July 15, 2025 • 40 mins
SEC Commissioner, Greg Sankey, lays out how they and the Big Ten have different philosophies on the College Football Playoff. Garrett Wilson gets a big payday from the Jets. Plus, Christian McCaffrey looks primed for the season after having his first child.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox
Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you
here hour two of this Tuesday extravaganza here on FSR.
Quite the first hour. Quite the first hour under our belt,
looking back on the home run derby and well the
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other chaos that is currently going on. By the way,
the good news is the debate about the college football
playoff format is still raging on.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
So that's the good news.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
SEC media days are going on, so everybody's there, every
blowhard who's a blowhard from the Southeastern Conference is all
there ready to discuss the college football playoff potential expansion.
You got Greg Sank the SEC commissioners talking about, you know,
how many conference games are playing, and so he took
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time yesterday to discuss the differences in opinions on what
the college football playoff format will look like between them
and the Big Ten, and also just this whole playing
eight conference games as opposed to everybody else. Let's take
a listen to the SEC commission.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
We had a different view coming out of Dustin around
the notion of allocations. If you will, then I think
you'll probably hear that again from our coaches. The Big
Ten has a different Dude, that's fine. We have a
twelve team playoff, five conference champions that could stay. If
we can't agree. I think there's this notion that there
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has to be some magic moment and something has to
happen with expansion and it has to be for It
is absolutely, fully, one hundred percent correct that in the
SEC we play eight conference games while some others play
nine conference games. Never been a secret. It's also correct
that last season all sixteen members of the Southeastern Conference
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played at least nine games against what you would label
power opponents. We had several that played ten of their
twelve games against power opponents. Some conferences have that, some don't.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
There's anyone looking to swap their conference schedule and its
opponents with the opponents played by Southeastern Conference teams in
our conference schedule, be it eight or nine.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Oh my god, I love going emotional sensitive out here.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Lovell's he's stating what I think some people might agree with.
I think if you're comparing the SEC to the ACC
and the Big twelve, and no disrespect to those conferences,
but I think most would agree. I think the tough
thing for me with buying into this notion that Greg
Sankee's making is the Big ten whoop y'all last year?
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I mean, you're the team that was carrying the flag
for you last year was really Texas. That was their
first year in the conference. So if you want to
go that route, you can go that route, and you
can make those comments in regards about your eight conference
games versus other conferences having to play nine. But there's
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a lot of parenting in these other conferences too. I mean,
ask for some ask someone like Lincoln Riley who left Oklahoma.
Some would say because who didn't want to have to
play in the SEC because he thought it'd be a
a harder route to go, maybe left to go to
a team that's plays in the Pac twelve that's no
longer there, and now is you know, complaining about their
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Big Ten schedule and those nine conference teams that having
to play an additional tough nine conference like Notre Dame.
So there's going to be coaches that could make that
same claim about the Big Ten schedule. The smart thing
that the SEC has done is, you know, they've been
able to kind of plant this flag and basically state like, look,
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we feel like our conference is the best based on
how the regular season went last year. I think going
into the playoff, you would have thought that like they
were the strongest conference. It felt like at least at
the top. Unfortunately didn't work out from once again in
the playoff, Tennessee blown away by a house state I
was at. That game wasn't even close. Wasn't even close Georgia.
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I mean, look, it was unfortunate that you know, Carson
Beck was hurt. You had to go in with a
freshman backup to play that game versus Notre Dame. But
that game wasn't even didn't even seem as close at
times as a score predicted so we can we can
go through each one of the games the playoffs when
all those teams got the score offers one another. I
mean Texas almost lost Arizona State. Yes that was a
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double overtime game, but that game could have gone a
lot different too. So they were holding on for dear
life when it came down to it, just to be
a part of the four teams that were in the
semi final. So I look at it and say, like,
I understand this is the point he wants to make.
I would push back a bit too, about some of
the top teams in the Big Ten and they do
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play nine conference games, and the other thing I'd say
about those twelve you know, three other you know games
are going to play on their schedule as he's talking about, Well,
we play eight plus you know one power whatever opponent.
Yet you also play layups in November too. You also
play double direction like Northwest Southeastern whatever school as well.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Well.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Look, I mean, I'm I'm not going to destroy as
a program, but I'm saying there are some there are
far worse teams they play. They'll play FCS teams. Yeah,
So I sit here and look at it and go
hold on for a second, This is a diversion tactic.
You're trying to get everyone to look at how tough
your conference is. For eight games. It's so tough, we
don't need to play nine it's so tough. Well, yeah,
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you don't really play anyone anyway after the conference games.
So that's that's part of their argument is just trying
to say, hey, don't look over here, don't look at
how weak some of the non conference schedules are, or
and by the way, when we play those non conference games,
don't look at that, or don't look at the fact
that if you go back to the fourteen playoff, how
hard it was for teams that actually had to play
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those nine conference games, and how that impacted their ability
then to get into the fourteen playoff, go back and
look at those stats. Well, that was one of the
easiest pass for the SEC because then only played at
conference tamps, so it was one less game they really
had to worry about within conference. Big Ten had to
deal with that. A lot of other conferences had to
deal with that, not the SEC. And the last thing
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I'll say is there's a thought, and I hope they
expand a sixteen and I hope they do the model
of five conference champions and eleven at large bids. The
reason why the SEC is pushing it is because they
believe they will get more than what they would be allocated.
And you use that word before if they were going
to have automatic qualifiers, because if they have automatic qualifiers,
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they'll each get four and the big twelve in the
ACC they get a couple each two automatically, right, So
they're in, and then you get your group of five,
then you get your at large bids. And the SEC
feels like they will have a better chance of getting
more teams into the playoff with a five conference champion
model and eleven at large bids as opposed to going
the automatic qualifier route five at large bids. When it's
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all said and done, if you expanded to sixteen, So
I look at that and say let's find out, then
let's expand and let's really see what it looks like,
because I think they're going to be surprised in the
end with the way this all pans out. But pushing
for the sixteen sixteen team expansion with five conference champions
and eleven at large bids, it allows them, by playing
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only eight conference games to get some of those teams
in there. I just think it's rich coming off this
past year where you got three loss teams that were
trying to, you know, basically say hey, we should be in,
we should be a part of the conversation, and you
really didn't hear too many other conference is saying that
unless their team was a conference champ, which makes it
a little different.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I feel like there should be a cap on the
Power five conferences the amount of teams. That's what I
feel right Like I think about like high school, like
how the playoffs work. There were teams that could have
had really really good seasons and they missed the playoffs
just based upon how it was structured to get into
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the playoffs out of your you know, if it was
Quad a North, if it was Quad a South, what
so on and so forth, Like the winner of the
conference went to the playoffs. Like if you have one
or two teams, like Okay, the team that wins the conference,
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they get in.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Great.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think that's how it should be. They should be
automatically in if they win their conference. But I say
cap it off at like one other team, like Okay,
the runner up gets to go in. They qualify to
get into the playoffs. I feel like it makes the
regular season more competitive, and it makes it fair for
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the conferences that aren't going to have the opportunities based
off of who they may play.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
To get in.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Miami should have been in.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
There are a couple teams that should have been in
the playoffs last year. But if this is all about
how many teams we can get out of the Big
Ten or the SEC into the playoffs, I feel like
there's something to me in that structure based alone, There's
something that's wrong with that because even as good as
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those conferences are, why would I as a player go
to a conference and play for a team in the
SEC or the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
The reason is is because I want.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
To have the opportunity to play for national championship. You know,
outside obviously the educational component of it. You want to
go to a school in most cases where you have
the opportunity to compete for championship. Every team pretty much,
pretty much not every team, but pretty much the teams
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that are usually the teams that are going to make
it far are the teams that generally make it far.
So to me, if we're talking about making your money,
make your money during your season, make the money during
your season, and understand that whoever makes it to the
Big Ten championship, those are the teams that are going
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to represent your conference in the playoffs. SEC ACC, those
are the teams that are going to represent your team
in the conference. And then leave the rest of those
games outside of the traditional Power five conferences. Leave the
rest of those teams for the institutions that actually have
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a fair opportunity of competing in the playoffs. I do
not want to see all like four or five six
teams out of a conference go to the playoff and compete.
That's just like me watching the Big Ten. It's just
like me watching the SEC during the season.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, but if they're the best teams in the country.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
White doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The playoffs are the playoffs.
It's the playoffs. If you're in that conference and you're
one of the best teams, then you have to show
you're one of the best teams and qualify to compete
for the conference title, then go to the playoffs. Just
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to me, that's how I feel like it would make
sense for the simple fact that if you're not, if
you're just gonna take a whole bunch of teams from
the major the major conferences, then why have the other
conferences out there? Oh, your conference isn't good enough, We're
always going to take two or three more teams from
these two conferences. To me, Okay, if that's what you're
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gonna do, then just have an SEC versus the Big Ten,
you know situation I'm in.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Okay, Well, well.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I think it feels like we're slowly kind of moving
towards that a little bit with how this has been
discussed and the Big Ten and the SEC being the
two biggest movers in all this. But again, just so
people understand the contrast between what both conferences are pushing for,
the SEC saying the five dis similar to last year,
with a twelve team playoff, the five highest rank conference
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champs get automatic bids into the playoff and obviously preferential seating,
and then they'll be eleven at large bids based on
how the College twelve Playoff Committee ranks those teams. The
other is a sixteen team expanded playoff where you have
four from the Big Ten and those would be seated
ranked obviously based on their finish, So the Big Ten
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champion runner up, et cetera. The SEC would get there
four SEC champ runner up, et cetera, and then you'd
have the big twelve acc and you'd have probably those
two teams that played for their conference championship ultimately make
it in. At least that's my assumption. But what what
I go back to is if you look at that
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format that takes you to what twelve teams, so you
get you're gonna get one of the spot for the
highest ranked group of five champ okay, and then you've
got a couple at large bits when it's all said
and done left over. So the hard thing about that
is it doesn't feel like there's quite as much room
to allow some of those teams that you mentioned Miami
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that you know were maybe that bubble team that could
have should have gotten in. Someone mentioned me the other
day about BYU last year. With that, you know, they
were nine and oh one point the season. You know
they were a team that you probably could have made
a case for too based on their strength of schedule.
So I understand where you're coming from with all this.
I think what's that play here and what's being discussed
is about money, and no one ever wants to say
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it or reveal it. But that's what it's about. You know,
each one of these teams that enters into the playoff
is a certain amount of money that that conference gets,
and so the Big Ten's view probably if they're pushing
an agenda for you know, four, I'm out of qualifiers
and to it at least gives each conference, Hey, this
is the minimum of what you're gonna make from this. Now,
depending on how the teams perform, depending on if you
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get any other at large bid, you know, that could
could play a role too, but we at least know
every single year structurally how much money you can minimum
at a minimum, you know, plan on, whereas the five
conference champs eleven at largest like that could fluctuate mightily,
and that's probably why there's some concern for maybe the
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ACEC or the Big twelve where they only get one
team in, they might get you know, locked out altogether,
or maybe even from the Big Ten and saying just like, hey,
we don't want a year where there's this perception that
the SEC is better, even though the reality is when
you start actually playing, that's not the truth. But that's
not the reality of how strong each conference is. So look,
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I'm not smart enough to the right answer for it.
I just personally like seeing you know, there'd be the
conference champions rewarded. If those games are still meaningful, then
make them meaningful, make them mean something where they get
automatically into the playoff with preferential seating, and then have
your you know, eleven at large bits. I think that's
the fairest way to playoff for it, and we see
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who's the best of the best. I just I do
hope that somehow the College Football Playoff Committee can eliminate
the bias they've had towards the SEC, because we saw
how that played out last year in the playoff, and
the SEC got absolutely drummed in a lot of those
circumstances and they were not as strong as what everyone
portrayed them to be. It's like, all right, this, these
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are the teams you threw in there, and yet you're
still lobbying for old mess and lobbying for Alabama teams
that lost, you know, have them the three games last year.
It's like, really forgetting that's that's what you want to see.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
South Carolina too, was found on the tab.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I just somebody come up with a conclusion, somebody come
up with an answer and then let's just go from there.
But it's just it's the back and forth between commissioners
defending their conference and.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They should I should defend it, but you know, they
should defend it.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I mean, but why not?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Why not if it's all about the guarantee of the
amount of money, why not have it play out where
both both conferences have a showdown, you know, like, okay,
you have your qualifiers, you know, your elite teams in
the Big Ten, and you have your elite teams and
the SEC and and have them battle it out to
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get into the playoffs, the playoff, so they the Big
Ten has actually thrown that out there that.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
There would be a seeding too, So the Big Ten
championshipould look a little different like they would obviously the
top two teams would play off for the championship, but
then you maybe even have you know, three through six
would play, and the winners of those games to play
for the final two spots. Now, the only thing I'll
say about that format is, well, then outside of playing
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for the conference championship, which is kind of meaningless, I
guess maybe it's not to some, but it feels a
little bit right because because the losers automatically in So
that's the only problem with that format where I'm like, yeah,
it sounds fun and enticing, but there's also not as
much on the line, because ultimately, you'd rather have a
national championship over a conference championship, would you not?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Yeah, but look at it this way.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We had a national champion that wasn't even a conference champion.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Correct, and I could go high State would rather have
a national champion? I think they would.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
They I think they would too.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I think they'd rather beat Michigan at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think they will. I think I would rather have
a national title. We've had this debate before, but I
would rather have a national title.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
So at the end of the day, how much if
I can say, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We won the Big Ten, like you think Oregon is
happy with we won Big Ten, but yet couldn't win
against the team that they won the Big Ten against.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
To me, I feel like, whatever it is that you're
gonna do, they're still with all the amount of schools
that exists around the country. If you're trying to make
it in the in the essence of true competition, I
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would be working to try to get as many teams
into the tournament. That are are teams that you would
be like a BYU. I know people are like, well,
when you had Penn State versus Boise State, that's not
or Boise that's not as as you know, entertaining, that's
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not gonna move. I'm talking pure competition. I want to
see the best teams out there competing in the playoff.
Like if you had a good and you're not in
the playoff because your conference isn't as strong.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
As the SEC or the Big Ten, to me, that's
a miss. That's a miss in.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The true essence of what competition is supposed to be,
and parody and going to a school and doing all
of the same workouts that these Big ten and SEC
schools are doing in the summer, all of these practices
that they're doing during the course of the year, and
yet they don't have the same opportunity. If you're getting recruited,
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why would you go to a school where you stand
the chance of doing everything as close to perfect as
you possibly can and still don't get an opportunity to
compete in the tournament. I think it really really handicaps
these other schools having the opportunity outside of being able
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to financially compete in terms of what you're going to
give a five star or a four star or transfer portal guy.
Outside of the money that you can offer, what is
your incentive to go to a school that isn't in
the big ten at the top for one or in
the SEC. I just think that that's to me. I
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think the people that really kind of suffer here are
those athletes that want to go to a school that
may not be the traditional Alabama or or you know,
Tennessee or whatever it may be, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
If you want to go.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
To Rutgers, go to Rutgers.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
If you want to go to Miami, go to Miami.
I just don't feel like, you know, I just don't
feel like all these teams are being considered. There's only
a couple conferences that are being considered. And I feel
like that's hard. That's a hard one for me.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, well it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Nothing's harder than uh and what we got on.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
On WHOA Oh buddy, I don't know where.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
You By the way, why does league get so defensive?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Where is Lee Lorenda? Where is he I don't know,
did he just walk? This is why he went to
the bathroom.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
This is why Lee doesn't want to be on camera,
is because then he would have to be held accountable.
But meanwhile, I was waiting in the zoom room and
he's like, oh, when was this? I found him. I
even believe he couldn't wait for the break to take
a dumpling.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I was adding some other stuff for later in the show.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Oh man, acting like he'd be working.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Hard, working, hard boy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That that is funny. Look you do look stretched out
right now.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I'm actually pretty okay right now. But if you guys
want the zoom meeting has been sent back out.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Never you guys want to join us? Never win you
ready for you?
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Thanks Lee, You're very welcome.
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here and at the Home Depot, it is about time
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pro desk the Home Depot. Pro It's about time. Congratulations
to the New York Jets. They found somebody who wants
to stay there long term. That's somebody is Garrett Wilson,
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who agreed to reportedly a four year, one hundred and
thirty million dollar contract, ninety million of it guaranteed, so
puts them in the top five of wide receivers paid
in the NFL. Reportedly didn't get along well with Aaron
Rodgers last year. That was a little bit of an
issue for them, and he decided, listen, you know, I
don't know if I want to be here long term.
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The Jets figure out a way to get the deal done.
Garrett Wilson locked up for the immediate future, and now
he gets to play with his good buddy Justin Fields
now who takes over the helmet QB for the for
the Jets there. So good job, Sauce Gardner. I'm assuming
would be up next if they're going to get a
deal done in an extension there.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
So they got some business to do this offseason. But
that deal is one that puts him up in a
category where I think he's that caliber of player. But
he's had a litany of quarterbacks he's played with, and
you would have thought the Rogers situation would have played
out better for him, but the injury in year one,
which then led to, you know, the offseason that brought
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in Devonte Adams, who's Rogers you know, best friend or
number one target, which then impacts Wilson a little bit
last year, even though he still had a big year.
It's just it's been an odd it's been an odd
career so far for Garrett Wilson. But maybe that's when
you're in New York Jet and you're there that long,
that's usually works out.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
They're going to get you at some point.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah, at some point. What is Lee doing right now? Lee?
You are all over the place? Dude? Well, I know,
well I am using my phone.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Now where would y'all rank Garrett Wilson? Like, it's a
it seems like a big deal. Ninety ninety million guaranteed?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, if you're if you're breaking it down, what
will we assume assess that to be by year? Because
isn't Jefferson and those guys in the forty range?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
What does that breakdown to?
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Well, he got one hundred and thirty million total, so
you're looking at over thirty million per year, right, which
puts them up with that category but the ninety million
gives them three years of guarantees. And I mean that's
honestly pretty damn good for a player that's you know,
looked at as a non quarterback to get three years
of guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't see him as a top five, top seven
elite receiver in the league. I mean I would, I
would give that to a couple other guys. I mean
obviously Chase Jefferson Brown, the two Browns, A J. Brown,
Iman Ross, Saint Brown, Tyreek Hill, C. D. Lamb, Like
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these are the guys, uh, you know you have an
aging Mike Evans. You know, Stefan Diggs is coming off
of an injury, Cooper Cup had a rough year, Deebo
Samuel might be.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
A little overweight.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But these are still names that I would you caught that,
these are still names I would use and say Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It puts him, It puts him in between C. D.
Lamb and or DK Metcalf and AJ Brown. So he's
right up right above A. J. Brown, right below D. K.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Mecken.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What does that mean for Terry McLaurin and him trying
to get a long term like how he's getting paid two.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Let me ask you this, though, Leavar, how much of
that has to do though, with the situation that he's
been in as compared to some of the other you mentioned,
Alma Ross, Saint Brown, Almon Ross, Saint Brown's a hell
of a player. No one's gonna dispute that, but he
all so, I was able to put up a lot
of production because you know, they had Ben Jonson as
their offensive coordinator. He's one of the best offensive minds.
It's wise in Chicago golf can slant. You know, he
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was drafted number one overall and he's obviously brought a
lot of success to Detroit. We've we've known that, so
you know, there's been more stability in some of those
situations with some of those players you know you've mentioned
and talked about. I think that's one of the biggest
differences for me is he's the New York Jet, so
that it hasn't it's been anything but that. Really when
you think about the list of quarterbacks he's played with,
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but also maybe even through coaches and offensive systems and
all that too.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, the set reality of that is is that
that's what many players are are defined by their careers
are defined by those uncertainties, those coaching changes that you know,
that's you know, that's how the To me, that's how
the NFL works, and whether it's fortunate for owners and
(28:57):
some some degree because they don't have to necessarily reward
a player who finds themselves in an environment like that. You,
I guess you do reward the players that that play
well in the environments where they do have a coach
that creates a stable environment, a coaching staff that is
able to tap into what makes the player the player.
(29:21):
But to me, I just look at it from from
it's probably difficult to make it apples that apples comparison
when you say, okay, this this coaching staff has created stability,
they've been there that the kids or the players entire
career versus this one who has a whole a defense
coordinator or I mean a coordinator every single year, a
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new quarterback every single year. I mean, it's still based
off of paying off of what potential because he's dealing
with those circumstances, or if it's a rookie, you're dealing
with potential. And I just I just feel like, how
do you you how do you reward a player that
if you know they're playing for a trash a trash situation,
(30:06):
it's it's you still have to make the determination that
the value is the value based off I would assume
what their accomplishments and their achievements are, and if that's
what it's based off of, then I think it's hard
to make Garrett Wilson a you know, a top top guy,
even if he could be that top guy if he
(30:28):
were playing for you know, Sean Sinnatty or yeah right, yeah,
you know that depending on you know, where he ended up,
just the luck of the draw.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
And that's what I thought of us have to deal with.
I get that. I think that's I mean, look, I'll
be honest. I think one of the reasons why a
team like the Jets pam is Jennie. Do you remember
when I figure what Bill Belichick was doing. It was
one of those games where it was Monday Football and
he was he was he, you know, kind of chimed
in with the Mannings on their manning cast, and he
was just like Garrol Wilson, Caro, get Garlson the ball,
(30:59):
get garlils He probably said Gara Wilson's name ten times.
I mean he is. I don't know if there's a
bigger fan of Garret Wilson his ability than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean, Gara Wilson had the best season of his
career last year and didn't like the quarterback and then
ended up getting paid and now he gets justin fields
in there, and I just it's the first year he
was eligible to get paid. So maybe till LaVar's point,
you probably could have waited a little bit, but he didn't.
You know, It's not like he reset the market. So
in two years from now, who the hell knows what
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the highest paid wide receiver is going to be. I
just wonder if part of this was the Jets just
letting everybody know, like this is like the first sign
of all right, we've got everything figured out. We've got
guys that we trust here, We've got guys in the
building that we like. We want to keep him around
long term, sauce Gard and it will be next. What's
interesting about it is those are Joe Douglas picks, and
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they couldn't wait to fire him, So like these were
Joe Douglas guys that he drafted, And if I'm not mistaken,
I think wasn't Garrett Wilson Offensive Rookie of the Year
and Sauce Gardner Defensive Rookie of the Year in the
same season. And you know that that GM got shown
the showing, the shown the door last year, so good
(32:13):
for them.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
LaVar, what would you what would you call that the
Jets organization dysfunctional? Why, that's what I hear you said.
Usually you do that the whole dysfunction, this dysfunction.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Disfunction, malfunction within the organization. It's called dysfunction. And talent
cannot outperform dysfunction.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It cannot.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And that's sad because talent can perform, it just won't outperform.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I mean, do you think Gary Wilson's gonna give Aaron
Rodgers a shout out and be like, hey, thanks for
getting me paid, man, Like, thanks for thanks for having
me put together a career year. Uh, you know, only
to see you get alienated by the organization. They give
him a shout out, give him a little bonus, you know,
throw him a few bucks, or is he just gonna
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disrespect Rogers and just say, now, listen, you know I
could have done it with anybody.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Okay, ninety million guaranteed. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't really care. I'm just happy about my ninety
million guaranteed. So sure, I don't have no problem with Rogers.
I got ninety million reasons to be Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
LeVar, for ninety million guaranteed, would you watch for the
rest of your life every single home run Derby and
they're all starting, Ah.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
For the rest of my life ninety million? How many
hours every day have to watch a home run day?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
It's every hours of hours. It's three hours a year.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I mean I do radio with y'all three hours every day.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yeah, different, ninety million different. Yeah, yeah, this is the
home run Derby three three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm I feel like at some point, I mean, I'd
be happy to watch the home run Derby if.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
You need to be.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
You need to be enthusiastic about it. I mean, I'm saying,
like standing up, breaking it down, like all excited about it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Every day for the rest of my life. Not every day,
I would say, once a year for three hours. Well
once a year, Yeah, you got to be for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I'm saying, for like when you're ninety five, you still
got to be watching that thing and like standing up
with your your walker or whatever and they're all chanted cheering.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I could pull that one off, Okay, I could do
I could do fake enthusiasm. Really really, I.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Think one of those years you might slip up and
miss it. You might be like I shoot forgot forgot's
I have a ninety.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Million I got that thing on on on alarm, Like,
I'm gonna have alarms leading up to the event itself,
Like if I missed it, it decute me from the
ninety million.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I'd have alarms, Like, you are nine.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Days away the event, and the event starts at this time.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Would you be sober during these home run derbies? Uh?
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Maybe half years? You have to be. That's part of this.
You have to be dead sober.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Oh well, I mean, because here's the thing, ninety million
dollars to watch the home run derby every year. I'm
I'm doing a pre day you know, pre day uh tailgate.
I'm gonna do a day of the game or day
of the derby tailgate.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Like so if I'm not allowed to drink, I'll get
me a nice mocktail, eat me some some links off
of the grill. We're gonna we're gonna be getting it
in watch it on big, really make it a spectacle.
You know, rent out of place maybe in Vegas, be
ninety five with my walker and and at like one
of the you know that that pool that that that
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has the big TVs and stuff like that, like the big, big,
big giant stadium TV.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
I rent that joint out every year.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Like let's go Levar's party there is over there, ninety
five years old, still going strong.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Bam.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, circa is the circa?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah there, it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Is pretty sweet. Was this stadium swim? I think it's
called Let's yeah, Let's go Yeah, Well.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Every day, ninety million every year, let's.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Go Yeah, good night for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well you're going to go when the game is on.
Is when you're going to go. I'll tell you that
you're going to go there when the derby is on, baby, Yeah,
you're going to be right there with your old boy Nymphsy.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
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We're going to discuss that at yours right here on FSR.
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Congratulations are in order for Christian McCaffrey Olivia Colpo. They
had their baby, so congratulations new parents, right before training
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camp starts. I don't know how that's going to impact
his performance heading into the.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Season, But.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
According to those close to him, Kyle Uscheck says, McCaffrey
looks looks incredible, explosive.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, I think it was the word he used in
there as well. So he's hoping to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
And you know, at one point he was thought to
be the best running back in football, most all around
running back in football, and it just seems like maybe
those days are gone.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
You Check called him the best player in football, which
I believe he won what Offensive Player of the Year
two years ago?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I mean you could have easily made the case for
him for MVP. So I mean, let me ask you this.
I mean, we've been there, we all we all have
a child. I feel like it sharpens you. I don't
feel like it becomes a distraction. If anything, it like
kind of helps you kind of dial and focus a
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bit more prioritize those things. I mean, if anything was
being a distraction, I don't know if it's it's a
new child, you know, I think there's other things that
could be very distracting.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
It does help you kind of trim the fat because
you realize, well, all those other things you.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Can't give you some research maybe on some of those
distractions that could be.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
All I know is I'll say I fell into the
same category when I played, and I was never the same.
I met, I met my copo and married my copo
and started making.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
Babies, and my legs were never the same.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And his legs he came into this already, his legs
was a little shaky. Mine was good, and mine still
got away from me. So I don't know. Maybe sometimes
it goes well for you, sometimes it doesn't. But you know,
those distractions, I mean, they're not distractions that's now your
priority now you know everything else.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
I wonder if they're you know, I wonder if the
you know, I don't want to get into all of this.
I'm very effort relationship. The press is better, I mean,
I hope so
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Quite the first hour. Quite the first hour under our belt,
looking back on the home run derby and well the
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other chaos that is currently going on. By the way,
the good news is the debate about the college football
playoff format is still raging on.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
So that's the good news.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
SEC media days are going on, so everybody's there, every
blowhard who's a blowhard from the Southeastern Conference is all
there ready to discuss the college football playoff potential expansion.
You got Greg Sank the SEC commissioners talking about, you know,
how many conference games are playing, and so he took
(01:36):
time yesterday to discuss the differences in opinions on what
the college football playoff format will look like between them
and the Big Ten, and also just this whole playing
eight conference games as opposed to everybody else. Let's take
a listen to the SEC commission.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
We had a different view coming out of Dustin around
the notion of allocations. If you will, then I think
you'll probably hear that again from our coaches. The Big
Ten has a different Dude, that's fine. We have a
twelve team playoff, five conference champions that could stay. If
we can't agree. I think there's this notion that there
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has to be some magic moment and something has to
happen with expansion and it has to be for It
is absolutely, fully, one hundred percent correct that in the
SEC we play eight conference games while some others play
nine conference games. Never been a secret. It's also correct
that last season all sixteen members of the Southeastern Conference
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played at least nine games against what you would label
power opponents. We had several that played ten of their
twelve games against power opponents. Some conferences have that, some don't.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
I don't believe.
Speaker 5 (02:55):
There's anyone looking to swap their conference schedule and its
opponents with the opponents played by Southeastern Conference teams in
our conference schedule, be it eight or nine.
Speaker 7 (03:10):
Oh my god, I love going emotional sensitive out here.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Lovell's he's stating what I think some people might agree with.
I think if you're comparing the SEC to the ACC
and the Big twelve, and no disrespect to those conferences,
but I think most would agree. I think the tough
thing for me with buying into this notion that Greg
Sankee's making is the Big ten whoop y'all last year?
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I mean, you're the team that was carrying the flag
for you last year was really Texas. That was their
first year in the conference. So if you want to
go that route, you can go that route, and you
can make those comments in regards about your eight conference
games versus other conferences having to play nine. But there's
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a lot of parenting in these other conferences too. I mean,
ask for some ask someone like Lincoln Riley who left Oklahoma.
Some would say because who didn't want to have to
play in the SEC because he thought it'd be a
a harder route to go, maybe left to go to
a team that's plays in the Pac twelve that's no
longer there, and now is you know, complaining about their
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Big Ten schedule and those nine conference teams that having
to play an additional tough nine conference like Notre Dame.
So there's going to be coaches that could make that
same claim about the Big Ten schedule. The smart thing
that the SEC has done is, you know, they've been
able to kind of plant this flag and basically state like, look,
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we feel like our conference is the best based on
how the regular season went last year. I think going
into the playoff, you would have thought that like they
were the strongest conference. It felt like at least at
the top. Unfortunately didn't work out from once again in
the playoff, Tennessee blown away by a house state I
was at. That game wasn't even close. Wasn't even close Georgia.
(05:06):
I mean, look, it was unfortunate that you know, Carson
Beck was hurt. You had to go in with a
freshman backup to play that game versus Notre Dame. But
that game wasn't even didn't even seem as close at
times as a score predicted so we can we can
go through each one of the games the playoffs when
all those teams got the score offers one another. I
mean Texas almost lost Arizona State. Yes that was a
(05:27):
double overtime game, but that game could have gone a
lot different too. So they were holding on for dear
life when it came down to it, just to be
a part of the four teams that were in the
semi final. So I look at it and say, like,
I understand this is the point he wants to make.
I would push back a bit too, about some of
the top teams in the Big Ten and they do
(05:48):
play nine conference games, and the other thing I'd say
about those twelve you know, three other you know games
are going to play on their schedule as he's talking about, Well,
we play eight plus you know one power whatever opponent.
Yet you also play layups in November too. You also
play double direction like Northwest Southeastern whatever school as well.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Well.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
Look, I mean, I'm I'm not going to destroy as
a program, but I'm saying there are some there are
far worse teams they play. They'll play FCS teams. Yeah,
So I sit here and look at it and go
hold on for a second, This is a diversion tactic.
You're trying to get everyone to look at how tough
your conference is. For eight games. It's so tough, we
don't need to play nine it's so tough. Well, yeah,
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you don't really play anyone anyway after the conference games.
So that's that's part of their argument is just trying
to say, hey, don't look over here, don't look at
how weak some of the non conference schedules are, or
and by the way, when we play those non conference games,
don't look at that, or don't look at the fact
that if you go back to the fourteen playoff, how
hard it was for teams that actually had to play
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those nine conference games, and how that impacted their ability
then to get into the fourteen playoff, go back and
look at those stats. Well, that was one of the
easiest pass for the SEC because then only played at
conference tamps, so it was one less game they really
had to worry about within conference. Big Ten had to
deal with that. A lot of other conferences had to
deal with that, not the SEC. And the last thing
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I'll say is there's a thought, and I hope they
expand a sixteen and I hope they do the model
of five conference champions and eleven at large bids. The
reason why the SEC is pushing it is because they
believe they will get more than what they would be allocated.
And you use that word before if they were going
to have automatic qualifiers, because if they have automatic qualifiers,
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they'll each get four and the big twelve in the
ACC they get a couple each two automatically, right, So
they're in, and then you get your group of five,
then you get your at large bids. And the SEC
feels like they will have a better chance of getting
more teams into the playoff with a five conference champion
model and eleven at large bids as opposed to going
the automatic qualifier route five at large bids. When it's
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all said and done, if you expanded to sixteen, So
I look at that and say let's find out, then
let's expand and let's really see what it looks like,
because I think they're going to be surprised in the
end with the way this all pans out. But pushing
for the sixteen sixteen team expansion with five conference champions
and eleven at large bids, it allows them, by playing
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only eight conference games to get some of those teams
in there. I just think it's rich coming off this
past year where you got three loss teams that were
trying to, you know, basically say hey, we should be in,
we should be a part of the conversation, and you
really didn't hear too many other conference is saying that
unless their team was a conference champ, which makes it
a little different.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I feel like there should be a cap on the
Power five conferences the amount of teams. That's what I
feel right Like I think about like high school, like
how the playoffs work. There were teams that could have
had really really good seasons and they missed the playoffs
just based upon how it was structured to get into
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the playoffs out of your you know, if it was
Quad a North, if it was Quad a South, what
so on and so forth, Like the winner of the
conference went to the playoffs. Like if you have one
or two teams, like Okay, the team that wins the conference,
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they get in.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Great.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I think that's how it should be. They should be
automatically in if they win their conference. But I say
cap it off at like one other team, like Okay,
the runner up gets to go in. They qualify to
get into the playoffs. I feel like it makes the
regular season more competitive, and it makes it fair for
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the conferences that aren't going to have the opportunities based
off of who they may play.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
To get in.
Speaker 7 (10:05):
Miami should have been in.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
There are a couple teams that should have been in
the playoffs last year. But if this is all about
how many teams we can get out of the Big
Ten or the SEC into the playoffs, I feel like
there's something to me in that structure based alone, There's
something that's wrong with that because even as good as
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those conferences are, why would I as a player go
to a conference and play for a team in the
SEC or the Big Ten.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
The reason is is because I want.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
To have the opportunity to play for national championship. You know,
outside obviously the educational component of it. You want to
go to a school in most cases where you have
the opportunity to compete for championship. Every team pretty much,
pretty much not every team, but pretty much the teams
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that are usually the teams that are going to make
it far are the teams that generally make it far.
So to me, if we're talking about making your money,
make your money during your season, make the money during
your season, and understand that whoever makes it to the
Big Ten championship, those are the teams that are going
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to represent your conference in the playoffs. SEC ACC, those
are the teams that are going to represent your team
in the conference. And then leave the rest of those
games outside of the traditional Power five conferences. Leave the
rest of those teams for the institutions that actually have
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a fair opportunity of competing in the playoffs. I do
not want to see all like four or five six
teams out of a conference go to the playoff and compete.
That's just like me watching the Big Ten. It's just
like me watching the SEC during the season.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, but if they're the best teams in the country.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
White doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The playoffs are the playoffs.
It's the playoffs. If you're in that conference and you're
one of the best teams, then you have to show
you're one of the best teams and qualify to compete
for the conference title, then go to the playoffs. Just
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to me, that's how I feel like it would make
sense for the simple fact that if you're not, if
you're just gonna take a whole bunch of teams from
the major the major conferences, then why have the other
conferences out there? Oh, your conference isn't good enough, We're
always going to take two or three more teams from
these two conferences. To me, Okay, if that's what you're
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gonna do, then just have an SEC versus the Big Ten,
you know situation I'm in.
Speaker 7 (13:03):
Okay, Well, well.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
I think it feels like we're slowly kind of moving
towards that a little bit with how this has been
discussed and the Big Ten and the SEC being the
two biggest movers in all this. But again, just so
people understand the contrast between what both conferences are pushing for,
the SEC saying the five dis similar to last year,
with a twelve team playoff, the five highest rank conference
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champs get automatic bids into the playoff and obviously preferential seating,
and then they'll be eleven at large bids based on
how the College twelve Playoff Committee ranks those teams. The
other is a sixteen team expanded playoff where you have
four from the Big Ten and those would be seated
ranked obviously based on their finish, So the Big Ten
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champion runner up, et cetera. The SEC would get there
four SEC champ runner up, et cetera, and then you'd
have the big twelve acc and you'd have probably those
two teams that played for their conference championship ultimately make
it in. At least that's my assumption. But what what
I go back to is if you look at that
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format that takes you to what twelve teams, so you
get you're gonna get one of the spot for the
highest ranked group of five champ okay, and then you've
got a couple at large bits when it's all said
and done left over. So the hard thing about that
is it doesn't feel like there's quite as much room
to allow some of those teams that you mentioned Miami
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that you know were maybe that bubble team that could
have should have gotten in. Someone mentioned me the other
day about BYU last year. With that, you know, they
were nine and oh one point the season. You know
they were a team that you probably could have made
a case for too based on their strength of schedule.
So I understand where you're coming from with all this.
I think what's that play here and what's being discussed
is about money, and no one ever wants to say
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it or reveal it. But that's what it's about. You know,
each one of these teams that enters into the playoff
is a certain amount of money that that conference gets,
and so the Big Ten's view probably if they're pushing
an agenda for you know, four, I'm out of qualifiers
and to it at least gives each conference, Hey, this
is the minimum of what you're gonna make from this. Now,
depending on how the teams perform, depending on if you
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get any other at large bid, you know, that could
could play a role too, but we at least know
every single year structurally how much money you can minimum
at a minimum, you know, plan on, whereas the five
conference champs eleven at largest like that could fluctuate mightily,
and that's probably why there's some concern for maybe the
(15:34):
ACEC or the Big twelve where they only get one
team in, they might get you know, locked out altogether,
or maybe even from the Big Ten and saying just like, hey,
we don't want a year where there's this perception that
the SEC is better, even though the reality is when
you start actually playing, that's not the truth. But that's
not the reality of how strong each conference is. So look,
(15:59):
I'm not smart enough to the right answer for it.
I just personally like seeing you know, there'd be the
conference champions rewarded. If those games are still meaningful, then
make them meaningful, make them mean something where they get
automatically into the playoff with preferential seating, and then have
your you know, eleven at large bits. I think that's
the fairest way to playoff for it, and we see
(16:20):
who's the best of the best. I just I do
hope that somehow the College Football Playoff Committee can eliminate
the bias they've had towards the SEC, because we saw
how that played out last year in the playoff, and
the SEC got absolutely drummed in a lot of those
circumstances and they were not as strong as what everyone
portrayed them to be. It's like, all right, this, these
(16:43):
are the teams you threw in there, and yet you're
still lobbying for old mess and lobbying for Alabama teams
that lost, you know, have them the three games last year.
It's like, really forgetting that's that's what you want to see.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
South Carolina too, was found on the tab.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I just somebody come up with a conclusion, somebody come
up with an answer and then let's just go from there.
But it's just it's the back and forth between commissioners
defending their conference and.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They should I should defend it, but you know, they
should defend it.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
I mean, but why not?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Why not if it's all about the guarantee of the
amount of money, why not have it play out where
both both conferences have a showdown, you know, like, okay,
you have your qualifiers, you know, your elite teams in
the Big Ten, and you have your elite teams and
the SEC and and have them battle it out to
(17:41):
get into the playoffs, the playoff, so they the Big
Ten has actually thrown that out there that.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
There would be a seeding too, So the Big Ten
championshipould look a little different like they would obviously the
top two teams would play off for the championship, but
then you maybe even have you know, three through six
would play, and the winners of those games to play
for the final two spots. Now, the only thing I'll
say about that format is, well, then outside of playing
(18:06):
for the conference championship, which is kind of meaningless, I
guess maybe it's not to some, but it feels a
little bit right because because the losers automatically in So
that's the only problem with that format where I'm like, yeah,
it sounds fun and enticing, but there's also not as
much on the line, because ultimately, you'd rather have a
national championship over a conference championship, would you not?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
Yeah, but look at it this way.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
We had a national champion that wasn't even a conference champion.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Correct, and I could go high State would rather have
a national champion? I think they would.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
They I think they would too.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
I think they'd rather beat Michigan at this point.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I think they will. I think I would rather have
a national title. We've had this debate before, but I
would rather have a national title.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
So at the end of the day, how much if
I can say, all right.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
We won the Big Ten, like you think Oregon is
happy with we won Big Ten, but yet couldn't win
against the team that they won the Big Ten against.
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
To me, I feel like, whatever it is that you're
gonna do, they're still with all the amount of schools
that exists around the country. If you're trying to make
it in the in the essence of true competition, I
(19:26):
would be working to try to get as many teams
into the tournament. That are are teams that you would
be like a BYU. I know people are like, well,
when you had Penn State versus Boise State, that's not
or Boise that's not as as you know, entertaining, that's
(19:47):
not gonna move. I'm talking pure competition. I want to
see the best teams out there competing in the playoff.
Like if you had a good and you're not in
the playoff because your conference isn't as strong.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
As the SEC or the Big Ten, to me, that's
a miss. That's a miss in.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
The true essence of what competition is supposed to be,
and parody and going to a school and doing all
of the same workouts that these Big ten and SEC
schools are doing in the summer, all of these practices
that they're doing during the course of the year, and
yet they don't have the same opportunity. If you're getting recruited,
(20:33):
why would you go to a school where you stand
the chance of doing everything as close to perfect as
you possibly can and still don't get an opportunity to
compete in the tournament. I think it really really handicaps
these other schools having the opportunity outside of being able
(20:56):
to financially compete in terms of what you're going to
give a five star or a four star or transfer portal guy.
Outside of the money that you can offer, what is
your incentive to go to a school that isn't in
the big ten at the top for one or in
the SEC. I just think that that's to me. I
(21:17):
think the people that really kind of suffer here are
those athletes that want to go to a school that
may not be the traditional Alabama or or you know,
Tennessee or whatever it may be, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan.
Speaker 7 (21:33):
If you want to go.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
To Rutgers, go to Rutgers.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
If you want to go to Miami, go to Miami.
I just don't feel like, you know, I just don't
feel like all these teams are being considered. There's only
a couple conferences that are being considered. And I feel
like that's hard. That's a hard one for me.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, well it is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Nothing's harder than uh and what we got on.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
On WHOA Oh buddy, I don't know where.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
You By the way, why does league get so defensive?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Where is Lee Lorenda? Where is he I don't know,
did he just walk? This is why he went to
the bathroom.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
This is why Lee doesn't want to be on camera,
is because then he would have to be held accountable.
But meanwhile, I was waiting in the zoom room and
he's like, oh, when was this? I found him. I
even believe he couldn't wait for the break to take
a dumpling.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I was adding some other stuff for later in the show.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Oh man, acting like he'd be working.
Speaker 6 (22:49):
Hard, working, hard boy.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
That that is funny. Look you do look stretched out
right now.
Speaker 6 (22:55):
I'm actually pretty okay right now. But if you guys
want the zoom meeting has been sent back out.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
Never you guys want to join us? Never win you
ready for you?
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Thanks Lee, You're very welcome.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
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We'll get into that for you again a little over
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(24:22):
here and at the Home Depot, it is about time
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Ask about all we can do for you at the
pro desk the Home Depot. Pro It's about time. Congratulations
to the New York Jets. They found somebody who wants
to stay there long term. That's somebody is Garrett Wilson,
(24:44):
who agreed to reportedly a four year, one hundred and
thirty million dollar contract, ninety million of it guaranteed, so
puts them in the top five of wide receivers paid
in the NFL. Reportedly didn't get along well with Aaron
Rodgers last year. That was a little bit of an
issue for them, and he decided, listen, you know, I
don't know if I want to be here long term.
(25:05):
The Jets figure out a way to get the deal done.
Garrett Wilson locked up for the immediate future, and now
he gets to play with his good buddy Justin Fields
now who takes over the helmet QB for the for
the Jets there. So good job, Sauce Gardner. I'm assuming
would be up next if they're going to get a
deal done in an extension there.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
So they got some business to do this offseason. But
that deal is one that puts him up in a
category where I think he's that caliber of player. But
he's had a litany of quarterbacks he's played with, and
you would have thought the Rogers situation would have played
out better for him, but the injury in year one,
which then led to, you know, the offseason that brought
(25:43):
in Devonte Adams, who's Rogers you know, best friend or
number one target, which then impacts Wilson a little bit
last year, even though he still had a big year.
It's just it's been an odd it's been an odd
career so far for Garrett Wilson. But maybe that's when
you're in New York Jet and you're there that long,
that's usually works out.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
They're going to get you at some point.
Speaker 6 (26:03):
Yeah, at some point. What is Lee doing right now? Lee?
You are all over the place? Dude? Well, I know,
well I am using my phone.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Now where would y'all rank Garrett Wilson? Like, it's a
it seems like a big deal. Ninety ninety million guaranteed?
Speaker 7 (26:22):
What is that?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean, if you're if you're breaking it down, what
will we assume assess that to be by year? Because
isn't Jefferson and those guys in the forty range?
Speaker 7 (26:31):
What does that breakdown to?
Speaker 6 (26:33):
Well, he got one hundred and thirty million total, so
you're looking at over thirty million per year, right, which
puts them up with that category but the ninety million
gives them three years of guarantees. And I mean that's
honestly pretty damn good for a player that's you know,
looked at as a non quarterback to get three years
of guarantees in it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't see him as a top five, top seven
elite receiver in the league. I mean I would, I
would give that to a couple other guys. I mean
obviously Chase Jefferson Brown, the two Browns, A J. Brown,
Iman Ross, Saint Brown, Tyreek Hill, C. D. Lamb, Like
(27:13):
these are the guys, uh, you know you have an
aging Mike Evans. You know, Stefan Diggs is coming off
of an injury, Cooper Cup had a rough year, Deebo
Samuel might be.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
A little overweight.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
But these are still names that I would you caught that,
these are still names I would use and say Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
It puts him, It puts him in between C. D.
Lamb and or DK Metcalf and AJ Brown. So he's
right up right above A. J. Brown, right below D. K.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Mecken.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
What does that mean for Terry McLaurin and him trying
to get a long term like how he's getting paid two.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
Let me ask you this, though, Leavar, how much of
that has to do though, with the situation that he's
been in as compared to some of the other you mentioned,
Alma Ross, Saint Brown, Almon Ross, Saint Brown's a hell
of a player. No one's gonna dispute that, but he
all so, I was able to put up a lot
of production because you know, they had Ben Jonson as
their offensive coordinator. He's one of the best offensive minds.
It's wise in Chicago golf can slant. You know, he
(28:08):
was drafted number one overall and he's obviously brought a
lot of success to Detroit. We've we've known that, so
you know, there's been more stability in some of those
situations with some of those players you know you've mentioned
and talked about. I think that's one of the biggest
differences for me is he's the New York Jet, so
that it hasn't it's been anything but that. Really when
you think about the list of quarterbacks he's played with,
(28:29):
but also maybe even through coaches and offensive systems and
all that too.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, the set reality of that is is that
that's what many players are are defined by their careers
are defined by those uncertainties, those coaching changes that you know,
that's you know, that's how the To me, that's how
the NFL works, and whether it's fortunate for owners and
(28:57):
some some degree because they don't have to necessarily reward
a player who finds themselves in an environment like that. You,
I guess you do reward the players that that play
well in the environments where they do have a coach
that creates a stable environment, a coaching staff that is
able to tap into what makes the player the player.
(29:21):
But to me, I just look at it from from
it's probably difficult to make it apples that apples comparison
when you say, okay, this this coaching staff has created stability,
they've been there that the kids or the players entire
career versus this one who has a whole a defense
coordinator or I mean a coordinator every single year, a
(29:43):
new quarterback every single year. I mean, it's still based
off of paying off of what potential because he's dealing
with those circumstances, or if it's a rookie, you're dealing
with potential. And I just I just feel like, how
do you you how do you reward a player that
if you know they're playing for a trash a trash situation,
(30:06):
it's it's you still have to make the determination that
the value is the value based off I would assume
what their accomplishments and their achievements are, and if that's
what it's based off of, then I think it's hard
to make Garrett Wilson a you know, a top top guy,
even if he could be that top guy if he
(30:28):
were playing for you know, Sean Sinnatty or yeah right, yeah,
you know that depending on you know, where he ended up,
just the luck of the draw.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
And that's what I thought of us have to deal with.
I get that. I think that's I mean, look, I'll
be honest. I think one of the reasons why a
team like the Jets pam is Jennie. Do you remember
when I figure what Bill Belichick was doing. It was
one of those games where it was Monday Football and
he was he was he, you know, kind of chimed
in with the Mannings on their manning cast, and he
was just like Garrol Wilson, Caro, get Garlson the ball,
(30:59):
get garlils He probably said Gara Wilson's name ten times.
I mean he is. I don't know if there's a
bigger fan of Garret Wilson his ability than Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
I mean, Gara Wilson had the best season of his
career last year and didn't like the quarterback and then
ended up getting paid and now he gets justin fields
in there, and I just it's the first year he
was eligible to get paid. So maybe till LaVar's point,
you probably could have waited a little bit, but he didn't.
You know, It's not like he reset the market. So
in two years from now, who the hell knows what
(31:30):
the highest paid wide receiver is going to be. I
just wonder if part of this was the Jets just
letting everybody know, like this is like the first sign
of all right, we've got everything figured out. We've got
guys that we trust here, We've got guys in the
building that we like. We want to keep him around
long term, sauce Gard and it will be next. What's
interesting about it is those are Joe Douglas picks, and
(31:51):
they couldn't wait to fire him, So like these were
Joe Douglas guys that he drafted, And if I'm not mistaken,
I think wasn't Garrett Wilson Offensive Rookie of the Year
and Sauce Gardner Defensive Rookie of the Year in the
same season. And you know that that GM got shown
the showing, the shown the door last year, so good
(32:13):
for them.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
LaVar, what would you what would you call that the
Jets organization dysfunctional? Why, that's what I hear you said.
Usually you do that the whole dysfunction, this dysfunction.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Disfunction, malfunction within the organization. It's called dysfunction. And talent
cannot outperform dysfunction.
Speaker 7 (32:40):
It cannot.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
And that's sad because talent can perform, it just won't outperform.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I mean, do you think Gary Wilson's gonna give Aaron
Rodgers a shout out and be like, hey, thanks for
getting me paid, man, Like, thanks for thanks for having
me put together a career year. Uh, you know, only
to see you get alienated by the organization. They give
him a shout out, give him a little bonus, you know,
throw him a few bucks, or is he just gonna
(33:07):
disrespect Rogers and just say, now, listen, you know I
could have done it with anybody.
Speaker 7 (33:11):
Okay, ninety million guaranteed. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I don't really care. I'm just happy about my ninety
million guaranteed. So sure, I don't have no problem with Rogers.
I got ninety million reasons to be Okay.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
LeVar, for ninety million guaranteed, would you watch for the
rest of your life every single home run Derby and
they're all starting, Ah.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
For the rest of my life ninety million? How many
hours every day have to watch a home run day?
Speaker 6 (33:42):
It's every hours of hours. It's three hours a year.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I mean I do radio with y'all three hours every day.
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Yeah, different, ninety million different. Yeah, yeah, this is the
home run Derby three three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I'm I feel like at some point, I mean, I'd
be happy to watch the home run Derby if.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
You need to be.
Speaker 6 (34:05):
You need to be enthusiastic about it. I mean, I'm saying,
like standing up, breaking it down, like all excited about it.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Every day for the rest of my life. Not every day,
I would say, once a year for three hours. Well
once a year, Yeah, you got to be for the
rest of your life.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
I'm saying, for like when you're ninety five, you still
got to be watching that thing and like standing up
with your your walker or whatever and they're all chanted cheering.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I could pull that one off, Okay, I could do
I could do fake enthusiasm. Really really, I.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
Think one of those years you might slip up and
miss it. You might be like I shoot forgot forgot's
I have a ninety.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Million I got that thing on on on alarm, Like,
I'm gonna have alarms leading up to the event itself,
Like if I missed it, it decute me from the
ninety million.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I'd have alarms, Like, you are nine.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Days away the event, and the event starts at this time.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Would you be sober during these home run derbies? Uh?
Speaker 6 (35:09):
Maybe half years? You have to be. That's part of this.
You have to be dead sober.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Oh well, I mean, because here's the thing, ninety million
dollars to watch the home run derby every year. I'm
I'm doing a pre day you know, pre day uh tailgate.
I'm gonna do a day of the game or day
of the derby tailgate.
Speaker 7 (35:30):
We're gonna get into it.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Like so if I'm not allowed to drink, I'll get
me a nice mocktail, eat me some some links off
of the grill. We're gonna we're gonna be getting it
in watch it on big, really make it a spectacle.
You know, rent out of place maybe in Vegas, be
ninety five with my walker and and at like one
of the you know that that pool that that that
(35:51):
has the big TVs and stuff like that, like the big, big,
big giant stadium TV.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
I rent that joint out every year.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Like let's go Levar's party there is over there, ninety
five years old, still going strong.
Speaker 7 (36:03):
Bam.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Yes, circa is the circa?
Speaker 6 (36:05):
Yeah there, it.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Is pretty sweet. Was this stadium swim? I think it's
called Let's yeah, Let's go Yeah, Well.
Speaker 7 (36:13):
Every day, ninety million every year, let's.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Go Yeah, good night for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Well you're going to go when the game is on.
Is when you're going to go. I'll tell you that
you're going to go there when the derby is on, baby, Yeah,
you're going to be right there with your old boy Nymphsy.
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Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas
Knox with you coming up next here though, somebody's looking
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We're going to discuss that at yours right here on FSR.
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Congratulations are in order for Christian McCaffrey Olivia Colpo. They
had their baby, so congratulations new parents, right before training
(37:59):
camp starts. I don't know how that's going to impact
his performance heading into the.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Season, But.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
According to those close to him, Kyle Uscheck says, McCaffrey
looks looks incredible, explosive.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, I think it was the word he used in
there as well. So he's hoping to bounce back.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
And you know, at one point he was thought to
be the best running back in football, most all around
running back in football, and it just seems like maybe
those days are gone.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
You Check called him the best player in football, which
I believe he won what Offensive Player of the Year
two years ago?
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 6 (38:38):
I mean you could have easily made the case for
him for MVP. So I mean, let me ask you this.
I mean, we've been there, we all we all have
a child. I feel like it sharpens you. I don't
feel like it becomes a distraction. If anything, it like
kind of helps you kind of dial and focus a
(38:58):
bit more prioritize those things. I mean, if anything was
being a distraction, I don't know if it's it's a
new child, you know, I think there's other things that
could be very distracting.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
It does help you kind of trim the fat because
you realize, well, all those other things you.
Speaker 6 (39:14):
Can't give you some research maybe on some of those
distractions that could be.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
All I know is I'll say I fell into the
same category when I played, and I was never the same.
I met, I met my copo and married my copo
and started making.
Speaker 7 (39:35):
Babies, and my legs were never the same.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
And his legs he came into this already, his legs
was a little shaky. Mine was good, and mine still
got away from me. So I don't know. Maybe sometimes
it goes well for you, sometimes it doesn't. But you know,
those distractions, I mean, they're not distractions that's now your
priority now you know everything else.
Speaker 6 (39:56):
I wonder if they're you know, I wonder if the
you know, I don't want to get into all of this.
I'm very effort relationship. The press is better, I mean,
I hope so
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