December 15, 2025 • 43 mins
In Hour 2 of the show today, the guys discuss the Bengals getting eliminated from the playoffs this season while also looking defeated with Joe Burrow. Plus, the guys react to Fernando Mendoza winning the Heisman while also viewing Diego Pavia not having a great look to his award loss, another edition of FSR IR, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Hey, do y'all realize how often y'all hear this song
now during football games?
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I only hear it on our show.
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Really, yeah, I hear it after like before every kickoff.
I'd be watching it.
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Youping off of you?
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No, no, no, no no. I just think I never
paid attention to how often this song would use.
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So does that make you more original or less original?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I was just late to the party, I guess. But
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I don't know if you want to play taps again
as we are, uh well.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Apparently we're getting judged for you know, this is sports
Talk radio in well and has come for this team
one hundred judge for what you know, because there's some
some stuff really going on. Look at your your solo
swift and you see it.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I mean I try not to.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's legit though it's as yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah, okay, I mean, what are we gonna.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Do nothing except talk about the Bengals. The Bungals.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yeah, the uh that's a wrap on the Cincinnati Bengals season.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Really really nice things to say about their gift to
the fans coming into the stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I mean time, dude, I don't understand how Bengals fans
get so defensive when you season ticket holders walked into
the stadium. They're a pay corps and they didn't even
pay anyone to wipe off your seat and pft. Mike Florio,
he reached out to the Bengals for a comment. Apparently
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their reply was they prioritized the aisles and that the
seats could be easily wiped off and that there would
be an usher there to help them if need be,
so the Bengals could be subject to fines because I
guess this is something that the Bengals are responsible for
and per the league should be.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Doing for their fans. But cheap asses, man.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
My god, I mean, do you wonder how dumb it
is to the Bills. Whenever they have home games and
their snow, they'll pay fans. They'll say, hey, we'll give
you a couple of tickets to the game. We'll pay
you like fifteen bucks an hour if you want to
come shovel snow at the stadium like you. How many
Bengals fans would be like, I'm in, Like, get into
the game, get a couple of tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Probably now I'll give us some like free drinks.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'll be snowball fighting like crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You would.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh yeah. I Let the people who are really going
to work on getting those seats clean, let them do
that while we some of us just create some fun
by throwing snowballs.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
If you have to do is have like an electric blower.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I mean it's not like that snow is like packing
or anything like that thing would bloat out the seats.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Think so shit, Oh well, then I'd definitely be in there.
Have my little backpack on. I don't want the battery
pack one. I want the cass one. I have put
that joint on my back. The gas ones are louder,
but yeah, I'm gonna be loud up in there.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Hair rightights I get that off?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yah?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
How does it get to that place?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean they're pretty good in Buffalo. No, I'm talking
about uh Cincinnati. Oh yeah, Cincinnati. At it ain't Cincinnati.
It's a damn Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Joe Joe Burrow, who everybody, uh you know, painted out
to be.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Uh he's not happy man.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, it wasn't happy.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Uh, borderline miserable. Joe Burrow spoke after the game about
his comments and wanted everybody to know last week it
was no shot directed at Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
My comments had nothing to do with Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
My comments had everything to do with me and my
mindset in football.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Do you still have confidence in the people in the
front office and the coaching staff that they can get
this roster in a place and this team in a
place where that wouldn't happen next year.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's a lot of confidence because I don't know how
hard people work at it, and we got the right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
People starts, the players playing better, and today with me
from the outside, Joe fans are.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
They're going to say that the organizations top to bottom
front office doesn't have enough people or the right people
in place. You honestly feel that they do and why
this is a team effort. You know, at the end
of the day, players got to play better on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Today was me, I gotta be better?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
What do you feel like everything not happy. Hey, when
the media feel like they got somebody where they want them,
don't they go? Don't they go? They can sense that
little bit of like frustration and it or irritation in
his voice. They were just popping right on in whatn't
they no space? You know? I used to do because
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because I always get my mom like credit. But in
situations like that where you're clearly frustrated and the media
clearly senses it, you just stop, be like just hold
on a second. So hold on all right, now? What
was your question? Simple? Like, because what happens is is
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when you're frustrated, you're so wired to I just got
to complete it. Let me let me answer super quickly.
I answer super quickly, and then I can be done.
So then you get you get caught into that rhythm
of now they've they've sucked you into their rhythm of
getting getting the information out of you the way that
they want to get in and while they may not
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be successful in doing so, it still turns into like
a frustrating like you know, almost like a suffocating type
of feeling. You just just slow them down, like, hey,
you know, hold on one second, like just give me
a second like you just answered. I just answered your question. Like,
let just give me. I got you, guys, I promise
I'm gonna answer you questions. I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
He kind of did that the other day though, like
when when we initially played the sound and he sounded
like very down and depressed. It wasn't like he I mean,
he kind of took his time. He kind of was,
you know, just answering.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What they had for him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think the interesting thing is, like, if it's not
the organization related, obviously, it's the reality that the season
hasn't gone the way they had hoped and he missed
a poor something with injuries.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But I just I keep going back to this.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do you think anyone in that locker room like feels
bad for Joe? Yeah, he's making two hundred and sixty
million dollars. Like, I've never been around a locker room
where when a guy was down or had a bad
game when he was being paid, well, guys felt bad
for him.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh I was. I definitely would have been the first
one over there talking to him.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that I would have.
I would if I'm not saying that, hold.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
On, I'm not saying that they're ostracizing him, or like
they're they're isolating him. Okay, I'm saying though, at the
end of the day, people kind of goya, he's.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Gonna pay two or sixty million. I think he'll be
all right.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like most guys kind of look at it a very
professional standpoint, Like what you're talking about's emotional, like guys
will go over and say, hey, man picking up all stuff.
But like I always feel like there's an element of
dude when you're that guy. You're the paid guy, you're
also expected to come to work and be like the
tone setter. You're also expected to be the guy to
come to work and uplift everyone. Like your job isn't
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just to go out there and be great on the field,
it's also to provide that, like, you know, hope for
the organization, the franchise, and oftentimes, especially in circumstances like this,
it's how you attack each day, how you approach each day.
And I just, you know, it's tough hearing him like
this because I think he's the type of guy that
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probably is like that. But with their circumstances and not
baking the playoffs, it feels like it's just taking everything
out of them.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I'm gonna continue to say I would have been a
teammate that would have genuinely had concern for my teammate.
And yes it would be emotional because that's my teammate,
So I would have that emotional connection to it if
he was in a down, down spot. And you know,
I've been around teammates. I could think of one in particular,
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what a douchebag, like just a blockhead type dude, and
he led everything with what dudes made? Call you make
da da da da da da da da dah. You
ain't got nothing to worry about. Like, And I used
to always tell the dude, I was like, first of all,
you're you're supposed to be a leader on this team,
Like that's first and foremost so the fact that you're
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so immature that you're sitting there talking about dudes paychecks
is like that's unbecoming of you as as a person
and as a leader. For one, and then for two, like, bro,
why you pocket watching like you're a gazer? Br Like
what is your problem?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Man?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Like this is the reason why we don't win? Like
do you understand Kat? Be ready to fight me? When
I had these conversations like this isn't a hypothetical, Like
I'm just throwing this out there, like you're the dream hero.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You were the hero of the situation.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I'm not saying I was a team hero, but I
certainly was there to call that out when a dude
would sit there and say something like that to the quarterback.
Like we be on the bus after a loss and
we hit back and and I could remember one time distinctly,
like we were leaving Philly and it's like we almost
got into a fight over it because it's like, why
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are you sitting there like you bashing but for what?
Like do you understand that's why we lose?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
But that was always Patrick Ramsey's knock, Like that was
always the knock against him.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I'm not going to like the vulge on that that
level of it, but I'm just telling you, like dudes
will come at you on on that level.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Like Joonnas in his band, they were always kind of
riding someone, you know, someone who was pulling their weight.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, tell me about it. Usually me.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't know. I don't know where y'all wanted to
take this. I was giving y'all some recollection. Y'all are
being very immature. And you know what, this is the
reason why we won't win as a show, because you
guys are very immature and now y'all handle very very
serious topics.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is not being an individual again, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Being an individual. I was just drawing our attention to
the fact that you guys are very very child.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Teammate right now.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
No know, what it sounds is like, is though you
guys are antagonists and your indicators and and that you know,
I can't make a point we got I want to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, Can we get back to something that I
think we can all agree upon? What how ridiculous is
that they wouldn't wipe off the seats.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I mean, you've got.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Eight or nine home games a year and just one
of them, maybe two, you can't wipe off.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Was it a bench or was it a seat?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Seats?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, I don't know how many seats are in that stadium.
If you had to say, like sixty thousand, like give
or take sixty thousand seats, how long would you think
it would take.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, that's not including like the luxury boxes and places
where they don't have to wipe it off.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So if it was sixty.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
There's probably forty right that would need to be wiped off,
maybe forty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Or even the ones that are under like maybe you know,
covered areas of the stadium. Yeah, they looked awful yesterday, man,
And it's not disinterested.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
It looked like they quit. It looked like they realized, well,
if he's if he's that, you know, if he sounds
like that during the week, and he was, you know,
the only thing we had to look forward to when
he came back on Thanksgiving and everyone was like, oh, man,
Joe Burrow was you know, he's a force multiplier and
look what he did with the this team, and all
of a sudden, they've got new life. If they heard
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those comments during the week, they're probably like fit whatever,
like this is, this is where we're at.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
We're just gonna you just gonna mail it in.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Because they made Baltimore look good and Baltimore's not good,
which is problematic.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They made them look real good. Actually, I don't know, Man,
didn't look like a competitive game. It wasn't a fun
game to watch.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That's why I wonder if if that's the case, how
much of this, how much of the blame does Zach
Taylor get when it comes to how this looks after
the year, and I don't think he should be fired.
I don't like calling for people to lose their job,
but I just.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Want to, how can you, like, honestly, how can you
take it at face value that his frustration, Joe Burrow's
frustration and disappointment and unhappiness isn't team related. It is
the team. You can't say it's not the team. It
is the team, Okay, But can I defend the Bengals
in this regard? They're probably not thrilled either with the
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fact that he can't stay on the field, Like that's
not their fault. He can't stay healthy, and it's not
necessarily his fault. It's just that's also been part of
this conversation. They've missed the playoffs three years in a row,
and in large part because he's missed time because he
can't stay healthy. But if he was telling you why
he can't stay healthy, what would he cite as the reason?
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And does that play a part in his frustration.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
They had an opportunity to draft Penay Seol, they took
Jamar Chase. I'm not saying they made a bad decision.
But they had an opportunity there and they draft his guy. Okay,
but they've given it again.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But again from your perspective and your angle, that's that's
I get that from his perspective and his angle. What
do you think his perspective and angle is on why
he's getting hurt? He's getting hit. He's getting hit, which
means he doesn't feel protected. If I don't feel protected,
I don't feel confident in what I have going on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But that's what Jonas is saying.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like, the point is
is that whether we're saying it's Jamar Chase or it's
Pine Soeuel, He's not going to sit there and be
of the mindset that like, oh wow, I need to
have sympathies towards the Bengals for not getting somebody to
protect me. He's looking at it as y'all aren't protecting me,
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So the Bengals can't like. However they feel about it
is how they feel about it. Joe Burrow isn't looking
at it as though, Oh, I'm sympathetic to the fact
that we could have got pane a soul, but but
we went and got Jamar Chase, because that's who I
want it like, you're not looking at it that way.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Joe Flacco was born during the Civil War and he
didn't seem like he had any problems staying healthy.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Huh.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Joe Flacco played a decent amount for the form during
the Civil War and he doesn't seem like he has
any problem staying healthy.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So that's why I look at it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What are you saying it's a Joe Burrow issue?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Just soft that's what John I'm not saying he saw
when his hand hits off of a helmet or somebody
hits him in his leg.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Some people just don't have luck when it comes to injuries.
They get for whatever reason, their snake bit, whatever you
want to call it. And Joe Burrow seemingly every year
something pops up. There's always something that happens with him
every year. And I don't know that you can blame
the Bengals on that. It's just bad luck.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Like everybody gets injured, man, everybody. There's not one dude
that doesn't get injured. It's just a matter of Some
guys can pay play through certain amounts of pain injuries.
Some guys they get injured and the injury is like,
it's just what it is. But you're you're you're lucky
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if you can get to a contract like a Joe Burrow.
You're lucky if you can get to a contract like
a Micah Parkson, especially in.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The ninety nine cent store of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Before before an injury that can be used and held
against you transpires. Like that's the reality.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I just think, like, well, you know, the Bengals have
failed him, but have they really?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Though?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Like, he's he's been paid, They've paid both his wide receivers. Meanwhile,
Tran Hendrickson's got you know, a bum hip and whatever
else is going on there. They couldn't get a long
term deal done, but they were able to get him
back on you know whatever, and never they got him
at I just I look at it and I go,
it's easy to just blame the Bengals for where Joe
Burrow's at in his career as opposed to dude, like
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he has stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Was was t Higgins on the field yesterday? Oh you played?
Didn't he? Because he had the concussion? He was in
a protoco on the field. He was out yesterday out,
Jamar Chase was out there. Who else was out there.
Boy Boyd was out there.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Andre Yoshiva's boys and boys not there.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
No, he's not even there. Yeah, yes, was there? Taylor
boy did? Where's he at now? Anyway, I'm trying to
figure out who was out there? Like, because my whole thing.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Is Ikey Woods.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
He wasn't out there. Green.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You should know. You should know one of the players
they got.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Mikeksecki's Penn State good Sickie Tinsley is the kid out
of what was a Western Kentucky, right, I think Mitchell Tinsley.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
No where he came from Westernentucky to Penn State.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah. I'll just say this, Drew Sample. They weren't as
they were not a team that should have lost to
the Baltimore Ravens and their current state the way that
they did. Like, That's what I'll say. And you asked
the question earlier. Does that fall at the feet of
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the head coach? And I would say one hundred percent
it does because this lack of determination or wanting to
finish out the season or wanting to put your best
foot forward. Now everybody seems to be in you know,
self preservation mode, whatever that may be. That that is
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a situation that has to be managed by your coaching staff.
You have to have a pulse on your team and
understand what your team needs going into the games that
they're playing in and if it doesn't matter enough for
you to address it in a way where you can
get them to respond. That is all you need to
know about the leadership of the team and for what
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it's worth. I have to be looking at the team
leaders and making the same assessment. Even though the bigger,
the bigger conversation stems with the coaching it's the head coach.
He has to take the brunt of the blame for
a non motivated team. It's just what that's the reality
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of it. That's why you get paid the big dollars.
That's why you're the decision maker and you're put in
a position that you're in is for moments like those?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Does it warrant him losing his job?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Not saying you're calling for it, but does it warrant
him I'm not calling for his job three years ago?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
They've missed a plan.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
If you're shooting from the hip and you're saying, you
have to ask yourself the question, is this team here
and going to be here is this the ceiling of
what we will get with with our current current staff.
If you come to the conclusion looking at the analytics
and looking at how the statistics break down, like even
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how many times Joe Burrow may go down with an
injury or what you know, what it looks like for
you salary cat wise, with the amount of players that
you're going to be able to keep and for how
long if you're looking at all the information and that
information comes back and it leaves Zach Wilson delinquent. That's
his name, right, Zach Wilson Taylor, Zach Taylor, Zach Taylor.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Who's who cares.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Zach Wilson is the quarterbacks or quarterbacks? The quarterback Zach Taylor.
I just think that you got to make the decision
based off of what you believe the ceiling is for
does Yeah, for your for your staff.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Here's that Tyler boy? Is he still there?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Hadn't been there in four years?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I mean that long. That just means that's how delinquent
that team is. It's not about me, It's about how
delinquent they are. To pay attention to them. Nobody about me.
Nobody's paying attention to them. Close enough to even know
who their their roster is.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'll just say this man, I hope he gets his
spirit energy and like.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Just desire to want to compete and be excited about
the opportunity he's got. He's making a lot of money.
He's a really talented player. He is healthy enough to
play right now. And when you are on a team
that doesn't have any hopes for the playoff, you have
to come in every day and like be that light.
So we can talk about Zach Taylor, Zach Wilson for
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that matter, but Joe Burrow has to be the leader.
He has to be that guy that everyone looks to for,
you know, at times their inspiration. It's not easy, right
because they know they don't have any postseason aspirations. But
they can still say, hey, let's go out and kick
some mass the rest of the season and we'll prepare
for twenty twenty six thinking less.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Regardless of whether you know whether the coach comes back
or not, that's still a conversation that needs to be
had with him. With Joe Burrow, you need if I'm
the GM, if I'm a higher up, you need to
make sure you have that conversation with him because to
whom which is give him much is required and that's
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a responsibility like when you when you take on the
responsibility of one of those types of contracts and being
at the position that you're in, that's that's part of
that's part of the job description. So somebody needs to
And again I think that that's why it falls at
the feet of the head coach, because that is a
conversation that the head coach and maybe he is I
(23:23):
don't I don't know if he is or not, but
it doesn't seem like it's resonating.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
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dot com. Congratulations to Fernando Mendoza who won the Heisman
on Saturday. Not a big surprise for anybody that was
also part of a Quinn's wins.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Correct, that's right, that's right, shot in the dark, but hey,
someone's got to make those bets and we made it.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We made it, by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Not a bad not a bad weekend for Quinn's wins.
Thank you to there a lot of state for coming back.
Fine way to win that one couldn't get enough points
out of boys to do anything.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I mean, my gosh, yeah, so would you do three
and two?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Three and two?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Over for the year over five bowl season. When you
don't know who's gonna play, that's not bad. It's like
NFL p.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Army covered for me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Unfortunate for Jeff Manka and the Boys, though maybe out
the win.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I also thought it'd be higher scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Gosh, I knew they were going to play hard, man.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Dang, they got herds.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Doesn't well, playing hard couldn't necessarily scorn points, but it
could pop stably mean not scoring points. Q. I know
you're off.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Playing hard us. Yes, that's a possibility.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
It could possibly potentially to less less points. Like Yeah,
some of those hits were like to me, was what's football?
There was football being played. You don't hear guys hit anymore.
You don't. You don't hear the collisions anymore. You did
in that game, they were colliding like I loved it.
(29:25):
Army had it, they had it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
They gave it away, so they.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Let them off the hook. Man. They knew who they
were and they let them get it. So but it
was a hell of a game to watch, man, what
a great Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I've got to get there. I don't. We've got to
get there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I don't we get you should we should?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Gosh, seems like it can be done.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Most I think Lav and I are in the travel.
There are you in the travel?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Why wouldn't that be I take you out of Annapolis.
You don't know why. They'll get some crabs.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
In my U A huge fan of travel. Nah, I mean,
I'm good just staying home. But if it's for an
event like that, a sort of a once in a
lifetime opportunity to go see that game and everything that
comes along with it and what it means, Like, Yeah,
that would be awesome, and it's happened here. We've we've
had a show go out there before from Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Where did I go? Anthony Gargana, Lincoln Kennedy went to
We were talking about So, yeah, I would love to
see it because the thing I love about that game
it's it's just football. Like there's no like, there's not
a bunch of you know, grab ass and Shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's just for grab ass.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Like it's just oh no, I didn't grab ass?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What what what other grab ass is going on?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
It's like, uh like there's there's not there's not people
wondering whether or not Ryan Day's got a nipple piercing
like stuff like that. You're just watching the game and
going everybody, just keep that stuff in the holster and
and just focus on what this game means and and
the people that are putting their life on the line.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Did did I see the army stole the goat before
the game this week?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Did they?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I thought?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I remember seeing them bring the goat into some big
assembly hall and the and obviously the cadet's one nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Huh. You have to look it up to verify.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Why not just get because why not just get a
goat that looks like the one that they have and
do it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, because what's the fun in that?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I mean the fact that you feel the but that
the fact that you feel the sensations of we got
the goat, we got the Napolis goat, you know, we
got the.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well yeah, that's what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
That I mean, but without taking the real one, so
that there's no repercussions or consequences to that.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You know, Oh, I think you want if there's no risk,
there's no there's no reward.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Oh okay, if you're gonna do it, do it right.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah, oh all right, speaking of doing it right, for
your Heisman Trophy winner. Here was a little bit of
his fantastic speech for Saturday night.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I want every kid out there who feels overlooked, under
underestimated to know I was you. I was that kid too,
I was.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
In your shoes.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
The truth is you don't need the most stars, hype
or rankings. You need to need discipline, heart and people
who believe in you, and you need to believe in
your own abilities. I hope this moment shows you that
chasing your dreams are worth it, no matter how big
or impossible they seem. God bless gohoders, Thank.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You guys all.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There is the Cuban force gump with this on Fox
Sports right, A.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Couple of things to throw out there. Fourth Heisman winner
in a row. I believe that as a transfer, So
do with that what you will. I personally I loved
his speech. There's a lot of people who are knocking
his stats, which here's the only thing I'd say about that.
And this is where there's a lot of ignorance out
(32:59):
there on social meid in the internet. If you look
at the stats for all the quarterbacks, they were down
in comparison to what it's been in the past.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And one of the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Reasons is the actual pace of play.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So since they've started doing the coach to quarterback, teams
are running a lot slower because it takes longer to
get the plays.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
In, longer to call them, longer to run them.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And there's also a thought for some of those teams
in particularly, I know this for a fact with the
Highot State. I know this for a fact with Notre Dame,
is the season is in most cases they're looking at
it being much longer than just their normal.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Twelve schedule games.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
If you're part of a conference at least thirteen for
their conference championship and the potential of having to go
play you know, three or four games of the playoff.
So there's a lot of coaches too who are trying
to limit snaps and opportunities. And if you looked at
all the stats of these players, they weren't as much
as what they'd been in the past because of a
(33:54):
number of those things. And then like the Jeremiah Love
they're comparing Johnny Manziel's rushing stats is it's like.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well he was.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He's also splitting carries Nimrod like he's got another running
back That ended up being a second team All American
this year. So I just I do hate some of
the conversations that try to knock down these young men
for what they are on the field now what they
are off the field. There's an element of like, and
(34:22):
I'm sure you know, everyone's gonna make fun of how
Francisco Mendoza sounds. Sounds dorky, I'm sure if some would say,
And what's odd to me is like, I don't care
how it sounds. Like his matchic is incredible. He's got
a passion for the game. He stepped up and time
and time again made plays in critical moments to lead
(34:42):
his team to be the number one team in the country, undefeated,
winning the Big Ten Championship with the number one overall
seed in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Like, you can't ask him to do much more.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And so you know, we can have a talk about
what he's going to be as a draft prospect and
all that stuff, but I do wish we just appreciate
him for what he is and what he brought to
the game. And on the flip side, with Diego Pavia,
there's also that element too where I feel like what
he did on the field was incredible, uplifting, Vanderbilt. But
I think what he probably doesn't realize is he has
(35:16):
done as much damage to himself.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Who is going to be a player.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's looked at, at least as an NFL draft prospect,
is probably a mid to late round pick in the
first place, just because of his height, and if you
really turn on the tape and watch him, he struggles
to play from the pocket, and that's just something that
you have to be able to do to be successful
in the NFL. But the stuff he put out there
on social media, the way he's partying afterwards with the
(35:43):
f Indiana, the whole thing, the whole thing, and then
he puts out a statement that you could tell someone
with your agency or you can tell someone had put
out from Vanderbilt that it's not his words.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, the f all the voters, family for life stuff
on social media that was there, and then what we
say at a party he was saying some stuff afterwards.
It's like, like, I know that he's.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Flicking off the camera they bring out ASAA says f Indiana,
which you don't think someone with his.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Crew is like, let's let's do this.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's either got a terrible group around him and maybe
it's his family too, with his brother getting arrested and
get an awful advice or he just doesn't care, and
both are bad, especially if he wants to play in
the NFL.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
I mean, I know that he's that Manziel's kind of
a mentor to him, but like, I don't know if
this is he wants so desperately to be that guy,
but he just like he.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Comes off I mean, manziel mentor him to be the
way manziel was. Seems like Manzielle has done a lot
of growing up since those days. So if he's, if
he truly is a role model to him, I mean,
I don't think that that would be the advice that
he would give him is to screw yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I hope the part parts he just wants to bring
him down with him. You know, maybe he needs more
friends there.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
The part the part I would the part I kind
of struggle with is and Mendoza mentioned it, you know,
during his speech and he's talking about all the legends
that are behind him on the stage, like basically the
who's who of college football, the guys that won that award,
and those guys go back there and they're so proud
to be in that room. Mendoza handled it perfectly and brilliantly.
(37:32):
And then you've got this other guy who's out there
doing what it's like do you not recognize the company
you keep? Like the fact that Brady you were you
were a Heisman finalist.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well was there?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I had better stats than Troy Smith, Like you could
have made the Diego Pavia line. I mean, Notre Dame
had the worst season the history of Notre Dame football
after I left, Like you could have made that same
argument people were making won the Maxwell Award, which is
the other player of the Year award, right, so you could.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Have that argument.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I could have been salty about it. The reality is
is what it is.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
But weren't you looking around that room going, do you
know how cool this is to be there?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Like just just to honestly, I I there's two thoughts
that went through my head with the whole thing. I
hate individual attention. So the first thought I always had
it was like, it's a it's a team award, like
my my thing was. And I know obviously paid now
they've got money and the Heisman trust. You know it
wasn't willing to then, but you know, these all these
(38:29):
teams and players can like fly their.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Guys out with them. I wish I could have brought
my entire line.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I wish I could have brought Uh Samarge. I wish
I could have brought like a bunch of guys you
know with me, Raymond McKnight, Maurice stovall guys who were
all a part of that, because it's it's not an
individual It is an individual award, but it's not like
every single guy that's a part of that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I wish could have been there. That's the first thing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The second is, you know, I wanted other people like
my parents to experience it, even though like they I
remember they interviewed my pa and said, I've never seen
my dad.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I've never seen Chopper looked more like shell shocked him
not wanting to be in that position ever.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
But he hates being around crowds, hates being around people
in public, and now they're going to put a light
on them and try to interview him like it was.
It was one of his more awkward moments. But I
know we're up against them on the break. I would
just say this to me, it was always a moment
for like everyone who helped you get there, and I
thought Fernando Mendoza did a good job of describing that
for a lot of the people out there, and then
(39:29):
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All right, who's got it? We had Tamali and I.
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So, oh gosh, you're hanging in there this morning. Yeah,
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I brought LeVar into Molly's with a homemade salsa that
bred my mother in law mad and he refused to
eat it. I'm gonna make some eggs with him. There
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Wow. Oh yeah, my uh, mister sticks got into the
bottom of the house like his entryway into the house,
and somehow someway locked himself into the bathroom. And when
I went down to do the radio and realized that
he had locked himself into the bathroom and let him out,
(41:52):
apparently he had his way with the commote and he
got very slobbery drinkers of water. So it was that,
and then there was also a very very large, large,
large amount of what would be perceived as like I'm
nervous and my anxiety kicked in, so I just start,
(42:13):
you know, peeing everywhere. So there was a lot of
dog pee all over the place.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So he didn't make it in the toilet, No.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
He didn't. He didn't try to put it. He was
just drinking from the toilet. But hey, if you could.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Teach him to piss up right.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
He's as tall as me on his hind legs, Bros.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's almost as big as Boss Hog was.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Almost, he's as big as I am standing on as
big as Yeah, no, my guys are we're going to
be four fifteen. That's a that's a big ass dog.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Wouldn't that win if you if your dog could piss
up right, wouldn't that win you the Westminster Dog Show?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I mean yeah, but they would have to go down,
they would have to pee down. They're just not they're
not you know, they're not angled that to be.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Would Why wouldn't he win?
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Your dogg And.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It's just all about being able to teach a dog
how to peak. He can say, there's a little bit
more to it. He's got saying put on the wall,
would have a toilet smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Push it down a couple of long guards. He should win.
He should win.
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Speaker 4 (00:32):
Hey, do y'all realize how often y'all hear this song
now during football games?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I only hear it on our show.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Really, yeah, I hear it after like before every kickoff.
I'd be watching it.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Youping off of you?
Speaker 4 (00:47):
No, no, no, no no. I just think I never
paid attention to how often this song would use.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So does that make you more original or less original?
Speaker 5 (00:57):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
I was just late to the party, I guess. But
it's a hype song for certain Bro.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Imagine when you get up on this Google Docs game
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You to do.
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Yeah, it's going to be like you could be like
I should have been doing this forever. I don't want
to be exposed to that type of world.
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I'm not going.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
I'm trying to go the other way.
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Huh, I'm not going.
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I'm not going to Nope.
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I don't know if you want to play taps again
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Speaker 4 (01:55):
Apparently we're getting judged for you know, this is sports
Talk radio in well and has come for this team
one hundred judge for what you know, because there's some
some stuff really going on. Look at your your solo
swift and you see it.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
I mean I try not to.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
It's legit though it's as yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Yeah, okay, I mean, what are we gonna.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Do nothing except talk about the Bengals. The Bungals.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yeah, the uh that's a wrap on the Cincinnati Bengals season.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Really really nice things to say about their gift to
the fans coming into the stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I mean time, dude, I don't understand how Bengals fans
get so defensive when you season ticket holders walked into
the stadium. They're a pay corps and they didn't even
pay anyone to wipe off your seat and pft. Mike Florio,
he reached out to the Bengals for a comment. Apparently
(03:09):
their reply was they prioritized the aisles and that the
seats could be easily wiped off and that there would
be an usher there to help them if need be,
so the Bengals could be subject to fines because I
guess this is something that the Bengals are responsible for
and per the league should be.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Doing for their fans. But cheap asses, man.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
My god, I mean, do you wonder how dumb it
is to the Bills. Whenever they have home games and
their snow, they'll pay fans. They'll say, hey, we'll give
you a couple of tickets to the game. We'll pay
you like fifteen bucks an hour if you want to
come shovel snow at the stadium like you. How many
Bengals fans would be like, I'm in, Like, get into
the game, get a couple of tickets.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Probably now I'll give us some like free drinks.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I'll be snowball fighting like crazy.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
You would.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh yeah. I Let the people who are really going
to work on getting those seats clean, let them do
that while we some of us just create some fun
by throwing snowballs.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
If you have to do is have like an electric blower.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I mean it's not like that snow is like packing
or anything like that thing would bloat out the seats.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Think so shit, Oh well, then I'd definitely be in there.
Have my little backpack on. I don't want the battery
pack one. I want the cass one. I have put
that joint on my back. The gas ones are louder,
but yeah, I'm gonna be loud up in there.
Speaker 7 (04:34):
Hair rightights I get that off?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Yah?
Speaker 5 (04:42):
How does it get to that place?
Speaker 4 (04:45):
I mean they're pretty good in Buffalo. No, I'm talking
about uh Cincinnati. Oh yeah, Cincinnati. At it ain't Cincinnati.
It's a damn Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Joe Joe Burrow, who everybody, uh you know, painted out
to be.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Uh he's not happy man.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah, it wasn't happy.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Uh, borderline miserable. Joe Burrow spoke after the game about
his comments and wanted everybody to know last week it
was no shot directed at Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
My comments had nothing to do with Cincinnati.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
My comments had everything to do with me and my
mindset in football.
Speaker 8 (05:27):
Do you still have confidence in the people in the
front office and the coaching staff that they can get
this roster in a place and this team in a
place where that wouldn't happen next year.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
It's a lot of confidence because I don't know how
hard people work at it, and we got the right.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
People starts, the players playing better, and today with me
from the outside, Joe fans are.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
They're going to say that the organizations top to bottom
front office doesn't have enough people or the right people
in place. You honestly feel that they do and why
this is a team effort. You know, at the end
of the day, players got to play better on the field.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Today was me, I gotta be better?
Speaker 4 (06:05):
What do you feel like everything not happy. Hey, when
the media feel like they got somebody where they want them,
don't they go? Don't they go? They can sense that
little bit of like frustration and it or irritation in
his voice. They were just popping right on in whatn't
they no space? You know? I used to do because
(06:26):
because I always get my mom like credit. But in
situations like that where you're clearly frustrated and the media
clearly senses it, you just stop, be like just hold
on a second. So hold on all right, now? What
was your question? Simple? Like, because what happens is is
(06:49):
when you're frustrated, you're so wired to I just got
to complete it. Let me let me answer super quickly.
I answer super quickly, and then I can be done.
So then you get you get caught into that rhythm
of now they've they've sucked you into their rhythm of
getting getting the information out of you the way that
they want to get in and while they may not
(07:10):
be successful in doing so, it still turns into like
a frustrating like you know, almost like a suffocating type
of feeling. You just just slow them down, like, hey,
you know, hold on one second, like just give me
a second like you just answered. I just answered your question. Like,
let just give me. I got you, guys, I promise
I'm gonna answer you questions. I got you.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
He kind of did that the other day though, like
when when we initially played the sound and he sounded
like very down and depressed. It wasn't like he I mean,
he kind of took his time. He kind of was,
you know, just answering.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
What they had for him.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I think the interesting thing is, like, if it's not
the organization related, obviously, it's the reality that the season
hasn't gone the way they had hoped and he missed
a poor something with injuries.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
But I just I keep going back to this.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Do you think anyone in that locker room like feels
bad for Joe? Yeah, he's making two hundred and sixty
million dollars. Like, I've never been around a locker room
where when a guy was down or had a bad
game when he was being paid, well, guys felt bad
for him.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh I was. I definitely would have been the first
one over there talking to him.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
No, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that I would have.
I would if I'm not saying that, hold.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
On, I'm not saying that they're ostracizing him, or like
they're they're isolating him. Okay, I'm saying though, at the
end of the day, people kind of goya, he's.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Gonna pay two or sixty million. I think he'll be
all right.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like most guys kind of look at it a very
professional standpoint, Like what you're talking about's emotional, like guys
will go over and say, hey, man picking up all stuff.
But like I always feel like there's an element of
dude when you're that guy. You're the paid guy, you're
also expected to come to work and be like the
tone setter. You're also expected to be the guy to
come to work and uplift everyone. Like your job isn't
(08:59):
just to go out there and be great on the field,
it's also to provide that, like, you know, hope for
the organization, the franchise, and oftentimes, especially in circumstances like this,
it's how you attack each day, how you approach each day.
And I just, you know, it's tough hearing him like
this because I think he's the type of guy that
(09:20):
probably is like that. But with their circumstances and not
baking the playoffs, it feels like it's just taking everything
out of them.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I'm gonna continue to say I would have been a
teammate that would have genuinely had concern for my teammate.
And yes it would be emotional because that's my teammate,
So I would have that emotional connection to it if
he was in a down, down spot. And you know,
I've been around teammates. I could think of one in particular,
(09:50):
what a douchebag, like just a blockhead type dude, and
he led everything with what dudes made? Call you make
da da da da da da da da dah. You
ain't got nothing to worry about. Like, And I used
to always tell the dude, I was like, first of all,
you're you're supposed to be a leader on this team,
Like that's first and foremost so the fact that you're
(10:13):
so immature that you're sitting there talking about dudes paychecks
is like that's unbecoming of you as as a person
and as a leader. For one, and then for two, like, bro,
why you pocket watching like you're a gazer? Br Like
what is your problem?
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Man?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Like this is the reason why we don't win? Like
do you understand Kat? Be ready to fight me? When
I had these conversations like this isn't a hypothetical, Like
I'm just throwing this out there, like you're the dream hero.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
You were the hero of the situation.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I'm not saying I was a team hero, but I
certainly was there to call that out when a dude
would sit there and say something like that to the quarterback.
Like we be on the bus after a loss and
we hit back and and I could remember one time distinctly,
like we were leaving Philly and it's like we almost
got into a fight over it because it's like, why
(11:09):
are you sitting there like you bashing but for what?
Like do you understand that's why we lose?
Speaker 6 (11:15):
But that was always Patrick Ramsey's knock, Like that was
always the knock against him.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
I'm not going to like the vulge on that that
level of it, but I'm just telling you, like dudes
will come at you on on that level.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Like Joonnas in his band, they were always kind of
riding someone, you know, someone who was pulling their weight.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, tell me about it. Usually me.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I don't know. I don't know where y'all wanted to
take this. I was giving y'all some recollection. Y'all are
being very immature. And you know what, this is the
reason why we won't win as a show, because you
guys are very immature and now y'all handle very very
serious topics.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
This is not being an individual again, No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Being an individual. I was just drawing our attention to
the fact that you guys are very very child.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Teammate right now.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
No know, what it sounds is like, is though you
guys are antagonists and your indicators and and that you know,
I can't make a point we got I want to
be funny.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
You know, Can we get back to something that I
think we can all agree upon? What how ridiculous is
that they wouldn't wipe off the seats.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I mean, you've got.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Eight or nine home games a year and just one
of them, maybe two, you can't wipe off.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Was it a bench or was it a seat?
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Seats?
Speaker 6 (12:31):
Yeah, I don't know how many seats are in that stadium.
If you had to say, like sixty thousand, like give
or take sixty thousand seats, how long would you think
it would take.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Well, that's not including like the luxury boxes and places
where they don't have to wipe it off.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
So if it was sixty.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
There's probably forty right that would need to be wiped off,
maybe forty five thousand.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Or even the ones that are under like maybe you know,
covered areas of the stadium. Yeah, they looked awful yesterday, man,
And it's not disinterested.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
It looked like they quit. It looked like they realized, well,
if he's if he's that, you know, if he sounds
like that during the week, and he was, you know,
the only thing we had to look forward to when
he came back on Thanksgiving and everyone was like, oh, man,
Joe Burrow was you know, he's a force multiplier and
look what he did with the this team, and all
of a sudden, they've got new life. If they heard
(13:24):
those comments during the week, they're probably like fit whatever,
like this is, this is where we're at.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
We're just gonna you just gonna mail it in.
Speaker 6 (13:33):
Because they made Baltimore look good and Baltimore's not good,
which is problematic.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
They made them look real good. Actually, I don't know, Man,
didn't look like a competitive game. It wasn't a fun
game to watch.
Speaker 6 (13:46):
That's why I wonder if if that's the case, how
much of this, how much of the blame does Zach
Taylor get when it comes to how this looks after
the year, and I don't think he should be fired.
I don't like calling for people to lose their job,
but I just.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
Want to, how can you, like, honestly, how can you
take it at face value that his frustration, Joe Burrow's
frustration and disappointment and unhappiness isn't team related. It is
the team. You can't say it's not the team. It
is the team, Okay, But can I defend the Bengals
in this regard? They're probably not thrilled either with the
(14:27):
fact that he can't stay on the field, Like that's
not their fault. He can't stay healthy, and it's not
necessarily his fault. It's just that's also been part of
this conversation. They've missed the playoffs three years in a row,
and in large part because he's missed time because he
can't stay healthy. But if he was telling you why
he can't stay healthy, what would he cite as the reason?
(14:47):
And does that play a part in his frustration.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
They had an opportunity to draft Penay Seol, they took
Jamar Chase. I'm not saying they made a bad decision.
But they had an opportunity there and they draft his guy. Okay,
but they've given it again.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
But again from your perspective and your angle, that's that's
I get that from his perspective and his angle. What
do you think his perspective and angle is on why
he's getting hurt? He's getting hit. He's getting hit, which
means he doesn't feel protected. If I don't feel protected,
I don't feel confident in what I have going on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
But that's what Jonas is saying.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Like, the point is
is that whether we're saying it's Jamar Chase or it's
Pine Soeuel, He's not going to sit there and be
of the mindset that like, oh wow, I need to
have sympathies towards the Bengals for not getting somebody to
protect me. He's looking at it as y'all aren't protecting me,
(15:46):
So the Bengals can't like. However they feel about it
is how they feel about it. Joe Burrow isn't looking
at it as though, Oh, I'm sympathetic to the fact
that we could have got pane a soul, but but
we went and got Jamar Chase, because that's who I
want it like, you're not looking at it that way.
Speaker 6 (16:01):
Joe Flacco was born during the Civil War and he
didn't seem like he had any problems staying healthy.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Huh.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Joe Flacco played a decent amount for the form during
the Civil War and he doesn't seem like he has
any problem staying healthy.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
So that's why I look at it.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What are you saying it's a Joe Burrow issue?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Just soft that's what John I'm not saying he saw
when his hand hits off of a helmet or somebody
hits him in his leg.
Speaker 6 (16:29):
Some people just don't have luck when it comes to injuries.
They get for whatever reason, their snake bit, whatever you
want to call it. And Joe Burrow seemingly every year
something pops up. There's always something that happens with him
every year. And I don't know that you can blame
the Bengals on that. It's just bad luck.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Like everybody gets injured, man, everybody. There's not one dude
that doesn't get injured. It's just a matter of Some
guys can pay play through certain amounts of pain injuries.
Some guys they get injured and the injury is like,
it's just what it is. But you're you're you're lucky
(17:05):
if you can get to a contract like a Joe Burrow.
You're lucky if you can get to a contract like
a Micah Parkson, especially in.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
The ninety nine cent store of the NFL.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Before before an injury that can be used and held
against you transpires. Like that's the reality.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I just think, like, well, you know, the Bengals have
failed him, but have they really?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Though?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Like, he's he's been paid, They've paid both his wide receivers. Meanwhile,
Tran Hendrickson's got you know, a bum hip and whatever
else is going on there. They couldn't get a long
term deal done, but they were able to get him
back on you know whatever, and never they got him
at I just I look at it and I go,
it's easy to just blame the Bengals for where Joe
Burrow's at in his career as opposed to dude, like
(17:50):
he has stay healthy.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Was was t Higgins on the field yesterday? Oh you played?
Didn't he? Because he had the concussion? He was in
a protoco on the field. He was out yesterday out,
Jamar Chase was out there. Who else was out there.
Boy Boyd was out there.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Andre Yoshiva's boys and boys not there.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
No, he's not even there. Yeah, yes, was there? Taylor
boy did? Where's he at now? Anyway, I'm trying to
figure out who was out there? Like, because my whole thing.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
Is Ikey Woods.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
He wasn't out there. Green.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You should know. You should know one of the players
they got.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Mikeksecki's Penn State good Sickie Tinsley is the kid out
of what was a Western Kentucky, right, I think Mitchell Tinsley.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, I know that.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
No where he came from Westernentucky to Penn State.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
Yeah. I'll just say this, Drew Sample. They weren't as
they were not a team that should have lost to
the Baltimore Ravens and their current state the way that
they did. Like, That's what I'll say. And you asked
the question earlier. Does that fall at the feet of
(19:11):
the head coach? And I would say one hundred percent
it does because this lack of determination or wanting to
finish out the season or wanting to put your best
foot forward. Now everybody seems to be in you know,
self preservation mode, whatever that may be. That that is
(19:32):
a situation that has to be managed by your coaching staff.
You have to have a pulse on your team and
understand what your team needs going into the games that
they're playing in and if it doesn't matter enough for
you to address it in a way where you can
get them to respond. That is all you need to
know about the leadership of the team and for what
(19:55):
it's worth. I have to be looking at the team
leaders and making the same assessment. Even though the bigger,
the bigger conversation stems with the coaching it's the head coach.
He has to take the brunt of the blame for
a non motivated team. It's just what that's the reality
(20:18):
of it. That's why you get paid the big dollars.
That's why you're the decision maker and you're put in
a position that you're in is for moments like those?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
Does it warrant him losing his job?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Not saying you're calling for it, but does it warrant
him I'm not calling for his job three years ago?
Speaker 5 (20:34):
They've missed a plan.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
If you're shooting from the hip and you're saying, you
have to ask yourself the question, is this team here
and going to be here is this the ceiling of
what we will get with with our current current staff.
If you come to the conclusion looking at the analytics
and looking at how the statistics break down, like even
(20:59):
how many times Joe Burrow may go down with an
injury or what you know, what it looks like for
you salary cat wise, with the amount of players that
you're going to be able to keep and for how
long if you're looking at all the information and that
information comes back and it leaves Zach Wilson delinquent. That's
his name, right, Zach Wilson Taylor, Zach Taylor, Zach Taylor.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Who's who cares.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Zach Wilson is the quarterbacks or quarterbacks? The quarterback Zach Taylor.
I just think that you got to make the decision
based off of what you believe the ceiling is for
does Yeah, for your for your staff.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Here's that Tyler boy? Is he still there?
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Hadn't been there in four years?
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I mean that long. That just means that's how delinquent
that team is. It's not about me, It's about how
delinquent they are. To pay attention to them. Nobody about me.
Nobody's paying attention to them. Close enough to even know
who their their roster is.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
I'll just say this man, I hope he gets his
spirit energy and like.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Just desire to want to compete and be excited about
the opportunity he's got. He's making a lot of money.
He's a really talented player. He is healthy enough to
play right now. And when you are on a team
that doesn't have any hopes for the playoff, you have
to come in every day and like be that light.
So we can talk about Zach Taylor, Zach Wilson for
(22:22):
that matter, but Joe Burrow has to be the leader.
He has to be that guy that everyone looks to for,
you know, at times their inspiration. It's not easy, right
because they know they don't have any postseason aspirations. But
they can still say, hey, let's go out and kick
some mass the rest of the season and we'll prepare
for twenty twenty six thinking less.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
Regardless of whether you know whether the coach comes back
or not, that's still a conversation that needs to be
had with him. With Joe Burrow, you need if I'm
the GM, if I'm a higher up, you need to
make sure you have that conversation with him because to
whom which is give him much is required and that's
(23:03):
a responsibility like when you when you take on the
responsibility of one of those types of contracts and being
at the position that you're in, that's that's part of
that's part of the job description. So somebody needs to
And again I think that that's why it falls at
the feet of the head coach, because that is a
conversation that the head coach and maybe he is I
(23:23):
don't I don't know if he is or not, but
it doesn't seem like it's resonating.
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Speaker 1 (28:14):
Correct, that's right, that's right, shot in the dark, but hey,
someone's got to make those bets and we made it.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
We made it, by the way.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Not a bad not a bad weekend for Quinn's wins.
Thank you to there a lot of state for coming back.
Fine way to win that one couldn't get enough points
out of boys to do anything.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
I mean, my gosh, yeah, so would you do three
and two?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Three and two?
Speaker 6 (28:35):
Over for the year over five bowl season. When you
don't know who's gonna play, that's not bad. It's like
NFL p.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Army covered for me.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Unfortunate for Jeff Manka and the Boys, though maybe out
the win.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I also thought it'd be higher scoring.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Gosh, I knew they were going to play hard, man.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Dang, they got herds.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Doesn't well, playing hard couldn't necessarily scorn points, but it
could pop stably mean not scoring points. Q. I know
you're off.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Playing hard us. Yes, that's a possibility.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
It could possibly potentially to less less points. Like Yeah,
some of those hits were like to me, was what's football?
There was football being played. You don't hear guys hit anymore.
You don't. You don't hear the collisions anymore. You did
in that game, they were colliding like I loved it.
(29:25):
Army had it, they had it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
They gave it away, so they.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Let them off the hook. Man. They knew who they
were and they let them get it. So but it
was a hell of a game to watch, man, what
a great Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I've got to get there. I don't. We've got to
get there.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
I don't we get you should we should?
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Gosh, seems like it can be done.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Most I think Lav and I are in the travel.
There are you in the travel?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Hell?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
Why not?
Speaker 4 (29:51):
Why wouldn't that be I take you out of Annapolis.
You don't know why. They'll get some crabs.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
In my U A huge fan of travel. Nah, I mean,
I'm good just staying home. But if it's for an
event like that, a sort of a once in a
lifetime opportunity to go see that game and everything that
comes along with it and what it means, Like, Yeah,
that would be awesome, and it's happened here. We've we've
had a show go out there before from Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Is that right?
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Where did I go? Anthony Gargana, Lincoln Kennedy went to
We were talking about So, yeah, I would love to
see it because the thing I love about that game
it's it's just football. Like there's no like, there's not
a bunch of you know, grab ass and Shenanigans.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
It's just for grab ass.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Like it's just oh no, I didn't grab ass?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
What what what other grab ass is going on?
Speaker 6 (30:46):
It's like, uh like there's there's not there's not people
wondering whether or not Ryan Day's got a nipple piercing
like stuff like that. You're just watching the game and
going everybody, just keep that stuff in the holster and
and just focus on what this game means and and
the people that are putting their life on the line.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Did did I see the army stole the goat before
the game this week?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Did they?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
I thought?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I remember seeing them bring the goat into some big
assembly hall and the and obviously the cadet's one nuts.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Huh. You have to look it up to verify.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
Why not just get because why not just get a
goat that looks like the one that they have and
do it?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, because what's the fun in that?
Speaker 5 (31:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I mean the fact that you feel the but that
the fact that you feel the sensations of we got
the goat, we got the Napolis goat, you know, we
got the.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Well yeah, that's what we're saying.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
That I mean, but without taking the real one, so
that there's no repercussions or consequences to that.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
You know, Oh, I think you want if there's no risk,
there's no there's no reward.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Oh okay, if you're gonna do it, do it right.
Speaker 6 (31:49):
Yeah, oh all right, speaking of doing it right, for
your Heisman Trophy winner. Here was a little bit of
his fantastic speech for Saturday night.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
I want every kid out there who feels overlooked, under
underestimated to know I was you. I was that kid too,
I was.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
In your shoes.
Speaker 8 (32:11):
The truth is you don't need the most stars, hype
or rankings. You need to need discipline, heart and people
who believe in you, and you need to believe in
your own abilities. I hope this moment shows you that
chasing your dreams are worth it, no matter how big
or impossible they seem. God bless gohoders, Thank.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
You guys all.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
There is the Cuban force gump with this on Fox
Sports right, A.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Couple of things to throw out there. Fourth Heisman winner
in a row. I believe that as a transfer, So
do with that what you will. I personally I loved
his speech. There's a lot of people who are knocking
his stats, which here's the only thing I'd say about that.
And this is where there's a lot of ignorance out
(32:59):
there on social meid in the internet. If you look
at the stats for all the quarterbacks, they were down
in comparison to what it's been in the past.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And one of the.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Reasons is the actual pace of play.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
So since they've started doing the coach to quarterback, teams
are running a lot slower because it takes longer to
get the plays.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
In, longer to call them, longer to run them.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
And there's also a thought for some of those teams
in particularly, I know this for a fact with the
Highot State. I know this for a fact with Notre Dame,
is the season is in most cases they're looking at
it being much longer than just their normal.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Twelve schedule games.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
If you're part of a conference at least thirteen for
their conference championship and the potential of having to go
play you know, three or four games of the playoff.
So there's a lot of coaches too who are trying
to limit snaps and opportunities. And if you looked at
all the stats of these players, they weren't as much
as what they'd been in the past because of a
(33:54):
number of those things. And then like the Jeremiah Love
they're comparing Johnny Manziel's rushing stats is it's like.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well he was.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
He's also splitting carries Nimrod like he's got another running
back That ended up being a second team All American
this year. So I just I do hate some of
the conversations that try to knock down these young men
for what they are on the field now what they
are off the field. There's an element of like, and
(34:22):
I'm sure you know, everyone's gonna make fun of how
Francisco Mendoza sounds. Sounds dorky, I'm sure if some would say,
And what's odd to me is like, I don't care
how it sounds. Like his matchic is incredible. He's got
a passion for the game. He stepped up and time
and time again made plays in critical moments to lead
(34:42):
his team to be the number one team in the country, undefeated,
winning the Big Ten Championship with the number one overall
seed in the playoff.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Like, you can't ask him to do much more.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And so you know, we can have a talk about
what he's going to be as a draft prospect and
all that stuff, but I do wish we just appreciate
him for what he is and what he brought to
the game. And on the flip side, with Diego Pavia,
there's also that element too where I feel like what
he did on the field was incredible, uplifting, Vanderbilt. But
I think what he probably doesn't realize is he has
(35:16):
done as much damage to himself.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Who is going to be a player.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
That's looked at, at least as an NFL draft prospect,
is probably a mid to late round pick in the
first place, just because of his height, and if you
really turn on the tape and watch him, he struggles
to play from the pocket, and that's just something that
you have to be able to do to be successful
in the NFL. But the stuff he put out there
on social media, the way he's partying afterwards with the
(35:43):
f Indiana, the whole thing, the whole thing, and then
he puts out a statement that you could tell someone
with your agency or you can tell someone had put
out from Vanderbilt that it's not his words.
Speaker 6 (35:55):
Yeah, the f all the voters, family for life stuff
on social media that was there, and then what we
say at a party he was saying some stuff afterwards.
It's like, like, I know that he's.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Flicking off the camera they bring out ASAA says f Indiana,
which you don't think someone with his.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Crew is like, let's let's do this.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
He's either got a terrible group around him and maybe
it's his family too, with his brother getting arrested and
get an awful advice or he just doesn't care, and
both are bad, especially if he wants to play in
the NFL.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
I mean, I know that he's that Manziel's kind of
a mentor to him, but like, I don't know if
this is he wants so desperately to be that guy,
but he just like he.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
Comes off I mean, manziel mentor him to be the
way manziel was. Seems like Manzielle has done a lot
of growing up since those days. So if he's, if
he truly is a role model to him, I mean,
I don't think that that would be the advice that
he would give him is to screw yourself.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
I hope the part parts he just wants to bring
him down with him. You know, maybe he needs more
friends there.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
The part the part I would the part I kind
of struggle with is and Mendoza mentioned it, you know,
during his speech and he's talking about all the legends
that are behind him on the stage, like basically the
who's who of college football, the guys that won that award,
and those guys go back there and they're so proud
to be in that room. Mendoza handled it perfectly and brilliantly.
(37:32):
And then you've got this other guy who's out there
doing what it's like do you not recognize the company
you keep? Like the fact that Brady you were you
were a Heisman finalist.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Well was there?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I had better stats than Troy Smith, Like you could
have made the Diego Pavia line. I mean, Notre Dame
had the worst season the history of Notre Dame football
after I left, Like you could have made that same
argument people were making won the Maxwell Award, which is
the other player of the Year award, right, so you could.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Have that argument.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I could have been salty about it. The reality is
is what it is.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
But weren't you looking around that room going, do you
know how cool this is to be there?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Like just just to honestly, I I there's two thoughts
that went through my head with the whole thing. I
hate individual attention. So the first thought I always had
it was like, it's a it's a team award, like
my my thing was. And I know obviously paid now
they've got money and the Heisman trust. You know it
wasn't willing to then, but you know, these all these
(38:29):
teams and players can like fly their.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Guys out with them. I wish I could have brought
my entire line.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
I wish I could have brought Uh Samarge. I wish
I could have brought like a bunch of guys you
know with me, Raymond McKnight, Maurice stovall guys who were
all a part of that, because it's it's not an
individual It is an individual award, but it's not like
every single guy that's a part of that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I wish could have been there. That's the first thing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
The second is, you know, I wanted other people like
my parents to experience it, even though like they I
remember they interviewed my pa and said, I've never seen
my dad.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
I've never seen Chopper looked more like shell shocked him
not wanting to be in that position ever.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
But he hates being around crowds, hates being around people
in public, and now they're going to put a light
on them and try to interview him like it was.
It was one of his more awkward moments. But I
know we're up against them on the break. I would
just say this to me, it was always a moment
for like everyone who helped you get there, and I
thought Fernando Mendoza did a good job of describing that
for a lot of the people out there, and then
(39:29):
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Speaker 2 (39:42):
Pretty awesome.
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Speaker 3 (40:45):
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Speaker 5 (40:56):
All right, who's got it? We had Tamali and I.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So, oh gosh, you're hanging in there this morning. Yeah,
I'm good.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
I brought LeVar into Molly's with a homemade salsa that
bred my mother in law mad and he refused to
eat it. I'm gonna make some eggs with him. There
you go, it sounds good. Yeah, some egg Yeah.
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My my garage doors are on ir Uh, it's so
damn cold. They won't shut, won't open shut. I have
to do everything manually. It's a it's a real predicament o.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Wow. Oh yeah, my uh, mister sticks got into the
bottom of the house like his entryway into the house,
and somehow someway locked himself into the bathroom. And when
I went down to do the radio and realized that
he had locked himself into the bathroom and let him out,
(41:52):
apparently he had his way with the commote and he
got very slobbery drinkers of water. So it was that,
and then there was also a very very large, large,
large amount of what would be perceived as like I'm
nervous and my anxiety kicked in, so I just start,
(42:13):
you know, peeing everywhere. So there was a lot of
dog pee all over the place.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
So he didn't make it in the toilet, No.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
He didn't. He didn't try to put it. He was
just drinking from the toilet. But hey, if you could.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Teach him to piss up right.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
He's as tall as me on his hind legs, Bros.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
That's almost as big as Boss Hog was.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Almost, he's as big as I am standing on as
big as Yeah, no, my guys are we're going to
be four fifteen. That's a that's a big ass dog.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
Wouldn't that win if you if your dog could piss
up right, wouldn't that win you the Westminster Dog Show?
Speaker 4 (42:50):
I mean yeah, but they would have to go down,
they would have to pee down. They're just not they're
not you know, they're not angled that to be.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Would Why wouldn't he win?
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Your dogg And.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
It's just all about being able to teach a dog
how to peak. He can say, there's a little bit
more to it. He's got saying put on the wall,
would have a toilet smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Push it down a couple of long guards. He should win.
He should win.
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