this league so they'll
get sorted out. But the two early on contracts that
were signed that were fully guaranteed in the second round,
that's what's led us to this point where it's it
might be a while before we see the entire second
round draft or that second round I'll have draft picks
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all signed.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Who are those players the two that signed the fully guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Jayden Higgins and Carson Schwesssinger from the Browns.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I just I'm curious. Is I don't know those names,
by the way, so I don't know. Is that more
of a franchise decision or is it a worth decision?
Is it the worth of the player They value the
player at that level to do that type of contract
(06:41):
at the time that they did it, or you know,
is it just something that they they do as I
would be curious. Is that what they do with their
draft picks that they take at that point.
Speaker 5 (06:57):
I don't know it has anything really to do with that, honest.
I mean, Jaden Higgins is a really good wide receiver
out of Iowa State. People thought he might have gone
in the first round, so it was a bit surprised
that you maybe slid to the second However, really good players,
so I guess you could say there's some value there.
But you know, Carson Schwushinger, who the Browns took at
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the top of the second round, he's a linebacker. That's
not usually a position that you attribute to, you know,
putting a bunch.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Of guaranteed money into.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
But I think they they believe he's not only can
start for their defense, it was a need for their defense,
a guy who's going to impact special teams as well,
so that there's a lot of, you know, ways in
which you can help out the roster. I don't know,
from like an analytical standpoint, I had anything to do
with that. I think this is the direction that the
NFLPA and a lot of a lot of agents are
trying to go. And one of the reasons why a
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lot of players and agents, I should say we're probably
more agents haven't pushed for the idea of fully guaranteed
deals is because the dollars aren't going to look as big.
I mean, that's just the truth of the matter. You know,
not many guys are able to have a two hundred
and thirty million dollar fully guaranteed five year deal like
Deshaun Watson, and so all the deals that were signed
you know after that didn't stand up to his contract
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because there is only a certain percentage or only two
or three years of guarantees within that contract. So because
of that, that never really allows the deal to be
fully guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Which when it's fully.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
Guaranteed, you've got an ownership that has to be invested
into that player. Now, how things have gone in Cleveland
would make you think that owners wouldn't want to do that,
which is what makes it even more interesting that the
thirty third pick is signed for a fully guaranteed deal
in the second round, which is precedent said it by
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Jimmy Hasselm. So not only are owners upset with Jimmy
Haslm for the deal he gave to Shaun Watson at
the time at which he gave it to him, where
many would make the case based off off the field
issues and hadn't played and all those things that led
to it that he didn't deserve it. Now he's giving
a five year, fully guaranteed deal that other owners are saying,
(09:08):
hold on a second weak wink nod, nod, We agreed
not to do this right, like we do a three
year deal because Kirk Cousins did that and a lot
of these five or six year extensions. They've got about
three years of guarantees for the quarterback, so that's not
that big of a deal to us. But now we're
gonna be a five year, fully guaranteed deal. I mean,
old on, Jimmy, you're on an island on that one.
(09:29):
And now they do this to the second round. So
everyone's looking at it saying wait a second, which makes
even more interesting. I'd have to look. I don't know
if Quinn Sean Juggins is signed, but he was the
thirty six pick for the Browns, So is his deal.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Going to be fully guaranteed?
Speaker 5 (09:43):
Because if you're his representation, you're saying to the Browns, well,
wait a second.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Didn't you just.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Sign my boy Carson to a fully guaranteed deal? Why
I'm not getting that deal only three picks after him
or four picks after him?
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Excuse me?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I mean it is I didn't even put two and
two together that well, So Jimmy hasm's giving out this
guaranteed contract as well too. I wonder if they presented
the option to them as Oh, here we go with
the guaranteed contract again, Like, no, no, no, but it's only
going to be eleven point eight million.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Oh yeah, that's fine. Yeah, as long as it's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Not that two thirty I did a few years ago
at that weirdo, everything should be fine here.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
I mean, that's not a small number, but it isn't
a big number either, which is kind of weird to say.
But eleven million is a lot of money to guarantee.
But you know what you're getting in the draft because
they're slotted picks, right, you already know ahead of time
what you're going to pay the guy based upon the
position and the pick. That's kind of how it is now.
(10:41):
So you know, I don't know that there's going to
be tremendous pressure for the organizations to now start doing
guaranteed contracts. What what would be the pressure, what would
force what would force other owners to do it? I mean,
I'm not going to look at another owner and be like, Okay,
if Jimmy Haslam wants to do a guarantee contract for
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a second rounder, then do it. That's that's your prerogative.
But we're not going to do it that way. Like
what I mean, I don't feel like they would feel
pressure off of that. What what would lead to that
becoming a new standard? Why would that become a new standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Because they're the player won't sign, right, the player won't sign,
the agent won't tell them to do the deal. I mean,
that's where it again, it gets really interesting with the
tactics of all this. So if there's a snowball effect
and every single pick after the top two they got
fully guaranteed, don't sign and they stay united in this,
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that's how you make, you know, improvement on it. And
your counter argument is exactly what Jonah said. You knew
what this would cost you. You knew what would cost
you in totality, and now you're telling us that you
don't want to pay that in fully guaranteed and it's
not that big of a contract. Like, Jimmy, this is argument, right, Jimmy,
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you already guarantee a guy two in thirty million. You
want to guarantee eleven million. Like, what's what's the difference there? Oh,
there's a difference, a big difference. And so that's why
it's like, if you're willing to guarantee that, why when
you're willing to guarantee this, and you've already done it
for a player, like the precedent's setting of doing it
for one player in the draft that's three picks before him,
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and not doing for the next guy. That's what gets interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I think it sounds interesting to think that to say
that players won't sign because that's a risky deal. I
feel like that's you. You're you're risking things that way.
And if guys are brave enough to stand in there
and say we're going to stand together, which I can't say.
I knew a whole bunch of guys that I got
drafted with, I knew who they were as people, But
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your business, your business. I don't think I talked to
any of the guys I got drafted with about, you know,
what they had going on contractually. So how would you
even get to a point of where it's like, you
know what, let's band together and let's all not signed, Like,
how would that even that? It sounds like it would
be easier said than to be executed. What do you
(13:14):
mean they have NFLPA meetings.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
I mean they're part of the union now, so it's
not hard to think that the union when say to
these guys, hey, this is one of the methods we're
gonna use to try to get two more guaranteed contracts,
where if we could keep chipping away as subsequent rounds,
because once you get the second round done, then it
leads to the third round, and once you get a
few players in the third round, it leaves the third round.
Then it goes you know, you know, a spot spotifter spot.
(13:36):
Now there will come a breaking point at some point,
but that would be the strategy that they would try
to take. And I gotta be honest with you, it's
it's one of the better moves.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Like talk from.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Owner's perspective, but you're not an owner, So I'm talking
from the player's perspective of the agent's perspective, and.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I think that I want to speak them from a
player's perspective, not an owner's perspective. I'm saying, I don't
want to be the example of the one time where
it didn't go the way it was supposed to go.
Like I don't know that you've got a bad AFLPA.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Then you've got a bad agent and you and then
the NFLPA. Would you could take it up with them,
because they're they're most they're most likely the ones directing
you to do this, and on top of that, they're
not negotiating the value of the contract. Just to be
very very clear, the value of the contract is already done. Again,
those monies are allocated, they're part of their cap everything else,
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it's just about guaranteeing those monies, which really comes down
to like an insurance policy in essence, like that's what
really comes down to is is this team willing to take,
you know, and be willing to risk that guaranteed money
in that player for the next four years.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's the age old conversation of the whole idea of
guaranteed versus you have to be on the team in
order to get the money. If it's if you know
what you're going to pay. But you know, if you
know what you're going to pay a guy and it's
not guaranteed and there you let them go, then that
(15:04):
guy isn't going to make that money.
Speaker 5 (15:07):
So they could try to know what you sure he's
not gonna make No, he's gonna make that money. They
can cut him. But if he's guaranteed, he's gonna make
that money.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
If not, the thing is, if it's not guaranteed.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
Sure that he's not going to and then and that's fine,
but we can't say that again, you're talking from the
owner's perspective.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Value.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
It is because because the value of the contract, the
total value of the contract they're going to sign, is
the exact same. It doesn't matter if.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
It's a game not receive all of that. But that's
that's in retroceive all of it that.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
That's in retrospect. That's like, well, if he gets hurt
in year two too, he's going to receive all of it.
That's probably an injury split. Right, So that's in retrospect.
I'm just saying when they've signed the.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Value, there's still a difference in the value.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
If it's a fully there's not on day on day one,
it's not because on day one when they sign it,
it's the same value on paper. Now they have to
go earn it, right, they have to be Therefore, to
your point, Hell, they could sign a fully guaranteed deal
on the d team the drafted them might not even
be paying them. They could get traded in another team
ends up paying them.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right, but they have to be paid that money if
it's fully guaranteed. Sure, Sure, So that makes the value
of the contract different.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Well, and sure in your mind, if that's how you
want to place value on it, sure, yeah, live in it.
The total number that's stated on the contract is going
to be saying regardless, there's just whether or not there's
guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
If you're telling me, I don't want to keep arguing it.
I get what you're saying. I understand what.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying too. I'm just saying
I'm not really sure what you're trying to get. I mean,
these players are obviously.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
What I'm getting at is is that if I know
what the value of the pick is going into it
because it's already slotted, there's no reason for me to
guarantee it, because that now becomes more value added to
that contract in terms of I have to I am
on the hook for paying that amount of money in
(17:00):
full versus if I just do the contract the way
that it is. Yeah, the year three, I may get
the year three and not at this moment, I'm talking
from from what I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
Saying, you're taking the owner's perspective on it.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yeah, I mean, I just I want to be able
to get from underneath this player, and and why would
I guarantee a kid in the second round, third round
if well.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Because they're still offsets, right, Like, if you trade a
guy and their money is guaranteed to him, another team
absorbs that contract, so you're not necessarily, you know, paying
for that just because it's guaranteed. If you end up
trading him and he's got that in his contract, another
team's absorbing that contract and there could be offsets with
other teams paying it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
It does make sense.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
I just that'd be that, that'd be your workaround. You
just put within the fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
If I have the value of actually doing that, then
that's a player that I'm most likely won on my team.
So I guess that then the value is I got
them at the guaranteed price that I have on Matt.
But I don't know why I would want to guarantee that,
just me thinking out loud. Why would I Why would
I switch up to say it, I'm gonna guarantee the
(18:11):
whole entire contract when I'm looking at it like I
want to keep this second round draft pick motivated to
prove themselves, or something might happen on the roster where
another player ends up being better and I don't even
need this guy.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Maybe, Yeah, there's Look, we could go down the rabbit
hole of hypotheticals all day long, right, and I think
you can even make the case, well, I don't want
to pay this first round pick all this guaranteed money.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Right, Like, what would then that makes legitimized to understand that?
But but yeah, it would still be a conversation.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
And in my rebuttal to that would be the real
money's made in the second contract. The real money's made
after you play out. Then Oh, there you go. So
there's a motivation one hundred so the general So again,
you could talk in circles around it. Sound like Pete Prisco.
I'm just saying the reality of what's happening in the
second round.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Do that my tank is real. I don't know what
you're saying.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
All I'm saying is the reality of what's happening in
the second round is this push to guarantee these contracts.
And the one person who I think has made it
most complicated is Jimmy Haslam because he's already guaranteed one
of the guys in the first round, and he's already
got another guy in the second round who's going to
be looking for the same thing. So you would think logically,
(19:25):
if he did one three picks later, he's going to
do the next one, and that's going to set a
precedent along with what's happened with thirty three thirty four,
and it will subsequently happen. So I'm happy for the players.
I'm glad they're getting these guaranteed contracts. This is actually
a good step in the right direction for the NFLPA.
I'm for the players, always trying to be for the players,
(19:45):
and I think these agents are in a really tough
spot because if you think about the job of an agent,
when they charge a percentage of what they're going to
make off these deals, they have to be able to
justify their existence. So EXAs if someone presented the argument
that if the value of the contract, whether it's guaranteed
(20:06):
fully or not, is the value of the contract on paper,
wouldn't part of the value that the agents providing for
their fee be fully guaranteeing that contract. So that's where
this kind of comes into play too, with the agents
being a part of this trying to carve out the
value they provide to their client. Otherwise you'd sit there
(20:29):
and say, as a player, why should I go with
an agent at all? Why wouldn't I just use an
attorney to go look at the deal and look at
what the guy made last year and go handle the contract.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
That's what they should do.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
But well, but and here's and and here's the conversation
is that's what these agencies are now pushing for because
there's only so many things they can negotiate. So if
you're gonna pay the agent a percentage, you might as
well then push for getting a fully guaranteed deal.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
And then their value agents are doing. They're not taking
money out of a first contracts either, though they're deferring
to take no no, no, no, no no no. Some
are doing that.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Subsid have made a standard of taking it out of
the first because they didn't do any in college. By
the way, that's happening too.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I think Rachel Luba, who was Trevor Bauer's agent, that
was one of their philosophies was why should we continue
to get paid every year that new money hits on
a contract. If I'm negotiating the contract once I get
paid once baseball player, Yeah, yeah, And so that was
(21:36):
that was one of their arguments. You know, back then,
and it should be you know, credit to Chris Cabot,
who's Jaden Higgins agent.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
This has got to be a feather in his cap.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I mean to be able to go in there, get
the first guaranteed contract for a second rounder and kind
of set the precedent like that, Hey, this is how
I operate, This is how this works, and get them
eleven million.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Plus guarantee, set the standard.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
What do you mean one's already following on, followed along.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I'm just saying, David Mullagata give him the Credit's got
to take all of the credit. I got you because
he puts the athletes first.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
He's a part of athletes first. I believe. What's that?
He is a part of the athletes first. I believe. Yeah,
he puts the athletes first. Of course he does. You
know that was the point?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, all right, yeah, yeah, gotta be uh putting everything first,
like back pain.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
You got back that.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
First, Well, I'll tell you what, You're not gonna have
as much backpen if you had a guaranteed contract, trust me.
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So there's a little carousel going on in the world
(24:08):
of college football on the coaching ranks, and apparently there's
a lot of turnover. Somebody who's there one minute or
one year apparently is not there the next. And it
feels like coaching staffs, not just the head coaches, but
coaching staffs around college football there braden are moving and
shaking when it comes to well.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, so over the last four years, there's a study
that was done and sixty three on field coaches have
changed jobs. Okay, just in the past two years, we've
seen sixty one programs within the FBS level, there's one
hundred and thirty four teams, that's about forty five percent
have made a change at head coach. So we're already
(24:53):
seeing the I guess ramifications of NIL, the transfer portal
coaches who are trying to leave to go be in
other positions where they're coaching with less responsibilities, they move
on to the NFL level. The one thing that's been
good in all of this change has been at least
coaches at lower levels have been able to move up.
(25:16):
So we've seen a number of increases and coaches being
hired from the FCS level to the FBS level, or
even Division two, Division three NAIA to FBS level, and
even at the high school to FBS level. So you're
seeing younger coaches from lower levels coming up with a
(25:37):
lot of these different programs, these bigger programs and getting
an opportunity. So I guess there's a bright spot there now.
The cause and effects most likely NIL being allowed at
the high school level in some places where these coaches
at the high school level kind of prove themselves and
their ability at private schools all over to be able
to recruit, facilitate all these things and not being beneficial
(26:00):
and improving their value there probably looks beneficial to an
FBS program, but it's definitely been a tumultuous you know,
four years or so as far as all the changes
that we've seen on the field with head coaches, assistant coaches,
and how it's impacted universities. So it's kind of crazy
(26:22):
when you take into account all the changes within the
coaching staffs, and then you take into account the college
football calendar and how chaotic it's become with the transfer portal,
two different windows for that, an early signing period that
hits in December January, and on top of that, an
expanded season with they expanded college football playoffs. So a
(26:42):
lot has been thrown the plate of these head coaches
at the college football level, but also all the coaches
that are on those staffs now who are tasked with
not even what the on field product looks like, but
making sure they're still recruiting. There's still evaluating kids at
the high school and college level, making sure there's still
going to class everything that goes along with that.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
It's a lot. So that's a lot, man.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
If you're if you're a head coach, so now you
it's recruiting, it's ni l re recruiting your own players
so they don't leave to go elsewhere, and then having
to replenish your staff if they decide to go elsewhere
every single offseason.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Because that's yeah, that's what's happening. I mean, you look
at I just look no further than Penn State. You
look at what's taking place there over the last few years.
I mean, you know, we had Brent Pry who was
an amazing defensive coordinator for our team. Love Brent Pray.
He ends up going to Virginia Tech. You know, We're
(27:42):
able to bring in Manny Diaz. Manny Diaz does an
amazing job. He ends up going to Duke, you know,
and now we we we we end up now having
a coach for a year that wants to go back
home and be close to his family, apparently, the report says,
(28:05):
and he goes and takes a job with Clemson. Right,
So we had we've had three defensive coordinators over what
the last four to five years of time, and now
we have a new one this year. And what we
have with in Knowles, And I mean, we took him
(28:25):
away from Ohio State. You know, I felt good about that.
We took cold and Niki because we needed an offensive coordinator.
We took him away from where he was at. But
then you see, we get hit, right, then they take
Jay one sider away from us, and that's Notre Dame
that took him from from our school. So it just
looking no further than Penn State in terms of like
(28:48):
what this coaching landscape looks like. That musical chairs thing
is very real. I feel like the thing that it
makes me wonder the most is when you look at
what football, college football has represented. It's represented tradition, it's
(29:09):
represented legacy, It's represented so many different things. And maybe
I'm I'm you know, I'm guess I'm spoilt because I
did have the same coaches the entire time. You know,
I look at guys for generation after generation. I could
go back and my teammates they had the same you know,
(29:29):
my alumni they had to say Letterman, they had the
same coaches. And it just seems interesting because to me,
it's the pride of everybody who's involved as to what
really really drives college football. And I don't I think
that that's now coming to an end. I don't think
that you're going to have those those emotions and those
(29:52):
feelings like like old school, old time quarterback or excuse me,
coaches for the schools what they want had because everybody's
on the move so quickly, and so now it's like,
what is the what is the collective identity of these teams? Now?
What is the collective belief of these teams? If coaches
(30:16):
are moving so often. Now, granted, we have our head coach,
so that culture is the culture based upon him being
there so long, But I mean for a lot of
these schools that isn't the case. Guys are on the move,
and you could have a head coach that respects you,
that recruited you, and you buy into their values, and
they could be gone in the next season, and now
(30:38):
you got to deal with a coach that didn't recruit you,
didn't bring you in. You guys might not fall or
align on the same values, and sometimes it doesn't align
with the school. I think it creates a lot of
interesting scenarios and dynamics because I don't know, it seems
like everybody's best interest is their own best interest in
today's new college football college sports. Maybe you know the
(31:03):
world of it in NIL, I want to get paid.
Maybe not directly connected to NIL, but a lot of
it has to do with that.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with do you coming up next?
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Here?
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Though, we are going to have a Wednesday tradition. It's
the good, the bad, and the ugly our midweek awards
right here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and luggly all.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Right, lead to laugh, who's got what?
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Well?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good news, and you know it's a good week
because Brady Quinn is delivering the goods.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Holy crap, full name call, shout out there. And on
top of it, I get the good.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
This is awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I never get this opportity.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Great week.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
It's a great week. What was good, maybe better than good,
was the WNBA.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
They did a full thorough investigation after some racist accusations
were made during the Chicago sky it had a fever game.
They found there was no racism, so we've got that.
It was a competitive game. It was a fun game
to watch for those that watched. It's unfortunate that the
sort of thing came about after the fact. However, after
(33:05):
a thorough investigation, there's been nothing founded whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
So that is good.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
That's good this week?
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Oh yeah, well you can't have good without the bad. Jonas,
what was bad this week?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
The WNBA coverage. I'm sorry, man, I don't get it.
I don't understand every single story attached to that league
has something to do other than basketball highlights or and
I really don't know who's responsible for pushing out that stuff.
I don't know who's responsible for getting the messaging going
(33:39):
when it comes to the WNBA, but it's awful.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's a racist chant.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
It's some sort of a backlash because somebody doesn't like
so and so Caitlin Clark's injury.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Which, by the way, we talked about yesterday.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
The ticket prices are just dropping drastically for games that
she's now not going to appear in because she's got
this injury, Britney Griner, all all the other things that
go along with it. None of it is about the highlights.
None of it is about the great plays. It's all
the messaging about all the other stuff either on the
court that are said because people are bitter about the
coverage Kaitlyn Clark gets or Ryan Clark and by the way,
(34:16):
no relation to Kaitlyn Clark for those wondering Ryan Clark
and RG three going. Nothing about the game, everything about
the drama.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's my bad for the week. That is bad, But
can it get worse? LeVar?
Speaker 5 (34:27):
What was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (34:28):
I mean, what's ugly and what's worse is I'm going
to just continue to piggyback off of that, because that
was what I was thinking. I just hate that the
storylines that continue to surround the WNBA have maybe made
people force them to choose sides, and there's no reason
to celebrate the athletes. Celebrate competition, celebrates your team, you know,
(34:51):
and let it be that. But you know, Caitlyn Clark
got cats out here attacking people's families. People said that
they're not qualified to talk about different different races of women.
I mean, I just didn't know that basketball could actually
lead to, you know, people crashing out to the tune
(35:15):
of what we've seen crashouts take place. I mean, we've
seen three apology videos since then and all kinds of
different things. It's like two or three. I don't know,
I lost count, but you know who, I just I
just think that it's just kind of you know, heart
(35:37):
fouls are heart fouls. If it's flagrant, great, Nobody's going
to be talking about a heart foul as much as
they've talked about with Caitlin Clark and Angel Reaves being involved,
which is crazy because heart fouls happen, flagrants happen, These
things happen. It's sports trash. Talk happens. Like if I
could tell you how many times I heard, you know,
(36:00):
gatory terms during the course of the game. I mean,
come on, like now, all of a sudden, we've gotten
so sensitive. So I just you know, I think it's
pretty ugly the way that it's been covered, and it
seems so divisive and so chaotic. Just just give them
an opportunity to to be able to play out this season.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
Also another bad for the week, I'd like to throw
this in there, the fact that the Labs started a
beer but didn't finish it yesterday.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
I feel like, yeah, that's not good for the brand.
Come on, Lee, there's an expectation on this show and
from our fan base for you. You finish what you start.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
You finish what you start late. You know, where's that
beer right there? You know what?
Speaker 4 (36:40):
That's fair. It's in my fridge right now under the Yeah,
I know, you break a flat beer when you get home.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
I am indeed, Yeah, because he doesn't waste alcohol. That's
that's a true that's a true lead to labor.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know, we used to call it, is it a
freshy or a bedstand? You know what's what's your first
beer of the day is it a fresh one or
is it on the is it from the beds tim
from the night before?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Wait, you do that, you'll drink the beer that's on
the night I have done that.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
I have done that. Yeah, actually I checked to make
sure there's not a bug or there's something in there
that may have flew in there. A second.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You're doing it right when you get home too?
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Oh yeah, I've already been thinking about it.
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Of course, that's crazy. Who needs a nap? You know,
forget breakfast, it's my energy drinking. I got work to do.
I mean, what beer was it? If we're you know,
is it an mg D or you know?
Speaker 6 (37:34):
It was an ultra And I think that's why I
didn't finish.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
It wasn't a fan, okay, Usually
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