October 6, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys talk about the Patriots upsetting the Bills and the great job Mike Vrabel is doing in New England, the Broncos handing the Eagles their first loss of the season, a loophole that needs to be corrected, FSR IR, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:52):
Your Monday morning.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
We appreciate you doing so, as we take you all
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And look, we were trying. We were trying to tell
one LeVar Arrington that the New England Patriots are on
the rise, that the New England Patriots are the next
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best team in the AFC East next to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, what are you gonna concede this?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
By the way, they look good.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean the Dolphins got beat by the Panthers and
the Jets got blown out.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, Jets look like they same as all right, so
again and Miami sank too, so yeah, I mean, there
you go. They're like in position to win the division.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I actually love how LeVar plays this, by the way,
and I know it says like maturity he's older. He
really does squash any gloating we can have because he's like, yeah, yeah, no,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, You're like, well, this isn't fun. He's not even reacting.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Can you put up more of a fight? Please?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Try to get like big brother to do something.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What do you want me to say?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm gonna do what. Everything's something to do?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Who's coming with me? All I want to know is
who's coming with me? Yeah? That was I mean Buffalo.
When Josh Allen turned the ball over on whatever that
handoff was to uh my cousin Dawson Knox, I looked
at it and said, all right, this might go a
little bit sideways here, and they rolled out their own
version of a wide out and you know, they gave
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it their best and they just did not look good
last night at all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I loved what Mike Frabel did. It was a like
as the six to three score halftime, I was like, Yeah,
that's exactly what Mike Frabel wants. The Patriots aren't built
to win against them in a shootout, so what do
you do. You make it ugly and you try to
limit their ability to run, which I believe Josh Allen
ended up being the leaguing rusher, but as far as
the backs go, James Cook, they limited him. And you
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make it ugly, man like, you make this as ugly,
low scoring game as you could. Like, that's I mean
to me, that's just like the age old Bill Belichick
style may be called a like verbel style. If you
don't feel like you can match up in that way,
you make them play your your style of game, and
I thought the Patriots did that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Speaking of Mike Rabel, he spoke after the big win
for New England on the road.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
We're confident coming in here, so I guess it don't
probably help, but we'll have to start over and continue
to improve. We talked about how we have to improve
along the way and this was the next step that
we needed to take. So we'll pick up the pieces
and get back to work as soon as we get
on the plane, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Want to start faster.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
But we finished really well and you don't settle down.
And so again, I'm just really proud of the whole
team for being able to come into this road environment.
You know, we talk about there's a lot of other
people that had cracks of meeting them here. You know,
for fourteen games, they had to opportunity and we uh
and those players took advantage of that opportunity and and
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beat a really good football team.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And Stefan Diggs was out there getting it in. Yeah, man,
payback game. It's the best he's looked in a long time,
looked really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That well, I mean that's a big win. You go
into Buffalo to get that win, that's a big win.
And they gave Miami their opportunity to take their toast
yesterday as there's no more unbeatens left in the NFL.
But man, that was Uh. Do do I want to
say that was a statement game? Like have they is?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It? Is it legit to say.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That that New England is good enough to say that
they have put the Division on notice.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I don't know that I'm ready to go that far,
but that was a very, very big, big victory for
Rabes and uh And and the rest of that New
England team. For certain, they'll be in the wildcar hunt.
If the Division gets away from him. I'm gonna be
in their wild card hunt. They could get one of
those last spots based on how how bad some of
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these other teams have looked. I mean Baltimore's they I
mean put dirt on them whatever I saw the number
they had last night. Baltimore has given up more yards
or given up more points in the last five weeks
during a five week stretch than any time in franchise history.
That was the only thing that made me feel good.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
About myself after Saturday, was the fact that Baltimore is
playing the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's it could always makes you feel good because it's
the man I had no you know, the guy that
had no shoes felt bad until he saw the guy
that had no feet. Then the guy that had no
feet saw the guy that had no legs, you know
what I mean, Like I just looked at Baltimore. Bad
people yeah, I do too, but I don't feel I
feel like now I can say, well it at least
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I have legs, you know, East, I have feet. I
mean I don't have sneakers, but I have feet. You know,
have feet If you don't have legs, though, no, you cannot. No,
I was just saying, no, Jonas, you can't. I mean,
mister potato head doesn't have any legs. He's got feet,
doesn't he? No you, I mean he does have feet.
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Could you put it in the bottom. But we're not
talking about potato hits.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He's even got bigger calves than me. It's embarrassing. So
the uh you really made a mister potato hit reference.
I was trying to be serious here, but well, and
in terms of the white out, was that a Pagoula thing?
Did he take that from from State College? And and
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maybe yeah, they were. They were all all dressed. It's
pretty dope. Fred Jackson came out and uh, you know,
tried to get him all fired up before the game.
Dope running back. And look if if you know you
want to take that same approach that you take and
you are the Buffalo Bills in that fan base, and
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you wanted to look around and feel better about yourself.
I mean, that's why God created the Jets. That's why.
Because that team sucks. Everybody deserves to have that one
team that makes you feel good about your team, and
that is the Jets. If they're the only team in
the NFL without a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They have so much talent on that team and it
will never outperform dysfunction.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, what's crazy, too, is Aaron Glen's a defensive mind. Right, Like,
if there's one side of the ball you think would
be playing well, it'd be the defensive side. New quarterback,
new offensive system. You can you can imagine their struggles,
but the fact that they're struggling defensively.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, by the way, the Patriots upset over the Bills
was big for our picks this week. Just throw that
out there was a big Well, Jonas had an awful week.
It was more between you and I LeVar. Yeah, Jonahs,
I think you're a one and four. And also, can
you explain the tweeting of the Bengals plus ten and
a half still alive?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right? So because you didn't cover Yeah, so the
Bengals looked like they were dead in the water in
that game. And they were from a win loss standpoint,
but from a point spread standpoint. All of a sudden
they scored on the Jamar Chase touchdown. I had Bengals
plus ten and a half and they were now trailing
by eleven, and I was like, okay, maybe they get
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a stop here. Yeah, they go down and you know,
like make a run of this whole thing, and then
ultimately no, they give them another touchdown. They scored again,
but at that point they.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Lost by thirteen. It is the point. Yeah, it was
a loser.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So my whole thing was I was happy to see
the safety because they lost by three, because had they
lost by eleven, I would have lost by captain hook.
And I don't like losing by captain hook. So at
least I can say it was a legitimate loss, a
legitimate loss. But your numbers is bad, man. You're knocks lock,
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yeah or not knocks unlocks. And by the way, I
don't know, I don't think we need to be rude,
shuck or mean about it to where we've now got
to put the winning percentages up in the Google.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, that's that's how we're going to actually determine who wins.
So we we That's why I like LeVar right now
is leading overall in the season at twenty four and
ten with a seven hundred and five win percentage. I'm
right there at seven hundred and twenty one and nine,
and then you're a sub five hundred at thirteen and four.
How knocks locks go?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This weekend? Two and one?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
What were the ones? What were the two?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You want to Tampa Bay plus three and a half?
I got Tampa Bay and the other one that was.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
One of ours?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Which you do? What was what was the other one? God,
I'm blanket here? What was all? New Orleans? That was crazy? Okay,
that was a crazy right now now to here? And
I had no there was no handicapping involved in this.
There was no deep dive. It was simply.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was also, why would New Orleans be favored over anybody?
Somebody knows something? And then the Giants went out and
you realize it was a nice little friendly reminder. Oh yeah,
the Giants still aren't good. Like they're still not good.
Spencer Ratler picks up his first his first win as
a starter in the NFL. So, yeah, that was There
was a lot of a lot of hype, a lot
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of buzz about Cam Scataboo and Jackson Dart and all that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You see that block he threw on that defensive lineman
Scataboo pancake.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I don't know how long last? How long is
he gonna last?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I don't know, enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why I last?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Are we still hyping up this whole New York thing?
Because I feel like it's all hype there's not Actually,
there's not much there.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
There's not much there.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I mean, I'm not saying that Jackson Dart is not
going to develop into a good quarterback, but like a
side of the athleticism, you know, is he gonna last?
Like he's gonna get banged around and hit around? He's not.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's not Cam Newton, He's not a Donnist like that.
They're not a good team. Now can they be a
good team?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You said that day Ball is not on the hot seat.
I can't see how he isn't.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, I here's what I'll say now, is I
feel I've had a couple of conversations where I feel
differently a bit about it now, in part because I
didn't think the season was gonna go as bad as
it has. I thought defensively they got some pieces, but offensively,
when you're an offensive mine head coach and it goes
this way like kind of on you, right, So that's
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that's the hard part. And they've gone to the rookie
and yeah, they got to win, but it wasn't like
it was a goat a dominant offensive performance. So that's
that's what I'm I'm concerned by. The Other interesting thing
is I also think it's two years in a row
the Giants have been plagued by guys who left and
then have played really well elsewhere. Sa Quana's Offensive Player
of the Year maybe MVP. Daniel Jones is playing phenomenal,
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phenomenal And you know what, the one thing they said
to me was because one of their coaches was in
a quarterback room with Daniel and he made the comment
he said, you know, and we both played for day
Ball and he said, yeah, he wasn't going to really
react well or take day Balls coaching. Well, they're like
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how Shane coaches quarterbacks, how he calls the game, sees
the game, the things that he gives them in the game.
It's way more conducive for Daniel Jones to have success
in the system, and so people are like, well what
does that mean? Okay, Like there's some offensive coordinators who
they'll call they're called them carry plays c A RI.
I call it and run it. So you have coordinators
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at times that will handcuff you and they'll lock you
in no play that could be into a bad look,
and that's just their style. That's what they want.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
There's some that they don't have hots build in. They
have quick answers in the drop back pass, but they
don't have a hot a side adjust. So there's like
legitimately offenses in the NFL, and then granted this is
you know for me playing eleven years ago, that are
archaic in ways, and then there's offenses where like you
allow the quarterback to go up and make the best
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decision and put your team in the right play from
two or three plays, which is the best way to
do it ultimately. And that's what Shane Steigen's doing. That's
plays with Daniel Jones cerebral ability and play and how
he studies and prepares and you see it, like you
see how this team's performing now. Granted he's got a
better old line. They're running game with Jonathan Taylor's phenomenal,
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and they've got weapons obviously Tyler Warren and the rest
of the guys to throw to, which helps too. But
the environment and the style of coaching is way better
for Daniel Jones. And you know, talk to the colts.
They kind of echo that. And they're not the only people.
There's other people that kind of echoed that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Ah Man.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, New York is just one of those teams
where you would expect them to be better this year
based upon what you hear about DA Ball. And again,
they do have pieces on defense, and they do have
pieces on offense. But I agree it is interesting to
see guys leaving and having success, which, by the way,
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I will add it makes more sense that they should
have went for that record last year with Saquan because
he will not come nowhere near and that might not be,
that might be for the rest of his the entirety
of his career. Sometimes we don't look at the magnitude
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of an accomplishment until it's far gone, far away. If
you thought that he was going to be able to
have the same level of success that he did on
the ground last year, like that was a magical year,
they really should have tried to finish it out. I know,
I just bring it up, regardless of where he went
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to school or what my relationship is with him. I
felt like that was a horrible decision to be that
close to cracking a record that seemingly is insurmountable, and
for what, Like, I get it all right, we want
to stay healthy for the playoffs. And they did win
the Super Bowl, so that does justify it quite a bit.
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But I don't know, man, you're that close to the record,
you go ahead and go try to get it.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man. And because the Saquon conversation, you know, there's you know,
Philly's offense and all that stuff that we're going to
get into. Can I ask you something about the Giants though,
because this is where I feel bad for and I
think cam Ward's going to be in this boat as
well too. Let's just say, based on what we've seen
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from the Giants, based on how many years day Ball's
been there, based on Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley looking
the way they did after they left there, so we're
all in agreement, it looks like Brian Davon and Joe
Shane are going to be gone. That they're going to
clean house. So then it's a hot seat.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I ain't gonna say they gonna get rid of them,
but I mean it's certainly on the table at this
point you'd have to assume.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So then two years in, Jackson Dart's already going to
be in a new regime and they didn't draft him,
and the same thing's gonna probably happen with cam Ward
the next people take it over. I me's what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's the blessing and the curse of being really good
going into the draft is you're going to find yourself
in an ft up situation, and more than likely you're
not going to be good enough to overcome the environment
that you're in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold were competing for
the Carolina job. They've been in multiple places, and they're
two right now, maybe two of what top three four
cores in the NFC. The way they're playing.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Daniel Jones, you throw him in the conversation as far
as well, there are two of the top quarterbacks right
now the way they're playing, like forget the conference quarterbacks,
Like this is why And you always say it to
fans and we go, that's all right, that situation and circumstance.
That's the case in any job you take. And what's
interesting about what you just said, LeVar, is the league
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is set up for parody. How do they accomplish that.
They reward the teams that stink the most with the
top picks with the assumption that those more talented players
will be able to raise the level of play for
those teams. So is that player focused or is that
team focused? Well, it's obviously team focus because they want
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there to be parody in the league. I would argue
right now that the way the NFL is run actually
fails players now more than ever. You have limit it
off seasons, you have the shortest time to actually develop
if there's any of that, even though there's no development anymore,
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and they move on from coaching staffs so fast that
to your point, Jonas, these guys never have a chance
to really settle in and learn an offense and grow
from that. So you know, this has been an age
old tale for guys who got drafted to bad football teams.
But the reality is it's the same damn teams. And
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yesterday was an example of how many how many games
are close Yesterday outside of Sunday Football. How many were close?
Miami Carolina too bad football teams? Like you could say
that the comeback by the way between who is it?
Arizona and Tennessee, which, by the way, we'll get into that,
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we'll get into that debacle of the game. But you
really go through and look at the games laest year,
you're like, all right, I mean maybe I guess Minnesota
and Cleveland was close.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That was a close one.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I think Minnesota came back. But if you and I
were willing to bet, I bet money line on certain franchises,
like the top six that were anticipating, and there's some
surprises like Baltimore's was a surprise this year. They're struggling.
If we did that, I guarantee you year of a
year of their ten year twenty year span, you'd be
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up decent money, pretty big.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Money, eh man. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Oh side note, Oh we had one of the craziest
and we'll talk to Dean about this tomorrow. But it
literally makes no sense. And like Chris Myers and I
were trying to like figure this out, and I'm sure
fans listening were like, what is up with these idiots?
Like why can't they figure this out. So here's the scenario.
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The Colts are kicking a pat Spencer. Strader, the kicker
kicks makes it, but I think it was Tristan McCollum
who ran through his plant leg which is roughing the kicker.
So the Colts contemplated it and they're like, well, we're
gonna go for two then because they get the ball
to one. But they then decided like, maybe we should
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take the point because Strader's hurt. He's not gonna be
able to kick the rest of the game. So we
went like guaranteed points here and like we'll take that
one and then we'll institute it on the kickoff, all right,
So they instituted on the kickoff. So Sanchez the punter
is now kicking off because Strader's out, he's kicking the
ball from the fifty. Okay, because that's how they implemented
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the penalty from the actual pat right, Well, Sanchez kicks
it out of bounds, which you would think that then
the Raiders would get more advantageous field position, right like
usually they get the ball on the forty. If that's
the case, that's the penalty for that. Well, what ended
up happening the Raiders got the ball in the twenty five.
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So if you're wondering, like, how the hell did they
come to that conclusion, what we were told is that,
as the rule stated, the ball is then moved to
twenty five yards from where the ball is kicked. All right,
the ball is kicked from the fifty. So somehow, some way,
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it's a loophole where and if this ever happens again.
And I don't know that Shane Steichen was aware of
this because he looked mad at his Yah Sanchez, who
was filling in for kicking. But the Raiders actually were
penalized for the Colts kicking it out of bounds on
a kickoff because the Colts accepted the penalty from the
roughing the kicker, and so they started on twenty five
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instead of starting on I don't know forty or wherever
else it should have been, because the rule is it's
twenty five yards from where the ball was kicked, So
if it's kicked from the thirty five, for example, it'd
be on the forty, which is normally where it's kicked from.
So it is one of the weirdest, like dumbest things
I've ever heard of, and obviously with this new rule
and kickoffs and everything else, I think the NFL is
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still figuring their way through it. But we were like
trying to contact back with my prayer in LA. We
were trying to contact the New York office. Well, like,
can we get an explanation on this, because it doesn't
make any sense that the kicking team who kicked it
out of bounds isn't pedalized for it, and meanwhile the
receiving team is the one that has to actually face
the burden of the penalty from it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The part I don't get when loophole situations come up
where there's been stuff to where Belichick will find a
loophole and a rule and Mike Rabel did it to
Belichick in a playoff game, like you know, as far
as the clock goes, Like, does the NFL not think
through every possible scenario so there's not a loophole?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I will easily answer yes to that because that's how
they handle everything. Like again, when they took on a
lot of the off the field issues and and how
players conducted, the player conduct they didn't think through like, oh, well,
well here's the issue. Is every you can't have a
set standard policy like for one, you know, issue or
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crime if you will, because everything's different, right, Like there's
there's different circumstances scenarios that could play out. And yet
that's how the NFL operates, Like if we were to
show up late, there's a standard amount of money that
you'd be fined for certain things within the Collective Bargaining Agreement,
So everything else is standardized, and that's how they try
to apply when you've got you know, the NFL and
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you know, arguing with the union and everything is agreed
upon in the CBA. Yet that's not how the world works.
Like things are you know, more complicated than that. So
my my issue is if I was a coach, I'd
be coaching my edge rushers on any Pat uh field goal,
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go run right through the kicker because we're going to
take it vantage of that little loophole. We're gonna knock
out the kicker. We're gonna take advantage of the loophole
and nor does to kick the ball out of balance
and we're going to force those guys to be back
at twenty five.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
What an odd glitch. Yeah, well maybe Blandino can clear
that up for us. Tomorrow after we hear the Godfather
music when he makes his appearance. It is Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
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on a short week, somehow Someway justin Cooper's fired up?
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Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean went into Philly though, Yeah, and ain't
like they got them in the mouth high. They went
to the city of brotherly Love and showed them love.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Early kickoff, short week, trailing, and somehow Someway they get
back in that game and the Denver Broncos pull off
the big win.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Is it neat for concern if you're looking at the
Eagles And here's the reason why I'll throw that out
out there. Here's why I'm gonna throw it out there.
Let me qualify. They have not won very much convincingly.
They have had you know, the obviously the block walk off,
(27:17):
you know, run at the end of the game to
win the game. Now, granted they could have won the
game rams yeah, but they they seemingly were getting out
classed and outmatched in the first half of that game.
I just wondered, Now you run into a game where
it doesn't go your way, I mean, should there be
any cause for concern moving forward? Is this team as
(27:40):
good as we think they are?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So that's why I really like the opposite conversation on
this game, because I do think Philly is really good.
They've beat a really good Bucks team, a really good
Rams team, albeit miraculous, like you said, a Chiefs team
that's still gonna be the mix, and a really good
Dallas team. I think this game said more about the
Broncos that it did about Philly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I think when you look at through the through the Broncos, like,
let's go back to the Colts loss. They won that game,
people tend to forget. I think what was on a
defensive It was leveraging that they called on the missed
Fueld goal by Strader, he got to rekick it. They
did the penalty, he got the rekick. That ended up
being the difference in that game. Otherwise Denver had a won.
You know, you go back to the Chargers game too,
(28:23):
another kind of like tightly contested game that could have
won either way. They completely controlled the Titans week one,
they crushed the Bengals in Week four, and now you
look at them going on the road. As you guys
have all kind of pointed out, I think if there's anything,
I'm buying stock in the Broncos. And really, you know,
talking to the coaching staff of the Colts, you know,
(28:44):
as I said, who's the best defense you faced? And
they're like, well, maybe the I don't know if I
should be saying this, maybe the Broncos. I go, really,
I was like, what about the Rams, you know, and
that was a game obviously they ended up losing, and
they go, no, don't get me wrong, They're really talented
up front, They're really good. They're like, people underestimate how
(29:04):
good that Broncos defense is. So I'm a buyer right
now what Sean Payne's doing and building there in Denver
with that team. You know, bo Nicks always has the
red ass, at least it seems like it. I love
the direction they're going. And I also think if you
if you look at their schedule heading up the rest
of the way, there's a lot of wind stack the Jets, Giants,
(29:27):
they got a couple weeks before they host the Cowboys
in their place. So I'm a buyer.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Coop mister Denver Bronco just said he's pitching a tent
in the other studio right now because about you're throwing
it at Denver's way. I mean, Coop, you're really fired
enough about the Broncos. Huh? And yeah, why why is
bon Nick's got a red ass? What's his problem? What's
he got to be upset about. He's got a good coach,
a good defense.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Because he's been talking crap about them all season long?
Like what is it?
Speaker 9 (29:58):
Pro Football Focus hasn't ranked as like the worst quarterback
in the league for through the first four weeks, Like really, yeah,
Worson cam Ward his day was like number number thirty
two or number thirty one throughout throughout the whole first
four weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
You know, you do if that were PFF report, you
take it, you print it out, and then you just
crumbled up in the toilet paper and you wipe your
butt with it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah wow. Yeah. And by the way, Eagles fans can
cry if they want about the no call on Dallas
Goddard down the stretch, which I mean it was a misscall.
You know, there probably should have been a flag there.
But Philly completely melted down and their offense. I did
(30:43):
some math here. By the way, nine hundred and sixty
one yards nine hundred sixty one yards. You know what
that is. That's the yardage count that Sakuon Barkley is
on pace for this year coming off that two thousand
yard season. You were mentioning LeVar one hundred and sixty
one a shell of him. So he's got to get
the hell out of there. Is that what it is?
(31:06):
He's gotta he's gotta find it, find some way to
get out of there. You know, the water, the well
ran bad, the milk gone bad.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Dang, it sucks that they didn't go after that record, man,
because he'll never come that close ever again.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It is what it is. I just I agree with
what Q was saying. I did think that it's like, Wow,
Denver is figuring out. It's like it's like the same
type of coaches come up with the same type of results,
so to speak. You look at what Peyton and what's
going on in the West with with hardball, it's like
(31:47):
kind of the same formula. You know, they're they're heavy
with the run, they play defense, and they got quarterbacks
that you know, I don't want to call them game managers,
but they they can get it done in the passing game. Obviously,
he had you know Drew Brees and his in his past,
(32:07):
in his previous life and in the league, but I think,
what what the way he's managing things with uh with
bo Nicks, in the way that this team is is
handling games, they are a dangerous team to deal with.
They they do play some really good defense, and and
they're they're able to get it done the way they
need to get it done on offense. I I think
(32:30):
I think moving forward into the season, as we're starting
to see kind of you know who, who's gonna kind
of trend up, who may be trending down. It's it's
for me, I'm having a hard time looking at some
of the elites in the league and saying that they're
(32:51):
going to be able to run away with it. I
know Philly lost the game and it was a close game,
but I just wonder. I know they've you know, you'll
listen to people say they've proven they can win in
every way. They can win ugly, they can win on
the ground, they can win in the air. I get
that it is a good team still, Philadelphia Eagles. I
(33:12):
just wonder could that could it could it be that
they struggle based upon the way that they play it's
not very it's not very explosive right now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And they will go to the air when they need to.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
But it just doesn't seem to be the same team
without having a potent running attack. To me, it seems dangerous.
It seems like Philly could be in a dangerous space
right now. Man, But I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, well, I mean it's you know, first loss in
like almost three hundred days. They've been doing all right,
and they'll bounce. You're only as good as your your
last win though, good point. Yeah, you know, it's a
good point. You're as bad as your your last loss too. Yeah,
I mean, thank you. If they win this week, you
know I'll be back, like, oh, they're back. I mean,
you know, seeing the Bronco Orange reminds me of another
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Speaker 2 (35:46):
All right, who's got it?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I mean, I'm still battling whatever the hell I'm battling.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It was.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was like slightly embarrassing, Like during the game, I
literally had a spit bucket. I was hacking up so
much phlegm. And you know, there's like sweets right next
to you, like Kaitlyn Clark's sweet at least for the
first half when she was there. What's thank god on
the opposite side because she would have seen me, like
Howking Loogi's constantly throughout the course of the game. Yeah,
it was not not a pretty picture. So they get
(36:14):
all the folks behind the scenes. Gail, she was helping
out getting tea and tissues. But by the way, I
don't even know at this point, like what medications helping.
I just keep taking like an assortment of pills. Everyone
keeps giving me, like ones to like cough it up,
get it out, ones to suppress it, you know, ones
to help clear the sinuses or something like.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm thinking.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
It's a cocktail of everything.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And by the way, Dad, I don't have to clean
clean you out.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You trust me. That subject came up. I was like,
never done it, but willing to try anything at this point.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Get it all running through there by the.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Way, I am. You know, thoughts and prayers are with
Mark uh Sanchez. I don't you know, I don't know
all the details of what's going on and everything else,
but I do want to acknowledge that. I don't think
I mentioned that earlier. As far as what we talked
about the game, it's just the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Might get another one. Yeah, it's a bizarre scenario. It
is a bizarre situation. If the reports are are accurate,
he ain't coming back. I wish you had the best.
But next man up, that's Brady Quinn. And by the way,
the people on social media grow up, have some class,
(37:31):
all right, don't don't stop with the you know, the
you know, hopefully radio good to take a stab. But
this broadcasting thing, like we got it. Okay, everybody gets it.
We're all all understand what happened.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, way too.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Sue for that man. It's funny though, but it is
way too soup for you see.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
The picture of the other guy.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
You see the picture of the old man, and I
don't there's no.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Humor to U yeah, man, yeahous, dangerous situation. They have
no chill on social media, man, none.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Nameless and faceless man, that's the honestly, Like, that's the
issue with social media. So there's no consequences for some
who knows how much is our bots or even real.
But it kind of goes back to like I don't know,
I don't want to get off on this tangent, but
you know, there there was a thing called bullying. Like
the kid, it was always mean. You know, you were
(38:26):
scared to say anything to him because he punched in
the face. If you did, It's like, well maybe that
wasn't like the worst consequence in the world. Maybe that
taught you a lesson, like there are consequences to what you.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Do in this world.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Should bring not the best example, but.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Just say no, I would bring back bullying. Why not?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I wish we would have bullied U c LA on Saturday,
and that's you were supposed to. That's my ir story.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But you must have it must get ripped torched afterwards.
I haven't been drinking, damn. You had to wear that sober.
You had to wear it sober.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, you probably high on your mind then, but either way.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Been drinking waters and using Zen's coffee flavored like I
would put like four in out. What are you doing now?
I have been Yeah, I look at you. I do
them on my airplane flights.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Hell yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You ain't got a spit or nothing like that.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
So it's not like neuroplacity enhancer. Okay, yeah, you're cognitively enhanced.
They taste really good. I'll say that I used level six.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
They charge you up. Yeah, I used the level six one.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Uh good man, give your legs a little little little feeling.
But that was my I R is that my I'm
moderate is struggling right now. I'm holding the line though.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Do you know what?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Though at a lot of things to look at U
c l a game. So there's there is that. There
is that.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Holy smokes, it wasn't a lot, but it some quality
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And look, we were trying. We were trying to tell
one LeVar Arrington that the New England Patriots are on
the rise, that the New England Patriots are the next
(01:15):
best team in the AFC East next to the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yeah, what are you gonna concede this?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
By the way, they look good.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
I mean the Dolphins got beat by the Panthers and
the Jets got blown out.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, Jets look like they same as all right, so
again and Miami sank too, so yeah, I mean, there
you go. They're like in position to win the division.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
I actually love how LeVar plays this, by the way,
and I know it says like maturity he's older. He
really does squash any gloating we can have because he's like, yeah, yeah, no,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
You're right.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, You're like, well, this isn't fun. He's not even reacting.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Can you put up more of a fight? Please?
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Try to get like big brother to do something.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
What do you want me to say?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm gonna do what. Everything's something to do?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Who's coming with me? All I want to know is
who's coming with me? Yeah? That was I mean Buffalo.
When Josh Allen turned the ball over on whatever that
handoff was to uh my cousin Dawson Knox, I looked
at it and said, all right, this might go a
little bit sideways here, and they rolled out their own
version of a wide out and you know, they gave
(02:31):
it their best and they just did not look good
last night at all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I loved what Mike Frabel did. It was a like
as the six to three score halftime, I was like, Yeah,
that's exactly what Mike Frabel wants. The Patriots aren't built
to win against them in a shootout, so what do
you do. You make it ugly and you try to
limit their ability to run, which I believe Josh Allen
ended up being the leaguing rusher, but as far as
the backs go, James Cook, they limited him. And you
(02:58):
make it ugly, man like, you make this as ugly,
low scoring game as you could. Like, that's I mean
to me, that's just like the age old Bill Belichick
style may be called a like verbel style. If you
don't feel like you can match up in that way,
you make them play your your style of game, and
I thought the Patriots did that.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Speaking of Mike Rabel, he spoke after the big win
for New England on the road.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
We're confident coming in here, so I guess it don't
probably help, but we'll have to start over and continue
to improve. We talked about how we have to improve
along the way and this was the next step that
we needed to take. So we'll pick up the pieces
and get back to work as soon as we get
on the plane, and we'll.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Want to start faster.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
But we finished really well and you don't settle down.
And so again, I'm just really proud of the whole
team for being able to come into this road environment.
You know, we talk about there's a lot of other
people that had cracks of meeting them here. You know,
for fourteen games, they had to opportunity and we uh
and those players took advantage of that opportunity and and
(04:06):
beat a really good football team.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
And Stefan Diggs was out there getting it in. Yeah, man,
payback game. It's the best he's looked in a long time,
looked really good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That well, I mean that's a big win. You go
into Buffalo to get that win, that's a big win.
And they gave Miami their opportunity to take their toast
yesterday as there's no more unbeatens left in the NFL.
But man, that was Uh. Do do I want to
say that was a statement game? Like have they is?
Speaker 2 (04:39):
It? Is it legit to say.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That that New England is good enough to say that
they have put the Division on notice.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I don't know that I'm ready to go that far,
but that was a very, very big, big victory for
Rabes and uh And and the rest of that New
England team. For certain, they'll be in the wildcar hunt.
If the Division gets away from him. I'm gonna be
in their wild card hunt. They could get one of
those last spots based on how how bad some of
(05:08):
these other teams have looked. I mean Baltimore's they I
mean put dirt on them whatever I saw the number
they had last night. Baltimore has given up more yards
or given up more points in the last five weeks
during a five week stretch than any time in franchise history.
That was the only thing that made me feel good.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
About myself after Saturday, was the fact that Baltimore is
playing the way they're playing.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's it could always makes you feel good because it's
the man I had no you know, the guy that
had no shoes felt bad until he saw the guy
that had no feet. Then the guy that had no
feet saw the guy that had no legs, you know
what I mean, Like I just looked at Baltimore. Bad
people yeah, I do too, but I don't feel I
feel like now I can say, well it at least
(05:58):
I have legs, you know, East, I have feet. I
mean I don't have sneakers, but I have feet. You know,
have feet If you don't have legs, though, no, you cannot. No,
I was just saying, no, Jonas, you can't. I mean,
mister potato head doesn't have any legs. He's got feet,
doesn't he? No you, I mean he does have feet.
(06:21):
Could you put it in the bottom. But we're not
talking about potato hits.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
He's even got bigger calves than me. It's embarrassing. So
the uh you really made a mister potato hit reference.
I was trying to be serious here, but well, and
in terms of the white out, was that a Pagoula thing?
Did he take that from from State College? And and
(06:47):
maybe yeah, they were. They were all all dressed. It's
pretty dope. Fred Jackson came out and uh, you know,
tried to get him all fired up before the game.
Dope running back. And look if if you know you
want to take that same approach that you take and
you are the Buffalo Bills in that fan base, and
(07:08):
you wanted to look around and feel better about yourself.
I mean, that's why God created the Jets. That's why.
Because that team sucks. Everybody deserves to have that one
team that makes you feel good about your team, and
that is the Jets. If they're the only team in
the NFL without a takeaway.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
They have so much talent on that team and it
will never outperform dysfunction.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, what's crazy, too, is Aaron Glen's a defensive mind. Right, Like,
if there's one side of the ball you think would
be playing well, it'd be the defensive side. New quarterback,
new offensive system. You can you can imagine their struggles,
but the fact that they're struggling defensively.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Well, by the way, the Patriots upset over the Bills
was big for our picks this week. Just throw that
out there was a big Well, Jonas had an awful week.
It was more between you and I LeVar. Yeah, Jonahs,
I think you're a one and four. And also, can
you explain the tweeting of the Bengals plus ten and
a half still alive?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
All right? So because you didn't cover Yeah, so the
Bengals looked like they were dead in the water in
that game. And they were from a win loss standpoint,
but from a point spread standpoint. All of a sudden
they scored on the Jamar Chase touchdown. I had Bengals
plus ten and a half and they were now trailing
by eleven, and I was like, okay, maybe they get
(08:33):
a stop here. Yeah, they go down and you know,
like make a run of this whole thing, and then
ultimately no, they give them another touchdown. They scored again,
but at that point they.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Lost by thirteen. It is the point. Yeah, it was
a loser.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So my whole thing was I was happy to see
the safety because they lost by three, because had they
lost by eleven, I would have lost by captain hook.
And I don't like losing by captain hook. So at
least I can say it was a legitimate loss, a
legitimate loss. But your numbers is bad, man. You're knocks lock,
(09:08):
yeah or not knocks unlocks. And by the way, I
don't know, I don't think we need to be rude,
shuck or mean about it to where we've now got
to put the winning percentages up in the Google.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Well, that's that's how we're going to actually determine who wins.
So we we That's why I like LeVar right now
is leading overall in the season at twenty four and
ten with a seven hundred and five win percentage. I'm
right there at seven hundred and twenty one and nine,
and then you're a sub five hundred at thirteen and four.
How knocks locks go?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
This weekend? Two and one?
Speaker 4 (09:41):
What were the ones? What were the two?
Speaker 2 (09:42):
You want to Tampa Bay plus three and a half?
I got Tampa Bay and the other one that was.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
One of ours?
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Which you do? What was what was the other one? God,
I'm blanket here? What was all? New Orleans? That was crazy? Okay,
that was a crazy right now now to here? And
I had no there was no handicapping involved in this.
There was no deep dive. It was simply.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was also, why would New Orleans be favored over anybody?
Somebody knows something? And then the Giants went out and
you realize it was a nice little friendly reminder. Oh yeah,
the Giants still aren't good. Like they're still not good.
Spencer Ratler picks up his first his first win as
a starter in the NFL. So, yeah, that was There
was a lot of a lot of hype, a lot
(10:30):
of buzz about Cam Scataboo and Jackson Dart and all that.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You see that block he threw on that defensive lineman
Scataboo pancake.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, I don't know how long last? How long is
he gonna last?
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I don't know, enjoy it?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Why I last?
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Are we still hyping up this whole New York thing?
Because I feel like it's all hype there's not Actually,
there's not much there.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
There's not much there.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
I mean, I'm not saying that Jackson Dart is not
going to develop into a good quarterback, but like a
side of the athleticism, you know, is he gonna last?
Like he's gonna get banged around and hit around? He's not.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
He's not Cam Newton, He's not a Donnist like that.
They're not a good team. Now can they be a
good team?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You said that day Ball is not on the hot seat.
I can't see how he isn't.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
I mean, I here's what I'll say now, is I
feel I've had a couple of conversations where I feel
differently a bit about it now, in part because I
didn't think the season was gonna go as bad as
it has. I thought defensively they got some pieces, but offensively,
when you're an offensive mine head coach and it goes
this way like kind of on you, right, So that's
(11:44):
that's the hard part. And they've gone to the rookie
and yeah, they got to win, but it wasn't like
it was a goat a dominant offensive performance. So that's
that's what I'm I'm concerned by. The Other interesting thing
is I also think it's two years in a row
the Giants have been plagued by guys who left and
then have played really well elsewhere. Sa Quana's Offensive Player
of the Year maybe MVP. Daniel Jones is playing phenomenal,
(12:09):
phenomenal And you know what, the one thing they said
to me was because one of their coaches was in
a quarterback room with Daniel and he made the comment
he said, you know, and we both played for day
Ball and he said, yeah, he wasn't going to really
react well or take day Balls coaching. Well, they're like
(12:31):
how Shane coaches quarterbacks, how he calls the game, sees
the game, the things that he gives them in the game.
It's way more conducive for Daniel Jones to have success
in the system, and so people are like, well what
does that mean? Okay, Like there's some offensive coordinators who
they'll call they're called them carry plays c A RI.
I call it and run it. So you have coordinators
(12:54):
at times that will handcuff you and they'll lock you
in no play that could be into a bad look,
and that's just their style. That's what they want.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You know.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
There's some that they don't have hots build in. They
have quick answers in the drop back pass, but they
don't have a hot a side adjust. So there's like
legitimately offenses in the NFL, and then granted this is
you know for me playing eleven years ago, that are
archaic in ways, and then there's offenses where like you
allow the quarterback to go up and make the best
(13:23):
decision and put your team in the right play from
two or three plays, which is the best way to
do it ultimately. And that's what Shane Steigen's doing. That's
plays with Daniel Jones cerebral ability and play and how
he studies and prepares and you see it, like you
see how this team's performing now. Granted he's got a
better old line. They're running game with Jonathan Taylor's phenomenal,
(13:44):
and they've got weapons obviously Tyler Warren and the rest
of the guys to throw to, which helps too. But
the environment and the style of coaching is way better
for Daniel Jones. And you know, talk to the colts.
They kind of echo that. And they're not the only people.
There's other people that kind of echoed that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Ah Man.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You know, New York is just one of those teams
where you would expect them to be better this year
based upon what you hear about DA Ball. And again,
they do have pieces on defense, and they do have
pieces on offense. But I agree it is interesting to
see guys leaving and having success, which, by the way,
(14:27):
I will add it makes more sense that they should
have went for that record last year with Saquan because
he will not come nowhere near and that might not be,
that might be for the rest of his the entirety
of his career. Sometimes we don't look at the magnitude
(14:48):
of an accomplishment until it's far gone, far away. If
you thought that he was going to be able to
have the same level of success that he did on
the ground last year, like that was a magical year,
they really should have tried to finish it out. I know,
I just bring it up, regardless of where he went
(15:11):
to school or what my relationship is with him. I
felt like that was a horrible decision to be that
close to cracking a record that seemingly is insurmountable, and
for what, Like, I get it all right, we want
to stay healthy for the playoffs. And they did win
the Super Bowl, so that does justify it quite a bit.
(15:31):
But I don't know, man, you're that close to the record,
you go ahead and go try to get it.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Man. And because the Saquon conversation, you know, there's you know,
Philly's offense and all that stuff that we're going to
get into. Can I ask you something about the Giants though,
because this is where I feel bad for and I
think cam Ward's going to be in this boat as
well too. Let's just say, based on what we've seen
(15:57):
from the Giants, based on how many years day Ball's
been there, based on Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley looking
the way they did after they left there, so we're
all in agreement, it looks like Brian Davon and Joe
Shane are going to be gone. That they're going to
clean house. So then it's a hot seat.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I ain't gonna say they gonna get rid of them,
but I mean it's certainly on the table at this
point you'd have to assume.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
So then two years in, Jackson Dart's already going to
be in a new regime and they didn't draft him,
and the same thing's gonna probably happen with cam Ward
the next people take it over. I me's what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That's the blessing and the curse of being really good
going into the draft is you're going to find yourself
in an ft up situation, and more than likely you're
not going to be good enough to overcome the environment
that you're in.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold were competing for
the Carolina job. They've been in multiple places, and they're
two right now, maybe two of what top three four
cores in the NFC. The way they're playing.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Daniel Jones, you throw him in the conversation as far
as well, there are two of the top quarterbacks right
now the way they're playing, like forget the conference quarterbacks,
Like this is why And you always say it to
fans and we go, that's all right, that situation and circumstance.
That's the case in any job you take. And what's
interesting about what you just said, LeVar, is the league
(17:24):
is set up for parody. How do they accomplish that.
They reward the teams that stink the most with the
top picks with the assumption that those more talented players
will be able to raise the level of play for
those teams. So is that player focused or is that
team focused? Well, it's obviously team focus because they want
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there to be parody in the league. I would argue
right now that the way the NFL is run actually
fails players now more than ever. You have limit it
off seasons, you have the shortest time to actually develop
if there's any of that, even though there's no development anymore,
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and they move on from coaching staffs so fast that
to your point, Jonas, these guys never have a chance
to really settle in and learn an offense and grow
from that. So you know, this has been an age
old tale for guys who got drafted to bad football teams.
But the reality is it's the same damn teams. And
(18:35):
yesterday was an example of how many how many games
are close Yesterday outside of Sunday Football. How many were close?
Miami Carolina too bad football teams? Like you could say
that the comeback by the way between who is it?
Arizona and Tennessee, which, by the way, we'll get into that,
(18:57):
we'll get into that debacle of the game. But you
really go through and look at the games laest year,
you're like, all right, I mean maybe I guess Minnesota
and Cleveland was close.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
That was a close one.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I think Minnesota came back. But if you and I
were willing to bet, I bet money line on certain franchises,
like the top six that were anticipating, and there's some
surprises like Baltimore's was a surprise this year. They're struggling.
If we did that, I guarantee you year of a
year of their ten year twenty year span, you'd be
(19:28):
up decent money, pretty big.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Money, eh man. It wasn't.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
Oh side note, Oh we had one of the craziest
and we'll talk to Dean about this tomorrow. But it
literally makes no sense. And like Chris Myers and I
were trying to like figure this out, and I'm sure
fans listening were like, what is up with these idiots?
Like why can't they figure this out. So here's the scenario.
(19:57):
The Colts are kicking a pat Spencer. Strader, the kicker
kicks makes it, but I think it was Tristan McCollum
who ran through his plant leg which is roughing the kicker.
So the Colts contemplated it and they're like, well, we're
gonna go for two then because they get the ball
to one. But they then decided like, maybe we should
(20:18):
take the point because Strader's hurt. He's not gonna be
able to kick the rest of the game. So we
went like guaranteed points here and like we'll take that
one and then we'll institute it on the kickoff, all right,
So they instituted on the kickoff. So Sanchez the punter
is now kicking off because Strader's out, he's kicking the
ball from the fifty. Okay, because that's how they implemented
(20:42):
the penalty from the actual pat right, Well, Sanchez kicks
it out of bounds, which you would think that then
the Raiders would get more advantageous field position, right like
usually they get the ball on the forty. If that's
the case, that's the penalty for that. Well, what ended
up happening the Raiders got the ball in the twenty five.
(21:05):
So if you're wondering, like, how the hell did they
come to that conclusion, what we were told is that,
as the rule stated, the ball is then moved to
twenty five yards from where the ball is kicked. All right,
the ball is kicked from the fifty. So somehow, some way,
(21:26):
it's a loophole where and if this ever happens again.
And I don't know that Shane Steichen was aware of
this because he looked mad at his Yah Sanchez, who
was filling in for kicking. But the Raiders actually were
penalized for the Colts kicking it out of bounds on
a kickoff because the Colts accepted the penalty from the
roughing the kicker, and so they started on twenty five
(21:47):
instead of starting on I don't know forty or wherever
else it should have been, because the rule is it's
twenty five yards from where the ball was kicked, So
if it's kicked from the thirty five, for example, it'd
be on the forty, which is normally where it's kicked from.
So it is one of the weirdest, like dumbest things
I've ever heard of, and obviously with this new rule
and kickoffs and everything else, I think the NFL is
(22:10):
still figuring their way through it. But we were like
trying to contact back with my prayer in LA. We
were trying to contact the New York office. Well, like,
can we get an explanation on this, because it doesn't
make any sense that the kicking team who kicked it
out of bounds isn't pedalized for it, and meanwhile the
receiving team is the one that has to actually face
the burden of the penalty from it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The part I don't get when loophole situations come up
where there's been stuff to where Belichick will find a
loophole and a rule and Mike Rabel did it to
Belichick in a playoff game, like you know, as far
as the clock goes, Like, does the NFL not think
through every possible scenario so there's not a loophole?
Speaker 4 (22:53):
I will easily answer yes to that because that's how
they handle everything. Like again, when they took on a
lot of the off the field issues and and how
players conducted, the player conduct they didn't think through like, oh, well,
well here's the issue. Is every you can't have a
set standard policy like for one, you know, issue or
(23:13):
crime if you will, because everything's different, right, Like there's
there's different circumstances scenarios that could play out. And yet
that's how the NFL operates, Like if we were to
show up late, there's a standard amount of money that
you'd be fined for certain things within the Collective Bargaining Agreement,
So everything else is standardized, and that's how they try
to apply when you've got you know, the NFL and
(23:36):
you know, arguing with the union and everything is agreed
upon in the CBA. Yet that's not how the world works.
Like things are you know, more complicated than that. So
my my issue is if I was a coach, I'd
be coaching my edge rushers on any Pat uh field goal,
(23:57):
go run right through the kicker because we're going to
take it vantage of that little loophole. We're gonna knock
out the kicker. We're gonna take advantage of the loophole
and nor does to kick the ball out of balance
and we're going to force those guys to be back
at twenty five.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
What an odd glitch. Yeah, well maybe Blandino can clear
that up for us. Tomorrow after we hear the Godfather
music when he makes his appearance. It is Two Pros
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LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you coming up
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Speaker 1 (25:52):
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Speaker 2 (26:15):
That's Louisiana hot by you something damn right? Speaking of
hot hmm, how about the Denver Broncos on a short week,
on a short week, somehow Someway justin Cooper's fired up?
Is that a Damarius Thomas Jersey damn strength.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean went into Philly though, Yeah, and ain't
like they got them in the mouth high. They went
to the city of brotherly Love and showed them love.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Early kickoff, short week, trailing, and somehow Someway they get
back in that game and the Denver Broncos pull off
the big win.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Is it neat for concern if you're looking at the
Eagles And here's the reason why I'll throw that out
out there. Here's why I'm gonna throw it out there.
Let me qualify. They have not won very much convincingly.
They have had you know, the obviously the block walk off,
(27:17):
you know, run at the end of the game to
win the game. Now, granted they could have won the
game rams yeah, but they they seemingly were getting out
classed and outmatched in the first half of that game.
I just wondered, Now you run into a game where
it doesn't go your way, I mean, should there be
any cause for concern moving forward? Is this team as
(27:40):
good as we think they are?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So that's why I really like the opposite conversation on
this game, because I do think Philly is really good.
They've beat a really good Bucks team, a really good
Rams team, albeit miraculous, like you said, a Chiefs team
that's still gonna be the mix, and a really good
Dallas team. I think this game said more about the
Broncos that it did about Philly.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
I think when you look at through the through the Broncos, like,
let's go back to the Colts loss. They won that game,
people tend to forget. I think what was on a
defensive It was leveraging that they called on the missed
Fueld goal by Strader, he got to rekick it. They
did the penalty, he got the rekick. That ended up
being the difference in that game. Otherwise Denver had a won.
You know, you go back to the Chargers game too,
(28:23):
another kind of like tightly contested game that could have
won either way. They completely controlled the Titans week one,
they crushed the Bengals in Week four, and now you
look at them going on the road. As you guys
have all kind of pointed out, I think if there's anything,
I'm buying stock in the Broncos. And really, you know,
talking to the coaching staff of the Colts, you know,
(28:44):
as I said, who's the best defense you faced? And
they're like, well, maybe the I don't know if I
should be saying this, maybe the Broncos. I go, really,
I was like, what about the Rams, you know, and
that was a game obviously they ended up losing, and
they go, no, don't get me wrong, They're really talented
up front, They're really good. They're like, people underestimate how
(29:04):
good that Broncos defense is. So I'm a buyer right
now what Sean Payne's doing and building there in Denver
with that team. You know, bo Nicks always has the
red ass, at least it seems like it. I love
the direction they're going. And I also think if you
if you look at their schedule heading up the rest
of the way, there's a lot of wind stack the Jets, Giants,
(29:27):
they got a couple weeks before they host the Cowboys
in their place. So I'm a buyer.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Coop mister Denver Bronco just said he's pitching a tent
in the other studio right now because about you're throwing
it at Denver's way. I mean, Coop, you're really fired
enough about the Broncos. Huh? And yeah, why why is
bon Nick's got a red ass? What's his problem? What's
he got to be upset about. He's got a good coach,
a good defense.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
Because he's been talking crap about them all season long?
Like what is it?
Speaker 9 (29:58):
Pro Football Focus hasn't ranked as like the worst quarterback
in the league for through the first four weeks, Like really, yeah,
Worson cam Ward his day was like number number thirty
two or number thirty one throughout throughout the whole first
four weeks of the season.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
You know, you do if that were PFF report, you
take it, you print it out, and then you just
crumbled up in the toilet paper and you wipe your
butt with it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah wow. Yeah. And by the way, Eagles fans can
cry if they want about the no call on Dallas
Goddard down the stretch, which I mean it was a misscall.
You know, there probably should have been a flag there.
But Philly completely melted down and their offense. I did
(30:43):
some math here. By the way, nine hundred and sixty
one yards nine hundred sixty one yards. You know what
that is. That's the yardage count that Sakuon Barkley is
on pace for this year coming off that two thousand
yard season. You were mentioning LeVar one hundred and sixty
one a shell of him. So he's got to get
the hell out of there. Is that what it is?
(31:06):
He's gotta he's gotta find it, find some way to
get out of there. You know, the water, the well
ran bad, the milk gone bad.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Dang, it sucks that they didn't go after that record, man,
because he'll never come that close ever again.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
It is what it is. I just I agree with
what Q was saying. I did think that it's like, Wow,
Denver is figuring out. It's like it's like the same
type of coaches come up with the same type of results,
so to speak. You look at what Peyton and what's
going on in the West with with hardball, it's like
(31:47):
kind of the same formula. You know, they're they're heavy
with the run, they play defense, and they got quarterbacks
that you know, I don't want to call them game managers,
but they they can get it done in the passing game. Obviously,
he had you know Drew Brees and his in his past,
(32:07):
in his previous life and in the league, but I think,
what what the way he's managing things with uh with
bo Nicks, in the way that this team is is
handling games, they are a dangerous team to deal with.
They they do play some really good defense, and and
they're they're able to get it done the way they
need to get it done on offense. I I think
(32:30):
I think moving forward into the season, as we're starting
to see kind of you know who, who's gonna kind
of trend up, who may be trending down. It's it's
for me, I'm having a hard time looking at some
of the elites in the league and saying that they're
(32:51):
going to be able to run away with it. I
know Philly lost the game and it was a close game,
but I just wonder. I know they've you know, you'll
listen to people say they've proven they can win in
every way. They can win ugly, they can win on
the ground, they can win in the air. I get
that it is a good team still, Philadelphia Eagles. I
(33:12):
just wonder could that could it could it be that
they struggle based upon the way that they play it's
not very it's not very explosive right now.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And they will go to the air when they need to.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
But it just doesn't seem to be the same team
without having a potent running attack. To me, it seems dangerous.
It seems like Philly could be in a dangerous space
right now. Man, But I could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, well, I mean it's you know, first loss in
like almost three hundred days. They've been doing all right,
and they'll bounce. You're only as good as your your
last win though, good point. Yeah, you know, it's a
good point. You're as bad as your your last loss too. Yeah,
I mean, thank you. If they win this week, you
know I'll be back, like, oh, they're back. I mean,
you know, seeing the Bronco Orange reminds me of another
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Speaker 2 (35:46):
All right, who's got it?
Speaker 4 (35:48):
I mean, I'm still battling whatever the hell I'm battling.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
It was.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
It was like slightly embarrassing, Like during the game, I
literally had a spit bucket. I was hacking up so
much phlegm. And you know, there's like sweets right next
to you, like Kaitlyn Clark's sweet at least for the
first half when she was there. What's thank god on
the opposite side because she would have seen me, like
Howking Loogi's constantly throughout the course of the game. Yeah,
it was not not a pretty picture. So they get
(36:14):
all the folks behind the scenes. Gail, she was helping
out getting tea and tissues. But by the way, I
don't even know at this point, like what medications helping.
I just keep taking like an assortment of pills. Everyone
keeps giving me, like ones to like cough it up,
get it out, ones to suppress it, you know, ones
to help clear the sinuses or something like.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm thinking.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
It's a cocktail of everything.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
And by the way, Dad, I don't have to clean
clean you out.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You trust me. That subject came up. I was like,
never done it, but willing to try anything at this point.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Get it all running through there by the.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
Way, I am. You know, thoughts and prayers are with
Mark uh Sanchez. I don't you know, I don't know
all the details of what's going on and everything else,
but I do want to acknowledge that. I don't think
I mentioned that earlier. As far as what we talked
about the game, it's just the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
But.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Might get another one. Yeah, it's a bizarre scenario. It
is a bizarre situation. If the reports are are accurate,
he ain't coming back. I wish you had the best.
But next man up, that's Brady Quinn. And by the way,
the people on social media grow up, have some class,
(37:31):
all right, don't don't stop with the you know, the
you know, hopefully radio good to take a stab. But
this broadcasting thing, like we got it. Okay, everybody gets it.
We're all all understand what happened.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Yeah, way too.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Sue for that man. It's funny though, but it is
way too soup for you see.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
The picture of the other guy.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
You see the picture of the old man, and I
don't there's no.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Humor to U yeah, man, yeahous, dangerous situation. They have
no chill on social media, man, none.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Nameless and faceless man, that's the honestly, Like, that's the
issue with social media. So there's no consequences for some
who knows how much is our bots or even real.
But it kind of goes back to like I don't know,
I don't want to get off on this tangent, but
you know, there there was a thing called bullying. Like
the kid, it was always mean. You know, you were
(38:26):
scared to say anything to him because he punched in
the face. If you did, It's like, well maybe that
wasn't like the worst consequence in the world. Maybe that
taught you a lesson, like there are consequences to what you.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
Do in this world.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
Should bring not the best example, but.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Just say no, I would bring back bullying. Why not?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
I wish we would have bullied U c LA on Saturday,
and that's you were supposed to. That's my ir story.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
But you must have it must get ripped torched afterwards.
I haven't been drinking, damn. You had to wear that sober.
You had to wear it sober.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
Well, you probably high on your mind then, but either way.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Been drinking waters and using Zen's coffee flavored like I
would put like four in out. What are you doing now?
I have been Yeah, I look at you. I do
them on my airplane flights.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Hell yeah, because.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You ain't got a spit or nothing like that.
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So it's not like neuroplacity enhancer. Okay, yeah, you're cognitively enhanced.
They taste really good. I'll say that I used level six.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
They charge you up. Yeah, I used the level six one.
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Do you know what?
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