September 3, 2025 • 40 mins
Micah Parsons agent David Mulugheta gives his side of the story and it’s clear Jerry Jones negotiated in bad faith. Student athletes now make hard decisions to take a pay cut to go to the NFL. Plus, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.
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David Mulligata, the agent for Micah Parsons, was on first take.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Of course, so he's talking that Yeah, of course he was.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
He was on first take, and he had a couple
of interesting, interesting things to say, one of which was
the quote unquote negotiation that Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones
allegedly had back in March when Micah got back from
being out of the country.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
This was his agent's take on that situation.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
As far as far as Mike's concerned, he was, you know,
he was out of the country. You got a call
from Jerry's assistant and was asked to come in to
me about leadership. So when he got back from his vacation,
he came in and he gave him a call, told
me he was back.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He was ready to meet.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
At some point during that meeting that was represented to
him about it was going to be about leadership, could
turned into contract talk. And you know, if you're a
twenty five year old football player and your boss, who
happens to be the most powerful person in the NFL,
starts talking about contract it's hard for you in that conversation.
So they had a conversation. Micah nodded his head out
of respect. Obviously, there's a power dynamic that's a little
(03:17):
different there. One guy's the owner of the team and
the GM and the other one is Michael Parson is
a young twenty five year old football player, so I'm
not sure if there was a miscommunication there by the
time Michael walked out, But at no point did Michael
believe that he was negotiating contract.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So that was a that makes sense. I mean, that
checks out. I mean, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Eh, Well, numbers were discussed, and there was another report
from Don Van Nada and Jeremy Fowler on ESPN that
said that Jerry and Micah had reportedly had the parameters
of the deal, and then Parsons called Stephen Jones after
that meeting to try and see if they could increase
(03:58):
some of the monies.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
In the contract. So I don't believe that, Okay, man, Okay,
I don't believe that. I don't. I don't believe that.
That's that's just my opinion on it. I don't. I
don't believe that to be true.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I see what's happening there. I mean, he'll believe one
guy just won't believe the other.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm not a David Mullagetta fan either, but I'm just
saying I don't believe that to be true.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's all I'm gonna say. I don't. I don't believe
that to be true.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Like again, and even if they had the discussion, even
like and I feel like that checks out like they
are he had the discussion point they brought up numbers, this, that,
and the other. I just don't see Micah committing to
a parameter of a contract without talking with his agent.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In fact, I would I would extend further.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
To say the vast majority of guys that are in
the NFL wouldn't do that without the involvement of their agent.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yes, so I think that's rather obvious. Well, the thing
I'd ask you is do you think they hadn't had
a conversation at any point about what a contract would
look like? Because what I think most likely happened is
it's he probably already had conversations with his agent before
about what they're looking for, what they're going for, and
then when Jerry asked him to come up, he's talking
(05:19):
to them about it. But by here's the thing is,
by no means when you're a player and an owner
general manager asked you to come up, do you believe that,
like you're actually negotiating the contract. You know what I'm saying,
Like you maybe put in some framework or talking about
some things, but like you're not like this doesn't pen
to paper, right, Like so many things have fallen through
(05:40):
in contracts, and this is out extends outside of football
because you know, whatever attorney's got involved or agents got
involved and they didn't like the language in certain clauses
in the contract and it fell through. That happens all
the time. So like the general point that I would
take is regardless of what was said in that meeting,
Like this isn't the good old days, Like that's not
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how it works, Jerry. So I don't care if there
was like a verbal agreement or whatever you thought you
had had or you know, spit on your hands and
you know, shook hands.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Like the agent.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, you have to get in writing. Yeah, Like forget that,
you have to get in writing. Like Jerry Jones is
a savvy enough businessman to know that any deal he's
going to negotiate, there is not a word of mouth
negotiation like contract being taken place. That's not how the
NFL works. He knows that he just signed to Ron
Bland to that there was that just a spit on
their hands shake and there you go. Is that how
(06:35):
that worked? I mean like all this stuff is believable.
It's just when it comes down to it, none of
it's an actual contract, Like, none of it's actually on paper.
Both parties signed the agreement and that's the contract we're
want with moving forward. And obviously they couldn't come to that.
And you know, Micah was wise enough to make sure
his agent was involved. So look, a good thing for
(06:56):
Mike is he got his agent involved, he got the
deal he wanted. I just, you know, I wanted to
be able to get on the field and play and
see what Green Bays capable of this year.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think he'll play, and I think that this whole
conversation about what took place between Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You tell guys, it is so old, and listen.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Jerry Jones has done how many contracts during the duration
of his career versus how many has Michael Parsons been
a part of. I don't act like this is on
Michael Parsons, Like that's whack is s. I don't act
like it's on Michael Parsons. Whatever it was that you
were trying to get done, Jerry, you try to get
it done. Find you try to get it done with
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the player, but you also try to get that done
with the agent. And if that doesn't align, it doesn't align.
But don't try to make this mess out to be
like Micaeh like did the contract but didn't do the
contract and then his agent came and met No, don't
do that doesn't add up, It doesn't make sense. You're
(08:03):
you're a guy who is very, very experienced in running
a team. So don't put that out there like that,
because that's misleading. Even if you had that conversation, you
pay him, you're his employer. If he called you to
come in there and he talked to you about numbers
and you felt like and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's easy, believe you me, it's easy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To feel like you have a close relationship with the
owner of the team. At times that does happen where
you have close conversations, you're in close quarters, you discuss things,
you discuss the future of the team. They try to
hit on your emotional strings and your chords and talk
about what the city means and all these things. Stop
(08:46):
putting that on Micah Parsons. The bottom line is a
contract wasn't done. You needed to talk to the agent
at some point in time, no matter what the conversation
that took place between you and Michael Park and everybody
needed to get on the same page. That didn't happen.
Just say we needed to get on the same page.
We weren't on the same page. And now Mike's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like all this other stuff to try to justify one
thing over to another, this and that, it's a dumb
ass move. No matter how you slice it, it's a
dumb ass move.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't give a damn if Michael Parsons has.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Three good years left in that back, that's still a
horrible move. To allow Michael Parsons to leave, that's a
horrible move. And nothing you say, nothing you're gonna do.
Whether you agree with it that Micah's agent or not,
whether you listen to all of the speculation or the
things that get reported.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Out there or not.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
The bottom line is there's no justification for letting Michael
Parsons leave your team before his rookie contract was over.
You didn't do another contract with him. You can't justify it.
Let's just move on. I want to get your asses
kicked by phillym Go get that ass whipped, come back
(10:04):
and have to answer more questions about why you didn't
bring Michael Parsons back. You did this, Why don't you
go get your ass. Don't blame that on somebody else.
You did that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
David Wullagatta also explain sort of the structure of the
contract and how the numbers came to be yesterday on
first stake as well too.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
From an APY stamp standpoint, you're just looking at the
average that there was offered to him. I believe it
was forty point five was the offer which would have
made him at the time from an APY standpoint, the
highest paid. That being said, the way the cash flower
structured over his first three new years, he would not
be paid as the highest player, highest paid player in
the NFL. So again that's why I say the devil's
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in the details. And another important part of the contract
was a four year deal versus a five year deal.
Right when you look at that that fifth new year,
it could be the difference in thirty to forty million
dollars for the player. You know, if you look at
where the pass rusher market was a year ago, it
was at thirty five million or so, with Nick Moosa
now said forty seven million in one year with Michael Parsons.
So four years from now, what do you think that
number is. It's probably culture to sixty five to seventy
(11:06):
million dollars a year. And if we lock in that
fifty year currently at forty million dollars, just that year
loan is worth an additional thirty million dollars to Mike,
if not more.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And that's not even counting.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
The rays that he got for the next four years
or the fact that the Packers were were you know,
we're good enough to us that they gave us the
fifth year option as a linebacker this year as opposed
to them, So that's an additional three million dollars. So
you know the difference between those two deals you're looking
that could be possibly, you know, sixty seventy million dollars
when it's all set and done.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I mean, first off, it's it's simple math, Like you
add on an additional year, your average per year goes down.
So thank you for the math lesson, David. The other
thing is that he doesn't really point out or doesn't
do a great job of explaining. It's the reason why
you want a four year of verus a five year
is it gives one less year of team control. So
in your negotiations, if Michael Parsons does what you think
he's going to do, you know, to his point about
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what that final year in the contract is worth. Let's
say it's forty million, and the going rate average, you know,
per year is actually closer to fifty or whatever the
number is. You're renegotiating that contract center, right, because you're
pressing free agency sooner. So the duration of the deal
matters if it's not as long because to keep versus
(12:19):
depression year three versus year four. Yeah, and you're obviously
continuing to keep up with what the true market rate
is if he's obviously playing up up to those standards.
So that's how I describe why there is more value
placed on four years versus five for those reasons. And
he'll be, I believe, thirty years old if my math
(12:40):
is correct, as opposed to thirty one, which is again
the age that Trey Hendrickson is in. And obviously at
that point in time when you want to re up again,
it becomes a much more difficult task when you hit
that age of thirty to renegotiate versus twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I mean, so Basically, Jerry drug his feet and this
time it got him. He waited too long they were
talking contract and at the time.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They could have did the contract bro and it was
before he waited too long, and it was before all
these other deals got done, but if they wanted to,
because you know, one of the other parts of the
report on ESPN was that finally when it came time
to have a discussion, Jerry Jones told Micah Parsons and
his agent because David Mulligetta did send an email over
(13:25):
to try.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And quote unquote one last ditch effort to get something done,
and Jerry and Steven wrote back and just said, look,
either he's going to play on the fifth year option.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Or he's going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And the feeling was that the price had jumped so
much since when they first discuss had the discussion that
they were still going based on the original discussion back
in March, which is like.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If that's forty million and you got a heavily backloaded contract,
that is that is a franchise friendly contract.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But it's like that was before Max Crosby got done,
Miles Garrett got done, and that he you know, if
they really it just feels like if they wanted to
get it done, they would have gotten it.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Done, no matter when. Jonas, and it feels like that's
the thing, no matter when. It feels like the same
thing that happened with Mike McCarthy. Like Mike McCarthy, they
waited until the end, waited till the end.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Wait, Yeah, I guess we just decided if part ways
like no, you just you were in discussions to bring
him back and then it just didn't happen. It just
it feels like they are entering those dysfunctional organizations that
we talk about. They're entering those conversations now, the Jets,
the Panthers, like it just it's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Since they've won.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
There's there's always chaos, and they're just probably not going
to be good and they just lost their best player
because of Shenanigan's It seems like I don't really feel
like surprises or luck play a play a part in
being successful in the league either, Like, is there a
(15:01):
chance that this team could be a competitive team, sure,
it's an NFL team, Is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It actually feasible to think that they could get lucky
this year and have a Super Bowl run? They could
get lucky this year and win the NFC East. They
could get lucky this year and have great success. I
don't see that. I don't see that as being feasible.
Doesn't mean it can happen. I don't know what the
(15:30):
chances of that would be, the odds of that would be.
I just have never really seen a team get lucky
at being successful when they make dumbass decisions. I've never
seen it. I've never seen it happen. But maybe they'll
be the first ones. Maybe Jerry's the one to do it,
to change everything up and see things differently than what like.
(15:51):
I guess you can just get rid of great ballplayers.
I mean when we do all the things we do
to prepare for the draft, and you prepare for the
offseason for free agency, I guess you could say, you
know what, Hell, there isn't a premium on elite players.
We could just do it with other players, like we'll
do it with other guys. I guess that's where we're
hating with this.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, well, at least he got paid, so there's that.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
And now he's off to Green Bay and the rest
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back and forth that Brian Kelly took a little personal
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et cetera, et cetera. Well, another matchup we've got coming
up this weekend in college football is that you've got
Oklahoma State and you got Oregon. And Mike Gundy was
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on The Mike Gundy Show and had some thoughts on
the spending and how the operations.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Are done there at Oregon, and it went like this.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think Oregon.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Spent close to forty last year alone.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Wow, so that was just one year.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Okay, Now I might be off a few million, but
they're spending a lot of money. They spent a lot
of money, you know, and there's some schools that are
doing that.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So it might be off a few million, Dan, just
a few.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Dan Lanning of Oregon heard the comments and had this
to say, I.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately he's
a great coach.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
They've done an unbelievable job.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
But I want to be a team that's competing at
the highest level, and we're really fortunate to be in
that situation.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
So I can't speak on their situation.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
I have no idea. You know What's what they got
in their pockets over there. I'm sure U T. Martin
maybe didn't have as much as them last week.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So yikes.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I love this, I really do. I just like man,
it was a quick bit of shade at the end.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It's just a quick bit, all that build up just
to just just to throw grenade.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
At him, right shake, grenade came right at the end.
He ain't said they didn't spend the money. I'll tell
you that Cats is out here trying to figure out
how to get as much as they can during this
new era of college for I mean, you guys see
the reports hitting with with you know, with Penn State
(21:05):
and with Nike and Adidas. I mean, that's it's a
very real thing getting that type of endorsement and backing
from different companies. Obviously Oregon is a Nike school, but
you're talking about just the idea of what you're able
to do in order to continue to be attractive to
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these athletes. Because the gold posts in terms of how
you impress a player and getting them the one to
come and getting them the one to stay.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
The gold post they've moved. They've certainly moved.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, I'm trying to look into the Uh. There's a
thing called a black book from Open Doors. Open Doors
is a marketplace that is able to provide transparency because
where a lot of these deals are done between universities
and student athletes. They use these marketplaces because it helps
provide the proper you know, tax documentation compliance, you know forms,
(22:10):
et cetera, and then obviously the contract. It makes it
really easy. It's it's kind of like if you had
a DocuSign right, you know, someone signs a contract to you,
send that online, you sign up on the docu sign.
The reason why I'm trying to find this is because,
like the numbers that have been thrown out are overstated.
I've said this for years, and this black book actually
provides you with our data, not like what one coach says,
(22:34):
not when some other coach says, like I was in
this too deep for too long to know how much
smoke is blown, to know how much these schools promise players,
they don't actually get what they're promising, and it's a
lot lower number some of the data. When when I
can find this to share, which I don't have to
(22:54):
my fingertips right now, you'll be like, oh, okay. It's
one of the biggest frustrating parts about all this is
everyone hypes up what kids are getting paid. And don't
get me wrong, the top one percent are being paid handsomely,
but there is ninety nine percent that are not, and
it's actually greater than that. It's probably like point zero
(23:16):
three percent are actually being paid these gaudy numbers. The
rest not as much as not as much as being reported.
So it's It's interesting to me because you hear coaches
go back and forth about how much they spend and
how much they're someone else is spending. Just create transparency, like,
just create transparency and then the reality is too now
(23:37):
we know like based on what they have to share
because the house ncaa settlement. Well, you you have that
allotment of money, like that alligment's there for you, so
you can't cry poor like you've got that money. Is
that you're spending on your football program and how your
university decides to spend it's on them. But you know
that's for you to argue with your athletic director or
(23:58):
you know, your board, the powers that be, the border regions.
I would just say this though, you shouldn't believe everything
you hear now just already have deeper pockets in Oklahoma
State of course, without a doubt. And Dan Lenning brings
up a good point, where is that if this is
the world of college football that we're living in, yeah,
you better be invested in winning. It's a great line.
(24:19):
It's an amazing line because like Ohio State last year,
like Michigan the year before that, you know, one of
the biggest things they're trying to do is retain players
that could go to the NFL, their NFL caliber players,
but with another year they might improve their draft stock.
(24:39):
Maybe they won't, but what you're seeing is those players
are more valued at the college level than they are
at the pro level. Like Will Howard, was it what
a six round draft pick? I think the Pittsburgh this year?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Jonas?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, he made over a million dollars last year as
being the starting quarterback at Ohio State. He will make
less money going in to be a Pittsburgh Steelers, an
NFL quarterback than he made last year at Ohio State.
It's pretty great. There's a movement right now by the
way of a thought. I don't know why, but that
(25:17):
they were just going to say everyone gets five years
of eligibility, like forget redshirts, just to have five years
of eligibility, just completely changing the eligibility rules.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It makes sense to me.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Well, here's where it doesn't make sense is this was
all tied back to basically your education. You had four
years you're getting it takes you four years to get
your degree. You should take four years. Most of these
kids do summer school. Some even come in with credits.
Nowadays from high school. So some are able to graduate
in three years because they've almost got a year of
college before they even get there. So to me, here's
(25:49):
the problem with the five years of eligibility. It kind
of begs the question of like, well, then why stop there?
Why not six? Why not seven? Why not make it infinite?
Like why is is there any stopping point that if
that's the case, And the point is because it was
never meant to be the stopping point for you in
(26:10):
your career, like your pursuits, the education, the degree. Yes,
football at that at that level, but it's eventually to
then play in the NFL. If you're just straight making
this a professional sport. Now, well now you're in competition
with the NFL, and now you've got to kind of
rethink a lot of things and how this whole thing
is structured. So when people say, well, yeah, they should
(26:31):
just have you know, five years, five years of playing,
it's like no, Like, I don't think an eighteen year
old kid should be going up against guys who are
that much older. Like I'm sorry, Like I'm still a believer.
There's seventeen year old kids. Ryan Wims last year, Malachi
Toni this year from Miami. The wide receivers had a
great game. He's seventeen. You really want to going up
(26:53):
against twenty three, twenty four year old guys.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But that's always been a vailable.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
It hasn't always been.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
It hasn't.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's the way it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Has come in and play like, dudes, come, can you.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Know how rare it is? Because outside of if you're
in the Mormon faith and you do missions or you
go off and do whatever and come.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Back from a baseball yeah, play is like sure.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Every everyone's got one. Everyone's got one, everyone's known of
a guy that's point zero two percent. Like, if you
make policy or you make decisions based on the point
zero one percent, you're making bad decisions then because it
doesn't impact or impacts everyone else who doesn't fall into that.
So I would sit there and say, like, there's given
(27:31):
four years. If they want a red shirt, great, but
at some point you got to move on. Man, This
isn't This isn't the end point of your professional sports career.
If you're good enough, you play in the NFL. If
you're not, you don't you move on. So I know
we got off on a tangent there. I just I
look at it and just go. At some point, this
sport has to realize that it's either trying to be
(27:54):
like the NFL and we're moving in that direction, or
you're not, but you got there's gotta be a dividing line.
It's point because everything keeps inching closer and close and
closer to basically a league that's gonna compete with the
NFL at some point.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think the percentage obviously a small making it into
the NFL. So while people may have that as a
hope and a dream as their final destination, that's not
that's not a large percentage. So I feel like if
you're making a decision based on what you're doing in
college and it isn't based off of making it into
(28:29):
the league, I mean, if we're if we're doing it
based off of guys getting drafted or trying to keep
them in for their you know, their last year of school,
but they're pro guys, that that's a that's also a
small percentage of people.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Right And by the way, and I would argue this,
one of my issues with that is those those players
are being paid a premium at this level because they're
valued at this level, like for example, Ohio State instead
of going with Joy and saying last year, who obviously
have started this year a red shirt freshman, you know,
(29:04):
or Notre Dame for that matter. Both teams have played
in the National Championship in Miami. Well, yeah, I mean
supposed to go to the pros. Beck, Yeah, Beck this
year and cam Ward last year. Whoever you want to
point to, you know, those guys and Camboard is different
because Camboard went through and elevated his draft stock, right,
he became the number one overall pick, and Ben Beck's
(29:24):
probably looking to elevate it. But the point I'm trying
to make is instead of going with guys who would
have been true freshmen like Joy and San or a CJ. Carr,
they went with older guys. They went with Riley Lennon.
They went with Will Howard, both guys who both, mind you,
I think they both got drafted in sixth round. Right,
So guys who are literally made more last year in college,
(29:47):
then they'll make in the NFL because they were valued
more at that level. But then they go up to
that level. It's an entirely different conversations. So my general
point is, like you're paying a premium for something where
like back in the old days, like if you were
good enough you left after three years, you're left after
four maybe you had a red tree still left. Like nowadays,
we're like overpaying for guys who the NFL is looking
(30:08):
at and being like, yeah, maybe they'll be able to
be a starter one day or a backup. It's just
a wild conversation to have, especially when you talk to
you talked about like all the things you need to
do to get a kid who come to your school.
It's like, yeah, and may not even be a guy
who's like an NFL caliber guy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I mean, look at your door.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
How much was he making last year versus what he
makes this year salary wise, you know that's a downgrade.
I mean he's still making it off the field, but
he was making it off the field and the lead.
I bet you if he could have stayed another year
at Colorado, you would have stayed.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
You imagine you guys back when you were playing, if
somebody pulled you aside and said, hey, by the way,
if you go to the NFL, you gotta take a
pay cut.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That whole day, it's just wild. It would be a
nice position to be in.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I say that, but I was making like seven to
fifty an hour at the Office of News and Information
in the CANNEP Center. Yeah, scrounged together change for like pizza.
Oh yeah, a lot of a Psalm's basement.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh yeah, I remember those moments.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's just it's interesting because I'm a brander, I'm a
chronic serial brander, and I would have had everything I'm
doing now, I would have had that going back then.
Just give me a dollar off of all of the
jerseys you sold during that time. Give me a dollar
off of all the merch you sold during the time
(31:34):
I was in school.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, someone's eventually going to sue someone to try
to create the precedent. I mean, Reggie obviously tried to
go back, even though statue of limitations already passed. But
he tried to go back with that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I don't know imagine how much.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I mean for me, here's what's crazy for me,
because Joe made it the tradition that you don't have
your names on the back. I don't really have a
case anyway, because you could say, oh, well, it's not
about you, it's about this one, or it's about that one,
or it's about that one. Like there's no names on
the back. We don't have names either, But I think
(32:08):
i'd have a decent case. You think so, I mean,
how many other tens? I mean if you got a
decent case, then I'm winning.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Matt Leveka.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You can't get a little love here.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I just like all you'd have to do is you'd
have to go back and say, Okay, how many of
this number of jerseys, like this specific number did you
sell before this date? And then how many did you
stell during this period? And then how many did you
sell after?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Huh wow? A receiver warm out? It wasn't a two
waight number, and a receiver was where my number when
I came it?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It?
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I do very well, So I'm cool. But it would
be an interesting conversation though. In case study, when.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You hear Mike Gundy, you know, explain how much Oregon
pays and how much Oklahoma state.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
That's a showd Landing gave the whole quote. You gave
the whole quote, right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, I just how much of that was Mike Gundy
taking a shot at Dan Lanning in Oregon and how
much of that was him saying it out loud to
his own people, like, Hey, we got to step our game.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's frustration.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, that's frustration, man, Like why wouldn't you want a
big university to invest more into the Like you say
you want the benefits, you want to reap the benefits
of what comes with having elite football. Elite football out
of school drives the school, drives, the town, drives everything
(33:37):
you say you want it, but when it comes down
to it, you do things that would actually contradict what
it is that you're saying you want, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
If roles were reversed, And by the way, hasn't Oklahoma
State tried some stuff like haven't they had ideas about
like didn't they have the bar code on the back
of the player helmet or something like that where you
could donate to the to the player's nil fund or
something like.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
There was a QR code idea they had that.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I think the somebody squashed the NCAA got involved in
squash it or whatnot. So they've tried to come up
with some but it just I wonder if more of
that is Mike going to being like, hey, can we
can we step up our game here? Because yeah, Dan
Lanning like they spend a lot of money, so what
what are they supposed to do, not spend it so
they could be on an even playing field with everybody else.
(34:23):
If you're trying to play it and compete at that level,
I just I don't know that it's necessarily a shot
at organ.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Everybody's trying to win.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Some programs and schools understand that they got to put
in that pain for it to be more of a realistic,
more realistic goal to win it all. Some teams are
trying to win, some programs are trying to win. Some
programs are trying to win it all. And I think
that comes down to the leadership from the the athletic
(34:53):
director to the president of the school and then everybody
else after that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Yeah, I do have some numbers for By the way,
what you got According to Open Doors, which conference do
you believe spent the most or highest percentage of their
budget on quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
On quarterbacks on quarterbacks? BacT twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Okay, thanks Jonas. I'm going stay with the Big Ten.
I think the Big ten everything these days.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I say Big ten created drum roll plays, drum roll
please as it's coming.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
It's coming.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Oh no a time, I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Know it's thanks Lona.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
The Big ten spent the least amount on their quarterbacks
in comparison to the other Power of four conferences. In fact,
the Big twelve spent twenty three percent little over twenty
three percent of their rev share on quarterbacks. The Big
Ten spent fourteen point four what to CC do fifteen,
(35:54):
So actually the ACC spends more on the quarterbacks than
the Big Ten as well. There's just some other interesting notes.
Almost every single conference spends more money on offense than defense.
The most glaring difference is the ACC. They spend seventy
percent more on offense than defense. Big ten sixty two
(36:16):
to thirty eight split. The SEC is only fifty seven
to forty three, so much more. Even the SEC spends
the most on the D line, which would make some sense.
And in fact, if you look at the SEC spending
in general, just in the trenches outside of the ACC,
(36:36):
the SEC is the second highest as far as spending
an offensive line defensive line, so.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
They value that maybe more so than the quarterback spot.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Or Leave's really trying to get me to get off
this subject, but I think I find it kind of interesting.
High watermark, by the way, for quarterbacks three million, the
bridge four hundred and six thousand, all right, that's still
a lot, you know, don't get me wrong, guys, all
of this is a lot of money, but it's not
(37:10):
what everyone is.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
It's not what coaches are saying, people reporting.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
All this stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You know, it's it's it's just I'm just telling you
the numbers and what people will throw out there and
say are a long departure from what's in reality.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, well I know this.
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Speaker 2 (38:25):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly, all right, lead to lap who's got what?
As we do each and every week, we start with
the good, and you know it's good because we got
Brady delivering those goods.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
All football's back, man, it's easy. We got the NFL
starting tomorrow night. We got college football kicking off Week zero,
Week one, great matchups, the three the top top ten
matchups were awesome to watch, the atmospheres were awesome. And
then tomorrow night kicks off the NFL season Dallas Philly.
Cannot wait. It's the greatest time of here.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Can't have good without the bad, LeVar. What was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
The timing of losing Micah Parsons, of course, and for
the Dallas Cowboys going into a game that they might
have not even won with Micah on the team. It's
bad for the Dallas Cowboys. This week's bad for me
Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. And from bad to words, Jonas,
what was ugly? You're beasting?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Lee's got a beasting on his arm that looks like, uh,
a pterodactyl just injected him.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Was syphless and.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It's hot to the touch.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It was tulling up. Yeah, touched yesterday.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
His arm.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It was swelling up his arm from his wrist to
his elbow. They discussed it feels a little good after
a good night's sleep.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'll tell you that. So you didn't go get it
checked out, of course you did. Just just some sleep.
Did it good? Some sleep? Did it good? You You're
gonna stay sweet. Know sometimes sleep is the best medicine.
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And not using pot uh potty covers. We go to
the restroom in public jobs. Lee, you are a disgusting dude.
Bro
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David Mulligata, the agent for Micah Parsons, was on first take.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Of course, so he's talking that Yeah, of course he was.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
He was on first take, and he had a couple
of interesting, interesting things to say, one of which was
the quote unquote negotiation that Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones
allegedly had back in March when Micah got back from
being out of the country.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
This was his agent's take on that situation.
Speaker 6 (02:42):
As far as far as Mike's concerned, he was, you know,
he was out of the country. You got a call
from Jerry's assistant and was asked to come in to
me about leadership. So when he got back from his vacation,
he came in and he gave him a call, told
me he was back.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
He was ready to meet.
Speaker 6 (02:54):
At some point during that meeting that was represented to
him about it was going to be about leadership, could
turned into contract talk. And you know, if you're a
twenty five year old football player and your boss, who
happens to be the most powerful person in the NFL,
starts talking about contract it's hard for you in that conversation.
So they had a conversation. Micah nodded his head out
of respect. Obviously, there's a power dynamic that's a little
(03:17):
different there. One guy's the owner of the team and
the GM and the other one is Michael Parson is
a young twenty five year old football player, so I'm
not sure if there was a miscommunication there by the
time Michael walked out, But at no point did Michael
believe that he was negotiating contract.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So that was a that makes sense. I mean, that
checks out. I mean, what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Eh, Well, numbers were discussed, and there was another report
from Don Van Nada and Jeremy Fowler on ESPN that
said that Jerry and Micah had reportedly had the parameters
of the deal, and then Parsons called Stephen Jones after
that meeting to try and see if they could increase
(03:58):
some of the monies.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
In the contract. So I don't believe that, Okay, man, Okay,
I don't believe that. I don't. I don't believe that.
That's that's just my opinion on it. I don't. I
don't believe that to be true.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
I see what's happening there. I mean, he'll believe one
guy just won't believe the other.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I'm not a David Mullagetta fan either, but I'm just
saying I don't believe that to be true.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
That's all I'm gonna say. I don't. I don't believe
that to be true.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Like again, and even if they had the discussion, even
like and I feel like that checks out like they
are he had the discussion point they brought up numbers, this, that,
and the other. I just don't see Micah committing to
a parameter of a contract without talking with his agent.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
In fact, I would I would extend further.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
To say the vast majority of guys that are in
the NFL wouldn't do that without the involvement of their agent.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
Yes, so I think that's rather obvious. Well, the thing
I'd ask you is do you think they hadn't had
a conversation at any point about what a contract would
look like? Because what I think most likely happened is
it's he probably already had conversations with his agent before
about what they're looking for, what they're going for, and
then when Jerry asked him to come up, he's talking
(05:19):
to them about it. But by here's the thing is,
by no means when you're a player and an owner
general manager asked you to come up, do you believe that,
like you're actually negotiating the contract. You know what I'm saying,
Like you maybe put in some framework or talking about
some things, but like you're not like this doesn't pen
to paper, right, Like so many things have fallen through
(05:40):
in contracts, and this is out extends outside of football
because you know, whatever attorney's got involved or agents got
involved and they didn't like the language in certain clauses
in the contract and it fell through. That happens all
the time. So like the general point that I would
take is regardless of what was said in that meeting,
Like this isn't the good old days, Like that's not
(06:03):
how it works, Jerry. So I don't care if there
was like a verbal agreement or whatever you thought you
had had or you know, spit on your hands and
you know, shook hands.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Like the agent.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, you have to get in writing. Yeah, Like forget that,
you have to get in writing. Like Jerry Jones is
a savvy enough businessman to know that any deal he's
going to negotiate, there is not a word of mouth
negotiation like contract being taken place. That's not how the
NFL works. He knows that he just signed to Ron
Bland to that there was that just a spit on
their hands shake and there you go. Is that how
(06:35):
that worked? I mean like all this stuff is believable.
It's just when it comes down to it, none of
it's an actual contract, Like, none of it's actually on paper.
Both parties signed the agreement and that's the contract we're
want with moving forward. And obviously they couldn't come to that.
And you know, Micah was wise enough to make sure
his agent was involved. So look, a good thing for
(06:56):
Mike is he got his agent involved, he got the
deal he wanted. I just, you know, I wanted to
be able to get on the field and play and
see what Green Bays capable of this year.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think he'll play, and I think that this whole
conversation about what took place between Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
You tell guys, it is so old, and listen.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Jerry Jones has done how many contracts during the duration
of his career versus how many has Michael Parsons been
a part of. I don't act like this is on
Michael Parsons, Like that's whack is s. I don't act
like it's on Michael Parsons. Whatever it was that you
were trying to get done, Jerry, you try to get
it done. Find you try to get it done with
(07:41):
the player, but you also try to get that done
with the agent. And if that doesn't align, it doesn't align.
But don't try to make this mess out to be
like Micaeh like did the contract but didn't do the
contract and then his agent came and met No, don't
do that doesn't add up, It doesn't make sense. You're
(08:03):
you're a guy who is very, very experienced in running
a team. So don't put that out there like that,
because that's misleading. Even if you had that conversation, you
pay him, you're his employer. If he called you to
come in there and he talked to you about numbers
and you felt like and.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
It's easy, believe you me, it's easy.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
To feel like you have a close relationship with the
owner of the team. At times that does happen where
you have close conversations, you're in close quarters, you discuss things,
you discuss the future of the team. They try to
hit on your emotional strings and your chords and talk
about what the city means and all these things. Stop
(08:46):
putting that on Micah Parsons. The bottom line is a
contract wasn't done. You needed to talk to the agent
at some point in time, no matter what the conversation
that took place between you and Michael Park and everybody
needed to get on the same page. That didn't happen.
Just say we needed to get on the same page.
We weren't on the same page. And now Mike's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Like all this other stuff to try to justify one
thing over to another, this and that, it's a dumb
ass move. No matter how you slice it, it's a
dumb ass move.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't give a damn if Michael Parsons has.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Three good years left in that back, that's still a
horrible move. To allow Michael Parsons to leave, that's a
horrible move. And nothing you say, nothing you're gonna do.
Whether you agree with it that Micah's agent or not,
whether you listen to all of the speculation or the
things that get reported.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Out there or not.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
The bottom line is there's no justification for letting Michael
Parsons leave your team before his rookie contract was over.
You didn't do another contract with him. You can't justify it.
Let's just move on. I want to get your asses
kicked by phillym Go get that ass whipped, come back
(10:04):
and have to answer more questions about why you didn't
bring Michael Parsons back. You did this, Why don't you
go get your ass. Don't blame that on somebody else.
You did that.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
David Wullagatta also explain sort of the structure of the
contract and how the numbers came to be yesterday on
first stake as well too.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
From an APY stamp standpoint, you're just looking at the
average that there was offered to him. I believe it
was forty point five was the offer which would have
made him at the time from an APY standpoint, the
highest paid. That being said, the way the cash flower
structured over his first three new years, he would not
be paid as the highest player, highest paid player in
the NFL. So again that's why I say the devil's
(10:44):
in the details. And another important part of the contract
was a four year deal versus a five year deal.
Right when you look at that that fifth new year,
it could be the difference in thirty to forty million
dollars for the player. You know, if you look at
where the pass rusher market was a year ago, it
was at thirty five million or so, with Nick Moosa
now said forty seven million in one year with Michael Parsons.
So four years from now, what do you think that
number is. It's probably culture to sixty five to seventy
(11:06):
million dollars a year. And if we lock in that
fifty year currently at forty million dollars, just that year
loan is worth an additional thirty million dollars to Mike,
if not more.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
And that's not even counting.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
The rays that he got for the next four years
or the fact that the Packers were were you know,
we're good enough to us that they gave us the
fifth year option as a linebacker this year as opposed
to them, So that's an additional three million dollars. So
you know the difference between those two deals you're looking
that could be possibly, you know, sixty seventy million dollars
when it's all set and done.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I mean, first off, it's it's simple math, Like you
add on an additional year, your average per year goes down.
So thank you for the math lesson, David. The other
thing is that he doesn't really point out or doesn't
do a great job of explaining. It's the reason why
you want a four year of verus a five year
is it gives one less year of team control. So
in your negotiations, if Michael Parsons does what you think
he's going to do, you know, to his point about
(11:57):
what that final year in the contract is worth. Let's
say it's forty million, and the going rate average, you know,
per year is actually closer to fifty or whatever the
number is. You're renegotiating that contract center, right, because you're
pressing free agency sooner. So the duration of the deal
matters if it's not as long because to keep versus
(12:19):
depression year three versus year four. Yeah, and you're obviously
continuing to keep up with what the true market rate
is if he's obviously playing up up to those standards.
So that's how I describe why there is more value
placed on four years versus five for those reasons. And
he'll be, I believe, thirty years old if my math
(12:40):
is correct, as opposed to thirty one, which is again
the age that Trey Hendrickson is in. And obviously at
that point in time when you want to re up again,
it becomes a much more difficult task when you hit
that age of thirty to renegotiate versus twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I mean, so Basically, Jerry drug his feet and this
time it got him. He waited too long they were
talking contract and at the time.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
They could have did the contract bro and it was
before he waited too long, and it was before all
these other deals got done, but if they wanted to,
because you know, one of the other parts of the
report on ESPN was that finally when it came time
to have a discussion, Jerry Jones told Micah Parsons and
his agent because David Mulligetta did send an email over
(13:25):
to try.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And quote unquote one last ditch effort to get something done,
and Jerry and Steven wrote back and just said, look,
either he's going to play on the fifth year option.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Or he's going to get traded.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And the feeling was that the price had jumped so
much since when they first discuss had the discussion that
they were still going based on the original discussion back
in March, which is like.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
If that's forty million and you got a heavily backloaded contract,
that is that is a franchise friendly contract.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
But it's like that was before Max Crosby got done,
Miles Garrett got done, and that he you know, if
they really it just feels like if they wanted to
get it done, they would have gotten it.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Done, no matter when. Jonas, and it feels like that's
the thing, no matter when. It feels like the same
thing that happened with Mike McCarthy. Like Mike McCarthy, they
waited until the end, waited till the end.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Wait, Yeah, I guess we just decided if part ways
like no, you just you were in discussions to bring
him back and then it just didn't happen. It just
it feels like they are entering those dysfunctional organizations that
we talk about. They're entering those conversations now, the Jets,
the Panthers, like it just it's been a long time.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Since they've won.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
There's there's always chaos, and they're just probably not going
to be good and they just lost their best player
because of Shenanigan's It seems like I don't really feel
like surprises or luck play a play a part in
being successful in the league either, Like, is there a
(15:01):
chance that this team could be a competitive team, sure,
it's an NFL team, Is.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It actually feasible to think that they could get lucky
this year and have a Super Bowl run? They could
get lucky this year and win the NFC East. They
could get lucky this year and have great success. I
don't see that. I don't see that as being feasible.
Doesn't mean it can happen. I don't know what the
(15:30):
chances of that would be, the odds of that would be.
I just have never really seen a team get lucky
at being successful when they make dumbass decisions. I've never
seen it. I've never seen it happen. But maybe they'll
be the first ones. Maybe Jerry's the one to do it,
to change everything up and see things differently than what like.
(15:51):
I guess you can just get rid of great ballplayers.
I mean when we do all the things we do
to prepare for the draft, and you prepare for the
offseason for free agency, I guess you could say, you
know what, Hell, there isn't a premium on elite players.
We could just do it with other players, like we'll
do it with other guys. I guess that's where we're
hating with this.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, well, at least he got paid, so there's that.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
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we were talking earlier about how Brian Kelly took umbrance
with the comments from Dabo Swittey and how he graded
(18:51):
the LSU Clemson game, and it felt like a little
back and forth that Brian Kelly took a little personal
and then took some shots at him and said, hey, listen,
apparently maybe just didn't to watch the second half we dominated,
et cetera, et cetera. Well, another matchup we've got coming
up this weekend in college football is that you've got
Oklahoma State and you got Oregon. And Mike Gundy was
(19:12):
on The Mike Gundy Show and had some thoughts on
the spending and how the operations.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Are done there at Oregon, and it went like this.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think Oregon.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Spent close to forty last year alone.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Wow, so that was just one year.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
Okay, Now I might be off a few million, but
they're spending a lot of money. They spent a lot
of money, you know, and there's some schools that are
doing that.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So it might be off a few million, Dan, just
a few.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Dan Lanning of Oregon heard the comments and had this
to say, I.
Speaker 9 (19:58):
Got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately he's
a great coach.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
They've done an unbelievable job.
Speaker 9 (20:13):
But I want to be a team that's competing at
the highest level, and we're really fortunate to be in
that situation.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
So I can't speak on their situation.
Speaker 9 (20:21):
I have no idea. You know What's what they got
in their pockets over there. I'm sure U T. Martin
maybe didn't have as much as them last week.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
So yikes.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I love this, I really do. I just like man,
it was a quick bit of shade at the end.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It's just a quick bit, all that build up just
to just just to throw grenade.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
At him, right shake, grenade came right at the end.
He ain't said they didn't spend the money. I'll tell
you that Cats is out here trying to figure out
how to get as much as they can during this
new era of college for I mean, you guys see
the reports hitting with with you know, with Penn State
(21:05):
and with Nike and Adidas. I mean, that's it's a
very real thing getting that type of endorsement and backing
from different companies. Obviously Oregon is a Nike school, but
you're talking about just the idea of what you're able
to do in order to continue to be attractive to
(21:28):
these athletes. Because the gold posts in terms of how
you impress a player and getting them the one to
come and getting them the one to stay.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
The gold post they've moved. They've certainly moved.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, I'm trying to look into the Uh. There's a
thing called a black book from Open Doors. Open Doors
is a marketplace that is able to provide transparency because
where a lot of these deals are done between universities
and student athletes. They use these marketplaces because it helps
provide the proper you know, tax documentation compliance, you know forms,
(22:10):
et cetera, and then obviously the contract. It makes it
really easy. It's it's kind of like if you had
a DocuSign right, you know, someone signs a contract to you,
send that online, you sign up on the docu sign.
The reason why I'm trying to find this is because,
like the numbers that have been thrown out are overstated.
I've said this for years, and this black book actually
provides you with our data, not like what one coach says,
(22:34):
not when some other coach says, like I was in
this too deep for too long to know how much
smoke is blown, to know how much these schools promise players,
they don't actually get what they're promising, and it's a
lot lower number some of the data. When when I
can find this to share, which I don't have to
(22:54):
my fingertips right now, you'll be like, oh, okay. It's
one of the biggest frustrating parts about all this is
everyone hypes up what kids are getting paid. And don't
get me wrong, the top one percent are being paid handsomely,
but there is ninety nine percent that are not, and
it's actually greater than that. It's probably like point zero
(23:16):
three percent are actually being paid these gaudy numbers. The
rest not as much as not as much as being reported.
So it's It's interesting to me because you hear coaches
go back and forth about how much they spend and
how much they're someone else is spending. Just create transparency, like,
just create transparency and then the reality is too now
(23:37):
we know like based on what they have to share
because the house ncaa settlement. Well, you you have that
allotment of money, like that alligment's there for you, so
you can't cry poor like you've got that money. Is
that you're spending on your football program and how your
university decides to spend it's on them. But you know
that's for you to argue with your athletic director or
(23:58):
you know, your board, the powers that be, the border regions.
I would just say this though, you shouldn't believe everything
you hear now just already have deeper pockets in Oklahoma
State of course, without a doubt. And Dan Lenning brings
up a good point, where is that if this is
the world of college football that we're living in, yeah,
you better be invested in winning. It's a great line.
(24:19):
It's an amazing line because like Ohio State last year,
like Michigan the year before that, you know, one of
the biggest things they're trying to do is retain players
that could go to the NFL, their NFL caliber players,
but with another year they might improve their draft stock.
(24:39):
Maybe they won't, but what you're seeing is those players
are more valued at the college level than they are
at the pro level. Like Will Howard, was it what
a six round draft pick? I think the Pittsburgh this year?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Jonas?
Speaker 5 (24:53):
Yeah, he made over a million dollars last year as
being the starting quarterback at Ohio State. He will make
less money going in to be a Pittsburgh Steelers, an
NFL quarterback than he made last year at Ohio State.
It's pretty great. There's a movement right now by the
way of a thought. I don't know why, but that
(25:17):
they were just going to say everyone gets five years
of eligibility, like forget redshirts, just to have five years
of eligibility, just completely changing the eligibility rules.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
It makes sense to me.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Well, here's where it doesn't make sense is this was
all tied back to basically your education. You had four
years you're getting it takes you four years to get
your degree. You should take four years. Most of these
kids do summer school. Some even come in with credits.
Nowadays from high school. So some are able to graduate
in three years because they've almost got a year of
college before they even get there. So to me, here's
(25:49):
the problem with the five years of eligibility. It kind
of begs the question of like, well, then why stop there?
Why not six? Why not seven? Why not make it infinite?
Like why is is there any stopping point that if
that's the case, And the point is because it was
never meant to be the stopping point for you in
(26:10):
your career, like your pursuits, the education, the degree. Yes,
football at that at that level, but it's eventually to
then play in the NFL. If you're just straight making
this a professional sport. Now, well now you're in competition
with the NFL, and now you've got to kind of
rethink a lot of things and how this whole thing
is structured. So when people say, well, yeah, they should
(26:31):
just have you know, five years, five years of playing,
it's like no, Like, I don't think an eighteen year
old kid should be going up against guys who are
that much older. Like I'm sorry, Like I'm still a believer.
There's seventeen year old kids. Ryan Wims last year, Malachi
Toni this year from Miami. The wide receivers had a
great game. He's seventeen. You really want to going up
(26:53):
against twenty three, twenty four year old guys.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But that's always been a vailable.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
It hasn't always been.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
It hasn't.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
That's the way it.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Has come in and play like, dudes, come, can you.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Know how rare it is? Because outside of if you're
in the Mormon faith and you do missions or you
go off and do whatever and come.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Back from a baseball yeah, play is like sure.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Every everyone's got one. Everyone's got one, everyone's known of
a guy that's point zero two percent. Like, if you
make policy or you make decisions based on the point
zero one percent, you're making bad decisions then because it
doesn't impact or impacts everyone else who doesn't fall into that.
So I would sit there and say, like, there's given
(27:31):
four years. If they want a red shirt, great, but
at some point you got to move on. Man, This
isn't This isn't the end point of your professional sports career.
If you're good enough, you play in the NFL. If
you're not, you don't you move on. So I know
we got off on a tangent there. I just I
look at it and just go. At some point, this
sport has to realize that it's either trying to be
(27:54):
like the NFL and we're moving in that direction, or
you're not, but you got there's gotta be a dividing line.
It's point because everything keeps inching closer and close and
closer to basically a league that's gonna compete with the
NFL at some point.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I think the percentage obviously a small making it into
the NFL. So while people may have that as a
hope and a dream as their final destination, that's not
that's not a large percentage. So I feel like if
you're making a decision based on what you're doing in
college and it isn't based off of making it into
(28:29):
the league, I mean, if we're if we're doing it
based off of guys getting drafted or trying to keep
them in for their you know, their last year of school,
but they're pro guys, that that's a that's also a
small percentage of people.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Right And by the way, and I would argue this,
one of my issues with that is those those players
are being paid a premium at this level because they're
valued at this level, like for example, Ohio State instead
of going with Joy and saying last year, who obviously
have started this year a red shirt freshman, you know,
(29:04):
or Notre Dame for that matter. Both teams have played
in the National Championship in Miami. Well, yeah, I mean
supposed to go to the pros. Beck, Yeah, Beck this
year and cam Ward last year. Whoever you want to
point to, you know, those guys and Camboard is different
because Camboard went through and elevated his draft stock, right,
he became the number one overall pick, and Ben Beck's
(29:24):
probably looking to elevate it. But the point I'm trying
to make is instead of going with guys who would
have been true freshmen like Joy and San or a CJ. Carr,
they went with older guys. They went with Riley Lennon.
They went with Will Howard, both guys who both, mind you,
I think they both got drafted in sixth round. Right,
So guys who are literally made more last year in college,
(29:47):
then they'll make in the NFL because they were valued
more at that level. But then they go up to
that level. It's an entirely different conversations. So my general
point is, like you're paying a premium for something where
like back in the old days, like if you were
good enough you left after three years, you're left after
four maybe you had a red tree still left. Like nowadays,
we're like overpaying for guys who the NFL is looking
(30:08):
at and being like, yeah, maybe they'll be able to
be a starter one day or a backup. It's just
a wild conversation to have, especially when you talk to
you talked about like all the things you need to
do to get a kid who come to your school.
It's like, yeah, and may not even be a guy
who's like an NFL caliber guy.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
I mean, look at your door.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
How much was he making last year versus what he
makes this year salary wise, you know that's a downgrade.
I mean he's still making it off the field, but
he was making it off the field and the lead.
I bet you if he could have stayed another year
at Colorado, you would have stayed.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
You imagine you guys back when you were playing, if
somebody pulled you aside and said, hey, by the way,
if you go to the NFL, you gotta take a
pay cut.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
That whole day, it's just wild. It would be a
nice position to be in.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
I say that, but I was making like seven to
fifty an hour at the Office of News and Information
in the CANNEP Center. Yeah, scrounged together change for like pizza.
Oh yeah, a lot of a Psalm's basement.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Oh yeah, I remember those moments.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
That's just it's interesting because I'm a brander, I'm a
chronic serial brander, and I would have had everything I'm
doing now, I would have had that going back then.
Just give me a dollar off of all of the
jerseys you sold during that time. Give me a dollar
off of all the merch you sold during the time
(31:34):
I was in school.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, someone's eventually going to sue someone to try
to create the precedent. I mean, Reggie obviously tried to
go back, even though statue of limitations already passed. But
he tried to go back with that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
I don't know imagine how much.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And I mean for me, here's what's crazy for me,
because Joe made it the tradition that you don't have
your names on the back. I don't really have a
case anyway, because you could say, oh, well, it's not
about you, it's about this one, or it's about that one,
or it's about that one. Like there's no names on
the back. We don't have names either, But I think
(32:08):
i'd have a decent case. You think so, I mean,
how many other tens? I mean if you got a
decent case, then I'm winning.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Matt Leveka.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You can't get a little love here.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
I just like all you'd have to do is you'd
have to go back and say, Okay, how many of
this number of jerseys, like this specific number did you
sell before this date? And then how many did you
stell during this period? And then how many did you
sell after?
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Huh wow? A receiver warm out? It wasn't a two
waight number, and a receiver was where my number when
I came it?
Speaker 2 (32:43):
It?
Speaker 8 (32:44):
Now?
Speaker 3 (32:44):
No, I'm not.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I do very well, So I'm cool. But it would
be an interesting conversation though. In case study, when.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
You hear Mike Gundy, you know, explain how much Oregon
pays and how much Oklahoma state.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
That's a showd Landing gave the whole quote. You gave
the whole quote, right.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, I just how much of that was Mike Gundy
taking a shot at Dan Lanning in Oregon and how
much of that was him saying it out loud to
his own people, like, Hey, we got to step our game.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
That's frustration.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, that's frustration, man, Like why wouldn't you want a
big university to invest more into the Like you say
you want the benefits, you want to reap the benefits
of what comes with having elite football. Elite football out
of school drives the school, drives, the town, drives everything
(33:37):
you say you want it, but when it comes down
to it, you do things that would actually contradict what
it is that you're saying you want, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
If roles were reversed, And by the way, hasn't Oklahoma
State tried some stuff like haven't they had ideas about
like didn't they have the bar code on the back
of the player helmet or something like that where you
could donate to the to the player's nil fund or
something like.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
There was a QR code idea they had that.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I think the somebody squashed the NCAA got involved in
squash it or whatnot. So they've tried to come up
with some but it just I wonder if more of
that is Mike going to being like, hey, can we
can we step up our game here? Because yeah, Dan
Lanning like they spend a lot of money, so what
what are they supposed to do, not spend it so
they could be on an even playing field with everybody else.
(34:23):
If you're trying to play it and compete at that level,
I just I don't know that it's necessarily a shot
at organ.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
Everybody's trying to win.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Some programs and schools understand that they got to put
in that pain for it to be more of a realistic,
more realistic goal to win it all. Some teams are
trying to win, some programs are trying to win. Some
programs are trying to win it all. And I think
that comes down to the leadership from the the athletic
(34:53):
director to the president of the school and then everybody
else after that.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Yeah, I do have some numbers for By the way,
what you got According to Open Doors, which conference do
you believe spent the most or highest percentage of their
budget on quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
On quarterbacks on quarterbacks? BacT twelve.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Okay, thanks Jonas. I'm going stay with the Big Ten.
I think the Big ten everything these days.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I say Big ten created drum roll plays, drum roll
please as it's coming.
Speaker 8 (35:27):
It's coming.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Oh no a time, I don't.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
Know it's thanks Lona.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
The Big ten spent the least amount on their quarterbacks
in comparison to the other Power of four conferences. In fact,
the Big twelve spent twenty three percent little over twenty
three percent of their rev share on quarterbacks. The Big
Ten spent fourteen point four what to CC do fifteen,
(35:54):
So actually the ACC spends more on the quarterbacks than
the Big Ten as well. There's just some other interesting notes.
Almost every single conference spends more money on offense than defense.
The most glaring difference is the ACC. They spend seventy
percent more on offense than defense. Big ten sixty two
(36:16):
to thirty eight split. The SEC is only fifty seven
to forty three, so much more. Even the SEC spends
the most on the D line, which would make some sense.
And in fact, if you look at the SEC spending
in general, just in the trenches outside of the ACC,
(36:36):
the SEC is the second highest as far as spending
an offensive line defensive line, so.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
They value that maybe more so than the quarterback spot.
Speaker 5 (36:49):
Or Leave's really trying to get me to get off
this subject, but I think I find it kind of interesting.
High watermark, by the way, for quarterbacks three million, the
bridge four hundred and six thousand, all right, that's still
a lot, you know, don't get me wrong, guys, all
of this is a lot of money, but it's not
(37:10):
what everyone is.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
It's not what coaches are saying, people reporting.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
All this stuff.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You know, it's it's it's just I'm just telling you
the numbers and what people will throw out there and
say are a long departure from what's in reality.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, well I know this.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
I mean, if they ever wanted to try an Olympic
or a Paralympic sport, they had a try fencing. It's fast,
it's safe, it's easy to start. Find a beginner class
near you at USA Fencing dot org slash try fencing.
That USA fencing dot org slash try Fencing coming up next. Here,
we are going to hand down an award. In fact,
we're going to hand out three of them. It's the good,
the bad, and the ugly right here on.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Fs are be sure to catch live editions of Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington,
and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
LaVar, Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
off top of X. Now we're a little over ten
minutes from now, we're gonna catch up with the old
p Petros papadakas he will be yours here on FSR.
Right now, though, it is time for a little something
we do every single week, and it's called this.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly, all right, lead to lap who's got what?
As we do each and every week, we start with
the good, and you know it's good because we got
Brady delivering those goods.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
All football's back, man, it's easy. We got the NFL
starting tomorrow night. We got college football kicking off Week zero,
Week one, great matchups, the three the top top ten
matchups were awesome to watch, the atmospheres were awesome. And
then tomorrow night kicks off the NFL season Dallas Philly.
Cannot wait. It's the greatest time of here.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Can't have good without the bad, LeVar. What was bad
this week?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
The timing of losing Micah Parsons, of course, and for
the Dallas Cowboys going into a game that they might
have not even won with Micah on the team. It's
bad for the Dallas Cowboys. This week's bad for me
Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys. And from bad to words, Jonas,
what was ugly? You're beasting?
Speaker 4 (39:30):
Lee's got a beasting on his arm that looks like, uh,
a pterodactyl just injected him.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Was syphless and.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
It's hot to the touch.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
It was tulling up. Yeah, touched yesterday.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
His arm.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It was swelling up his arm from his wrist to
his elbow. They discussed it feels a little good after
a good night's sleep.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'll tell you that. So you didn't go get it
checked out, of course you did. Just just some sleep.
Did it good? Some sleep? Did it good? You You're
gonna stay sweet. Know sometimes sleep is the best medicine.
Yes it is.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
And not using pot uh potty covers. We go to
the restroom in public jobs. Lee, you are a disgusting dude.
Bro
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