December 3, 2025 • 43 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington open hour 2 discussing recent comments from Ben Roethlisberger where he suggested it might be time for the Steelers to clean house, including head coach Mike Tomlin... Is he right? Then they move into this week's college football roundup, hitting on some of the biggest stories of a wild week in the sport. Plus, more fun with a new edition of "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly"!
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
All Right, so.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It appears that the football in Pennsylvania is not happy
with their head coaches. That's like a Pennsylvania thing, like
a PA thing. Nick Sirianni's getting it every week, even
though he just won a Super Bowl. We obviously talked
about the penn State situation. And then there's Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Going at Tomlin. Yeah, a lot of people coming for Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
He was on the Football and Podcast with Ben Roethlisberger and.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He had this to say.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
He also had an idea that might solve another issue
within the state.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And I know it's it's being talked about around here
a lot. Maybe it's time. Maybe it's a clean house time.
Maybe it is Maybe it's time. And I like coach Tomlin.
I have a lot of respect coach Tomlin. But maybe
it's best for him too. Maybe maybe a fresh start
for him is what's best, whether that's in the pros,
whether maybe go be Penn State's head coach. You know
what he would do in Penn State. He'd probably go
win national championships.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I wouldn't hate that. I wouldn't hate that. I mean,
he would I see what you're waiting for. That's what
you're waiting for. I would not get it. Now, that
would be that would excite the fan base. Whoa, yeah, whoa.
That would be deep. That'd be awesome. Now that's a
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plot twist I had not thought about. Gotta be honest
with you there. Yeah, But I will say this, looking
at the way Pickens is playing in Dallas, he is
their best player. He is Dallas's best player. Dak is
their best player, Dak is their highest paid player. Pickens
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is their best player. Then it starts like then you
start to run down the history of receivers in Pittsburgh.
And I don't want to make this conversation about receivers
in Pittsburgh. I want to make this about culture in Pittsburgh.
And I've heard a lot of things, like doing the
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show with Plex on the weekend, like just certain things
that are said and just there's been like this slow
erosion of what Steeler culture was and what it represented
when Rob Woodson and Cornell Lake and those type of
guys were in Pittsburgh. I think we're at a critical
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mass point at Mike Tomlin's career as the Pittsburgh Steeler
coach because he has done it his way. He's been
able to do it his way. He's had success doing
it his way, but that success has not led to
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getting to the super Bowl or being super Bowl competitive
for quite some time. And I think the indictment at
this point on Mike Tomlin is a simple one. I
ultimately think there's a strong possibility that he hit his
ceiling in Pittsburgh. And it's okay. I mean, these things happen.
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He's had a great run. I'm not saying it's over.
I'm not saying he's losing his gig. I'm just saying
the conversations are going to continue to get intense. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers looks like literally of an assistant living home quarterback,
like oh no, he oh no. I mean the faces
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he was making when he was getting hit, like his
body popped. It looked like they like he passed away
six weeks ago, like Joe Biden, like they also they
controlling him through AI. Man, they controlling Aaron Rodgers through AI.
He ain't gonna make it. Aaron Rodgers is not going
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to make it. And then and and if he does,
I think they're I think they're still going to fall
off the tracks. Man. And I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Can I throw this theory out there as we listened
to old old Frank Sinatra my way, which I mean, look,
if Tomlin is out, he did do it his way,
you know. And I gotta say, I love Mike Tomlin.
It's one of those coaches where played against him, didn't
like him then, but very much respected him. But always
that coach that you wish you could have played for
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as a player, just to be in that culture of
that environment. Absolutely, As the NFL has adapted and changed,
I think it also has impacted the way in which
the Pittsburgh Steelers have built their their brand, their franchise,
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and that is our like toughness, gritty, good like smash
mouth defense and a physical running attack that's complimented through
the years to the history by you know, playmakers and
when it's Lynn Swann or whoever else you want to
point to in the passing game. I mean, obviously when
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I first got in the league, it was guys like
Hines Ward, right, uh San Antonio Holmes has arguably the
greatest catch ever largely Yeah, but it was largely heines.
But is't as this as this league has changed into
a passing league, into a league that you no longer
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can impose your will on quarterbacks on players like the
Steel Curtain once did. I think feel like it's kind
of hurt Pittsburgh a little bit, and even more so
the fact that, like, you know, I don't know, I
just I look at how these rosters are built, and
it's like you used to have these smash mouth, physical
teams that just beat you up.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It just it's not really how the game is anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And I know since Ben, really you can just attribute
it to that you had a Hall of Fame quarterback
in Ben Roethlisberger and that's when the slide started. And really,
but if you look at the regular season, like they've
still been able to survive with Tomlin, I mean, he's
never had a losing season, So I kind of go
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back to that and just go he's been incredibly consistent.
But I do think as far as winning super Bowls,
if you look back to two thousand and what an
eight was the last time they won one. Yeah, the
league has continually gotten you know, I wan't want to
say softer, but it's been harder for defenses to impose
their will the way the Steelers once did with the
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hard hits and everything else that goes a.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Long along with it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I just I just think it's interesting when you look
at some of the teams who it's in beat go
back to the last time that Baltimore Ravens won the
Super Bowl. I meant you start really looking at it
and dissecting it. The ball. Baltimore has always been known
for the defense, and it's been what thirteen years is
twenty twelve when they won with Flacco. Yeah, I mean
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a lot of the teams that I think based their
identity based the foundation of who they are on their defense,
on that physical, smash mouth, you know, touching the face
style of play, they've been hurt the most because of
the limitations to how they can impact the game and
impact the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean also the team from that division that's been
to the Super Bowl most recently Cincinnati, and as we've documented,
it's not exactly defensive minded all the way through there
in Sinci so.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
No, if anything like they're in about more you know,
beats you with being able to outscore you. And that's
unfortunately like what now in the NFL wins the kans
City Chiefs. They've got good defense. But I don't think
we look at the Chiefs defense as you know, one
of the most physical, one of the best.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Especially not this season in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I just I don't think the way it ends with Tomlin,
I don't think is a firing. I think there's some
sort of a conversation, a this has run its course,
we're gonna let you leave. Yeah, well, but I would
say that ended. I don't know, Man, that seemingly landed
pretty ugly. Do you think they would fire him?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I don't think it ends ugly just because you lose
your job based upon you know, reasons given, which would
most likely be they want to go in a different
direction to see if they can get the team back
to being a super Bowl contender. I mean he's been
there eighteen years. Let's be clear, right, I mean the
Super Bowl team, a lot of those guys were inherited.
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He came in and inherited that team. So as he
moved forward, he has maintained the line. But here's to me,
I think where the rubber meets the road. And it's
funny because I feel like Ben is able to lean
in on things that he says because they haven't had
a Ben Roethlisberger. Since Ben Roethlisberger has left, they have
not been able to figure out how to develop a
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quarterback that can lead the way the way that he did, which,
by the way, that inherited team that Mike Tomlin got
had leadership on the team like Fannica, like Jerome Bettis
and hinz Ward, like you had some really really fine
guys that were there to help lead and teach and
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help guide and mold Ben Roethlisberger into what he ultimately became.
You don't have that right now in Pittsburgh. Who do
you have on that offense that would be that type
of a resource, that type of an influence that would
understand the game, respected and the game, has had success
in the game, and is imparting that knowledge and giving you,
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you know, parameters and making sure you have guard rails
up so you don't go off the edge. You don't
have that anymore in Pittsburgh. Well, how good is the
roster because like it's questionable. I mean this idea that
if you're gonna get Yeah, they need they need to
change at coach. Okay, what about a change on the
roster because they probably should have drafted the air apparent
to Roethlisberger while Roethlisberger was still there and they didn't.
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The Kenny Pickett stuff was a disaster. Rogers looks completely beat.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Up and banged up, and we knew coming into the
season their schedule is going to be pretty daunting. It
just there was an opportunity for them to take control
of the division. And none of these possibilities involving Cincinnati
or Baltimore making a run and having a legitimate shot
would even exist if they weren't what starting off the
year four and one, I think they're two and five
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since and that's not all because of Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Maybe the roster's just not very good. Yeah, but it
falls at the feet of the head coach and the
GM and they just haven't they haven't been able to
turn the corner. I'm just being honest. They haven't been
able to turn the corner since the end days of
Ben Roethlisberger. The biggest, the biggest detracting factor that's connected
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to the Pittsburgh Steelers is their inept offense. They have
not been able to generate offense again. And Ben Roethlisberger
was a part of that offense going away, and in
his last days he was not effective as well, and
they've been looking for a replacement ever since and they
have not been able to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I would also say, though, like this, to me, at least,
they've been kind of known a little bit for their
physicality the line of scrimmage, like their offensive line has
been somewhat deteriorated during those heydays when I think they
were most dominant. They're physical upfront. And whether you go
back to Jerome Bettis and the bus or Le'Veon Bell
or I mean even if Sean Mennenhall, you know, kind
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of had his seasons, had his time there. You can
go through the years at some of the different guys
who towed the rock for them, and.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Sure Fast Willie Parker, he ran with Willie p. Yeah, yeah, it'll.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Never forget Romeo Crenell, set the edge, build a wall.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Don't let Fast Willy get outside. He get outside. It's
a blur, bro it was. It was over. He always
justad and we did do it. We did set the edge.
Romeo Cornell.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He's so mad about that because he felt like that's
all you had to do to stop Willie p set
the wall, just don't let him get outside. But you
get my point, Like this this to me, this offense again,
I keep going back to the identity. The identity of
the Steelers has always been defense. It's always been physicality,
and that's on both sides of the Bowl. That the
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passing game has been a compliment to it, but it's
not what this franchise is built off of. And as
the league has adapted, it's kind of left behind a
team like the Pittsburgh Steelers, I feel like, at least
in regards to it being a Super Bowl winning franchise,
And people can take issue with that, say whatever you want,
Like I just it's it's been since two thousand and
eight since you won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I mean, they haven't won a playoff game since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like they just always have had so much balance, I mean,
and guys have always fit in.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Ryan Chazeer was on that team, Like it's a long
ass time, a long time, man. It just it just
doesn't look the same, it doesn't feel the same. And
so that's this does is.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So there's this saying like just change for change's sake,
which I'm never a fan of, but I do believe
that at some point, you know, stuff just kind of
runs its course.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You got you gotta build a new identity. I mean,
you don't have to build so much a new identity.
There just has to be a new approach to how
you do it, That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And maybe and maybe I'll just say it this way.
Maybe I'll just say like there just has to be
a new energy, like a different influence that comes in
there to get it going back where it needs to.
You know, like sometimes and I'm not saying Mike Toman
doesn't bring in energy, doesn't bring in you know, the
vigor to coach.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I just I feel like at some point it's just time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time maybe for him to move on, time for the
organization to move on and just get something fresh, something new,
something and look and sometimes like that ends up being
like you figure out, like, Okay, this isn't it either,
we need to go and find something else. But I
do feel like it's not change for change his sake,
because clearly something needs to change and there's still a
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lot of football.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Left to be played. This season.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So I don't want to like throw in the towel,
but if they did move on, I would I would
kind of understand why and not. I mean, obviously he's
been incredibly successful, but they feel like if their aspirations
are going to win a super Bowl, I don't know
that they feel like they're getting any closer to that.
It feels like we're more just surviving to have that
winning season and then hoping that when we get into
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the playoffs we can be good enough to just find
this magical run. And I don't know, I don't think
it works like that anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They smell like a one and done if they get
to the postseas him to Penn State. Though, Wow, that
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Speaker 3 (20:47):
But man, so with that being said, uh, do we
want to do this college football round up here?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
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Speaker 4 (20:54):
Do we have? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
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Up round up?
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Speaker 4 (21:21):
Absolutely. How often you wear belt buckles? Uh? Not? Like
not you need more than one if you don't wear
it that often. Yeah, you gotta have variety, man, you
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Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like snatch another dude's belt buckles. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
No? No, oh yeah, oh yeah, not what we were thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So we're thinking here, all right, all right, let's round
it up. We'll start off with the University of Florida.
There was the big news this past week of them
hiring to Lane head coach John Sumral. I will also.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Announce the fact that he is, if they make.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The College Football Playoff, going to be coaching Tulane even
though he's the head coach of Florida. I know that's
gonna upset some Old Miss fans that your university apparently
just couldn't allow Lane Kiffin to do so. I'll worry
about poaching players. But the news is more about they're
hiring former Eagles executive and Jags general manager Dave Caldwell.
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He will be the new general manager at the University
of Florida. So an NFL name taking his talents down
to Gainesville to help John Somerrell build up this roster.
Some talented players during his time in Jacksonville. Kind of
interesting move that that will be the case. Next up,
speaking of Charlie Weiss, junior Ole Miss, we talked about this.
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There was the potential chance that he would go back
to base to run the offense for Old Miss during
the college football playoff run and eventually return tell us
you to be there off to coordinator that is going
to happen. Charlie West Junior announced yesterday he's gonna be
there with the team to help this team try to
go back and win a national championship. Kudos to him,
an old miss, and even Lane Kiffin for letting this
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happen and getting this done. I believe Charlie Weis was
the only coach so that went with Lane that we
will be returning to do this next up. Michigan State
got there.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Pat Fitzgerald back, folks, signs a five year deal with SPARTI.
This is huge news for a number of reasons. He's
a hell of a coach. He got absolutely just well,
I'll kind of leave that there, but he probably should
have still been the head coach at Northwestern based on
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all the stuff and all the crap that he had
to deal with. But this is to me the type
of coach you need come in there to bring back
the identity that Mark D'Antonio brought to Michigan State that
helped him win a Big Ten championship and make it
to the College Football Playoff back during the fourteen playoff.
I think Pat Fitzgerald has the ability to do so
Michigan State also making a huge investment into their athletics program,
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in particular focus on Nil So big time get for Sparty.
I've another couple of Highers.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
By the way, I've never heard one person say anything
but good things about Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everybody loves to love them. He's the best, He's the
best man.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, we can, we can recap these after let's just
kind of get through the list. Next up is Alex
Goulish to Auburn, the former head coach at USF. He's
taking over kind.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Of flew under the rnar of this past week. Uh
shut up us but.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Goalist now takes over at a place that I think
if he brings his ingenuity everything else he brought USF,
should also be a winner. And then probably the last
one that really didn't get any any publicity whatsoever, that's
just Stanford these days, Tavita Pritchard. He was on the
Washington Commander's staff. He will now take over as head
coach at Stanford. A former teammate of Andrew Luck their
general manager.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Maybe worth discussing just what happens if things don't work
out with this higher because that's there's now a coach,
and you know the prior coach, Troy Taylor Andrew luck
had had to fire and move on from. Now he's
hiring one of his teammates, and Tavida Pritchard one of
his buddies. I do think Tavida would do a great job,
but worth kind of discussing. And then the last thing,
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some interesting news on the recruiting front. Former Penn State
commit O lineman Benjamin Azyuka he flips to Virginia Tech.
So we're already seeing a little bit of that James
Franklin effect. Guys who are committed to go play for
him now playing for the team that James Franklin's coaching.
But that is your college football round up.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
All right? Wasn't Also? Is it?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Troy Hunn, the quarterback, was committed to Penn State. Now
he's going to Virginia Tech as well too.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There's a few there's a receiver that did it too.
There's a few guys that have flipped to go to
where going. I'm interested to see when the portal opens
how many guys from Penn State end up out of
Virginia Tech. That'd be interesting. You have a ballpark number,
ay bro, I've heard some numbers of the transfer portal.
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I hope they're they're inaccurate. A staggering number of guys bailing.
Oh yeah, it's a staggering number of potential the parties. Yeah, well,
this would.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Be the first time Penn State may not have a
single early commit I believe since the early window opened.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I think I saw that somewhere.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
The obviously early signing period is today, and most teams
now will be signing. And really you're kind of blue
chip guys you're looking for because you want to get
them in early. They enroll in January, they start you know,
spring ball and all that, and then even though they're freshmen,
they're really more like almost I don't want to say
red shirt freshmen, but they're just much more prepared for
that freshman sea. And because they've gone through school, they've
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gone through the spring, they've gone through the summer and
the entire program, as opposed to you know what used
to be back in the day when we would get there.
I mean, I don't think you enrolled early, did you me?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing back when. I I mean people,
that's what I'm saying. Like, even when I played it,
it wasn't. It wasn't a big thing. You know, you'd
go talk to your high school counselor.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I remember telling my high school counselor back then
my Sunday, Hey, I'm thinking about doing this, and they're like, oh,
that's okay, Well we've got to do this, this, and this,
because you know, that's not really like that, you know, popular,
which I was like.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I had this high school sweetheart. I was enjoying high
school life. I wasn't in a rush too. I lost
my hair when I went to college. I was stressed.
I wasn't in a rush to get there. Yeah, but
my Sunday, my son and my daughter went early last year,
so they were early enrolies. I think Penn State has
to brace for not having a recruiting class this year.
(28:00):
I mean, and and they have to really look at
whoever they're bringing in has to be able to They're
going to have to be able to build this roster
purely through the portal. And and I you know, when's
the when's the next portal? When when's the second one?
There's two? Now right, there's still two. No, it's just
it's just one. It's in January. What happens when the
(28:21):
new coach comes in. Like, I'm curious as to so
without the coaches or you won't have a team, he
might not have a team.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, So so the transfer portal window now has moved
to January second and ends in January sixteenth. Okay, so
that's when, like the portal window opens for everyone, but
for Penn State, they haven't hired a new head coach.
So once they hire a new head coach, there will
be I believe, a fifteen day period where the players
(28:52):
can get anointed or acquainted with that new head coach
and the coach can decide, you know, what he's looking
at the roster, and then there's a five day period
following that where the player can make that decision to leave.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
So what about the coaches though? What what? What are
they do? They have any any ability to bring players
in because they during the January second to January sixteenth window.
But that's it. That's it. So if they were to
decide to leave once everything settles in with the hit coach,
and they were to decide to leave, and that's after
the portal the portal time is closed, what do you have.
(29:27):
There's got to be a way to you know what
I mean, Like, if you don't have a team, are
you got to be able to populate your team?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Are you almost better off hiring a guy who's already
a coach somewhere else so that he can bring in players.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Or you might have to hire a guy that can
keep them there.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So it's a really interesting question that Jonas is asking
because if you look at a lot of the hires,
whether it's Ryan Silverfield who goes from Memphis to Arkansas
or Bob Chesney he was at JMU who's now going
to be at UCLA, there's the expectation that a lot
of those players that he thinks can play at that
level they'll come with him. Right, There'll be those guys
(30:06):
who helped build that foundation of the environment of what
they're bringing, oftentimes a quarterback. So you know, I wouldn't
be shocked if James Franklin didn't try to bring not
only recruits, but also some Penn State players that may
be looking for an opportunity or want to go there.
So I would think there'll be an initial uptick. And
by the way, I think James Franklin's gonna do well
because he'll be able to recruit. But also, let's just
(30:28):
call it what it is. The ACC is a much
easier conference to plan in the Big Ten, Like they
will be better because outside of Miami, who's got a
ton of money, like you, who are you really looking at?
They are saying, ah, we don't we don't feel like
we could beat them. Like UVA and Duke are playing
off for the a SEC championship, Duke has what five losses? Like,
(30:49):
let's let's be honest about what this is. Virginia Tech
can become an immediate contender in the ACC, whereas Penn
State with the addition of Oregon and combined that with
Ohio State and Michigan, the way pet State struggled against them,
it was always gonna be a uphill battle. Like I
feel like this almost creates a scenario where James Franklin
can immediately be playing for a Colaswall playoff spot, potentially
(31:12):
even next year.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I mean, it's wild times.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Man got a month, got a month to figure this out,
far got to get this done.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Jonas, did you want to weigh anymore on Pat Fitzgerald
or is that all just so?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
He used to come on the show that was previous
to this with Andy Furman and Mike North years ago,
like probably ten plus years ago. And Pat Fitzgerald was
buddies with Mike North obviously for his time in Chicago.
And he would come on and he was the coolest dude,
always accommodating with his time, always great conversations, and there
was a lot of people in and around Chicago who
(31:50):
wanted him to be the coach of the Bears.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Like everybody loved Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So the fact that he was waiting for this whole
thing to get sorted out, you know, the legal stuff
behind the you know, his lawsuit against Northwestern and all
that stuff, and then got gobbled up this quickly afterwards,
I think is telling to the respect people have for
the guy. And that's that seems like a really good
hire for Michigan State. And I know Petrus as you
(32:15):
know said listen, I would have hired Pat Fitzgerald at
USC years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
And so the fact.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That if it's what they're missing, right, yeah, Like you
want physicality, you want tough, gritty nature to build up
your program, Like that's that's what you need. And I
have no idea why they wouldn't have looked at him sooner.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
How difficult is it, How difficult is that Northwestern job
with the academics and everything that go along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's why David Brown should have gotten more looks from
a lot of people. I mean, if you looked at
their team this year, they are just a tough, sound, discipline,
rugged defensive team. They try to pound away run into
football and they basically have one kid that they brought up,
you know, with him at wide receiver, and obviously a
transfer quarterback in and Stone who's capable of throwing.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But like that's it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
They got one guy to throw to and that's that's
the entirety of their passing game. And they were able
to compete in the Big Ten and and take Michigan
to the brinks. You know, when you're watching them, it's
it's it's pretty phenomenal the job that Lebron has done
despite the circumstances he's been given.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
N we just got to get this done, bar gotta
get this done. Oh yeah, like, let's get it done.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I want to I want to go back to the
Tavda Pritchard higher at Stanford though, because this is getting
to the point where you know, Stanford's a foreign a
football team and I'm not sure like you put that
on Andrew Luck. But look, Frank Wright did come in
as the interim coach to help out, you know, Andrew
through this time as he was trying to find kind
of the next guy. Well he's got the next guy,
but the next guy happens to be like his guy,
(33:52):
you know, a former teammate and everything else where. I
think if you look at the university, if this doesn't
work out and they go through another out of losing seasons,
at some point, if you're Stanford, do you kind of
look at Andrew Luck and say, O, all right, maybe
we need to have someone else who is a little
bit less biased towards the past and look at what
(34:14):
we need to do in order to be successful.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I mean, when has Stafford ever really been successful outside.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
When Andrew Luck was there, and even there's been there's
been ballots.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Well it looked they were, and how good were they
it was there?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
David Shaw did him pretty How high have they ever climbed?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I think they finished number two at one year, that's amazing.
If they finished number two ever in the history and
creation of college football, the.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Highest they finished was third, I believe in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And that was again back with and I think so.
But yeah, I mean they had a moment year. I
just don't feel they.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Were I mean, if you're talking about ap during that
area like they've been, they finished third fourth, you know,
four to third, like you know, like throughout those years
of Christian McCaffrey, Toby Gerhart Andrew Luck.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I mean, they had a really big run of success.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What what to me, what happened to them was they
got to the point this is this sounds terrible and
I'm not going to say and when I called a game.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
There, who told me this? But I do believe this
to be true.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
They got a bunch of players who started going there
who didn't want to really play football, like they went.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
There purely for the demo. Ree. Well, I think that
that that they're always going to face that and that
was wunny.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But it was to the point where like guys would
be like tricking them.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
It would be like a three star, four star kid.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He'd be like, yeah, no, coach them all in them
and they get there and they basically turn into a
turn and they would just want to go to a class.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And look, I'm not just wild, I'm not trying to
make fun to say that about an athlete, like, oh
my gosh, what do you mean your education is more important.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
If you just want to go to I'm not saying
that is they did it. They did it purely to
get into school because they knew they couldn't get into
school otherwise, and so they used the veil of being
a football player, a scholarship football player, which hurts the team.
(36:15):
So I'm not I'm not condemning them for the fact
they loved academics or one to get into Stanford.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's the way they went about doing it was fooling
a coaching staff who thought they were all in. And then,
by the way, once those guys got there, one of
the reasons why you know it didn't work out was
because what did they do They called this is the
phrase they just use intellectual brutality. That's what they used
to to like use as their phrase of like how
they were gonna win games. They would physically beat you
(36:44):
down to death with extra offensive linemen and tight ends
and just run the ball down your throat and they'd
be running gap schemes that you know everyone's running the
spread up tempo offenses you play Stanford, you're gonna see
the football like six seven times a game because they
just eat up the clock and they're just trying to
pound do like a nine on seven drill every single day.
And that got very less. It was less attractive to
(37:06):
a lot of the players that were trying to go there.
They're like, wait a second, I'm here to study at Stanford,
but I'm bashing my head against another guy in front
of me every single day in practice and every single Saturday.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I don't know if I want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
By the way, I forgot how good Christian McCaffrey was
because he was on that twenty fifteen team.
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There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
All right, Ian Roddy, Who's got what this week? What
are the assignments?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, all right, Sheriff Jonas, Let's start with you. What's
the good this week?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I would say the good this week is actually two
days away. And the good on this show is our
fine court system here and the appeals process that will
be headed and heard by our fearless leader that assesses
these fines.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
The one and only Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I know that I have an appeal hearing this Friday,
and I know it's going to be fair, it's going
to be balanced, and I know I'm gonna get my
voice heard. And I really do respect the process, and
I respect the judge and the commissioner behind this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I think he does a tremendous job. That's my good
for the.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Week, all right, Sheriff LeVar Arrington, you're gonna tell us
the bad this week.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Well, that'll be ten dollars. His take was bad, his good,
his good of the week was bad. That should be
ten dollars. I was gonna talk Penn State coaching search.
But you know what what Jonahs just did just now,
that's bad. That's bad. That should be a ten dollars five.
I'll turn it over to the commission, I'll turn it
(41:39):
over to the judge, but it should be ten dollars
for him just now because that was very court system.
Good God, I'm done, Okay, Sheriff Brady, what's the ugly
this week? The ugly is well.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Lane Kiffin left Old Miss, but he left some broken
hearts behind. A lot of Old Miss ladies are airing
out Laide Kippin's d MS.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And text message conversations. Yeah, it's getting a little bit ugly. Boy.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
He couldn't look any more like a dirtbag, let me
tell you. I mean, it even goes to the point
where in some of these messages he even knows the
girl's boyfriend's name. I mean, college kids, So it's sliding
in dms. It's all kinds of things. Uh, you know,
all sorts of messaging going on, you know one in particular.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The girl says, ha ha, wow, you can't tell Tyler
he'd hate me. Lane Kiffer response, Hell no, I don't talk.
So is that a yes?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Come over tonight?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
But yeah, but it has to be top secret. This
is wild but also kind of ugly.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I mean, oh wow, hop on the Lane train. But
she said, yeah, she was coming through, so she will
you marry me? Wow? A whole lot of Iden
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
All Right, so.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
It appears that the football in Pennsylvania is not happy
with their head coaches. That's like a Pennsylvania thing, like
a PA thing. Nick Sirianni's getting it every week, even
though he just won a Super Bowl. We obviously talked
about the penn State situation. And then there's Ben Roethlisberger.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Going at Tomlin. Yeah, a lot of people coming for Tomlin.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
He was on the Football and Podcast with Ben Roethlisberger and.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
He had this to say.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
He also had an idea that might solve another issue
within the state.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And I know it's it's being talked about around here
a lot. Maybe it's time. Maybe it's a clean house time.
Maybe it is Maybe it's time. And I like coach Tomlin.
I have a lot of respect coach Tomlin. But maybe
it's best for him too. Maybe maybe a fresh start
for him is what's best, whether that's in the pros,
whether maybe go be Penn State's head coach. You know
what he would do in Penn State. He'd probably go
win national championships.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I wouldn't hate that. I wouldn't hate that. I mean,
he would I see what you're waiting for. That's what
you're waiting for. I would not get it. Now, that
would be that would excite the fan base. Whoa, yeah, whoa.
That would be deep. That'd be awesome. Now that's a
(02:41):
plot twist I had not thought about. Gotta be honest
with you there. Yeah, But I will say this, looking
at the way Pickens is playing in Dallas, he is
their best player. He is Dallas's best player. Dak is
their best player, Dak is their highest paid player. Pickens
(03:06):
is their best player. Then it starts like then you
start to run down the history of receivers in Pittsburgh.
And I don't want to make this conversation about receivers
in Pittsburgh. I want to make this about culture in Pittsburgh.
And I've heard a lot of things, like doing the
(03:26):
show with Plex on the weekend, like just certain things
that are said and just there's been like this slow
erosion of what Steeler culture was and what it represented
when Rob Woodson and Cornell Lake and those type of
guys were in Pittsburgh. I think we're at a critical
(03:48):
mass point at Mike Tomlin's career as the Pittsburgh Steeler
coach because he has done it his way. He's been
able to do it his way. He's had success doing
it his way, but that success has not led to
(04:09):
getting to the super Bowl or being super Bowl competitive
for quite some time. And I think the indictment at
this point on Mike Tomlin is a simple one. I
ultimately think there's a strong possibility that he hit his
ceiling in Pittsburgh. And it's okay. I mean, these things happen.
(04:33):
He's had a great run. I'm not saying it's over.
I'm not saying he's losing his gig. I'm just saying
the conversations are going to continue to get intense. I mean,
Aaron Rodgers looks like literally of an assistant living home quarterback,
like oh no, he oh no. I mean the faces
(04:56):
he was making when he was getting hit, like his
body popped. It looked like they like he passed away
six weeks ago, like Joe Biden, like they also they
controlling him through AI. Man, they controlling Aaron Rodgers through AI.
He ain't gonna make it. Aaron Rodgers is not going
(05:17):
to make it. And then and and if he does,
I think they're I think they're still going to fall
off the tracks. Man. And I don't know what.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Can I throw this theory out there as we listened
to old old Frank Sinatra my way, which I mean, look,
if Tomlin is out, he did do it his way,
you know. And I gotta say, I love Mike Tomlin.
It's one of those coaches where played against him, didn't
like him then, but very much respected him. But always
that coach that you wish you could have played for
(05:50):
as a player, just to be in that culture of
that environment. Absolutely, As the NFL has adapted and changed,
I think it also has impacted the way in which
the Pittsburgh Steelers have built their their brand, their franchise,
(06:10):
and that is our like toughness, gritty, good like smash
mouth defense and a physical running attack that's complimented through
the years to the history by you know, playmakers and
when it's Lynn Swann or whoever else you want to
point to in the passing game. I mean, obviously when
(06:30):
I first got in the league, it was guys like
Hines Ward, right, uh San Antonio Holmes has arguably the
greatest catch ever largely Yeah, but it was largely heines.
But is't as this as this league has changed into
a passing league, into a league that you no longer
(06:53):
can impose your will on quarterbacks on players like the
Steel Curtain once did. I think feel like it's kind
of hurt Pittsburgh a little bit, and even more so
the fact that, like, you know, I don't know, I
just I look at how these rosters are built, and
it's like you used to have these smash mouth, physical
teams that just beat you up.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
It just it's not really how the game is anymore.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
And I know since Ben, really you can just attribute
it to that you had a Hall of Fame quarterback
in Ben Roethlisberger and that's when the slide started. And really,
but if you look at the regular season, like they've
still been able to survive with Tomlin, I mean, he's
never had a losing season, So I kind of go
(07:37):
back to that and just go he's been incredibly consistent.
But I do think as far as winning super Bowls,
if you look back to two thousand and what an
eight was the last time they won one. Yeah, the
league has continually gotten you know, I wan't want to
say softer, but it's been harder for defenses to impose
their will the way the Steelers once did with the
(07:58):
hard hits and everything else that goes a.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Long along with it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
I just I just think it's interesting when you look
at some of the teams who it's in beat go
back to the last time that Baltimore Ravens won the
Super Bowl. I meant you start really looking at it
and dissecting it. The ball. Baltimore has always been known
for the defense, and it's been what thirteen years is
twenty twelve when they won with Flacco. Yeah, I mean
(08:22):
a lot of the teams that I think based their
identity based the foundation of who they are on their defense,
on that physical, smash mouth, you know, touching the face
style of play, they've been hurt the most because of
the limitations to how they can impact the game and
impact the quarterback position.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I mean also the team from that division that's been
to the Super Bowl most recently Cincinnati, and as we've documented,
it's not exactly defensive minded all the way through there
in Sinci so.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
No, if anything like they're in about more you know,
beats you with being able to outscore you. And that's
unfortunately like what now in the NFL wins the kans
City Chiefs. They've got good defense. But I don't think
we look at the Chiefs defense as you know, one
of the most physical, one of the best.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Especially not this season in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
I just I don't think the way it ends with Tomlin,
I don't think is a firing. I think there's some
sort of a conversation, a this has run its course,
we're gonna let you leave. Yeah, well, but I would
say that ended. I don't know, Man, that seemingly landed
pretty ugly. Do you think they would fire him?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I don't think it ends ugly just because you lose
your job based upon you know, reasons given, which would
most likely be they want to go in a different
direction to see if they can get the team back
to being a super Bowl contender. I mean he's been
there eighteen years. Let's be clear, right, I mean the
Super Bowl team, a lot of those guys were inherited.
(09:55):
He came in and inherited that team. So as he
moved forward, he has maintained the line. But here's to me,
I think where the rubber meets the road. And it's
funny because I feel like Ben is able to lean
in on things that he says because they haven't had
a Ben Roethlisberger. Since Ben Roethlisberger has left, they have
not been able to figure out how to develop a
(10:22):
quarterback that can lead the way the way that he did, which,
by the way, that inherited team that Mike Tomlin got
had leadership on the team like Fannica, like Jerome Bettis
and hinz Ward, like you had some really really fine
guys that were there to help lead and teach and
(10:47):
help guide and mold Ben Roethlisberger into what he ultimately became.
You don't have that right now in Pittsburgh. Who do
you have on that offense that would be that type
of a resource, that type of an influence that would
understand the game, respected and the game, has had success
in the game, and is imparting that knowledge and giving you,
(11:08):
you know, parameters and making sure you have guard rails
up so you don't go off the edge. You don't
have that anymore in Pittsburgh. Well, how good is the
roster because like it's questionable. I mean this idea that
if you're gonna get Yeah, they need they need to
change at coach. Okay, what about a change on the
roster because they probably should have drafted the air apparent
to Roethlisberger while Roethlisberger was still there and they didn't.
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The Kenny Pickett stuff was a disaster. Rogers looks completely beat.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Up and banged up, and we knew coming into the
season their schedule is going to be pretty daunting. It
just there was an opportunity for them to take control
of the division. And none of these possibilities involving Cincinnati
or Baltimore making a run and having a legitimate shot
would even exist if they weren't what starting off the
year four and one, I think they're two and five
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since and that's not all because of Mike Tomlin.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Maybe the roster's just not very good. Yeah, but it
falls at the feet of the head coach and the
GM and they just haven't they haven't been able to
turn the corner. I'm just being honest. They haven't been
able to turn the corner since the end days of
Ben Roethlisberger. The biggest, the biggest detracting factor that's connected
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to the Pittsburgh Steelers is their inept offense. They have
not been able to generate offense again. And Ben Roethlisberger
was a part of that offense going away, and in
his last days he was not effective as well, and
they've been looking for a replacement ever since and they
have not been able to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I would also say, though, like this, to me, at least,
they've been kind of known a little bit for their
physicality the line of scrimmage, like their offensive line has
been somewhat deteriorated during those heydays when I think they
were most dominant. They're physical upfront. And whether you go
back to Jerome Bettis and the bus or Le'Veon Bell
or I mean even if Sean Mennenhall, you know, kind
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of had his seasons, had his time there. You can
go through the years at some of the different guys
who towed the rock for them, and.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Sure Fast Willie Parker, he ran with Willie p. Yeah, yeah, it'll.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Never forget Romeo Crenell, set the edge, build a wall.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Don't let Fast Willy get outside. He get outside. It's
a blur, bro it was. It was over. He always
justad and we did do it. We did set the edge.
Romeo Cornell.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
He's so mad about that because he felt like that's
all you had to do to stop Willie p set
the wall, just don't let him get outside. But you
get my point, Like this this to me, this offense again,
I keep going back to the identity. The identity of
the Steelers has always been defense. It's always been physicality,
and that's on both sides of the Bowl. That the
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passing game has been a compliment to it, but it's
not what this franchise is built off of. And as
the league has adapted, it's kind of left behind a
team like the Pittsburgh Steelers, I feel like, at least
in regards to it being a Super Bowl winning franchise,
And people can take issue with that, say whatever you want,
Like I just it's it's been since two thousand and
eight since you won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
I mean, they haven't won a playoff game since twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Like they just always have had so much balance, I mean,
and guys have always fit in.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Ryan Chazeer was on that team, Like it's a long
ass time, a long time, man. It just it just
doesn't look the same, it doesn't feel the same. And
so that's this does is.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So there's this saying like just change for change's sake,
which I'm never a fan of, but I do believe
that at some point, you know, stuff just kind of
runs its course.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
You got you gotta build a new identity. I mean,
you don't have to build so much a new identity.
There just has to be a new approach to how
you do it, That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And maybe and maybe I'll just say it this way.
Maybe I'll just say like there just has to be
a new energy, like a different influence that comes in
there to get it going back where it needs to.
You know, like sometimes and I'm not saying Mike Toman
doesn't bring in energy, doesn't bring in you know, the
vigor to coach.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I just I feel like at some point it's just time.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Time maybe for him to move on, time for the
organization to move on and just get something fresh, something new,
something and look and sometimes like that ends up being
like you figure out, like, Okay, this isn't it either,
we need to go and find something else. But I
do feel like it's not change for change his sake,
because clearly something needs to change and there's still a
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lot of football.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Left to be played. This season.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So I don't want to like throw in the towel,
but if they did move on, I would I would
kind of understand why and not. I mean, obviously he's
been incredibly successful, but they feel like if their aspirations
are going to win a super Bowl, I don't know
that they feel like they're getting any closer to that.
It feels like we're more just surviving to have that
winning season and then hoping that when we get into
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the playoffs we can be good enough to just find
this magical run. And I don't know, I don't think
it works like that anymore.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
They smell like a one and done if they get
to the postseas him to Penn State. Though, Wow, that
really brain after me, man, I was really sitting there
thinking about this during this segment. What would that look like?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Be awesome?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Wait a second, that's who it is. My gosh, you've
been holding out on us this whole time. That's why
is he even an option on what's that site? Calsey
or Kelsey?
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Whatever? Shit?
Speaker 1 (16:49):
I don't know why you keep saying it wrong.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
You're the one who told me how to pronounce it.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He's not so well, maybe we'll be after this segment.
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Speaker 4 (19:58):
Hey, apparently that shouldn't be my nickname anymore? Why maybe
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Speaker 1 (20:42):
A can't end soon enough. It's December. We got to
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Speaker 3 (20:47):
But man, so with that being said, uh, do we
want to do this college football round up here?
Speaker 6 (20:54):
All?
Speaker 4 (20:54):
Do we have? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Do we have any music that we maybe could put
behind this, anything that would put us in the mood
for a little little round.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Up round up?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Let me see if I got some nice little country
bad here, a.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Little little western, little western, little spittoon or something some
western something that would make me feel, uh, I feel
like in the country accent, you know, or something little western.
Levar's big old belt buckle. I got three, four of them, really, yeah,
four of them?
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Absolutely. How often you wear belt buckles? Uh? Not? Like
not you need more than one if you don't wear
it that often. Yeah, you gotta have variety, man, you
gotta have Is that just when you go I've collected them,
like every year when I've gone to do things, I've
collected them, So I have them.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Like snatch another dude's belt buckles. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 4 (21:42):
No? No, oh yeah, oh yeah, not what we were thinking.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
So we're thinking here, all right, all right, let's round
it up. We'll start off with the University of Florida.
There was the big news this past week of them
hiring to Lane head coach John Sumral. I will also.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
Announce the fact that he is, if they make.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
The College Football Playoff, going to be coaching Tulane even
though he's the head coach of Florida. I know that's
gonna upset some Old Miss fans that your university apparently
just couldn't allow Lane Kiffin to do so. I'll worry
about poaching players. But the news is more about they're
hiring former Eagles executive and Jags general manager Dave Caldwell.
(22:32):
He will be the new general manager at the University
of Florida. So an NFL name taking his talents down
to Gainesville to help John Somerrell build up this roster.
Some talented players during his time in Jacksonville. Kind of
interesting move that that will be the case. Next up,
speaking of Charlie Weiss, junior Ole Miss, we talked about this.
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There was the potential chance that he would go back
to base to run the offense for Old Miss during
the college football playoff run and eventually return tell us
you to be there off to coordinator that is going
to happen. Charlie West Junior announced yesterday he's gonna be
there with the team to help this team try to
go back and win a national championship. Kudos to him,
an old miss, and even Lane Kiffin for letting this
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happen and getting this done. I believe Charlie Weis was
the only coach so that went with Lane that we
will be returning to do this next up. Michigan State
got there.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Pat Fitzgerald back, folks, signs a five year deal with SPARTI.
This is huge news for a number of reasons. He's
a hell of a coach. He got absolutely just well,
I'll kind of leave that there, but he probably should
have still been the head coach at Northwestern based on
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all the stuff and all the crap that he had
to deal with. But this is to me the type
of coach you need come in there to bring back
the identity that Mark D'Antonio brought to Michigan State that
helped him win a Big Ten championship and make it
to the College Football Playoff back during the fourteen playoff.
I think Pat Fitzgerald has the ability to do so
Michigan State also making a huge investment into their athletics program,
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in particular focus on Nil So big time get for Sparty.
I've another couple of Highers.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
By the way, I've never heard one person say anything
but good things about Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
Everybody loves to love them. He's the best, He's the
best man.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, we can, we can recap these after let's just
kind of get through the list. Next up is Alex
Goulish to Auburn, the former head coach at USF. He's
taking over kind.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Of flew under the rnar of this past week. Uh
shut up us but.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Goalist now takes over at a place that I think
if he brings his ingenuity everything else he brought USF,
should also be a winner. And then probably the last
one that really didn't get any any publicity whatsoever, that's
just Stanford these days, Tavita Pritchard. He was on the
Washington Commander's staff. He will now take over as head
coach at Stanford. A former teammate of Andrew Luck their
general manager.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
There.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Maybe worth discussing just what happens if things don't work
out with this higher because that's there's now a coach,
and you know the prior coach, Troy Taylor Andrew luck
had had to fire and move on from. Now he's
hiring one of his teammates, and Tavida Pritchard one of
his buddies. I do think Tavida would do a great job,
but worth kind of discussing. And then the last thing,
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some interesting news on the recruiting front. Former Penn State
commit O lineman Benjamin Azyuka he flips to Virginia Tech.
So we're already seeing a little bit of that James
Franklin effect. Guys who are committed to go play for
him now playing for the team that James Franklin's coaching.
But that is your college football round up.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
All right? Wasn't Also? Is it?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Troy Hunn, the quarterback, was committed to Penn State. Now
he's going to Virginia Tech as well too.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
There's a few there's a receiver that did it too.
There's a few guys that have flipped to go to
where going. I'm interested to see when the portal opens
how many guys from Penn State end up out of
Virginia Tech. That'd be interesting. You have a ballpark number,
ay bro, I've heard some numbers of the transfer portal.
(26:16):
I hope they're they're inaccurate. A staggering number of guys bailing.
Oh yeah, it's a staggering number of potential the parties. Yeah, well,
this would.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Be the first time Penn State may not have a
single early commit I believe since the early window opened.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I think I saw that somewhere.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
The obviously early signing period is today, and most teams
now will be signing. And really you're kind of blue
chip guys you're looking for because you want to get
them in early. They enroll in January, they start you know,
spring ball and all that, and then even though they're freshmen,
they're really more like almost I don't want to say
red shirt freshmen, but they're just much more prepared for
that freshman sea. And because they've gone through school, they've
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gone through the spring, they've gone through the summer and
the entire program, as opposed to you know what used
to be back in the day when we would get there.
I mean, I don't think you enrolled early, did you me?
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Yeah, that wasn't a thing back when. I I mean people,
that's what I'm saying. Like, even when I played it,
it wasn't. It wasn't a big thing. You know, you'd
go talk to your high school counselor.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And I remember telling my high school counselor back then
my Sunday, Hey, I'm thinking about doing this, and they're like, oh,
that's okay, Well we've got to do this, this, and this,
because you know, that's not really like that, you know, popular,
which I was like.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I had this high school sweetheart. I was enjoying high
school life. I wasn't in a rush too. I lost
my hair when I went to college. I was stressed.
I wasn't in a rush to get there. Yeah, but
my Sunday, my son and my daughter went early last year,
so they were early enrolies. I think Penn State has
to brace for not having a recruiting class this year.
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I mean, and and they have to really look at
whoever they're bringing in has to be able to They're
going to have to be able to build this roster
purely through the portal. And and I you know, when's
the when's the next portal? When when's the second one?
There's two? Now right, there's still two. No, it's just
it's just one. It's in January. What happens when the
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new coach comes in. Like, I'm curious as to so
without the coaches or you won't have a team, he
might not have a team.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, So so the transfer portal window now has moved
to January second and ends in January sixteenth. Okay, so
that's when, like the portal window opens for everyone, but
for Penn State, they haven't hired a new head coach.
So once they hire a new head coach, there will
be I believe, a fifteen day period where the players
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can get anointed or acquainted with that new head coach
and the coach can decide, you know, what he's looking
at the roster, and then there's a five day period
following that where the player can make that decision to leave.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
So what about the coaches though? What what? What are
they do? They have any any ability to bring players
in because they during the January second to January sixteenth window.
But that's it. That's it. So if they were to
decide to leave once everything settles in with the hit coach,
and they were to decide to leave, and that's after
the portal the portal time is closed, what do you have.
(29:27):
There's got to be a way to you know what
I mean, Like, if you don't have a team, are
you got to be able to populate your team?
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Are you almost better off hiring a guy who's already
a coach somewhere else so that he can bring in players.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Or you might have to hire a guy that can
keep them there.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
So it's a really interesting question that Jonas is asking
because if you look at a lot of the hires,
whether it's Ryan Silverfield who goes from Memphis to Arkansas
or Bob Chesney he was at JMU who's now going
to be at UCLA, there's the expectation that a lot
of those players that he thinks can play at that
level they'll come with him. Right, There'll be those guys
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who helped build that foundation of the environment of what
they're bringing, oftentimes a quarterback. So you know, I wouldn't
be shocked if James Franklin didn't try to bring not
only recruits, but also some Penn State players that may
be looking for an opportunity or want to go there.
So I would think there'll be an initial uptick. And
by the way, I think James Franklin's gonna do well
because he'll be able to recruit. But also, let's just
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call it what it is. The ACC is a much
easier conference to plan in the Big Ten, Like they
will be better because outside of Miami, who's got a
ton of money, like you, who are you really looking at?
They are saying, ah, we don't we don't feel like
we could beat them. Like UVA and Duke are playing
off for the a SEC championship, Duke has what five losses? Like,
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let's let's be honest about what this is. Virginia Tech
can become an immediate contender in the ACC, whereas Penn
State with the addition of Oregon and combined that with
Ohio State and Michigan, the way pet State struggled against them,
it was always gonna be a uphill battle. Like I
feel like this almost creates a scenario where James Franklin
can immediately be playing for a Colaswall playoff spot, potentially
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even next year.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I mean, it's wild times.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
Man got a month, got a month to figure this out,
far got to get this done.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Jonas, did you want to weigh anymore on Pat Fitzgerald
or is that all just so?
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (31:27):
He used to come on the show that was previous
to this with Andy Furman and Mike North years ago,
like probably ten plus years ago. And Pat Fitzgerald was
buddies with Mike North obviously for his time in Chicago.
And he would come on and he was the coolest dude,
always accommodating with his time, always great conversations, and there
was a lot of people in and around Chicago who
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wanted him to be the coach of the Bears.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Like everybody loved Pat Fitzgerald.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
So the fact that he was waiting for this whole
thing to get sorted out, you know, the legal stuff
behind the you know, his lawsuit against Northwestern and all
that stuff, and then got gobbled up this quickly afterwards,
I think is telling to the respect people have for
the guy. And that's that seems like a really good
hire for Michigan State. And I know Petrus as you
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know said listen, I would have hired Pat Fitzgerald at
USC years ago.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
And so the fact.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
That if it's what they're missing, right, yeah, Like you
want physicality, you want tough, gritty nature to build up
your program, Like that's that's what you need. And I
have no idea why they wouldn't have looked at him sooner.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
How difficult is it, How difficult is that Northwestern job
with the academics and everything that go along with it.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
It's why David Brown should have gotten more looks from
a lot of people. I mean, if you looked at
their team this year, they are just a tough, sound, discipline,
rugged defensive team. They try to pound away run into
football and they basically have one kid that they brought up,
you know, with him at wide receiver, and obviously a
transfer quarterback in and Stone who's capable of throwing.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
But like that's it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
They got one guy to throw to and that's that's
the entirety of their passing game. And they were able
to compete in the Big Ten and and take Michigan
to the brinks. You know, when you're watching them, it's
it's it's pretty phenomenal the job that Lebron has done
despite the circumstances he's been given.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
N we just got to get this done, bar gotta
get this done. Oh yeah, like, let's get it done.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
I want to I want to go back to the
Tavda Pritchard higher at Stanford though, because this is getting
to the point where you know, Stanford's a foreign a
football team and I'm not sure like you put that
on Andrew Luck. But look, Frank Wright did come in
as the interim coach to help out, you know, Andrew
through this time as he was trying to find kind
of the next guy. Well he's got the next guy,
but the next guy happens to be like his guy,
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you know, a former teammate and everything else where. I
think if you look at the university, if this doesn't
work out and they go through another out of losing seasons,
at some point, if you're Stanford, do you kind of
look at Andrew Luck and say, O, all right, maybe
we need to have someone else who is a little
bit less biased towards the past and look at what
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we need to do in order to be successful.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I mean, when has Stafford ever really been successful outside.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
When Andrew Luck was there, and even there's been there's
been ballots.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Well it looked they were, and how good were they
it was there?
Speaker 3 (34:27):
David Shaw did him pretty How high have they ever climbed?
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I think they finished number two at one year, that's amazing.
If they finished number two ever in the history and
creation of college football, the.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Highest they finished was third, I believe in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
And that was again back with and I think so.
But yeah, I mean they had a moment year. I
just don't feel they.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
Were I mean, if you're talking about ap during that
area like they've been, they finished third fourth, you know,
four to third, like you know, like throughout those years
of Christian McCaffrey, Toby Gerhart Andrew Luck.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
I mean, they had a really big run of success.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
What what to me, what happened to them was they
got to the point this is this sounds terrible and
I'm not going to say and when I called a game.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
There, who told me this? But I do believe this
to be true.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
They got a bunch of players who started going there
who didn't want to really play football, like they went.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
There purely for the demo. Ree. Well, I think that
that that they're always going to face that and that
was wunny.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
But it was to the point where like guys would
be like tricking them.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
It would be like a three star, four star kid.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He'd be like, yeah, no, coach them all in them
and they get there and they basically turn into a
turn and they would just want to go to a class.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And look, I'm not just wild, I'm not trying to
make fun to say that about an athlete, like, oh
my gosh, what do you mean your education is more important.
Speaker 7 (35:55):
If you just want to go to I'm not saying
that is they did it. They did it purely to
get into school because they knew they couldn't get into
school otherwise, and so they used the veil of being
a football player, a scholarship football player, which hurts the team.
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So I'm not I'm not condemning them for the fact
they loved academics or one to get into Stanford.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It's the way they went about doing it was fooling
a coaching staff who thought they were all in. And then,
by the way, once those guys got there, one of
the reasons why you know it didn't work out was
because what did they do They called this is the
phrase they just use intellectual brutality. That's what they used
to to like use as their phrase of like how
they were gonna win games. They would physically beat you
(36:44):
down to death with extra offensive linemen and tight ends
and just run the ball down your throat and they'd
be running gap schemes that you know everyone's running the
spread up tempo offenses you play Stanford, you're gonna see
the football like six seven times a game because they
just eat up the clock and they're just trying to
pound do like a nine on seven drill every single day.
And that got very less. It was less attractive to
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a lot of the players that were trying to go there.
They're like, wait a second, I'm here to study at Stanford,
but I'm bashing my head against another guy in front
of me every single day in practice and every single Saturday.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I don't know if I want to do this anymore.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
By the way, I forgot how good Christian McCaffrey was
because he was on that twenty fifteen team.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
That well, he had some dashing, original Louisiana hot sauce
in his legs. He had some simple ingredients in them
legs and then them feats and on his plate, and
it turned his practice week into a great week. And
it can turn your day into a great day. All
you gotta do is grab original Louisiana hot sauce, make
sure you bat you some.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
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on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next, we are going
to have our Midweek Awards. It's the good, the bad
and the ugly, and it's yours right here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (40:19):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and ugly.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
All right, Ian Roddy, Who's got what this week? What
are the assignments?
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, all right, Sheriff Jonas, Let's start with you. What's
the good this week?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I would say the good this week is actually two
days away. And the good on this show is our
fine court system here and the appeals process that will
be headed and heard by our fearless leader that assesses
these fines.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
The one and only Brady Quinn.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
I know that I have an appeal hearing this Friday,
and I know it's going to be fair, it's going
to be balanced, and I know I'm gonna get my
voice heard. And I really do respect the process, and
I respect the judge and the commissioner behind this whole thing.
Speaker 4 (41:11):
I think he does a tremendous job. That's my good
for the.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Week, all right, Sheriff LeVar Arrington, you're gonna tell us
the bad this week.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Well, that'll be ten dollars. His take was bad, his good,
his good of the week was bad. That should be
ten dollars. I was gonna talk Penn State coaching search.
But you know what what Jonahs just did just now,
that's bad. That's bad. That should be a ten dollars five.
I'll turn it over to the commission, I'll turn it
(41:39):
over to the judge, but it should be ten dollars
for him just now because that was very court system.
Good God, I'm done, Okay, Sheriff Brady, what's the ugly
this week? The ugly is well.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Lane Kiffin left Old Miss, but he left some broken
hearts behind. A lot of Old Miss ladies are airing
out Laide Kippin's d MS.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And text message conversations. Yeah, it's getting a little bit ugly. Boy.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
He couldn't look any more like a dirtbag, let me
tell you. I mean, it even goes to the point
where in some of these messages he even knows the
girl's boyfriend's name. I mean, college kids, So it's sliding
in dms. It's all kinds of things. Uh, you know,
all sorts of messaging going on, you know one in particular.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (42:32):
The girl says, ha ha, wow, you can't tell Tyler
he'd hate me. Lane Kiffer response, Hell no, I don't talk.
So is that a yes?
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Come over tonight?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
What?
Speaker 4 (42:41):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
But yeah, but it has to be top secret. This
is wild but also kind of ugly.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I mean, oh wow, hop on the Lane train. But
she said, yeah, she was coming through, so she will
you marry me? Wow? A whole lot of Iden
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