October 28, 2025 • 41 mins
Jonas and LaVar react to news of Bengals defenders calling a Players-Only Meeting, and LaVar gives insight on what these types of meetings are like as a player. The guys discuss Kirby Smart's explanation of how the present landscape in college football is what led to LSU firing Brian Kelly. Plus, does one veteran receiver have anything left in the tank for his new team?
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and subscribe. So, the one of the game games that
(02:00):
we talked about in the NFL over the weekend was
the Jets and the Bengals, and the Jets proceeded to
score close to forty points and put up over five
hundred yards on the Cincinnati Bengals defense. And I know
Pete Prisco let him have it yesterday a little bit,
and we spent a lot of time talking about the
(02:23):
Jets side of things and what it meant for Justin
Fields and how emotional the week was and Woody Johnson
being a disaster as an owner and everything that came
along with it, and Aaron Glenn's first win, etc.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But the other side of that story is the fact
that again the Cincinnati Bengals defense gave up over five
hundred yards total offense and close to forty points to
a New York Jets team that had nothing going for
him offensively for basically the entire year. And there's a
story that came out. There's a story that came out
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yesterday that apparently the Bengals held a players only meeting.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here you go, only fans, players.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Only just the defense, right, So just the defense held
a player's only meeting on Monday following that disastrous performance
against the Jets. So I gotta ask you, what the
hell are those like? After your defense gets absolutely lit
on fire by the New York Jets and you lose
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that game, a game you should have won as close
to a seven point favorite at home against a bad
football team and your defense can't get a stop, what
are those players only meetings like on the defensive side
of the ball for the Bengals?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, I guess it all depends on what the
leadership ranks are like there, what the personality dynamics are
within the unit and in the locker room. It can
be positive, it could be negative, It could be both.
You know, one doesn't have to be true and the
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other one has to be false for one to be
a valid a valid conclusion or assess assessment. But I
would tend to think, because I've been a part of
a few players only meetings, I would tend to think
that it's somebody a leadership deal, a leader of the
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unit or a couple of them that bring everyone together
and basically say, look, not on our watch, not based
upon us. We know what we're facing. We've brought in
a quarterback that can get us to a place where
(04:46):
we can compete without Joe being you know, well the
first Joe. I just think that you're having a conversation
about not being the weekly and anything, any concerns, any feelings,
whatever it may be, because you don't know if there's
any type of internal type of beef going on. You know,
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that's not you know, that's not readily known by the public,
but they know internally what that feels like or what
it is that's going on. So they might have needed
to clear the air of something that was going on
internally with the unit. It could have been something that
you know, as far as like so, I just had
(05:34):
a conversation with one of the kids I mentored, right,
and he plays in the league, And I've been so
removed from the league and from football that I almost forgot,
you know, well not forgot, but it's just I don't
have the feelings of what the locker room and what
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the facility represents and all that stuff anymore because I've
been removed from it for so long. Like it's weird
to think that I took showers with other dudes around me.
Like I go into a locker room now about it.
I go into a locker room now when I go
work out at Penn State, and it mortifies me. The
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way to the showers look like it's like, I'm not
taking a shower here. I'm going to go home, funky
and take a shower in my hotel room where I
have my own privacy. Like why do they not have
stalls for each one of these showers. That's why I
started thinking to myself. But anyways, I digress. The point
I'm getting at is, so the young man that I
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was talking to, he called me with an issue, and
the issue was his coach was on like he was
like on BS time, and he went in there. He
wanted to take the head coach with him to go
have this conversation with the coach. And this is like
a he's a player on the team, a contributor. He
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wants to take the head coach in there with him
because of the way this coach handles the situations like
real d head right, like just a straight up it
hid right. Yeah, So the coach doesn't go in with him.
He goes in there and he records it. He played
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me back the recording of how their interaction went Jonas,
and you would have had to have heard how this
man talked to the other person to believe it. And
I have, like I talk about, I relived the moments
like with Dale Lindsey and how he used to talk
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like this was how Dale Lindsey and Greg Williams talked
to players back when I was playing, like and I
have kind of you forget the feeling you feel like
I can remember, I can recall it happening, but the
anger that I felt when these grown ass men would
talk to us this way. You start to get so
far away from the game, you forget how it felt
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and then it brought it back. This could be a
situation where you got coaches that don't know how to
talk to players and connect with players. And sometimes the
biggest hole, the biggest deficit that you have to make
up internally, is that you have to overcome a coach
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or you got to overcome relations between coaches. It's generally
not player to player beef. It's generally not that. Usually
when you got to have a player's only meeting, it's
because you guys got to pull yourselves together and overcome
whatever it is that is plaguing you guys. Now that
doesn't necessarily mean what I'm saying is what it is
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in terms of it's a coach, but it's certainly doesn't
scream that it isn't. You're trying to overcome what the
leadership of the coaches, and it could be like a
position coach. It might not be the coordinator. It could
be a position. Like you're meeting, you're talking what are
the concerns. Then you start talking about the concerns, and
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then the leaders take it back to the staff and
you got to have these conversations. You got to overcome
sometimes what it is that maybe the main guy. Like
there's another scenario I could give you ask the question,
why why would a coach have so much success here
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as a coordinator go to the next place and can
have the same type of success. Oh, because the coaching
staff that he was with that he became that type
of coach with, overcame the deficits that he created as
a person that was leading the unit. So how do
you overcome that? If you go to a new staff,
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you get paid all this money to be the coordinator,
and you realize that you get no that that interaction
between coach to coach, Like you're the coordinator, but your
D line coach maintains the relationship with your defensivelignment. So
even though you're not relatable, that defensive coach for the
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D line is relatable and gets the best out of
those players. Same for the backers, same for the secondary
right if those if you don't have somebody to bridge
the gap between players and coaches, that could generally speaking,
in a lot of situations, that's probably the reason why
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you have low performing units. And so if you have
people that really care, you try to call in everybody.
Like when I was my last year in DC. We
had the same thing going on. I called a players
only meeting, and I said, let's get back like, let's
get over all of the bs, the politics, da, da da,
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Let's go back to being us. And I remember I
challenged us. I had our equipment manager print out shirts
called it was something You, Defensive You or something like that,
basically saying, let's all focus ourselves on the happiest times
of our lives, which was probably playing in college, and
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let's play like we play when we didn't have money.
Let's be together like we're in college. Like, let's take
it back to the beginning, and we wore like defensive
you or it was something. It was something I came
up with, and we rallied, we rallied, we came together.
We were actually better after the players players only meeting
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because we snuffed out and sniffed out what the culprit
was of why we were underperforming, and we challenged ourselves
to step up to the plate and be more of
what we could be and control the elements that we
could control and and overachieve in those moments. So it
could you know, there could be a lot of positive
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that comes from having a player's only meeting.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You mentioned, Uh, maybe it was one of the coaches
that kind of sparked the meeting. Al Golden was, you know,
discussing the situation as the defensive coordinator there in Cincinnati
and just said it. Yeah, you know, it's inexcusable they
held the players only meeting because you know, that's that's
not the brand of football we want to be playing,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Something along those lines.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Zach Taylor took a more a stronger approach, if you will,
publicly following the blow flowing, following the let down and
melt down from the defense on Sunday in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, we just need somebody rise up and make a play.
Someone just just hold the ford down, you know. And
I didn't see enough of that today. I think someone
needs to step up and lead the group. That's what
I'm waiting to see someone step up and lead the
group and take some accountability over there and get this
thing going the right way. Unacceptable, humbling for us. Certainly,
never got a chance to really break that game open,
like like we felt like we were capable of and
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you know, two opportunitys there at the end of the
game to close it down on offense and defensively to
get guys on the ground and tackling wasn't good enough.
So we're not going to look at anything and say
anything was good enough after that loss and humbling and
we're gonna have to really dig deep to bounce back
next week.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So that probably sparked the you know, let's have a conversation,
let's get together, because it's.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Just you don't know, I don't know what the relationship
dynamic is between Zach Taylor and his players.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That sounded like we've heard a lot from Zach Taylor
over the past couple of years because the Bengals have
there's been a lot of discussion and it's usually a measured,
more calm approach. That sounded like he was.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
That was adversarial. That was advisarial like that.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't recall him calling out anybody on that team
the way that he did, and it was pointed directly
at the defense.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It was those guys over there, like you gotta be
as a coach, there's so many different things, like in
the moment, you could say something in the moment and
thought that you were okay saying it, and then you
go back and you listen to it, you like, maybe
I should have said it that way, or maybe I
should have had a different choice of words that I
used to explain it or describe it. If you lose
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the belief of the army, then you know, how do
you go in and win the battle war? You can't like,
you can't lose that game, man, Like that's you can't
lose your players.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
You just beat Pittsburgh. You've got Joe Flacco playing the
way that he's playing. And I think that tone you
got from Zach Taylor there was like, again, we got
to do that. Like he looks at that and goes,
if we're trying to stay afloat what's gonna end up happening?
Is the same thing that happened last year where they
needed all these things to happen in order to get
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into the playoffs, and you were depending on a Denver
team that was just going to rest all their starters
anyways to try and beat the you know, or beat
the Chiefs or the chief like. However that combination was
going late in the year, you were depending on Kansas
City to go in there and win a game against
Denver when Kansas City was just going to rest their starters,
and then the whole conversation was, well, they were just
(15:19):
trying to avoid nobody wanted to play Cincinnati. Well, first
of all, if Cincinnati would have taken care of business
earlier in the year in one games they should have won,
they would have never been in that spot. I think
Zach Taylor knows that, and he's like, here we go again,
Like that's a game we should have won. And you
give up five hundred plus yards and almost forty points
to the Jets.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There's no denying that that's poor. But then the question becomes,
do you have the rapport with your team to have
those comments in the media and to have those conversations
with your players, because I can imagine he had that
conversation with the team. So then now what does that
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become in in the public. What is that? How are
you presenting what took place to the media, because that
plays a major part. And and so to me, I
just wonder how positive was it, you know, coming out
of that game, because you can you can choose to
approach a letdown or setback during the season from a
(16:22):
positive standpoint, or you can do it as you know,
not a not so positive and depending on how you
handle it as leadership ultimately will dictate how the players
react to I know there's some people out there sitting
there saying they need to be accountable, they need to
be held accountable, and you're right, they do need to
help be held accountable if you've played that poorly and
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that's the reason why you let a game get away
from you, and you did have the opportunity to start
a little run and clawing and you know, get yourself
back into the race, the playoff race. Sure, you're going
to be a little disappointed. I think everybody would be disappointed,
uh in the effort seeing what it was statistically, But
there's still the element of even with being accountable and
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people having self accountability as well as team accountability, there's
a way to go about doing it because it all
represents team politics. It all represents team fabric and how
people react to one another, how they communicate with one another,
how you work together, all the things that you learn
as you're growing up to be successful in the workforce.
(17:27):
It applies in football and in pro sports. So to me,
I think the biggest takeaway from a game where your
defense had a horrible let down the head coach calls
it out. I know Al Golden. Al Golden is a
fine man. He is a good man. Your defense coordinator
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says that can happen. They got to be better. I
think this is probably more so along the lines of
that player's only meeting was geared and based towards them
taking on the ownership of being a better unit and
a unit that gives their offense like, look, we got
one of the more talented offenses in the league. We
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can't be having letdowns as pros that allow for our
season to get lost if we lose. And this is
another thing that vets will will introduce to the conversation
when you're losing. None of us are safe. We're too
good to be in a situation where we're living our
(18:33):
lives on the edge. Like I'm talking to us right now,
I'm talking to the room. But you could be gone
next week. You could be gone today, you could be
gone in a couple of weeks. You could be gone
in a couple weeks. None of us are safe. I
could see you here today and you could be gone tomorrow.
And that is a big part of the conversation. Sometimes
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headline's coming up. Hey, bro, forget trades like we need
to replace this production. You gotta go. It's a numbers game. Sorry.
You have been a positive backup, great contributor, could even
possibly start at some point, but we had to let
you go because we're losing. We need to have more
over here. We need to do this, and it's based
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upon y'all's performance. And Trey Hendrickson has not been healthy.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
He tried to come back and I think he left
before halftime if I'm not mistaken, this most recent game.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So it's just not God.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Well, now there is good news, all right, So I
know this is like doom and gloom on the Bengals.
Good news you got the Bears next, So there you go.
If you want to get right game on defense, don't worry.
Just get a whiff of that passing offense for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And you're gonna be fun. You just don't want to
be that team that gives you the UCLA treatment. You
don't want to be the team what do they get
back on track with? What is the UCLA treatment they
get back on track with you or get on track
for the first time ever. You just don't want to
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be that team.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean in fairness, though, I would say at least
Bengals fans show up to the games.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
UCLA fans are still trying. Okay, well, that's fair and all,
but at the end of the day, you don't want
to be the team that shows up and it's like, yeah,
we should be good against these guys, and then they
come out and give you that work jab tore out
the frame. What about those sidelines though? Blood? Hey how
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was that looking? Hey? It went bad? And U see
in Pasadena. I mean, they might have not showed up
in the stands, but they certainly did what they needed
to do on the sidellineline pastes were popping. Huh. They
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Speaker 1 (23:07):
So.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
We talked yesterday about the firing of Brian Kelly. LSU
parting ways with Brian Kelly and just what you know,
felt like an awkward relationship from the get go, just
the way things started, everything that came along with it,
just you know, did not go well with Brian Kelly.
There in Baton Rouge Well, Kirby Smart, the Georgia head coach,
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he had some thoughts about the situation and the way
things are currently constructed in the world of college football.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's the world we live in. Everybody's got a voice.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
It's obviously a tough situation on everybody. I mean, let's
be honest, it's the players dealing with it, fans dealing
with it, coaches dealing with it at this time in
the middle of a season. You know, I think there's
so much built around the playoffs, and it's like everything's
boom or bust and you can't have a normal season.
(24:00):
People got to make decisions earlier based on how somebody does.
And I don't know nothing about it. I know it's
a high expectations. I coached at LSU and guy once
told me, he said, that office you're in, that's not your.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Office rented, you're borrowing it. That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
And I knew right then that if you didn't win,
you wouldn't be there long.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Kirby Smart that's every coach, especially in this in this
nil transfer portal era of time. It's every major coach's reality.
Like he said, it has created an expectation that is
now more measurable than it's ever been. As you think
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about it. When I was in school, it was there
was no playoff, so it was the expectation was make
a New Year's Day Bowl game and you had a
successful season. If you win the bowl game, then that's
even more of a six ESIL season. Got People don't
remember that the Orange Bowl they mattered. The Orange Bowl mattered,
(25:06):
the Sugar the Sugar Bowl it mattered. You knew that
the Rose Bowl represented the winner of the Big Ten
and the winner of the Pack Pack ten, Pac twelve.
These these day, those day and ages, a coach was
able to slide by in that borrowed office, that rented
(25:28):
office that they have. It's so amazing. You can come
into a school as the coach. You become outright undisputed
highest paid employee of the school. And if it's a
state school of the state. With what you make, you
(25:49):
can change around how the building is configured, like totally
change it as they had. Coach. I want this hair,
I want my office here, this is how I want
these meeting rooms, this is how I want the weight room.
This is that you can do all these things to
change that building around, and yet and still it is
(26:12):
rented time. They just this man James Franklin loses his job.
They just finished the renovations for this phase of what
they were doing with. The last building just opened up
in the Greenberg Center, just opened up the the facility
there where they can eat their food and all this
other stuff and they can go there this Olympic training
(26:36):
area where the rehab facilities there are phenomenal, phenomenal. I
use them myself. And then he's gone, gone his his
his his office is straight fire. The new office. Straight Fire,
(27:00):
got all the you know, the former players that are
doing well in the league. They're framed, the jerseys are framed,
they're on the wall. Everything is rings are on and
on displayed. And you got the area where you could
sit down. It's literally like a pimped out, plush Rich
Carlton type of like room in a suite, just the
(27:25):
way Matt Rule likes it. That's what I'm talking about. Anyway.
The point that I'm making is, no matter how much
you think you're able to do and have, you have
to have the results that go along with it, because
if you don't, if you're not in position to make
the playoffs, you're in position to lose your job.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
You know what, it's because and it's all like and listen,
Kirby Smart makes a great point.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, it's the world we live in.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And I guess my thought on it is this that
I understand they make a hell of a living like
we're you know, nine, ten eleven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And people will say that's why somebody said on my
comments it's not a volatile job, because I say volatile yesterday.
It is a volatile job because you can lose it.
You can have it today and be gone tomorrow. But
when you make when you get forty million, thirty million,
sixty million dollar payouts, it's okay, you got compensated amazingly,
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but you're still out of a job.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And that's why when when people are like, well, I mean, listen,
what are you crying about. You got this much money
to walk away, I mean, give me that much money
and I'll go, It's like, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You're you're operating from your wallet right out theirs and
your understanding and your standards and your level of of
you know, whatever it is, your level is right like
your expectations. Because the bottom line is is that I
would be destroyed if I failed the team that I
(29:03):
had led for all these years. Like maybe Kelly's a
little different. He comes across as a tad bit disingenuous.
I don't think that he loved anybody at LSU outside
of himself or in his agenda. I could be wrong,
but he just seems like a self absorbed dude. But
when you get one of those coaches that has been
a part of the organization, like you stay with Franklin
(29:25):
is what I know. And that man has been there
for twelve years and took a program that was in
disarray and survived those years those lean years, built the
program back, started recruiting top tier athletes to come there,
ends up winning a Big Ten championship, ends up being
one game removed from being in the national title game
(29:48):
last year, and has to walk out of that building
and let alone, has to walk into the meeting room
and face all of these young men and women who
are in that room, all staff, and let them know
I have been relieved of my duties. What's six weeks
in so now the shockwaves, here's the shockwaves that go
(30:10):
through that room and then begin to work its way
around the building. Who's ever in that meeting the shockwaves? Are?
Am I going to have my scholarship next year? Players?
Should I leave because I'm an older guy? But you
know what do I do? Coaches? Will I have a
job next year? Scouting department? Will I have a job
(30:33):
next year? Video? You know, the guys that capture the practices.
Will I have a job next year? The equipment room.
Will we have a job next year? Like you start
to name it the training room? Will I have a
job next year? You have to go the shockwaves. Isn't
(30:54):
just the job for the head coach. It is an
entire ecosystem. You're talking about the support group, the fifth
quarter that they had there, the lady that helps out
the players, make sure travel and insurance and stuff like
paying taxes and travel when there's a bye week, or
when you get the tickets, whatever it may be, player relations,
(31:16):
between the ambassador of the program with the fans and
the donors, and everybody now is on notice that you
may or may not have a job here at the
conclusion of the season. So it goes far beyond just
the idea of a head coach loses their job. Sure
(31:36):
they get compensated very nicely for what they're doing, but
imagine carrying the weight as a coach imagine having to
carry the weight of I got to look you in
your eyes knowing that I'm about to get my payout
and I'm straight, I really am financially good. But I
got to handle the idea that you're making sixty five
(31:57):
thousand dollars a year. Yeah, over here, you're making ninety
thousand a year. You're making one hundred thousand a year,
and the holidays are right around the corner. Come on, man,
like that. Now, Now you're getting into the now. You're
getting into the weeds of what this all represents when
you start making these changes and you're forced to make
these changes.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's why I just I've been let go. I've been
let go in radio, and this is my dream, and
I remember what that and that it's like borderline traumatizing
because you're you're terrified I was never going to get
an opportunity again. That's why I work as much as
I do because I don't don't. I don't want to
lose it again because I know what it did to
(32:37):
me psychologically. And if you're one of these coaches, yeah, listen,
Brian Kelly's getting fifty four million dollars or whatever he is,
he's getting James Franklin's getting you know, tens of millions
of dollars, you know, as long as he shows that
he's out there, you know, trying to get a job.
But yeah, all those people on their staff that had
those jobs because of the trust and relationships they had
(32:59):
with those code is all gone. They're not making fifty
four million dollars, they're not making any of that much
nowhere close to that, and they're all scrambling going, well,
now what like and I don't know, I'm depending on
this guy and whether or not he's going to get
an opportunity. And you've got people out there like, well,
he didn't he didn't he didn't win a national championship,
(33:21):
or he didn't go far enough at a college football playoff,
he's out of here.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
If you were to.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Tell James Franklin as he's walking off the field in
Miami at the game that we were at in the
semi final, oh, by the way, buddy, by by Halloween,
you're you're out, like, well before Halloween the next year,
you're out. Like he'd be like, wait, what what are
you talking about? Like this like none of it makes
(33:44):
any sense, But you've got the fan base pushing for it.
You've got all these people that are saying, you know,
do this, fire this. And it was Nick Saban who
made the point on ESPN over the weekend when he said,
if I'm taking a Penn State job or Florida job
or some job like that, the first thing I need
to know is who has power here? He goes, I
(34:08):
need to know whether or not I'm the final say
on stuff, or whether or not somebody who's providing, you know,
an infusion of cash into the program, whether or not
they're going to dictate to me and try and tell
me how I need to build.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
My roster and how I need to build my It's
so complicated, it's such a deep rabbit hole because again,
you're not supposed to how do you say this, Like,
you can't have a coach be in a situation where
they're the final word. And at the same time, as
a coach, you can't be in a situation where you're
(34:43):
not comfortably situated to make big decisions, whether it be
who's playing, whether it be what you're doing. You can
have somebody else dictating to you that way. Now, if
it extends beyond the parameters of what happens on the
football field. That's different, Like what does that look like?
(35:06):
What did those conversations look like? I don't know, but
I could suspect that. Knowing that you have this guaranteed
amount of money that could pay an entire roster, and
you still have comfortably an amount of money that you
make in your check, you're going to fill a certain
(35:28):
level of Well, go ahead, you wanna fire me, go ahead, Fine,
don't bring me here to build the culture to build
a winner, and you're not giving me the freedom and
the autonomy to be able to do it. That's why
you have these large ass contracts being given out from
(35:52):
these large ass schools to get a coach that can
bring them a national title. The biggest complication moving forward
is that you are going to be measured and judged
by being able to make it to the college playoff one.
Now the bar is there. You got to make it
to the playoffs or you're risking losing your job. Then,
(36:16):
once you make it to the playoffs, how far can
you go into the playoffs? That's number two. Those are
the two major things that coaches are facing at major schools,
blue blood schools now in this new football college football
playoff that we're in. And I'm gonna tell you right now.
You add in transfer portal and nil to that equation,
(36:40):
and you have a very very turbulent space that exists
in college football. Now tot Louisiana man, super high. And
speaking of Louisiana, you could throw some hot sauce on
this hot topic and well, you could grill it up,
you could fry it. Especially you know, if you're like
(37:02):
me and you know it tastes like chicken, you could
throw some hot sauce on that and make sure it's
Louisiana hot.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I tell you what's got that great balance of peppery
peppers and vinegar and salt. And like I said, you
could throw it on some chicken, some nachos, some burgers.
You can hit that tail gay food with it. It's bold,
hand crafted flavor, that's original Louisiana hot sauce. Make sure
you buy your some Louisiana hot.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
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So I saw this story in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Did you like it? Well?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I do think it's pretty telling. Okay, so we can
agree that the Raiders are a bad team. That's a
real bad team, not at all all, right, Tyler Lockett
asked the Tennessee Titans for his release and then signed
with the Raiders. Makes sense, Yeah, how bad are the
(38:53):
Tennessee Titans that Tyler Lockett saw the Raiders as an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That's not fair. You mean, that's not fair. It's not
fair because one, I don't think we need any we
don't need any information to justify how bad the tendency
Titans are. Like there's like they're bad. But you also
know that obviously the coach of the Raiders was Tyler
(39:23):
Lockett's coach and was the reason why he got drafted
to the league and Smith have a great relationship based
upon being teammates and uh and in Seattle. So while
you could look at it at the you know, kind
of surface level and say this is the reason why,
or you could say, how bad is it where you
(39:45):
go to the Raiders from the Titans. I get that,
but it's the familiarity of the quarterback and the coach.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Listen, if my best friend were homeless, I'm not going
to go live with them. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this
is not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Can you not do that?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm I'm okay, I where I'm at, and I just
don't you know, I'm just not going to be a
part of that.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I don't I think that's a very, very vastly different conversation.
Going to live in the streets with your homie because
that's your homing versus going to make a couple million
dollars on it in a different franchise and playing in
the NFL with a coach that you had successful and
a quarterback. Have you been to Nashville before? I have? Okay,
(40:28):
I hear good things have never been. Yeah, it's it's
it's it's a good place, Nashville or Vegas. Take your pick. Different.
He just did. It's different. And for Tyler Lockett, I
don't think either one of them matters because he's just
he's a solid dude, home dude, like you know, takes
care of everything. Now if he's a single, young guy,
(40:51):
take your pick. One you put on some cowboy boots.
The other one you put on some some some you know,
designer sneakers. Either way, you're gonna be walking, You're gonna
be stepping shopping. You're gonna watch shopping hammers damp the cannons.
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Bet you planned this during the Dodgers like they hit
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all right, all I see is Joker and the Thief.
That's yeah, that's what I thought.
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and subscribe. So, the one of the game games that
(02:00):
we talked about in the NFL over the weekend was
the Jets and the Bengals, and the Jets proceeded to
score close to forty points and put up over five
hundred yards on the Cincinnati Bengals defense. And I know
Pete Prisco let him have it yesterday a little bit,
and we spent a lot of time talking about the
(02:23):
Jets side of things and what it meant for Justin
Fields and how emotional the week was and Woody Johnson
being a disaster as an owner and everything that came
along with it, and Aaron Glenn's first win, etc.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Etc.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
But the other side of that story is the fact
that again the Cincinnati Bengals defense gave up over five
hundred yards total offense and close to forty points to
a New York Jets team that had nothing going for
him offensively for basically the entire year. And there's a
story that came out. There's a story that came out
(02:58):
yesterday that apparently the Bengals held a players only meeting.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here you go, only fans, players.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
Only just the defense, right, So just the defense held
a player's only meeting on Monday following that disastrous performance
against the Jets. So I gotta ask you, what the
hell are those like? After your defense gets absolutely lit
on fire by the New York Jets and you lose
(03:29):
that game, a game you should have won as close
to a seven point favorite at home against a bad
football team and your defense can't get a stop, what
are those players only meetings like on the defensive side
of the ball for the Bengals?
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I mean, I guess it all depends on what the
leadership ranks are like there, what the personality dynamics are
within the unit and in the locker room. It can
be positive, it could be negative, It could be both.
You know, one doesn't have to be true and the
(04:05):
other one has to be false for one to be
a valid a valid conclusion or assess assessment. But I
would tend to think, because I've been a part of
a few players only meetings, I would tend to think
that it's somebody a leadership deal, a leader of the
(04:26):
unit or a couple of them that bring everyone together
and basically say, look, not on our watch, not based
upon us. We know what we're facing. We've brought in
a quarterback that can get us to a place where
(04:46):
we can compete without Joe being you know, well the
first Joe. I just think that you're having a conversation
about not being the weekly and anything, any concerns, any feelings,
whatever it may be, because you don't know if there's
any type of internal type of beef going on. You know,
(05:10):
that's not you know, that's not readily known by the public,
but they know internally what that feels like or what
it is that's going on. So they might have needed
to clear the air of something that was going on
internally with the unit. It could have been something that
you know, as far as like so, I just had
(05:34):
a conversation with one of the kids I mentored, right,
and he plays in the league, And I've been so
removed from the league and from football that I almost forgot,
you know, well not forgot, but it's just I don't
have the feelings of what the locker room and what
(05:55):
the facility represents and all that stuff anymore because I've
been removed from it for so long. Like it's weird
to think that I took showers with other dudes around me.
Like I go into a locker room now about it.
I go into a locker room now when I go
work out at Penn State, and it mortifies me. The
(06:16):
way to the showers look like it's like, I'm not
taking a shower here. I'm going to go home, funky
and take a shower in my hotel room where I
have my own privacy. Like why do they not have
stalls for each one of these showers. That's why I
started thinking to myself. But anyways, I digress. The point
I'm getting at is, so the young man that I
(06:39):
was talking to, he called me with an issue, and
the issue was his coach was on like he was
like on BS time, and he went in there. He
wanted to take the head coach with him to go
have this conversation with the coach. And this is like
a he's a player on the team, a contributor. He
(07:03):
wants to take the head coach in there with him
because of the way this coach handles the situations like
real d head right, like just a straight up it
hid right. Yeah, So the coach doesn't go in with him.
He goes in there and he records it. He played
(07:28):
me back the recording of how their interaction went Jonas,
and you would have had to have heard how this
man talked to the other person to believe it. And
I have, like I talk about, I relived the moments
like with Dale Lindsey and how he used to talk
(07:50):
like this was how Dale Lindsey and Greg Williams talked
to players back when I was playing, like and I
have kind of you forget the feeling you feel like
I can remember, I can recall it happening, but the
anger that I felt when these grown ass men would
talk to us this way. You start to get so
far away from the game, you forget how it felt
(08:12):
and then it brought it back. This could be a
situation where you got coaches that don't know how to
talk to players and connect with players. And sometimes the
biggest hole, the biggest deficit that you have to make
up internally, is that you have to overcome a coach
(08:34):
or you got to overcome relations between coaches. It's generally
not player to player beef. It's generally not that. Usually
when you got to have a player's only meeting, it's
because you guys got to pull yourselves together and overcome
whatever it is that is plaguing you guys. Now that
doesn't necessarily mean what I'm saying is what it is
(08:57):
in terms of it's a coach, but it's certainly doesn't
scream that it isn't. You're trying to overcome what the
leadership of the coaches, and it could be like a
position coach. It might not be the coordinator. It could
be a position. Like you're meeting, you're talking what are
the concerns. Then you start talking about the concerns, and
(09:19):
then the leaders take it back to the staff and
you got to have these conversations. You got to overcome
sometimes what it is that maybe the main guy. Like
there's another scenario I could give you ask the question,
why why would a coach have so much success here
(09:40):
as a coordinator go to the next place and can
have the same type of success. Oh, because the coaching
staff that he was with that he became that type
of coach with, overcame the deficits that he created as
a person that was leading the unit. So how do
you overcome that? If you go to a new staff,
(10:03):
you get paid all this money to be the coordinator,
and you realize that you get no that that interaction
between coach to coach, Like you're the coordinator, but your
D line coach maintains the relationship with your defensivelignment. So
even though you're not relatable, that defensive coach for the
(10:23):
D line is relatable and gets the best out of
those players. Same for the backers, same for the secondary
right if those if you don't have somebody to bridge
the gap between players and coaches, that could generally speaking,
in a lot of situations, that's probably the reason why
(10:43):
you have low performing units. And so if you have
people that really care, you try to call in everybody.
Like when I was my last year in DC. We
had the same thing going on. I called a players
only meeting, and I said, let's get back like, let's
get over all of the bs, the politics, da, da da,
(11:04):
Let's go back to being us. And I remember I
challenged us. I had our equipment manager print out shirts
called it was something You, Defensive You or something like that,
basically saying, let's all focus ourselves on the happiest times
of our lives, which was probably playing in college, and
(11:28):
let's play like we play when we didn't have money.
Let's be together like we're in college. Like, let's take
it back to the beginning, and we wore like defensive
you or it was something. It was something I came
up with, and we rallied, we rallied, we came together.
We were actually better after the players players only meeting
(11:49):
because we snuffed out and sniffed out what the culprit
was of why we were underperforming, and we challenged ourselves
to step up to the plate and be more of
what we could be and control the elements that we
could control and and overachieve in those moments. So it
could you know, there could be a lot of positive
(12:10):
that comes from having a player's only meeting.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
You mentioned, Uh, maybe it was one of the coaches
that kind of sparked the meeting. Al Golden was, you know,
discussing the situation as the defensive coordinator there in Cincinnati
and just said it. Yeah, you know, it's inexcusable they
held the players only meeting because you know, that's that's
not the brand of football we want to be playing,
et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Something along those lines.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Zach Taylor took a more a stronger approach, if you will,
publicly following the blow flowing, following the let down and
melt down from the defense on Sunday in Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Yeah, we just need somebody rise up and make a play.
Someone just just hold the ford down, you know. And
I didn't see enough of that today. I think someone
needs to step up and lead the group. That's what
I'm waiting to see someone step up and lead the
group and take some accountability over there and get this
thing going the right way. Unacceptable, humbling for us. Certainly,
never got a chance to really break that game open,
like like we felt like we were capable of and
(13:07):
you know, two opportunitys there at the end of the
game to close it down on offense and defensively to
get guys on the ground and tackling wasn't good enough.
So we're not going to look at anything and say
anything was good enough after that loss and humbling and
we're gonna have to really dig deep to bounce back
next week.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So that probably sparked the you know, let's have a conversation,
let's get together, because it's.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Just you don't know, I don't know what the relationship
dynamic is between Zach Taylor and his players.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That sounded like we've heard a lot from Zach Taylor
over the past couple of years because the Bengals have
there's been a lot of discussion and it's usually a measured,
more calm approach. That sounded like he was.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
That was adversarial. That was advisarial like that.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I don't recall him calling out anybody on that team
the way that he did, and it was pointed directly
at the defense.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
It was those guys over there, like you gotta be
as a coach, there's so many different things, like in
the moment, you could say something in the moment and
thought that you were okay saying it, and then you
go back and you listen to it, you like, maybe
I should have said it that way, or maybe I
should have had a different choice of words that I
used to explain it or describe it. If you lose
(14:22):
the belief of the army, then you know, how do
you go in and win the battle war? You can't like,
you can't lose that game, man, Like that's you can't
lose your players.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
You just beat Pittsburgh. You've got Joe Flacco playing the
way that he's playing. And I think that tone you
got from Zach Taylor there was like, again, we got
to do that. Like he looks at that and goes,
if we're trying to stay afloat what's gonna end up happening?
Is the same thing that happened last year where they
needed all these things to happen in order to get
(14:59):
into the playoffs, and you were depending on a Denver
team that was just going to rest all their starters
anyways to try and beat the you know, or beat
the Chiefs or the chief like. However that combination was
going late in the year, you were depending on Kansas
City to go in there and win a game against
Denver when Kansas City was just going to rest their starters,
and then the whole conversation was, well, they were just
(15:19):
trying to avoid nobody wanted to play Cincinnati. Well, first
of all, if Cincinnati would have taken care of business
earlier in the year in one games they should have won,
they would have never been in that spot. I think
Zach Taylor knows that, and he's like, here we go again,
Like that's a game we should have won. And you
give up five hundred plus yards and almost forty points
to the Jets.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
There's no denying that that's poor. But then the question becomes,
do you have the rapport with your team to have
those comments in the media and to have those conversations
with your players, because I can imagine he had that
conversation with the team. So then now what does that
(16:01):
become in in the public. What is that? How are
you presenting what took place to the media, because that
plays a major part. And and so to me, I
just wonder how positive was it, you know, coming out
of that game, because you can you can choose to
approach a letdown or setback during the season from a
(16:22):
positive standpoint, or you can do it as you know,
not a not so positive and depending on how you
handle it as leadership ultimately will dictate how the players
react to I know there's some people out there sitting
there saying they need to be accountable, they need to
be held accountable, and you're right, they do need to
help be held accountable if you've played that poorly and
(16:45):
that's the reason why you let a game get away
from you, and you did have the opportunity to start
a little run and clawing and you know, get yourself
back into the race, the playoff race. Sure, you're going
to be a little disappointed. I think everybody would be disappointed,
uh in the effort seeing what it was statistically, But
there's still the element of even with being accountable and
(17:07):
people having self accountability as well as team accountability, there's
a way to go about doing it because it all
represents team politics. It all represents team fabric and how
people react to one another, how they communicate with one another,
how you work together, all the things that you learn
as you're growing up to be successful in the workforce.
(17:27):
It applies in football and in pro sports. So to me,
I think the biggest takeaway from a game where your
defense had a horrible let down the head coach calls
it out. I know Al Golden. Al Golden is a
fine man. He is a good man. Your defense coordinator
(17:47):
says that can happen. They got to be better. I
think this is probably more so along the lines of
that player's only meeting was geared and based towards them
taking on the ownership of being a better unit and
a unit that gives their offense like, look, we got
one of the more talented offenses in the league. We
(18:11):
can't be having letdowns as pros that allow for our
season to get lost if we lose. And this is
another thing that vets will will introduce to the conversation
when you're losing. None of us are safe. We're too
good to be in a situation where we're living our
(18:33):
lives on the edge. Like I'm talking to us right now,
I'm talking to the room. But you could be gone
next week. You could be gone today, you could be
gone in a couple of weeks. You could be gone
in a couple weeks. None of us are safe. I
could see you here today and you could be gone tomorrow.
And that is a big part of the conversation. Sometimes
(18:53):
headline's coming up. Hey, bro, forget trades like we need
to replace this production. You gotta go. It's a numbers game. Sorry.
You have been a positive backup, great contributor, could even
possibly start at some point, but we had to let
you go because we're losing. We need to have more
over here. We need to do this, and it's based
(19:14):
upon y'all's performance. And Trey Hendrickson has not been healthy.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
He tried to come back and I think he left
before halftime if I'm not mistaken, this most recent game.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
So it's just not God.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Well, now there is good news, all right, So I
know this is like doom and gloom on the Bengals.
Good news you got the Bears next, So there you go.
If you want to get right game on defense, don't worry.
Just get a whiff of that passing offense for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
And you're gonna be fun. You just don't want to
be that team that gives you the UCLA treatment. You
don't want to be the team what do they get
back on track with? What is the UCLA treatment they
get back on track with you or get on track
for the first time ever. You just don't want to
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be that team.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
I mean in fairness, though, I would say at least
Bengals fans show up to the games.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
UCLA fans are still trying. Okay, well, that's fair and all,
but at the end of the day, you don't want
to be the team that shows up and it's like, yeah,
we should be good against these guys, and then they
come out and give you that work jab tore out
the frame. What about those sidelines though? Blood? Hey how
(20:32):
was that looking? Hey? It went bad? And U see
in Pasadena. I mean, they might have not showed up
in the stands, but they certainly did what they needed
to do on the sidellineline pastes were popping. Huh. They
definitely are in the discussion for best best sideline. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
their sideline is pretty impressive. Yeah, Westwood's not bad.
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Speaker 1 (23:07):
So.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
We talked yesterday about the firing of Brian Kelly. LSU
parting ways with Brian Kelly and just what you know,
felt like an awkward relationship from the get go, just
the way things started, everything that came along with it,
just you know, did not go well with Brian Kelly.
There in Baton Rouge Well, Kirby Smart, the Georgia head coach,
(23:30):
he had some thoughts about the situation and the way
things are currently constructed in the world of college football.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
It's the world we live in. Everybody's got a voice.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
It's obviously a tough situation on everybody. I mean, let's
be honest, it's the players dealing with it, fans dealing
with it, coaches dealing with it at this time in
the middle of a season. You know, I think there's
so much built around the playoffs, and it's like everything's
boom or bust and you can't have a normal season.
(24:00):
People got to make decisions earlier based on how somebody does.
And I don't know nothing about it. I know it's
a high expectations. I coached at LSU and guy once
told me, he said, that office you're in, that's not your.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Office rented, you're borrowing it. That's right.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
And I knew right then that if you didn't win,
you wouldn't be there long.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Kirby Smart that's every coach, especially in this in this
nil transfer portal era of time. It's every major coach's reality.
Like he said, it has created an expectation that is
now more measurable than it's ever been. As you think
(24:43):
about it. When I was in school, it was there
was no playoff, so it was the expectation was make
a New Year's Day Bowl game and you had a
successful season. If you win the bowl game, then that's
even more of a six ESIL season. Got People don't
remember that the Orange Bowl they mattered. The Orange Bowl mattered,
(25:06):
the Sugar the Sugar Bowl it mattered. You knew that
the Rose Bowl represented the winner of the Big Ten
and the winner of the Pack Pack ten, Pac twelve.
These these day, those day and ages, a coach was
able to slide by in that borrowed office, that rented
(25:28):
office that they have. It's so amazing. You can come
into a school as the coach. You become outright undisputed
highest paid employee of the school. And if it's a
state school of the state. With what you make, you
(25:49):
can change around how the building is configured, like totally
change it as they had. Coach. I want this hair,
I want my office here, this is how I want
these meeting rooms, this is how I want the weight room.
This is that you can do all these things to
change that building around, and yet and still it is
(26:12):
rented time. They just this man James Franklin loses his job.
They just finished the renovations for this phase of what
they were doing with. The last building just opened up
in the Greenberg Center, just opened up the the facility
there where they can eat their food and all this
other stuff and they can go there this Olympic training
(26:36):
area where the rehab facilities there are phenomenal, phenomenal. I
use them myself. And then he's gone, gone his his
his his office is straight fire. The new office. Straight Fire,
(27:00):
got all the you know, the former players that are
doing well in the league. They're framed, the jerseys are framed,
they're on the wall. Everything is rings are on and
on displayed. And you got the area where you could
sit down. It's literally like a pimped out, plush Rich
Carlton type of like room in a suite, just the
(27:25):
way Matt Rule likes it. That's what I'm talking about. Anyway.
The point that I'm making is, no matter how much
you think you're able to do and have, you have
to have the results that go along with it, because
if you don't, if you're not in position to make
the playoffs, you're in position to lose your job.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
You know what, it's because and it's all like and listen,
Kirby Smart makes a great point.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Yeah, it's the world we live in.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
And I guess my thought on it is this that
I understand they make a hell of a living like
we're you know, nine, ten eleven million dollars.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And people will say that's why somebody said on my
comments it's not a volatile job, because I say volatile yesterday.
It is a volatile job because you can lose it.
You can have it today and be gone tomorrow. But
when you make when you get forty million, thirty million,
sixty million dollar payouts, it's okay, you got compensated amazingly,
(28:30):
but you're still out of a job.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
And that's why when when people are like, well, I mean, listen,
what are you crying about. You got this much money
to walk away, I mean, give me that much money
and I'll go, It's like, okay, but.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
You're you're operating from your wallet right out theirs and
your understanding and your standards and your level of of
you know, whatever it is, your level is right like
your expectations. Because the bottom line is is that I
would be destroyed if I failed the team that I
(29:03):
had led for all these years. Like maybe Kelly's a
little different. He comes across as a tad bit disingenuous.
I don't think that he loved anybody at LSU outside
of himself or in his agenda. I could be wrong,
but he just seems like a self absorbed dude. But
when you get one of those coaches that has been
a part of the organization, like you stay with Franklin
(29:25):
is what I know. And that man has been there
for twelve years and took a program that was in
disarray and survived those years those lean years, built the
program back, started recruiting top tier athletes to come there,
ends up winning a Big Ten championship, ends up being
one game removed from being in the national title game
(29:48):
last year, and has to walk out of that building
and let alone, has to walk into the meeting room
and face all of these young men and women who
are in that room, all staff, and let them know
I have been relieved of my duties. What's six weeks
in so now the shockwaves, here's the shockwaves that go
(30:10):
through that room and then begin to work its way
around the building. Who's ever in that meeting the shockwaves? Are?
Am I going to have my scholarship next year? Players?
Should I leave because I'm an older guy? But you
know what do I do? Coaches? Will I have a
job next year? Scouting department? Will I have a job
(30:33):
next year? Video? You know, the guys that capture the practices.
Will I have a job next year? The equipment room.
Will we have a job next year? Like you start
to name it the training room? Will I have a
job next year? You have to go the shockwaves. Isn't
(30:54):
just the job for the head coach. It is an
entire ecosystem. You're talking about the support group, the fifth
quarter that they had there, the lady that helps out
the players, make sure travel and insurance and stuff like
paying taxes and travel when there's a bye week, or
when you get the tickets, whatever it may be, player relations,
(31:16):
between the ambassador of the program with the fans and
the donors, and everybody now is on notice that you
may or may not have a job here at the
conclusion of the season. So it goes far beyond just
the idea of a head coach loses their job. Sure
(31:36):
they get compensated very nicely for what they're doing, but
imagine carrying the weight as a coach imagine having to
carry the weight of I got to look you in
your eyes knowing that I'm about to get my payout
and I'm straight, I really am financially good. But I
got to handle the idea that you're making sixty five
(31:57):
thousand dollars a year. Yeah, over here, you're making ninety
thousand a year. You're making one hundred thousand a year,
and the holidays are right around the corner. Come on, man,
like that. Now, Now you're getting into the now. You're
getting into the weeds of what this all represents when
you start making these changes and you're forced to make
these changes.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's why I just I've been let go. I've been
let go in radio, and this is my dream, and
I remember what that and that it's like borderline traumatizing
because you're you're terrified I was never going to get
an opportunity again. That's why I work as much as
I do because I don't don't. I don't want to
lose it again because I know what it did to
(32:37):
me psychologically. And if you're one of these coaches, yeah, listen,
Brian Kelly's getting fifty four million dollars or whatever he is,
he's getting James Franklin's getting you know, tens of millions
of dollars, you know, as long as he shows that
he's out there, you know, trying to get a job.
But yeah, all those people on their staff that had
those jobs because of the trust and relationships they had
(32:59):
with those code is all gone. They're not making fifty
four million dollars, they're not making any of that much
nowhere close to that, and they're all scrambling going, well,
now what like and I don't know, I'm depending on
this guy and whether or not he's going to get
an opportunity. And you've got people out there like, well,
he didn't he didn't he didn't win a national championship,
(33:21):
or he didn't go far enough at a college football playoff,
he's out of here.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
If you were to.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Tell James Franklin as he's walking off the field in
Miami at the game that we were at in the
semi final, oh, by the way, buddy, by by Halloween,
you're you're out, like, well before Halloween the next year,
you're out. Like he'd be like, wait, what what are
you talking about? Like this like none of it makes
(33:44):
any sense, But you've got the fan base pushing for it.
You've got all these people that are saying, you know,
do this, fire this. And it was Nick Saban who
made the point on ESPN over the weekend when he said,
if I'm taking a Penn State job or Florida job
or some job like that, the first thing I need
to know is who has power here? He goes, I
(34:08):
need to know whether or not I'm the final say
on stuff, or whether or not somebody who's providing, you know,
an infusion of cash into the program, whether or not
they're going to dictate to me and try and tell
me how I need to build.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
My roster and how I need to build my It's
so complicated, it's such a deep rabbit hole because again,
you're not supposed to how do you say this, Like,
you can't have a coach be in a situation where
they're the final word. And at the same time, as
a coach, you can't be in a situation where you're
(34:43):
not comfortably situated to make big decisions, whether it be
who's playing, whether it be what you're doing. You can
have somebody else dictating to you that way. Now, if
it extends beyond the parameters of what happens on the
football field. That's different, Like what does that look like?
(35:06):
What did those conversations look like? I don't know, but
I could suspect that. Knowing that you have this guaranteed
amount of money that could pay an entire roster, and
you still have comfortably an amount of money that you
make in your check, you're going to fill a certain
(35:28):
level of Well, go ahead, you wanna fire me, go ahead, Fine,
don't bring me here to build the culture to build
a winner, and you're not giving me the freedom and
the autonomy to be able to do it. That's why
you have these large ass contracts being given out from
(35:52):
these large ass schools to get a coach that can
bring them a national title. The biggest complication moving forward
is that you are going to be measured and judged
by being able to make it to the college playoff one.
Now the bar is there. You got to make it
to the playoffs or you're risking losing your job. Then,
(36:16):
once you make it to the playoffs, how far can
you go into the playoffs? That's number two. Those are
the two major things that coaches are facing at major schools,
blue blood schools now in this new football college football
playoff that we're in. And I'm gonna tell you right now.
You add in transfer portal and nil to that equation,
(36:40):
and you have a very very turbulent space that exists
in college football. Now tot Louisiana man, super high. And
speaking of Louisiana, you could throw some hot sauce on
this hot topic and well, you could grill it up,
you could fry it. Especially you know, if you're like
(37:02):
me and you know it tastes like chicken, you could
throw some hot sauce on that and make sure it's
Louisiana hot.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Man.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I tell you what's got that great balance of peppery
peppers and vinegar and salt. And like I said, you
could throw it on some chicken, some nachos, some burgers.
You can hit that tail gay food with it. It's bold,
hand crafted flavor, that's original Louisiana hot sauce. Make sure
you buy your some Louisiana hot.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe here on
Fox Sports Radio and coming up next, things have gone
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Speaker 1 (37:55):
Coming off top of next hour. Yeah, there you go,
there you go. We will keep out of any.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
Continue the discussion and asked the question how you feeling
after after a wild ride and a lengthy one at
that in the world of sports last night. That'll be
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So I saw this story in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Did you like it? Well?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
I do think it's pretty telling. Okay, so we can
agree that the Raiders are a bad team. That's a
real bad team, not at all all, right, Tyler Lockett
asked the Tennessee Titans for his release and then signed
with the Raiders. Makes sense, Yeah, how bad are the
(38:53):
Tennessee Titans that Tyler Lockett saw the Raiders as an upgrade.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
That's not fair. You mean, that's not fair. It's not
fair because one, I don't think we need any we
don't need any information to justify how bad the tendency
Titans are. Like there's like they're bad. But you also
know that obviously the coach of the Raiders was Tyler
(39:23):
Lockett's coach and was the reason why he got drafted
to the league and Smith have a great relationship based
upon being teammates and uh and in Seattle. So while
you could look at it at the you know, kind
of surface level and say this is the reason why,
or you could say, how bad is it where you
(39:45):
go to the Raiders from the Titans. I get that,
but it's the familiarity of the quarterback and the coach.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Listen, if my best friend were homeless, I'm not going
to go live with them. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, this
is not gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Can you not do that?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm I'm okay, I where I'm at, and I just
don't you know, I'm just not going to be a
part of that.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I don't I think that's a very, very vastly different conversation.
Going to live in the streets with your homie because
that's your homing versus going to make a couple million
dollars on it in a different franchise and playing in
the NFL with a coach that you had successful and
a quarterback. Have you been to Nashville before? I have? Okay,
(40:28):
I hear good things have never been. Yeah, it's it's
it's it's a good place, Nashville or Vegas. Take your pick. Different.
He just did. It's different. And for Tyler Lockett, I
don't think either one of them matters because he's just
he's a solid dude, home dude, like you know, takes
care of everything. Now if he's a single, young guy,
(40:51):
take your pick. One you put on some cowboy boots.
The other one you put on some some some you know,
designer sneakers. Either way, you're gonna be walking, You're gonna
be stepping shopping. You're gonna watch shopping hammers damp the cannons.
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