December 5, 2024 • 40 mins
There’s no justification for Diontae Johnson refusing to enter a game. Is it time for the Niners to part ways with Kyle Shanahan and could the Bears be a trading partner? Plus, a throat scratching debate on ICYMI.
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Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh So we're often running here on a Thursday morning,
and apparently we now have some more clarity as to
why something happened in the NFL over the weekend. I
want to go in Deontay Johnson, who was acquired, you know,
a little while back before the trade deadline by the
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Baltimore Ravens from the Carolina Panthers. He just didn't play
at all this past week and it was a little
strange and people were trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Out, Okay, what's going on? Why why didn't he play?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And apparently it turns out that when he was asked
to go into the game this past week, he refused
to do so, and it was a game where they
probably could have used him. He hasn't been heavily involved
in the offense this year since he's arrived in Baltimore,
but they probably could have used him because Rashad Bateman
missed the second half because of the injury.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So what you're saying is y'all only wanted to use
me because y'all didn't have Rashot available.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, Deontay Johnson has been suspended. The Ravens are on
a bye but he gets suspended for the week fifteen
game by Eric DaCosta. The GM there and companies, so.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They decided, all right, conduct that'trimental to the crew.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is what I don't understand, and I really and
I'm trying to understand, and I'm trying to see it
from Deontay Johnson's eyes. But maybe it's because I'm not
an NFL player and I just I don't have this ability.
But I would think if you were able to get
away from a full blown, five alarmed diaper fire like
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the Carolina Panthers and find yourself going from that to
a team making a Super Bowl run, why wouldn't you
be at least happy to be there? Like That's the
part that is strange to me. Is this all about, Well,
if I'm not playing, I'm not happy?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Like, is there?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
No, He's just he's got to understand that. Look, Zay
Flowers is the one. They've got other options there. Yeah,
maybe your opportunity to have an impact on the game
might be a little limited here, but you will have
a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. This just
feels like, now he's got a bit of a reputation,
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and I don't get it, Like, I don't know why
why you would make this move when a team asked
you to go into a game and you just said no,
I'm not doing it, Like, why would that be the case.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'm curious as to what his side of the story is.
I know they listed it as conduct detrimental to the team.
I would be curious to know why he did not
go in. You're dressed, You've obviously gone through the week
of practice, You've prepared, So.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Why in that moment did you not go in?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
See, I'm not really I don't want to jump to
a conclusion that's damning of Deontay because I don't know
the conditions as to or what the circumstances that were
a part of his decision not to go in. I mean,
there could be a legitimate reason in favor of Deontay
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Johnson that would lead me to believe that maybe he
was right. Maybe you shouldn't have put him in, Maybe
he shouldn't have gone in the game. Now what that
reason is, I don't know, But I just know that
sometimes and go figure, this could be, you know, breaking
news for some people out there, but there are some
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times where there's shady business that's done to players with
the Ravens. I mean, I'm not one to exclude anyone
from doing something that would would lead a player to
feel uncomfortable about uncomfortable about what the situation would be.
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So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
the circumstances well enough. We don't have enough information in
this moment to know what it was. Now, I'll say this,
if it was just bare minimum, let's just take it
from bare minimum. You're a player, you're on the roster,
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you went through the week of pract this and you're
not playing. But now all of a sudden, you get
an opportunity to play, and you say you don't want
to go in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I get it. I get that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
If it's at bare minimum face value, that's what the
story is, then not only should you suspend him for
a game, but you probably should let him go from
your team because that's not going to be a positive
contributor to your team. If they don't want to be
a teammate and a player for the team that's active
and ready to participate to help you win. That's what
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this is all about. To begin with, your professionals, do
your damn job. But if there's something more, I just
feel like for a football player to say I don't
want to go into the game, it just leads me
to believe first thought is to give pause and wonder
if there is if there was actually a legitimate concern
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or a legitimate reason on Johnson's part to not go in.
I'm going to take a stab of this, Okay, all right,
stab at it. Since he's arrived, he's got one catch
for six yards, Okay, I'm gonna say that when they
went to him when Bateman went down and needed him
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to go in the game, that is when he realized
he had the quote unquote leverage and just said, no,
I'm not You guys aren't using me at all.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is why do you need me? Now?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Suit it up, ready to go, went through the warm
ups as you laid out, and then he decided, no,
I'm not going in. And I think this was about
the fact that he thought, if you're acquiring me, it's
for a purpose and for a reason. And yet all
that's happened is he's there and he's got one catch
for six So you think he was stewing on the satelline.
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It was a build up.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like the Ravens are one of the And you've talked
about this before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I remember when they did that to me in Washington.
They were that's and with me that way. And I
was just sitting on I was sitting on the ice.
The ice what is it like? What is that called
the not the I don't know. Water bucket not a
bucket though, but it's like where you put all a cooler.
I was sitting on a water cooler right and one
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of the coaches walked back, Steve Jackson, I believe it
was his name, Steve, Coach Jackson. He walks by me goes, hey, LeVar,
stay ready, man, you're going to be up. I started
laughing at him, and he started laughing to it. I
just threw my hands up. He just knew, you know
what I mean. Like, I think I may have ended
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up going in for like a player or two or
something like.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know, But when was that in your Washington career?
It was?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It was it was that Oh hell yeah, it was
the last year it was. And it was the Dallas game.
We were in Dallas and that was the game where
Santana Mosas caught that big play to win the game
for us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But why weren't they putting you in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's not worth going into why not, But here's the
bottom line. The bottom line is I understand that you
could be in a situation like I was being.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I was being belittled, I was being minimized.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
There was a lot of things that was taking place
while I was sitting on that water cooler, cheering on
my teammates, still being a good teammate. And had they
called my name, I would have went in the game
because going into the game meant more to me to
be there for my teammates and deliver as a professional
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than it did to sit on the bench and be like,
you know, you guys aren't using me. Clearly, this is
run its course. I don't like you, you don't like MEF,
you f me like, okay, done right, But this is
a game. This is a game where your team shouldn't
matter enough. Now with with Deontay, that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He just got there.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know that he has that kind of connection
to it to feel as though I know these guys
well enough and my feelings for this team, my teammates
and for what I do, which I think personally, I
don't give a damn how much they tried to belittle me,
or how much they tried to diminish me or mess
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up my name in the media to the fans and
create this narrative of me. I was still going to
be ready to play because I'm a pro. I tend
to think that that's what he should have subscribed to
no matter what the situation was. What I'm not going
to do is give you a reason to actually justify
what it is that you're doing. So if you're not
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throwing me the ball, I got one target, I got
one catch, whatever it is. And this is the moment
where it's like, well, we're going to throw you in
because we don't have anybody else. Okay, I'm gonna be
like Willy Beeman out that bitch, you know. Oh, you
told me to do it this way, you told me
to do it that way. I'm going out there. I'm
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getting open Lamar, get me the ball. I got you
because I'm going to end that moment. I'm going to
take advantage of what it's considered to be what should
be perceived as an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Because Now, if you're one of his teammates, aren't you
looking at him going we needed you dude, like that
was a big and look at it doesn't mean that
Deontay Johnson goes in the game and all of a sudden,
Justin Tucker can make kicks like that's not you know,
it's not like maybe that was the difference between them
winning or losing. But it does send a message or no,
it does send a message that no, well I'm not
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going in like you've done this show when you've had
other things more important than this show going on. Correct,
yeah a lot, and you know I have yeah, hell yeah.
But the reason you do it is because you're a
pro and there's people that are there's people that are
depending on it getting done, and you address that later
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and it feels like this is something to where if
this is what it is, and again you don't want
to jump to conclusions, but that's my guess is that
he was stealing a little bit because he felt like
he were warmed.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But if that's what it is, then it's a very
very undeveloped way of handling being a grown man, of
being an adult. You don't get very many opportunities to
have a job where he makes the type of money
he's going to he's making. You just don't, So I
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don't give a damn. At the end of the day,
if you wanted to treat me that way, it's still
a business. You have every right to do what you
want to do, how you want to do it, and
so do I. And one thing that I'm not going
to do. And if I'm Deontay Johnson and that's what
it is, indeed what it is, then you got to
make sure that no matter what it is you're doing,
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you understand that there's a level of professional, professionalism and
a level of integrity that you should bring to the tail.
I talked about that in the first segment of the
show when I was talking about, you know, my kids
and being proud of my kids. Those are principal values
that I've you know, I believe us as a family
have really really taught and pushed and forced into and
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forged into our kids. Everybody's not going to be your friend.
Everybody's not going to be on your side. Everybody's not
going to be in favor of you having success. In fact,
some people may not care. They may not even care enough.
So in that moment instead of you saying, oh, no
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one cares. Now nobody wanted to play me in now
you want to play me, No, I'm not going in.
Like if that is indeed what it was, If that's
the truth of it, if that's what ends up coming out,
then you know what, shame on him.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And it also sends a message to the rest of
the lead that listen, you don't know if you can
depend on this guy. Remember what mcole hardman, this I like,
this is always a funny one. So McCole hardman left
the chief signed with the Jets, wasn't getting playing time
similar to this, there was some you know, dust ups
on the sidelines, et cetera, et cetera, and then went
out and basically after he left and went to Kansas
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City and back to Kansas City, went out and started
trashing you know, the Jets and trashing the organization and
all that. And then you had Sauce Gardners and other
guys from the Jets being like, dude, you were leaking
game plan info to our opponents. Like so if if
that's and this was multiple players came out and said
this against McCole Hardman. Instead of you could have just
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left there, gone somewhere else and then just let it be. Now,
you send a message that I can't trust this guy
if it's not Kansas City, Like, where is options? And
it's not like you know, Deontay Johnson's had some good moments,
especially with the Steelers, and he signed with Carolina and
all that, but it's not like he's a Jamar Chase
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looking at a two hundred million dollar contract potentially or
whatever it is that he's gonna get paid in this
upcoming offseason. This to me feels like it would limit
your options and all of a sudden there would be
questions like, hey, man, if we want to go with you,
are you going to be able to play even if
the ball is not coming your way? Or are you
going to say no, I refuse to go in a
game when your team needs you.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You best believe these organizations make book on all their players.
Oh yes, So if that again, if that is indeed
what the case is here, and that's what it is,
which again, I'm not going I'm gonna give that man
the benefit of the doubt because I do not know
him and I do not know his history. So I'm
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gonna get that man the benefit of the doubt, and
and and I'm gonna leave it at that until I
hear or know more, but for the sake of sports
talk radio, and for the sake of the topic and
the conversation. If it is indeed he was stewing on
the sideline and his anger and his emotions were getting
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the best of him while he was waiting on the sideline,
and his response to adversity was to not go into
the game, then he shouldn't have got a one game suspension.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Jonas. You just let him go, like you release him.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think one of the details I saw was that
if they release him, then they wouldn't be able to
get back the compensatory pick that they gave up. So
that's part of the motivation, which to lower round pick
whatever they got in return. But that's part of the
motivation for wanting to keep him. Otherwise they would have
just got him.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You want me to respond to that, Yeah, if in
that moment, that is what Deontay Johnson did when you
needed him in a game, I would not suspend him
one game unless it was proper to call to suspend
him before we let him go. I would his ass
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would be off our roster. He would be gone, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's look.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I just remember like because if you start putting yourself
in a spot to where you get a reputation, that's
a problem. And I remember I got one of the
best pieces of advice, was one of the first pieces
of advice when I got into radio, is from a
guy who was a mentor, one of the great people uh.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
In the business, Jeff Biggs. And I remember Biggsy telling.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Me, he said, hey, always be kind to the people
you work with, even if things don't go well and
you end up parting ways. Never burn a bridge because
you would be shocked how many of those bridges are
connected to other ones. And if you're Deontay Johnson, you
don't think people there, especially in the Ravens, who have
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one of the best reputations in the NFL. No people
know somebody. The fact that this stuff gets public like this,
that's just a bad look like that's a bad bad the.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Fact that you did it, because it doesn't matter if
it gets public.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
The bottom line is that they make a buck, they
make book on you, and that's going to follow you.
Your reputation will follow you from whatever organization you leave,
and it comes down to the relationships that you have,
the credibility of of others.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That have been around you who know you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
There are a few things that will precede you in
going to get another job in the National Football League.
Not to mention beyond the playing field. I tell my listen,
I tell guys all the time you you look at
it from the player's perspective when you're a player, because
that's what you're doing. But most of y'all not going
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to make it. You're not going to make it to
a major Division one school. If you do, then you
make it there. You're not going to make it to
the next level. It's just the odds are against you
to make it. But with that being said, there are
so many opportunities, so many jobs that you could be
a part of that would keep you within the ecosystem
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of the sport you grew up playing and you loved.
But you have to be humble enough, and you have
to be aware enough to always put your best foot forward,
be on time for a meeting.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe that just might come up in a business interview,
a job interview that has absolutely zero to do with
you as a player. But what if it's the organization.
What if it's the school you went to. Oh, he
wasn't the greatest of players, or it didn't work out
well for him as a player, But you know what,
he was always on time. Dude, always was studious, took notes,
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made sure he talked to his teammates, was a good teammate,
was a good guy in the locker.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, let's hire him. You could trust him. We can
trust him, Johnny, we can depend on him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Hey, he's dependable, Joe, I'm just sacked.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But it's true, though, he is. The point.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The point is be always. My parents taught me a
very valuable lesson, a very very tremendously valuable lesson. Doing
what's required is not enough. Doing what you're supposed to
do is not enough. Always be building value, Always be
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building value. You want to know why I don't miss
doing the radio. You want to know why I get
my ass up and I'm always here thirty minutes before
every single freaking day is because building the value beyond
what I'm required to do is always the first thing
that I'm thinking about. Af an ego, I'm gonna put
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my best foot forward every single day. Oh you want to, well,
you have you know you guys have the option to
be off this day. Da da da? Who's in here?
Who's in here? We got seven days to work? We
do six? Who's in here? We don't have to do
the weekend show. We're on the we're on the weekday lineup.
We're on the lineup. But we still do it. Why
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Because I'm always going to put more effort. I'm always
going to bring more value. I'm always going to be
focused in on being more than what's required of me.
Because if I'm just doing what's required of me, I'm replaceable.
If I do more than what's required of me, and
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I built the value beyond what was required of me,
then now you got to take a look at the
people that you may want to replace me with, and
you got to be like, is that person going to
bring the more? Like this person right here? That what
LeVar is doing, and that makes it hard for an
employer to move on from an employee. And that's what
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that's to me, that if that's what this discuss is about,
that man made it very easy for himself to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Jerry Coleman, who covers the Ravens in Baltimore, good dude,
who has been doing it a long time there. He
just sent me a message that said Deontay Johnson's current
members in Baltimore are one catch and one suspension. So
at least we're off.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
In good math. It's just good man. So yeah, that's
that is the the story from Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We'll see how it plays out after the bye week
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We'll get into that for you right here on FSR.
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Speaker 2 (23:22):
We are going to have another and.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
By the way, special edition of In Case you missed it.
Kind of move some things around here today. You know,
some things have been moved around with you. So we
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Speaker 1 (23:34):
Got problems, bro You you like they're very real in
your life. Man like I do better help reads, Man Like,
we need to get you. We need to get you
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Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know you'd want to agree from there?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Who wouldn't. All right, So, oh my gosh, So yeah,
we got in case you missed it coming up here
in about fifteen minutes from now. This is an interesting thought,
all right, Just kind of that has been thrown out,
and I'll give a credit where credited. Well, I want
to take partial credit for this, Okay, So I kind
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of threw this out to you guys, and you know speculated, Hey,
do you think we could be nearing the end of
the Kyle Shanahan era in San Francisco? Like, you know,
maybe we're at the point to where the windows closed.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We're not really sure what the future holds.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Brock parties at a down year and a year when
he couldn't have a down year based on his wanting
a big time contract and a big time contract extension
and all that that came along with the sixty million
dollars a year, et cetera, et cetera. So I just thought,
you know, like, it feels like this has gone on
and maybe we're just at the point to where, hey,
we just go our separate ways. Well, Mike Florio throughout
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this idea that what if the Bears throughout a potential
trade for Kyle Shanahan a lah John Gruden going from
the Raiders to the Bucks. We obviously know how that
turned out, but what if that was a move that
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was made and the Bears realized, Hey, that's the you know,
a great option for us, and if we're going to
do this, let's do this right. And if we're going
to show people that we're going to do things differently now,
much like we did when we fired our coaching season
for the first time in the history of the organization,
maybe the Bears reach out to the Niners and at
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least inquire about what it would take to bring Kyle
Shannan to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And it's a big swing and a miss.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's a big swings to his point, why not give
it a shot. It's at least offer it up. It's
a big swing and a miss.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Like that would be foolish to let Mike or excuse me,
Kyle Shanahan go. If you're San fran he's He's been
an amazing coach for this this team, So I would
I would say it's more on John Lynch to put
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his best foot forward in this moment and figure out
how to take this what would considered be considered to
be maybe a spiraling team down from what they once were,
and he has to shore up the ship. He has
been lauded for being an amazing GM.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
He has been.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He has been really really good at what he's done.
In these moments, you find out further what what a
what a GM like John Lynch, what his capabilities are
in the heat of adversity. This is adversity and what
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are you going to do? Because ultimately, when I look
at this team, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
their window is closed purely based off of what we
know right now. I'm not because it's too many injuries,
there's too many there's too many factors at play right
now that are outside the realm of control of Kyle
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Shanahan as a coach for him to be trade bait
or to be fireable for what's going on in San
fran So, to me, this is a scenario where the
GM and his team have to be very diligent like
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before now, before today, but the entire way, maybe even
in the off season, when you were figuring out where
you're going to give auth the contract, when you were
going to give Trent his contract, and whatever else you
were going to do. They had their work cut out
for them then, and they should have never stopped working
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from the moments before then until now. You're always preparing
and planning for what you're going to do next in
the future while you're still presently having the success that
you're having. So then if something happens that's unexpected, like
this is the like to have Christian McCaffrey and Brandon
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Au unavailable to you. And we all saw that Christian
McCaffrey's addition to that team took them to a whole
another level, like they went up soon as soon as
he got involved. Their teams started doing different things on
a higher level. The defense isn't playing as well, you
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got to figure that out. The offense is struggling, and
we know why they're sputtering. What does that mean for
Brock perty I mentioned earlier if there was a trade
that I think would make sense, they were going to
do it is from what I can gather, they were
going to do it with Brady back when he was
leaving Tampa Bay. I mean, when he was leaving New
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England to go to Tampa Bay, there was talks that
they might have been trying to bring him to the
forty nine ers. Why not entertain trying to bring Aaron
Rodgers to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Is that an upgrade over brock party, Yes, you think so, absolutely,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
To day and tomorrow that's an upgrade. It's a Brock person, Dawn,
and I would say this, Is this a better team?
Is this a better team? When somebody goes down injured?
If you have Aaron Rodgers as you're quarterback there Now,
I'm just throwing that out there because all I'm saying is,
(30:03):
if I'm the GM of this team, I'm trying to
figure out what players I can bring in that can
actually transform our team or slow the bleed or stop
the bleeding and take us right back in the direction
that we were in their trajectory was really high. They
had become a very consistent team and what they're accomplishing,
(30:26):
and now you see them having a really, really, really
tough down year. I don't put that at the feet
of Kyle Shanahan in the sense that he should be
on the way out in any kind of way, not
as a trade, not as fired, none of those things.
(30:48):
I'm sticking with Kyle Shanahan. I got a major piece
in place, I'll figure the rest of it out.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I mean, I agree with that. I think there's a
couple of reasons why this won't happen. Number one, because
I don't think John Lynch would ever want to lose
Kyle Shanahan with what he's done there and how successful
he's been.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
And number two because it's the Bears.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Like I just like the Bears would figure out a
way to screw this up, Like they would either you know,
not do it through the proper channels, or they would
you know, hire like you know, in trade for another
Kyle Shanahan who lives in the Bay Area that's not
the coach of the Niners. Like they would just figure
out a way to botch this whole thing. But when
(31:30):
Florio throws this idea out, and he threw out a
potential list of candidates, and he threw out Kyle Shanahan
as one of them. Reportedly, there was another coach quote unquote,
another coach with a team that reached out to Florio
and said, why isn't my name on that list? So
you know, there, it's not like this is foreign to
(31:53):
the league. It's been a long time since we've seen it.
I just think, why not at least kick the tires
on it and do your due diligence to see who's available,
because look, John Lynch does that all the time, whether
it's Tom Brady that you mentioned, whether it was you know,
the Aaron Rodgers stuff like, there's a lot of people.
The reason why the trade lance trade and move up
(32:15):
and them acquiring all that, the reason why that happened
is because reportedly they thought Rogers to the Niners was
a done deal, and then all of a sudden, Green
Bay backed out or whatever it was, and that pissed
off Rogers and that sort of led to what has
happened since then. And so then the Niners kind of
panicked a little bit and then traded away three first
(32:37):
round picks to move up to get Trey Lance, and
reportedly that was Shanahan who was skeptical about Lance, and
it was John Lynch who wanted him. So I'm not
saying that there's still resentment there because it's worked out
with Brock Purdy. But Kyle Shanahan from the get go
was telling everybody Brock Perty's the best quarterback here. Like
he was telling people that guy's going to be the guy.
(33:00):
And so I just to me, if you are a
team like the Bears, you should do your due diligence
and kick the tires on every possibility out there. And
if it means calling the Niners and knowing you're probably
gonna get to know, why is it hurt to ask?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Like you know, just throw it doesn't hurt. It does
hurt to ask.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It does because if it gets out there, if it
gets out there, then that's I would assume a fractured
relationship between you and the organization and the trust factor
that we were talking about just minutes ago on Deontay
Johnson as a player and as a professional would be
in question if the story were to come back that
(33:41):
he was being selfish and he was just upset and
didn't want to go in the game. I mean, relationships
are everything. So if if that's what Sam fran is
going to do, if that's what what what John Lynch
is going to do as a decision maker, you just
got to know you've lost the trust, You've lost the
(34:03):
you've probably compromised in a very serious way, the relationship
dynamic that you have because you've now told me you
know you're okay with me going I mean with the.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Look.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I mean, it would probably would probably cost a first
round pick. The Bears are going to be picking, probably
potentially in the top ten. I'm just saying, you know,
if you're the Niners, all of a sudden, it's a
down year, you're picking high up in the draft, and
now you've got a top ten pick to go along
with it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
In the first round, you bring in Mike Rabol or
somebody to that effect.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And then as your coach or all of a sudden,
you package to top ten picks, you traded away to Jacksonville,
who's not in the market for a quarterback, and should
or Sanders is sitting there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
At one like, it's not the It's not the craziest
thought in the world. There there at least is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You know Shador Sanders is going to go higher in
the draft then as Daddy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Then Yo, Daddy, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
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Speaker 5 (36:30):
Lap Good morning. Everybody feels weird saying good morning in
the second hour, Good morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning, LeVar.
I think you know people get grossed out. It's only
people who can't do it, like tickle the.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Educa for the people that weren't scratched, which is everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Can you explain what it is you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You ever have a tickle in the back of your
throat and some people can do it, some people can't.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Where you can scratch it by doing starting not scratching
your throat is can you do it? Yes, I can
do it. That's how I know what it is. You can't.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's like when you're doing the the the action of
trying to get the snot so that it's not it's
not it's the before hawking lee. When you do what
you're doing, it's like, I can't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
When you're when you're getting to travel down.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You're trying to get it to break up, to pull
it so that you can turn it into a hawker.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But you're pressing, you're.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Pressing the button.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're pressing the elevator button in your throat to make
the stuff down, And that's how you do it. Yes, right,
So why did you so why did you just start
doing that?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I just have it.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Uh No, I had a tickle in the back of
my throat, so scratching it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, no, no, dog, it's my pig noise. That's this look.
Look he's doing this.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
It's like, no, that's not what yesterday. No, you have
your mouth open. You can't do it with your mouth open.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's the same difference, bro, you're not you're trying to
break that ass up and turn it into where you
can either.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
See what you're saying. I do this when I have
a dry throat. It has nothing to do with mucus.
It's disgusting. I don't believe you and it's disgusting. LeVar
said it sounded like a plunger during the break. That
was really really a hot thing to point out.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's like when you're when your ears are bothering you
even yes, yes, mw kids, bro, gosh it is it is.
It's like, that's the only time I can do it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's all connected. You're trying to pull it, you're trying
to get it. Yes, it is. What do you think
an e n t is your nose and throat.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, it's all connected. Oh my throat, My throat is,
bro it's mucus. It's like it's like it's messing with
your throat.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You do it again, home time. Disgusting.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's not it's not a hawk Like I didn't say
it was a hawk.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's like that's like somebody brought a taser into a pettings.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
The hawk comes out.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
He look at the pigs, which, by the way, I
haven't been able to find uh al El's.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think Al's gone. The ol paca.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, they got the goats out there, but I haven't
seen all in a while.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He probably walked into traffic. He could hawk a good one,
I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
By the way, if you saw al paca in the
road and you're going forty.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Five, you put on the brake for an ol paka.
Yeah no, I'm not let me know that right now.
I gotta I gotta go ahead and take that ale. Yeah,
later for you, later for you. Sorry, brother Al twenty two. Yeah,
I don't know what. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I gotta tell you if it was anything that was
out there, it could it could have been a random
you know, it could be a random person walking out there.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I mean, I'm just saying, if you if youre in
the way, you in the way. That's all I'm saying.
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Speaker 2 (01:22):
This is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Uh So we're often running here on a Thursday morning,
and apparently we now have some more clarity as to
why something happened in the NFL over the weekend. I
want to go in Deontay Johnson, who was acquired, you know,
a little while back before the trade deadline by the
(01:47):
Baltimore Ravens from the Carolina Panthers. He just didn't play
at all this past week and it was a little
strange and people were trying to figure.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Out, Okay, what's going on? Why why didn't he play?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
And apparently it turns out that when he was asked
to go into the game this past week, he refused
to do so, and it was a game where they
probably could have used him. He hasn't been heavily involved
in the offense this year since he's arrived in Baltimore,
but they probably could have used him because Rashad Bateman
missed the second half because of the injury.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So what you're saying is y'all only wanted to use
me because y'all didn't have Rashot available.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well, Deontay Johnson has been suspended. The Ravens are on
a bye but he gets suspended for the week fifteen
game by Eric DaCosta. The GM there and companies, so.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
They decided, all right, conduct that'trimental to the crew.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
This is what I don't understand, and I really and
I'm trying to understand, and I'm trying to see it
from Deontay Johnson's eyes. But maybe it's because I'm not
an NFL player and I just I don't have this ability.
But I would think if you were able to get
away from a full blown, five alarmed diaper fire like
(03:03):
the Carolina Panthers and find yourself going from that to
a team making a Super Bowl run, why wouldn't you
be at least happy to be there? Like That's the
part that is strange to me. Is this all about, Well,
if I'm not playing, I'm not happy?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Like, is there?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
No, He's just he's got to understand that. Look, Zay
Flowers is the one. They've got other options there. Yeah,
maybe your opportunity to have an impact on the game
might be a little limited here, but you will have
a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. This just
feels like, now he's got a bit of a reputation,
(03:50):
and I don't get it, Like, I don't know why
why you would make this move when a team asked
you to go into a game and you just said no,
I'm not doing it, Like, why would that be the case.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
I'm curious as to what his side of the story is.
I know they listed it as conduct detrimental to the team.
I would be curious to know why he did not
go in. You're dressed, You've obviously gone through the week
of practice, You've prepared, So.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Why in that moment did you not go in?
Speaker 1 (04:28):
See, I'm not really I don't want to jump to
a conclusion that's damning of Deontay because I don't know
the conditions as to or what the circumstances that were
a part of his decision not to go in. I mean,
there could be a legitimate reason in favor of Deontay
(04:52):
Johnson that would lead me to believe that maybe he
was right. Maybe you shouldn't have put him in, Maybe
he shouldn't have gone in the game. Now what that
reason is, I don't know, But I just know that
sometimes and go figure, this could be, you know, breaking
news for some people out there, but there are some
(05:15):
times where there's shady business that's done to players with
the Ravens. I mean, I'm not one to exclude anyone
from doing something that would would lead a player to
feel uncomfortable about uncomfortable about what the situation would be.
(05:37):
So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
the circumstances well enough. We don't have enough information in
this moment to know what it was. Now, I'll say this,
if it was just bare minimum, let's just take it
from bare minimum. You're a player, you're on the roster,
(05:58):
you went through the week of pract this and you're
not playing. But now all of a sudden, you get
an opportunity to play, and you say you don't want
to go in.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
I get it. I get that.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
If it's at bare minimum face value, that's what the
story is, then not only should you suspend him for
a game, but you probably should let him go from
your team because that's not going to be a positive
contributor to your team. If they don't want to be
a teammate and a player for the team that's active
and ready to participate to help you win. That's what
(06:32):
this is all about. To begin with, your professionals, do
your damn job. But if there's something more, I just
feel like for a football player to say I don't
want to go into the game, it just leads me
to believe first thought is to give pause and wonder
if there is if there was actually a legitimate concern
(06:52):
or a legitimate reason on Johnson's part to not go in.
I'm going to take a stab of this, Okay, all right,
stab at it. Since he's arrived, he's got one catch
for six yards, Okay, I'm gonna say that when they
went to him when Bateman went down and needed him
(07:17):
to go in the game, that is when he realized
he had the quote unquote leverage and just said, no,
I'm not You guys aren't using me at all.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is why do you need me? Now?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Suit it up, ready to go, went through the warm
ups as you laid out, and then he decided, no,
I'm not going in. And I think this was about
the fact that he thought, if you're acquiring me, it's
for a purpose and for a reason. And yet all
that's happened is he's there and he's got one catch
for six So you think he was stewing on the satelline.
(07:51):
It was a build up.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Like the Ravens are one of the And you've talked
about this before.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I remember when they did that to me in Washington.
They were that's and with me that way. And I
was just sitting on I was sitting on the ice.
The ice what is it like? What is that called
the not the I don't know. Water bucket not a
bucket though, but it's like where you put all a cooler.
I was sitting on a water cooler right and one
(08:19):
of the coaches walked back, Steve Jackson, I believe it
was his name, Steve, Coach Jackson. He walks by me goes, hey, LeVar,
stay ready, man, you're going to be up. I started
laughing at him, and he started laughing to it. I
just threw my hands up. He just knew, you know
what I mean. Like, I think I may have ended
(08:40):
up going in for like a player or two or
something like.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know, But when was that in your Washington career?
It was?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
It was it was that Oh hell yeah, it was
the last year it was. And it was the Dallas game.
We were in Dallas and that was the game where
Santana Mosas caught that big play to win the game
for us or whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
But why weren't they putting you in the game.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
That's not worth going into why not, But here's the
bottom line. The bottom line is I understand that you
could be in a situation like I was being.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
I was being belittled, I was being minimized.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
There was a lot of things that was taking place
while I was sitting on that water cooler, cheering on
my teammates, still being a good teammate. And had they
called my name, I would have went in the game
because going into the game meant more to me to
be there for my teammates and deliver as a professional
(09:38):
than it did to sit on the bench and be like,
you know, you guys aren't using me. Clearly, this is
run its course. I don't like you, you don't like MEF,
you f me like, okay, done right, But this is
a game. This is a game where your team shouldn't
matter enough. Now with with Deontay, that's not necessarily the case.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
He just got there.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I don't know that he has that kind of connection
to it to feel as though I know these guys
well enough and my feelings for this team, my teammates
and for what I do, which I think personally, I
don't give a damn how much they tried to belittle me,
or how much they tried to diminish me or mess
(10:25):
up my name in the media to the fans and
create this narrative of me. I was still going to
be ready to play because I'm a pro. I tend
to think that that's what he should have subscribed to
no matter what the situation was. What I'm not going
to do is give you a reason to actually justify
what it is that you're doing. So if you're not
(10:47):
throwing me the ball, I got one target, I got
one catch, whatever it is. And this is the moment
where it's like, well, we're going to throw you in
because we don't have anybody else. Okay, I'm gonna be
like Willy Beeman out that bitch, you know. Oh, you
told me to do it this way, you told me
to do it that way. I'm going out there. I'm
(11:08):
getting open Lamar, get me the ball. I got you
because I'm going to end that moment. I'm going to
take advantage of what it's considered to be what should
be perceived as an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Because Now, if you're one of his teammates, aren't you
looking at him going we needed you dude, like that
was a big and look at it doesn't mean that
Deontay Johnson goes in the game and all of a sudden,
Justin Tucker can make kicks like that's not you know,
it's not like maybe that was the difference between them
winning or losing. But it does send a message or no,
it does send a message that no, well I'm not
(11:41):
going in like you've done this show when you've had
other things more important than this show going on. Correct,
yeah a lot, and you know I have yeah, hell yeah.
But the reason you do it is because you're a
pro and there's people that are there's people that are
depending on it getting done, and you address that later
(12:02):
and it feels like this is something to where if
this is what it is, and again you don't want
to jump to conclusions, but that's my guess is that
he was stealing a little bit because he felt like
he were warmed.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But if that's what it is, then it's a very
very undeveloped way of handling being a grown man, of
being an adult. You don't get very many opportunities to
have a job where he makes the type of money
he's going to he's making. You just don't, So I
(12:33):
don't give a damn. At the end of the day,
if you wanted to treat me that way, it's still
a business. You have every right to do what you
want to do, how you want to do it, and
so do I. And one thing that I'm not going
to do. And if I'm Deontay Johnson and that's what
it is, indeed what it is, then you got to
make sure that no matter what it is you're doing,
(12:55):
you understand that there's a level of professional, professionalism and
a level of integrity that you should bring to the tail.
I talked about that in the first segment of the
show when I was talking about, you know, my kids
and being proud of my kids. Those are principal values
that I've you know, I believe us as a family
have really really taught and pushed and forced into and
(13:18):
forged into our kids. Everybody's not going to be your friend.
Everybody's not going to be on your side. Everybody's not
going to be in favor of you having success. In fact,
some people may not care. They may not even care enough.
So in that moment instead of you saying, oh, no
(13:41):
one cares. Now nobody wanted to play me in now
you want to play me, No, I'm not going in.
Like if that is indeed what it was, If that's
the truth of it, if that's what ends up coming out,
then you know what, shame on him.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
And it also sends a message to the rest of
the lead that listen, you don't know if you can
depend on this guy. Remember what mcole hardman, this I like,
this is always a funny one. So McCole hardman left
the chief signed with the Jets, wasn't getting playing time
similar to this, there was some you know, dust ups
on the sidelines, et cetera, et cetera, and then went
out and basically after he left and went to Kansas
(14:19):
City and back to Kansas City, went out and started
trashing you know, the Jets and trashing the organization and
all that. And then you had Sauce Gardners and other
guys from the Jets being like, dude, you were leaking
game plan info to our opponents. Like so if if
that's and this was multiple players came out and said
this against McCole Hardman. Instead of you could have just
(14:42):
left there, gone somewhere else and then just let it be. Now,
you send a message that I can't trust this guy
if it's not Kansas City, Like, where is options? And
it's not like you know, Deontay Johnson's had some good moments,
especially with the Steelers, and he signed with Carolina and
all that, but it's not like he's a Jamar Chase
(15:03):
looking at a two hundred million dollar contract potentially or
whatever it is that he's gonna get paid in this
upcoming offseason. This to me feels like it would limit
your options and all of a sudden there would be
questions like, hey, man, if we want to go with you,
are you going to be able to play even if
the ball is not coming your way? Or are you
going to say no, I refuse to go in a
game when your team needs you.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
You best believe these organizations make book on all their players.
Oh yes, So if that again, if that is indeed
what the case is here, and that's what it is,
which again, I'm not going I'm gonna give that man
the benefit of the doubt because I do not know
him and I do not know his history. So I'm
(15:45):
gonna get that man the benefit of the doubt, and
and and I'm gonna leave it at that until I
hear or know more, but for the sake of sports
talk radio, and for the sake of the topic and
the conversation. If it is indeed he was stewing on
the sideline and his anger and his emotions were getting
(16:06):
the best of him while he was waiting on the sideline,
and his response to adversity was to not go into
the game, then he shouldn't have got a one game suspension.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Jonas. You just let him go, like you release him.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I think one of the details I saw was that
if they release him, then they wouldn't be able to
get back the compensatory pick that they gave up. So
that's part of the motivation, which to lower round pick
whatever they got in return. But that's part of the
motivation for wanting to keep him. Otherwise they would have
just got him.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
You want me to respond to that, Yeah, if in
that moment, that is what Deontay Johnson did when you
needed him in a game, I would not suspend him
one game unless it was proper to call to suspend
him before we let him go. I would his ass
(17:05):
would be off our roster. He would be gone, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
It's look.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I just remember like because if you start putting yourself
in a spot to where you get a reputation, that's
a problem. And I remember I got one of the
best pieces of advice, was one of the first pieces
of advice when I got into radio, is from a
guy who was a mentor, one of the great people uh.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
In the business, Jeff Biggs. And I remember Biggsy telling.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Me, he said, hey, always be kind to the people
you work with, even if things don't go well and
you end up parting ways. Never burn a bridge because
you would be shocked how many of those bridges are
connected to other ones. And if you're Deontay Johnson, you
don't think people there, especially in the Ravens, who have
(17:51):
one of the best reputations in the NFL. No people
know somebody. The fact that this stuff gets public like this,
that's just a bad look like that's a bad bad the.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Fact that you did it, because it doesn't matter if
it gets public.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
The bottom line is that they make a buck, they
make book on you, and that's going to follow you.
Your reputation will follow you from whatever organization you leave,
and it comes down to the relationships that you have,
the credibility of of others.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
That have been around you who know you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
There are a few things that will precede you in
going to get another job in the National Football League.
Not to mention beyond the playing field. I tell my listen,
I tell guys all the time you you look at
it from the player's perspective when you're a player, because
that's what you're doing. But most of y'all not going
(18:48):
to make it. You're not going to make it to
a major Division one school. If you do, then you
make it there. You're not going to make it to
the next level. It's just the odds are against you
to make it. But with that being said, there are
so many opportunities, so many jobs that you could be
a part of that would keep you within the ecosystem
(19:12):
of the sport you grew up playing and you loved.
But you have to be humble enough, and you have
to be aware enough to always put your best foot forward,
be on time for a meeting.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
You know why.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Maybe that just might come up in a business interview,
a job interview that has absolutely zero to do with
you as a player. But what if it's the organization.
What if it's the school you went to. Oh, he
wasn't the greatest of players, or it didn't work out
well for him as a player, But you know what,
he was always on time. Dude, always was studious, took notes,
(19:44):
made sure he talked to his teammates, was a good teammate,
was a good guy in the locker.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, let's hire him. You could trust him. We can
trust him, Johnny, we can depend on him.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Hey, he's dependable, Joe, I'm just sacked.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
But it's true, though, he is. The point.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
The point is be always. My parents taught me a
very valuable lesson, a very very tremendously valuable lesson. Doing
what's required is not enough. Doing what you're supposed to
do is not enough. Always be building value, Always be
(20:26):
building value. You want to know why I don't miss
doing the radio. You want to know why I get
my ass up and I'm always here thirty minutes before
every single freaking day is because building the value beyond
what I'm required to do is always the first thing
that I'm thinking about. Af an ego, I'm gonna put
(20:50):
my best foot forward every single day. Oh you want to, well,
you have you know you guys have the option to
be off this day. Da da da? Who's in here?
Who's in here? We got seven days to work? We
do six? Who's in here? We don't have to do
the weekend show. We're on the we're on the weekday lineup.
We're on the lineup. But we still do it. Why
(21:16):
Because I'm always going to put more effort. I'm always
going to bring more value. I'm always going to be
focused in on being more than what's required of me.
Because if I'm just doing what's required of me, I'm replaceable.
If I do more than what's required of me, and
(21:36):
I built the value beyond what was required of me,
then now you got to take a look at the
people that you may want to replace me with, and
you got to be like, is that person going to
bring the more? Like this person right here? That what
LeVar is doing, and that makes it hard for an
employer to move on from an employee. And that's what
(21:56):
that's to me, that if that's what this discuss is about,
that man made it very easy for himself to be replaced.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Jerry Coleman, who covers the Ravens in Baltimore, good dude,
who has been doing it a long time there. He
just sent me a message that said Deontay Johnson's current
members in Baltimore are one catch and one suspension. So
at least we're off.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
In good math. It's just good man. So yeah, that's
that is the the story from Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
We'll see how it plays out after the bye week
and uh, you know, after his one mans, Two Pros
and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas NOx with you here. Coming up next
from the Tirack dot Com studios. Somebody threw out an
idea about a blockbuster move in the NFL, and when
you think about it, it makes a ton of sense
(22:52):
for one team involved.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
We'll get into that for you right here on FSR.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
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Speaker 3 (23:10):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up in
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Speaker 2 (23:22):
We are going to have another and.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
By the way, special edition of In Case you missed it.
Kind of move some things around here today. You know,
some things have been moved around with you. So we
will get you.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Got problems, bro You you like they're very real in
your life. Man like I do better help reads, Man Like,
we need to get you. We need to get you
involved with better help.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know you'd want to agree from there?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Who wouldn't. All right, So, oh my gosh, So yeah,
we got in case you missed it coming up here
in about fifteen minutes from now. This is an interesting thought,
all right, Just kind of that has been thrown out,
and I'll give a credit where credited. Well, I want
to take partial credit for this, Okay, So I kind
(24:11):
of threw this out to you guys, and you know speculated, Hey,
do you think we could be nearing the end of
the Kyle Shanahan era in San Francisco? Like, you know,
maybe we're at the point to where the windows closed.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
We're not really sure what the future holds.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Brock parties at a down year and a year when
he couldn't have a down year based on his wanting
a big time contract and a big time contract extension
and all that that came along with the sixty million
dollars a year, et cetera, et cetera. So I just thought,
you know, like, it feels like this has gone on
and maybe we're just at the point to where, hey,
we just go our separate ways. Well, Mike Florio throughout
(24:56):
this idea that what if the Bears throughout a potential
trade for Kyle Shanahan a lah John Gruden going from
the Raiders to the Bucks. We obviously know how that
turned out, but what if that was a move that
(25:16):
was made and the Bears realized, Hey, that's the you know,
a great option for us, and if we're going to
do this, let's do this right. And if we're going
to show people that we're going to do things differently now,
much like we did when we fired our coaching season
for the first time in the history of the organization,
maybe the Bears reach out to the Niners and at
(25:38):
least inquire about what it would take to bring Kyle
Shannan to Chicago.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
And it's a big swing and a miss.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
It's a big swings to his point, why not give
it a shot. It's at least offer it up. It's
a big swing and a miss.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Like that would be foolish to let Mike or excuse me,
Kyle Shanahan go. If you're San fran he's He's been
an amazing coach for this this team, So I would
I would say it's more on John Lynch to put
(26:16):
his best foot forward in this moment and figure out
how to take this what would considered be considered to
be maybe a spiraling team down from what they once were,
and he has to shore up the ship. He has
been lauded for being an amazing GM.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
He has been.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
He has been really really good at what he's done.
In these moments, you find out further what what a
what a GM like John Lynch, what his capabilities are
in the heat of adversity. This is adversity and what
(27:04):
are you going to do? Because ultimately, when I look
at this team, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say
their window is closed purely based off of what we
know right now. I'm not because it's too many injuries,
there's too many there's too many factors at play right
now that are outside the realm of control of Kyle
(27:29):
Shanahan as a coach for him to be trade bait
or to be fireable for what's going on in San
fran So, to me, this is a scenario where the
GM and his team have to be very diligent like
(27:50):
before now, before today, but the entire way, maybe even
in the off season, when you were figuring out where
you're going to give auth the contract, when you were
going to give Trent his contract, and whatever else you
were going to do. They had their work cut out
for them then, and they should have never stopped working
(28:13):
from the moments before then until now. You're always preparing
and planning for what you're going to do next in
the future while you're still presently having the success that
you're having. So then if something happens that's unexpected, like
this is the like to have Christian McCaffrey and Brandon
(28:36):
Au unavailable to you. And we all saw that Christian
McCaffrey's addition to that team took them to a whole
another level, like they went up soon as soon as
he got involved. Their teams started doing different things on
a higher level. The defense isn't playing as well, you
(28:59):
got to figure that out. The offense is struggling, and
we know why they're sputtering. What does that mean for
Brock perty I mentioned earlier if there was a trade
that I think would make sense, they were going to
do it is from what I can gather, they were
going to do it with Brady back when he was
leaving Tampa Bay. I mean, when he was leaving New
(29:21):
England to go to Tampa Bay, there was talks that
they might have been trying to bring him to the
forty nine ers. Why not entertain trying to bring Aaron
Rodgers to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Is that an upgrade over brock party, Yes, you think so, absolutely,
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
To day and tomorrow that's an upgrade. It's a Brock person, Dawn,
and I would say this, Is this a better team?
Is this a better team? When somebody goes down injured?
If you have Aaron Rodgers as you're quarterback there Now,
I'm just throwing that out there because all I'm saying is,
(30:03):
if I'm the GM of this team, I'm trying to
figure out what players I can bring in that can
actually transform our team or slow the bleed or stop
the bleeding and take us right back in the direction
that we were in their trajectory was really high. They
had become a very consistent team and what they're accomplishing,
(30:26):
and now you see them having a really, really, really
tough down year. I don't put that at the feet
of Kyle Shanahan in the sense that he should be
on the way out in any kind of way, not
as a trade, not as fired, none of those things.
(30:48):
I'm sticking with Kyle Shanahan. I got a major piece
in place, I'll figure the rest of it out.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
I mean, I agree with that. I think there's a
couple of reasons why this won't happen. Number one, because
I don't think John Lynch would ever want to lose
Kyle Shanahan with what he's done there and how successful
he's been.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
And number two because it's the Bears.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Like I just like the Bears would figure out a
way to screw this up, Like they would either you know,
not do it through the proper channels, or they would
you know, hire like you know, in trade for another
Kyle Shanahan who lives in the Bay Area that's not
the coach of the Niners. Like they would just figure
out a way to botch this whole thing. But when
(31:30):
Florio throws this idea out, and he threw out a
potential list of candidates, and he threw out Kyle Shanahan
as one of them. Reportedly, there was another coach quote unquote,
another coach with a team that reached out to Florio
and said, why isn't my name on that list? So
you know, there, it's not like this is foreign to
(31:53):
the league. It's been a long time since we've seen it.
I just think, why not at least kick the tires
on it and do your due diligence to see who's available,
because look, John Lynch does that all the time, whether
it's Tom Brady that you mentioned, whether it was you know,
the Aaron Rodgers stuff like, there's a lot of people.
The reason why the trade lance trade and move up
(32:15):
and them acquiring all that, the reason why that happened
is because reportedly they thought Rogers to the Niners was
a done deal, and then all of a sudden, Green
Bay backed out or whatever it was, and that pissed
off Rogers and that sort of led to what has
happened since then. And so then the Niners kind of
panicked a little bit and then traded away three first
(32:37):
round picks to move up to get Trey Lance, and
reportedly that was Shanahan who was skeptical about Lance, and
it was John Lynch who wanted him. So I'm not
saying that there's still resentment there because it's worked out
with Brock Purdy. But Kyle Shanahan from the get go
was telling everybody Brock Perty's the best quarterback here. Like
he was telling people that guy's going to be the guy.
(33:00):
And so I just to me, if you are a
team like the Bears, you should do your due diligence
and kick the tires on every possibility out there. And
if it means calling the Niners and knowing you're probably
gonna get to know, why is it hurt to ask?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Like you know, just throw it doesn't hurt. It does
hurt to ask.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
It does because if it gets out there, if it
gets out there, then that's I would assume a fractured
relationship between you and the organization and the trust factor
that we were talking about just minutes ago on Deontay
Johnson as a player and as a professional would be
in question if the story were to come back that
(33:41):
he was being selfish and he was just upset and
didn't want to go in the game. I mean, relationships
are everything. So if if that's what Sam fran is
going to do, if that's what what what John Lynch
is going to do as a decision maker, you just
got to know you've lost the trust, You've lost the
(34:03):
you've probably compromised in a very serious way, the relationship
dynamic that you have because you've now told me you
know you're okay with me going I mean with the.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Look.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I mean, it would probably would probably cost a first
round pick. The Bears are going to be picking, probably
potentially in the top ten. I'm just saying, you know,
if you're the Niners, all of a sudden, it's a
down year, you're picking high up in the draft, and
now you've got a top ten pick to go along
with it.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
In the first round, you bring in Mike Rabol or
somebody to that effect.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
And then as your coach or all of a sudden,
you package to top ten picks, you traded away to Jacksonville,
who's not in the market for a quarterback, and should
or Sanders is sitting there.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
At one like, it's not the It's not the craziest
thought in the world. There there at least is.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
You know Shador Sanders is going to go higher in
the draft then as Daddy.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Then Yo, Daddy, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
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Speaker 4 (35:14):
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Speaker 4 (36:11):
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Speaker 5 (36:30):
Lap Good morning. Everybody feels weird saying good morning in
the second hour, Good morning everybody, Good morning, Jonas, Good morning, LeVar.
I think you know people get grossed out. It's only
people who can't do it, like tickle the.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Educa for the people that weren't scratched, which is everybody listening.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Can you explain what it is you're talking about?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You ever have a tickle in the back of your
throat and some people can do it, some people can't.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
Where you can scratch it by doing starting not scratching
your throat is can you do it? Yes, I can
do it. That's how I know what it is. You can't.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's like when you're doing the the the action of
trying to get the snot so that it's not it's
not it's the before hawking lee. When you do what
you're doing, it's like, I can't get it.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
When you're when you're getting to travel down.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
You're trying to get it to break up, to pull
it so that you can turn it into a hawker.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
But you're pressing, you're.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Pressing the button.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You're pressing the elevator button in your throat to make
the stuff down, And that's how you do it. Yes, right,
So why did you so why did you just start
doing that?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I just have it.
Speaker 5 (37:51):
Uh No, I had a tickle in the back of
my throat, so scratching it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
No, no, no, dog, it's my pig noise. That's this look.
Look he's doing this.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
It's like, no, that's not what yesterday. No, you have
your mouth open. You can't do it with your mouth open.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
It's the same difference, bro, you're not you're trying to
break that ass up and turn it into where you
can either.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
See what you're saying. I do this when I have
a dry throat. It has nothing to do with mucus.
It's disgusting. I don't believe you and it's disgusting. LeVar
said it sounded like a plunger during the break. That
was really really a hot thing to point out.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
It's like when you're when your ears are bothering you
even yes, yes, mw kids, bro, gosh it is it is.
It's like, that's the only time I can do it.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
It's all connected. You're trying to pull it, you're trying
to get it. Yes, it is. What do you think
an e n t is your nose and throat.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yes, it's all connected. Oh my throat, My throat is,
bro it's mucus. It's like it's like it's messing with
your throat.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
You do it again, home time. Disgusting.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
It's not it's not a hawk Like I didn't say
it was a hawk.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
That's like that's like somebody brought a taser into a pettings.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
The hawk comes out.
Speaker 5 (39:15):
He look at the pigs, which, by the way, I
haven't been able to find uh al El's.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I think Al's gone. The ol paca.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, they got the goats out there, but I haven't
seen all in a while.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
He probably walked into traffic. He could hawk a good one,
I'm sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
By the way, if you saw al paca in the
road and you're going forty.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Five, you put on the brake for an ol paka.
Yeah no, I'm not let me know that right now.
I gotta I gotta go ahead and take that ale. Yeah,
later for you, later for you. Sorry, brother Al twenty two. Yeah,
I don't know what. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I gotta tell you if it was anything that was
out there, it could it could have been a random
you know, it could be a random person walking out there.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
I mean, I'm just saying, if you if youre in
the way, you in the way. That's all I'm saying.
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