August 7, 2025 • 40 mins
ESPN’s Louis Riddick made some questionable comments about Shedeur Sanders starting in the first game of the Cleveland Browns preseason, and Brady has a response + Justin Fields issues already in New York, and should Matthew Stafford’s back injury be a cause of concern?
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Speaker 3 (00:57):
To a strip off.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, first you have to tip you did?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
She said, I'm not quipon quipon.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
They already they say, Loraina coming, she comes like a storm.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Huh huh.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I bet you. Lorena is a big tipper one hundred percent.
I think that this is now.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
It only takes fourteen singles, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Heck yea, what is that?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
They still come to me?
Speaker 6 (01:27):
They still come to you, dang, you worked at a restaurant, right, yes, yeah,
if you've ever worked at a restaurant, you're a big tipper.
You just kind of know that world. Then there's something
she just said. She rolls with fourteen to a strip club.
I mean, why go.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
In there if you're only going in there with fourteen singles?
What you please tell me what the plan is with
fourteen singles?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
You find the ones, give them a man, and you
give her all fourteen of your.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Ones, like singularly, yeah, make it rain. No, you can't
make it rain with fourteen singles.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
You could if the lightings right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
No, you cannot. What do you mean that is impossible? Well,
here's as well.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Throw Here's what Jonathan at Jonas goes and picks them
up after you throws them down.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Correct, you know he's he's breaking them up. You know
he's picking him up quick. That's that's throwing it up there,
that's the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Jonas throws him at his computer while he's holding the
mouse with his right hand.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
You're right, left hand, you're right, Yeah, I'm not good there. Yeah,
you just you throw them up in the air and
then as soon as they go to grab me, just go.
He's got a gun, and then you just scoop all back.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Up and you take the first stripper I fell in
love with, who got my fourteen dollars? Is also tattooed
on my Ankle's very awkward.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Would you say the first stripper you feilh like?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That may be that may be a curly hair, Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Anyways, that may not, that may not be the story
we want to hear.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
What do you mean her name or picture or what.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Like her image? Her likeness in a stick figure stripper?
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Yes, she.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You were so guys, you guys extend Nazi. That wasn't
it inspired? That was y'all had a moment. Huh, y'all
had a moment, a lot of moments. Yeah, memorable moments.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
For fourteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's crazy, man, cheaper in a movie. I mean, why
couldn't you just round it off to fifteen? Like why fourteen?
What's the significance of fourteen? I'm just I'm confused.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
That was just what we decided on that night.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
All right, it's interesting, Okay, that's interesting. I had no
clue that was going to take that turn.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But yeah, that one threw me off. I ain't gonna lie.
I mean just when I thought it couldn't get any
more bizarre. Then we go to a tattoo of her
on the ankle. That's uh wow, Well okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah. Let mean, let's see it, right, I mean, have
you posted that on your ig for uh uh.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
No, I don't think I have posted my stick figure
your stripper. I'll show you guys in the break.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I think you need to show it to us. Now,
come on, come show it to us. Now, give a
little let's get a look at this. Let's get it
in segment view of this this stripper that you fell
in love with?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
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her bell bottom in between us yoga pants, and she's
trying to show us this. Oh that's tiny, I'll get please,
that looks like the Blair Witch stick. Please, that's how
you were playing Hangman and you stop midway through.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It looks like Lee did the did the tattoo. So
I'll say you did not need a tattoo artist for
that one, Lorena, that was one. Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I don't sell that online?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No, no, no, So Brady can see it. Yeah, no,
I'm not please.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If that's the likeness of the stripper you fell in
love with, I'm I'm just you know, No, I don't it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Looks straight like a witch hair.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah that's not I mean, yeah, no, I don't buy
that one. But that looks like that looks like the
new image that goes on women's bathrooms is what it
looks like women enter here. You got to be more
clear with that stuff these days. Yeah, did you see it? Q?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Did you see it? I've not seen you're not seeing it.
It's not come through.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, you're not missing much. You're not you're not
missing much. That that that is a very short story. Yeah,
that's just one of the something that's just one of
the worst things to say that this is the reason
why I got it. If you're saying based off.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Of real quick, what age did you get that tattoo at?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And how well was the tattoo artist the same.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Maybe me think?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Okay, hold on, hold on? Was that it was at
least it was at least eight years ago?
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Good, it is at least years ago.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And it was I went to the Fits the Fritz
in Anaheim. That's this, that's the strip club I went to.
And then I got the tattoo when I went to
Vegas a few months later.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
So you were so inspired you waited months?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, I had to design what we wanted.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So you had to design that.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Tell me you design and.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
My friend put two different So mine's in one position
on the pole and his is in a different position
on the pole.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
But same same girl is.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Is in a different position.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And yes, I have matching sticks figure tattoos.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Did you have a relationship with him as well? Yeah,
it's like a group thing.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Group enough.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Hey, all right, y'all clearly was on on something because
that that stick figure.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Is not it?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think she's cute, the stick figure. Yes, that's why
you put it where no one can see that? Bad
boy you? Okay, all right, Well there we go. Let's
let's talk some Well, here's what we can see.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Shadoor Sanders this weekend in the NFL, all right, shad
Or Sanders getting a start for the Cleveland Browns. Everybody's
excited he'll take on the Carolina Panthers and uh, people
are really fired up about this, but people are also concerned.
Somebody that's concerned about the whole situation is one Lewis
(07:44):
Riddick of ESPN, who said this about Shudor's opportunity.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps.
They play a whole half of a game, and then
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all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice, But now you
expect me to know that's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling
you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
So that is Lewis Riddick on.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Yeah, this is such a long departure from the truth
and the reality. And what pains me about a take
like this And I heard this and I literally thought
to myself, it's a lie. Like I want everyone out
there to know that is one of the biggest lies.
It's one of the biggest reasons why people get frustrated
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with ESPN's content is because they have people who go
on TV and they say things that literally are not true.
Let's just start off with this fact. Has it ever
changed for a rookie that he wasn't gonna get enough
reps before they go into a preseason game in the history,
in the history of the NFL draft, Like that's always
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been the case. Like when you're drafted as a rookie,
you never or very seldom, I would say, what point
zero one percent of the time, maybe you're like a
cam Ward, which even cam Ward up to a point
this offseason, who is the number one overall pick was
quote unquote battling with Will Levis. So even he wasn't
getting every single rep to prepare him for the first
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preseason game. But every single player isn't getting every single
rep to prepare them for every single scenario.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And by the way, that's okay.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Like when you become a backup, or if Shoud or
Sanders ends up being the backup, do you think he's
gonna get every single reped in the course of the
season to prepare him for every scenario when he goes
into a game.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
No, that's like.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Part of the job. So I would look at it
this way. One like the scenario he's playing out is
such a long departure from the truth for every single rookie,
not just Shadoor Sanders, which is what I hate about
him actually saying this on TV at anyone giving it
any credibility. The second thing is Picket's been out with
(10:18):
the hamstring injury, Gabriel's been out with the hamstring injury.
Flacco has been mixing in with the reps too, They've
all kind of shared reps. So in reality of all
of the quarterback situations, just because there's a lot of
bodies there, it actually doesn't mean at all that shad
door Sanders hasn't got a fair amount of reps and
all sorts of different types of situations. The next thing
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i'd step two is it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Everyone understands that there's going to be mistakes made. Everyone
understands there's gonna be a learning curve, there's gonna be
adjustment to the speed of the game, and there's a
lot that comes along with that. No one comes back
from a preseason game completely chewing guys out. They're trying
to teach, they're trying to get them to learn, they're
trying to see improvement from game one to Game two
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to Game.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Three, when they then will have to make a decision.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
It used to be until game four when a lot
of those rookies, young guys got to play a half
of football. You know, they got to play the two
minute drive going into halftime. They got to do the
coming out series in the third quarter, where you make adjustments,
you script off some starters to go with and try
to build momentum like that. So, like, I sit here
and I listen to this, and I go I get
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people's frustration with ESPN's content because it feels like they're
just throwing stuff out the wall to say stuff to
try to get a reaction. In reality, it's so far
from the truth. And also like talking about well he's
been Yeah, he's played a lot of college football. He's
been a start at Jacksonville State. He's obviously been a
start out called out of for a couple of years.
(11:48):
He's got a lot of experience. Like he's started more games. Okay,
he started more games at this point. If you look
at college in comparison leslast five years, he started more
games than Trey Lance. He'd probably go back to his
high school days. He started more games over Anthony Richardson
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and when he started one season at Florida and a
handful of games since then Indianapolis. It's not like he
doesn't have actual starting experience, granted at the college level,
but running multiple offenses in multiple places and being successful
doing so, so like it's almost like he's building this
thing up to protect him for like whatever criticism may come.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's preseason. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I'll put it
this way.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
The first preseason game I ever got into, do you
want to know When I got to go into the
game fourth quarter and I was running a two minute
drill the entire time, and people were like, Oh, it's
because the hold on everything else.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You know why I was able to execute.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
I think we went down for like two separate touchdown drives,
did two separate touchdown passes. Because I'd been there for
ots in mini camp. I didn't miss Jack Squatt and
Shador's been there for OTAs in mini camp and training
camp is just a rehearsal of the same stuff you
already had. So to sit there and say that is
an absolute lie, and he knows it. Like these coaches
(13:09):
work with players, they try to build up players.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's entirely different.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
God of the days where you've got these organizations that
bring a guy in or spend a draft pick on them,
and they just push them the wayside. They don't talk
to them. That is such a long departure from how
any cultures build on any team anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Most guys move with camp during the first game of
the preseason year. Anyway, you're looking at the cheerleaders, you're
looking into the stands. You're trying to see what you
can see. Did anybody come to see you so you.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Can see them? So y'all can see each other. And
look at each other back and forth.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's what preseason is really about, especially the first game,
last game. I mean, let's be clear, you're not going
I was being funny though, You're not going into a
game game planning in the first game of the year.
So to even put that type of weight on it,
I would say, this is the one time where you
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would say you want to see a rookie play really
well because it's going to be a vanilla approach to
the game. You're going in there generally with a limited
amount of plays that you're going to use, so you
don't open up the playbook as to what it is
you're going to do and what you're going to be
when you get to the regular season. Those are the
things you work on in practice, not in the game.
(14:26):
So it's not even a prepared depth chart. There's no
scouting report, there's no nothing for game one in preseason,
so there's no reason to have put that. I can
understand lewis putting the pressure on it to say, Okay,
this kid is going to be measured and judged at
a different level than any other quarterback that's a rookie
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in this situation. Maybe he's right, Maybe he's wrong. It's
not a horrible assessment. But what I will say is
is to automatically say, well, he hasn't been put in
six in position to be successful. I tend to agree.
I think that is an overstated way of approaching it,
because again, for one, you're not game planning him. So
(15:10):
it's not like you're going to roll coverages and disguise
coverages and do certain things to try to confuse them
and bring pressures from different spots on the field. You're
not going to show those aspects of your defense because
you don't want to put that on film. You do
not want an organization being able to take that and
(15:31):
add that to their scouting report. Okay, when they do
this and they walk him down, they generally are blitzing
from here. Oh, this is a trigger blitz type of situation.
I have the back here, We're going to run an RPO.
I see this. That linebacker is triggered. You know he's triggering.
He's rushing based off of what the running back is doing.
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If you're giving offensive coordinators that type of film and
week one of the preseason, you probably won't have a
coaching job very long. So to me, you come into
this game, you have the opportunity to dink and dunk,
do do vanilla things, maybe even take a chance, you know,
maybe even take a chance and take some risk, because
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at the end of the day, if it doesn't go right,
all it is is a practice. It's a glorified practice
against another team.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
What's the downside? A week ago, the conversation was, he's
not gonna get enough opportunities. There's too many guys there.
He's fourth string, he's this, he's that. Now a week later,
because of injuries, he's getting a chance to start.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Their first preseason and you already saying stuff that that
justifies if he doesn't play well.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Wait, like this is all good.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
And that's the other thing, like, is he gonna be
more heavily scrutinized than cam Ward who's their starter going
into the season. There really is no other option. Is
he going to be more scrutinized than Tyler Shuck who
they drafted in the second round of New Orleans And
it's either between Spencer Ral, Jake Canner or Tyler Shuck. No,
because those fans are looking at and being critical of
the guys who are already going to be thrust it
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into that Week one starting role. I mean, Joe Flacco
is not gonna play at least not in this preseason game,
maybe not at all this preseason. Who knows, because it's
gonna be the start of going in to Week one.
He's number one the depth chart. Now that's not gonna change.
This is really about whether or not Shador will be
second third string depending on how this is gonna work.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And so it's all upside.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
This entire thing is completely upside for Shaudor to go
in there and play well. So I just I sit
there and I listen to stuff like this, and I go, yeah,
I get it. I get why people are concerned with
ESPN acquiring a lot of the NFL media properties and
ESPN Red Zone and people saying like they're gonna ruin
it because they do. Like they put people on who
(17:45):
have takes like this that are just factually not true.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know what's interesting to me, and I'll leave it
here at this that you know, Stephen A made the
ridiculous comment and assertion that that Shador Sanders was comparable
in ways to Colin Kaepernick, and I, you know, I
came out and said what I had to say about it.
I thought it was a ridiculous assertion and that it
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shouldn't be comparable. Let the young man play ball, don't
turn this into like this racial thing where he doesn't
get an opportunity. But when you have moments like these,
when the media drives the narrative home that he's been
set up and he's been put in a position where
he can't succeed, it does kind of take on that
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that feeling of he's going to be mortared is that
the right way it martyred, that they're going to put
him in a situation where nothing he does will be
him having to be accountable for it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And so when you.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Look at it, while you're you're correct and saying, well,
you know, the shucks and the Ward should get all
of the scrutiny, what's going to happen is is who's
ever starting for Cleveland is going to get all the
scrutiny because the scrutiny is connected to what is happening
with Shador Sanders. Because it actually grades out as a
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more interesting, more polarizing, more clickbait, more headline grabbing story
as to what is the trajectory of Shador Sanders. When
are we going to see Shador Sanders? That's gonna be
the over I can guarantee you one of the overwhelmingly
strong storylines that will be in this season will be
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what is the progress of Shador Sanders? Where is Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
All of that pressure now creates the what is Cleveland doing?
How is that starting quarterback playing? What is their record?
What's justified to say that there's now the moment in
time where you have to entertain what you're gonna do
with Shador Sanders. I do believe that will be one
of the top three top five storylines all see than long.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Have you guys heard anything about Jalen Milroe this offseason?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
No, not since since Rookie Minicie.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You know, people were kind of hyping them up, and
now you haven't really.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Although that being said, have you heard anything about anything
much out in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
It's just but like like that's all the conversation is
all surrounding shad Or Sanders, And now you got people
sort of you know, laying the nest down for a
for a soft landing, just in case he struggles.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's just it's cloud chasing too right, like it's cloud.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Okay, let's let's pull back the curtain. We've worked in TV,
we know how this works. They come up with a
list of topics. I mean, you're in radio right now,
and people will sit there and say, well, what are
we going to talk about?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
What's going to grab the attention? Like I was just
out of College football NFL seminar for Fox. And one
of the things Fox does an incredible job of.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Is they do surveys.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
They take a lot of the data and research behind
how people are consuming their content, whether that's in broadcast television,
cable television, digitally. And what was most fascinating about it
is who do you think was the most recognized figure
in college football last year?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Well coach, but oh coach yeah yeah, yeah, yeah by
far and away.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now here's the Here's an interesting thing of the survey
they took.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
It was about sixty four percent of fans that were
college football fans could identify Dan and identify and.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
As called us head coach.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
So as you start to break these things down, you
realize that like all right, like you know, people followed them,
they saw them, they had this kind of idea of
of you know, who Colorado was, who Shador was because
of that, really because of his dad.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But I kind of keep going going back to this is.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
They're talking about it because it will grab people's attention
because you know, he's recognizable and and you know, Shador's
recognizable because he's Deon's son. And so when you look
at how they're creating something to talk about on TV
this time of year when there's not much to talk about,
this stuff gets thrown in there and then someone takes
a passionate take like that where you're going, dude, this
(22:11):
is this completely unnecessary, and it just it feels like
for some reason, you know, people feel like they need
to do this and they don't. Shador has handled himself
with the exception of you know, speeding, you know, he's
handled himself exactly how you'd hoped he would and settle
the right things and done all the right things. And
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you know, even for people at issues with how he
conducted himself in Colorado, he it's not like he was
popped for doing you know, bad stuff off the field,
just because he's got a different way of showcasing his
brand and showcasing himself, especially when he has success, so
I don't feel like there's any issue there at all,
(22:51):
And it's almost like people are trying to stir up
an issue or create an issue out of nothing when
we haven't even got to a game yet.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, it's going to be one.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
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Speaker 1 (24:05):
Dang, I mean this is sports talk radio. Oh oh,
you're kind Is that Lewis Dang run DMC was before
their time?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Brad?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Did you just say that was Lewis Riddick.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I was saying like, this is like like to him,
this is like the message to him.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
That's why I asked Lorna to play the song.
Speaker 6 (24:26):
You know he's got a full time man. Yeah, there's
that old school hip hop right here. I love this song.
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from now here on FSR SO I don't know what
to do with this, because I thought that this was
just a well, you know, this just happens periodically, but
no big deal. And it feels like it gets worse
every single offseason and especially during training camp, to where
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you've got people keeping stats, people keeping score in training
camp at some of these practices, and somebody who has
had the numbers come out and they haven't looked all
that great has been Justin Fields. He started off training
camp with the toe injury, he came back, and I
guess apparently this week it's been been a little bit
(25:33):
rough for Justin Fields there. So I'm not sure what
to do with this information because none of it counts
towards what he's going to do in the preseason or
the regular season. But apparently this is just now the norm,
and this is the way this stuff is being covered.
And I always go back to this when people in
the media got pissed because you know, a few years back,
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coaches said close practice to the media, we don't want
you doing this like teams were doing that. This might
be the reason why, because now Justin Fields and others
have got to sit up there and answer questions as
to why they went, you know, nine of sixteen in
a two minute drill or whatever it was during a
training camp practice. And I don't know if this is
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just the way this is going to be now, especially
with the coverage that the NFL gets. But if it is,
you guys, tell me make something of it or not
make something of it. A guy struggling a training camp,
I thought, that's where the scene is supposed to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I don't make anything of it.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
He's in a new team, in a new system, with
an offensive coordinator in Tanner inkstrand that's that's the first
time calling plays.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So there's a lot of newness there, a lot of
first I guess you could say.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And honestly, the thing about Justin Field is one of
his most special attributes is his athleticism. That's not going
to show up during the course of training camp until
you really get to games because he's not live.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know, when he is able to take off and
run and impact defenses with his legs.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
And very similar to what LeVar said a little bit
ago about game planning for a quarterback, you know, it's
going to change the complexity of how defense is playing.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's going to change.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Everything you know in training camp, when those guys are alive,
they don't have to worry about trying to bring that
guy down.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So I look at it and say, is it concerning.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Yeah, maybe to a degree, but it's practice, Like, if
he's gonna make mistakes, you got to figure out, like
when's that gonna happen. You'd rather be in practice training
camp before actual games that matter. And if he's going
to be your guy this season, which all indications are
he's going to be the guy, then I would give
him a little bit of the benefit.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Of the doubt.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
So to me, it's an overreaction, And I just I
hate the fact that in our media there's not an
understanding of that you have to fail in order to
learn and improve and get better. And anyone who's been
to the top of the mountain or anyone who's played
at a professional level will tell you that, like, you
learn more from the experiences when you lose and you
make mistakes than you do from when you succeed, And
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so going through those mistakes and that time of learning
is helpful for you to continue to build. And so
the problem is right now they get a sneak peek
into that building process. That learning process, and they make
it sound like a negative thing and running reality, you know,
he's just trying to learn this offense. He's just trying
to develop chemistry with the guys he's throwing to. That's
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all part of the process here.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, when you look at preseason, some of the
best teams don't have very very productive preseasons. I mean,
I recall New England wasn't very good in preseason. But
you get to a regular season, you can't you can't
mess with them. So I would say preseason obviously is
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a dress rehearsal and audition for your team. If you're
a starter, if you're an established vet, it's just it's
just you, you know, going through the dress rehearsals of
preparing yourself for the regular season. If you're someone who
is a journeyman trying to make a you know, make
a roster. If you're an undrafted guy. If you're a
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drafted guy, you're you're auditioning everything you do and you
get an opportunity to put on film, you're giving yourself
more of an opportunity to say, my resume or my
body of work gives me this, this opportunity to get
this roster spot. If an injury takes place, if somebody unexpectedly,
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you know, has something take place and they're not available,
that's preseason, and so I don't I don't think that
preseason should be used to say, Okay, this guy is
one hundred percent going to be the starter. I've seen guys.
I remember one year, I forget the dude's name. It
was a running back for Washington, and I mean he
(29:53):
crushed it in preseason, like everybody loved them. They were
like on his I mean they were on his train.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Was it was it Al Morris?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It might have been Alfred Morris and he ended up
he ended up getting an opportunity to play as well.
I want to say it was Alfred Morris. He was
killing it in preseason, but it didn't actually kind of
lead up to him. It was a different guy. It
wasn't Al for Morris. It was it was a more
obscure name. The point is is that you could have
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one of the most phenomenal, most most productive preseasons that
a player would have and still find yourself having the
clear waivers. You'll end up getting a pink slip just
because it's a numbers game. Like Okay, Emmitt Smith is
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in the backfield. You put up down there one thousand
yards of rushing in the preseason, you're still going to
be looking for a job or be the backup. So
I don't I don't think that you can quantify production
or lack thereof in the preseason and make that the
correlation of if a player is going to play well
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in the regular season, or even what their their position
on the depth chart will be on the right or
if even if they're on the roster to begin with.
I just don't think that that's what what happens in
the preseason. Yeah, I'm trying to find this running back
ran for Washington. Well, it would have been like oh nine,
(31:33):
maybe two thousand and ten, maybe maybe before then, but
not a white I know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
What you're saying.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It wasn't though.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Yeah, we had a We had a wide receiver in
twenty thirteen with the Seahawks named Stephen Williams. And Stephen
was a legit deep ball threat, like I really thought,
and that's the year obviously Seattle went on to win
the Super Bowl. I really thought he was going to
play more of a factor on the roster in regards
to just the downfield a game now, mind you. You know,
(32:01):
you had guys like Jermaine Curse. He had other players
like Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, really really good you know
receivers on that roster who stepped up that year. But
I think he was averaging like over thirty yards of
catch that preseason and he had probably you know, three
touchdown receptions. And it was one of those deals like
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I was in a quarterback battle with Tavaris Jackson and
God rest his soul, by the way, and you know
the biggest difference between like our quarterback competition was he
just got to throw a couple more deep balls to
Steven Williams, like like the one time I get through it,
it's a touchdown catch that you know, a couple of
times he got through it's touchdown catches. Like he was
so good tracking the ball, you know, beating defenders downfield.
(32:46):
But to your point, it never ended up translating to
the regular season. And it was always crazy to me,
like why that was the case, only because he was
so good, you know, during his time, But you know,
that's that's how it works out.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Sometimes.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I think that year he might have bat a little
bit of injuries too, when he when he was in
the active roster. But that's that's why again you can't
look too much into a lot of what happens in
training camp in preseason. I mean again, I recall a
time when we came out and we're and you know
how you do, like you know those boots right, and
you've talked about before, LeVar, what's the acronym that you
(33:21):
guys talk about on the defensive side on like a
bootleg CBR, CBR cutback boot reverse. Yeah, so right, So
a quarterback boots and you typically have like three options.
You have a flat right, you got your flat control
on the backside, and see their tight end full back,
a tight end sliding across, could be a wide receiver
sliding underneath, going the opposite way. You know, if you're
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fake left, when you're rolling right, you've got your over
out again by a wide receiver tight ends about ten
and twelve yards, you know, could be up to fifteen
depending on the defense coming across as well. And then
the third layer of that is usually a deep comeback
at about eighteen to twenty yards depending on the system.
Now you're going to read that you know, low to high,
meaning that flat to the over to the comeback. I'm
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not gonna adjust, but there's always on the backside of
the play this deep post. And the deep post is
to hold a middlefield safety because that middlefield safety can
cut that crosser. And then sometimes you're sol and you
don't have anyone to really go to. So I remember
one time during price, Pete was like, hey, have you
ever thrown that backside post. I'm like no, and you know,
Russ looks over and the like no, They're like, we'll.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Try to throw it today. And basically he was like,
if you get time to boot and roll out, test
our defense to see if they cut the crosser, which
that defense, you know, with dan Quinn's defense cordinator would.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
He's like, throw that backside corner, excuse me, post, because
that corner is not gonna be able to cover all
that space.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, he's going to be inside that corner because he's.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Gonna be inside, and there's gonna be no one in
the middle of.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
The field because that center's I mean, that corner is
waiting for something to come back across, right, you know,
so they're going to I.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Remember, like Russ, Russ got an opportunity to, like I
never really during practice. I don't know that Tavares did either,
but it's one of those examples of if someone.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Was watching casually, they'd be like, oh my gosh, what
a plan.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Really, all we were doing was keeping the defense honest,
like we were showing them, Hey, man, if we get
out there with some time, like, we're gonna look at
that like that's not just like a run for the
love of the game route to keep the middlefield safety
off there. If you guys want to cut that crosser
and you guys just want to have that middlefield safety
and come out of the middle of the field and
take away that ten to twelve fifteen yard over out
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like we're gonna go ahead, and then replace that with
a deep post for a touchdown. And that's really what
it was about. So it's just it's interesting to me,
how again, you get so many people who've got opinions
on stats and things like this, and they don't know
even what's being said in between periods, in between practice from.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Day to day.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Roy helu that might be it talking about that might
be it.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
It'd be so much easier if he was white, if
you just said white running back that he was.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I don't know Helou had a really good preseason. That
might be it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
There's there might be another one, though, I feel like
there's another name. He freaking crushed it in preseason Ryan
Terrain Terrain. It might be terrain Ryan Terrain. That sounds
about right now. That's the name. Big Back, Big Big.
Like he ran so well in the preseason, everybody's like, oh,
(36:23):
he's a shoe in ah did he Did he even
make the roster? They might have cut him.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Well, he led the he led Washington in rushing in
twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I believe it's possible. I mean he did end up playing.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You put yourself in position to get a job. If
somebody gets injured, like, they will bring you back if
you're if you're not on somebody else's team. That's generally
you know why you want to play well. But that
does not correlate to you heading towards having an all
pro season or bus season. It does not lead to
you getting on the roster or even a starting job
(37:01):
if you play or losing it.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like, it's not what preseason is.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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us whether or not there is cause for concern for
somebody in the NFL. Ye, and that's somebody is Matthew Stafford.
(37:50):
All right, So, according to Ian Rappaport, Matthew Staffords not
taking part in training camp practices for the Rams, And
according to Ian Rappaport of the NFL, he's dealing with
an aggravated disc and has received an epidural in his
back to help him deal with it. The Rams have
called him week to week. They're being cautious, but they
(38:11):
do have plans on him to be ready for Week
one against the ten I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
You need a bachiotomy.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
Yeah, I you know, look, deuble disc issues in my back,
had surgery, tried epidurals. You know, we'll probably need a
fusion later on in life. But I'm kind of able
to push through now, like this is a band aid
onto an issue that he will most likely need surgery
on at some point, whether it be this season or
(38:37):
after he's done playing. But that's typically how it works
when you're a rotational athlete. And my guess is that
it's somewhere between the lumbar part of a spine and
the sacred part of a spine.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
So L four H five L five S one.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
You ask, any rotational athlete could be a you know,
baseball player, pitcher, hitter, golfer, football throat, you know, anything
that's that's Those are the areas that are largely going
to be impacted as a rotational athlete, and you know,
for him, it's going to impact everything. And the one
of the reasons why he's doing probably so little right now,
(39:12):
and then why they're giving him the epidurals. They want
to reduce the inflammation because he's experiencing pain. You know,
it feels like there's a string connected from his back
all the way down one of his legs. That's one
way you feel it. Or he's maybe got more symptoms
where your leg goes numb altogether. Yeah, and it feels
like your legs asleep. So hope he gets through it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Hope they can get him healthy to the season and
actually able to play games.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
That ssiatic nerve is it called sciatica or whatever, When
when your your back is jacked up so bad, it
starts to squeeze that nerve and then that's when your
whole foot and your legs starts burning and all kinds
of like you almost get like drop foot, you know, right.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I I dealt with that. I still did.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
So one thing that could help with that, though, LeVar, Yeah,
is good sleep. It starts with a good mattress.
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Speaker 6 (40:10):
Brings a tear to my e make that back feel better,
tear to my that's a radio professional right there, proud
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
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Speaker 1 (00:35):
Radio camp I camp I camp I camp Brady's got it,
got that camp I. I tell all of them, I
get that camp I, bring it up, bring it down,
camp by CAMPI, Brady's CAMPI by CAMPI to Jonas camp
(00:56):
d I make love.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
To a strip off.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yes he did.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, first you have to tip you did?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
She said, I'm not quipon quipon.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
They already they say, Loraina coming, she comes like a storm.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Huh huh.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I bet you. Lorena is a big tipper one hundred percent.
I think that this is now.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
It only takes fourteen singles, that's it.
Speaker 6 (01:22):
Heck yea, what is that?
Speaker 5 (01:25):
They still come to me?
Speaker 6 (01:27):
They still come to you, dang, you worked at a restaurant, right, yes, yeah,
if you've ever worked at a restaurant, you're a big tipper.
You just kind of know that world. Then there's something
she just said. She rolls with fourteen to a strip club.
I mean, why go.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
In there if you're only going in there with fourteen singles?
What you please tell me what the plan is with
fourteen singles?
Speaker 5 (01:50):
You find the ones, give them a man, and you
give her all fourteen of your.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Ones, like singularly, yeah, make it rain. No, you can't
make it rain with fourteen singles.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
You could if the lightings right.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
No, you cannot. What do you mean that is impossible? Well,
here's as well.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Throw Here's what Jonathan at Jonas goes and picks them
up after you throws them down.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Correct, you know he's he's breaking them up. You know
he's picking him up quick. That's that's throwing it up there,
that's the movie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Jonas throws him at his computer while he's holding the
mouse with his right hand.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
You're right, left hand, you're right, Yeah, I'm not good there. Yeah,
you just you throw them up in the air and
then as soon as they go to grab me, just go.
He's got a gun, and then you just scoop all back.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Up and you take the first stripper I fell in
love with, who got my fourteen dollars? Is also tattooed
on my Ankle's very awkward.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Would you say the first stripper you feilh like?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That may be that may be a curly hair, Oh
my god.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Anyways, that may not, that may not be the story
we want to hear.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
What do you mean her name or picture or what.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Like her image? Her likeness in a stick figure stripper?
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Yes, she.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
You were so guys, you guys extend Nazi. That wasn't
it inspired? That was y'all had a moment. Huh, y'all
had a moment, a lot of moments. Yeah, memorable moments.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
For fourteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's crazy, man, cheaper in a movie. I mean, why
couldn't you just round it off to fifteen? Like why fourteen?
What's the significance of fourteen? I'm just I'm confused.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
That was just what we decided on that night.
Speaker 6 (03:32):
All right, it's interesting, Okay, that's interesting. I had no
clue that was going to take that turn.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But yeah, that one threw me off. I ain't gonna lie.
I mean just when I thought it couldn't get any
more bizarre. Then we go to a tattoo of her
on the ankle. That's uh wow, Well okay, there you go.
Speaker 6 (03:53):
Yeah. Let mean, let's see it, right, I mean, have
you posted that on your ig for uh uh.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
No, I don't think I have posted my stick figure
your stripper. I'll show you guys in the break.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I think you need to show it to us. Now,
come on, come show it to us. Now, give a
little let's get a look at this. Let's get it
in segment view of this this stripper that you fell
in love with?
Speaker 6 (04:14):
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right now. She's hiking up get in the middle of
(04:34):
her bell bottom in between us yoga pants, and she's
trying to show us this. Oh that's tiny, I'll get please,
that looks like the Blair Witch stick. Please, that's how
you were playing Hangman and you stop midway through.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
It looks like Lee did the did the tattoo. So
I'll say you did not need a tattoo artist for
that one, Lorena, that was one. Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I don't sell that online?
Speaker 6 (05:09):
No, no, no, So Brady can see it. Yeah, no,
I'm not please.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
If that's the likeness of the stripper you fell in
love with, I'm I'm just you know, No, I don't it.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Looks straight like a witch hair.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah that's not I mean, yeah, no, I don't buy
that one. But that looks like that looks like the
new image that goes on women's bathrooms is what it
looks like women enter here. You got to be more
clear with that stuff these days. Yeah, did you see it? Q?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Did you see it? I've not seen you're not seeing it.
It's not come through.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I mean, you're not missing much. You're not you're not
missing much. That that that is a very short story. Yeah,
that's just one of the something that's just one of
the worst things to say that this is the reason
why I got it. If you're saying based off.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Of real quick, what age did you get that tattoo at?
Speaker 3 (06:10):
And how well was the tattoo artist the same.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Maybe me think?
Speaker 5 (06:13):
Okay, hold on, hold on? Was that it was at
least it was at least eight years ago?
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Good, it is at least years ago.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And it was I went to the Fits the Fritz
in Anaheim. That's this, that's the strip club I went to.
And then I got the tattoo when I went to
Vegas a few months later.
Speaker 6 (06:32):
So you were so inspired you waited months?
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Yeah, I had to design what we wanted.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
So you had to design that.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Tell me you design and.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
My friend put two different So mine's in one position
on the pole and his is in a different position
on the pole.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
But same same girl is.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Is in a different position.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
And yes, I have matching sticks figure tattoos.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Did you have a relationship with him as well? Yeah,
it's like a group thing.
Speaker 6 (07:02):
Group enough.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Hey, all right, y'all clearly was on on something because
that that stick figure.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Is not it?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
I think she's cute, the stick figure. Yes, that's why
you put it where no one can see that? Bad
boy you? Okay, all right, Well there we go. Let's
let's talk some Well, here's what we can see.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Shadoor Sanders this weekend in the NFL, all right, shad
Or Sanders getting a start for the Cleveland Browns. Everybody's
excited he'll take on the Carolina Panthers and uh, people
are really fired up about this, but people are also concerned.
Somebody that's concerned about the whole situation is one Lewis
(07:44):
Riddick of ESPN, who said this about Shudor's opportunity.
Speaker 8 (07:48):
I'm afraid he's gonna get on the field in preseason
games without a lot of practice reps, and then they're
going to ask him to perform these heroic tasks in
order to prove that he's worthy of being a starter
when he hasn't had enough reps to really get comfortable.
That's the kind of battle he's dealing with right now.
I know I've seen it. We've been in these camps.
We know how that goes. You don't get enough reps.
They play a whole half of a game, and then
(08:09):
all of a sudden, coaches are going, why are you
making that mistake? Why aren't you making that check? Well,
damn coach, I never was in there in practice. You
never even talked to me during practice, But now you
expect me to know that's what they're gonna expect of him.
But if anyone can get it done, it's this kid
because he's been trained the right way. But I'm telling
you he is ice skating uphill.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
So that is Lewis Riddick on.
Speaker 7 (08:28):
Yeah, this is such a long departure from the truth
and the reality. And what pains me about a take
like this And I heard this and I literally thought
to myself, it's a lie. Like I want everyone out
there to know that is one of the biggest lies.
It's one of the biggest reasons why people get frustrated
(08:49):
with ESPN's content is because they have people who go
on TV and they say things that literally are not true.
Let's just start off with this fact. Has it ever
changed for a rookie that he wasn't gonna get enough
reps before they go into a preseason game in the history,
in the history of the NFL draft, Like that's always
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been the case. Like when you're drafted as a rookie,
you never or very seldom, I would say, what point
zero one percent of the time, maybe you're like a
cam Ward, which even cam Ward up to a point
this offseason, who is the number one overall pick was
quote unquote battling with Will Levis. So even he wasn't
getting every single rep to prepare him for the first
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preseason game. But every single player isn't getting every single
rep to prepare them for every single scenario.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
And by the way, that's okay.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Like when you become a backup, or if Shoud or
Sanders ends up being the backup, do you think he's
gonna get every single reped in the course of the
season to prepare him for every scenario when he goes
into a game.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
No, that's like.
Speaker 7 (09:57):
Part of the job. So I would look at it
this way. One like the scenario he's playing out is
such a long departure from the truth for every single rookie,
not just Shadoor Sanders, which is what I hate about
him actually saying this on TV at anyone giving it
any credibility. The second thing is Picket's been out with
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the hamstring injury, Gabriel's been out with the hamstring injury.
Flacco has been mixing in with the reps too, They've
all kind of shared reps. So in reality of all
of the quarterback situations, just because there's a lot of
bodies there, it actually doesn't mean at all that shad
door Sanders hasn't got a fair amount of reps and
all sorts of different types of situations. The next thing
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i'd step two is it's preseason.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Everyone understands that there's going to be mistakes made. Everyone
understands there's gonna be a learning curve, there's gonna be
adjustment to the speed of the game, and there's a
lot that comes along with that. No one comes back
from a preseason game completely chewing guys out. They're trying
to teach, they're trying to get them to learn, they're
trying to see improvement from game one to Game two
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to Game.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Three, when they then will have to make a decision.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
It used to be until game four when a lot
of those rookies, young guys got to play a half
of football. You know, they got to play the two
minute drive going into halftime. They got to do the
coming out series in the third quarter, where you make adjustments,
you script off some starters to go with and try
to build momentum like that. So, like, I sit here
and I listen to this, and I go I get
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people's frustration with ESPN's content because it feels like they're
just throwing stuff out the wall to say stuff to
try to get a reaction. In reality, it's so far
from the truth. And also like talking about well he's
been Yeah, he's played a lot of college football. He's
been a start at Jacksonville State. He's obviously been a
start out called out of for a couple of years.
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He's got a lot of experience. Like he's started more games. Okay,
he started more games at this point. If you look
at college in comparison leslast five years, he started more
games than Trey Lance. He'd probably go back to his
high school days. He started more games over Anthony Richardson
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and when he started one season at Florida and a
handful of games since then Indianapolis. It's not like he
doesn't have actual starting experience, granted at the college level,
but running multiple offenses in multiple places and being successful
doing so, so like it's almost like he's building this
thing up to protect him for like whatever criticism may come.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
It's preseason. Yeah, it's ridiculous. I mean, I'll put it
this way.
Speaker 7 (12:36):
The first preseason game I ever got into, do you
want to know When I got to go into the
game fourth quarter and I was running a two minute
drill the entire time, and people were like, Oh, it's
because the hold on everything else.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
You know why I was able to execute.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
I think we went down for like two separate touchdown drives,
did two separate touchdown passes. Because I'd been there for
ots in mini camp. I didn't miss Jack Squatt and
Shador's been there for OTAs in mini camp and training
camp is just a rehearsal of the same stuff you
already had. So to sit there and say that is
an absolute lie, and he knows it. Like these coaches
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work with players, they try to build up players.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
It's entirely different.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
God of the days where you've got these organizations that
bring a guy in or spend a draft pick on them,
and they just push them the wayside. They don't talk
to them. That is such a long departure from how
any cultures build on any team anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Most guys move with camp during the first game of
the preseason year. Anyway, you're looking at the cheerleaders, you're
looking into the stands. You're trying to see what you
can see. Did anybody come to see you so you.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Can see them? So y'all can see each other. And
look at each other back and forth.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That's what preseason is really about, especially the first game,
last game. I mean, let's be clear, you're not going
I was being funny though, You're not going into a
game game planning in the first game of the year.
So to even put that type of weight on it,
I would say, this is the one time where you
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would say you want to see a rookie play really
well because it's going to be a vanilla approach to
the game. You're going in there generally with a limited
amount of plays that you're going to use, so you
don't open up the playbook as to what it is
you're going to do and what you're going to be
when you get to the regular season. Those are the
things you work on in practice, not in the game.
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So it's not even a prepared depth chart. There's no
scouting report, there's no nothing for game one in preseason,
so there's no reason to have put that. I can
understand lewis putting the pressure on it to say, Okay,
this kid is going to be measured and judged at
a different level than any other quarterback that's a rookie
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in this situation. Maybe he's right, Maybe he's wrong. It's
not a horrible assessment. But what I will say is
is to automatically say, well, he hasn't been put in
six in position to be successful. I tend to agree.
I think that is an overstated way of approaching it,
because again, for one, you're not game planning him. So
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it's not like you're going to roll coverages and disguise
coverages and do certain things to try to confuse them
and bring pressures from different spots on the field. You're
not going to show those aspects of your defense because
you don't want to put that on film. You do
not want an organization being able to take that and
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add that to their scouting report. Okay, when they do
this and they walk him down, they generally are blitzing
from here. Oh, this is a trigger blitz type of situation.
I have the back here, We're going to run an RPO.
I see this. That linebacker is triggered. You know he's triggering.
He's rushing based off of what the running back is doing.
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If you're giving offensive coordinators that type of film and
week one of the preseason, you probably won't have a
coaching job very long. So to me, you come into
this game, you have the opportunity to dink and dunk,
do do vanilla things, maybe even take a chance, you know,
maybe even take a chance and take some risk, because
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at the end of the day, if it doesn't go right,
all it is is a practice. It's a glorified practice
against another team.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
What's the downside? A week ago, the conversation was, he's
not gonna get enough opportunities. There's too many guys there.
He's fourth string, he's this, he's that. Now a week later,
because of injuries, he's getting a chance to start.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Their first preseason and you already saying stuff that that
justifies if he doesn't play well.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Wait, like this is all good.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
I don't know exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't get it.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
And that's the other thing, like, is he gonna be
more heavily scrutinized than cam Ward who's their starter going
into the season. There really is no other option. Is
he going to be more scrutinized than Tyler Shuck who
they drafted in the second round of New Orleans And
it's either between Spencer Ral, Jake Canner or Tyler Shuck. No,
because those fans are looking at and being critical of
the guys who are already going to be thrust it
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into that Week one starting role. I mean, Joe Flacco
is not gonna play at least not in this preseason game,
maybe not at all this preseason. Who knows, because it's
gonna be the start of going in to Week one.
He's number one the depth chart. Now that's not gonna change.
This is really about whether or not Shador will be
second third string depending on how this is gonna work.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
And so it's all upside.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
This entire thing is completely upside for Shaudor to go
in there and play well. So I just I sit
there and I listen to stuff like this, and I go, yeah,
I get it. I get why people are concerned with
ESPN acquiring a lot of the NFL media properties and
ESPN Red Zone and people saying like they're gonna ruin
it because they do. Like they put people on who
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have takes like this that are just factually not true.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
You know what's interesting to me, and I'll leave it
here at this that you know, Stephen A made the
ridiculous comment and assertion that that Shador Sanders was comparable
in ways to Colin Kaepernick, and I, you know, I
came out and said what I had to say about it.
I thought it was a ridiculous assertion and that it
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shouldn't be comparable. Let the young man play ball, don't
turn this into like this racial thing where he doesn't
get an opportunity. But when you have moments like these,
when the media drives the narrative home that he's been
set up and he's been put in a position where
he can't succeed, it does kind of take on that
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that feeling of he's going to be mortared is that
the right way it martyred, that they're going to put
him in a situation where nothing he does will be
him having to be accountable for it.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
And so when you.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Look at it, while you're you're correct and saying, well,
you know, the shucks and the Ward should get all
of the scrutiny, what's going to happen is is who's
ever starting for Cleveland is going to get all the
scrutiny because the scrutiny is connected to what is happening
with Shador Sanders. Because it actually grades out as a
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more interesting, more polarizing, more clickbait, more headline grabbing story
as to what is the trajectory of Shador Sanders. When
are we going to see Shador Sanders? That's gonna be
the over I can guarantee you one of the overwhelmingly
strong storylines that will be in this season will be
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what is the progress of Shador Sanders? Where is Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Now?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
All of that pressure now creates the what is Cleveland doing?
How is that starting quarterback playing? What is their record?
What's justified to say that there's now the moment in
time where you have to entertain what you're gonna do
with Shador Sanders. I do believe that will be one
of the top three top five storylines all see than long.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Have you guys heard anything about Jalen Milroe this offseason?
Speaker 3 (20:03):
No, not since since Rookie Minicie.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
You know, people were kind of hyping them up, and
now you haven't really.
Speaker 7 (20:13):
Although that being said, have you heard anything about anything
much out in Seattle?
Speaker 6 (20:17):
It's just but like like that's all the conversation is
all surrounding shad Or Sanders, And now you got people
sort of you know, laying the nest down for a
for a soft landing, just in case he struggles.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's just it's cloud chasing too right, like it's cloud.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Okay, let's let's pull back the curtain. We've worked in TV,
we know how this works. They come up with a
list of topics. I mean, you're in radio right now,
and people will sit there and say, well, what are
we going to talk about?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
What's going to grab the attention? Like I was just
out of College football NFL seminar for Fox. And one
of the things Fox does an incredible job of.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Is they do surveys.
Speaker 7 (20:54):
They take a lot of the data and research behind
how people are consuming their content, whether that's in broadcast television,
cable television, digitally. And what was most fascinating about it
is who do you think was the most recognized figure
in college football last year?
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Well coach, but oh coach yeah yeah, yeah, yeah by
far and away.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Now here's the Here's an interesting thing of the survey
they took.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
It was about sixty four percent of fans that were
college football fans could identify Dan and identify and.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
As called us head coach.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
So as you start to break these things down, you
realize that like all right, like you know, people followed them,
they saw them, they had this kind of idea of
of you know, who Colorado was, who Shador was because
of that, really because of his dad.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But I kind of keep going going back to this is.
Speaker 7 (21:49):
They're talking about it because it will grab people's attention
because you know, he's recognizable and and you know, Shador's
recognizable because he's Deon's son. And so when you look
at how they're creating something to talk about on TV
this time of year when there's not much to talk about,
this stuff gets thrown in there and then someone takes
a passionate take like that where you're going, dude, this
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is this completely unnecessary, and it just it feels like
for some reason, you know, people feel like they need
to do this and they don't. Shador has handled himself
with the exception of you know, speeding, you know, he's
handled himself exactly how you'd hoped he would and settle
the right things and done all the right things. And
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you know, even for people at issues with how he
conducted himself in Colorado, he it's not like he was
popped for doing you know, bad stuff off the field,
just because he's got a different way of showcasing his
brand and showcasing himself, especially when he has success, so
I don't feel like there's any issue there at all,
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And it's almost like people are trying to stir up
an issue or create an issue out of nothing when
we haven't even got to a game yet.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, it's going to be one.
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Dang, I mean this is sports talk radio. Oh oh,
you're kind Is that Lewis Dang run DMC was before
their time?
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Brad?
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Did you just say that was Lewis Riddick.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
No.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
I was saying like, this is like like to him,
this is like the message to him.
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That's why I asked Lorna to play the song.
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from now here on FSR SO I don't know what
to do with this, because I thought that this was
just a well, you know, this just happens periodically, but
no big deal. And it feels like it gets worse
every single offseason and especially during training camp, to where
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you've got people keeping stats, people keeping score in training
camp at some of these practices, and somebody who has
had the numbers come out and they haven't looked all
that great has been Justin Fields. He started off training
camp with the toe injury, he came back, and I
guess apparently this week it's been been a little bit
(25:33):
rough for Justin Fields there. So I'm not sure what
to do with this information because none of it counts
towards what he's going to do in the preseason or
the regular season. But apparently this is just now the norm,
and this is the way this stuff is being covered.
And I always go back to this when people in
the media got pissed because you know, a few years back,
(25:57):
coaches said close practice to the media, we don't want
you doing this like teams were doing that. This might
be the reason why, because now Justin Fields and others
have got to sit up there and answer questions as
to why they went, you know, nine of sixteen in
a two minute drill or whatever it was during a
training camp practice. And I don't know if this is
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just the way this is going to be now, especially
with the coverage that the NFL gets. But if it is,
you guys, tell me make something of it or not
make something of it. A guy struggling a training camp,
I thought, that's where the scene is supposed to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I don't make anything of it.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
He's in a new team, in a new system, with
an offensive coordinator in Tanner inkstrand that's that's the first
time calling plays.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
So there's a lot of newness there, a lot of
first I guess you could say.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
And honestly, the thing about Justin Field is one of
his most special attributes is his athleticism. That's not going
to show up during the course of training camp until
you really get to games because he's not live.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
You know, when he is able to take off and
run and impact defenses with his legs.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
And very similar to what LeVar said a little bit
ago about game planning for a quarterback, you know, it's
going to change the complexity of how defense is playing.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
It's going to change.
Speaker 7 (27:12):
Everything you know in training camp, when those guys are alive,
they don't have to worry about trying to bring that
guy down.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So I look at it and say, is it concerning.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
Yeah, maybe to a degree, but it's practice, Like, if
he's gonna make mistakes, you got to figure out, like
when's that gonna happen. You'd rather be in practice training
camp before actual games that matter. And if he's going
to be your guy this season, which all indications are
he's going to be the guy, then I would give
him a little bit of the benefit.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Of the doubt.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
So to me, it's an overreaction, And I just I
hate the fact that in our media there's not an
understanding of that you have to fail in order to
learn and improve and get better. And anyone who's been
to the top of the mountain or anyone who's played
at a professional level will tell you that, like, you
learn more from the experiences when you lose and you
make mistakes than you do from when you succeed, And
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so going through those mistakes and that time of learning
is helpful for you to continue to build. And so
the problem is right now they get a sneak peek
into that building process. That learning process, and they make
it sound like a negative thing and running reality, you know,
he's just trying to learn this offense. He's just trying
to develop chemistry with the guys he's throwing to. That's
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all part of the process here.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I mean, when you look at preseason, some of the
best teams don't have very very productive preseasons. I mean,
I recall New England wasn't very good in preseason. But
you get to a regular season, you can't you can't
mess with them. So I would say preseason obviously is
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a dress rehearsal and audition for your team. If you're
a starter, if you're an established vet, it's just it's
just you, you know, going through the dress rehearsals of
preparing yourself for the regular season. If you're someone who
is a journeyman trying to make a you know, make
a roster. If you're an undrafted guy. If you're a
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drafted guy, you're you're auditioning everything you do and you
get an opportunity to put on film, you're giving yourself
more of an opportunity to say, my resume or my
body of work gives me this, this opportunity to get
this roster spot. If an injury takes place, if somebody unexpectedly,
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you know, has something take place and they're not available,
that's preseason, and so I don't I don't think that
preseason should be used to say, Okay, this guy is
one hundred percent going to be the starter. I've seen guys.
I remember one year, I forget the dude's name. It
was a running back for Washington, and I mean he
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crushed it in preseason, like everybody loved them. They were
like on his I mean they were on his train.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Was it was it Al Morris?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It might have been Alfred Morris and he ended up
he ended up getting an opportunity to play as well.
I want to say it was Alfred Morris. He was
killing it in preseason, but it didn't actually kind of
lead up to him. It was a different guy. It
wasn't Al for Morris. It was it was a more
obscure name. The point is is that you could have
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one of the most phenomenal, most most productive preseasons that
a player would have and still find yourself having the
clear waivers. You'll end up getting a pink slip just
because it's a numbers game. Like Okay, Emmitt Smith is
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in the backfield. You put up down there one thousand
yards of rushing in the preseason, you're still going to
be looking for a job or be the backup. So
I don't I don't think that you can quantify production
or lack thereof in the preseason and make that the
correlation of if a player is going to play well
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in the regular season, or even what their their position
on the depth chart will be on the right or
if even if they're on the roster to begin with.
I just don't think that that's what what happens in
the preseason. Yeah, I'm trying to find this running back
ran for Washington. Well, it would have been like oh nine,
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maybe two thousand and ten, maybe maybe before then, but
not a white I know.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
What you're saying.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
It wasn't though.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Yeah, we had a We had a wide receiver in
twenty thirteen with the Seahawks named Stephen Williams. And Stephen
was a legit deep ball threat, like I really thought,
and that's the year obviously Seattle went on to win
the Super Bowl. I really thought he was going to
play more of a factor on the roster in regards
to just the downfield a game now, mind you. You know,
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you had guys like Jermaine Curse. He had other players
like Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, really really good you know
receivers on that roster who stepped up that year. But
I think he was averaging like over thirty yards of
catch that preseason and he had probably you know, three
touchdown receptions. And it was one of those deals like
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I was in a quarterback battle with Tavaris Jackson and
God rest his soul, by the way, and you know
the biggest difference between like our quarterback competition was he
just got to throw a couple more deep balls to
Steven Williams, like like the one time I get through it,
it's a touchdown catch that you know, a couple of
times he got through it's touchdown catches. Like he was
so good tracking the ball, you know, beating defenders downfield.
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But to your point, it never ended up translating to
the regular season. And it was always crazy to me,
like why that was the case, only because he was
so good, you know, during his time, But you know,
that's that's how it works out.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Sometimes.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
I think that year he might have bat a little
bit of injuries too, when he when he was in
the active roster. But that's that's why again you can't
look too much into a lot of what happens in
training camp in preseason. I mean again, I recall a
time when we came out and we're and you know
how you do, like you know those boots right, and
you've talked about before, LeVar, what's the acronym that you
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guys talk about on the defensive side on like a
bootleg CBR, CBR cutback boot reverse. Yeah, so right, So
a quarterback boots and you typically have like three options.
You have a flat right, you got your flat control
on the backside, and see their tight end full back,
a tight end sliding across, could be a wide receiver
sliding underneath, going the opposite way. You know, if you're
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fake left, when you're rolling right, you've got your over
out again by a wide receiver tight ends about ten
and twelve yards, you know, could be up to fifteen
depending on the defense coming across as well. And then
the third layer of that is usually a deep comeback
at about eighteen to twenty yards depending on the system.
Now you're going to read that you know, low to high,
meaning that flat to the over to the comeback. I'm
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not gonna adjust, but there's always on the backside of
the play this deep post. And the deep post is
to hold a middlefield safety because that middlefield safety can
cut that crosser. And then sometimes you're sol and you
don't have anyone to really go to. So I remember
one time during price, Pete was like, hey, have you
ever thrown that backside post. I'm like no, and you know,
Russ looks over and the like no, They're like, we'll.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Try to throw it today. And basically he was like,
if you get time to boot and roll out, test
our defense to see if they cut the crosser, which
that defense, you know, with dan Quinn's defense cordinator would.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
He's like, throw that backside corner, excuse me, post, because
that corner is not gonna be able to cover all
that space.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, he's going to be inside that corner because he's.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Gonna be inside, and there's gonna be no one in
the middle of.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
The field because that center's I mean, that corner is
waiting for something to come back across, right, you know,
so they're going to I.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Remember, like Russ, Russ got an opportunity to, like I
never really during practice. I don't know that Tavares did either,
but it's one of those examples of if someone.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
Was watching casually, they'd be like, oh my gosh, what
a plan.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
Really, all we were doing was keeping the defense honest,
like we were showing them, Hey, man, if we get
out there with some time, like, we're gonna look at
that like that's not just like a run for the
love of the game route to keep the middlefield safety
off there. If you guys want to cut that crosser
and you guys just want to have that middlefield safety
and come out of the middle of the field and
take away that ten to twelve fifteen yard over out
(35:28):
like we're gonna go ahead, and then replace that with
a deep post for a touchdown. And that's really what
it was about. So it's just it's interesting to me,
how again, you get so many people who've got opinions
on stats and things like this, and they don't know
even what's being said in between periods, in between practice from.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Day to day.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Roy helu that might be it talking about that might
be it.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
It'd be so much easier if he was white, if
you just said white running back that he was.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
I don't know Helou had a really good preseason. That
might be it.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
There's there might be another one, though, I feel like
there's another name. He freaking crushed it in preseason Ryan
Terrain Terrain. It might be terrain Ryan Terrain. That sounds
about right now. That's the name. Big Back, Big Big.
Like he ran so well in the preseason, everybody's like, oh,
(36:23):
he's a shoe in ah did he Did he even
make the roster? They might have cut him.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Well, he led the he led Washington in rushing in
twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
I believe it's possible. I mean he did end up playing.
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
You put yourself in position to get a job. If
somebody gets injured, like, they will bring you back if
you're if you're not on somebody else's team. That's generally
you know why you want to play well. But that
does not correlate to you heading towards having an all
pro season or bus season. It does not lead to
you getting on the roster or even a starting job
(37:01):
if you play or losing it.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Like, it's not what preseason is.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
Yeah, it is two pros and a cup of Joe.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Brady Quinn Jonas
Knox with you. Coming up next though, we are going
to tell you about whether or not there's cause for
concern with this other quarterback. We're talking about a Super
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cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Brady Quinn
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(37:26):
hour a little over ten minutes from now, Big night
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ten minutes from now we'll explain why here on FSR. See,
you guys are going to be trusted here to tell
us whether or not there is cause for concern for
somebody in the NFL. Ye, and that's somebody is Matthew Stafford.
(37:50):
All right, So, according to Ian Rappaport, Matthew Staffords not
taking part in training camp practices for the Rams, And
according to Ian Rappaport of the NFL, he's dealing with
an aggravated disc and has received an epidural in his
back to help him deal with it. The Rams have
called him week to week. They're being cautious, but they
(38:11):
do have plans on him to be ready for Week
one against the ten I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
You need a bachiotomy.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
Yeah, I you know, look, deuble disc issues in my back,
had surgery, tried epidurals. You know, we'll probably need a
fusion later on in life. But I'm kind of able
to push through now, like this is a band aid
onto an issue that he will most likely need surgery
on at some point, whether it be this season or
(38:37):
after he's done playing. But that's typically how it works
when you're a rotational athlete. And my guess is that
it's somewhere between the lumbar part of a spine and
the sacred part of a spine.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
So L four H five L five S one.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
You ask, any rotational athlete could be a you know,
baseball player, pitcher, hitter, golfer, football throat, you know, anything
that's that's Those are the areas that are largely going
to be impacted as a rotational athlete, and you know,
for him, it's going to impact everything. And the one
of the reasons why he's doing probably so little right now,
(39:12):
and then why they're giving him the epidurals. They want
to reduce the inflammation because he's experiencing pain. You know,
it feels like there's a string connected from his back
all the way down one of his legs. That's one
way you feel it. Or he's maybe got more symptoms
where your leg goes numb altogether. Yeah, and it feels
like your legs asleep. So hope he gets through it.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Hope they can get him healthy to the season and
actually able to play games.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
That ssiatic nerve is it called sciatica or whatever, When
when your your back is jacked up so bad, it
starts to squeeze that nerve and then that's when your
whole foot and your legs starts burning and all kinds
of like you almost get like drop foot, you know, right.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
I I dealt with that. I still did.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
So one thing that could help with that, though, LeVar, Yeah,
is good sleep. It starts with a good mattress.
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Speaker 6 (40:10):
Brings a tear to my e make that back feel better,
tear to my that's a radio professional right there, proud
of you man,
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