December 24, 2025 • 42 mins
In Hour 2 of the show today, the guys discuss Kirby Smart having a gripe with the transfer portal in College Football. Plus, the guys react to DeShaun Watson staying on the PUP, another edition of The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly, and more!
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
So what if what if Santa was a regional deal,
like a franchise, like you had to go into Santa
Training all they just had a Santa ready to go
in every single region of the world that Santa is
welcome into.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean there's like a clown college, like you
got to go to college and be in.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Maybe there's never been just one Santa. Maybe it's like
a Santa.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Academy or Fairy Godmother in Training school or the Easter
Bunny there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Maybe they're all regional, like you got to go to
Easter Bunny training, Fairy Godmother training, you know. But maybe
that's what's been going on all these years. That's how
that's how Santa is able to be in so many
different places at so many times, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So on the subject and Santa Juniors, do.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You think there are Santa is the second.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Anyway, leaving more than milk and cookies out.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Hey yo, all right, all right, so so back to
the back to our regular set of programming. I just
wanted to give you the heads up here that based
on our Santa tracker here my friends at Norad last
spotted in New Zealand. He is just under two minutes
away from McMurdo station in Antarctica. So if you are
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listening on the iHeartRadio app in McMurdo, Antarctica, wherever the
hell that is, just know that in under two minutes,
there's gonna be some gifts under the tree.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, bruh. How cold is it up in the air
and that sleigh like, do you think because it isn't
covered or is it? Does he have a covert? Now?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, it's not a motorcade.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So does the heat like, does does he have a
good heater on that sleigh? Like? How that it's gotta
be freezing cold up in that that air.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'll bet he's got nipples like shot glasses at this bang.
I mean, it's there's a whoa out there.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's cold. Is Rudolph still around? Um? I think yeah,
I'm seeing him here right in the front there. I
can see his nose.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So again, McMurdo, they never go anywhere like they've just
they've they've just been alive for like ever, man like forever.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know some people you know are into that, you know,
like live forever stuff. I think, are there are there?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like maybe just like they have little dancers and prancers
and Rudolph's and all that, Like do they just have
little ones like they go into training too, they go
into to rein their school. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I mean they were doing that with Shamu when that
was really really popular. You know they do it with
the dog in uh In Georgia, right, they do it
with with the hound in uh In, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean, you know, yeah, but this is Santa Claus
next level, next level stuff here. He didn't need all
the the underlings. He's got his elves. They get to work,
He gets up there and he starts delivering the goods here.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So how does he continue to find that type of workforce?
And and in this day and age that we live
in where everybody's so touched sensitive and stuff like that,
do you think people complain about their not being like
equal opportunities and and different people there to work? Like?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Do you think no? I mean I think that he
uh listened.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Does that turned into an issue? Like has that ever
turned into like a racial discussion or you know, a
certain certain community.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know that, Tim what if he denied.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Me? Well, yes, because you're of a normal height.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Santa Claus took on a malnourished deer with a red
nose and made him the feature back in he.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Did, Yes, he did so like you know that. You know,
mother Reindeers, we're jealous of Rudolf.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
They wouldn't let him play any Reindeer games. Like they're like, hey,
who's this goof this guy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Dang slave? For all these years, this little red nosed
little bit doesn't just show up and now he's just
pulling our sleigh. Everybody know who he is. We pull
up to the crib, everybody's like Rudolf, like, what about me?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You think you think?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What about Prince?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Or they call me prince.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think it was like in Vanilla Sky where Blitzing
walked in and saw Rudolph in the bathroom said, dude,
fix your f and face.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, there was big time in he You ever noticed
how they reindeers they make the other reindeers bigger than Rudolph.
You ever noticed that they always like like like Rudolph
is a baby.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, now nourished.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You guys want to hear a buddy he wasn't a baby,
was he? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Go ahead, go ahead, Okay, did you know that all
the reindeer, every single one of them, is actually a female.
Male reindeer lose their ant antlers in the fall and
the female keeps them all year round.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Good for them. So blitz in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Antlers. Yep, they do, like like regular deer. The girls
don't have.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Antlersdeer both male and female do, but.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They be no or rando.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, there's lots of that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Heay, Well, then then maybe people wouldn't be as upset.
And you know, bother that that it's all women pooling
the sleigh. I mean, there you go.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Whatever works.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just under six minutes away from Queenstown, New Zealand, which
is appropriate based on the conversation we just had as
he heads to Queenstown.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
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good over the past several years that just I still
think they kind of fly under the radar. There's just
kind of say, oh yeah, George is here. Oh yeah,
you know, they've just you know, been one of the
better college football programs in recent history.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, like a lot of great players. Listen, you know,
they like to drive a little fast. That's a problem.
It seems like that pops up every now and again.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That's not a problem on the field, no, real life.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They're getting ready for the Sugar Bowl and their matchup,
the six to three matchup against Ole Miss, So that'll
be coming up on New Year's Day. That'll be the
primetime game on New Year's Day at eight Eastern time,
And Kirby Smart talked about, you know how difficult it
may be to prepare for games nowadays with the portal
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and everything going on at this time of year, and had.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This to say, everybody's you know, announcing what they're doing.
I'm announcing that I'm going into portal, I'm announcing that
I'm resigning. How about you announced that you're getting better
and you're going to practice and like actually do what
the twenty and thirty years of college football players did
before you, which was practice in December when they're on
good teams and get better.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So, Kirby Smart, I'm not happy with.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The pipe dream the press kids. That's on the rules
rules makers. Yeah, they announced, and that's that's the trend.
I announced when you. Kirby Smart wants me to come
play for him, and I will announce when I'm leaving.
Kirby Smart like you, I ain't never heard you complain
about the announcements of committing to the school. So to me,
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he's right, He's right. Jones, No, I agree. You know,
he's right about the idea of it, the concept of it,
the belief of it, the value of it. But you
also have to live in the reality of what exists
right now, and that's the culture you're in. And either
you evolve or you die. And they say that's why
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the dinosaurs disappear, you know, they say that's why certain
species disappear, They go extinct because they didn't find a
way to evolve and continue to thrive. It's much like
the coaching profession, and that is a very real thing
at this point in college football is being able to
adjust and adapt and evolve to the ever changing landscape
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of what it is. The transfer portal is a major
part of it. Nil Paying these athletes it is a
major part of it. And listen, you saw Sabans frustrated
enough to walk away altogether. He still had a lot
of great years left at him. He chose to walk away.
That's fine. Sometimes being the best you is looking at
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what the worst you could possibly be and taking your chips,
pulling them away from the table and going and cashing
them men before you give them all back. So I'd
say this, I'd issue a word of caution to Kirby
Smart because you could be hot today and you could
be cold tomorrow. You know that type of talk that
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could be a turnoff to not only kids, but a
lot of times what people don't realize is how big
an influence the family is to these kids. Whether it's
the mom. More often than not, it's the mom, a
lot of times it's the dad, but sometimes it's another
could be a grandparent, could be an uncle, could be
an aunt, could be a cousin. You don't know. The
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list run runs on and on and on, and you
have to be aware of what's the worth and the
value of what you're doing with these kids, what you're
saying about them. You got to pay attention to every
little thing because these other schools will prey on it.
And these parents and these family members that are representing
these kids are paying attention to it. Every little thing counts,
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every the little thing matters. And while some parents may
like that Jonas, there may be other parents that's sitting
there like, yeah, you're damn right, we're leaving you, damn right.
We're announcing it, like mind your business. Coach my coach
my kid, and that's what you need to do. And listen.
I'll say this, I don't. I don't. I don't think
that's healthy for for the kids development. But I'd also
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say I'd be naive to think that that's not what's
really going on out here. It's a money game. It's
a numbers game. They've convinced these kids that it's got
to be about the money and the family. They're going
after the money too, like people are going after the
cash rewards. So the transfer portal is bigger because it
represents leverage, it represents power to the people that are
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helping these kids make their decisions. There's kids that are
leaving the go into transfer portal because they're upset about
not playing. But then there's the other ones that are
using it as a leverage tool to get the school
that they're at to come up and pony up more money,
or to go get more money somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I agree with Kirby Smart. I think you probably agree
with Kirby Smart. The problem is two pass out of
the tube, Like, I don't see any possible way it
goes back to where things were as as he mentioned,
you know, twenty thirty years prior to where players are
just focused on getting better in December. Because nowadays you
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actually can make a living playing college football, which is
wild to say, like it's wild and you can do it,
and it's allowed, and in fact it's celebrated. Like you've
got guys on social media announcing contract extensions, like they
committed to a school and a year later they're signing
extensions and it shows them like as if they're in
the NFL signing a contra tracked at a desk and
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there's a picture like it. The game has completely changed.
And so when you hear his frustration and you mentioned
Nick Saban. Look, Dabo Swinny's been bitching about this stuff
for how long.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Now we got in a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I mean Jeff Hafley, who left Boston College as their
head coach, stepped down to go be a defensive coordinator
with the Packers.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And by the way, that's gonna work out because he's
done a phenomenal job with Green Bay. He's going to
be a head coach in the NFL. But he recognized, Yeah,
where this is headed. I don't know that I want
to operate under these conditions, so I've got to go elsewhere.
I just think it's at the point now to where
as you mentioned, and you've seen coaches do this before,
you've got to adapt or die. Like for years, you
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remember when coach k Mike Krzhevski, you nw it was
a duke. The one thing Duke was always celebrated for
was guys stay all four years and guystal Is stay
there all four years and then all of a sudden,
Corey mcgetty, I think Elton Brand like some of these
guys started bailing after a year. And I think Mike
Skrzyzewski recognized, Man, those days, guy control it he can't,
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and so he had to a daft or die and
he had to figure it out. It's why he's arguably
the best, one of the best coaches in the history
of sports, because he was able to win national titles
not just in one era, but in two or three eras.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I just look at it and I go, this
is the way.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
They went on this one though? Could he win in
this area? I mean, all things given, I think it's
just luck of the draw man, big bank, little bank.
That's how I look at it. That's how I see it.
Big bank, little bank, who's ever gone open up their
their pockets, and that community supports it and they fund
these athletes because there's going to come times where you're
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offered something and it's very comparable to other places. And
now it just comes down to decision making, right and
it may not always go the way people thought it
would have gone. You might choose a different school over
Ohio State, you know, for one reason or another. You know,
it could be the weather. You know, I'm going through
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it with my kids right now. They get homesick, you know,
So you could have a kid that ends up getting
the same type of money that he would have got
to go somewhere else, and they end up going to
a school that isn't one of the traditional powers just
because it's close to home, you know. So there's a
lot of different factors that could play into why a
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kid chooses something over the other. Or I got here,
I didn't want to be here anymore, whatever it may
have been. And this is where I find the biggest
issue in it, Jonas, is is that I feel as though,
for one, it creates a false sense of achievement, a
false sense of accomplishment because it's year to year. It's
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year to year. You could f it up, it could
be done in a year and for but it was
worth You went from making no money to making seventy
five grand, and you thought you were about to be
a millionaire. And they don't even want you anymore. New
coach comes in, they looked at your film, they're not
impressed with it. They're telling you go ahead, seek other opportunities.
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So it's creating, it's doing away with the idea of
what you mentioned with Shazyshewski is the idea of development, right,
the idea of understanding how to fit into a work environment,
to beyond schedule, beyond time to manage and balance. That's
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the growth of a person, and in this particular category,
the building of a boy into a man, like I
became a man when I went to college. Sure I
got up on time when I was in high school,
Sure I got up early. I did extra things there.
But the idea of it, you're away from your family,
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you have responsibilities. There's consequences and repercussions to you not
keeping up with the responsibilities that you have, and you
have to do it on your own.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And you kept your word and you kept your commitment.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh yeah, and I was ready to transfer. Man. I
always tell the story to a couple of people. After
my freshman year, I didn't play, and I thought I
would come in and play. I was like, all right,
I'm gonna give it the spring. You know, I went
through the spring and wasn't starting. We finished up spring.
I gave it everything I had. And the dude that
was in front of me was just as good as
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all American as I was. And he was a red shirt.
So you're a rich shirt sophomore. I'm a true sophomore
going I'm going We're going into our sophomore years, and
you're beating me. Out I almost transferred Zonus. But that
goes back to the conversation, right, It's kind of like
I was the number one rated player in the country
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coming out of high school. I was the national Player
of the Year for Parade. And you know, who knows
what I would have been able to command money wise
coming out of high school or what my brand would
have looked like I played football in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean, so, how what do you think?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What do you think the check for you and or
Brady Quinn would have been had you guys played nowadays?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't. I don't, I do not know, but I
will say when you think about just kind of I
think about the way I was treated in how I
was handled by the coaching staff, and you just can't.
You can't handle athletes like that anymore like some of them.
You can't like my kid, you can discipline him like
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my kid was disciplined for something he really like. The
dude was supposed to check in, now this is a
life lesson. Dude was supposed to check in for breakfast
at seven am. He's on the toilet at six fifty
eight and doesn't come out until seven oh one and
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had to do a power hour had had to be
he was disciplined for it. Like to me, that's there's
no reason to discipline a kid if he's there, you
know he's there, Like if he told you I was
in the restroom and he's one minute late, like he
was there, But it doesn't matter, right you were, you
hold it, tell them I'm here, I'm going to the restroom.
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Go to the restroom. That's the lesson, right to these
kids out here these days, they'd be like you never
believe what they did to me today.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'm attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I had to go do this power hour because I
was I had to go tax that toilet, you know
what I mean, Like this crazy, I'm out of here.
And then you know what the parents be like, yeah,
we out of here, son, Like where are we going?
Like let's let's get on the phone with the like
we're gonna figure it out. We out of here, We're
gonna hit the portal. Like cats don't be feeling like
working out, Jonas, Like I think I'll sit out working
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out today, Like what, Yeah, I'm tired, Like don't feel
like doing it today. And you're looking at some of
these cats and it's just it's a different day. And
age man and either you can develop or already have
the patience to be able to handle it in a
way where you can be successful and not stress yourself
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out to the point of where you're stressing your coaching
staff out, to where your coaching staff and you are
stressing your kids out. And then all this stress that's
going around people didn't pay attention. People aren't paying attention
to the behind the scenes amounts of stress that are
going on at these programs. I mean, I look at
what happened to Penn State this year. If you ask me,
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the nil play a major part in the stress level
of Penn State and the happiness factor and the belief
factor in one another, or you know, teammates not being leaders,
like how can you be a leader if this dude
is making more money than you? And that happens. It
happens in the league, it happens now in college. There's
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something to be said, and it might be not looked
at and view that right now, but it's something to
be said about the idea that the money changes not
only the dynamic of how you recruit and how you
retain the kids, but it also changes the whole entire
dynamic of the team and the environment that you're in
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from the locker room, Like you go out to the
parking lot, this guy's driving a six hundred series, a
sixth series bends. This guy's over here with an X five.
This guy's probably a better player. He ain't even getting
nowhere near the money these guys are getting like it,
like I'm jealous, I wish I could have that type
of car. Da da da. Then you're, you know, the
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coaching staff, like how do you handle these players? Like
there's like the whole idea of you can only say
so much to them these days. It totally has changed
the camaraderie factor in the locker room. Like that parking
lot comes into the locker room, dudes might be ready
to fight a little quicker than what they would over
just caught playing the dozens or anything like that. The
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stakes have been taken so high because money always changes things.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know what I was thinking when you were talking
about that, Because I do wonder if we're at the
point now where you have to factor that in when
evaluating how teams are actually going to be Because this happened, absolutely,
this happens in the end of look perfect example. Remember
twenty eleven, the Eagles signed all those players nomdi awesome one.
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All those guys, what were they five hundred that year?
Five hundred team that year. So, and I say that
to say this. If you go back to the preseason
top twenty five, here was your top four. Texas, Penn State,
Ohio State, and Clemson. Three of the four were nowhere
to be found in the national title picture. You mentioned
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Penn State, there was Texas. Clemson was a disaster. There
was Dabo Swinney. Could he be fired? Could he be
on his way out? Conversations? Ohio State kept there undo
the bargain. But I wonder if they're something to what
you're saying to where yeah, you can look at and
say how many five stars, how many four stars, how
many Blue Chippers you've got, But now you have to factor.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
In you got to deal with those personality.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Percent and those personalities with money.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's what I'm saying. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's
not because in college you could deal with the personality
like they come in it's like, oh, you're in college now,
you're in college now, Like you come in now, like yeah,
I'm in college now, and I'm collecting high mid six figures.
I'm in college now, yeah, I'm commanding seven figures. Well, oh,
you're amanding seven figures in high school while your offensive.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Linemen who are blocking for you are making a fraction
of that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
If that, well, now everybody gets something, right. So but
again that there's that, there's that friction, right, there's that.
There's that like I'm looking at them like I am
the center of this team, or I am the one
that protects your blind side, Like I don't have that
nice car. I don't like do I have to? Just
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everybody is going to be that I don't want the
attention in their spotlight. Some of them are going to
be jealous. Some of them are going to look at
you like you're this entitled, little spoiled pratt And that's
your teammate. Y'all supposed to be on a love deal
and y'all not, y'all hating on one another. How does
that play into the whole Dayton game? You know, you
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dating somebody I might have wanted to date or whatever
it may be, Like you're more popular. I mean there
was always more popular guys anyway, But maybe now there's
a dude that wasn't necessarily popular, but they making more money.
Like maybe dude ugly and he got two three girls
that you want. You know, you just take your pick
as one of them, man, take one. Like, no, he
took all of them. He can afford to hang out
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with all of them. You know, you got to deal
with that. It's funny, but it's true. One of the
biggest beats, hey man, one of the biggest beasts that
people will never talk about are women in college. The
competition on campus for women in college. It's very real.
It's very real. It's very real, man, And that could
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create conflict. And you got dudes that might have the
money to do it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I
ain't gotta keep going. But these are all the issues
that you can't put you know how they say there's
stats that you can't. You can't you look at and
you can't put the stat down and say what the
relevance of it is. But you know it's there, and
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you know it's important. These are the conversations that people
should be having about where we're at with the current
position of where college football, the state of college football is.
Kirby Smart is only looking at it merely from a
very very narrow scope in terms of what it represents
to the field. But you got to you gotta widen
that scope of what the pressures and what has been
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created by this nil era of time along with the
portal money in portal that's changed everything. So you got
to open up the lens. You got to look at
the conversation as a wider conversation. And Jonas, you can't
ignore it, No, you can't. Coaches ignore these topics, right,
they'll work that out. You only you only you know,
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you only mess with it when something happens.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well, like we get it.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We get it every year to where there's a team
that's ranked high that you know going into it, it's like, ah,
they didn't live up to the expectations, but three of
the top four this year like nowhere to be found,
like nowhere.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
S bus Pipes Man.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, and that's why sure, bus Pipes Yeah, I think
it's a I think it's a good point. By the way,
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(30:56):
our midweek awards coming up here in about ten minutes
from now, But I'd like to hand out an award
to somebody in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Best gig.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
In the league goes to Deshaun Watson because, according to
his head coach, Kevin Stefanski, Eah, we're all good here.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
For the year. On the roster.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
We will not activate DeShawn, so he will go to reserve,
back to reserve pup. But really proud of the progress
that he's making, doing a really nice job in the
meeting room on the field of these last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So all you gotta do is be in the meeting room,
hang out on the field, and you're going to get
every cent of that monster contract.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What else is there to do?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean, And by the way, this here's a little
of the details for anybody wondering, like how long is
this going to go on? For the Cleveland brown still
owe Deshaun Watson forty six million dollars in salary next season.
His cap hit for twenty twenty six eighty point seven million,
the largest in the NFL. If the Browns were to
cut Watson before June first, they would incure an NFL
(32:07):
record dead cap charge of one hundred and thirty one
million dollars. If Cleveland released Deshaun Watson with a post
June one designation, the dead cap would be split into
eighty million dollars in twenty twenty six and the remaining
fifty million in twenty twenty seven. The record for dead
cap money by the way goes to Russell Wilson and
the Denver Broncos at eighty five million, which was split
(32:30):
into fifty three million and thirty two million dollar charges
over two years.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So it's just that might be what happens though, I mean,
and it could be based around why you know, what
Denver was able to do post Russell Wilson. That could
be the way they look at it, because otherwise, I mean,
you heard you heard Stefanski say I'm proud of them
(32:57):
and stuff like the things that he was saying and
speaking about him, it sounds as though you're trying to
make sure you maintain the relationship And the only reason
why you would not be short and actually feel compelled
to say the things that he said because those things
aren't those things aren't maintaining his value, right, Him saying
that doesn't make him more tradable. Right, You're not going
(33:20):
like all the coach talked so well about how he
was behind the scenes. Yeah, we're going to take a
chance on him. Oh wait, we got to absorb what
we got to take on what contracts? Oh yeah, well
we could go in a different We'll go over here,
like I think we're in the we're in the wrong
department store.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We'll take We'll take somebody toxic for half off half
the price.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, oh yeah, right, So uh uh. You know, when
you look at it from that angle and that lens,
you'd have to assume Stefanski's being genuine and what he's
saying about the Shaw. So that makes me like listening
to that sound by it leads me to believe is
Stefanski's there, He's still looking at this being an open
quarterbacks conversation and competition.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I think that Stefanski's looking around going, I mean, I'm
just gonna play nice the last couple of weeks, so
hopefully I can also get the hell out of here,
like I got to go somewhere where I can actually
be the head coach for an organization that has some
semblance of a plan at quarterback and not whatever it
(34:28):
is that we rolled out this year which made no
sense whatsoever. Don't blindside me with a deal to bring
into Shaun Watson. We part ways with Baker Mayfield, and
some of the reports where the Kevin Stefanski and Baker
Mayfield weren't seeing eye to eye and they had a
little bit of a falling out. Whatever but don't blindside
me with the what we gave up to get Deshaun Watson.
Let's not continue on with the charade all the way
(34:51):
up until this season, when you know, we bring back
Joe Flacco, we draft two quarterbacks in the same draft,
and then you blindside me again by Trey Joe Flacco
inside the division, which I had no clue about and
no thought that that was gonna have. I think Stefanski's
just looking around, going, hey man, you know, hey, I'm
just gonna say nice things. I'm just gonna say nice
(35:13):
and hopefully I just shake hands, I'm out the door
and out of this circus tent, and I can go
get a job fifteen minutes later, because I think people
respect the work that I do.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think he's just I think Stefanski's just over it
at this point.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, but what if things have taken a turn for
the better in his favor all those things that you said,
What if somebody is actually doing this one thing that
people don't exercise, what is that? Oh? Yeah, common sense?
What if somebody is up top seeing what it is
that you're saying. All right, there could be a possibility
(35:51):
that they're looking at Stefanski, who's like, man, like, just
let this man do what he's going to do, like
this season, let him like, let him let him have
it the way he wants to have it, Like, let's
let's get his input on that. How does it feel
with the conversations with the GM and the decision makers
on personnel? How do we really really service you as
(36:12):
our head coach in the best way possible? If he's
in that type of scenario, then I would say, if
you're if you're able to survive the type of situations
that Stefanski has then and by the way, he's been
a Coach of the Year for you two times.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, right, So why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Why wouldn't you be upbeatn positive about moving forward? If
finally you've seen people who have taken the reins and
said we're going to make the decisions and they've jacked
it up terribly, you know, maybe he's in a good situation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now do you believe that that at this point if
they haven't done that yet based on what he's done
for the organization, that they would.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Start now, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's hard to it's hard to know, right, Like something
could have happened there. There could have been a life
experience that altered the way somebody sees the world. Right,
somebody might have had a near death experience and had
an epiphany that they just need to be a better person.
I mean, it's the holiday season. Maybe it could be
a new Year's resolution to try to be more open,
(37:19):
or I just don't you don't know what could change
somebody's outlook on how they handle things.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Their draft class has been really good, Miles.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
They've had good players.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, like it's it's that quarterback position, Like it's that
they can't And you could say that about a lot
of teams in the NFL. But man, the Deshaun Watson
and they mentioned Russell Wilson and look that that deal,
you know, was a disaster, but now you look at
it and you go, well, Seattle's.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Good again, Denver's good again. The Browns.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
The Deshaun Watson stuff is going to be looked at
historically as the worst deal in the history of the sport,
like the worst, and there's not even a close second.
And Kevin Stefanski's the coach having to try and navigate
those waters. And somehow he's been coaching the year twice somehow,
and like I just think he looks at it and goes,
(38:10):
I'm wasting my time here, Like, let me get me somewhere.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That's why. Look if Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Too, it's too good of a gig to try to
pivot unnecessarily, and and for what it's worth, it doesn't
matter if it's the Saints, if it's the Browns, doesn't matter.
Thirty two of them jobs exists. Thirty two in the
(38:37):
entire world exists, and he has one. It's too good
of a gig. Too good of a gig.
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Of course, there are some good things that happen, and
there's some bad, and then there's some downright ugly things.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's time for good, bad and.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Love, all right, sheriff SWEEKA. You've got the good this
week because Bradon t Quinn is out all right.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
So the good gentleman I got for us the NBA
has actually recently gathered some pulling to see if they
can try and combat new ways to prevent teams from tanking.
Have gone on to say they're suggesting and brainstorming ideas,
maybe to no longer allowing a team to draft in
the top four two years in a row, and maybe
even locking lottery positions after March first. They're looking at
(40:32):
possible things to help combat this.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Guys. I think that's pretty good. I mean, yeah, it's
you know, let's say if it works.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Let's see if if they actually, you know, implement this stuff,
or if this is just all talk but it's fair.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
What else we got? Who's got the bad? You got
the bad? Share of jonas?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
This is come on, bearing, this is easy. Here's you're
bad for the week. Egg nog and the push for
people to try and sell.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You on egg noggets my bad, not yours, My bad,
not yours. Eggnog is revolting.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's the equivalent of peeps during Easter, candy corn during Halloween.
The people that say they like it don't actually like it,
and they can put anything they want inside of it,
like who's a urinal cake?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
You name it. It's not going to improve it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
You can't polish a turn, as they say, and eggnogg
is awful, Dear, you have.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
To try different brands. Okay, Candy Corn's good, Jonas, I
can't go with you there.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
Okay, Well you know what, share a far you get
the ugly, go for a brother.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
You know my ugly is all of this displaced, misplaced,
bad placed, lead to lot hate, Like, Mike, I get it,
but bro, like you don't get paid to come on
Jonas's feed every single day and ask where he's at.
And the rest of the guys that are big time
(41:55):
leave followers like that's I believe that you guys are
legit and high you feel about him, But hit Leah like,
why do y'all keep hitting joon this up like it's
the weirdest thing. Man, It makes me wonder about it.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I don't even know who he is.
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
So what if what if Santa was a regional deal,
like a franchise, like you had to go into Santa
Training all they just had a Santa ready to go
in every single region of the world that Santa is
welcome into.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, I mean there's like a clown college, like you
got to go to college and be in.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Maybe there's never been just one Santa. Maybe it's like
a Santa.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Academy or Fairy Godmother in Training school or the Easter
Bunny there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Maybe they're all regional, like you got to go to
Easter Bunny training, Fairy Godmother training, you know. But maybe
that's what's been going on all these years. That's how
that's how Santa is able to be in so many
different places at so many times, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So on the subject and Santa Juniors, do.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
You think there are Santa is the second.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Anyway, leaving more than milk and cookies out.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Hey yo, all right, all right, so so back to
the back to our regular set of programming. I just
wanted to give you the heads up here that based
on our Santa tracker here my friends at Norad last
spotted in New Zealand. He is just under two minutes
away from McMurdo station in Antarctica. So if you are
(02:33):
listening on the iHeartRadio app in McMurdo, Antarctica, wherever the
hell that is, just know that in under two minutes,
there's gonna be some gifts under the tree.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Okay, bruh. How cold is it up in the air
and that sleigh like, do you think because it isn't
covered or is it? Does he have a covert? Now?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, it's not a motorcade.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
So does the heat like, does does he have a
good heater on that sleigh? Like? How that it's gotta
be freezing cold up in that that air.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'll bet he's got nipples like shot glasses at this bang.
I mean, it's there's a whoa out there.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
It's cold. Is Rudolph still around? Um? I think yeah,
I'm seeing him here right in the front there. I
can see his nose.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So again, McMurdo, they never go anywhere like they've just
they've they've just been alive for like ever, man like forever.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know some people you know are into that, you know,
like live forever stuff. I think, are there are there?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like maybe just like they have little dancers and prancers
and Rudolph's and all that, Like do they just have
little ones like they go into training too, they go
into to rein their school. Maybe that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I mean they were doing that with Shamu when that
was really really popular. You know they do it with
the dog in uh In Georgia, right, they do it
with with the hound in uh In, Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
I mean, you know, yeah, but this is Santa Claus
next level, next level stuff here. He didn't need all
the the underlings. He's got his elves. They get to work,
He gets up there and he starts delivering the goods here.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
So how does he continue to find that type of workforce?
And and in this day and age that we live
in where everybody's so touched sensitive and stuff like that,
do you think people complain about their not being like
equal opportunities and and different people there to work? Like?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Do you think no? I mean I think that he
uh listened.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Does that turned into an issue? Like has that ever
turned into like a racial discussion or you know, a
certain certain community.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
You know that, Tim what if he denied.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Me? Well, yes, because you're of a normal height.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Santa Claus took on a malnourished deer with a red
nose and made him the feature back in he.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Did, Yes, he did so like you know that. You know,
mother Reindeers, we're jealous of Rudolf.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
They wouldn't let him play any Reindeer games. Like they're like, hey,
who's this goof this guy?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Dang slave? For all these years, this little red nosed
little bit doesn't just show up and now he's just
pulling our sleigh. Everybody know who he is. We pull
up to the crib, everybody's like Rudolf, like, what about me?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
You think you think?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What about Prince?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Or they call me prince.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think it was like in Vanilla Sky where Blitzing
walked in and saw Rudolph in the bathroom said, dude,
fix your f and face.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, there was big time in he You ever noticed
how they reindeers they make the other reindeers bigger than Rudolph.
You ever noticed that they always like like like Rudolph
is a baby.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, now nourished.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
You guys want to hear a buddy he wasn't a baby,
was he? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Go ahead, go ahead, Okay, did you know that all
the reindeer, every single one of them, is actually a female.
Male reindeer lose their ant antlers in the fall and
the female keeps them all year round.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Good for them. So blitz in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Antlers. Yep, they do, like like regular deer. The girls
don't have.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Antlersdeer both male and female do, but.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They be no or rando.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Yeah, there's lots of that.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Heay, Well, then then maybe people wouldn't be as upset.
And you know, bother that that it's all women pooling
the sleigh. I mean, there you go.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Whatever works.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Just under six minutes away from Queenstown, New Zealand, which
is appropriate based on the conversation we just had as
he heads to Queenstown.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
All right, so.
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good over the past several years that just I still
think they kind of fly under the radar. There's just
kind of say, oh yeah, George is here. Oh yeah,
you know, they've just you know, been one of the
better college football programs in recent history.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know, like a lot of great players. Listen, you know,
they like to drive a little fast. That's a problem.
It seems like that pops up every now and again.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
That's not a problem on the field, no, real life.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
They're getting ready for the Sugar Bowl and their matchup,
the six to three matchup against Ole Miss, So that'll
be coming up on New Year's Day. That'll be the
primetime game on New Year's Day at eight Eastern time,
And Kirby Smart talked about, you know how difficult it
may be to prepare for games nowadays with the portal
(07:59):
and everything going on at this time of year, and had.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
This to say, everybody's you know, announcing what they're doing.
I'm announcing that I'm going into portal, I'm announcing that
I'm resigning. How about you announced that you're getting better
and you're going to practice and like actually do what
the twenty and thirty years of college football players did
before you, which was practice in December when they're on
good teams and get better.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
So, Kirby Smart, I'm not happy with.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The pipe dream the press kids. That's on the rules
rules makers. Yeah, they announced, and that's that's the trend.
I announced when you. Kirby Smart wants me to come
play for him, and I will announce when I'm leaving.
Kirby Smart like you, I ain't never heard you complain
about the announcements of committing to the school. So to me,
(08:48):
he's right, He's right. Jones, No, I agree. You know,
he's right about the idea of it, the concept of it,
the belief of it, the value of it. But you
also have to live in the reality of what exists
right now, and that's the culture you're in. And either
you evolve or you die. And they say that's why
(09:11):
the dinosaurs disappear, you know, they say that's why certain
species disappear, They go extinct because they didn't find a
way to evolve and continue to thrive. It's much like
the coaching profession, and that is a very real thing
at this point in college football is being able to
adjust and adapt and evolve to the ever changing landscape
(09:35):
of what it is. The transfer portal is a major
part of it. Nil Paying these athletes it is a
major part of it. And listen, you saw Sabans frustrated
enough to walk away altogether. He still had a lot
of great years left at him. He chose to walk away.
That's fine. Sometimes being the best you is looking at
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what the worst you could possibly be and taking your chips,
pulling them away from the table and going and cashing
them men before you give them all back. So I'd
say this, I'd issue a word of caution to Kirby
Smart because you could be hot today and you could
be cold tomorrow. You know that type of talk that
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could be a turnoff to not only kids, but a
lot of times what people don't realize is how big
an influence the family is to these kids. Whether it's
the mom. More often than not, it's the mom, a
lot of times it's the dad, but sometimes it's another
could be a grandparent, could be an uncle, could be
an aunt, could be a cousin. You don't know. The
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list run runs on and on and on, and you
have to be aware of what's the worth and the
value of what you're doing with these kids, what you're
saying about them. You got to pay attention to every
little thing because these other schools will prey on it.
And these parents and these family members that are representing
these kids are paying attention to it. Every little thing counts,
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every the little thing matters. And while some parents may
like that Jonas, there may be other parents that's sitting
there like, yeah, you're damn right, we're leaving you, damn right.
We're announcing it, like mind your business. Coach my coach
my kid, and that's what you need to do. And listen.
I'll say this, I don't. I don't. I don't think
that's healthy for for the kids development. But I'd also
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say I'd be naive to think that that's not what's
really going on out here. It's a money game. It's
a numbers game. They've convinced these kids that it's got
to be about the money and the family. They're going
after the money too, like people are going after the
cash rewards. So the transfer portal is bigger because it
represents leverage, it represents power to the people that are
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helping these kids make their decisions. There's kids that are
leaving the go into transfer portal because they're upset about
not playing. But then there's the other ones that are
using it as a leverage tool to get the school
that they're at to come up and pony up more money,
or to go get more money somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I agree with Kirby Smart. I think you probably agree
with Kirby Smart. The problem is two pass out of
the tube, Like, I don't see any possible way it
goes back to where things were as as he mentioned,
you know, twenty thirty years prior to where players are
just focused on getting better in December. Because nowadays you
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actually can make a living playing college football, which is
wild to say, like it's wild and you can do it,
and it's allowed, and in fact it's celebrated. Like you've
got guys on social media announcing contract extensions, like they
committed to a school and a year later they're signing
extensions and it shows them like as if they're in
the NFL signing a contra tracked at a desk and
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there's a picture like it. The game has completely changed.
And so when you hear his frustration and you mentioned
Nick Saban. Look, Dabo Swinny's been bitching about this stuff
for how long.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Now we got in a couple of days.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I mean Jeff Hafley, who left Boston College as their
head coach, stepped down to go be a defensive coordinator
with the Packers.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
And by the way, that's gonna work out because he's
done a phenomenal job with Green Bay. He's going to
be a head coach in the NFL. But he recognized, Yeah,
where this is headed. I don't know that I want
to operate under these conditions, so I've got to go elsewhere.
I just think it's at the point now to where
as you mentioned, and you've seen coaches do this before,
you've got to adapt or die. Like for years, you
(13:44):
remember when coach k Mike Krzhevski, you nw it was
a duke. The one thing Duke was always celebrated for
was guys stay all four years and guystal Is stay
there all four years and then all of a sudden,
Corey mcgetty, I think Elton Brand like some of these
guys started bailing after a year. And I think Mike
Skrzyzewski recognized, Man, those days, guy control it he can't,
(14:07):
and so he had to a daft or die and
he had to figure it out. It's why he's arguably
the best, one of the best coaches in the history
of sports, because he was able to win national titles
not just in one era, but in two or three eras.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I just look at it and I go, this
is the way.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
They went on this one though? Could he win in
this area? I mean, all things given, I think it's
just luck of the draw man, big bank, little bank.
That's how I look at it. That's how I see it.
Big bank, little bank, who's ever gone open up their
their pockets, and that community supports it and they fund
these athletes because there's going to come times where you're
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offered something and it's very comparable to other places. And
now it just comes down to decision making, right and
it may not always go the way people thought it
would have gone. You might choose a different school over
Ohio State, you know, for one reason or another. You know,
it could be the weather. You know, I'm going through
(15:08):
it with my kids right now. They get homesick, you know,
So you could have a kid that ends up getting
the same type of money that he would have got
to go somewhere else, and they end up going to
a school that isn't one of the traditional powers just
because it's close to home, you know. So there's a
lot of different factors that could play into why a
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kid chooses something over the other. Or I got here,
I didn't want to be here anymore, whatever it may
have been. And this is where I find the biggest
issue in it, Jonas, is is that I feel as though,
for one, it creates a false sense of achievement, a
false sense of accomplishment because it's year to year. It's
(15:55):
year to year. You could f it up, it could
be done in a year and for but it was
worth You went from making no money to making seventy
five grand, and you thought you were about to be
a millionaire. And they don't even want you anymore. New
coach comes in, they looked at your film, they're not
impressed with it. They're telling you go ahead, seek other opportunities.
(16:17):
So it's creating, it's doing away with the idea of
what you mentioned with Shazyshewski is the idea of development, right,
the idea of understanding how to fit into a work environment,
to beyond schedule, beyond time to manage and balance. That's
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the growth of a person, and in this particular category,
the building of a boy into a man, like I
became a man when I went to college. Sure I
got up on time when I was in high school,
Sure I got up early. I did extra things there.
But the idea of it, you're away from your family,
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you have responsibilities. There's consequences and repercussions to you not
keeping up with the responsibilities that you have, and you
have to do it on your own.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
And you kept your word and you kept your commitment.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Oh yeah, and I was ready to transfer. Man. I
always tell the story to a couple of people. After
my freshman year, I didn't play, and I thought I
would come in and play. I was like, all right,
I'm gonna give it the spring. You know, I went
through the spring and wasn't starting. We finished up spring.
I gave it everything I had. And the dude that
was in front of me was just as good as
(17:31):
all American as I was. And he was a red shirt.
So you're a rich shirt sophomore. I'm a true sophomore
going I'm going We're going into our sophomore years, and
you're beating me. Out I almost transferred Zonus. But that
goes back to the conversation, right, It's kind of like
I was the number one rated player in the country
(17:51):
coming out of high school. I was the national Player
of the Year for Parade. And you know, who knows
what I would have been able to command money wise
coming out of high school or what my brand would
have looked like I played football in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
I mean, so, how what do you think?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
What do you think the check for you and or
Brady Quinn would have been had you guys played nowadays?
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I don't. I don't, I do not know, but I
will say when you think about just kind of I
think about the way I was treated in how I
was handled by the coaching staff, and you just can't.
You can't handle athletes like that anymore like some of them.
You can't like my kid, you can discipline him like
(18:34):
my kid was disciplined for something he really like. The
dude was supposed to check in, now this is a
life lesson. Dude was supposed to check in for breakfast
at seven am. He's on the toilet at six fifty
eight and doesn't come out until seven oh one and
(18:55):
had to do a power hour had had to be
he was disciplined for it. Like to me, that's there's
no reason to discipline a kid if he's there, you
know he's there, Like if he told you I was
in the restroom and he's one minute late, like he
was there, But it doesn't matter, right you were, you
hold it, tell them I'm here, I'm going to the restroom.
(19:18):
Go to the restroom. That's the lesson, right to these
kids out here these days, they'd be like you never
believe what they did to me today.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'm attacked.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I had to go do this power hour because I
was I had to go tax that toilet, you know
what I mean, Like this crazy, I'm out of here.
And then you know what the parents be like, yeah,
we out of here, son, Like where are we going?
Like let's let's get on the phone with the like
we're gonna figure it out. We out of here, We're
gonna hit the portal. Like cats don't be feeling like
working out, Jonas, Like I think I'll sit out working
(19:47):
out today, Like what, Yeah, I'm tired, Like don't feel
like doing it today. And you're looking at some of
these cats and it's just it's a different day. And
age man and either you can develop or already have
the patience to be able to handle it in a
way where you can be successful and not stress yourself
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out to the point of where you're stressing your coaching
staff out, to where your coaching staff and you are
stressing your kids out. And then all this stress that's
going around people didn't pay attention. People aren't paying attention
to the behind the scenes amounts of stress that are
going on at these programs. I mean, I look at
what happened to Penn State this year. If you ask me,
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the nil play a major part in the stress level
of Penn State and the happiness factor and the belief
factor in one another, or you know, teammates not being leaders,
like how can you be a leader if this dude
is making more money than you? And that happens. It
happens in the league, it happens now in college. There's
(20:54):
something to be said, and it might be not looked
at and view that right now, but it's something to
be said about the idea that the money changes not
only the dynamic of how you recruit and how you
retain the kids, but it also changes the whole entire
dynamic of the team and the environment that you're in
(21:15):
from the locker room, Like you go out to the
parking lot, this guy's driving a six hundred series, a
sixth series bends. This guy's over here with an X five.
This guy's probably a better player. He ain't even getting
nowhere near the money these guys are getting like it,
like I'm jealous, I wish I could have that type
of car. Da da da. Then you're, you know, the
(21:38):
coaching staff, like how do you handle these players? Like
there's like the whole idea of you can only say
so much to them these days. It totally has changed
the camaraderie factor in the locker room. Like that parking
lot comes into the locker room, dudes might be ready
to fight a little quicker than what they would over
just caught playing the dozens or anything like that. The
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stakes have been taken so high because money always changes things.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You know what I was thinking when you were talking
about that, Because I do wonder if we're at the
point now where you have to factor that in when
evaluating how teams are actually going to be Because this happened, absolutely,
this happens in the end of look perfect example. Remember
twenty eleven, the Eagles signed all those players nomdi awesome one.
(22:27):
All those guys, what were they five hundred that year?
Five hundred team that year. So, and I say that
to say this. If you go back to the preseason
top twenty five, here was your top four. Texas, Penn State,
Ohio State, and Clemson. Three of the four were nowhere
to be found in the national title picture. You mentioned
(22:49):
Penn State, there was Texas. Clemson was a disaster. There
was Dabo Swinney. Could he be fired? Could he be
on his way out? Conversations? Ohio State kept there undo
the bargain. But I wonder if they're something to what
you're saying to where yeah, you can look at and
say how many five stars, how many four stars, how
many Blue Chippers you've got, But now you have to factor.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
In you got to deal with those personality.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Percent and those personalities with money.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
That's what I'm saying. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's
not because in college you could deal with the personality
like they come in it's like, oh, you're in college now,
you're in college now, Like you come in now, like yeah,
I'm in college now, and I'm collecting high mid six figures.
I'm in college now, yeah, I'm commanding seven figures. Well, oh,
you're amanding seven figures in high school while your offensive.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Linemen who are blocking for you are making a fraction
of that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
If that, well, now everybody gets something, right. So but
again that there's that, there's that friction, right, there's that.
There's that like I'm looking at them like I am
the center of this team, or I am the one
that protects your blind side, Like I don't have that
nice car. I don't like do I have to? Just
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everybody is going to be that I don't want the
attention in their spotlight. Some of them are going to
be jealous. Some of them are going to look at
you like you're this entitled, little spoiled pratt And that's
your teammate. Y'all supposed to be on a love deal
and y'all not, y'all hating on one another. How does
that play into the whole Dayton game? You know, you
(24:18):
dating somebody I might have wanted to date or whatever
it may be, Like you're more popular. I mean there
was always more popular guys anyway, But maybe now there's
a dude that wasn't necessarily popular, but they making more money.
Like maybe dude ugly and he got two three girls
that you want. You know, you just take your pick
as one of them, man, take one. Like, no, he
took all of them. He can afford to hang out
(24:40):
with all of them. You know, you got to deal
with that. It's funny, but it's true. One of the
biggest beats, hey man, one of the biggest beasts that
people will never talk about are women in college. The
competition on campus for women in college. It's very real.
It's very real. It's very real, man, And that could
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create conflict. And you got dudes that might have the
money to do it. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, I
ain't gotta keep going. But these are all the issues
that you can't put you know how they say there's
stats that you can't. You can't you look at and
you can't put the stat down and say what the
relevance of it is. But you know it's there, and
(25:23):
you know it's important. These are the conversations that people
should be having about where we're at with the current
position of where college football, the state of college football is.
Kirby Smart is only looking at it merely from a
very very narrow scope in terms of what it represents
to the field. But you got to you gotta widen
that scope of what the pressures and what has been
(25:44):
created by this nil era of time along with the
portal money in portal that's changed everything. So you got
to open up the lens. You got to look at
the conversation as a wider conversation. And Jonas, you can't
ignore it, No, you can't. Coaches ignore these topics, right,
they'll work that out. You only you only you know,
(26:06):
you only mess with it when something happens.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well, like we get it.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
We get it every year to where there's a team
that's ranked high that you know going into it, it's like, ah,
they didn't live up to the expectations, but three of
the top four this year like nowhere to be found,
like nowhere.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
S bus Pipes Man.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
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from now, But I'd like to hand out an award
to somebody in the NFL right now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Best gig.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
In the league goes to Deshaun Watson because, according to
his head coach, Kevin Stefanski, Eah, we're all good here.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
For the year. On the roster.
Speaker 8 (31:19):
We will not activate DeShawn, so he will go to reserve,
back to reserve pup. But really proud of the progress
that he's making, doing a really nice job in the
meeting room on the field of these last few weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
So all you gotta do is be in the meeting room,
hang out on the field, and you're going to get
every cent of that monster contract.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
What else is there to do?
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I mean, And by the way, this here's a little
of the details for anybody wondering, like how long is
this going to go on? For the Cleveland brown still
owe Deshaun Watson forty six million dollars in salary next season.
His cap hit for twenty twenty six eighty point seven million,
the largest in the NFL. If the Browns were to
cut Watson before June first, they would incure an NFL
(32:07):
record dead cap charge of one hundred and thirty one
million dollars. If Cleveland released Deshaun Watson with a post
June one designation, the dead cap would be split into
eighty million dollars in twenty twenty six and the remaining
fifty million in twenty twenty seven. The record for dead
cap money by the way goes to Russell Wilson and
the Denver Broncos at eighty five million, which was split
(32:30):
into fifty three million and thirty two million dollar charges
over two years.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
So it's just that might be what happens though, I mean,
and it could be based around why you know, what
Denver was able to do post Russell Wilson. That could
be the way they look at it, because otherwise, I mean,
you heard you heard Stefanski say I'm proud of them
(32:57):
and stuff like the things that he was saying and
speaking about him, it sounds as though you're trying to
make sure you maintain the relationship And the only reason
why you would not be short and actually feel compelled
to say the things that he said because those things
aren't those things aren't maintaining his value, right, Him saying
that doesn't make him more tradable. Right, You're not going
(33:20):
like all the coach talked so well about how he
was behind the scenes. Yeah, we're going to take a
chance on him. Oh wait, we got to absorb what
we got to take on what contracts? Oh yeah, well
we could go in a different We'll go over here,
like I think we're in the we're in the wrong
department store.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
We'll take We'll take somebody toxic for half off half
the price.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, oh yeah, right, So uh uh. You know, when
you look at it from that angle and that lens,
you'd have to assume Stefanski's being genuine and what he's
saying about the Shaw. So that makes me like listening
to that sound by it leads me to believe is
Stefanski's there, He's still looking at this being an open
quarterbacks conversation and competition.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
I think that Stefanski's looking around going, I mean, I'm
just gonna play nice the last couple of weeks, so
hopefully I can also get the hell out of here,
like I got to go somewhere where I can actually
be the head coach for an organization that has some
semblance of a plan at quarterback and not whatever it
(34:28):
is that we rolled out this year which made no
sense whatsoever. Don't blindside me with a deal to bring
into Shaun Watson. We part ways with Baker Mayfield, and
some of the reports where the Kevin Stefanski and Baker
Mayfield weren't seeing eye to eye and they had a
little bit of a falling out. Whatever but don't blindside
me with the what we gave up to get Deshaun Watson.
Let's not continue on with the charade all the way
(34:51):
up until this season, when you know, we bring back
Joe Flacco, we draft two quarterbacks in the same draft,
and then you blindside me again by Trey Joe Flacco
inside the division, which I had no clue about and
no thought that that was gonna have. I think Stefanski's
just looking around, going, hey man, you know, hey, I'm
just gonna say nice things. I'm just gonna say nice
(35:13):
and hopefully I just shake hands, I'm out the door
and out of this circus tent, and I can go
get a job fifteen minutes later, because I think people
respect the work that I do.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
I think he's just I think Stefanski's just over it
at this point.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Yeah, but what if things have taken a turn for
the better in his favor all those things that you said,
What if somebody is actually doing this one thing that
people don't exercise, what is that? Oh? Yeah, common sense?
What if somebody is up top seeing what it is
that you're saying. All right, there could be a possibility
(35:51):
that they're looking at Stefanski, who's like, man, like, just
let this man do what he's going to do, like
this season, let him like, let him let him have
it the way he wants to have it, Like, let's
let's get his input on that. How does it feel
with the conversations with the GM and the decision makers
on personnel? How do we really really service you as
(36:12):
our head coach in the best way possible? If he's
in that type of scenario, then I would say, if
you're if you're able to survive the type of situations
that Stefanski has then and by the way, he's been
a Coach of the Year for you two times.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Yeah, right, So why wouldn't you.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Why wouldn't you be upbeatn positive about moving forward? If
finally you've seen people who have taken the reins and
said we're going to make the decisions and they've jacked
it up terribly, you know, maybe he's in a good situation.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Now do you believe that that at this point if
they haven't done that yet based on what he's done
for the organization, that they would.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Start now, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's hard to it's hard to know, right, Like something
could have happened there. There could have been a life
experience that altered the way somebody sees the world. Right,
somebody might have had a near death experience and had
an epiphany that they just need to be a better person.
I mean, it's the holiday season. Maybe it could be
a new Year's resolution to try to be more open,
(37:19):
or I just don't you don't know what could change
somebody's outlook on how they handle things.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Their draft class has been really good, Miles.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
They've had good players.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Yes, like it's it's that quarterback position, Like it's that
they can't And you could say that about a lot
of teams in the NFL. But man, the Deshaun Watson
and they mentioned Russell Wilson and look that that deal,
you know, was a disaster, but now you look at
it and you go, well, Seattle's.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Good again, Denver's good again. The Browns.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
The Deshaun Watson stuff is going to be looked at
historically as the worst deal in the history of the sport,
like the worst, and there's not even a close second.
And Kevin Stefanski's the coach having to try and navigate
those waters. And somehow he's been coaching the year twice somehow,
and like I just think he looks at it and goes,
(38:10):
I'm wasting my time here, Like, let me get me somewhere.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That's why. Look if Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Too, it's too good of a gig to try to
pivot unnecessarily, and and for what it's worth, it doesn't
matter if it's the Saints, if it's the Browns, doesn't matter.
Thirty two of them jobs exists. Thirty two in the
(38:37):
entire world exists, and he has one. It's too good
of a gig. Too good of a gig.
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Two pros and a cup of Joe.
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Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here
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Speaker 6 (39:50):
Of course, there are some good things that happen, and
there's some bad, and then there's some downright ugly things.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
It's time for good, bad and.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Love, all right, sheriff SWEEKA. You've got the good this
week because Bradon t Quinn is out all right.
Speaker 9 (40:09):
So the good gentleman I got for us the NBA
has actually recently gathered some pulling to see if they
can try and combat new ways to prevent teams from tanking.
Have gone on to say they're suggesting and brainstorming ideas,
maybe to no longer allowing a team to draft in
the top four two years in a row, and maybe
even locking lottery positions after March first. They're looking at
(40:32):
possible things to help combat this.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Guys. I think that's pretty good. I mean, yeah, it's
you know, let's say if it works.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Let's see if if they actually, you know, implement this stuff,
or if this is just all talk but it's fair.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
What else we got? Who's got the bad? You got
the bad? Share of jonas?
Speaker 1 (40:51):
This is come on, bearing, this is easy. Here's you're
bad for the week. Egg nog and the push for
people to try and sell.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
You on egg noggets my bad, not yours, My bad,
not yours. Eggnog is revolting.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
It's the equivalent of peeps during Easter, candy corn during Halloween.
The people that say they like it don't actually like it,
and they can put anything they want inside of it,
like who's a urinal cake?
Speaker 3 (41:18):
You name it. It's not going to improve it.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
You can't polish a turn, as they say, and eggnogg
is awful, Dear, you have.
Speaker 3 (41:25):
To try different brands. Okay, Candy Corn's good, Jonas, I
can't go with you there.
Speaker 9 (41:30):
Okay, Well you know what, share a far you get
the ugly, go for a brother.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
You know my ugly is all of this displaced, misplaced,
bad placed, lead to lot hate, Like, Mike, I get it,
but bro, like you don't get paid to come on
Jonas's feed every single day and ask where he's at.
And the rest of the guys that are big time
(41:55):
leave followers like that's I believe that you guys are
legit and high you feel about him, But hit Leah like,
why do y'all keep hitting joon this up like it's
the weirdest thing. Man, It makes me wonder about it.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I don't even know who he is.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Tighten up, Mike,
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