June 3, 2025 • 39 mins
Shedeur Sanders has an opportunity to be the biggest star in the NFL by overcoming his slide in the Draft. Russell Wilson makes a strange claim about his locker with the Giants. Plus, a conspiracy theory about Kyle Pitts status with the Falcons.
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On this three hour extravaganza here on a Tuesday morning,
we opened up the show talking about the latest on
Stefan Diggs. Reportedly, according to Ian Report, the expectation is
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they will not release Devon Diggs, which would make some sense.
He was at OTA's wave to reporters there. Nice to
see you guys up here. Do not have any sort
of a pink substance with him in possession of him,
while at OTA's Frank Ragnow has decided to call it
a career. For the Detroit Lions, that's another loss for them,
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and everybody's kind of monitoring and tracking what is happening
in Cleveland. A very fascinating storyline where the Cleveland Browns
have decided, you know what, why just focus on one
quarterback when we can just have a bunch that all
do different things and all have different storylines. Joe Flacco
is in his forties, trying to give it another go
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here after winning a Super Bowl a few years back.
Kenny Pickett's trying to revitalize his career because things didn't
go well in Pittsburgh, but he did get a Super
Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. You've got Dylan Gabriel there,
who was drafted in the third round. You've got shad
Or Sanders who was drafted in the fifth. Meanwhile, off
in the distance is Deshaun Watson, Uh, you know, rehabbing
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or making another TikTok video, which I believe, by the way,
is he did they get married? Is that is that happening?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Look like they got engaged, and so it looks like, well, hey,
you know, there you go listen, we listen.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
We've all, uh, we've all had to overcome something and
so it's good to see that he overcame whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Go and touch it, not going touch No, don't worry,
they already did so.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Not married yet, nope, just just engaged as of right now. Well,
good for them, that's good for the for the happy
couple there, and hope everything works out for him. But
while everyone's focused on the future. In the quarterback room
with the Cleveland Browns, Dion Sanders did take time to
talk about his and Shador Sanders and sort of the
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conversation and narrative that was surrounding him going into the draft,
and he was on the Say What needs to be
Said to podcast and he spoke about the perception and
what it did for not only Shador but also Shiloh
as well.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The Bible says God uses the foolish things to confound
the wise. So it was some foolish stuff that went on,
but you know what, that that gave them something that
they needed, Like this gave them something that they said,
all right, you know that, like that, like that edge
that Tom had, like that edge that gave them that
edge that you had. It gave them the edge that
I had, you know, say we're gonna be that we
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were gonna be. We had to prove that. That gave
them the edge that they needed. When you sit up
there and and say something like he went in a meeting,
I'm prepared, like dude Shadoor Sandas, who's had six different coordinators,
who has still function and went up, leveled up every
time we brought somebody new in. And you're gonna tell.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Me every situation.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone? Should or
anybody know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like
he's gonna go on to meet with headphones.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
On, like YO, come home.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So that was Dion Sanders defending his son and some
of the various reports that were out there following uh
the draft slide that took place. And I mean, look,
he does. I was waiting for him to be more
vocal about defending his son because I think I actually
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expected him to talk more openly about it. But I
think he's just sort of taken. I'm gonna take a
step back. It's my son's career. Maybe I don't want
to interject too much, but I'm calling it right now.
If shaud Or Sanders has the type of success that
they believed that he could have, and apparently the reviews
out of OTAs have been very, very good for shaud
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Or Sanders now he's performed. If he ends up getting
that starting job and ends up playing well, Dion Sanders
is going to have something for everybody, like he's going
to have something for everybody who questioned his son's commitment,
his preparation, his ability, so on and so forth. Based
on all of that, I think he's just letting it marinate,
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letting it all sit there, and he's going to have
something for all the naysayers and the haters out there
of Shador Sanders going and going through the draft process.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
All right. What Dion said is what a parent would
say about their their child, because a parent knows their
child better than anybody else does, so I think he
was speaking from a parent perspective in that SoundBite, not
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from a coach's perspective. Is what I would offer to
that as it applies to where Shador is now and
what that situation looks like. Again, I'm going to continue
to maintain what I've maintained, and not reports, not reviews,
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or anything else is going to change how I see this.
It is an uphill battle for Shador Sanders, and for
what it's worth, it's it's not like like just thinking
sensibly of it and practically about it. If a kid
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gets drafted in the fifth round of the draft and
that very team took a player earlier in the draft
in the third round at the same position, it is
going to be a very very hard task for anyone.
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Take that. Remove the name, remove the name, remove the
reasonings why, like you want to say, the reason why
he went in this round is because of X, Y
and Z. Remove all of those things and just look
at look at this from a face value perspective. You
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have a quarterback that's worth over two hundred and thirty
million dollars that isn't even going to be ready to play.
You bring in two vets ahead of the draft. One
of those vets played very well for the Cleveland Browns.
A year removed from that, played well in his spot
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duties where he was at last year in Indy, gets
called to come back and to compete for the job,
and made it very clear he's going to compete for
the job in his interview he's not interested in being
a role model. Canny Pickett is like, he's the one
that's the one element, that's the one piece of this
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puzzle that is the most undefined piece as it applies
to why would you bring him? Because he wasn't successful?
As he was not successful as a starter in Pittsburgh,
he took on the role of being a backup, gets
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a Super Bowl in Philly. But what does that lead to,
Like does his time in the league equate to him
being prepared to now be a starter in Cleveland? I
don't think so. So you're probably looking at Kenny Pickett
as being a backup. That's what you're probably looking at
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and projecting Kenny Pickett to be. I do not think
you're projecting him to be a starter for your team.
So you bring in Joe Flacco to compete to be
the starter, who is he competing to be the starter with?
Are we are we basically saying there are going to
be enough reps, which we've this conversation has already been
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had plenty of times. There's going to be enough reps
between four players to be able to find your way
to the starting position from the last position drafted. Now,
I will say this is daunting a task as it
is for a fifth round draft pick that has a
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third round draft pick in the same exact draft class
with two vets. This could be And this is where
what when you bring up Dion and how you say
he'll have something for everybody if if Shador Sanders pulls
through and is able to somehow defy the odds, Because
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this is one hund a defying of the odds situation
for Shador Sanders, whether people want to admit that or not,
that's the truth. The faith element of this, you know,
it's like the spiritual element of this. It's such a
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major part of Dion Sanders' life. It's such a major
part of Shador and the Sanders families' lives. It's a
major part they're god fearing people. Well, it's one of
those moments. Is the one that was last going to
end up being the one that's first? You know, It's
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like Bob Marley had a song and one of the
lyrics in the song was, but the stone that the
builder refused shall be the head corner stone. Right. So basically,
Shador Sanders, in the situation that he is he is in,
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finds himself with an interesting opportunity because if he were
to become the starter, that is probably the biggest story
in all of the National Football League when it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And wouldn't you say that if that's the case and
he ends up being as good as Dion thinks he's
going to be, and he ends up giving Don the
opportunity to shout and talk about you guys were wrong,
so on, it doesn't that call into question the draft
process and evaluation process of everybody else who did pass
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on him, because if the idea was well, we passed
on him not because of maybe skill set, but more
how he acted in meetings and how he came across
I could understand that to a point. But five rounds, there's.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Going to be a lot of people m out. Mel
Kiper is going to come out thumping. There's going to
be a lot of people that come out and have
something to say if it plays out where Shador Sanders
ends up being a superstar, and you know, in Cleveland,
I would just ask the question, Lee, look it up.
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How many fifth round draft pick quarterbacks end up starting
their rookie year.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I can think of one off the top of my head.
Kyle Orton due to injury. I mean that was that
was due to injury and he had to play. I'm
pretty sure he was a fifth round pick if I'm
not mistaken, But that was, you know, that was I
don't know that. It's not like he won the job.
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That was due to injury he had, he had an
opportunity to play and go on there, and and the
second that Rex Grossman was back, they made the move
to go to Grossman, so that I didn't even think
that this was a him just winning the job outright.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But other than that, it's I can't I can't think of.
According to ESPN's mal kiper Junior, none of the qbs
picked in the fifth round have become regular starters over
the last thirty years. I just don't. Again, I hate
to be the one that kind of injects some just
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logic to the scenario, but it's a daunting task, man,
and it's a task that won't It just doesn't seem
like that'll work out.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Correction, Kyler was taken to the fourth round, fourth round,
not the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And for what it's worth, how did his career go?
Was it not bad?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well? How long did he make it in? How long
was he a starter for? I remember him being pretty
good out of Purdue. It was a really good quarterback
at produe, like really good.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He ended up playing nine years.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's not bad. How many did he start?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He had eighty two starts in nine years, forty two
and forty record, one hundred and one touchdown, sixty nine picks.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, I just hate the round pick. I
hate to be the bearer of bad news fifth round
draft picks. It's just it's especially again, especially with a
third round draft pick in the mix, it's not enough. Like,
how can you sit here and people say, we're going
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to justify downgrading and downplaying the fact that Dylan Gabriel
is the third round draft pick for this team. Okay,
it's like Dylan Gabriel is a non factor in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
All right, So let me ask you this. If we're
talking about quarterbacks drafted by a team in the same
draft at different points in the draft. You were in
Washington when they took RG three and then took Kirk
Cousins later in the draft. Yeah, what was the conversation.
Like I remember at the time when they did that, thinking, well,
that's interesting that that seems a little uh, it seems
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kind of interesting that that's how that would play out.
This is third and fifth, so it's a little different.
But that was also a situation in a scenario where
I don't know if anybody got the feeling going into
it that maybe Kirk Cousins had a real shot or
if this was just a best player available.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But that was a debate day one, and it was
a debate day one because of all of this dysfunction
that was taking place in Washington. And that was one
of those deals where it was like one of the
picks was Shanahan's and one of the picks was was
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Dan Snyder's. And from what I heard, it was a
matter of he was an insurance policy two RG three.
I don't remember it off the top of my head,
but I feel like I feel like it was Kirk
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Cousins was the insurance policy based off of if RG
three was going to be able to do it at
the pro level, like that that was how how I
got it, like somebody somebody didn't want to take RG three.
I just don't remember off the top of my head.
I don't want to mess it up, but I would
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assume I would assume that kirk Cousins would have been
the one that the Shanahan's wonted. I would have assumed.
I would assume that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
What's that supposed to mean?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, I think people felt like some people felt like
Kirk Cousins came in with more of a skill set
that would fit what the Shanahan's offense what it was,
while while RG three was more of a you know,
more of a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I do wonder on that point, because listen, we don't
know who's going to be the quarterback, I mean worse.
You know, we can kind of speculate. I think it's
going to be Flacco. We don't know who the starter
is going to be. We know Deshaun Watson still got
more time left on his deal. Whatever the hell happens there. Like,
the one thing that we do know is if the
Browns are bad again this year, Kevin Stefanski's probably gone,
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like this is probably it. And I just wonder Stefanski,
which is why I believe he's going to ultimately go
with Joe Flacco as a starter, because he looks at
this and goes, man, if I have another bad year,
I'm out, yes, And I got to save my job,
and I just wonder how he felt about the decision
to take another quarterback with my fifth round pick after
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we just took one in the third whether he looks
at that and goes, look, I need all the help
I can get. We can only start one quarterback. What
are we doing? Like, what's the plan here? Because look
you you saw the faces in the room and they made.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The decision no real real emotion, so.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know, I mean, maybe this, maybe this is another
example of Jimmy Haslm getting involved and being like, well,
I like the storyline, much like maybe Dan Snyder got
involved in wanting to take RG three.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When he did.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, they're just it's still is a strange move
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Was a huge success though, Yeah, and they had and
they had great success with him. He was the Rookie
of the year. RG three just got hit by a
sledgehammer and uh a steam engine by the name of
Hello Di Nada and and Dangaire knocked his leg off
of his body. I've seen it with my own two eyes.
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It was an injury. It was an injury that that
allowed for as you mentioned with Kyle Orton, it was
an injury that allowed for for Kirk Cousins to get
the opportunity to even play. It wasn't in the cards.
It wasn't. It wasn't set up for Kirk Cousins to
be a starter. He was going to be a backup
until he probably left in free agency and went somewhere
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else after he was done in Washington. It just happened
to be, you know, RG three injured his knee and
couldn't stay healthy after that. Like literally, he could not
stay healthy after he injured his knee in that in
that playoff game. So it was it was an opportunistic
moment for Kirk Cousins. Does that opportunity come forward for
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Shador Sanders? It's it's to me if it plays out
where again, like Q isn't here to say it, but
we've said it enough. If one of these guys doesn't
get the starting job, are they really going to actually
ask to be released to go somewhere else? Like to me,
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I don't see how that makes sense. If I'm Kenny Pickett,
if I'm on this roster and I'm set to be
a backup on this roster to an old ass Joe Flacco, am,
why would I ask for Why would I ask for
a release to go somewhere else like, And what's the
guarantee that you're gonna get picked up by another team
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that's gonna put you in a situation that could be
as advantageous as the one you're in right now? How
has that happened? So, if I'm Kenny Pickett, I'm not
asking for a release. I'm gonna I'm gonna play my
role as the backup until I get an opportunity. There's
two ways I can get on this field right now.
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One Joe Flacco doesn't hold up. Two Joe Flacco doesn't
play well. That's how I can get on the field.
So I'm gonna just buy my time. But as it
applies to the two rookies, I'm just I cannot I
cannot rest logic on the idea that a fifth rounder
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is going to outperform and play and get enough time
and enough reps to outperform the third rounder. The third
rounder is going to be given the reps, the backup
is going to be given the reps, and the starter
is going to get the lion's share of the reps.
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So I don't see how the odd man out is
the fifth round pick. They're going to have to play
him because he's the oh he's he's the door Sanders,
and the situation is what it is, but it's it's
got to be considered a long shot for him to
be able to make this meteoric rise up the depth
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chart to being the starting quarterback in Cleveland like that,
to me, it's a pipe dream if I'm being totally honest.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And if you just take a step back and look
at it, it all goes back to ground zero, which
is everybody's been put in a tough spot. So Kevin
Stefanski's been putting a tough spot, Joe Flacco has been
putt in a tough spot, Kenny Pickett's been putt in
a tough spot. Shardoor Sanders and Dylan Gabriel have been
putting a tough spot. And they've all been putt in
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a tough spot because Deshaun Watson put everybody in a
tough spot. And it was Jimmy Haslam who put everybody
involved in the tough spot by making the move to
bring in to Shaun Watson and it failing completely from
the get go, like it just so now they're just
sort of scrambling to try and figure out what direction
to go and they've got a bunch of the same
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thing all in the room, and everyone's looking around going,
uh okay, I guess this is how we're doing it.
It's just it's bizarre, man.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Really, If all this and that and the way things
have been handled leads to Shador Sanders starting as the
starar and quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, at face value,
it will be the biggest story in all of the NFL.
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And good luck to him. Like it's a great situation
in the sense that if you're a fifth rounder, this
would be the situation I would want to be in.
Like you got an old man, you got a backup, unproven,
and he Shador probably feels like he's a better ballplayer
than Dylan Gabriel. So but Dylan Gabriel is a baller
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and maybe he's undersize, but the dude's a baller. He
won the Big Ten, made it to the college playoffs,
Like was a successful quarterback in college. Like let's not
downplay Dylan Gabriel for the sake of, you know, trying
to hype up you know, Shador Sanders, Like, let's see
who wins the job.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up about
fifteen minutes from now. It's conspiracy theory time on the show,
and it's involving somebody in the NFL that will be
yours here on FSR. So we've been talking about quarterback
situations like the Cleveland Browns, which are a little bit
up in the air for everybody involved. One that may
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not be up in the air is the situation with
the Giants. It's still a very interesting quarterback room based
on what we've seen from a.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Very interesting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I mean, you got a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Then that's the light right, and.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You got got a little bit of everything. You got
Russell Wilson, You've got Jamis Winston who's always fun. You've
got Jackson Dart who was drafted there. You've got Tommy DeVito,
little Paison passion there still uh, you know, Tommy Cutlet.
Tommy Cutlets still going in New York with the Giants,
so for long, so he could be the odd man
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Tobby Cutlet, all right, so cut and let go. Russell Wilson,
the uh presumed starter for the New York Giants, was
on the seven PM in Brooklyn podcast with Carmelo Anthony
and he listed various reasons as to why he liked
the Giants and the fit with the Giants. He talked
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about the abilities of one Milik neighbors and also detailed.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Some other stuff here with daves Man, I'm excited because
of you know, his his offensive wizardry is really special,
you know, and so him.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And Kafka, guy who played quarterback in the league, and
just the rest of the staff too.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Man. It's just people that I know and people that
I believe in, and I'm excited about the opportunity to
playing this great organization. You know, I don't mind the lights,
you know what I mean, I don't mind the I
don't mind that part of it. I think the other
part of for me. But most importantly though all of
all that is I've been here before. You know, when
you walk into a stadium into a locker room, and
you know, like, my locker is the same locker I
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had when I won the Super Bowl. And so for me,
when I see that, I'm like, when I walk into
that stadium, I'm like, I've been here before, like not
just been here, but like like we did this before,
and so I fundally believe it's possible again in terms
of just being successful again and being at the highest level.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
All right, So just confused? What is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, because the super Bowl they won was at MetLife Okay,
So so they gave him the exact same locker that they
gave him when he played in the Super Bowl, I guess.
I mean, I don't know how that works. I mean
where they considered the can you look this up where
the Seahawks considered the home team in that Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
They would have had to have been because if they
used their home because I didn't realize they used their
home locker rooms. But I guess that would make sense
because that's that's uh. I don't know because when I
played and they have a new facility, but when I
played in New York, our practice facility was connected to
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you know where what what was the meadowlands? It was connected.
This is I'm just confused because to me, you have
multiple locker rooms. You have the game day locker room
and then you have your practice locker room in most cases,
but New York had the same locker room when I
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was there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I confus I think I think he confused you because
Russell Wilson might have been caught in a little bit
of a lie lee. Who is the home team in
that Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
That would have been the Denver Broncos who were rocking
the orange jerseys while the Seahawks were in their alternate
white jerseys.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
So how would the how would the Seahawks they got
the home locker room? Cause what because they each day
like they determined a home and away team for each
Super Bowl even though it's a neutral. So how would
Russell Wilson get the same locker if he's playing at
home now when he was a visitor in the Super Bowl?
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Good question?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Well, it is it is MetLife, right, So, I mean
they do kind of have two home style locker rooms,
is that right?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Because of the he's a player on the team. Now
he's on the Giants, so he's in the Giants locker room.
So is he in the same exact locker room he
was He's basically he's saying he's in the same exact
locker room and locker that he was in when he
played for the Seattle Seahawks, which, by the way, even
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giving that reasoning is still weird as hell because you
were on a different team. It's not like I've been
here before. I've been here before, Like bruh, you was
on a different team.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well, I think, just so we're keeping score here on
the reasons why Russell Wilson liked the Giants as his
preferred team here, right, So Malik Neighbor's ability, Brian dave
Balls the head coach, and familiarity with the building because.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He won a Super Bowl there. There's also he's in
the same exact lockers yea. By his account.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
There's also a fourth the fact that the Steelers didn't
want him. That's also reason why he's with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh man, I mean I mean that's there, like that
is that is a part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Because and here's the problem. You don't know what to
believe with the Russell Wilson stuff because like apparently he
wanted to stay in Pittsburgh. That was his preferred choice
was to stay in Pittsburgh. He liked Pittsburgh. But it
was really Arthur Smith and the Steelers who were like,
we're good here, like this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Is and they don't even have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No, like like they basically they did it. They rolled
the dice on potentially Aaron Rodgers as opposed to the
guy who did want to stay there, which was Russell Wilson.
So like you know, like all these reasons for well
this is why you know I wanted this team and
I wanted to be here. Well no, like, like what
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else was there? Really?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Dave Ball is on the hot seat as well. We're
talking about coaches on the hot seat. When we just
talked about Stefanski and we talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers day,
Ball is on the hot seat too. A lot of
people were surprised he made it through this year. So
(30:59):
you bring in Dark, it looks like they're high on
Jackson Dart so it looks like whoever is going to
be the starter, it's like you're there for a time
and you don't get much time into Big Apple, so
you got Jamis. It's most certainly most likely going to
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be Russell Wilson, which, by the way, I would not
be surprised if Jameis Winston beat Russell Wilson out before
the season started. I wouldn't be surprised. But Jackson Dart
is going to be the guy for this team. I mean,
the way they're positioning him media wise, the coverage of him,
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you can clearly see that the commitment is going to
be invested in getting Jackson Dart prepared. So, for what
it's worth, if I'm giving an honest assessment and opinion
of it all, I think that whoever's starting is a
placeholder until Dark is up and ready to go and
they're confident and him going in as the starter. It's
(32:07):
just it's just a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I did a little bit more digging on this Russell
Wilson locker situation to find out whether or not he
was spinning yarns Lee, Do you have any war on
this because I'm seeing that he apparently they're claiming it
is the same locker that he has.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Now, well, you know it is met Life. So the
Jets and Giants both have home lockers, their locker rooms.
There's actually four total locker rooms at MetLife.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
That's what I'm saying. Why would you put them in
the team's lockers. Why would unless that's their game day
locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, it'd be sweet if they also gave Justin
Fields the same locker as Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And he didn't know. They just said the Jets were like, yeah,
we'll give him the same locker too. Well, it can't
be the Jets. Can't the Jets had their own locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Apparently he's saying he was in the Giants' locker room.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
I listen the whole well for the Super Well, he
might have been in the Giants while the while the
brothers in the Jets.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Might have been in the Jets. Yeah, I get it,
I mean I get it. I just when I played
for the Giants, our lockers were our lockers, meaning that
we didn't have a game day locker room and during
the week practice locker room. Does that make sense to y'all? Like,
does that? Like you have a practice facility and a
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weight room facility. Like some people or some teams, they
have two different locker rooms. You had the game day
locker room that's in the stadium, and then you have
the facility where you train him, you practice and all that.
So okay, so we're clear. So what I'm saying is
is the New York Giants did not have two locker
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rooms when I was there. They had one. And I
can't see how they would have had anybody go into
that locker room because that's where all everybody's stuff is.
So I don't know that that just seems strange. And
I mean maybe they cleared it out for the Super Bowl.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'll be honestly, there's a lot of stuff that he
says seems strange.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm mad that that's the most interesting part of the
conversation about That's what's really upsetting. What's really upsetting he
is that and and you know what, it is the
most interesting part of the conversation. But at this point
I think we know what we're getting.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, just you know, like this is probably it. If
it doesn't work here for for us, then I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Know, I mean, he's good it's worked. Oh yeah, it's
it's all work. He's good. By the way, you'd be
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The future is in question for a Hall of Famer
in the world of sports. We'll get into that for
you here on FSR. So uh, Kyle Pitts, the tight
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end for the Atlanta Falcons, is dealing with a little
bit of an issue and Raheem Morris, Raheem Morris. He
actually spoke about Kyle Pitts and not being available dealing
with some sort of an undisclosed injury yesterday at OTAs.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Extremely cautious with Kyle right now and what's got going on. Obviously,
you know, talk about injuries this time of year, but
definitely being cautious with them so you won't see him.
He's been here, he's done such a great job of
all stuff that we've asked him. He's been in every
single meeting, He's been in every single thing that we've
done other than the field, and he's been absolutely outstanding
to be around.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, it's interesting all of a sudden, an undisclosed injury
for Kyle Pitts, and then you look around and you go, gosh,
sure are a lot of trade rumors involving Kyle Pitts
around the league. A guy who was drafted very high
but just hasn't quite lived up, even though he's shown
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flashes to his potential there in Atlanta. And I just wonder,
is this undisclosed injury that he's dealing with code for Well,
we just don't want to get him hurt before we
end up trading the guy and we're having conversations with people.
Maybe he's got the Maybe this is the hyper extended
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trade bait.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Injury that's going on here.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Maybe that's what it is, because I don't buy for
one second that Kyle Pitts has got some sort of
an undisclosed injury. I think the Atlanta Falcons are trying
to make a deal and they're just keeping him out
of harm's way so they can execute this deal sooner.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Rather than later. What do you think of that? Bar Uh,
it's not a horrible it's not a horrible theory.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Can I get a little bit of an endorsement?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's not a horrible theory. I'll say this full awareness.
His contract does run out this year, and I think
that it's a matter of getting a contract extension done
at the least an extension or a new contract deal
done before you start putting him out there. I think
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it might be as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So you think it's more of an extension and not
it's a negotiation.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I mean, he's speaking very highly of him, and listen,
Rahiem is a player's coach. To players love him. He's
a relatable dude. So he's not going to say anything
crazy about Kyle Pitts unless it was really necessary. So
it could be a smoke screen to be able to
keep his value high and maybe see that a trade
suitor would would jump at it. I mean, there's certainly
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people that could use him, there's teams that could use
use his services. But I think that he would be
one hundred percent valued as an Atlanta Falcon. And you know,
he doesn't have a contract beyond this year. His contract
runs out, so you think he's going to get a deal.
I think he's going to get a deal. His stick
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sticks bam.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think he's going to get traded.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I mean they picked line, they picked up his they
picked up his fifth year option in twenty four in April,
they picked up his fifth year option. So I just
you know, I think he's going to he wants a deal.
I think he'll read a deal. I think that that's
what they're waiting on it. They'll have a deal done.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
By the way, one of the great fantasy football teases
of all time is Kyle Pitts. You just assume he's
going to put up monster numbers, and for some reason
it has not worked out. It is just not panned out.
The way everybody thought it was, so we'll keep you posted.
But those are our picks, calling our shot and Kyle
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On this three hour extravaganza here on a Tuesday morning,
we opened up the show talking about the latest on
Stefan Diggs. Reportedly, according to Ian Report, the expectation is
(01:01):
they will not release Devon Diggs, which would make some sense.
He was at OTA's wave to reporters there. Nice to
see you guys up here. Do not have any sort
of a pink substance with him in possession of him,
while at OTA's Frank Ragnow has decided to call it
a career. For the Detroit Lions, that's another loss for them,
(01:21):
and everybody's kind of monitoring and tracking what is happening
in Cleveland. A very fascinating storyline where the Cleveland Browns
have decided, you know what, why just focus on one
quarterback when we can just have a bunch that all
do different things and all have different storylines. Joe Flacco
is in his forties, trying to give it another go
(01:45):
here after winning a Super Bowl a few years back.
Kenny Pickett's trying to revitalize his career because things didn't
go well in Pittsburgh, but he did get a Super
Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. You've got Dylan Gabriel there,
who was drafted in the third round. You've got shad
Or Sanders who was drafted in the fifth. Meanwhile, off
in the distance is Deshaun Watson, Uh, you know, rehabbing
(02:09):
or making another TikTok video, which I believe, by the way,
is he did they get married? Is that is that happening?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Look like they got engaged, and so it looks like, well, hey,
you know, there you go listen, we listen.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
We've all, uh, we've all had to overcome something and
so it's good to see that he overcame whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Go and touch it, not going touch No, don't worry,
they already did so.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Not married yet, nope, just just engaged as of right now. Well,
good for them, that's good for the for the happy
couple there, and hope everything works out for him. But
while everyone's focused on the future. In the quarterback room
with the Cleveland Browns, Dion Sanders did take time to
talk about his and Shador Sanders and sort of the
(03:02):
conversation and narrative that was surrounding him going into the draft,
and he was on the Say What needs to be
Said to podcast and he spoke about the perception and
what it did for not only Shador but also Shiloh
as well.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
The Bible says God uses the foolish things to confound
the wise. So it was some foolish stuff that went on,
but you know what, that that gave them something that
they needed, Like this gave them something that they said,
all right, you know that, like that, like that edge
that Tom had, like that edge that gave them that
edge that you had. It gave them the edge that
I had, you know, say we're gonna be that we
(03:43):
were gonna be. We had to prove that. That gave
them the edge that they needed. When you sit up
there and and say something like he went in a meeting,
I'm prepared, like dude Shadoor Sandas, who's had six different coordinators,
who has still function and went up, leveled up every
time we brought somebody new in. And you're gonna tell.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Me every situation.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You're gonna tell me he had on headphone? Should or
anybody know my son. I understand he's a professional, Like
he's gonna go on to meet with headphones.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
On, like YO, come home.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So that was Dion Sanders defending his son and some
of the various reports that were out there following uh
the draft slide that took place. And I mean, look,
he does. I was waiting for him to be more
vocal about defending his son because I think I actually
(04:34):
expected him to talk more openly about it. But I
think he's just sort of taken. I'm gonna take a
step back. It's my son's career. Maybe I don't want
to interject too much, but I'm calling it right now.
If shaud Or Sanders has the type of success that
they believed that he could have, and apparently the reviews
out of OTAs have been very, very good for shaud
(04:57):
Or Sanders now he's performed. If he ends up getting
that starting job and ends up playing well, Dion Sanders
is going to have something for everybody, like he's going
to have something for everybody who questioned his son's commitment,
his preparation, his ability, so on and so forth. Based
on all of that, I think he's just letting it marinate,
(05:20):
letting it all sit there, and he's going to have
something for all the naysayers and the haters out there
of Shador Sanders going and going through the draft process.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
All right. What Dion said is what a parent would
say about their their child, because a parent knows their
child better than anybody else does, so I think he
was speaking from a parent perspective in that SoundBite, not
(05:50):
from a coach's perspective. Is what I would offer to
that as it applies to where Shador is now and
what that situation looks like. Again, I'm going to continue
to maintain what I've maintained, and not reports, not reviews,
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or anything else is going to change how I see this.
It is an uphill battle for Shador Sanders, and for
what it's worth, it's it's not like like just thinking
sensibly of it and practically about it. If a kid
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gets drafted in the fifth round of the draft and
that very team took a player earlier in the draft
in the third round at the same position, it is
going to be a very very hard task for anyone.
(06:56):
Take that. Remove the name, remove the name, remove the
reasonings why, like you want to say, the reason why
he went in this round is because of X, Y
and Z. Remove all of those things and just look
at look at this from a face value perspective. You
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have a quarterback that's worth over two hundred and thirty
million dollars that isn't even going to be ready to play.
You bring in two vets ahead of the draft. One
of those vets played very well for the Cleveland Browns.
A year removed from that, played well in his spot
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duties where he was at last year in Indy, gets
called to come back and to compete for the job,
and made it very clear he's going to compete for
the job in his interview he's not interested in being
a role model. Canny Pickett is like, he's the one
that's the one element, that's the one piece of this
(08:06):
puzzle that is the most undefined piece as it applies
to why would you bring him? Because he wasn't successful?
As he was not successful as a starter in Pittsburgh,
he took on the role of being a backup, gets
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a Super Bowl in Philly. But what does that lead to,
Like does his time in the league equate to him
being prepared to now be a starter in Cleveland? I
don't think so. So you're probably looking at Kenny Pickett
as being a backup. That's what you're probably looking at
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and projecting Kenny Pickett to be. I do not think
you're projecting him to be a starter for your team.
So you bring in Joe Flacco to compete to be
the starter, who is he competing to be the starter with?
Are we are we basically saying there are going to
be enough reps, which we've this conversation has already been
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had plenty of times. There's going to be enough reps
between four players to be able to find your way
to the starting position from the last position drafted. Now,
I will say this is daunting a task as it
is for a fifth round draft pick that has a
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third round draft pick in the same exact draft class
with two vets. This could be And this is where
what when you bring up Dion and how you say
he'll have something for everybody if if Shador Sanders pulls
through and is able to somehow defy the odds, Because
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this is one hund a defying of the odds situation
for Shador Sanders, whether people want to admit that or not,
that's the truth. The faith element of this, you know,
it's like the spiritual element of this. It's such a
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major part of Dion Sanders' life. It's such a major
part of Shador and the Sanders families' lives. It's a
major part they're god fearing people. Well, it's one of
those moments. Is the one that was last going to
end up being the one that's first? You know, It's
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like Bob Marley had a song and one of the
lyrics in the song was, but the stone that the
builder refused shall be the head corner stone. Right. So basically,
Shador Sanders, in the situation that he is he is in,
(11:00):
finds himself with an interesting opportunity because if he were
to become the starter, that is probably the biggest story
in all of the National Football League when it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And wouldn't you say that if that's the case and
he ends up being as good as Dion thinks he's
going to be, and he ends up giving Don the
opportunity to shout and talk about you guys were wrong,
so on, it doesn't that call into question the draft
process and evaluation process of everybody else who did pass
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on him, because if the idea was well, we passed
on him not because of maybe skill set, but more
how he acted in meetings and how he came across
I could understand that to a point. But five rounds, there's.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Going to be a lot of people m out. Mel
Kiper is going to come out thumping. There's going to
be a lot of people that come out and have
something to say if it plays out where Shador Sanders
ends up being a superstar, and you know, in Cleveland,
I would just ask the question, Lee, look it up.
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How many fifth round draft pick quarterbacks end up starting
their rookie year.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I can think of one off the top of my head.
Kyle Orton due to injury. I mean that was that
was due to injury and he had to play. I'm
pretty sure he was a fifth round pick if I'm
not mistaken, But that was, you know, that was I
don't know that. It's not like he won the job.
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That was due to injury he had, he had an
opportunity to play and go on there, and and the
second that Rex Grossman was back, they made the move
to go to Grossman, so that I didn't even think
that this was a him just winning the job outright.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
But other than that, it's I can't I can't think of.
According to ESPN's mal kiper Junior, none of the qbs
picked in the fifth round have become regular starters over
the last thirty years. I just don't. Again, I hate
to be the one that kind of injects some just
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logic to the scenario, but it's a daunting task, man,
and it's a task that won't It just doesn't seem
like that'll work out.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Correction, Kyler was taken to the fourth round, fourth round,
not the thing.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
And for what it's worth, how did his career go?
Was it not bad?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You know?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Well? How long did he make it in? How long
was he a starter for? I remember him being pretty
good out of Purdue. It was a really good quarterback
at produe, like really good.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
He ended up playing nine years.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
It's not bad. How many did he start?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
He had eighty two starts in nine years, forty two
and forty record, one hundred and one touchdown, sixty nine picks.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, I mean, I just hate the round pick. I
hate to be the bearer of bad news fifth round
draft picks. It's just it's especially again, especially with a
third round draft pick in the mix, it's not enough. Like,
how can you sit here and people say, we're going
(14:33):
to justify downgrading and downplaying the fact that Dylan Gabriel
is the third round draft pick for this team. Okay,
it's like Dylan Gabriel is a non factor in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
All right, So let me ask you this. If we're
talking about quarterbacks drafted by a team in the same
draft at different points in the draft. You were in
Washington when they took RG three and then took Kirk
Cousins later in the draft. Yeah, what was the conversation.
Like I remember at the time when they did that, thinking, well,
that's interesting that that seems a little uh, it seems
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kind of interesting that that's how that would play out.
This is third and fifth, so it's a little different.
But that was also a situation in a scenario where
I don't know if anybody got the feeling going into
it that maybe Kirk Cousins had a real shot or
if this was just a best player available.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
But that was a debate day one, and it was
a debate day one because of all of this dysfunction
that was taking place in Washington. And that was one
of those deals where it was like one of the
picks was Shanahan's and one of the picks was was
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Dan Snyder's. And from what I heard, it was a
matter of he was an insurance policy two RG three.
I don't remember it off the top of my head,
but I feel like I feel like it was Kirk
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Cousins was the insurance policy based off of if RG
three was going to be able to do it at
the pro level, like that that was how how I
got it, like somebody somebody didn't want to take RG three.
I just don't remember off the top of my head.
I don't want to mess it up, but I would
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assume I would assume that kirk Cousins would have been
the one that the Shanahan's wonted. I would have assumed.
I would assume that, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
What's that supposed to mean?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, I think people felt like some people felt like
Kirk Cousins came in with more of a skill set
that would fit what the Shanahan's offense what it was,
while while RG three was more of a you know,
more of a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I do wonder on that point, because listen, we don't
know who's going to be the quarterback, I mean worse.
You know, we can kind of speculate. I think it's
going to be Flacco. We don't know who the starter
is going to be. We know Deshaun Watson still got
more time left on his deal. Whatever the hell happens there. Like,
the one thing that we do know is if the
Browns are bad again this year, Kevin Stefanski's probably gone,
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like this is probably it. And I just wonder Stefanski,
which is why I believe he's going to ultimately go
with Joe Flacco as a starter, because he looks at
this and goes, man, if I have another bad year,
I'm out, yes, And I got to save my job,
and I just wonder how he felt about the decision
to take another quarterback with my fifth round pick after
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we just took one in the third whether he looks
at that and goes, look, I need all the help
I can get. We can only start one quarterback. What
are we doing? Like, what's the plan here? Because look
you you saw the faces in the room and they made.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
The decision no real real emotion, so.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
You know, I mean, maybe this, maybe this is another
example of Jimmy Haslm getting involved and being like, well,
I like the storyline, much like maybe Dan Snyder got
involved in wanting to take RG three.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When he did.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
I mean, they're just it's still is a strange move
to me.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Was a huge success though, Yeah, and they had and
they had great success with him. He was the Rookie
of the year. RG three just got hit by a
sledgehammer and uh a steam engine by the name of
Hello Di Nada and and Dangaire knocked his leg off
of his body. I've seen it with my own two eyes.
(18:48):
It was an injury. It was an injury that that
allowed for as you mentioned with Kyle Orton, it was
an injury that allowed for for Kirk Cousins to get
the opportunity to even play. It wasn't in the cards.
It wasn't. It wasn't set up for Kirk Cousins to
be a starter. He was going to be a backup
until he probably left in free agency and went somewhere
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else after he was done in Washington. It just happened
to be, you know, RG three injured his knee and
couldn't stay healthy after that. Like literally, he could not
stay healthy after he injured his knee in that in
that playoff game. So it was it was an opportunistic
moment for Kirk Cousins. Does that opportunity come forward for
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Shador Sanders? It's it's to me if it plays out
where again, like Q isn't here to say it, but
we've said it enough. If one of these guys doesn't
get the starting job, are they really going to actually
ask to be released to go somewhere else? Like to me,
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I don't see how that makes sense. If I'm Kenny Pickett,
if I'm on this roster and I'm set to be
a backup on this roster to an old ass Joe Flacco, am,
why would I ask for Why would I ask for
a release to go somewhere else like, And what's the
guarantee that you're gonna get picked up by another team
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that's gonna put you in a situation that could be
as advantageous as the one you're in right now? How
has that happened? So, if I'm Kenny Pickett, I'm not
asking for a release. I'm gonna I'm gonna play my
role as the backup until I get an opportunity. There's
two ways I can get on this field right now.
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One Joe Flacco doesn't hold up. Two Joe Flacco doesn't
play well. That's how I can get on the field.
So I'm gonna just buy my time. But as it
applies to the two rookies, I'm just I cannot I
cannot rest logic on the idea that a fifth rounder
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is going to outperform and play and get enough time
and enough reps to outperform the third rounder. The third
rounder is going to be given the reps, the backup
is going to be given the reps, and the starter
is going to get the lion's share of the reps.
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So I don't see how the odd man out is
the fifth round pick. They're going to have to play
him because he's the oh he's he's the door Sanders,
and the situation is what it is, but it's it's
got to be considered a long shot for him to
be able to make this meteoric rise up the depth
(21:49):
chart to being the starting quarterback in Cleveland like that,
to me, it's a pipe dream if I'm being totally honest.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
And if you just take a step back and look
at it, it all goes back to ground zero, which
is everybody's been put in a tough spot. So Kevin
Stefanski's been putting a tough spot, Joe Flacco has been
putt in a tough spot, Kenny Pickett's been putt in
a tough spot. Shardoor Sanders and Dylan Gabriel have been
putting a tough spot. And they've all been putt in
(22:17):
a tough spot because Deshaun Watson put everybody in a
tough spot. And it was Jimmy Haslam who put everybody
involved in the tough spot by making the move to
bring in to Shaun Watson and it failing completely from
the get go, like it just so now they're just
sort of scrambling to try and figure out what direction
to go and they've got a bunch of the same
(22:38):
thing all in the room, and everyone's looking around going,
uh okay, I guess this is how we're doing it.
It's just it's bizarre, man.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Really, If all this and that and the way things
have been handled leads to Shador Sanders starting as the
starar and quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, at face value,
it will be the biggest story in all of the NFL.
(23:11):
And good luck to him. Like it's a great situation
in the sense that if you're a fifth rounder, this
would be the situation I would want to be in.
Like you got an old man, you got a backup, unproven,
and he Shador probably feels like he's a better ballplayer
than Dylan Gabriel. So but Dylan Gabriel is a baller
(23:33):
and maybe he's undersize, but the dude's a baller. He
won the Big Ten, made it to the college playoffs,
Like was a successful quarterback in college. Like let's not
downplay Dylan Gabriel for the sake of, you know, trying
to hype up you know, Shador Sanders, Like, let's see
who wins the job.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
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Speaker 3 (24:24):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up about
fifteen minutes from now. It's conspiracy theory time on the show,
and it's involving somebody in the NFL that will be
yours here on FSR. So we've been talking about quarterback
situations like the Cleveland Browns, which are a little bit
up in the air for everybody involved. One that may
(24:46):
not be up in the air is the situation with
the Giants. It's still a very interesting quarterback room based
on what we've seen from a.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Very interesting quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I mean, you got a little bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Then that's the light right, and.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
You got got a little bit of everything. You got
Russell Wilson, You've got Jamis Winston who's always fun. You've
got Jackson Dart who was drafted there. You've got Tommy DeVito,
little Paison passion there still uh, you know, Tommy Cutlet.
Tommy Cutlets still going in New York with the Giants,
so for long, so he could be the odd man
(25:24):
Tobby Cutlet, all right, so cut and let go. Russell Wilson,
the uh presumed starter for the New York Giants, was
on the seven PM in Brooklyn podcast with Carmelo Anthony
and he listed various reasons as to why he liked
the Giants and the fit with the Giants. He talked
(25:46):
about the abilities of one Milik neighbors and also detailed.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
Some other stuff here with daves Man, I'm excited because
of you know, his his offensive wizardry is really special,
you know, and so him.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
And Kafka, guy who played quarterback in the league, and
just the rest of the staff too.
Speaker 5 (26:05):
Man. It's just people that I know and people that
I believe in, and I'm excited about the opportunity to
playing this great organization. You know, I don't mind the lights,
you know what I mean, I don't mind the I
don't mind that part of it. I think the other
part of for me. But most importantly though all of
all that is I've been here before. You know, when
you walk into a stadium into a locker room, and
you know, like, my locker is the same locker I
(26:27):
had when I won the Super Bowl. And so for me,
when I see that, I'm like, when I walk into
that stadium, I'm like, I've been here before, like not
just been here, but like like we did this before,
and so I fundally believe it's possible again in terms
of just being successful again and being at the highest level.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
All right, So just confused? What is he talking about?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, because the super Bowl they won was at MetLife Okay,
So so they gave him the exact same locker that they
gave him when he played in the Super Bowl, I guess.
I mean, I don't know how that works. I mean
where they considered the can you look this up where
the Seahawks considered the home team in that Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
They would have had to have been because if they
used their home because I didn't realize they used their
home locker rooms. But I guess that would make sense
because that's that's uh. I don't know because when I
played and they have a new facility, but when I
played in New York, our practice facility was connected to
(27:34):
you know where what what was the meadowlands? It was connected.
This is I'm just confused because to me, you have
multiple locker rooms. You have the game day locker room
and then you have your practice locker room in most cases,
but New York had the same locker room when I
(27:56):
was there.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
I confus I think I think he confused you because
Russell Wilson might have been caught in a little bit
of a lie lee. Who is the home team in
that Super Bowl?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
That would have been the Denver Broncos who were rocking
the orange jerseys while the Seahawks were in their alternate
white jerseys.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
So how would the how would the Seahawks they got
the home locker room? Cause what because they each day
like they determined a home and away team for each
Super Bowl even though it's a neutral. So how would
Russell Wilson get the same locker if he's playing at
home now when he was a visitor in the Super Bowl?
(28:37):
Good question?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Well, it is it is MetLife, right, So, I mean
they do kind of have two home style locker rooms,
is that right?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Because of the he's a player on the team. Now
he's on the Giants, so he's in the Giants locker room.
So is he in the same exact locker room he
was He's basically he's saying he's in the same exact
locker room and locker that he was in when he
played for the Seattle Seahawks, which, by the way, even
(29:08):
giving that reasoning is still weird as hell because you
were on a different team. It's not like I've been
here before. I've been here before, Like bruh, you was
on a different team.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Well, I think, just so we're keeping score here on
the reasons why Russell Wilson liked the Giants as his
preferred team here, right, So Malik Neighbor's ability, Brian dave
Balls the head coach, and familiarity with the building because.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He won a Super Bowl there. There's also he's in
the same exact lockers yea. By his account.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
There's also a fourth the fact that the Steelers didn't
want him. That's also reason why he's with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh man, I mean I mean that's there, like that
is that is a part of it.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Because and here's the problem. You don't know what to
believe with the Russell Wilson stuff because like apparently he
wanted to stay in Pittsburgh. That was his preferred choice
was to stay in Pittsburgh. He liked Pittsburgh. But it
was really Arthur Smith and the Steelers who were like,
we're good here, like this.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Is and they don't even have a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
No, like like they basically they did it. They rolled
the dice on potentially Aaron Rodgers as opposed to the
guy who did want to stay there, which was Russell Wilson.
So like you know, like all these reasons for well
this is why you know I wanted this team and
I wanted to be here. Well no, like, like what
(30:36):
else was there? Really?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Dave Ball is on the hot seat as well. We're
talking about coaches on the hot seat. When we just
talked about Stefanski and we talked about the Pittsburgh Steelers day,
Ball is on the hot seat too. A lot of
people were surprised he made it through this year. So
(30:59):
you bring in Dark, it looks like they're high on
Jackson Dart so it looks like whoever is going to
be the starter, it's like you're there for a time
and you don't get much time into Big Apple, so
you got Jamis. It's most certainly most likely going to
(31:22):
be Russell Wilson, which, by the way, I would not
be surprised if Jameis Winston beat Russell Wilson out before
the season started. I wouldn't be surprised. But Jackson Dart
is going to be the guy for this team. I mean,
the way they're positioning him media wise, the coverage of him,
(31:44):
you can clearly see that the commitment is going to
be invested in getting Jackson Dart prepared. So, for what
it's worth, if I'm giving an honest assessment and opinion
of it all, I think that whoever's starting is a
placeholder until Dark is up and ready to go and
they're confident and him going in as the starter. It's
(32:07):
just it's just a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I did a little bit more digging on this Russell
Wilson locker situation to find out whether or not he
was spinning yarns Lee, Do you have any war on
this because I'm seeing that he apparently they're claiming it
is the same locker that he has.
Speaker 6 (32:23):
Now, well, you know it is met Life. So the
Jets and Giants both have home lockers, their locker rooms.
There's actually four total locker rooms at MetLife.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
That's what I'm saying. Why would you put them in
the team's lockers. Why would unless that's their game day
locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
You know, it'd be sweet if they also gave Justin
Fields the same locker as Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
And he didn't know. They just said the Jets were like, yeah,
we'll give him the same locker too. Well, it can't
be the Jets. Can't the Jets had their own locker room.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Apparently he's saying he was in the Giants' locker room.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
I listen the whole well for the Super Well, he
might have been in the Giants while the while the
brothers in the Jets.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Might have been in the Jets. Yeah, I get it,
I mean I get it. I just when I played
for the Giants, our lockers were our lockers, meaning that
we didn't have a game day locker room and during
the week practice locker room. Does that make sense to y'all? Like,
does that? Like you have a practice facility and a
(33:27):
weight room facility. Like some people or some teams, they
have two different locker rooms. You had the game day
locker room that's in the stadium, and then you have
the facility where you train him, you practice and all that.
So okay, so we're clear. So what I'm saying is
is the New York Giants did not have two locker
(33:47):
rooms when I was there. They had one. And I
can't see how they would have had anybody go into
that locker room because that's where all everybody's stuff is.
So I don't know that that just seems strange. And
I mean maybe they cleared it out for the Super Bowl.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'll be honestly, there's a lot of stuff that he
says seems strange.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I'm mad that that's the most interesting part of the
conversation about That's what's really upsetting. What's really upsetting he
is that and and you know what, it is the
most interesting part of the conversation. But at this point
I think we know what we're getting.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Yeah, just you know, like this is probably it. If
it doesn't work here for for us, then I mean, you.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Know, I mean, he's good it's worked. Oh yeah, it's
it's all work. He's good. By the way, you'd be
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Speaker 2 (35:02):
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Speaker 3 (35:13):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up top
of next now a little over ten minutes from now.
The future is in question for a Hall of Famer
in the world of sports. We'll get into that for
you here on FSR. So uh, Kyle Pitts, the tight
(35:34):
end for the Atlanta Falcons, is dealing with a little
bit of an issue and Raheem Morris, Raheem Morris. He
actually spoke about Kyle Pitts and not being available dealing
with some sort of an undisclosed injury yesterday at OTAs.
Speaker 7 (35:52):
Extremely cautious with Kyle right now and what's got going on. Obviously,
you know, talk about injuries this time of year, but
definitely being cautious with them so you won't see him.
He's been here, he's done such a great job of
all stuff that we've asked him. He's been in every
single meeting, He's been in every single thing that we've
done other than the field, and he's been absolutely outstanding
to be around.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
Yeah, it's interesting all of a sudden, an undisclosed injury
for Kyle Pitts, and then you look around and you go, gosh,
sure are a lot of trade rumors involving Kyle Pitts
around the league. A guy who was drafted very high
but just hasn't quite lived up, even though he's shown
(36:36):
flashes to his potential there in Atlanta. And I just wonder,
is this undisclosed injury that he's dealing with code for Well,
we just don't want to get him hurt before we
end up trading the guy and we're having conversations with people.
Maybe he's got the Maybe this is the hyper extended
(36:57):
trade bait.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Injury that's going on here.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Maybe that's what it is, because I don't buy for
one second that Kyle Pitts has got some sort of
an undisclosed injury. I think the Atlanta Falcons are trying
to make a deal and they're just keeping him out
of harm's way so they can execute this deal sooner.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Rather than later. What do you think of that? Bar Uh,
it's not a horrible it's not a horrible theory.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Can I get a little bit of an endorsement?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
It's not a horrible theory. I'll say this full awareness.
His contract does run out this year, and I think
that it's a matter of getting a contract extension done
at the least an extension or a new contract deal
done before you start putting him out there. I think
(37:47):
it might be as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
So you think it's more of an extension and not
it's a negotiation.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I mean, he's speaking very highly of him, and listen,
Rahiem is a player's coach. To players love him. He's
a relatable dude. So he's not going to say anything
crazy about Kyle Pitts unless it was really necessary. So
it could be a smoke screen to be able to
keep his value high and maybe see that a trade
suitor would would jump at it. I mean, there's certainly
(38:17):
people that could use him, there's teams that could use
use his services. But I think that he would be
one hundred percent valued as an Atlanta Falcon. And you know,
he doesn't have a contract beyond this year. His contract
runs out, so you think he's going to get a deal.
I think he's going to get a deal. His stick
(38:38):
sticks bam.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think he's going to get traded.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I mean they picked line, they picked up his they
picked up his fifth year option in twenty four in April,
they picked up his fifth year option. So I just
you know, I think he's going to he wants a deal.
I think he'll read a deal. I think that that's
what they're waiting on it. They'll have a deal done.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
By the way, one of the great fantasy football teases
of all time is Kyle Pitts. You just assume he's
going to put up monster numbers, and for some reason
it has not worked out. It is just not panned out.
The way everybody thought it was, so we'll keep you posted.
But those are our picks, calling our shot and Kyle
Pitts
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