May 29, 2025 • 38 mins
The Browns quarterback room is too crowded so how will it be manage4d before the start of the season? Stefon Diggs gets busted with "Tusi" on camera but what will come of it? SGA walks away with the MVP of the Western Conference Finals and much more!
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One of these storylines to look at after this offseason
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is the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Quarterback room, which, by the way, you got a little
bit of everything, all right, you got?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Cleveland is really close to Canada, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
No, do you include Michigan before that or no?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean you gotta go. You gotta go that way
to get to Canada, don't you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Cleveland and Vancouver's it seems like a bit of it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I feel like I had to drive through Airy and
then Ohio to get to Canada when I was younger.
I don't know why, but I feel like we had
to go through Airy and Cleveland to get there.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think that the easiest path is Detroit then into Windsor,
but from Pittsburgh. From Pittsburgh, I think it would be
able to go through like Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, it is through Buffalo. It is through Buffalo, But
isn't Cleveland right near Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Like isn't Ohio right now? Ohio? Ohio? Not Cleveland, but
Ohio like Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyways, go ahead, and I feel like we went through
Ohio to get to We're close by.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I don't know. I mean, I might have crow barred it.
I might have crow there. I might have crow barred
it was just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Canada's a big place, man, It's a big deal. This
weekend there is. I mean, the last break was super gold.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I wish, I wish what we talked about off the
air was able to go over there, because that that
was the best conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh, and I'm not going to fry you now, Like
now we're all on the same page and we're clear,
and I feel I feel good about the LeVar in order.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And thenterrogating super quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now speaking of Cleveland, who's got just a wild quarterback
room as they approach this season.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Uh, They've got OTA's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You've got Joe Flacco, You've got Kenny Pickett, You've got
Dylan Gabriel, You've got shit or Sanders. There's all sorts
of stuff happening there with the Cleveland Browns and Joe Flacco,
who is the veteran there who was brought back there
this offseason. He spoke yesterday about the mentor narrative and
just what his role is as the leader potentially in
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the quarterback room.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It's a talking point. You can kind of like use
it like because it's a good question. Debate somebody into
answering and either and no matter how they answer, it
kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad.
If I say I don't want to be a mentor,
I look bad. If I say I do want to
be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that
doesn't care about being good and playing football. So it's
one of those questions that no matter what I say,
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you guys can write what you want to write about it.
And there's a lot of questions like that. That's why
you end up having to try to avoid them. I
tend to try to be honest, and I've said I'm
not a mentor. I play football and in a quarterback room.
There's a lot of times already, there's been already a
ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have
a lot of experience and I can talk on things
and hopefully they listen, but it's not necessarily like my
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job to make sure they listen to me, you know. Hey,
like hopefully you have a really good relationship with the
guys that are in the room and and you naturally
want to do that, you know. But that's yeah, that
was a long winded answer, But that's ultimately why I
think you guys ask it. Here's the thing, is like,
because of what I just said, like you're acting like
I wouldn't want to be a mentor. It's and it's like,
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once again, it's not really about that. It's just not
the main focus. I see myself as a guy that
can play in this league. So if your main focus
was just like, hey, but I'm gonna get you ready,
you're just not taking care of business. The best way
to be a mentor, honestly, is like show people how
you go to work, you know, and like I said,
hope that they pick up on that stuff, but not
necessarily force them to pick up on the things that
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you do.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's a proper response. Man, I love Joe Flatch.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
He's you know, he's in the position he's in for
a number of reasons. Obviously, Joe Flacco has had a
great career. He just want a Super Bowl. He's been
Super Bowl MVP, So it starts there. What I think
you just heard, though, is why so many organizations hear
him speak and say this is the type of guy
and player we want in our quarterback room because there's
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a lack of development now with a lot of these
young quarterbacks. And he plays the game the right way,
and he does things the right way, and he's got
a perspective that it's something that a lot of young
quarterbacks should try to attach onto and learn from. Talking
with him last year when he was with the Colts.
We had a very similar conversation about his time with
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the Colts and Anthony Richardson because of a lot of
what Anthony Richardson had gone through in some of those
growing pains, if you want to call them that, and
maybe some of the immaturities he still had within how
he handled himself professionally, you know, tapping out of a
game basically, or coming out because he was tired on
a specific drive. So you hear his response and it's
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the perfect response. At no point does any quarterbacks contract
in the NFL state you need to mentor anyone. Teams
will tell you you we want you to come in
and help these rookies or help these young quarterbacks, and
there is there is a learning curve there. There's a
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lot of young guys who you know, quite frankly, don't
watch film, so they don't know how to break down film.
So I recall, for example, when I got to New
York in twenty thirteen, Gino Smith was a rookie, Matt
Simmons was a rookie. David Lee was our quarterback coach,
and one of the things they said to me was,
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we need you to help these young guys in understanding
how to prepare. So every off day we'd come in
and we'd go through film and we'd go through the
different cutups to get a sense for the different types
of defenses and coverages blitz az we're going to face.
We would then go through and say, okay, let's watch
a game. Let's see how this defensive coordinator responds to
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a big play. Does he have kind of a safer
comfort call? You know, how's he going to handle different situations?
It's you know, third and long. Is he a pressure
guy or or a coverage guy? Is he a roll
with Deckx's he gonna play a bunch of different things
throughout and kind of keep you guessing getting into the
red zone, getting closer down to the goal line. When
it's a guy to have it down like a fourth
and goal, what's he gonna do? Is he a blitz
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guy or is he a drop eight guy? So you
start to see the identity of who you're playing against.
What's the history of that defensive coordinator. You know, who
did he coach for before that, Because that construct of
that defense is going to be seen throughout, whether it's
the front, whether it's the coverage, whether it's their run
fits and some of the run checks. So you know
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your job as an older quarterback, it's not necessarily to
go and mentor these guys, but as you're preparing for
your opportunity if you go in there to play, you're
trying to teach them like, this is how it's done.
This is how you watch film, this is how you prepare,
this is sometimes what you do on an off day,
this is what you do throughout the course of the week.
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Because a lot of young guys don't know they've either
excelled in college because their talent was so superior to
those around them, or you know, maybe the talent they
had on their team was so superior to a lot
of what they faced that they didn't understand. The margins
are so much smaller in the NFL. So you hear
this response, You're like, yeah, his whole job is to
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prepare himself to start and play and win football games
for Cleveland. But in doing that, he will provide an
example of what to do, but he can't make them listen.
It's like being a doubt with your kids.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You can do all you can to help raise them
the right way and teach them the right things, but
they've got to actually absorb it. They've got a comprehend
and listen. So that's where the Browns are at, at
least with the young cats with Shador and Dylan Gabriel,
you know. And I'm sure Kenny Pickle will take some
things away from Joe Flacco too, but it sounds like
he's more in competition mode. It sounds like he's more
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looking at Joe thinking like, hey, I can do some
things he can't. That I've gotten my game that I'm
gonna try to display it from time to time. Either way,
it's gonna be a great storyline throughout the course of
the offseason.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Flacco's working to start, that's clear, And I would assume
that was the conversation before they signed him. And I
think the amount of time as a vet that he
has in the game would lend to the conversation that
they would not have signed him to a contract to
come in if they didn't have any intentions of giving
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him a fair opportunity to compete for that starting that role.
So to me, that already now sets the stage for
what's going to happen. I do not think under any
circumstances that Joe Flacco will be let go from this
team because he has a value if he's good enough
to start. He has a value if somebody else is
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better than him to be able to start. I do
not see any one of these these rookies being that.
So it comes down to Kenny Pickett. Is Kenny Pickett
in a place now in his career, with little bit
of time under his belt, a little bit of familiarity
with with the AFC North, a little bit of familiarity
with winning and seeing what winning a championship looks like.
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With his time in Philly, does he bring to the
table what Cleveland is looking for to be competitive in
the AFC North.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Those are the two storylines that will play out a
top of.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The quarterbacks position in that quarterback's room that is a
true competition. Now comes down to the conversation of you're
talking about four quarterbacks and that's still to me from
day one, that's been the conversation point for me. What
happens with one of these rookies?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Are you going to actually carry three acts?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And I know you've answered the question before, Q, and
it might still be the same. I tend to disagree
you're going to carry three at max and that third
one is going to go on to your practice squad.
If you're going to carry three and have one on
the practice squad, that's kind of crazy. But you still
run the risk of somebody taking that quarterback off of
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your practice squad.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You run it, go ahead, got.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
No, I wasna ask. So you think two on the
active than one of the practice squad. Do you think
that's a lot?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think that standard. I think it's standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't think because I think there's a there's a
reality that keep three and then one on the practice squad,
and I don't. I don't think that's that much. I
think again, we can go ahead and good and finish,
we'll talk about all.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think here's what I think somebody's got to go.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's what I think somebody has got to go, and
and and I don't again, whether you lose them, because
you can lose a player off of the practice squad
either you choose to sign them, or somebody can come
in and offer them a contract and they can go
to that team.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
However that process works.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You can get signed away from a team if you're
on a practice squad, so you're still running the risk
of losing a player with not how much value is
there there if you're able to lose, if you're able
to take a player off practice squad. I don't know
the details of how that works, but all I know
is I don't see them carrying four quarterbacks, meaning three
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on the active roster and one on the practice squad.
I don't see that. I don't see that taking place.
So somebody's gotta go. Somebody's got to go. I can't
I think, and I continue to say, is as much
as we see Shador Sanders in the media, as much
as he's getting his highlights posted on social which I
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think is very interesting because you're building a case for
Shador Sanders. You see them everywhere with the highlights and
stuff like that, and that's great. Build your brand, build
an awareness so that if something were to happen, another
team can look at you, or maybe it puts more
pressure on Cleveland, however you want to look at it.
But Dylan Gabriel is the third round draft pick. He's
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there for a reason. They hired him for a reason,
ahead of Shador Sanders. I seriously think, and listening to
what Flacco said, I seriously think that one of these
rookies will not be on this team. They will not
be on this team come regular season. And now that
the question becomes which one.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is it okay for you to let Shador Sanders go
even though he comes with the amount of fanfare that
he comes with in attention? Or do you let your
third round draft pick, which sounds crazy? Do you let
your third round draft pick go and move on with
those the rest of the two or the rest of
the three? With with Picket, Flacco and Sanders. I think
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they got to make a hard decision.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't think you would take all of them.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, I mean, and look, maybe they do only keep three.
But I keep going back to if you're Kenny Pickett
and you don't win the starting job, you're gonna be
looking for an opportunity elsewhere because the future is sitting
behind you with two guys they've already drafted, and if
you're not starting in the immediate future, there may be
an opportunity to go somewhere else. And it's almost where
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they would be doing him a bit of a favor
almost if they allowed him, if they released him to
go somewhere else and have an opportunity to get on
another team and play. If that was how the reps
and if that's how things were going, maybe they don't
feel that way. And another thing I'd say is this,
if you go back to last season, we looked at
the draft and the off season for the Atlanta Falcons,
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and the big takeaway in my opinion was, look, if
you were that concerned about quarterback play, which two years
ago you would say, that's how the Falcons felt. They
felt like the Achilles heal of that team was the
quarterback play. So what they do. They signed Kirk Cousins,
big deal. They drafted Michael Pennox in the top ten,
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and that's how they addressed it. If this is how
the Browns want to address it and they're saying this
is a dire need for our team, I think there's
a realistic possibility they keep four. Now three would be
on the active roster. They put one on the practice squad,
and yeah, there's a risk to someone else signing him,
but the risk to that is this, you know, you
end up paying him what he would still make on
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the regular roster, but for practice squad that's allowed. So
that happens oftentimes when teams want to keep players from
signing somewhere else because they'll make more money on the
active roster than the practice squad, but they can pay
them that equivalent amount and keep them on their practice squad.
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So I'm sure they would do that, whether it's Shador
Sanders or Dylan Gabriel or whoever that individual is, in
order to be able to keep all four. But my
general point is, if you felt like that is your
biggest concern, then why not keep all four? Why not
allow yourself the opportunity to have every single guy the
drafted or signed or trade it for this offseason and
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go attack it that way so you don't have to,
you know, bring anyone else or deal with anything else.
I just I think that's where teams are right now.
And I think Kevin Stefanski wants to win and feels
like he can win with a number of different quarterbacks
because he's proven that throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Who do you guys think is the starter Week one?
I'll go Joe Flacco. Don't copy off my paper. I'll
go Joe Flacco.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, I mean I think it's easy. Bernie Kozar. I
think Bernie comes back, wins, wins, and I think it'll
I think it'll be Flacco as well. I just I
think he his style of play for what they can do,
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like that's a good old line, that's a good ground game,
like they can run the rock, that that can keep
you in ball games, win you some ball games. And
I know it wasn't a big sample size, but when
he was there, he played really well. So maybe I'm optimistic.
Maybe it's because he's around, you know, my time frame
and all that. I'm rooting for him. He's got five kids.
I got five kids, So I'm looking at going like
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I know what he's dealing with. But I look at
that and I say, that's just a huge advantage his
wealth of knowledge over all the other guys he's going
up against. And mind you, you know, he's got so
much experience in this division. Like if you want to
ask someone how AFC North football's played from his experience
in Baltimore in a short stint in Cleveland, but now
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coming back to Cleveland, he knows this division better than anyone.
And it hasn't changed much if we're being you know, honest,
outside of some of the quarterbacks that have come in
and in regards to at least the offensive play I'm
talking about defensively, when you're going up against these defenses.
Still a lot of similarities you see to what it
was and what it has been and always will be.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Kenny Pikett knows what it feels like to be a
rookie in the AFC North. So does Joe Flacco, and
they're a little ways away from being that. I think
it's a daunting task for a quarterback to have to
step into a division that has those types of defenses.
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And so now you ask yourself the question, what does
that look like? I will continue to ask the question
until I see the roster come out. Is who is
going to stay? Who is going to go? Joe Flacco
today gives the Cleveland Browns the best opportunity to win
right now. What does can he Pickett do in this scenario?
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In this situation, I don't know. I would argue and
push back on allow me to go and go find
a starting job somewhere else. Like I feel like Kenny
Pickett should be actually trying to make do with what
he has going on right now, being on the roster
of the Cleveland Browns and seeing what he can do
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with that. And if he doesn't win, then Hopefully you
get an opportunity because of the age of Joe Flacco.
Maybe he stalls out because of his age and doesn't
play as well, and you lay in the wings and
have a job and have the opportunity to possibly start
during the year. I think the hypothetical of him not
wanting to be there if they start Flacco, to me
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could be a misled dream of going somewhere else and
being somebody else's starter.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
The other thing with Flacco too, when people like, well,
you know you're here to be a mentor, It's like, no,
kiss my ass, I'm here to start like he would.
He won Comeback Player of the Year and by the way,
he wasn't signed till November. It's not like he had
a training camp this He's actually got an actual training
camp with the Browns and Stefanski this year. He didn't
start till week thirteen, and in that short amount of
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time he won Comeback Player of the Year and put
together a hell of a run and got them to
the postseason. So if I'm Flacco, no man like this
is I know I can still play. I just showed
it recently, like I want every opportunity to be the
guy I'm not here to mentor anybody, And I think
it was one hundred percent spot.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's set up. It's set up for him to have success.
The bigger question now becomes how many are you going
to carry? And who's going to be the next up?
And I just don't see it being Dylan Gabriel or
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So then now it becomes is it is it going
to be Kenny Pickett? I mean, stick to me, it
does represent to me that they are trying to win.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
If you do not keep Picket and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Flacco after you spent the off season getting a hold
of them, if you do not keep them, then you're
saying to me, in my estimation, you are okay with
this team taking a noseedive if the starter goes down,
if the second guy leaves because they want to go
play somewhere else, or flag go's like I'm not starting,
I'll just retire, whatever.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It may be.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You're saying to me that you're okay with this season
going in a totally different direction, because if you're going
to throw one of these rookies into that type of
situation to start, they got an opportunity just as much
to be a superstar in that situation and come in
and lift the team up. But that's a long shot.
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I think it's a long shot to trust the Cleveland
Browns into a rookie, a first year player. If you're
thinking that you're still going to be competitive. If a
guy of the age of Joe Flacco ends up being your.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Starter, I think we'll know if they're thinking nosedive or
just tank this year if they just start Deshaun Watson
as is, you know, like still has his stick like
stitches in like I.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Just hey, listen, that'll do. That'll do.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
We'll just put you in shotgun still run around anywhere
and throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Got him out there and crutches and shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
He's still got staples in the back of his legs, aaron.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
And like a nurse down give you.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Oh no, yeah, too soon for that. It's got a
bedpan next on. I'd be too soon for that.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, why not, because that's not enough clothing on to
say it. Yeah, well, it will be your towel. It
might actually prefer that you might play better. Yeah, he
might deliver the goods. Probably probably laying down a lot.
I know that Bluetooth dot Com yeah, definitely. I wonder
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h hopefully his back's all right.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Why can't we just finish the conversation before you have
to like just cut it off.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I thought we were dumb because we were so late. Why.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
We're always so late. We always always take a segment
further than normal. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, well, listen to Joe Flacco will be the guy
that'll be your starter, and then uh, they'll just have
to figure out whether or not. I will say this,
if you were HBO, wouldn't you would prefer if you
could could have the Browns for Hard Knocks this off
season as opposed to the Bills based on the storyline alone.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, probably. I mean my thing is, did we ever
redact or correct the video and the conversation we had
about Shador and all that. Everyone assumed it was his car.
He came out and made a statement said it wasn't
because he was on the video. It was hard to
piece together. And then I believe the car was for
Dion Jr.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Though right, well, it was that was there talking about
the car. That was who was on the phone. That
was Lee's reckless reporting on that well that.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
He was he was holding the phone received the vehicle.
It was my assumption that that vehicle was for him.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I just knew it was. It was delivered to It
looked like primes of State, and it was wanted.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I did think.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I felt like I heard Shador say, did they show
you my car?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Right? I heard that in there, right, but it was
meaning like a if this one isn't his?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Lee.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Are you going to address your reckless reporting on the
on the car situation with the Sanders family?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Well, I'll let Deon Junior said say it. I mean
to quote him. He said, why would y'all think this
was Shadors? Who said anything about this being Chadors? Nobody
said that. Y'all just made your own story and ran
with it. Deon Junior said in a video titled y'all
got to stop lying on this on you on his
YouTube channel.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Lee, that's directed right at you, boy, there possibly could.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Be directed now. Hold on, when I reported it.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What sort of what sort of gas smiles would you
get all the way to Vancouver in that car?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
When I reported it, I did say people are speculating
and that Chador is came out and said that y'all
are lying about it.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I'm focused on the Browns right now.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
But he was in the video and he did say
in the video is my car there? So that's why
people were speculating he was on FaceTime with Dean Or.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
But that's not what he ended up saying.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The fact that he's telling y'all that that everybody's lying
out here. It's not Schador's car. I mean, it's not
his car. It's not that's that's car. Yeah, that's a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And by the way, how about your buddy Miles Garrett
not at OTAs because he's in Japan with his girlfriend
Chloe Kim. Uh, it's funny. It's funny quarterback does that?
He gets a bunch of goback? A defensive player does that?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
No, by the way, there's some people out there with
some strong opinions on Aaron Rodgers not being at OTAs
in Pittsburgh. I'm like, well, he's not under contract, Like
not only not with the team, he's not under contract.
And you have other players you are that are not
showing up. Either he has a contract dispute or they're
rehabbing and a party or they're with their loved ones
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and somewhere. It goes to show you what players are
thinking now of OTAs, like they just do not value
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Speaker 4 (26:26):
Though.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, apparently there was some activities going on, but you know,
not the uh activities you would see at sort of
you know, an NFL facility anywhere. These sort of OTAs
took place on a boat, and we've got the details
for you right here on FSR.
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Speaker 3 (27:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Nax with you here. Coming
up in a little over twelve minutes from now. They're
going to try and explain to you why they did
what they did in the NFL. All right, they're going
to try it, but we all know the truth. We'll
get into that for you a get a little over
twelve minutes from now. Mike Rabel has had to respond
(27:20):
to something. There was a video that surfaced of Stefan Diggs,
oh brand new New England Patriots, signed a three year
deal with the Patriots in the off season, still working
his way back from the knee injury he suffered last
year with the Texans.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But there's a vide back quick whatever that was.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
He's on a boat with three women and some tussy
in a ziploc bag.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So what to see? What is that?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It's drug? It's pink cocaine. There you go, it's ketamine
and some other stuff in it. And so he pulls
out this ziploc bag full of tossy and uh, he's
with Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
With three women on this boat, what kind of women
say up top, up top? What God, there's.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
There's only one snow bunny. If that's what we're.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Referring to, I gotta go back and look at it.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
It's a diverse group of people.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So Mike Rabel, the head coach of the Patriots, was asked,
was asked about the video, and uh, he had this
to say.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Well, that's something that we're aware of, and obviously we
want to make great decisions on and off the field,
and we're hoping that, uh, with our time here on
the field today and that when we don't have a
script and we're on the call up periods, that we're
making great decisions. And so the message will be the
same for all our players that we were trying to
make great decisions and any conversations that I've had with
(28:58):
Stefan or between him and I and the club.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
So there was Mike Rabel, Uh, you know, tel very
very annoyed that he was having to address the fact
that his player was not at OTAs and is on
a boat with three women and some two c.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
You say it like that. Leavar can speak to this too,
because when you're a guy who played No, not that
when you're when your guy who played in the trenches
and you have a wide receiver who's coming back from
an injury, he's not around the team, he's off doing
other things, and I don't want to say diva, but
like has that sort of you know, reputation. It has
(29:39):
to grind your gears. If you're Mike Rabel, you have
to be so frustrated that this is something that you
have to talk about and deal with. I would imagine
LeVar that's the mentality being a guy who played in
the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I'll say this, We certainly identified our receivers, and some
more than others were super divas. I mean they were divas.
I mean receivers are divas. Not all receivers are divas,
but some of them are really really divash. And and
that's you know, that's something that I would assume that
(30:15):
go Lee, It's something that I would assume is a
part of the position grouping. So anyway, I think the
point of it is is that it's one thing to
not be at OTA's, it's another thing to not be
at OTAs and then have something like this pop up
on you and I mean, I know, for me, if
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he was my teammate, I'd be looking at I wouldn't
be upset that the to say it showed up.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I'd be more bothered by.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'd be more bothered by the fact that while I
do not partake in those things, where is my invite?
I would have been more upset that you did, because
it seemed like there was a lot of people on there.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Where was my invite?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Stuph you know, I mean like we're not in this together, Like,
all right, that's good, I see, I see where we're
at on I kind of feel like he like you
should be called, uh, Stefan league the lat But you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
It does.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It does harken back, to use an old timey word,
uh to a video that was out when Stefan Diggs
was a member of the Minnesota Vikings and somebody went
into the locker room and started asking various players on
the Vikings, who would you not want to date your sister?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And this is how it went down.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Devin, what kind of team would you least like to
date your sister?
Speaker 9 (31:43):
What the.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
No, we don't leave it like that. No, okay, what
guy on.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
This team of Stepan Diggs.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Why Diggs, He's just he's crazy, he's just outrages.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
At least I to day my sister digs one hundred.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
Why Digs, because he's just he's not a guy that
you want to bring home to your parents, Like you
don't want your sister to bring him home to your parents,
so therefore she can't date him.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
But damn you get him on a boat with a
bag of toussay.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's the guy, But what does that say about the
people standing there in front of his face?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Though?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
If they know that about chefon Diggs, you gotta believe
the people around him got an idea.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But he is he dating?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh, car Cardy d or whatever her name is, Like.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, she was on the boat too, Oh she was yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Oh so there you go. Oh perfect type of girl.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah, I don't know if she was in the clips
of the video. I'm pretty sure she was in the boat. Lee,
can you back me up on this with your research?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, she was on the boat too. Uh. She also
likes to partake.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
In the and all of that, by the way, all
of it, not just the bag, but but Lee, how.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Much does a zip lock bag full of two say
it cost? I wish I knew. You have no idea. Oh,
come on, I never knew what tussy was.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Are the price different not toussy, it's too sy?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Exactly? Is the price difference in Vancouver? Yelly? What what's
the difference? Uh? In America and then abroad? I'll do
some research.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
If you go from Seattle to Vancouver, it's not that far,
but price wise, the tariffs, the tariffs. Yeah, well, you
don't have any information on I know ketamine is in Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I've never heard of it until just now. I would
say years old when I heard of.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
It.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And by the way, we don't know for sure if
it if that's what it could be fun dip.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
I think I just got flagged on the work computer
here literally said I cannot ask this question.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Really. Yeah, I heard it's a cocktail though it's got
like molly and then a couple other things mixed in. Oh,
not that I know, I just I've heard.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Okay, Well, hey, uh, there's sure update on Stefan Diggs
and his boat trip.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I hope it don't cost him a job, man, honestly,
Like on a more serious note, I hope you know
you gotta be responsible man, Like the world we live
in now is just crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I mean he was plenty of responsible. He carried it
in his ziplock back.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I mean it was very well secured. I mean, what
do you want to like open it up and have it,
you know, the wind blow it everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Oh yeah, crooks, you gotta have cruks. Thought he handled
it solid.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I mean, do we know that it happened exactly at
this time? It could have been an old video. How
do we know it's a current video?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Good point. Maybe it was back when he was in Maryland.
I mean maybe maybe not that far back, but maybe not.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
That Not that you subjects for my buddies. Just send
me a photo of a guy driving a Tesla, but
he's got a sticker on the back that says Elon
and would like crossed out. And my assumption would be
that so many people are king Tesla's that they're trying
to like state I'm not with Elon, but I still
drive my Tesla.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I see him out here in l A, a
bunch of them.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
What d bags? If you were to make a statement
just sell your car, go get a different car, then, jeez, d.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Bag, right, here's that I was thinking about getting a Tesla.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Like we went from from Tesla.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I'm gonna put a sticker on the back that that
don't engage you from getting keyed?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
How do you? How do you?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
It's like, hey, a hold, they don't see the back
of your car the entire time, like half the time,
They're only going to see the side of it. You'll
probably keep it and walk away and be like, oh,
I should have done it to that Tesla owner.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
By the way, if you are is that a sniffler
or is that a smoker or out of popper?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
What is it? What that pink stuff? The tissy? Yeah?
I don't know, Lee, What do you do with that?
How do you consume it? Lee? No idea, you don't
sprinkle that at buzzball. I'll do some research for you, okay.
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I'm struggling for other storylines to pull from that game
last night.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
That just it was yeah, and it felt like an
ass kicking from start to finish, Like it really didn't
feel like Minnesota was ever in that game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But it's good to see the best team for the series.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
And I'm still upset, still upset that, uh they didn't
borrow that cavalanche. They only got used once this year
in Cleveland. I just thought I would have fit in
well in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And they're gonna bring that back, right, they'll bring it back.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, I mean you'd hope.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So you spent like half a million on it, right,
it might have worked on that boat with stuff on.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Damn it, the pink cavalanche.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
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Hit me in my face. Come yeah, yeah,
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One of these storylines to look at after this offseason
(01:01):
is the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Quarterback room, which, by the way, you got a little
bit of everything, all right, you got?
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Cleveland is really close to Canada, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
No, do you include Michigan before that or no?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I mean you gotta go. You gotta go that way
to get to Canada, don't you.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Cleveland and Vancouver's it seems like a bit of it.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I feel like I had to drive through Airy and
then Ohio to get to Canada when I was younger.
I don't know why, but I feel like we had
to go through Airy and Cleveland to get there.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
I think that the easiest path is Detroit then into Windsor,
but from Pittsburgh. From Pittsburgh, I think it would be
able to go through like Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, it is through Buffalo. It is through Buffalo, But
isn't Cleveland right near Buffalo?
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Like isn't Ohio right now? Ohio? Ohio? Not Cleveland, but
Ohio like Ohio.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Anyways, go ahead, and I feel like we went through
Ohio to get to We're close by.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I don't know. I mean, I might have crow barred it.
I might have crow there. I might have crow barred
it was just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Canada's a big place, man, It's a big deal. This
weekend there is. I mean, the last break was super gold.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I wish, I wish what we talked about off the
air was able to go over there, because that that
was the best conversation.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Oh man.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Uh, and I'm not going to fry you now, Like
now we're all on the same page and we're clear,
and I feel I feel good about the LeVar in order.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
And thenterrogating super quickly.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Now speaking of Cleveland, who's got just a wild quarterback
room as they approach this season.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Uh, They've got OTA's going on right now.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
You've got Joe Flacco, You've got Kenny Pickett, You've got
Dylan Gabriel, You've got shit or Sanders. There's all sorts
of stuff happening there with the Cleveland Browns and Joe Flacco,
who is the veteran there who was brought back there
this offseason. He spoke yesterday about the mentor narrative and
just what his role is as the leader potentially in
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the quarterback room.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
It's a talking point. You can kind of like use
it like because it's a good question. Debate somebody into
answering and either and no matter how they answer, it
kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad.
If I say I don't want to be a mentor,
I look bad. If I say I do want to
be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that
doesn't care about being good and playing football. So it's
one of those questions that no matter what I say,
(03:35):
you guys can write what you want to write about it.
And there's a lot of questions like that. That's why
you end up having to try to avoid them. I
tend to try to be honest, and I've said I'm
not a mentor. I play football and in a quarterback room.
There's a lot of times already, there's been already a
ton of times where there's learning experiences and I have
a lot of experience and I can talk on things
and hopefully they listen, but it's not necessarily like my
(03:57):
job to make sure they listen to me, you know. Hey,
like hopefully you have a really good relationship with the
guys that are in the room and and you naturally
want to do that, you know. But that's yeah, that
was a long winded answer, But that's ultimately why I
think you guys ask it. Here's the thing, is like,
because of what I just said, like you're acting like
I wouldn't want to be a mentor. It's and it's like,
(04:18):
once again, it's not really about that. It's just not
the main focus. I see myself as a guy that
can play in this league. So if your main focus
was just like, hey, but I'm gonna get you ready,
you're just not taking care of business. The best way
to be a mentor, honestly, is like show people how
you go to work, you know, and like I said,
hope that they pick up on that stuff, but not
necessarily force them to pick up on the things that
(04:38):
you do.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's a proper response. Man, I love Joe Flatch.
Speaker 5 (04:42):
He's you know, he's in the position he's in for
a number of reasons. Obviously, Joe Flacco has had a
great career. He just want a Super Bowl. He's been
Super Bowl MVP, So it starts there. What I think
you just heard, though, is why so many organizations hear
him speak and say this is the type of guy
and player we want in our quarterback room because there's
(05:04):
a lack of development now with a lot of these
young quarterbacks. And he plays the game the right way,
and he does things the right way, and he's got
a perspective that it's something that a lot of young
quarterbacks should try to attach onto and learn from. Talking
with him last year when he was with the Colts.
We had a very similar conversation about his time with
(05:26):
the Colts and Anthony Richardson because of a lot of
what Anthony Richardson had gone through in some of those
growing pains, if you want to call them that, and
maybe some of the immaturities he still had within how
he handled himself professionally, you know, tapping out of a
game basically, or coming out because he was tired on
a specific drive. So you hear his response and it's
(05:48):
the perfect response. At no point does any quarterbacks contract
in the NFL state you need to mentor anyone. Teams
will tell you you we want you to come in
and help these rookies or help these young quarterbacks, and
there is there is a learning curve there. There's a
(06:10):
lot of young guys who you know, quite frankly, don't
watch film, so they don't know how to break down film.
So I recall, for example, when I got to New
York in twenty thirteen, Gino Smith was a rookie, Matt
Simmons was a rookie. David Lee was our quarterback coach,
and one of the things they said to me was,
(06:30):
we need you to help these young guys in understanding
how to prepare. So every off day we'd come in
and we'd go through film and we'd go through the
different cutups to get a sense for the different types
of defenses and coverages blitz az we're going to face.
We would then go through and say, okay, let's watch
a game. Let's see how this defensive coordinator responds to
(06:51):
a big play. Does he have kind of a safer
comfort call? You know, how's he going to handle different situations?
It's you know, third and long. Is he a pressure
guy or or a coverage guy? Is he a roll
with Deckx's he gonna play a bunch of different things
throughout and kind of keep you guessing getting into the
red zone, getting closer down to the goal line. When
it's a guy to have it down like a fourth
and goal, what's he gonna do? Is he a blitz
(07:13):
guy or is he a drop eight guy? So you
start to see the identity of who you're playing against.
What's the history of that defensive coordinator. You know, who
did he coach for before that, Because that construct of
that defense is going to be seen throughout, whether it's
the front, whether it's the coverage, whether it's their run
fits and some of the run checks. So you know
(07:34):
your job as an older quarterback, it's not necessarily to
go and mentor these guys, but as you're preparing for
your opportunity if you go in there to play, you're
trying to teach them like, this is how it's done.
This is how you watch film, this is how you prepare,
this is sometimes what you do on an off day,
this is what you do throughout the course of the week.
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Because a lot of young guys don't know they've either
excelled in college because their talent was so superior to
those around them, or you know, maybe the talent they
had on their team was so superior to a lot
of what they faced that they didn't understand. The margins
are so much smaller in the NFL. So you hear
this response, You're like, yeah, his whole job is to
(08:18):
prepare himself to start and play and win football games
for Cleveland. But in doing that, he will provide an
example of what to do, but he can't make them listen.
It's like being a doubt with your kids.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
You can do all you can to help raise them
the right way and teach them the right things, but
they've got to actually absorb it. They've got a comprehend
and listen. So that's where the Browns are at, at
least with the young cats with Shador and Dylan Gabriel,
you know. And I'm sure Kenny Pickle will take some
things away from Joe Flacco too, but it sounds like
he's more in competition mode. It sounds like he's more
(08:53):
looking at Joe thinking like, hey, I can do some
things he can't. That I've gotten my game that I'm
gonna try to display it from time to time. Either way,
it's gonna be a great storyline throughout the course of
the offseason.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Flacco's working to start, that's clear, And I would assume
that was the conversation before they signed him. And I
think the amount of time as a vet that he
has in the game would lend to the conversation that
they would not have signed him to a contract to
come in if they didn't have any intentions of giving
(09:24):
him a fair opportunity to compete for that starting that role.
So to me, that already now sets the stage for
what's going to happen. I do not think under any
circumstances that Joe Flacco will be let go from this
team because he has a value if he's good enough
to start. He has a value if somebody else is
(09:47):
better than him to be able to start. I do
not see any one of these these rookies being that.
So it comes down to Kenny Pickett. Is Kenny Pickett
in a place now in his career, with little bit
of time under his belt, a little bit of familiarity
with with the AFC North, a little bit of familiarity
with winning and seeing what winning a championship looks like.
(10:10):
With his time in Philly, does he bring to the
table what Cleveland is looking for to be competitive in
the AFC North.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Those are the two storylines that will play out a
top of.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
The quarterbacks position in that quarterback's room that is a
true competition. Now comes down to the conversation of you're
talking about four quarterbacks and that's still to me from
day one, that's been the conversation point for me. What
happens with one of these rookies?
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Are you going to actually carry three acts?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And I know you've answered the question before, Q, and
it might still be the same. I tend to disagree
you're going to carry three at max and that third
one is going to go on to your practice squad.
If you're going to carry three and have one on
the practice squad, that's kind of crazy. But you still
run the risk of somebody taking that quarterback off of
(11:08):
your practice squad.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
You run it, go ahead, got.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
No, I wasna ask. So you think two on the
active than one of the practice squad. Do you think
that's a lot?
Speaker 4 (11:17):
I think that standard. I think it's standard.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I don't think because I think there's a there's a
reality that keep three and then one on the practice squad,
and I don't. I don't think that's that much. I
think again, we can go ahead and good and finish,
we'll talk about all.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think here's what I think somebody's got to go.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
That's what I think somebody has got to go, and
and and I don't again, whether you lose them, because
you can lose a player off of the practice squad
either you choose to sign them, or somebody can come
in and offer them a contract and they can go
to that team.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
However that process works.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
You can get signed away from a team if you're
on a practice squad, so you're still running the risk
of losing a player with not how much value is
there there if you're able to lose, if you're able
to take a player off practice squad. I don't know
the details of how that works, but all I know
is I don't see them carrying four quarterbacks, meaning three
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on the active roster and one on the practice squad.
I don't see that. I don't see that taking place.
So somebody's gotta go. Somebody's got to go. I can't
I think, and I continue to say, is as much
as we see Shador Sanders in the media, as much
as he's getting his highlights posted on social which I
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think is very interesting because you're building a case for
Shador Sanders. You see them everywhere with the highlights and
stuff like that, and that's great. Build your brand, build
an awareness so that if something were to happen, another
team can look at you, or maybe it puts more
pressure on Cleveland, however you want to look at it.
But Dylan Gabriel is the third round draft pick. He's
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there for a reason. They hired him for a reason,
ahead of Shador Sanders. I seriously think, and listening to
what Flacco said, I seriously think that one of these
rookies will not be on this team. They will not
be on this team come regular season. And now that
the question becomes which one.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (13:23):
It?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Is it okay for you to let Shador Sanders go
even though he comes with the amount of fanfare that
he comes with in attention? Or do you let your
third round draft pick, which sounds crazy? Do you let
your third round draft pick go and move on with
those the rest of the two or the rest of
the three? With with Picket, Flacco and Sanders. I think
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they got to make a hard decision.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't think you would take all of them.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, I mean, and look, maybe they do only keep three.
But I keep going back to if you're Kenny Pickett
and you don't win the starting job, you're gonna be
looking for an opportunity elsewhere because the future is sitting
behind you with two guys they've already drafted, and if
you're not starting in the immediate future, there may be
an opportunity to go somewhere else. And it's almost where
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they would be doing him a bit of a favor
almost if they allowed him, if they released him to
go somewhere else and have an opportunity to get on
another team and play. If that was how the reps
and if that's how things were going, maybe they don't
feel that way. And another thing I'd say is this,
if you go back to last season, we looked at
the draft and the off season for the Atlanta Falcons,
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and the big takeaway in my opinion was, look, if
you were that concerned about quarterback play, which two years
ago you would say, that's how the Falcons felt. They
felt like the Achilles heal of that team was the
quarterback play. So what they do. They signed Kirk Cousins,
big deal. They drafted Michael Pennox in the top ten,
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and that's how they addressed it. If this is how
the Browns want to address it and they're saying this
is a dire need for our team, I think there's
a realistic possibility they keep four. Now three would be
on the active roster. They put one on the practice squad,
and yeah, there's a risk to someone else signing him,
but the risk to that is this, you know, you
end up paying him what he would still make on
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the regular roster, but for practice squad that's allowed. So
that happens oftentimes when teams want to keep players from
signing somewhere else because they'll make more money on the
active roster than the practice squad, but they can pay
them that equivalent amount and keep them on their practice squad.
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So I'm sure they would do that, whether it's Shador
Sanders or Dylan Gabriel or whoever that individual is, in
order to be able to keep all four. But my
general point is, if you felt like that is your
biggest concern, then why not keep all four? Why not
allow yourself the opportunity to have every single guy the
drafted or signed or trade it for this offseason and
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go attack it that way so you don't have to,
you know, bring anyone else or deal with anything else.
I just I think that's where teams are right now.
And I think Kevin Stefanski wants to win and feels
like he can win with a number of different quarterbacks
because he's proven that throughout the years.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Who do you guys think is the starter Week one?
I'll go Joe Flacco. Don't copy off my paper. I'll
go Joe Flacco.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Okay, I mean I think it's easy. Bernie Kozar. I
think Bernie comes back, wins, wins, and I think it'll
I think it'll be Flacco as well. I just I
think he his style of play for what they can do,
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like that's a good old line, that's a good ground game,
like they can run the rock, that that can keep
you in ball games, win you some ball games. And
I know it wasn't a big sample size, but when
he was there, he played really well. So maybe I'm optimistic.
Maybe it's because he's around, you know, my time frame
and all that. I'm rooting for him. He's got five kids.
I got five kids, So I'm looking at going like
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I know what he's dealing with. But I look at
that and I say, that's just a huge advantage his
wealth of knowledge over all the other guys he's going
up against. And mind you, you know, he's got so
much experience in this division. Like if you want to
ask someone how AFC North football's played from his experience
in Baltimore in a short stint in Cleveland, but now
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coming back to Cleveland, he knows this division better than anyone.
And it hasn't changed much if we're being you know, honest,
outside of some of the quarterbacks that have come in
and in regards to at least the offensive play I'm
talking about defensively, when you're going up against these defenses.
Still a lot of similarities you see to what it
was and what it has been and always will be.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Kenny Pikett knows what it feels like to be a
rookie in the AFC North. So does Joe Flacco, and
they're a little ways away from being that. I think
it's a daunting task for a quarterback to have to
step into a division that has those types of defenses.
(18:10):
And so now you ask yourself the question, what does
that look like? I will continue to ask the question
until I see the roster come out. Is who is
going to stay? Who is going to go? Joe Flacco
today gives the Cleveland Browns the best opportunity to win
right now. What does can he Pickett do in this scenario?
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In this situation, I don't know. I would argue and
push back on allow me to go and go find
a starting job somewhere else. Like I feel like Kenny
Pickett should be actually trying to make do with what
he has going on right now, being on the roster
of the Cleveland Browns and seeing what he can do
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with that. And if he doesn't win, then Hopefully you
get an opportunity because of the age of Joe Flacco.
Maybe he stalls out because of his age and doesn't
play as well, and you lay in the wings and
have a job and have the opportunity to possibly start
during the year. I think the hypothetical of him not
wanting to be there if they start Flacco, to me
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could be a misled dream of going somewhere else and
being somebody else's starter.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
The other thing with Flacco too, when people like, well,
you know you're here to be a mentor, It's like, no,
kiss my ass, I'm here to start like he would.
He won Comeback Player of the Year and by the way,
he wasn't signed till November. It's not like he had
a training camp this He's actually got an actual training
camp with the Browns and Stefanski this year. He didn't
start till week thirteen, and in that short amount of
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time he won Comeback Player of the Year and put
together a hell of a run and got them to
the postseason. So if I'm Flacco, no man like this
is I know I can still play. I just showed
it recently, like I want every opportunity to be the
guy I'm not here to mentor anybody, And I think
it was one hundred percent spot.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
It's set up. It's set up for him to have success.
The bigger question now becomes how many are you going
to carry? And who's going to be the next up?
And I just don't see it being Dylan Gabriel or
Shador Sanders.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So then now it becomes is it is it going
to be Kenny Pickett? I mean, stick to me, it
does represent to me that they are trying to win.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
If you do not keep Picket and.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Flacco after you spent the off season getting a hold
of them, if you do not keep them, then you're
saying to me, in my estimation, you are okay with
this team taking a noseedive if the starter goes down,
if the second guy leaves because they want to go
play somewhere else, or flag go's like I'm not starting,
I'll just retire, whatever.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
It may be.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
You're saying to me that you're okay with this season
going in a totally different direction, because if you're going
to throw one of these rookies into that type of
situation to start, they got an opportunity just as much
to be a superstar in that situation and come in
and lift the team up. But that's a long shot.
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I think it's a long shot to trust the Cleveland
Browns into a rookie, a first year player. If you're
thinking that you're still going to be competitive. If a
guy of the age of Joe Flacco ends up being your.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Starter, I think we'll know if they're thinking nosedive or
just tank this year if they just start Deshaun Watson
as is, you know, like still has his stick like
stitches in like I.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Just hey, listen, that'll do. That'll do.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
We'll just put you in shotgun still run around anywhere
and throw the ball.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Got him out there and crutches and shotgun.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
He's still got staples in the back of his legs, aaron.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
And like a nurse down give you.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Oh no, yeah, too soon for that. It's got a
bedpan next on. I'd be too soon for that.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, why not, because that's not enough clothing on to
say it. Yeah, well, it will be your towel. It
might actually prefer that you might play better. Yeah, he
might deliver the goods. Probably probably laying down a lot.
I know that Bluetooth dot Com yeah, definitely. I wonder
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h hopefully his back's all right.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
I know that.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
Why can't we just finish the conversation before you have
to like just cut it off.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
I thought we were dumb because we were so late. Why.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
We're always so late. We always always take a segment
further than normal. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yeah, well, listen to Joe Flacco will be the guy
that'll be your starter, and then uh, they'll just have
to figure out whether or not. I will say this,
if you were HBO, wouldn't you would prefer if you
could could have the Browns for Hard Knocks this off
season as opposed to the Bills based on the storyline alone.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, probably. I mean my thing is, did we ever
redact or correct the video and the conversation we had
about Shador and all that. Everyone assumed it was his car.
He came out and made a statement said it wasn't
because he was on the video. It was hard to
piece together. And then I believe the car was for
Dion Jr.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Though right, well, it was that was there talking about
the car. That was who was on the phone. That
was Lee's reckless reporting on that well that.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
He was he was holding the phone received the vehicle.
It was my assumption that that vehicle was for him.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I just knew it was. It was delivered to It
looked like primes of State, and it was wanted.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
I did think.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I felt like I heard Shador say, did they show
you my car?
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Right? I heard that in there, right, but it was
meaning like a if this one isn't his?
Speaker 5 (24:01):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Lee.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Are you going to address your reckless reporting on the
on the car situation with the Sanders family?
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Well, I'll let Deon Junior said say it. I mean
to quote him. He said, why would y'all think this
was Shadors? Who said anything about this being Chadors? Nobody
said that. Y'all just made your own story and ran
with it. Deon Junior said in a video titled y'all
got to stop lying on this on you on his
YouTube channel.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Lee, that's directed right at you, boy, there possibly could.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Be directed now. Hold on, when I reported it.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
What sort of what sort of gas smiles would you
get all the way to Vancouver in that car?
Speaker 7 (24:44):
When I reported it, I did say people are speculating
and that Chador is came out and said that y'all
are lying about it.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I'm focused on the Browns right now.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (24:55):
But he was in the video and he did say
in the video is my car there? So that's why
people were speculating he was on FaceTime with Dean Or.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
But that's not what he ended up saying.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
The fact that he's telling y'all that that everybody's lying
out here. It's not Schador's car. I mean, it's not
his car. It's not that's that's car. Yeah, that's a conclusion.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And by the way, how about your buddy Miles Garrett
not at OTAs because he's in Japan with his girlfriend
Chloe Kim. Uh, it's funny. It's funny quarterback does that?
He gets a bunch of goback? A defensive player does that?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
No, by the way, there's some people out there with
some strong opinions on Aaron Rodgers not being at OTAs
in Pittsburgh. I'm like, well, he's not under contract, Like
not only not with the team, he's not under contract.
And you have other players you are that are not
showing up. Either he has a contract dispute or they're
rehabbing and a party or they're with their loved ones
(25:54):
and somewhere. It goes to show you what players are
thinking now of OTAs, like they just do not value
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Speaker 3 (26:19):
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Speaker 4 (26:26):
Though.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Yeah, apparently there was some activities going on, but you know,
not the uh activities you would see at sort of
you know, an NFL facility anywhere. These sort of OTAs
took place on a boat, and we've got the details
for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
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Speaker 3 (27:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Nax with you here. Coming
up in a little over twelve minutes from now. They're
going to try and explain to you why they did
what they did in the NFL. All right, they're going
to try it, but we all know the truth. We'll
get into that for you a get a little over
twelve minutes from now. Mike Rabel has had to respond
(27:20):
to something. There was a video that surfaced of Stefan Diggs,
oh brand new New England Patriots, signed a three year
deal with the Patriots in the off season, still working
his way back from the knee injury he suffered last
year with the Texans.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
But there's a vide back quick whatever that was.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
He's on a boat with three women and some tussy
in a ziploc bag.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
So what to see? What is that?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It's drug? It's pink cocaine. There you go, it's ketamine
and some other stuff in it. And so he pulls
out this ziploc bag full of tossy and uh, he's
with Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
With three women on this boat, what kind of women
say up top, up top? What God, there's.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
There's only one snow bunny. If that's what we're.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Referring to, I gotta go back and look at it.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
It's a diverse group of people.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
So Mike Rabel, the head coach of the Patriots, was asked,
was asked about the video, and uh, he had this
to say.
Speaker 8 (28:38):
Well, that's something that we're aware of, and obviously we
want to make great decisions on and off the field,
and we're hoping that, uh, with our time here on
the field today and that when we don't have a
script and we're on the call up periods, that we're
making great decisions. And so the message will be the
same for all our players that we were trying to
make great decisions and any conversations that I've had with
(28:58):
Stefan or between him and I and the club.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
So there was Mike Rabel, Uh, you know, tel very
very annoyed that he was having to address the fact
that his player was not at OTAs and is on
a boat with three women and some two c.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
You say it like that. Leavar can speak to this too,
because when you're a guy who played No, not that
when you're when your guy who played in the trenches
and you have a wide receiver who's coming back from
an injury, he's not around the team, he's off doing
other things, and I don't want to say diva, but
like has that sort of you know, reputation. It has
(29:39):
to grind your gears. If you're Mike Rabel, you have
to be so frustrated that this is something that you
have to talk about and deal with. I would imagine
LeVar that's the mentality being a guy who played in
the trenches.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I'll say this, We certainly identified our receivers, and some
more than others were super divas. I mean they were divas.
I mean receivers are divas. Not all receivers are divas,
but some of them are really really divash. And and
that's you know, that's something that I would assume that
(30:15):
go Lee, It's something that I would assume is a
part of the position grouping. So anyway, I think the
point of it is is that it's one thing to
not be at OTA's, it's another thing to not be
at OTAs and then have something like this pop up
on you and I mean, I know, for me, if
(30:35):
he was my teammate, I'd be looking at I wouldn't
be upset that the to say it showed up.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
I'd be more bothered by.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
I'd be more bothered by the fact that while I
do not partake in those things, where is my invite?
I would have been more upset that you did, because
it seemed like there was a lot of people on there.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Where was my invite?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Stuph you know, I mean like we're not in this together, Like,
all right, that's good, I see, I see where we're
at on I kind of feel like he like you
should be called, uh, Stefan league the lat But you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (31:15):
It does.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
It does harken back, to use an old timey word,
uh to a video that was out when Stefan Diggs
was a member of the Minnesota Vikings and somebody went
into the locker room and started asking various players on
the Vikings, who would you not want to date your sister?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
And this is how it went down.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
Devin, what kind of team would you least like to
date your sister?
Speaker 9 (31:43):
What the.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
No, we don't leave it like that. No, okay, what
guy on.
Speaker 5 (31:54):
This team of Stepan Diggs.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Why Diggs, He's just he's crazy, he's just outrages.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
At least I to day my sister digs one hundred.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
Why Digs, because he's just he's not a guy that
you want to bring home to your parents, Like you
don't want your sister to bring him home to your parents,
so therefore she can't date him.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
But damn you get him on a boat with a
bag of toussay.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
He's the guy, But what does that say about the
people standing there in front of his face?
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Though?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
If they know that about chefon Diggs, you gotta believe
the people around him got an idea.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
But he is he dating?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (32:35):
Uh, car Cardy d or whatever her name is, Like.
Speaker 5 (32:38):
Yeah, she was on the boat too, Oh she was yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Oh so there you go. Oh perfect type of girl.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah, I don't know if she was in the clips
of the video. I'm pretty sure she was in the boat. Lee,
can you back me up on this with your research?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Yes, she was on the boat too. Uh. She also
likes to partake.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
In the and all of that, by the way, all
of it, not just the bag, but but Lee, how.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Much does a zip lock bag full of two say
it cost? I wish I knew. You have no idea. Oh,
come on, I never knew what tussy was.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Are the price different not toussy, it's too sy?
Speaker 4 (33:14):
Exactly? Is the price difference in Vancouver? Yelly? What what's
the difference? Uh? In America and then abroad? I'll do
some research.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
If you go from Seattle to Vancouver, it's not that far,
but price wise, the tariffs, the tariffs. Yeah, well, you
don't have any information on I know ketamine is in Uh.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
I've never heard of it until just now. I would
say years old when I heard of.
Speaker 10 (33:42):
It.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
And by the way, we don't know for sure if
it if that's what it could be fun dip.
Speaker 7 (33:47):
I think I just got flagged on the work computer
here literally said I cannot ask this question.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Really. Yeah, I heard it's a cocktail though it's got
like molly and then a couple other things mixed in. Oh,
not that I know, I just I've heard.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Okay, Well, hey, uh, there's sure update on Stefan Diggs
and his boat trip.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I hope it don't cost him a job, man, honestly,
Like on a more serious note, I hope you know
you gotta be responsible man, Like the world we live
in now is just crazy, man.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
I mean he was plenty of responsible. He carried it
in his ziplock back.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
I mean it was very well secured. I mean, what
do you want to like open it up and have it,
you know, the wind blow it everywhere.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Oh yeah, crooks, you gotta have cruks. Thought he handled
it solid.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
I mean, do we know that it happened exactly at
this time? It could have been an old video. How
do we know it's a current video?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Good point. Maybe it was back when he was in Maryland.
I mean maybe maybe not that far back, but maybe not.
Speaker 5 (34:59):
That Not that you subjects for my buddies. Just send
me a photo of a guy driving a Tesla, but
he's got a sticker on the back that says Elon
and would like crossed out. And my assumption would be
that so many people are king Tesla's that they're trying
to like state I'm not with Elon, but I still
drive my Tesla.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Yeah, I see him out here in l A, a
bunch of them.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
What d bags? If you were to make a statement
just sell your car, go get a different car, then, jeez, d.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Bag, right, here's that I was thinking about getting a Tesla.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Like we went from from Tesla.
Speaker 5 (35:41):
I'm gonna put a sticker on the back that that
don't engage you from getting keyed?
Speaker 4 (35:45):
How do you? How do you?
Speaker 5 (35:46):
It's like, hey, a hold, they don't see the back
of your car the entire time, like half the time,
They're only going to see the side of it. You'll
probably keep it and walk away and be like, oh,
I should have done it to that Tesla owner.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
By the way, if you are is that a sniffler
or is that a smoker or out of popper?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Like?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
What is it? What that pink stuff? The tissy? Yeah?
I don't know, Lee, What do you do with that?
How do you consume it? Lee? No idea, you don't
sprinkle that at buzzball. I'll do some research for you, okay.
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Speaker 6 (37:03):
Western Conference Finals. Most Valuable Player trophy is appropriately named
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The winner of the Magic Johnson Trophy for the twenty
twenty five Western Conference Finals Most Valuable Player is Shay guilt.
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Is Tam There you go.
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(37:47):
I'm struggling for other storylines to pull from that game
last night.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
That just it was yeah, and it felt like an
ass kicking from start to finish, Like it really didn't
feel like Minnesota was ever in that game.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
But it's good to see the best team for the series.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
And I'm still upset, still upset that, uh they didn't
borrow that cavalanche. They only got used once this year
in Cleveland. I just thought I would have fit in
well in Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
And they're gonna bring that back, right, they'll bring it back.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Yeah, I mean you'd hope.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
So you spent like half a million on it, right,
it might have worked on that boat with stuff on.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Damn it, the pink cavalanche.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
Oh no, it's a toy way lanche.
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