August 5, 2025 • 40 mins
While the Colts are on the fence about Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, the Jaguars list Travis Hunter as a WR 1 and CB2. The Super Bowl odds continue to shift and now favor the Bills. Plus, massage championships and much more!
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running hour two of the program here and it is
Depth Chart season in the NFL. Was that a big deal,
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like a big reveal for you guys like the program
back in the day when the Depth Chart would come
out and everybody get all fired up, or is this
sort of you kind of already figured it out with
the reps that you get in the teams and units
that you're working with in training, camp and practice. It's
more kind of just from you big reveal to the media,
not not so much the guys that are out there.
(01:25):
It depends I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I felt like my most exciting moments was when I
didn't know if I was going to be a starter
or not, not the years that I knew I was
a starter, Like when I got to college, Like what
was that like to even possibly get on the field,
no matter what capacity. So if it was special teams,
it was like, dang, like look at all the people.
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There's like there's realities, like real realities that you have
when you play the game. And if you're fortunate enough
to make it to the next level from playing high school,
unless you played in Texas somewhere and you play at
one of those big schools. To come out of a
locker room and to have the opportunity to go on
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the field with all of those people there, that's just
it's it's a it's a life changing experience. So those
those practices leading up to the first time, hell, I
can remember the first practices leading up to me getting
my first start, in my first start in college was
against Ohio State, and it's interesting coming into the season,
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I didn't know if I would be able to get
the job. When the job off of Aaron Gatton, who
was ahead of me, and the first three games of
the year we played who was it?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
We played.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Like Southern Miss or now I wasn't Southern Miss. I
don't remember the games before. I just remember the Pittsburgh
game was the third game and how that went for me,
and then getting getting put on the first team that
following week leading up to going into Big Ten was.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Pretty pretty special.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So I feel like when you don't start and you're
you're not knowing you're going to start, and you're trying
to fight for it, I feel like that's way more
intense and way more of an interesting moment in your
time than when you know you're the starter.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Southern Miss, bowling Green at pit yeah, where you go
there was Southern Miss?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah yeah, okay, there you go and Bowling Green yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I think it goes without saying if there's no intrigue,
it doesn't make it quite as interesting. You know, you're
you're you're working on different things at that point. But
to me, I mean that that's what makes it interesting,
is no matter how the depth chart, especially in preseason.
I mean, it used to be different when we played
because you played four preseason games and so there was
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a bit more time if something were to happen. But
for the most part, the depth chart was the depth
chart in part because of what you're getting paid to. Like,
that's one consideration. When you look at the Browns, for example,
and you look at the financial commitment they've made to
all four of those guys, Flacco is going to be
getting paid the lion's share of where they're allocating, you know,
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their salary cap to the quarterback position. This year, I
think Pickett's making a little over two million on you know,
the deal that he's under, and then you've got a
third round of fifth round pick. So none of those
guys are making a substantial money, at least non comparison
to Flacco, who I believe is making close to eight, nine, ten,
whatever it was. So there's there's a economics to it too.
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At the NFL level that plays a factor, and quite
honestly it's at college now too. You know, when a
kid transfers in and even though we don't have transparency
because we can't see, you know, what these kids are making.
We hear sometimes what they're making, and you know, some
of that's inflated just to make the school look like
they're really shelling out the big bucks. But the reality
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is that kid's probably going to be starting.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You could say there's a quarterback competition, there's this, there's that.
There's a reason why they brought that kid in. They
brought him in because the coach doesn't want to deal
with an unproven, younger guy playing at the college level.
That's just the reality of it, because they don't want
to have to go through the growing pains, especially if
they're a blue blood program that has made the playoff
or is expected to make the playoff. They don't want
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to take a step back and then don't have to
worry about going through the growing pains of figuring out
whether or not a guy can do it. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Look as someone.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Who started as a true freshman, you know, played in
every game, and I remember that first game we're playing
Washington State as a top twenty five team my freshman year,
I wasn't even fully aware that I had, you know,
won the backup job until a day or two before
the game. You know, it wasn't overly evident or clear
to me. I didn't think that i'd played that well
enough in training camp my freshman year to be the guy.
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But you know, beat out one guy he ended up transferring,
had another guy there who was a you know, upperclassman
who had played, and and you know they end up,
you know, putting me as the backup. And so I thought, okay,
like that's obviously an indication of how they feel about me.
But now it just comes down to what I can
do once I get on the field. So yeah, I mean,
it goes without saying if there's if you're the start,
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I mean, you don't care about a depth start at
that point, you know, But it really does come down
to to me. The money to all of it, Like,
especially in professional sports, they're gonna give the guy who
they've invested the most, paid the most into that first crack,
that first shot at it, and then after that you're
kind of wait and see.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, in Indianapolis, we've got co QB one's Anthony Richardson
and Daniel Jones both listed as QB one. So you
got to pick your guy. You got to pick your fighter.
Who you going with? Daniel Jones is your starter to
kick off the year or Anthony Richardson. If it is
about the money invested, there's a high draft pick investment there,
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I'll roll with Daniel Jones. You guys gonna have fun
with Anthony Richardson if you'd like, I'll take Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's a really tough situation to be in if you're
Chris Ballard and Shane Stichen for this reason, this is
the guy you drafted like, this is the guy you
took in the first round. He's going into year three
and you know they still after they after this year,
have to make a decision on his fifth year option.
So as it currently stands, you know, there he's guaranteed
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to make thirty three almost basically thirty four million dollars
in this four year deal. So when you look at
the investment, they've invested that fourth overall pick and a
lot of money into him. However, you know, has that
come to an end because of the lack of I
don't know if you want to call it maturity, the
lack of performance consistency, you know, lack of peanup is
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just be durable enough to stay on the field, all
those things that become an issue. What's interesting the most
to me though, is the ownership change with Jim Orse
passing away, and even though it stays within the Face family,
he's not the one they're calling shots now. You know,
his daughter's taken over, and that group's going to have
to make a decision on a GM who they have
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not had any success winning the division since he got there,
and a head coach who I think is a bright
offensive mind but has been hamstrung by you know, the
quarterback situation. So this is one of the more complicated
QB decisions. And I think if you're Shansichin like your
big concern is how do you keep the entire team
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cohesive and not allowed the locker room to get divided
if there's any divide whatsoever. I mean, it felt like
being there at the end of last year, there wasn't
so much division because of what Anthony Richardson did earlier
in the year. Like guys like Anthony Richardson, but there's
a lot of older guys who are on that team
who played and they're saying themselves, man, you can't tap
out of a play, you know, like you just you
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can't do that, and I think there was a learning
curve there for Anthony Richardson. I think he's learned from that.
But that's what prompted bringing we got like Daniel Jones
in because they still see upside the SeeAbility, you know,
Shane Steckin sees his attributes able to fit into this
offense in a really, really big way. So I'm gonna
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lead towards Anthony Richardson getting the first shot, but I
think there's a chance that that rugg gets ripped from
out underneath him very fast.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean, we don't really know what Anthony Richardson
is going to be as a pro player just yet.
I think we know we have a strong idea of
what we think it could be and what maybe it
is with Daniel Jones. So if I'm the Colts, I
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definitely want to see unless unless Anthony Richardson has done
something in training camp and leading up to training camp
and in the OTAs in the mini camp that would
say his play is in such question to the to
the coaching staff that we're going to go with Daniel Jones.
(10:09):
I just don't think you make the decision to go
with Jones knowing what you saw him come from. You know,
I listen, he's a pretty decent quarterback. He's had pretty
decent moments as a quarterback. But I don't think anyone
would would say that, Wow, I feel like I've changed
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the the trajectory of my team by adding Daniel Jones
as our starting quarterback or as our quarterback. So I
don't know that he moves the needle. I would say,
I lean on the side he doesn't really move the needle.
But does Anthony Richardson move the needle? He hasn't proven
that he he he doesn't. He just hasn't proven that
he has. So I feel like starting out, you drafted him.
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He's your guy. Let him play himself out of the position,
you know, because it's not like with Daniel Jones. You're
using a guy that you know, you feel, you know,
overly confident coming into it that he's going to change
your team that much differently than what Anthony Richardson is
going to do being there already.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well in the same division, the AFC South. We've got
other depth chart news, this time with the Jacksonville Jaguars,
where Travis Hunter listed as a wide receiver one and
a cornerback two for the Jacksonville Jaguars. His head coach
Liam Cohene talked about his rookie with The Rich Eisen
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Show yesterday.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He has taken massive strides, specifically at the receiver position
of truly playing it right, how to run each route,
how to attack leverage. His ball skills and body control
are extremely natural, so you can't really coach that what
he's been able to learn and getting aligned assignments, fundamentals, techniques,
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and then when you go into a scrimmage and he
gets one on one on a choice route and he's
got a linebacker on him and he.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Can make you miss.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Ultimately, for him, it's really going to come down to,
like offensively and defensively, we've done more offense because that
was where more the development was necessary, right, so much
more naturally to just go walk out in the field
and play corner like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
What he's done.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
He can go do that very similarly. Now there's a
lot of checks, there's a lot of calls, there's a
lot of different things that go to that. But offensively,
we felt like there was a little bit more development
that was necessary, and it's a lot more ball, right,
just a lot more scheme and words and call.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So that was Liam Cohen talking about Travis Hunter's development.
By the way, he also said that he believes that
it's there's a chance that he could win Offensive and
Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think we're getting a
little ahead of ourselves. But nonetheless that's the opinion that Travis.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Let me throw that back at you guys. Let me
throw it back at you guys, because there was an argument,
to me made that his ability to play as many
snaps as he did in college helped him get the highs.
I'm not saying that that's why he wanted I know
there's some people who feel that way.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But do you think that will play a factor too
at the NFL level? Because it was so rare at
the college level, people looked at that and said, no,
this is significant. Now you're jumping up to the highest level.
And if he's able to do it at that level,
wouldn't you say he'd kind of get the benefit of
the doubt, where if statistically he's not as close to
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some guys, there will be that conversation of yeah, but
he is playing both ways.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, I would say he's going to get the benefit
of the doubt. And again, I think the one thing
that people aren't paying attention to that I'm paying attention
to day one, Like day one I'm paying attention to,
is if he pulls this off and he is listed
on the depth chart as a second or first string
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on offense, a second or first string on defense, there
you go. When we get the contract time, what is
that going to look like. I'm sorry, it's just got
to be. It's gotta be talked about. If he establishes
that he is playing a roster position on offense and
a roster position on defense, and let's just say he
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gets Rookie of the Year on both sides of the ball.
Let's just say, moving into the future, he's looked at
as an all Pro offensive player and an all Pro
defensive player.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What do you think they're going to do. So if
the market at that point is forty million for a
wide receiver, forty million for a cornerback, he should get
eighty million. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Know that he gets based upon how many plays he's playing,
based upon the production, but let's just say for the
sake of saying he's elite at both positions.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Talk about bang for your buck, talk about bang free
because I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You gotta do two contracts? I mean, how do you
not you gotta do the contract?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's what I'm That's that's the most curiosity I have
towards the Travis under situation outside of can it work?
Can he be a guy that's on the depth chart
that is truly playing not just spot duty. I'm saying
truly is an option and truly is playing and could
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actually like be a pro bowler and all pro on
both sides of the ball. How do you how do
you handle that financially coming out of your rookie contract?
Because he did I mean going into his rookie contract.
He did the contract as a one way player. But
yet he's gonna play two ways. So you're getting more
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bang for your buck already having him on your your
roster already. So how does that play out? Do you
come back to the table and say, Okay, I've established
that I can be elite on both sides of the ball.
You're gonna pay me for being on both sides of
the ball. What does that look like? I mean, talk to.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The contract experts, talk to the insider bredon Quinn.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Well, I mean, look, he'll get a premium, but he's
still got to do that first. Like this is, you know,
three years down the road conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I just how many more in a game? What's the
difference in the number of plays between college and the NFL? Like,
on offensive do.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You probably play on average in college a higher number.
I'd say each side somewhere seventy plus maybe maybe eighty
depending on the scheme and system. So you're probably playing
about thirty forty more snaps a game. NFL is a
little less somewhere in the sixties, so only just because
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of the running clock, which plays a bit more of
a factor there.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So then if we're looking at you know, he did
it both ways for eleven games. Now it's seventeen. But
if you were to factor in less number of plays
per game, yeah, maybe it is possible.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's it's definitely possible, and he's going to try to
do it. What never gets factored into this is the
intensity of it. It's the highest level of football. There
you go, and so you know you're playing, you're playing,
you know, not necessarily as many snaps, but the snaps
you are playing are significantly a greater toll in your body,
and he's going up against guys who, you know, when
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you're playing in the Big twelve, you know you're not
playing every single play, And honestly, at that level, he
probably wasn't being targeted quite as much. You know, he
probably wasn't seeing a whole lot of throws his way,
with the exception of a few teams, few players who
you know they weren't scared of him, or they thought
he could match up, or they want to test him.
In the NFL, he will be tested right off the
bat every single time he gets in there. And it's
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not he's not going to have his easy releases. You know,
there'll be more guys who want to press and get
up on him and get hands on him before he
gets started running downfield. I mean, if you look at
like what makes him so special, he's incredibly elusive with
his ability to get in and out of cuts and routes,
and that's something that he again will still be a
work in progress. But every team's gonna try to mess
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with a young guy and try to knock him off
his start, will mess up the timing, mess up his depth,
mess up his steps, and that's the easiest way to
get and get inside the head of a rookie wide
receiver is you try to get hands on him early
and get physical with him, and now it becomes about
a fight, and the emotions get involved in everything else
and you can throw technique and fundamentals out the window.
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So he's going to be challenged because you know naturally
he's that hyped up and for a good reason. But
how he handles that over the course of this next
season will give you a better indication of the hypothetical
of like will he be paid as a guy who's
a two way player? And you also have to ask
yourself if here's the organization, you may say, yeah, he's
gonna take U two roster spots, so we love this,
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But then you also have to have the insurance pulse
of two guys who are ready to come in if
he gets hurt. And the another thing you have to
ask yourself is does this takeaway from the longevity of
his career. I mean, LaVar, you've played with some guys
like E Green, he played for a long time and
can play in the secondary, and there's wide receivers who
could play a long time. Now when you're doing both, like,
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is this a deal where you watch him play for
eight years? And then that's kind of it because it
took such a toll on his body and trying to
play that and he snaps both ways. The physicality to
it that he's not able to play as long as
he'd like to play. So instead of being a guy
at thirty who's trying to get to that last big contract,
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it's more of a I'm just trying to get whatever
I can or decide even if I want to play
at this point. Yeah, Like those are all things again
conversations for down the road, but I'm rooting for him.
I hope he can do it. I'd love to see
him building. I think he's talented enough.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If that dude got both Rookies of the Year for
both sides of the ball, that would be some uncharted
territory ever in the history of the game. And then
how do you look at it? I'm just stuck on that.
I'm just stuck. How how do you view this kid
is actually able to pull this off at the league
league level?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
How do you how do you handle it? I'm gonna
be curious. It's going to be exciting to see if
he pulls it off.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But I was telling we were having a conversation on Saturday,
and I was asking TJ and Plex because their receivers,
you know, how does that how does that all play out?
And you know, TJ was like, well, they're they're only
going to play zone. You know, they'll probably play zone
a lot more than they play man when he's on defense,
and da da da this, And I was like, well,
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if I'm looking at it from a perspective of getting
a competitive edge, if I see that they're playing Travis
Hunter both ways on on on defense, like as if
I'm calling plays on offense and he's on defense. If
he's in a zone, If he's in a zone, look
I'm I'm running quicks right at him. If if he's
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in a man, look I'm running him off. No matter what,
no matter what, no matter where to play is going,
I'm going after him every single play to make him work.
If he's going both ways, and that's going to give
me a competitive edge. If you're going to leave him
in there, you're either going to pull him out because
we're going to run him and you got to deal
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with him doing that on both sides of the ball,
or you're going to leave him in there. And if
you leave him in there, then at some point during
the game, I believe we get a competitive advantage. So
to me, I don't. I just feel like it's it
sounds good, it makes sense that he's talented enough to
do it, but in reality, these guys make so much money,
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they're such great, brilliant minds. For whatever it's worth, at
the play calling positions, I just don't see how physically
and mentally he would be able to stand up and
be a two way player of full time two way
player at the league level.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Now said as much, I don't think they Jacksonville's doing
themselves a disservice though, if they're going to sacrifice their
coverages or what they're doing just because he's in the game, right, Like,
you can't do that. I mean to me, what made
what was most interesting is there's only one ball on
offense and only one guy can get it. So even
though he's, you know, first string on the wide receiver
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depth chart, are you going to put him in there
where he's not maybe always the first read? I mean,
you do have Brian Thomas on there, who is your
number one wide receiver as of now, you know you
took Travis Hunter, because you need to be able to
have two guys that your quarterback can rely on throw to.
Like you play in the AFC, You've got to get
through the Chiefs, the Bills, the Bengals, like all these
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teams who have studs can score that the you know,
Baltimore Ravens and Lamar and everything else they do. So
you have to be able to get through all those
teams that can score a high rep a high pace.
So I think the toughest thing for Liam Cohen is
how did they prioritize those reps and how they're using him.
Like on defense, you're on defense, you're playing that whatever
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the scheme calls for. Kind of in that moment if
you get a DC, you're saying, wow, we can't play
man because you know Travis is in there. It's like,
well you probably shouldn't be in there then. I mean
on offense, like I'm just curious to see, like are
they going to use him as a decoy at times
or is it like is a lot of the offense
gonna be built around when he's in there? Trying to
get him the ball? Because If it is, then it's
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a sheer tell of what they're doing when he is
in there. So you know, look, Liam Cohen's creative offensive mind.
That's why he got the head coaching job in Jacksonville.
So that's for him to figure out. But those are
a lot of the things that like you look for
when you know you play in the NFL and you
play against a roster that maybe has six wide receivers
on the active roster, you pay attention to is in
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the game. I mean you look out there and go,
all right, tryon Erowin's in. Maybe it's a run or
maybe it's something, but they're probably not going to go
downfield to a shot for him, right, Like you look
at the personnel as part of the clues and hints
of how you're gonna try to stop a team, you know, defensively,
and that would be one where I'm more curious what
he isn't of offense, how he's utilized and if he's
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gonna be in there on a bunch of run plays
or you know, is this something where like he's going
to be a number one wide receiver and if there's
an issue for depth somewhere, then they use him as
that backup cornerback as well.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's gonna be really fun to watch though. Either way.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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with you. Coming up next though, we have a shift
if you will, a shift in the Super Bowl odds
in the NFL kind of surprising. We'll get into that
for you here on FSR.
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we've got ourselves a little bit of a shift, if
you will. In the NFL. The Buffalo Bills are now
the co favorites to win the Super Bowl according to
our friends at DraftKings. In some places they are the
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clear favorite to be the to win the Super Bowl.
Some people have them sitting alone at the top, but
they are on DraftKings. Our friends over at DK have
them in the Baltimore Ravens at six to one to
win the Super Bowl. You're defending champs. The Eagles are
sitting at third at seven to one, and then you've
got the chief sitting at plus eight point fifty, so
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a little over eight to one for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Give give me the Eagles and Chiefs. I'll take those
odds right now.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
I wish I wish that there was Winds.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, what happened to that? Is that getting done or not?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Well, here's what happened. There is something that came in
between Lee and getting it done, and that most likely
was a twelve ounce beer or they're well beveraged.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So good luck and good luck getting it done today.
It's taco Tuesday, so good luck getting it done today.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
And then you get this delivery Wednesday. There's Thursday Thursday,
so we're looking at I don't know, maybe not Sunday.
You can see the problem how this never gets done.
Definitely not a Saturday.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Makeshift sounders are really good though, wins Winds.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
That's you, Lorraina. That's not Lee. That was good, but
I'm saying, you can't give him credit. He did nothing.
That's just you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's very true, all.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Right, So thanks Lee, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Here's why I would say that the Bills not the
wisest bet this upcoming year because they're dealing with a
trend that is undefeated, and that trend is they're on
hard knocks, and when you're on hard knocks, you don't
really do all that well. That is the history of
(28:21):
the show. We've got over a decade of evidence to
prove that. So with that being said, the Buffalo Bills
will not be winning a Super Bowl next year.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I mean, they've not given you any reason to think
that they're going to win a Super Bowl. They've been
given that, they have earned that opportunity quite a few times.
They've never never sealed the deal. You know. As good
as the team is, I still think that there's something
to team history connected to these types of things. And listen,
(28:55):
Philly became a team that was able to get over
that hump and get that a louse u Sive championship
and now they have two. But I got I gotta
be honest with you, I just don't get that feeling
from Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would have to see Buffalo get there.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And do it before I you know, feel comfortable saying
going into a season, this is a team that should
be considered a super Bowl team. There's just certain teams
like Cleveland. I won't do it for Cleveland. I won't
do it for the Bills. I won't do it for Jacksonville.
I mean that's enough right there. Won't do it for
(29:34):
the Jets. So those are all that can't get rights.
There's there's a few can't get rights out there, and
there's no reason to feel as though, even though as
good as they may be, that they're going to win.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It just doesn't make sense. Not the kind of a
pain in the ass about the Patrick Mahomes era. If
you're one of these other teams in the AFC outside
of Joe Burrow and Tom Brady, nobody's really doing it, Like,
nobody's really getting that done the postseason. Baltimore seemingly had
things in their favor a couple of years ago, favored
(30:07):
at home in the AFC Title Game, and then just
sort of melted down. Say Flowers had the penalty, the turnover,
and you know last year weren't able to get it done.
I would roll if I've got a pick between the
two Buffalo and Baltimore, I'll take Baltimore. If you're gonna
if you're gonna pick between the two co favorites to
win the Super Bowl, I will take Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Knocks Loucks.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, I'm not I'm not entertaining. Are you giving
a pick? Q? Like? Oh, out of the a f C.
They're going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I gave my pick, you said, you said, phillyh Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, I'm not doing quit Swift, I'm not doing it today.
Sticks picks, Thank you, He's out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
To go.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's amazing today, That's amazing. He slappy Lee, You want
to give your pick? What do you got, hey, Lee?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
For a f C? Oh my god? Anything Lee?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Happy hours? Today?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Lee's got a Bombay Sapphire plus eight hundred. Who's your
pick for what a f C?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Oh my god, dude, for anything? Just picked something?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
To name anything?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
The color the NBA Finals, malfunction, Ravens Packers, malfunction.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Ravens Packings, packers, to lapse drinks, Oh God, lead at,
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The snort and the Michael Jackson, the he he and
the snort. Those are the dead giveaways. Well, look, congratulations
to any but any teams that were mentioned here doing
a good bet that I put down. What's that?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Rashawn Johnson over three and a half touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
What I put it?
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Three and a half touchdowns for Shawn Johnson? His over
unders three and a half touchdowns? Ben Johnson's there, David Montgomery.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Some of the running back in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Yeah, on a second running back.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, I'm aware of that. I'm just wondering, but where
did that come from? Why would he be doing prop
bets on Rashawn Johnson? I saw it, and I bet it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Buddy. Let me if you started to asking your questions
about why Lee does anything? Figure down a rabbit hole,
you don't know what's another end?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, he saw it fit to inject that information
into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Just where did that come from? A rabbit hole? Right now?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
To reboot all these computers?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Now you've now you've gone in here for some for
some lease picks. Here here you go, so you're on
a gambling site when you say, when you say reboot
these computers, like it's you just turn it off then
back on, Like let's let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
You're not some tech wizard you're doing something. What are
you doing that's uniquely.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Well, there's a million there's a million sites.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Long.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
What are you I need access? It's stuff for like
posting our editing. Yeah, it's stuff for editing. It's stuff
for posting our podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Which, by the way, say our podcast did post yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Hour two did not post right away.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
All we did was ask you you got one in
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What is going on here? The hell did Rashawn Johnson's
touchdown prop get brought up?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
You guys asked me for some for some Lee's pick
what you guys were asking for?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
He asked you who was going to the Super Bowl? Lee?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Okay, yeah, Packers, Packers, Ravens, I tell you right now.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
See that's all you had to say. That is all
we said. No, you guys said pick something, and I
said pick something.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
For Lee only because we lost all faith and you'll
be able to remember any NFL team name. So at
that point we were just we were hoping you could
pick a color, pick a food or beer anything.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
You guys didn't give me context. I'm sorry I was
not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, the truth was at the end of your response,
Like we did. We gave you all the context. Everybody
was going everybody was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Now I gave you. You're welcome. Rashawn Johnson, by the way,
I do half touch, I do like Bet. I have
no idea why you stumbled upon that. But was that
something you were scrolling through? You were taking a dump? Yeah? Okay, fair,
all right, that's that's fair. He's in full crash out mode. Bro.
(35:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Crash out. This is as crashed out as I've I've
ever seen it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But you know what, though, on the bright side, you
did stumble upon your Lee impression, right, You've been working
on that for four years, mastered it. That was cute
you did that to bro do it?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh my what Homer Simpsons. It sounds like.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's like Homer Simpson, Captain cave Man, Arnold Schwartzenegger. Wow,
it's like everybody all in one.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Somebody Ox said, it's Harry Carry and Arnold Schwartzenegger. You
say Lee, Ah, Laranda just said, somebody put him to bed, right,
(36:12):
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Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, though,
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if they'd like in the NFL, We've got the latest
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massage Championship. What's the award the Watson Trophy? Oh no, you.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Get a plaque that's made of a towel.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Damn, I'm looking at the video of this. Yeah, I
don't get it. I don't understand. How do you how
do you determine a winner? I could tell you, I
could tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I could tell Yeah, I was gonna say, isn't a
subjective instance?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
How quickly the massage? And what do you mean by that?
Like speed? Pencils down? Done? I just I don't I
don't understand what wait? And what's so good? What's the prize?
Because they're having another one next July, by the way,
(38:16):
I believe it's in Denmark if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Can I volunteer?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah? I say, are you a judge where you get
to get massaged all day?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And they're like, yep, all right, that guy was you?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That got was the best?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know, I've never had a massage never.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
That's about right.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
That seems right.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, Hey you look a little stiff.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah you need like an oil? Can you need some
like w D forty?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Trust himself? I started getting them hands.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
But when I saw this topic, I really did think
Lee was gonna be a part of the second for saying.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Got my technique down everything. Have you all watched that technique.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
No, hold on, no, Lee, what is your technique?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No tickling or nothing? Got my technique down and everything?
Oh what's my technique? You got?
Speaker 9 (39:15):
You gotta look at the You just gotta work it
out foot massage man.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
By the way, you know you can get involved in
this for three hundred bucks. What Yeah, I think it's
a two hundred and sixty euros but equates right now
to just under three hundred dollars. If you want to
register for this massage Championship in Denmark next.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Year, I mean to be a massuse staring it.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, to just to try and win the championship. Three
hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Look at that, you should go for it. Let's let
let's have a few bruskis and talk about it.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
How about being one of the recipients? Can you pay
to be one of those?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I don't know, but you're gonna have to be so
it says in fine print at the bottom if you
scroll down, you cannot drink, so you have to be
dead sober while you're doing it though, Lee.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, and by the way, you're gonna have to beat
out Justin Tucker and Bob Kraft. So I don't know
if there's gonna be room for you on any of
those tables. Very strange, Le.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Are you out if that's the case, if you if
you have to be dry going into Lee, Are you out?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, I'll be sober for it. That'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Zero alcohol at least, you can't have. You can't have
even a drink.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It'll be good. I'll be fine. I don't know. I
don't know about that drink out Lee. Have you had
a massage before?
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Have you got of course?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah? Yeah, plenty yeah, I mean not not a lot.
But John
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Depth Chart season in the NFL. Was that a big deal,
(01:03):
like a big reveal for you guys like the program
back in the day when the Depth Chart would come
out and everybody get all fired up, or is this
sort of you kind of already figured it out with
the reps that you get in the teams and units
that you're working with in training, camp and practice. It's
more kind of just from you big reveal to the media,
not not so much the guys that are out there.
(01:25):
It depends I was going to say.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I felt like my most exciting moments was when I
didn't know if I was going to be a starter
or not, not the years that I knew I was
a starter, Like when I got to college, Like what
was that like to even possibly get on the field,
no matter what capacity. So if it was special teams,
it was like, dang, like look at all the people.
(01:50):
There's like there's realities, like real realities that you have
when you play the game. And if you're fortunate enough
to make it to the next level from playing high school,
unless you played in Texas somewhere and you play at
one of those big schools. To come out of a
locker room and to have the opportunity to go on
(02:10):
the field with all of those people there, that's just
it's it's a it's a life changing experience. So those
those practices leading up to the first time, hell, I
can remember the first practices leading up to me getting
my first start, in my first start in college was
against Ohio State, and it's interesting coming into the season,
(02:34):
I didn't know if I would be able to get
the job. When the job off of Aaron Gatton, who
was ahead of me, and the first three games of
the year we played who was it?
Speaker 2 (02:45):
We played.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Like Southern Miss or now I wasn't Southern Miss. I
don't remember the games before. I just remember the Pittsburgh
game was the third game and how that went for me,
and then getting getting put on the first team that
following week leading up to going into Big Ten was.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Pretty pretty special.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
So I feel like when you don't start and you're
you're not knowing you're going to start, and you're trying
to fight for it, I feel like that's way more
intense and way more of an interesting moment in your
time than when you know you're the starter.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Southern Miss, bowling Green at pit yeah, where you go
there was Southern Miss?
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah yeah, okay, there you go and Bowling Green yeah yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I think it goes without saying if there's no intrigue,
it doesn't make it quite as interesting. You know, you're
you're you're working on different things at that point. But
to me, I mean that that's what makes it interesting,
is no matter how the depth chart, especially in preseason.
I mean, it used to be different when we played
because you played four preseason games and so there was
(03:52):
a bit more time if something were to happen. But
for the most part, the depth chart was the depth
chart in part because of what you're getting paid to. Like,
that's one consideration. When you look at the Browns, for example,
and you look at the financial commitment they've made to
all four of those guys, Flacco is going to be
getting paid the lion's share of where they're allocating, you know,
(04:12):
their salary cap to the quarterback position. This year, I
think Pickett's making a little over two million on you know,
the deal that he's under, and then you've got a
third round of fifth round pick. So none of those
guys are making a substantial money, at least non comparison
to Flacco, who I believe is making close to eight, nine, ten,
whatever it was. So there's there's a economics to it too.
(04:34):
At the NFL level that plays a factor, and quite
honestly it's at college now too. You know, when a
kid transfers in and even though we don't have transparency
because we can't see, you know, what these kids are making.
We hear sometimes what they're making, and you know, some
of that's inflated just to make the school look like
they're really shelling out the big bucks. But the reality
(04:57):
is that kid's probably going to be starting.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Right.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You could say there's a quarterback competition, there's this, there's that.
There's a reason why they brought that kid in. They
brought him in because the coach doesn't want to deal
with an unproven, younger guy playing at the college level.
That's just the reality of it, because they don't want
to have to go through the growing pains, especially if
they're a blue blood program that has made the playoff
or is expected to make the playoff. They don't want
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to take a step back and then don't have to
worry about going through the growing pains of figuring out
whether or not a guy can do it. Now.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Look as someone.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Who started as a true freshman, you know, played in
every game, and I remember that first game we're playing
Washington State as a top twenty five team my freshman year,
I wasn't even fully aware that I had, you know,
won the backup job until a day or two before
the game. You know, it wasn't overly evident or clear
to me. I didn't think that i'd played that well
enough in training camp my freshman year to be the guy.
(05:53):
But you know, beat out one guy he ended up transferring,
had another guy there who was a you know, upperclassman
who had played, and and you know they end up,
you know, putting me as the backup. And so I thought, okay,
like that's obviously an indication of how they feel about me.
But now it just comes down to what I can
do once I get on the field. So yeah, I mean,
it goes without saying if there's if you're the start,
(06:13):
I mean, you don't care about a depth start at
that point, you know, But it really does come down
to to me. The money to all of it, Like,
especially in professional sports, they're gonna give the guy who
they've invested the most, paid the most into that first crack,
that first shot at it, and then after that you're
kind of wait and see.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, in Indianapolis, we've got co QB one's Anthony Richardson
and Daniel Jones both listed as QB one. So you
got to pick your guy. You got to pick your fighter.
Who you going with? Daniel Jones is your starter to
kick off the year or Anthony Richardson. If it is
about the money invested, there's a high draft pick investment there,
(06:55):
I'll roll with Daniel Jones. You guys gonna have fun
with Anthony Richardson if you'd like, I'll take Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
It's a really tough situation to be in if you're
Chris Ballard and Shane Stichen for this reason, this is
the guy you drafted like, this is the guy you
took in the first round. He's going into year three
and you know they still after they after this year,
have to make a decision on his fifth year option.
So as it currently stands, you know, there he's guaranteed
(07:26):
to make thirty three almost basically thirty four million dollars
in this four year deal. So when you look at
the investment, they've invested that fourth overall pick and a
lot of money into him. However, you know, has that
come to an end because of the lack of I
don't know if you want to call it maturity, the
lack of performance consistency, you know, lack of peanup is
(07:48):
just be durable enough to stay on the field, all
those things that become an issue. What's interesting the most
to me though, is the ownership change with Jim Orse
passing away, and even though it stays within the Face family,
he's not the one they're calling shots now. You know,
his daughter's taken over, and that group's going to have
to make a decision on a GM who they have
(08:10):
not had any success winning the division since he got there,
and a head coach who I think is a bright
offensive mind but has been hamstrung by you know, the
quarterback situation. So this is one of the more complicated
QB decisions. And I think if you're Shansichin like your
big concern is how do you keep the entire team
(08:31):
cohesive and not allowed the locker room to get divided
if there's any divide whatsoever. I mean, it felt like
being there at the end of last year, there wasn't
so much division because of what Anthony Richardson did earlier
in the year. Like guys like Anthony Richardson, but there's
a lot of older guys who are on that team
who played and they're saying themselves, man, you can't tap
out of a play, you know, like you just you
(08:53):
can't do that, and I think there was a learning
curve there for Anthony Richardson. I think he's learned from that.
But that's what prompted bringing we got like Daniel Jones
in because they still see upside the SeeAbility, you know,
Shane Steckin sees his attributes able to fit into this
offense in a really, really big way. So I'm gonna
(09:14):
lead towards Anthony Richardson getting the first shot, but I
think there's a chance that that rugg gets ripped from
out underneath him very fast.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, I mean, we don't really know what Anthony Richardson
is going to be as a pro player just yet.
I think we know we have a strong idea of
what we think it could be and what maybe it
is with Daniel Jones. So if I'm the Colts, I
(09:45):
definitely want to see unless unless Anthony Richardson has done
something in training camp and leading up to training camp
and in the OTAs in the mini camp that would
say his play is in such question to the to
the coaching staff that we're going to go with Daniel Jones.
(10:09):
I just don't think you make the decision to go
with Jones knowing what you saw him come from. You know,
I listen, he's a pretty decent quarterback. He's had pretty
decent moments as a quarterback. But I don't think anyone
would would say that, Wow, I feel like I've changed
(10:29):
the the trajectory of my team by adding Daniel Jones
as our starting quarterback or as our quarterback. So I
don't know that he moves the needle. I would say,
I lean on the side he doesn't really move the needle.
But does Anthony Richardson move the needle? He hasn't proven
that he he he doesn't. He just hasn't proven that
he has. So I feel like starting out, you drafted him.
(10:53):
He's your guy. Let him play himself out of the position,
you know, because it's not like with Daniel Jones. You're
using a guy that you know, you feel, you know,
overly confident coming into it that he's going to change
your team that much differently than what Anthony Richardson is
going to do being there already.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well in the same division, the AFC South. We've got
other depth chart news, this time with the Jacksonville Jaguars,
where Travis Hunter listed as a wide receiver one and
a cornerback two for the Jacksonville Jaguars. His head coach
Liam Cohene talked about his rookie with The Rich Eisen
(11:33):
Show yesterday.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
He has taken massive strides, specifically at the receiver position
of truly playing it right, how to run each route,
how to attack leverage. His ball skills and body control
are extremely natural, so you can't really coach that what
he's been able to learn and getting aligned assignments, fundamentals, techniques,
(11:55):
and then when you go into a scrimmage and he
gets one on one on a choice route and he's
got a linebacker on him and he.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Can make you miss.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Ultimately, for him, it's really going to come down to,
like offensively and defensively, we've done more offense because that
was where more the development was necessary, right, so much
more naturally to just go walk out in the field
and play corner like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
What he's done.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
He can go do that very similarly. Now there's a
lot of checks, there's a lot of calls, there's a
lot of different things that go to that. But offensively,
we felt like there was a little bit more development
that was necessary, and it's a lot more ball, right,
just a lot more scheme and words and call.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
So that was Liam Cohen talking about Travis Hunter's development.
By the way, he also said that he believes that
it's there's a chance that he could win Offensive and
Defensive Rookie of the Year. I think we're getting a
little ahead of ourselves. But nonetheless that's the opinion that Travis.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Let me throw that back at you guys. Let me
throw it back at you guys, because there was an argument,
to me made that his ability to play as many
snaps as he did in college helped him get the highs.
I'm not saying that that's why he wanted I know
there's some people who feel that way.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But do you think that will play a factor too
at the NFL level? Because it was so rare at
the college level, people looked at that and said, no,
this is significant. Now you're jumping up to the highest level.
And if he's able to do it at that level,
wouldn't you say he'd kind of get the benefit of
the doubt, where if statistically he's not as close to
(13:27):
some guys, there will be that conversation of yeah, but
he is playing both ways.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, I would say he's going to get the benefit
of the doubt. And again, I think the one thing
that people aren't paying attention to that I'm paying attention
to day one, Like day one I'm paying attention to,
is if he pulls this off and he is listed
on the depth chart as a second or first string
(13:54):
on offense, a second or first string on defense, there
you go. When we get the contract time, what is
that going to look like. I'm sorry, it's just got
to be. It's gotta be talked about. If he establishes
that he is playing a roster position on offense and
a roster position on defense, and let's just say he
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gets Rookie of the Year on both sides of the ball.
Let's just say, moving into the future, he's looked at
as an all Pro offensive player and an all Pro
defensive player.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
What do you think they're going to do. So if
the market at that point is forty million for a
wide receiver, forty million for a cornerback, he should get
eighty million. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Know that he gets based upon how many plays he's playing,
based upon the production, but let's just say for the
sake of saying he's elite at both positions.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Talk about bang for your buck, talk about bang free
because I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You gotta do two contracts? I mean, how do you
not you gotta do the contract?
Speaker 2 (15:01):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's what I'm That's that's the most curiosity I have
towards the Travis under situation outside of can it work?
Can he be a guy that's on the depth chart
that is truly playing not just spot duty. I'm saying
truly is an option and truly is playing and could
(15:24):
actually like be a pro bowler and all pro on
both sides of the ball. How do you how do
you handle that financially coming out of your rookie contract?
Because he did I mean going into his rookie contract.
He did the contract as a one way player. But
yet he's gonna play two ways. So you're getting more
(15:45):
bang for your buck already having him on your your
roster already. So how does that play out? Do you
come back to the table and say, Okay, I've established
that I can be elite on both sides of the ball.
You're gonna pay me for being on both sides of
the ball. What does that look like? I mean, talk to.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
The contract experts, talk to the insider bredon Quinn.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Well, I mean, look, he'll get a premium, but he's
still got to do that first. Like this is, you know,
three years down the road conversation.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I just how many more in a game? What's the
difference in the number of plays between college and the NFL? Like,
on offensive do.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
You probably play on average in college a higher number.
I'd say each side somewhere seventy plus maybe maybe eighty
depending on the scheme and system. So you're probably playing
about thirty forty more snaps a game. NFL is a
little less somewhere in the sixties, so only just because
(16:48):
of the running clock, which plays a bit more of
a factor there.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
So then if we're looking at you know, he did
it both ways for eleven games. Now it's seventeen. But
if you were to factor in less number of plays
per game, yeah, maybe it is possible.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's it's definitely possible, and he's going to try to
do it. What never gets factored into this is the
intensity of it. It's the highest level of football. There
you go, and so you know you're playing, you're playing,
you know, not necessarily as many snaps, but the snaps
you are playing are significantly a greater toll in your body,
and he's going up against guys who, you know, when
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you're playing in the Big twelve, you know you're not
playing every single play, And honestly, at that level, he
probably wasn't being targeted quite as much. You know, he
probably wasn't seeing a whole lot of throws his way,
with the exception of a few teams, few players who
you know they weren't scared of him, or they thought
he could match up, or they want to test him.
In the NFL, he will be tested right off the
bat every single time he gets in there. And it's
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not he's not going to have his easy releases. You know,
there'll be more guys who want to press and get
up on him and get hands on him before he
gets started running downfield. I mean, if you look at
like what makes him so special, he's incredibly elusive with
his ability to get in and out of cuts and routes,
and that's something that he again will still be a
work in progress. But every team's gonna try to mess
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with a young guy and try to knock him off
his start, will mess up the timing, mess up his depth,
mess up his steps, and that's the easiest way to
get and get inside the head of a rookie wide
receiver is you try to get hands on him early
and get physical with him, and now it becomes about
a fight, and the emotions get involved in everything else
and you can throw technique and fundamentals out the window.
(18:33):
So he's going to be challenged because you know naturally
he's that hyped up and for a good reason. But
how he handles that over the course of this next
season will give you a better indication of the hypothetical
of like will he be paid as a guy who's
a two way player? And you also have to ask
yourself if here's the organization, you may say, yeah, he's
gonna take U two roster spots, so we love this,
(18:55):
But then you also have to have the insurance pulse
of two guys who are ready to come in if
he gets hurt. And the another thing you have to
ask yourself is does this takeaway from the longevity of
his career. I mean, LaVar, you've played with some guys
like E Green, he played for a long time and
can play in the secondary, and there's wide receivers who
could play a long time. Now when you're doing both, like,
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is this a deal where you watch him play for
eight years? And then that's kind of it because it
took such a toll on his body and trying to
play that and he snaps both ways. The physicality to
it that he's not able to play as long as
he'd like to play. So instead of being a guy
at thirty who's trying to get to that last big contract,
(19:36):
it's more of a I'm just trying to get whatever
I can or decide even if I want to play
at this point. Yeah, Like those are all things again
conversations for down the road, but I'm rooting for him.
I hope he can do it. I'd love to see
him building. I think he's talented enough.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
If that dude got both Rookies of the Year for
both sides of the ball, that would be some uncharted
territory ever in the history of the game. And then
how do you look at it? I'm just stuck on that.
I'm just stuck. How how do you view this kid
is actually able to pull this off at the league
league level?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
How do you how do you handle it? I'm gonna
be curious. It's going to be exciting to see if
he pulls it off.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
But I was telling we were having a conversation on Saturday,
and I was asking TJ and Plex because their receivers,
you know, how does that how does that all play out?
And you know, TJ was like, well, they're they're only
going to play zone. You know, they'll probably play zone
a lot more than they play man when he's on defense,
and da da da this, And I was like, well,
(20:39):
if I'm looking at it from a perspective of getting
a competitive edge, if I see that they're playing Travis
Hunter both ways on on on defense, like as if
I'm calling plays on offense and he's on defense. If
he's in a zone, If he's in a zone, look
I'm I'm running quicks right at him. If if he's
(21:03):
in a man, look I'm running him off. No matter what,
no matter what, no matter where to play is going,
I'm going after him every single play to make him work.
If he's going both ways, and that's going to give
me a competitive edge. If you're going to leave him
in there, you're either going to pull him out because
we're going to run him and you got to deal
(21:23):
with him doing that on both sides of the ball,
or you're going to leave him in there. And if
you leave him in there, then at some point during
the game, I believe we get a competitive advantage. So
to me, I don't. I just feel like it's it
sounds good, it makes sense that he's talented enough to
do it, but in reality, these guys make so much money,
(21:45):
they're such great, brilliant minds. For whatever it's worth, at
the play calling positions, I just don't see how physically
and mentally he would be able to stand up and
be a two way player of full time two way
player at the league level.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Now said as much, I don't think they Jacksonville's doing
themselves a disservice though, if they're going to sacrifice their
coverages or what they're doing just because he's in the game, right, Like,
you can't do that. I mean to me, what made
what was most interesting is there's only one ball on
offense and only one guy can get it. So even
though he's, you know, first string on the wide receiver
(22:24):
depth chart, are you going to put him in there
where he's not maybe always the first read? I mean,
you do have Brian Thomas on there, who is your
number one wide receiver as of now, you know you
took Travis Hunter, because you need to be able to
have two guys that your quarterback can rely on throw to.
Like you play in the AFC, You've got to get
through the Chiefs, the Bills, the Bengals, like all these
(22:46):
teams who have studs can score that the you know,
Baltimore Ravens and Lamar and everything else they do. So
you have to be able to get through all those
teams that can score a high rep a high pace.
So I think the toughest thing for Liam Cohen is
how did they prioritize those reps and how they're using him.
Like on defense, you're on defense, you're playing that whatever
(23:07):
the scheme calls for. Kind of in that moment if
you get a DC, you're saying, wow, we can't play
man because you know Travis is in there. It's like,
well you probably shouldn't be in there then. I mean
on offense, like I'm just curious to see, like are
they going to use him as a decoy at times
or is it like is a lot of the offense
gonna be built around when he's in there? Trying to
get him the ball? Because If it is, then it's
(23:29):
a sheer tell of what they're doing when he is
in there. So you know, look, Liam Cohen's creative offensive mind.
That's why he got the head coaching job in Jacksonville.
So that's for him to figure out. But those are
a lot of the things that like you look for
when you know you play in the NFL and you
play against a roster that maybe has six wide receivers
on the active roster, you pay attention to is in
(23:50):
the game. I mean you look out there and go,
all right, tryon Erowin's in. Maybe it's a run or
maybe it's something, but they're probably not going to go
downfield to a shot for him, right, Like you look
at the personnel as part of the clues and hints
of how you're gonna try to stop a team, you know, defensively,
and that would be one where I'm more curious what
he isn't of offense, how he's utilized and if he's
(24:11):
gonna be in there on a bunch of run plays
or you know, is this something where like he's going
to be a number one wide receiver and if there's
an issue for depth somewhere, then they use him as
that backup cornerback as well.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
It's gonna be really fun to watch though. Either way.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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if you will, a shift in the Super Bowl odds
in the NFL kind of surprising. We'll get into that
for you here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (25:29):
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up fifteen minutes from now. There's a new championship out.
I don't even get it, but there is a new
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in the NFL. We'll get into that for you again
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we've got ourselves a little bit of a shift, if
you will. In the NFL. The Buffalo Bills are now
the co favorites to win the Super Bowl according to
our friends at DraftKings. In some places they are the
(26:32):
clear favorite to be the to win the Super Bowl.
Some people have them sitting alone at the top, but
they are on DraftKings. Our friends over at DK have
them in the Baltimore Ravens at six to one to
win the Super Bowl. You're defending champs. The Eagles are
sitting at third at seven to one, and then you've
got the chief sitting at plus eight point fifty, so
(26:53):
a little over eight to one for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
Give give me the Eagles and Chiefs. I'll take those
odds right now.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
I wish I wish that there was Winds.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, what happened to that? Is that getting done or not?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Well, here's what happened. There is something that came in
between Lee and getting it done, and that most likely
was a twelve ounce beer or they're well beveraged.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
So good luck and good luck getting it done today.
It's taco Tuesday, so good luck getting it done today.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
And then you get this delivery Wednesday. There's Thursday Thursday,
so we're looking at I don't know, maybe not Sunday.
You can see the problem how this never gets done.
Definitely not a Saturday.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Makeshift sounders are really good though, wins Winds.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
That's you, Lorraina. That's not Lee. That was good, but
I'm saying, you can't give him credit. He did nothing.
That's just you.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's very true, all.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Right, So thanks Lee, thanks for.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Here's why I would say that the Bills not the
wisest bet this upcoming year because they're dealing with a
trend that is undefeated, and that trend is they're on
hard knocks, and when you're on hard knocks, you don't
really do all that well. That is the history of
(28:21):
the show. We've got over a decade of evidence to
prove that. So with that being said, the Buffalo Bills
will not be winning a Super Bowl next year.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
I mean, they've not given you any reason to think
that they're going to win a Super Bowl. They've been
given that, they have earned that opportunity quite a few times.
They've never never sealed the deal. You know. As good
as the team is, I still think that there's something
to team history connected to these types of things. And listen,
(28:55):
Philly became a team that was able to get over
that hump and get that a louse u Sive championship
and now they have two. But I got I gotta
be honest with you, I just don't get that feeling
from Buffalo.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I would have to see Buffalo get there.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
And do it before I you know, feel comfortable saying
going into a season, this is a team that should
be considered a super Bowl team. There's just certain teams
like Cleveland. I won't do it for Cleveland. I won't
do it for the Bills. I won't do it for Jacksonville.
I mean that's enough right there. Won't do it for
(29:34):
the Jets. So those are all that can't get rights.
There's there's a few can't get rights out there, and
there's no reason to feel as though, even though as
good as they may be, that they're going to win.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
It just doesn't make sense. Not the kind of a
pain in the ass about the Patrick Mahomes era. If
you're one of these other teams in the AFC outside
of Joe Burrow and Tom Brady, nobody's really doing it, Like,
nobody's really getting that done the postseason. Baltimore seemingly had
things in their favor a couple of years ago, favored
(30:07):
at home in the AFC Title Game, and then just
sort of melted down. Say Flowers had the penalty, the turnover,
and you know last year weren't able to get it done.
I would roll if I've got a pick between the
two Buffalo and Baltimore, I'll take Baltimore. If you're gonna
if you're gonna pick between the two co favorites to
win the Super Bowl, I will take Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Knocks Loucks.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I mean, I'm not I'm not entertaining. Are you giving
a pick? Q? Like? Oh, out of the a f C.
They're going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
I gave my pick, you said, you said, phillyh Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
No, I'm not doing quit Swift, I'm not doing it today.
Sticks picks, Thank you, He's out.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
To go.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
That's amazing today, That's amazing. He slappy Lee, You want
to give your pick? What do you got, hey, Lee?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
For a f C? Oh my god? Anything Lee?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Happy hours? Today?
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Lee's got a Bombay Sapphire plus eight hundred. Who's your
pick for what a f C?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Oh my god, dude, for anything? Just picked something?
Speaker 2 (31:38):
To name anything?
Speaker 4 (31:39):
The color the NBA Finals, malfunction, Ravens Packers, malfunction.
Speaker 8 (31:46):
Ravens Packings, packers, to lapse drinks, Oh God, lead at,
Oh God.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
The snort and the Michael Jackson, the he he and
the snort. Those are the dead giveaways. Well, look, congratulations
to any but any teams that were mentioned here doing
a good bet that I put down. What's that?
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Rashawn Johnson over three and a half touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
What I put it?
Speaker 9 (32:25):
Three and a half touchdowns for Shawn Johnson? His over
unders three and a half touchdowns? Ben Johnson's there, David Montgomery.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Some of the running back in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Yeah, on a second running back.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
No, I'm aware of that. I'm just wondering, but where
did that come from? Why would he be doing prop
bets on Rashawn Johnson? I saw it, and I bet it.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Buddy. Let me if you started to asking your questions
about why Lee does anything? Figure down a rabbit hole,
you don't know what's another end?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I mean, he saw it fit to inject that information
into the conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Just where did that come from? A rabbit hole? Right now?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
To reboot all these computers?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Now you've now you've gone in here for some for
some lease picks. Here here you go, so you're on
a gambling site when you say, when you say reboot
these computers, like it's you just turn it off then
back on, Like let's let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
You're not some tech wizard you're doing something. What are
you doing that's uniquely.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Well, there's a million there's a million sites.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Long.
Speaker 9 (33:34):
What are you I need access? It's stuff for like
posting our editing. Yeah, it's stuff for editing. It's stuff
for posting our podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Which, by the way, say our podcast did post yesterday.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Hour two did not post right away.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
All we did was ask you you got one in
the Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
What is going on here? The hell did Rashawn Johnson's
touchdown prop get brought up?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
You guys asked me for some for some Lee's pick
what you guys were asking for?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
He asked you who was going to the Super Bowl? Lee?
Speaker 6 (34:10):
Okay, yeah, Packers, Packers, Ravens, I tell you right now.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
See that's all you had to say. That is all
we said. No, you guys said pick something, and I
said pick something.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
For Lee only because we lost all faith and you'll
be able to remember any NFL team name. So at
that point we were just we were hoping you could
pick a color, pick a food or beer anything.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
You guys didn't give me context. I'm sorry I was
not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, the truth was at the end of your response,
Like we did. We gave you all the context. Everybody
was going everybody was talking about it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Lee.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Now I gave you. You're welcome. Rashawn Johnson, by the way,
I do half touch, I do like Bet. I have
no idea why you stumbled upon that. But was that
something you were scrolling through? You were taking a dump? Yeah? Okay, fair,
all right, that's that's fair. He's in full crash out mode. Bro.
(35:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Crash out. This is as crashed out as I've I've
ever seen it.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
But you know what, though, on the bright side, you
did stumble upon your Lee impression, right, You've been working
on that for four years, mastered it. That was cute
you did that to bro do it?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Oh my what Homer Simpsons. It sounds like.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's like Homer Simpson, Captain cave Man, Arnold Schwartzenegger. Wow,
it's like everybody all in one.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Somebody Ox said, it's Harry Carry and Arnold Schwartzenegger. You
say Lee, Ah, Laranda just said, somebody put him to bed, right,
(36:12):
all right? It is two pros and a cup of
Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, though,
there's a championship out there and there's some interested people
if they'd like in the NFL, We've got the latest
for you here NFSR.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 2 (36:36):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
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deteriorating in the NFL. We'll get into that for you
here on FSR. Before we get to this awkward and
weird story that might appeal to a couple of people
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(37:17):
massage Championship. What's the award the Watson Trophy? Oh no, you.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Get a plaque that's made of a towel.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Damn, I'm looking at the video of this. Yeah, I
don't get it. I don't understand. How do you how
do you determine a winner? I could tell you, I
could tell you.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
I could tell Yeah, I was gonna say, isn't a
subjective instance?
Speaker 2 (37:54):
How quickly the massage? And what do you mean by that?
Like speed? Pencils down? Done? I just I don't I
don't understand what wait? And what's so good? What's the prize?
Because they're having another one next July, by the way,
(38:16):
I believe it's in Denmark if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
Can I volunteer?
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah? I say, are you a judge where you get
to get massaged all day?
Speaker 2 (38:25):
And they're like, yep, all right, that guy was you?
Speaker 4 (38:28):
That got was the best?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know, I've never had a massage never.
Speaker 4 (38:31):
That's about right.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
That seems right.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, Hey you look a little stiff.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
Yeah you need like an oil? Can you need some
like w D forty?
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Trust himself? I started getting them hands.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
But when I saw this topic, I really did think
Lee was gonna be a part of the second for saying.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Got my technique down everything. Have you all watched that technique.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
No, hold on, no, Lee, what is your technique?
Speaker 2 (39:10):
No tickling or nothing? Got my technique down and everything?
Oh what's my technique? You got?
Speaker 9 (39:15):
You gotta look at the You just gotta work it
out foot massage man.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
By the way, you know you can get involved in
this for three hundred bucks. What Yeah, I think it's
a two hundred and sixty euros but equates right now
to just under three hundred dollars. If you want to
register for this massage Championship in Denmark next.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Year, I mean to be a massuse staring it.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, to just to try and win the championship. Three
hundred bucks.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Look at that, you should go for it. Let's let
let's have a few bruskis and talk about it.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
How about being one of the recipients? Can you pay
to be one of those?
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I don't know, but you're gonna have to be so
it says in fine print at the bottom if you
scroll down, you cannot drink, so you have to be
dead sober while you're doing it though, Lee.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Yeah, and by the way, you're gonna have to beat
out Justin Tucker and Bob Kraft. So I don't know
if there's gonna be room for you on any of
those tables. Very strange, Le.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Are you out if that's the case, if you if
you have to be dry going into Lee, Are you out?
Speaker 2 (40:15):
No, I'll be sober for it. That'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Zero alcohol at least, you can't have. You can't have
even a drink.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
It'll be good. I'll be fine. I don't know. I
don't know about that drink out Lee. Have you had
a massage before?
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Have you got of course?
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah? Yeah, plenty yeah, I mean not not a lot.
But John
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