August 18, 2025 • 41 mins
As the season approaches, the Bengals and Trey Hendrickson seem destined to part ways. Shedeur Sanders and Dillon Gabriel both look good in their 2nd preseason game. Plus, a look ahead to the FSR IR.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get this, punnies, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I got a new one coming. It's coming, but I
had to let this ride a few more times.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You know, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tell all of them, raak it up, break it down.
You gotta bag it up, mess it up, bag it up,
strap it up, rak it up.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I trap it up.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Got strap it Oh, back it out, give it up.
Lead to strap, Lee, take a lot, lead the strap.
You got issues? No, I don't you got I mean
not as bad as Lee's, but you definitely got issues.
Oh my god, Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Congratulations to everybody involved. They have somehow, some way kept
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the Trey hendricks Trey Hendrickson drama and saga going for
you at another turn, because on Sunday it was reported
that now we're talking trade scenario. Cincinnati is listening to
trade offers for Trey Hendrickson as contract talks are at
an impasse, according to NFL network insiders Ian Rappaport and
(02:10):
Tom Pellasero. Rap report added that any deal to get
Hendrickson away from Cincinnati will be expensive, likely requiring a
young player and a future draft pick. So apparently they've
made no sort of progress on contract talks, and now
with the season fast approaching, Trey Hendronson could potentially.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Be dealt before the year starts. Yeah, and why would
they make any progress? Why would anything change? Well, why
would anything change from where's but just because he showed
back up? I mean clearly the Bengals don't want to
pay him what he wants, and I would assume there's
been teams that have called previously to trade for him,
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when the timing would have made a little bit more sense.
You had more time to get traded, learn the system,
get involved him. He still has time, but this is
not ideal, and it feels like they really have come
to an in passy where it's like, all right, let's
just go our separate ways. There's nothing wrong with that,
I mean, but I think the hard part is not
only is the asking price for the trade gonna be expensive,
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it's gonna cost him not just draft capital, but actual
capital because they know he wants a new deal. So
I'm not sure how long this thing plays out, because
Cincinnati's either gonna have to you know, move forward and
try to you know, force him to come play for
them under this contract and then see if he's willing
to actually you know, hold out miss games, or they're
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gonna have to take a lesser offer. But I think
the long term, the long term view of this situation,
it can't be like, hey, at the end of the season,
you know, we'll be able to figure something out or
get through it like Cincinnati's on the cusp. I think
of trying to, you know, be one of those teams
that makes a playoff run. And it's like figure it out,
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like figure out in some fashion or form, either the trade,
the trade price, a contract extension that short term that
he would be willing to actually accept. Maybe you just
kicked the can down the road for another year and
just make him happy to get him back there to play.
Whatever the case is, this is exhausting, Like I think,
I mean, I'm tired of talking about it. I think
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Bengals fans are tired of talking about it. It was
the what was the situation last year? Was it Rogers
last year? We talked about forever?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, uh, I'll say this. I think you're You're right.
I'm getting to the point now where my mind has
totally shifted into thinking it's play under your contract. And
and that's what Jerry Jones is pretty much alluding to
as well. We could add Micah into the scenario, and
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here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting. And I had to
take a step back and try to make sense of
this in a way where why do you make this
type of stance? And I started thinking thinking to myself,
who set the precedent's presidents on on giving these contracts?
Who started it off Cleveland? Right, And it's like, dang,
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Cleveland did it already with DeShawn, but now they came
back and doubled down and did it with Miles Garrett. Well,
if you think about it outside of Deshaun, Deshaun Watson
coming in and potentially being the guy who's the face
of your franchise, undoubtedly, no arguing even though you gotch
ther door some way, somehow, maybe I don't. Miles Garrett
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is the face of the Cleveland Browns. He gets his
guaranteed contract, he gets the he gets the number. Then
you think about the next guy that gets their number,
and it comes into play. Who's the face of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. I think it's undoubtedly TJ.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Undoubtedly TJ Watt. Who are you gonna who?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Who are we gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Argue against t J wats being the face of the
franchise as well as taking his production. I think what's
working against Hendrickson and Micah Parsons Because as much as
I love Micah, I just got to say when I
kind of rewind and run back what Jerry has been
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saying in the media and the comparisons with Daz Bryant
or with Ceedee Lamb and oh well, the roars and
the cheers were louder last year for it, da da da.
I don't think for certain and Hendrickson's situation, he's not
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even the number three, Maybe he's number three, biggest face,
biggest name or player on the Bengals team. What you
gotta go obviously Burrow and then you go Jamar Chase.
And I mean you could decide if it's between Hendrickson
and Higgins for third place, fourth place. But if you
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look at the Dallas Cowboys, while some may say it
is Michael Parsons, I don't think anyone would debate that
Dak Prescott is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, and then you have a.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Debate between CD Lamb and Michael Parsons. I think the
value proposition here with Hendrickson and Parsons, if I'm just
being taken my feelings and my emotions out of what
I feel for Michael Parsons, I really think the issue
here is Jerry Jones truly believes that Michael Parsons needs
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to play out his contract, and I don't unless there
is some crazy ass circumstances that get involved with this.
I really believe he's willing to stand on that because
what's taking place in Cleveland is really something that I
think the owners have a problem with, and they're not
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going to fall victim to what could be perceived as
awarding these types of contracts to a guy that isn't
even the undisputed face of their franchise. And I think
that it's a hard thing to swallow, but could be true.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
If we're doing it based on Jersey sales. To your point,
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins at number three for
Jersey sales, and then I think Chamorris Stewart their first round.
Hendricks No, but it's gonna be close. But somewhere in
that in that order.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, remember we were having the conversation, was it
last year that we were talking about they've got Jamar,
Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson to try.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And get deals done, And it was.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, if you got to pick two of the three,
who are you going to pay and it and they
already paid them, They've already paid them.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They chose, they've already paid.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, I don't know that that necessarily means that
they can't come up with some sort of way to
pay Trey Hendrickson, but it's almost it feels like they
prioritize getting those guys done, and then Trey Hendrickson was like, well,
we'll get to him and we'll.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Deal with that want.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And people say that Jerry Jones really only opens up
the bank for offensive players, right, I mean, what Deon Sanders?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Who else has he really like broke the bank? The
Marcus the Market's ware, Lawrence the mark is whaere right?
I mean he paid Lawrence, but I mean he didn't
make him like the highest paid in the in the league.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Did a good deal. It was a great deal. I
want to say he was pretty close when he did it. Yeah,
I'm sure it was a great deal.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But you're we're talking Michael Parsons is probably seeking more
than DJ Watt.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no doubt. I mean, honestly, here's
the thing, and this is where I think you come
to a crossroads for Hendrickson is if you're an agent
or you're Trey Hendrickson, you're saying to the team, what
else do you want from me, like, I've given you
all the production that you could ask for the past
two years, and we talked about this because you kind
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of threw on another year on the deal to help
make me happy, but we knew there wanted to be
something more long term. And the Bengals are obviously looking
at his age. They're looking at the fact that even
with the production he had in sacks and pressures, it
still didn't equate to their defense being able to hold
their own. And they've got a new defensive coordinator they
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moved on from lou and Romo, so there's probably a
thought in their mind of, yeah, that was unbelievable, really
appreciative of what you did, but you're under contract and
even with all your production, it did intended any thing
for the bottom line of our team. We feel like
the best thing for our team is to provide Joe
Burrow with all these targets around him and allow us
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to win games in a shootout. I mean that's I mean,
I go back to even just Al Golden, the defensive
coordinator brought in from Notre Dame. It's so much more
of a blitz heavy scheme and and don't misconstrue it
like talents. Talent. You want to have your best players
out there if you can, but if you don't, you know,
you can scheme some things up to overload protections, to
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put a bunch of dbs on the field, and confuse
the offensive line and infuse the quarterback and find ways
of getting free runners. You can do that. He does that.
He did that a lot of Notre Dame, where they'd
be coming from all over the field. So there might
be a thought to it as well that they gonna
change a lot of things up on defense because of
what was there wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,
but not for the team and their success. I think
that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a player,
you're sitting there saying, go, look at the tape. I've
done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,
and you're gonna hold against because what my age? What
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else is there? What else is there?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's
not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of
their draft picks. So not only are you older, but
you're not even really one of us like you've been productive,
and I get it, But if you were one of us,
I mean, is it playing out this way? You know
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who knows at your age, It's like, if we can
use you, we will, and we value you at the
contract we've given you. But to come back and give
you a contract that's as large and as rich as
the ones that you're seeing out there that you're comparing
yourself to, it's not worth the squeeze. And I think
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that that's where we're getting to. I didn't think that
that was where it would belong. I did not believe
that this is where it would get to. And again
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep putting them in the same box,
even though Michael Parsons is a top draft pick for
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Feel as though where we're at now, for them to
have drug it out this fall are and be this
close to the regular season, they might really be standing
on the fact that you gotta play this contract year,
you're under contract and you're going to play.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
The reputation of the organizations sticks with me because I
look at micah situation, I go, well, they're gonna get
it done, Like this is just just what they do,
and with the Bengals, I'm like, yeah, probably not gonna
get it done.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's just what they do. Well, we talked about it
last year. I think there's a lot of Cincinnati Bengals
fans and people there who got offended. They get upset
when you tell them what the truth is. It's not
an organization that spends a lot of cash. They're just not.
You're in the bottom half of the league this year,
You're in the bottom half of the league next year. Like,
I'm sorry, that's how the organization is run. And it's
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been able to have moments of success despite all of that.
You made a Super Bowl despite all of that. And
you'll hear people who come on here and they come
on usually on Tuesdays, and they'll defend a lot of
people in the front office because they're nice to them
in the media. But the truth of the matter is they
are a cheap organization. I got boys who played for them.
They'll be the first to tell you. They'd be the
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first to tell you. Now, that doesn't mean that there's
not good parts of it or the people there are great.
They don't spend so yeah, you know, to the point
of when you compare Cleveland, for example, to Cincinnati, and
obviously two teams are completely different positions. The one thing
you can give Jimmy has them credit for it's not
for lack of trying. He's trying and if you look
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at for example, I'm gonna go off on a tangent,
but hang with me. You know, I lived in South
Florida and I watched the Florida Panthers for a number
of years before they've gone on this recent run where
obviously they've won what now back to back Stanley Cup
champions they've gone to three in a row, whatever it's been.
You know, Vin Viola of their owner, when he took over,
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he dumped money into that organization still to this day.
I mean, it takes a lot of success and pro
sport worts to make, especially in certain sports, to make
the teams profitable. It really does. It takes a lot
of money and I'd say a lot of luck and
being able to win some games. You get to the
point where like you get everyone's showing up every single
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night during the course of the regular season, and then
once you get in the playoffs, because look, you know,
if you make the playoffs, people are gonna show up.
It's about being good enough where people know what they
can expect during the course of the regular season, night
and night out. So when they do have a few
extra bucks and they buy a ticket or they do,
you know, get off work, they're saying, Hey, I want
to go see a hockey game, and I want to
see my team get blasts that are blown. I want
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to see a good competitive, fun environment all those things.
So look, they've created an incredible culture and all that stuff,
but they threw a ton of money at it too,
and that's where kind of you look at Jimmy HAUSLM
for example, he's want the Browns. I mean, they're gonna
build a new stadium. They're trying to, you know, bring
in guys who at least they thought he was their
franchise quarterback. Obviously not. They're paying the face of their
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franchise right now, Miles Garrett, as they should. But like
it's not for lack of trying. It just you know,
hasn't really all come together quite yet for them, and
they're still looking for that one piece of quarterback, which
we'll get to. But for Cincinnati, you have that guy,
Like if there was ever a time where you're trying
to load up and say this is the window, man, Like,
this is the window. We've got the guy, let's load up.
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Let's keep bringing these guys back. It's now and again
we don't know the specifics of the negotiation, but you're
twenty first in the league and total cash spent this year.
You want to know how you be able to make
it work within the cap. You give them cash, big
signing bonus. Every player loves that. Levard you love that.
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When you get your signing bonus, it hits your account.
You're like, hell, yeah, but let's go now. Yeah. And
by the way, next year, twenty second in the league,
scot in cash damn yeah yeah, even in radio. Yeah.
But you get my points, Like, like, I hate how
Cincinnati fans get upset by this. Why do they get pissed? Yeah,
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I don't. It's because it's a pride thing, man. I
mean you have to understand, like, you know, people in
certain parts of the country are very prideful about where
they're from, and as they should be, you know, I mean,
in all seriousness, I mean, one of the things I've
noticed the most when you when you work for covenants
based in LA and when you've lived for a significant
period of time on the East Coast. You realize there's
a lot of people in the middle of the country.
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It feels like they're overlooked and and and this is
an example of that. And sometimes how it shows showcase
itself is through their fandom and sports teams, because that
sports team represents them. It represents where they're from.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That's what it's always been supposed to be, represent where
you're from. Like all this decentralizing of fans, but I
will say this, Midwest fan bases are generally.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Super and especially.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Ohio and Pittsburgh, those type areas of Philadelphia. Their fans
are centralized, and they are intense, to say the least.
They are in tense, like in the colder weather, you know,
the the you know industries where you're coal mining or
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steel mills, you know those type of industries. Real real
blue collar, hard hat lunch pails, cities markets, Baltimore. You know,
they're like that. They are very very passionate about their teams,
and they don't play about it, even for right or
for wrong. They don't play about it. So good for them,
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but it just happens to be a little bit misled,
you knows. Misguided on this one.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I would think they'd be proud of the fact that
they are cheap asses and still have somehow figured out
a way to get to.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Super Bowls and not win it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I mean, hey, but you know what, there's a lot
of teams who have spent money and then can close.
Jerry Jones has spent a ton of money and has
not been doing a conference championship game in thirty years.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Dan Snyder spent more money than anybody and didn't come close.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You can't outspend this.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, bang for your Maybe the Bengals are onto something,
you know, bang for your buck.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Hey, you ain't gonna win it anyway. See, you're you're
converting right now into a Bengals fan.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Knowing I'm trying to find the positives here for Bengals
fans who get very worked up about this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Maybe Lee should be a Bengals fan. He's always looking
for a bargain. Lee is banged up, is what. He's
a bank I can tell you. Do you want to
know what? For people listening? Uh? One of the highlights
of the show thus far, in the middle of logged
out of our zoom because Lee won't actually pay for
a subscription, the.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Wrong one right on the screen, right on the screen.
It just says, you're free. This is our show, Like
what this happened on any other time slot? This is
where it happens, Like you know what that happened.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
If you want to hear the most outrageous craziness of
how a show is being rand, name another spat with
a line up where this ass happens.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
The joint timed out. It timed out, like, yeah, it was.
It was on my personal I thought I thought we
were doing Streamyard. What happened to Streamyard? I'm on stream
Yard right now. It's uh, it's but it's also blacked out.
I don't know what's going on with stream Yard. You
are blast out, take a lap? Maybe the computers off
(20:33):
take a lap, lead you some sort of cheap free
version of emails too, I feel like all your emails
coming to be delayed. I agree on that one too.
I agree on that one too.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Dude, here, let me let me try this.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What what are you going to try? Well, it's you
just send it to lead the lap at prestige liquor.
You're gonna give. That's that's the one. I I don't
know if you got a.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Different one there, but Jonas is the only one that
had strong communication lines with to defend himself.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Do you take yourself seriously sometimes with the conversations we have, No,
I actually throw myself under the bus more than I should.
I don't stand up for myself and I should.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So what he's basically saying is he should have defended
himself against me this morning.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I feel like I'm pretty accurate. I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I don't feel like there's no defending necessary. Just you know,
I feel like there's a lot of accuracy to today. Well,
I mean, I mean, I would have liked to came
in cool. To be honest, I did have a Celsius
and my energy level was on high. Celius, bro I
came in this joint. Oh wait, I'm still away just.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like hey man. Yeah, I could walk to that that
I was ready to be happy with him, and then
I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
To like, you know, then then out of nowhere, I'm
trying like what was that in my email?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And I don't see anything. I'm a free trial ended. Yeah, well,
maybe you tried to peg him with you know whoa whoa?
You know whoa or something? You know whoa too many titles,
too many adult titles going on in this show right now.
I don't see Brady, Buddy. I'm in streamy in the
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waiting room. You're controlling as you have to let me in, dude.
By the way, I think it's it's a free one,
So alright, man, and we'll move off.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I came in. All I was trying to do is
get ready for a show. All this criticism we're giving
the Bengals organization and we're doing free zoom trials to
our show. We are the Bengals, we are We are
the Cincinnati Bangles of this network.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Our show, our show. Don't get that to the whole network.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I just was watching Tam Patrick's booty cheeks on television yesterday.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He's doing pretty well for him, So what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I was watching adults or whatever, grown ups, grown ups,
two grown ups. One when he was the gym teacher. Yeah,
he's dad is funny as all too. By the way,
he's a pretty funny dude. He was hitting him with
with the killer butt cheek. Looked like he had a
bb al.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Damn. By the way, two pros.
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
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that'll be yours here get a little over fifteen minutes
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from now, Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and
detailed when he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for
Week one this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Here was the Browns head coach.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I want to get through the next couple of days,
but certainly that's something that we're gonna do here, sooner
or later. I need to get the football team in here,
talk to the players, those type of things. So we're
working towards obviously Week one, you know, that's part of
what this week is about getting our football team ready.
So we'll make all tho those type of determinations in
the next.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Couple of days. So I'm gonna go out on a
limb here.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco, all right, So
that's gonna be my prediction.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I don't know if you guys have knocks blocks. I mean,
I'm gonna second that. I think it's gonna be Joe
Flacco as a starting quarterback wins when what Yeah, while
we go back to that well, now we have options, right.
That's the worst one though. That's why we have options,
because we hated that one.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, I don't really like envision Q is Mario, you know,
I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I
just don't see you as being short, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, he was taller too skinny though you're jacked, he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Uh yeah he's not. He wasn't. Now we're done. That
one's way better. Lee might like that one the best. Lee.
Oh wow, what wow?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday,
brooking snakes.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,
exactly the same thing I'm wearing now. Yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure. Hey, Lee, where'd you see? What that not? Again?
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great sleep you Deserve. Is a mattress firm. During the
best sale of the year, they make sleep easily. It's
very good at cue. That was very well done, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over the.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Weekend and he looked, good man. He's a competitor. Yeah, well, okay,
here we go. Did anyone take offense to that or
take that a certain way?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I don't care. I could care less. I just saw
it making its rounds.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah. He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And you know what, the first thing I thought about
when I saw that or heard the sound bite was
if you recall there was a guy by the name
of Dan Lanning that wasn't into social media and acting
and all that stuff. It's about playing football. Now, I
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don't know, fighting for clicks, for fighting for wins. I
don't know if that was that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team,
I don't believe. But obviously I think that there is
the connection to Dan Landing in Oregon and what that
messaging was. So now it's interesting, if some way, somehow,
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because it does appear that Shador has no problem addressing
his critics or anybody that has something to say about him.
It doesn't seem like he has any issues with it.
I wonder if they had a conversation about that, the.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I'm a competitor.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,
he took a shot at shad Or Sanders. It's just
exactly what people are trying to turn this into. It's
now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shud Or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's because you know why it's turning into that, because
that's what people are thinking.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I mean, let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
People are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and
so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's
that's him adding on to it. But it's already like
that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I like the fact that they ask about it after
the game, and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking
about Shador, but made it a point to tell the
media there in attendance, No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor,
which I don't know that. I fully agree with that because.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, the the media industry is very competitive. Yeah,
but we're competing and and get I get what.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
He's saying though, like we're here for entertainment, right, Like
that's ultimately what it's about.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, I mean, well that is true. I mean now
that you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know, sports,
sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's
some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries
or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,
I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions
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on different things that are taking place. I mean, I
get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,
at least I know I am. You know, I'm not
trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,
I did play the game too, so I don't have
a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a
competitor in my life as well.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So do you think people are going to go after
Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are
going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think it will suck if because the only people
that are really going to go after him that it
really matters is within the market, Like the fan base
may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that. Depending on
how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said
it from the jump, the minute they drave to Shador Sanders,
(31:01):
whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal
with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he
brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.
And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer
to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball
in that first game, he made some throws that I
(31:23):
didn't I mean, I didn't realize he could throw the
ball that well. I mean, I knew he could play,
but I just didn't know he was hitting tight windows
like he was doing in that game. He can play football,
But I do believe that his stardom his start, and
he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom
(31:45):
was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,
and you're seeing that in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts
about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcasing that
first game was his ability to kind of move around
and showcase his athleticism that like he can be a
running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you with
his legs, because you know he was very hesitant to
do it at the college level. But to your point,
I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going
(32:16):
to be tied to each other because they're drafted in
the same year and there's only one guy who starts,
and so whether or not they want to describe it
as a competition or however you want to go about
doing it, it's just it is what it is. It's
really hard to, you know, have those sorts of feelings
where you can you things can be friendly when you
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guys are both fighting for a job, whether that's the
starting job, a backup, hell, it could be a roster spot.
You know you were you were in competition with one another,
and you know, how Dylan Gabriel operates and how Shoud
or Santo's operate are completely different. But in regards to
what we saw in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel
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did everything he needs to do to continue to be
in that conversation for either the backup because I think
Flacco is the starter. We've you know, addressed that or
make a roster spot. He was on time, on point,
He was very accurate. You know. The interception was such
a fluke, weird play off a boot. I mean, there's
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a lot of things that went wrong. You know, obviously
he just needs to throw it away at that point
and he'll learn that. You know, it's preseason, so it's
a good learning lesson. I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin
Stefansk are telling him that. But it doesn't help when
your flat control bleeds up the field, it allows a
defender to undercut it. It doesn't help that the overall
like everything was kind of collapsing all into one big
(33:40):
team meeting. So you know, chalk it up as a
learning lesson and as a mistake. But it wasn't just
on him. You know, you just ultimately are the ones
that that's created on it because you have the football.
So everyone seems to blame you in the end, where really,
if there's a little more separation, maybe there's a window,
maybe there's someone else you can make a play on
the football, or at worse, it's it's a complete but
(34:00):
I digress. I think you know, it's not so much
the intrigu about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks
can be week one, it's who the quarterback is, you know,
Week seventeen, And is that game even a meaningful game
for the Browns with whoever is that starting quarterback?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
For him?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment factor
that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they
showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through
that pick one of the first camera shots they.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Went, They can't. I cannot out and I'll take it
a step further. I'll take it a step further. Tell
I'll take it a step further. Joe Flatco will not
be able to outplay the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders
brings to the table.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So here's the thing. If Chador does what we saw
him do in the first preseason game, if he plays
that way, because it wasn't that long ago that the
Browns drafted Johnny Manzel and people were saying the exact
same thing you're saying right now. And the problem is
when the play doesn't come with it, then it's like, okay,
now it's just a circus. So that's the problem is,
(35:11):
you know, it looks all good when you walk out
in a fight and you got the you know, a
whole crew and the whole you know, parade coming out
with you. But that's when you win. When you don't win,
then it's like it turns against you. So again, all
that stuff right now doesn't matter. It only was gonna
matter if he doesn't play well, which again I think
he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking about a coach
(35:34):
he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards, who knows
how to put his quarterbacks in a position to succeed.
And this is a talented roster around them. I mean,
Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal training camp preseason.
So far, like they've got young kats, a wide receiver
who stepped up, who have looked the part. So it's
gonna be really interesting. I just I think that it
sounds all all good. But it's not that long ago
(35:56):
that we kind of saw the entertainment value of Johnny
Manzel and the clamoring for Johnny Manziel and then that
quickly faded by the wayside.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm going to totally take a different take on that
because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,
was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in
Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I
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believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be
a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly
and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think
he will always because he has so much built up
(36:45):
in terms of what his family name, what his dad
has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people
have related Shador Sanders to, and being connected to his dad.
I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done
such an excellent job of building out the identity of
(37:09):
Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built
out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't
even come close to Johnny Manziel, doesn't even come close
because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's Champion,
(37:30):
he did it the way he wanted to do it,
and the money and this that and the other, his
controversial type of ways and the way people were very
split and divided in terms of how they felt about
Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think
there he has grabbed a very captive audience and a
(37:51):
very very specific demo that they're not going to go
for Schador.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know what it is, Well, here's here's the one
thing I got sand rebuttal to that is yeah, I know,
I know. As soon as I saw him they're showing
him walking out for that first preseason game, I had
people text me to go, here we go again, like
for everything you just said and how sympathetic with the
draft and all that stuff. As soon as it was
(38:19):
like the kind of circus coming into the game, there
are people who already started to get the side eye
to it. We're like, you already lost them. Like if
there was sympathetic, they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.
There are people who are like, all right, right back
to kind of the whole circus and everything else off
the show. So again, none of it matters. None of
it matters. If he plays well, they win. That's that's
that's all that matters. Right at the end of the day,
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that's all that I don't know that he's going to play.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I think that the way it plays out, his public
opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all
over their neck, which plays in his his favor, because
he's not going to be in a situation where he's
lowering his value that way, you know what I mean,
He's going to be watching.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
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to bump the fsr IR to top of next hour?
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I mean, the whole show has been an FSR IR.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
What do you get back? What do you mean back?
Get that anything for? Take a lap? I don't know
what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I mean, I thought it was distract I mean, he's
taking on a few different names this morning.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean I just was.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I just don't understand how it took this loan to
tell that story like that is wild.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Just you know, the couch surfing and the friendly couple
just jogged like all those years, all these years later,
Oh my god, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish you uh,
I wish you guys could have been there for that tale.
I don't know, I think it's better just hearing it
the way I heard it, I guess, or maybe not
(40:42):
at all. Ever, Yeah, that was that was definitely something
that took place. So so yeah, maybe we'll uh we'll
throw this, throw this up top of next hour.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
We'll do the f s R I R lee good
with that, good with the adjusted on the fly for that,
you know me I'm good with anything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, well said that. That is correct, That is definitely correct.
But Lee and also Lee's very excited about the lineup
on one of the local news channels today, very excited.
It's a Lee's team all the way here.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yep, that's about right,
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
I got a new one coming. It's coming, but I
had to let this ride a few more times.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
You know, I mean, I.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tell all of them, raak it up, break it down.
You gotta bag it up, mess it up, bag it up,
strap it up, rak it up.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I trap it up.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Got strap it Oh, back it out, give it up.
Lead to strap, Lee, take a lot, lead the strap.
You got issues? No, I don't you got I mean
not as bad as Lee's, but you definitely got issues.
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the Trey hendricks Trey Hendrickson drama and saga going for
you at another turn, because on Sunday it was reported
that now we're talking trade scenario. Cincinnati is listening to
trade offers for Trey Hendrickson as contract talks are at
an impasse, according to NFL network insiders Ian Rappaport and
(02:10):
Tom Pellasero. Rap report added that any deal to get
Hendrickson away from Cincinnati will be expensive, likely requiring a
young player and a future draft pick. So apparently they've
made no sort of progress on contract talks, and now
with the season fast approaching, Trey Hendronson could potentially.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Be dealt before the year starts. Yeah, and why would
they make any progress? Why would anything change? Well, why
would anything change from where's but just because he showed
back up? I mean clearly the Bengals don't want to
pay him what he wants, and I would assume there's
been teams that have called previously to trade for him,
(02:51):
when the timing would have made a little bit more sense.
You had more time to get traded, learn the system,
get involved him. He still has time, but this is
not ideal, and it feels like they really have come
to an in passy where it's like, all right, let's
just go our separate ways. There's nothing wrong with that,
I mean, but I think the hard part is not
only is the asking price for the trade gonna be expensive,
(03:14):
it's gonna cost him not just draft capital, but actual
capital because they know he wants a new deal. So
I'm not sure how long this thing plays out, because
Cincinnati's either gonna have to you know, move forward and
try to you know, force him to come play for
them under this contract and then see if he's willing
to actually you know, hold out miss games, or they're
(03:35):
gonna have to take a lesser offer. But I think
the long term, the long term view of this situation,
it can't be like, hey, at the end of the season,
you know, we'll be able to figure something out or
get through it like Cincinnati's on the cusp. I think
of trying to, you know, be one of those teams
that makes a playoff run. And it's like figure it out,
(03:55):
like figure out in some fashion or form, either the trade,
the trade price, a contract extension that short term that
he would be willing to actually accept. Maybe you just
kicked the can down the road for another year and
just make him happy to get him back there to play.
Whatever the case is, this is exhausting, Like I think,
I mean, I'm tired of talking about it. I think
(04:16):
Bengals fans are tired of talking about it. It was
the what was the situation last year? Was it Rogers
last year? We talked about forever?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, uh, I'll say this. I think you're You're right.
I'm getting to the point now where my mind has
totally shifted into thinking it's play under your contract. And
and that's what Jerry Jones is pretty much alluding to
as well. We could add Micah into the scenario, and
(04:47):
here's what's interesting. Here's what's interesting. And I had to
take a step back and try to make sense of
this in a way where why do you make this
type of stance? And I started thinking thinking to myself,
who set the precedent's presidents on on giving these contracts?
Who started it off Cleveland? Right, And it's like, dang,
(05:11):
Cleveland did it already with DeShawn, but now they came
back and doubled down and did it with Miles Garrett. Well,
if you think about it outside of Deshaun, Deshaun Watson
coming in and potentially being the guy who's the face
of your franchise, undoubtedly, no arguing even though you gotch
ther door some way, somehow, maybe I don't. Miles Garrett
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is the face of the Cleveland Browns. He gets his
guaranteed contract, he gets the he gets the number. Then
you think about the next guy that gets their number,
and it comes into play. Who's the face of the
Pittsburgh Steelers. I think it's undoubtedly TJ.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Watt.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Undoubtedly TJ Watt. Who are you gonna who?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Who are we gonna.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Argue against t J wats being the face of the
franchise as well as taking his production. I think what's
working against Hendrickson and Micah Parsons Because as much as
I love Micah, I just got to say when I
kind of rewind and run back what Jerry has been
(06:20):
saying in the media and the comparisons with Daz Bryant
or with Ceedee Lamb and oh well, the roars and
the cheers were louder last year for it, da da da.
I don't think for certain and Hendrickson's situation, he's not
(06:40):
even the number three, Maybe he's number three, biggest face,
biggest name or player on the Bengals team. What you
gotta go obviously Burrow and then you go Jamar Chase.
And I mean you could decide if it's between Hendrickson
and Higgins for third place, fourth place. But if you
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look at the Dallas Cowboys, while some may say it
is Michael Parsons, I don't think anyone would debate that
Dak Prescott is the face of the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, and then you have a.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Debate between CD Lamb and Michael Parsons. I think the
value proposition here with Hendrickson and Parsons, if I'm just
being taken my feelings and my emotions out of what
I feel for Michael Parsons, I really think the issue
here is Jerry Jones truly believes that Michael Parsons needs
(07:37):
to play out his contract, and I don't unless there
is some crazy ass circumstances that get involved with this.
I really believe he's willing to stand on that because
what's taking place in Cleveland is really something that I
think the owners have a problem with, and they're not
(08:00):
going to fall victim to what could be perceived as
awarding these types of contracts to a guy that isn't
even the undisputed face of their franchise. And I think
that it's a hard thing to swallow, but could be true.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
If we're doing it based on Jersey sales. To your point,
Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase t Higgins at number three for
Jersey sales, and then I think Chamorris Stewart their first round.
Hendricks No, but it's gonna be close. But somewhere in
that in that order.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, remember we were having the conversation, was it
last year that we were talking about they've got Jamar,
Chase t Higgins and Trey Hendrickson to try.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
And get deals done, And it was.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Well, if you got to pick two of the three,
who are you going to pay and it and they
already paid them, They've already paid them.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They chose, they've already paid.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I mean, I don't know that that necessarily means that
they can't come up with some sort of way to
pay Trey Hendrickson, but it's almost it feels like they
prioritize getting those guys done, and then Trey Hendrickson was like, well,
we'll get to him and we'll.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Deal with that want.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And people say that Jerry Jones really only opens up
the bank for offensive players, right, I mean, what Deon Sanders?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Who else has he really like broke the bank? The
Marcus the Market's ware, Lawrence the mark is whaere right?
I mean he paid Lawrence, but I mean he didn't
make him like the highest paid in the in the league.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Did a good deal. It was a great deal. I
want to say he was pretty close when he did it. Yeah,
I'm sure it was a great deal.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
But you're we're talking Michael Parsons is probably seeking more
than DJ Watt.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no doubt. I mean, honestly, here's
the thing, and this is where I think you come
to a crossroads for Hendrickson is if you're an agent
or you're Trey Hendrickson, you're saying to the team, what
else do you want from me, like, I've given you
all the production that you could ask for the past
two years, and we talked about this because you kind
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of threw on another year on the deal to help
make me happy, but we knew there wanted to be
something more long term. And the Bengals are obviously looking
at his age. They're looking at the fact that even
with the production he had in sacks and pressures, it
still didn't equate to their defense being able to hold
their own. And they've got a new defensive coordinator they
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moved on from lou and Romo, so there's probably a
thought in their mind of, yeah, that was unbelievable, really
appreciative of what you did, but you're under contract and
even with all your production, it did intended any thing
for the bottom line of our team. We feel like
the best thing for our team is to provide Joe
Burrow with all these targets around him and allow us
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to win games in a shootout. I mean that's I mean,
I go back to even just Al Golden, the defensive
coordinator brought in from Notre Dame. It's so much more
of a blitz heavy scheme and and don't misconstrue it
like talents. Talent. You want to have your best players
out there if you can, but if you don't, you know,
you can scheme some things up to overload protections, to
(11:11):
put a bunch of dbs on the field, and confuse
the offensive line and infuse the quarterback and find ways
of getting free runners. You can do that. He does that.
He did that a lot of Notre Dame, where they'd
be coming from all over the field. So there might
be a thought to it as well that they gonna
change a lot of things up on defense because of
what was there wasn't working.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I may have worked for Trey Hendrickson for his production,
but not for the team and their success. I think
that's the hardest thing about this conversation is as a player,
you're sitting there saying, go, look at the tape. I've
done everything I can do in order to earn this contract,
and you're gonna hold against because what my age? What
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else is there? What else is there?
Speaker 1 (11:54):
He may have hit his ceiling with Cincinnati because he's
not theirs. They brought him in. He's not one of
their draft picks. So not only are you older, but
you're not even really one of us like you've been productive,
and I get it, But if you were one of us,
I mean, is it playing out this way? You know
(12:16):
who knows at your age, It's like, if we can
use you, we will, and we value you at the
contract we've given you. But to come back and give
you a contract that's as large and as rich as
the ones that you're seeing out there that you're comparing
yourself to, it's not worth the squeeze. And I think
(12:37):
that that's where we're getting to. I didn't think that
that was where it would belong. I did not believe
that this is where it would get to. And again
I'm gonna I'm gonna keep putting them in the same box,
even though Michael Parsons is a top draft pick for
the Cowboys.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But I just.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Feel as though where we're at now, for them to
have drug it out this fall are and be this
close to the regular season, they might really be standing
on the fact that you gotta play this contract year,
you're under contract and you're going to play.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
The reputation of the organizations sticks with me because I
look at micah situation, I go, well, they're gonna get
it done, Like this is just just what they do,
and with the Bengals, I'm like, yeah, probably not gonna
get it done.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's just what they do. Well, we talked about it
last year. I think there's a lot of Cincinnati Bengals
fans and people there who got offended. They get upset
when you tell them what the truth is. It's not
an organization that spends a lot of cash. They're just not.
You're in the bottom half of the league this year,
You're in the bottom half of the league next year. Like,
I'm sorry, that's how the organization is run. And it's
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been able to have moments of success despite all of that.
You made a Super Bowl despite all of that. And
you'll hear people who come on here and they come
on usually on Tuesdays, and they'll defend a lot of
people in the front office because they're nice to them
in the media. But the truth of the matter is they
are a cheap organization. I got boys who played for them.
They'll be the first to tell you. They'd be the
(14:09):
first to tell you. Now, that doesn't mean that there's
not good parts of it or the people there are great.
They don't spend so yeah, you know, to the point
of when you compare Cleveland, for example, to Cincinnati, and
obviously two teams are completely different positions. The one thing
you can give Jimmy has them credit for it's not
for lack of trying. He's trying and if you look
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at for example, I'm gonna go off on a tangent,
but hang with me. You know, I lived in South
Florida and I watched the Florida Panthers for a number
of years before they've gone on this recent run where
obviously they've won what now back to back Stanley Cup
champions they've gone to three in a row, whatever it's been.
You know, Vin Viola of their owner, when he took over,
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he dumped money into that organization still to this day.
I mean, it takes a lot of success and pro
sport worts to make, especially in certain sports, to make
the teams profitable. It really does. It takes a lot
of money and I'd say a lot of luck and
being able to win some games. You get to the
point where like you get everyone's showing up every single
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night during the course of the regular season, and then
once you get in the playoffs, because look, you know,
if you make the playoffs, people are gonna show up.
It's about being good enough where people know what they
can expect during the course of the regular season, night
and night out. So when they do have a few
extra bucks and they buy a ticket or they do,
you know, get off work, they're saying, Hey, I want
to go see a hockey game, and I want to
see my team get blasts that are blown. I want
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to see a good competitive, fun environment all those things.
So look, they've created an incredible culture and all that stuff,
but they threw a ton of money at it too,
and that's where kind of you look at Jimmy HAUSLM
for example, he's want the Browns. I mean, they're gonna
build a new stadium. They're trying to, you know, bring
in guys who at least they thought he was their
franchise quarterback. Obviously not. They're paying the face of their
(15:58):
franchise right now, Miles Garrett, as they should. But like
it's not for lack of trying. It just you know,
hasn't really all come together quite yet for them, and
they're still looking for that one piece of quarterback, which
we'll get to. But for Cincinnati, you have that guy,
Like if there was ever a time where you're trying
to load up and say this is the window, man, Like,
this is the window. We've got the guy, let's load up.
(16:19):
Let's keep bringing these guys back. It's now and again
we don't know the specifics of the negotiation, but you're
twenty first in the league and total cash spent this year.
You want to know how you be able to make
it work within the cap. You give them cash, big
signing bonus. Every player loves that. Levard you love that.
(16:40):
When you get your signing bonus, it hits your account.
You're like, hell, yeah, but let's go now. Yeah. And
by the way, next year, twenty second in the league,
scot in cash damn yeah yeah, even in radio. Yeah.
But you get my points, Like, like, I hate how
Cincinnati fans get upset by this. Why do they get pissed? Yeah,
(17:02):
I don't. It's because it's a pride thing, man. I
mean you have to understand, like, you know, people in
certain parts of the country are very prideful about where
they're from, and as they should be, you know, I mean,
in all seriousness, I mean, one of the things I've
noticed the most when you when you work for covenants
based in LA and when you've lived for a significant
period of time on the East Coast. You realize there's
a lot of people in the middle of the country.
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It feels like they're overlooked and and and this is
an example of that. And sometimes how it shows showcase
itself is through their fandom and sports teams, because that
sports team represents them. It represents where they're from.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
That's what it's always been supposed to be, represent where
you're from. Like all this decentralizing of fans, but I
will say this, Midwest fan bases are generally.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Super and especially.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Ohio and Pittsburgh, those type areas of Philadelphia. Their fans
are centralized, and they are intense, to say the least.
They are in tense, like in the colder weather, you know,
the the you know industries where you're coal mining or
(18:16):
steel mills, you know those type of industries. Real real
blue collar, hard hat lunch pails, cities markets, Baltimore. You know,
they're like that. They are very very passionate about their teams,
and they don't play about it, even for right or
for wrong. They don't play about it. So good for them,
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but it just happens to be a little bit misled,
you knows. Misguided on this one.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
I would think they'd be proud of the fact that
they are cheap asses and still have somehow figured out
a way to get to.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Super Bowls and not win it.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I mean, hey, but you know what, there's a lot
of teams who have spent money and then can close.
Jerry Jones has spent a ton of money and has
not been doing a conference championship game in thirty years.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Dan Snyder spent more money than anybody and didn't come close.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
You can't outspend this.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
You know, bang for your Maybe the Bengals are onto something,
you know, bang for your buck.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Hey, you ain't gonna win it anyway. See, you're you're
converting right now into a Bengals fan.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
Knowing I'm trying to find the positives here for Bengals
fans who get very worked up about this stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Maybe Lee should be a Bengals fan. He's always looking
for a bargain. Lee is banged up, is what. He's
a bank I can tell you. Do you want to
know what? For people listening? Uh? One of the highlights
of the show thus far, in the middle of logged
out of our zoom because Lee won't actually pay for
a subscription, the.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Wrong one right on the screen, right on the screen.
It just says, you're free. This is our show, Like
what this happened on any other time slot? This is
where it happens, Like you know what that happened.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
If you want to hear the most outrageous craziness of
how a show is being rand, name another spat with
a line up where this ass happens.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
The joint timed out. It timed out, like, yeah, it was.
It was on my personal I thought I thought we
were doing Streamyard. What happened to Streamyard? I'm on stream
Yard right now. It's uh, it's but it's also blacked out.
I don't know what's going on with stream Yard. You
are blast out, take a lap? Maybe the computers off
(20:33):
take a lap, lead you some sort of cheap free
version of emails too, I feel like all your emails
coming to be delayed. I agree on that one too.
I agree on that one too.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Dude, here, let me let me try this.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
What what are you going to try? Well, it's you
just send it to lead the lap at prestige liquor.
You're gonna give. That's that's the one. I I don't
know if you got a.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Different one there, but Jonas is the only one that
had strong communication lines with to defend himself.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Do you take yourself seriously sometimes with the conversations we have, No,
I actually throw myself under the bus more than I should.
I don't stand up for myself and I should.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So what he's basically saying is he should have defended
himself against me this morning.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I feel like I'm pretty accurate. I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I don't feel like there's no defending necessary. Just you know,
I feel like there's a lot of accuracy to today. Well,
I mean, I mean, I would have liked to came
in cool. To be honest, I did have a Celsius
and my energy level was on high. Celius, bro I
came in this joint. Oh wait, I'm still away just.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Like hey man. Yeah, I could walk to that that
I was ready to be happy with him, and then
I'm trying.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
To like, you know, then then out of nowhere, I'm
trying like what was that in my email?
Speaker 3 (22:01):
And I don't see anything. I'm a free trial ended. Yeah, well,
maybe you tried to peg him with you know whoa whoa?
You know whoa or something? You know whoa too many titles,
too many adult titles going on in this show right now.
I don't see Brady, Buddy. I'm in streamy in the
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waiting room. You're controlling as you have to let me in, dude.
By the way, I think it's it's a free one,
So alright, man, and we'll move off.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
I came in. All I was trying to do is
get ready for a show. All this criticism we're giving
the Bengals organization and we're doing free zoom trials to
our show. We are the Bengals, we are We are
the Cincinnati Bangles of this network.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Our show, our show. Don't get that to the whole network.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
I just was watching Tam Patrick's booty cheeks on television yesterday.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He's doing pretty well for him, So what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (23:12):
I was watching adults or whatever, grown ups, grown ups,
two grown ups. One when he was the gym teacher. Yeah,
he's dad is funny as all too. By the way,
he's a pretty funny dude. He was hitting him with
with the killer butt cheek. Looked like he had a
bb al.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Damn. By the way, two pros.
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Speaker 4 (24:33):
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that'll be yours here get a little over fifteen minutes
(24:54):
from now, Kevin Stefanski was talking with the media and
detailed when he's deciding on naming the starting quarterback for
Week one this upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Here was the Browns head coach.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
I want to get through the next couple of days,
but certainly that's something that we're gonna do here, sooner
or later. I need to get the football team in here,
talk to the players, those type of things. So we're
working towards obviously Week one, you know, that's part of
what this week is about getting our football team ready.
So we'll make all tho those type of determinations in
the next.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Couple of days. So I'm gonna go out on a
limb here.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
I think it's gonna be Joe Flacco, all right, So
that's gonna be my prediction.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
I don't know if you guys have knocks blocks. I mean,
I'm gonna second that. I think it's gonna be Joe
Flacco as a starting quarterback wins when what Yeah, while
we go back to that well, now we have options, right.
That's the worst one though. That's why we have options,
because we hated that one.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Yeah, I don't really like envision Q is Mario, you know,
I just don't. It's there, I know it, but I
just don't see you as being short, you know what
I mean? Like, I just think of Mario. I think short.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Luigi was taller though, wasn't He was taller?
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, he was taller too skinny though you're jacked, he's not.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Uh yeah he's not. He wasn't. Now we're done. That
one's way better. Lee might like that one the best. Lee.
Oh wow, what wow?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
That's what I was playing while you was cooking steaks yesterday,
brooking snakes.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
What was you wearing when you was cooking steak? Yeah,
exactly the same thing I'm wearing now. Yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure. Hey, Lee, where'd you see? What that not? Again?
A couple of couches? Well, you need a good mattress.
Let me tell you, good sleep starts with a good mattress.
And I trudged the mattress from Sleep That's Goods to
(27:09):
find my perfect mattress from their premium selection for the
great sleep you Deserve. Is a mattress firm. During the
best sale of the year, they make sleep easily. It's
very good at cue. That was very well done, you know.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Speaking of the Browns, Dylan Gabriel looked okay over the.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Weekend and he looked, good man. He's a competitor. Yeah, well, okay,
here we go. Did anyone take offense to that or
take that a certain way?
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I don't care. I could care less. I just saw
it making its rounds.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah. He's not an entertainer. He's a competitor.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
And you know what, the first thing I thought about
when I saw that or heard the sound bite was
if you recall there was a guy by the name
of Dan Lanning that wasn't into social media and acting
and all that stuff. It's about playing football. Now, I
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don't know, fighting for clicks, for fighting for wins. I
don't know if that was that wasn't Dylan Gabriel's team,
I don't believe. But obviously I think that there is
the connection to Dan Landing in Oregon and what that
messaging was. So now it's interesting, if some way, somehow,
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because it does appear that Shador has no problem addressing
his critics or anybody that has something to say about him.
It doesn't seem like he has any issues with it.
I wonder if they had a conversation about that, the.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Fact that anybody would take Dylan Gabriel saying.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
I'm a competitor.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
They're entertainers and their competitors and try and turn that into, oh,
he took a shot at shad Or Sanders. It's just
exactly what people are trying to turn this into. It's
now become a Dylan Gabriel versus shud Or Sanders.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
It's because you know why it's turning into that, because
that's what people are thinking.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I mean, let's be clear.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
People are thinking that Shador Sanders is entertainment, and and
so for him to throw in he's a competitor, that's
that's him adding on to it. But it's already like
that's already a perception is that it's it's entertainment.
Speaker 4 (29:23):
I like the fact that they ask about it after
the game, and he's got to clarify he wasn't talking
about Shador, but made it a point to tell the
media there in attendance, No, you're the entertainers. I'm a competitor,
which I don't know that. I fully agree with that because.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
You have to.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
I mean, the the media industry is very competitive. Yeah,
but we're competing and and get I get what.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
He's saying though, like we're here for entertainment, right, Like
that's ultimately what it's about.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, I mean, well that is true. I mean now
that you don't you don't break news. I mean, you know, sports,
sports isn't about breaking news anymore. It's just about there's
some breaking news like trades and stuff like that, injuries
or somebody got in trouble, stuff like that. But generally speaking,
I mean, you're just talking about and giving your opinions
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on different things that are taking place. I mean, I
get it, I get it. We're definitely here for entertainment,
at least I know I am. You know, I'm not
trying to be anything more than an entertainer. But you know,
I did play the game too, so I don't have
a problem with being an entertainer because I've been a
competitor in my life as well.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
So do you think people are going to go after
Dylan Gabriel and some of the hot take artists are
going to go after Dylan Gabriel for this?
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think it will suck if because the only people
that are really going to go after him that it
really matters is within the market, Like the fan base
may attack Dylan Gabriel based off of that. Depending on
how it plays out, it could. I mean, I've said
it from the jump, the minute they drave to Shador Sanders,
(31:01):
whatever team drafted him was going to have to deal
with the stardom effect, the stardom impact of what he
brings to the table, and it's proven to be true.
And listen, he plays some he I mean, I'll defer
to you on this cue. I mean throwing the ball
in that first game, he made some throws that I
(31:23):
didn't I mean, I didn't realize he could throw the
ball that well. I mean, I knew he could play,
but I just didn't know he was hitting tight windows
like he was doing in that game. He can play football,
But I do believe that his stardom his start, and
he doesn't shy away from it obviously, but his stardom
(31:45):
was going to be a thing wherever it is he went,
and you're seeing that in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Yeah, I mean, I know, you know, reservations or doubts
about his throwing ability. I thought what he showcasing that
first game was his ability to kind of move around
and showcase his athleticism that like he can be a
running threat, he can scramble, he can hurt you with
his legs, because you know he was very hesitant to
do it at the college level. But to your point,
I mean, just stepping back, those two are always going
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to be tied to each other because they're drafted in
the same year and there's only one guy who starts,
and so whether or not they want to describe it
as a competition or however you want to go about
doing it, it's just it is what it is. It's
really hard to, you know, have those sorts of feelings
where you can you things can be friendly when you
(32:38):
guys are both fighting for a job, whether that's the
starting job, a backup, hell, it could be a roster spot.
You know you were you were in competition with one another,
and you know, how Dylan Gabriel operates and how Shoud
or Santo's operate are completely different. But in regards to
what we saw in the field, I thought Dylan Gabriel
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did everything he needs to do to continue to be
in that conversation for either the backup because I think
Flacco is the starter. We've you know, addressed that or
make a roster spot. He was on time, on point,
He was very accurate. You know. The interception was such
a fluke, weird play off a boot. I mean, there's
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a lot of things that went wrong. You know, obviously
he just needs to throw it away at that point
and he'll learn that. You know, it's preseason, so it's
a good learning lesson. I'm sure Tommy Reese and Kevin
Stefansk are telling him that. But it doesn't help when
your flat control bleeds up the field, it allows a
defender to undercut it. It doesn't help that the overall
like everything was kind of collapsing all into one big
(33:40):
team meeting. So you know, chalk it up as a
learning lesson and as a mistake. But it wasn't just
on him. You know, you just ultimately are the ones
that that's created on it because you have the football.
So everyone seems to blame you in the end, where really,
if there's a little more separation, maybe there's a window,
maybe there's someone else you can make a play on
the football, or at worse, it's it's a complete but
(34:00):
I digress. I think you know, it's not so much
the intrigu about the Browns aren't about who the quarterbacks
can be week one, it's who the quarterback is, you know,
Week seventeen, And is that game even a meaningful game
for the Browns with whoever is that starting quarterback?
Speaker 5 (34:14):
For him?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
And public opinion, Dylan Gabriel cannot outplay the entertainment factor
that Shador Sanders brings to the table.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Were you watching the game on NFL Network when they
showed it on Saturday, Like the second Dylan Gabriel through
that pick one of the first camera shots they.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Went, They can't. I cannot out and I'll take it
a step further. I'll take it a step further. Tell
I'll take it a step further. Joe Flatco will not
be able to outplay the entertainment factor that Shador Sanders
brings to the table.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
So here's the thing. If Chador does what we saw
him do in the first preseason game, if he plays
that way, because it wasn't that long ago that the
Browns drafted Johnny Manzel and people were saying the exact
same thing you're saying right now. And the problem is
when the play doesn't come with it, then it's like, okay,
now it's just a circus. So that's the problem is,
(35:11):
you know, it looks all good when you walk out
in a fight and you got the you know, a
whole crew and the whole you know, parade coming out
with you. But that's when you win. When you don't win,
then it's like it turns against you. So again, all
that stuff right now doesn't matter. It only was gonna
matter if he doesn't play well, which again I think
he's fully capable. I mean, we're talking about a coach
(35:34):
he's won multiple Coach of the Year awards, who knows
how to put his quarterbacks in a position to succeed.
And this is a talented roster around them. I mean,
Thrash looks great, Kate Davis said a phenomenal training camp preseason.
So far, like they've got young kats, a wide receiver
who stepped up, who have looked the part. So it's
gonna be really interesting. I just I think that it
sounds all all good. But it's not that long ago
(35:56):
that we kind of saw the entertainment value of Johnny
Manzel and the clamoring for Johnny Manziel and then that
quickly faded by the wayside.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm going to totally take a different take on that
because I believe Shador Sanders, being drafted where he was drafted,
was turned into a sympathetic figure, not even just in
Cleveland in general to sports fans and onlookers, and I
(36:24):
believe looking at what chador situation is, it will be
a hard pressed situation for him to even play poorly
and possibly be held accountable for his play. I think
he will always because he has so much built up
(36:45):
in terms of what his family name, what his dad
has represented, what his dad has gone through, what people
have related Shador Sanders to, and being connected to his dad.
I think the storyline, if anything, Young Bucky has done
such an excellent job of building out the identity of
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Shador Sanders, and his dad has has mastermind and built
out such a strong identity for Shador Sanders. It doesn't
even come close to Johnny Manziel, doesn't even come close
because Johnny Manziel, while he was like the People's Champion,
(37:30):
he did it the way he wanted to do it,
and the money and this that and the other, his
controversial type of ways and the way people were very
split and divided in terms of how they felt about
Johnny Manziel. While people may hate on Shador, I think
there he has grabbed a very captive audience and a
(37:51):
very very specific demo that they're not going to go
for Schador.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
You know what it is, Well, here's here's the one
thing I got sand rebuttal to that is yeah, I know,
I know. As soon as I saw him they're showing
him walking out for that first preseason game, I had
people text me to go, here we go again, like
for everything you just said and how sympathetic with the
draft and all that stuff. As soon as it was
(38:19):
like the kind of circus coming into the game, there
are people who already started to get the side eye
to it. We're like, you already lost them. Like if
there was sympathetic, they're rooting form fifth round pick all stuff.
There are people who are like, all right, right back
to kind of the whole circus and everything else off
the show. So again, none of it matters. None of
it matters. If he plays well, they win. That's that's
that's all that matters. Right at the end of the day,
(38:42):
that's all that I don't know that he's going to play.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
I think that the way it plays out, his public
opinion will be all over whoever's playing. It'll be all
over their neck, which plays in his his favor, because
he's not going to be in a situation where he's
lowering his value that way, you know what I mean,
He's going to be watching.
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don't have a whole lot of time. Do we want
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Speaker 1 (39:53):
I mean, the whole show has been an FSR IR.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
What do you get back? What do you mean back?
Get that anything for? Take a lap? I don't know
what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I mean, I thought it was distract I mean, he's
taking on a few different names this morning.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I mean I just was.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
I just don't understand how it took this loan to
tell that story like that is wild.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Just you know, the couch surfing and the friendly couple
just jogged like all those years, all these years later,
Oh my god, because yeah, yeah, yeah, I wish you uh,
I wish you guys could have been there for that tale.
I don't know, I think it's better just hearing it
the way I heard it, I guess, or maybe not
(40:42):
at all. Ever, Yeah, that was that was definitely something
that took place. So so yeah, maybe we'll uh we'll
throw this, throw this up top of next hour.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
We'll do the f s R I R lee good
with that, good with the adjusted on the fly for that,
you know me I'm good with anything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Yeah, well said that. That is correct, That is definitely correct.
But Lee and also Lee's very excited about the lineup
on one of the local news channels today, very excited.
It's a Lee's team all the way here.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yep, that's about right,
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