June 5, 2025 • 39 mins
Ryan Day wants 4 automatic qualifiers for the Big 10, adding more confusion to the College Football Playoff format. Bears Safety, Jaquan Brisker faces a dilemma with his concussion situation. The Express Pros Pro of the Week and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's get this, punies.
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
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You need to be a warrior, don't you.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Now Here comes Michelle Pfeiffer out of left field, talking
about just get in class and write this paper.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Please let me tell you about Edgar Allan Poele love
not war Damn damn.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
She did cocin and and scarface though she wasn't doing
the crack, you know what I mean? So I understand.
I mean, she wouldn't have been able to relate to
the kid and and and lean on me or stand
by me, lean on me, lean on me. Yeah, she
wouldn't have been able to relate to him because she'd
have been looking at him like, man, what are you
doing that, she.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Would have said said the same things as doctor Clark.
You know what I mean. Crack crack is whack. By
the way, we are try some of this this tousy.
By the way, we.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Do have I know, uh we've mentioned this wasn't on
the rundown here LeVar, but we do have our first
guest of the day, alberber is going to be joining
us in our three of the program.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'd like to welcome in.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Welcome in the man himself, Principal Joe Clark, for some
thoughts on just uh schools and uh just the behavior
of certain kids who backed up in the cafeteria.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Let me have your.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Attention, everyone climbed out. I want all radios off, instantaneously,
all radios off. I want all of you to look
at this slovenly sloppy boy here as an example of
how not to dress. When you look in your mirrors
(02:27):
in the morning, find something else to put off.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
You imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Hate everybody, Stop all radios off instantaneously.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
My god, you imagine a principal fat shame like that,
this lovely slappy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Boy and he attacking the boy's wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, kid's got some britannious and a yellow shirt on.
Looks like he rolled around and Mustard Dan his principal
just fatted him out in front of all of the
school in cafeteria. Uh here was Here's a little more
from our first guest of the day, Princeville Joe Clark,
with some words of wisdom for anybody that's thinking about
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getting into a little bit of that uh that funny stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Go on, dump, No, I don't want to jump, yess
you do. Just smoke crack, don't you You smoke crack.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Don't you look at me more? Don't just smoke crack? Yes, sir,
what a job.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
To God in my hip?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
You mentioned if my son came home from school, was like, hey,
how was school today?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I had a little running with the principal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Well, so he fashimed me and told me to jump
off a building.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm like, wait, give that guy a raise.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Both more than enough to make a kid end it.
By the way, that could be a feint of heart.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Okay, so that's a real school movie. That's a real
school movie.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I had run to him with the principal today, Well,
why didn't he tell you to jump?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well? I can't tell you. I don't want to tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Dad, you mentioned that, you mentioned though embarrassing that must
have been. You're sitting in the cafeteria and the principal
gets on a loud speaker and goes, look at.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
This slovenly slavey Moore to the entire the entire student body.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You won't get one day the rest of your time
in that school.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You are instantly getting bullied. Soon as he lets them
go back to their regular activities.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh man, there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
The good old days.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Days. Love me some.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Joe Clark, all right, that's the way. Not too long ago, huh,
Morgan Freeman. No, the Joe Clark, Oh, the original Joe Clark.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like been like, I mean, I think it's over a
year or so, but yeah, I think he's yeah twenty yeah,
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, hey, hell of a movie.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I mean, it's set the tone. I'll tell you that.
Oh my desperate times called for desperate measures.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'm gonna I'm gonna call my son that later on.
I'm gonna be like, would you would you stop being
such a sloby lace?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Say?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Boy? All right?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So it is two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox with you.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So look, man, I don't know how you feel about this,
but I got me some fatigue, all right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I got some real fatigue, like army.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Fatigue, No like college football playoff fatigue.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Tired fatigue.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Ryan Day, the head coach of the Ohio State Buck Guys,
speaking of Albert Breer and Ohio State alum loves his
Buck Guys. Ryan Day was talking with ESPN, and you know,
he's got some thoughts because you've got all these commissioners
arguing about you know, you've got the Big twelve and
the ACC teaming up, You've got the SEC and the
Big Ten teaming up, and everybody who's got disagreements on
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what the college football playoff format is going to look like,
whether or not, you know, certain automatic qualifiers are going
to be involved from each conference.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Who should get more?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And so Ryan Day spoke with ESPN and said, quote,
we're in the Big Ten, we have eighteen teams, some
of the best programs in the country. I feel like
we deserve at least four automatic qualifiers. You would have
had at least a team or two in the College
football playoff from out there, referring to the original PAC twelve.
So it only makes sense when you have eighteen teams,
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especially the quality of teams that you have in that
many teams representing the Big ten. He wants up to
four automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten. So I just
look at the whole thing and I go, dude, somebody
just come up with something like, figure out however you
want this to look. However many automatic qualifiers you want
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it to look like? Whoever you can, we just get
to some sort of a resolution, so we could just
focus on what this is going to be and not
what it potentially could be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Because it feels like it's playing out through the media.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It feels like you've got you know, brett yor Mark,
You've got Greg saying you like, all these people are
taking shots and trying to jockey for position. And I
get it, the revenue, the power, everything that comes along
with it. I just want to know what it's going to,
what it's going to be, and then we go from there.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Don't you think they have to know what it's going
to be before it can be what it's going to be.
I think that that's the very problem of it all
is that I don't feel like they know what they
wanted to be because I don't know that there's a
way to answer what it's supposed to be. And I
think that's the biggest challenge. I think the points that
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that Ryan Day pointed out at Highlighted make a ton
of sense. I was just doing an interview with Kei
Johnny Carter, who's on the final ballot to get into
the College Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Good interview with him yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you know, I always say, while Rashaan Salaam is,
which coincidentally is my twenty twenty two Hall of Fame brother,
and I still have to maintain the stance if I'm
being true to myself, that I felt like John Carter
should have won the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Four high He's mean, key, John Carter's not in the
Hall of Fame yet.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And he basically says like when he missed like think
about it for as brilliant a year as he had
when he missed out on winning the heisman. Rashaun Salon
won heisman. Generally speaking, the guy that wins the Heisman,
especially if they're a running back and not a quarterback,
they win all of the awards attached and associated with
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that person's position. So while he was a unanimous All American,
he doesn't have any awards from that ninety four year
to your point earlier. The reason why I prefaced with
that is Kijana played against Michigan that year, very very
good defense, very good defense. He played against Ohio State
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that year, very very stout defense. He played against an
Illinois defense that could arguably be the greatest college defense
of all time, with Dana Howard and Kevin Hardy and
Simeon Rice all on the same team in front seven,
front eight. Two guys won the Buckets Award back to
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back years. So when I when I while, I'll say, okay,
this this over here where Rashon Salam is, what was
the level of competition that he was able to break
two thousand yards with where he carried the ball by
the way, I believe it was like one hundred more
times than then ke John Carter did. Like they were
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blowing guys out so much. Keijohana wasn't playing but two
or three quarters in the game. But when you talk
about the level of competition, to me, that's what separated
ke John Carter from the rest of the pack by
that year.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Sorry to interrupt, but it should be pointed out, as
you mentioned, Kejhona Carter averaged seven point eight yards to carry.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Ice bro?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
People ask me it is is Sakwuon Barkley the greatest
running back of all time to play at Penn State.
I first of all tell people, if you stop to
take a look at the history of running backs at
Penn State, it's pretty rich in history and some some
legitimate guys that played the position, but I would be
hard pressed to say that any one of them was
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ever as iconic or as big bigger than Kei John
the Carter who went, by the way number one overall
to the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So salom had that year, just to just for reference,
had one hundred more carries and about five hundred more yards.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So yeah, so if.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You do if you do the math on that, if
you do the math on that, which because Penn State
had literally three three tailbacks, Mike Archie, Steven Pitts, those.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Guys got a lot of got a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of burn and and again, like I said, they were
blowing teams out that year and and so Keijana was
probably only playing two to three quarters. But but on
top of that, it was again the level of competition.
So how that applies to what Ryan Day is saying
and what the dilemma is that exist here? The SEC
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could make that same that same claim being now a
new major mega conference along with the Big Ten, Both
of those those conferences can make the same argument that
the level of competition when they start conference play is
much harder and it's much more quality than it is
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and the other the other conferences that are out there.
So when you're able to make that type of argument
and have that type of discussion point, it now makes
it complicated because if I'm a team in a different conference,
if I'm a coach, I'm left to coach, right, and
ads have to try to figure out the business behind
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what conference you're in, the money that comes from it
that you're able to generate, da da da da da
da da, how do you balance it out, How does
it apply to the other sports.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How much traveling do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What's the expenses versus what's the net revenue that you're
trying to bring in. There's so many different things that
you have to balance out and try to figure out
that's just beyond one aspect of sports. So it's not
going to be an easy answer for what it is
that you have going on in the college playoffs other
than to be honest with you, other than to say,
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these are the top two conferences.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They boast the strongest teams.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And weighted value of what to type the type of
level competition represents. So these are going to be the
two conferences that get the automatic qualifiers. I mean, until
you can figure out a way to justify it any
other way, how do you how do you wait and
quantify who you're going to put into the playoffs? I
(13:44):
think it might it's just right now, I think it's
kind of too hard to figure out what the right
answer to that is.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, it's just it goes back and forth, and there's
different reports, and they have spring meetings and one commissioner
says this and another says this, and I'm like, man, look,
whatever the determination is, I just want to have something
to look forward to and know what it is we're
going to have when it comes to the playoff. Because
for all the conversation about you know, people's complaints last
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year about the Playoff. Man, I love the fact that
we had actual home games. I love the fact that
we had the elements. Like I'm I'm in on the
expanded version of the college football Playoff. I initially wasn't
when it came to the four team I thought, Man,
four teams is enough. There's not that many teams good
enough to compete for a national title. And then the
more I thought about it, the more I realized, Look, ultimately,
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they're going to get as many in as possible because
it's about the money. So if that's the case, fine,
just somebody make a decision so we know what we
got and then we can, you know, have the discussions afterwards.
But if they want to put you know, four automatic
qualifiers in from the Big Ten, so be it. If
they want to do the same from the SEC, so
be it. Like whatever they decide on, I'm good with.
I just want to have something to look forward to.
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I just want to know what we're going to get
from college football. So yeah, by the way, I'm looking
at uh talk about a pain in the ash year
for ki Jana Carter to have the type of season
he had back then.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, Rashon Slom had a great year.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I mean ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean again, no shade, zero shade towards Rashon salam
at all. I promise you that nothing but respect, nothing
but admiration for what Rashon salam accomplished. But I'm just saying,
if you take a look at the season that they
had in Penn State and what Keijohna Carter was able
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to do in that year and that season with all
the given variables of the teams they played against, I couldn't.
I mean, it was all to me, it was all
but a lock that Kejha Carter was going to be
the second Hall of Fame winner of the school and
our whole entire history Richard history of football, John Capelletti
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is the only one that's one a Heisman, And some
of that has a lot to do with the way
Joe handled things as well for Kajana to be that
close to wing winning it. And we're not a school
where the coach or the school really gets behind Historically,
they don't get behind the player and really promote the
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player and do Heisman campaigns. That just wasn't Joe's thing,
so he was he was void of any type of
push to get the award, by the way, he was
still up there and the runner up.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That was one of the cool things to get to
see when we were in State College doing the shows
from there in the football building, seeing capal edies Heisman
on display with all the other awards there. But yeah,
I mean, I'm still surprised he's not already in. I mean,
you know, his final year was ninety four. What are
we talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
If you think about it, how is Courtney Brown not
in there either? I feel like both of those guys
should have got in before me. But you know, nonetheless,
it is what it is. It's a very very difficult
so terrified there for certain, and it's a very very
uh it's a strenuous, very very tough process. I mean,
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if you look at the ballot this year, that thing
is mean. I mean, that thing is mean. And they'll
pull in a couple guys, like quite a few guys,
like more than what you would assume. But I mean,
listen to this list of guys.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You got.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You got Flozel Adams, you got Morton Anderson, you got
Eric Anderson, the Michigan linebacker that won the buckets, Brad
Banks the quarterback. Uh, you got Aaron Beasley, the d
back from West Virginia. Eric b Enemy is on the
ballot this year. Alex Brown, Courtney Brown, Daz Bryant.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean, there's it's it's a who's who.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
On this list, Mark Carrier, if you guys are real
football pall Man right, Uh, Dallas Clark.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I remember, and Mark Carrier was drafted by it. He
had his rookie year with the Bears. He had ten interceptions.
I still remember that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I steal be bro and he Marco Coleman.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Mark Carrier could crack.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh he could he bang you?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Now he bang you? Yes, he would straight from Long Beach.
Polly by the way. Uh, you got you got Vernon Davis.
Now here's where it gets interesting. You got Aaron Donald,
you got you got Ken Dorsey, you got uh the
Brickashaw Ferguson. I mean, it's just it's a crazy list.
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Kevin Hardy, Casey Hampton. They got r G three on
this bad boy Cam Cam uh Cam Newton is on
on this one.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So when I tell you who do you say no to? Exactly?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Like, how do you how do you get in when
you had these type of I mean, you got Richard
Seymour on this one, Takeyo Spikes, Jonathan Stewart, Ken Many,
Jonathan Viillmo Ken Dorsey.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Ken Dorsey gets out shine because he was on those
great Miami teams.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
But Ken Dorsey was awesome, Like he had a great career.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
He was a catalyst.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, he was a catalyst.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So I just it's you know, just for me, I
always think about when you go back and you you
chop it up and you look at it at its
bare minimum, It's like what constitutes saying that this person
deserves it more than another person. I just say, when
you look at some of these guys and their body
of work and then you look at the level of competition,
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like then that's that makes it, you know, Like I said,
for Kajana Carter, it makes it very very hard to
debate the fact that if you look at hit their
opponents and what they were doing, like I believe Illinois
had the number one defense that year in ninety four
and that man still was able to be the catalyst.
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They almost beat them, They almost beat Penn State about
how good their defense was. It was things that like
what Kajana Carter brought to the table was the reason
why they were able to overcome the team. And I
don't know, man, I just it just gives way to
the conversation of with the playoffs, how.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Are you valuing?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like, are you looking at the top twenty five and
if the top twenty five polls the multiple ones that
are recognized are the ones that are responsible, how are
you valuing and weighing that top twenty five? You know
what I mean versus what the strength of the conference
and the schedule is. It's just to me, I think
it's a very it's a very difficult conclusion to come
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to on who's favored more and who should get automatic
qualifiers or bye weeks or whatever it may be. I
just think it's a difficult proposition.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Coming up next here though, somebody in the NFL is
speaking about a serious situation to monitor this upcoming year.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
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Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh got issues, bruh, Yeah, but you know what I'm.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Not though, what a slam slappery Moore. It is two
pros eat enough food to be dead. Oh my god,
it is two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you by the way, coming up a little over fifteen
minutes from now, we are going to hand out an.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Award here on this show.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
All right, it's the season of giving here, so we
are going to hand out an award that'll be yours
here on FSR. So you and I talked about this
last year because it didn't get nearly enough conversation or
coverage that maybe it should have, because there was too
much focus on the other circus that was going on
inside the building. But the story of Jakwan Brisker, Penn
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State alum, speaking of it, we mentioned Mark Carrier, who
likes to crack Jaquan Brisker is one.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Of those guys too.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
He'll lay the lumber so much so that he suffered
last year his third concussion in three seasons. And so
you know, say, all right, this is starting to happen
more and more. The problem with the one he suffered
last year was he missed the final twelve games of
the year. He could never get right, and you can
(22:35):
call him a question why he was allowed to stay
in the game.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
He laid the hit.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Before halftime, finished the game, and that it was Later
on that night he reported that he was dealing with
some symptoms and missed the entire season afterwards. So he
is working his way back with the Bears. He is
trying to get back and ready to go. And he
spoke about his journey suffering the concussion, the rehab process
(23:00):
he went through, and sort of what the conversations have
been like when it comes to his future moving forward.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
So I went to a doctor in Pittsburgh and he
basically just explained the type of concussion I had and
told me how.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To retrain it.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
So really just doing exercises and that's really what I
had to do. And then I did farther more later
on when I got to California.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
What kind of concussion did you have?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Benescular? That's what That's what he told me.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
So a lot of talk about you in terms of
your long term health, just because you've had multiple concussions,
and people wondering how durable you are and how long.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You could withstand this but your head too? Are you
worried about yourself?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm good.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
I'm past that point. I'm really moving on. So I'm
just focused on playing ball. You know, I'm really clear
at man, and you know under I'm really good.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So were there.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
People telling you, hey, you might want to think about
I don't know, our word retirement or something like that,
like just how serious these have been?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Was that a conversation at all?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Nah?
Speaker 8 (23:58):
No, No, not with no one, especially not myself now
with my parents. Like I feel like if my parents
say something is deep. So if it had come for
nom or come for me, I'm good, I was. No.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I didn't hear it, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So that was a bear safe du to Kwambrisker returning
back from a concussion that caused of miss the final
twelve games of last year, the third of his career,
in his third year, and I would just wonder this
same thing we were wondering about Tuatukobailoa. The likelihood of
him going the rest of his career without another concussion
(24:34):
seems low like it seems it seems low. So what
do you do if it happens again? Like, if it
happens again, do you just hey, as long as he
goes through the process, and like you can't help but
wonder and have the conversation, much like TUA, about if
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this is going to happen again, how do we proceed?
And it feels like one of these uncomfortable conversations in
the NFL that maybe no one wants to just acknowledge,
which is, you know what you're signing up for. And
in my mind, if the player is good with it
and he clears whatever protocol there is out there, you
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gotta let him go. I just feel like there's going
to be outside voices that are going to get involved
that are don't want to speak on behalf of the
people that aren't actually are on the field going through
this entire process.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's a tough conversation to have because in the end,
you know, the reality of it is is that if
he does continue to have indeed have those concussions, what
it truly represents, and it does represent the R word,
it does represent having to go in a different direction
(25:47):
with what it is that you know what your original
plan is you don't want to have any indecision as
a player going into these situations. So for him to
have the mindset that he has, the way that he's responding,
in a lot of ways, it is the right response
because you can't half way at playing the position that
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he plays, because then that could ultimately lead to him,
you know, sustaining a different type of injury. I will say,
he's got to figure out how to keep his head
out of the contact zones. So there needs to be
a level of adjustment for him, Jonas in terms of
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how he approaches tackling. As you mentioned, he is a thumper,
he's a he's a tall, he's a bigger type of receiver,
I mean, excuse me safety, and he'll come downhill and
he'll hit you like a linebacker would like he had.
He brings force. And when you you're that type of player,
(26:51):
and we mentioned Mark Carrier earlier, when you're that type
of player, you get dinged up. Mark Carrier got dinged up,
Ronnie Lott got dinged up.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I mean, you name some of the bigger hitters. I mean,
Sean Taylor might be the only one I didn't see
get dinged up when he was knocking.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
People's souls out of their bodies. But he's going to
have to.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jaquan is going to have to figure out a different
approach because he is very close to being in that
danger zone of having to take take a serious inventory.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
On what he's supposed to do next. I'm no way
around that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And I just if you're already here at this point,
like I don't, it almost feels like you're too far
down the road of it not having to be not
only a concern, but the conversation at least coming out
like if you're the Bears. Because look, Jaquan Briskers when
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he's on the fields a good player. Think he's a
really good player. He's a difference maker. And you know
he was second round pick. This is a big year
for him. It's his fourth year. He's gonna want to
look to get an extension or get a payday if
it's not in Chicago somewhere else. And you mentioned, look,
it's his style of play. He even talked about it
like he's just going to continue to play the way
that he plays.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
But if the way that he.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Plays means you're averaging a concussion every single year and
the most recent one caused you to miss twelve games.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
What the expectation is other than yeah, it's probably gonna
happen again, Like it's probably gonna have this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's hard to come. It's hard to have as an organization.
It's hard to have a comfort and confidence in extending
him without there being a whole lot of a whole
lot of contingencies in the in the contract right, like
there has to be protection over the organization making a
(28:54):
financial commitment to him, knowing what the circumstances are, whether
he sustains enough one or not. It just has to
be understood that there's a strong possibility he's a concussion
away from not being available to you ever.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Again because we had mentioned this when the two of
concussions popped up as he was going through him, and
it's like you almost you almost not cringe, but when
you watch to a play or take a hit, you're
almost going, oh, boy is this. But he's a quarterback
and there are possibilities for to to be able to
(29:31):
avoid a hit like that. I don't know how Jakwan
Brisker avoids this, Like he plays in a contact zone
all game, Like I just don't. And you're almost watching
him as he goes in to make a play on
a ball or make a play on a ball carrier
or lay the lumber.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Again, and you're just kind of boy, is he going
to get up? Is he going to be?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
He got up last time and he didn't feel it
until later on that night. It just feels like, if
you're already at the point to where you're having those
questions concerns, is it too late.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't have the answers to that. I just know
that you have to be cognizant of it. You have
to be totally totally aware of these situations because the
long term damage that you're doing to yourself is not
worth whatever it is that you're trying to do in
(30:27):
you know, in the present time, it's just not so.
While I don't have the I'm obviously not qualified to
speak on it from the scientific or medical aspect of it.
As a player, as a former player and someone who
played that style of football where it was very physical
(30:48):
and you made contact, you got to take it into
consideration if they're coming too far or excuse me, too
close and too frequent with what you have going on
and every time you hit somebody, it's you're getting shook
loose and and you're having those symptoms.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
It's just not long term. It's just for me.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just don't see how you can take the chance
of impacting yourself further than what you already had.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
How many did you have in your career?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You no, I would.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I would that I that I knew I had, like
had them and knew I had it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Because there was the one in lambeau Field right where
you hit your head.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I have my head off the turf. Definitely got
one there.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I got one against Philadelphia my rookie year when I
hit Brian Mitchell. I tell that story a lot. Tim
By Akabatuca neat me in my head. That was one.
What's that three right there? I believe I had like
four logged concussions during my entire career.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Now four At what point or did you you find
yourself after a concussion You're like, all right, I got
to change the way I play.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So I'm telling you that's the scary part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Because it's kind of what he is, like, this is
who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, if your mentality is that of I'm a warrior,
I'm a thumpers. That's what's a part of what I do. Then, Yeah,
but you can still do that and not bang your
head up. You really can. I mean there are ways,
Like for me when I got I didn't get concussions
based off of the way I hit, Like the one,
(32:37):
the one concussion that when I hit Brian Mitchell. I mean,
that's just law of physics. Like I'm coming down Phiel
one hundred miles per hour. He gets the ball and
he's starting up Phield and he hadn't quite got the
one hundred miles per hour yet, but he was running.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Full close to full speed and I.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Collided with him and my you know, I hit him
in a way where my head took the brunt of
the you know, the contact that might have been the
only one. The tim biaka Patuca one, he need me
in my head like I was in the hole going
to make the tackle. He was running and his knees
were going up and they need me in the side
of my head. Boom. That's not you know, you can't
(33:18):
do anything about that. The one in lambeau Field, I
hit Brett Farv. Bruce Smith hits him at the same time,
so we're colliding and I fall off of Brett and
hit my head the back of my head off of
Lambeau Field. It was so cold that day that when
I hit my head off of it just gave me
a concussion.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So it wasn't even like the things that I did.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Tackling freak occurrences on yes, yeah, yeah, I mean so
there's no real way you can get out of And
that's why when people talk about can too avoid it
or now we're talking about Jakwan Brisker, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like when you understand it that way and you're out there,
it's hard to ever be able to guarantee whatever it
is adjustments you're going to make, whether it be your equipment,
whether it be the way you play. It's hard to
avoid things that can happen, like like concussions in full
contact sports.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
And there's also the element, as we touched on, that
he's going to play the way he plays, that he
knows how to play and you can try and adjust.
You see it him boxing sometimes remember Arturro Gotti, one
of the greats. Artural Gotti's one of the most entertaining fighters. Yeah,
because he would be in these firefights with guys and
there was a point to where he was like, Okay,
I gotta be smarter about how I engage. I gotta,
(34:40):
you know, use my defense a little bit. I've got
the skill set to do this. I can't just go
out there with reckless abandon and then you'd get hit
one time and be like.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
F it, let's go get it.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, Like that's just it's just who he was and
that's why people loved him.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Brain got shook, luc bro I used to do Fight
Night in DC with under Armour every year. And let
me tell you something. The boxers they I would say,
they got it the worst out of everybody. Broyep.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Like when you see the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Legends walking around and kind of the condition that they
be in. Sometimes mans be sad, bro Like, they be
so like they be so beat up, like they the
brain just so beat.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Up, you know. I see that. I see it a
lot in.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
The older older football players, Like the older generation, they
didn't have as much protection over them and safety awareness
over them as as more recent players. So you'll see
some older players man, and it's it be sad, yeah,
you know. And technology is so much different now as well.
(35:51):
So I don't know, man, you know, but I wish
I'm all the best I know Jakwan, love them to death.
Super awesome dude, super dope dude, plays the game the
way the game is supposed to be played. I just
hope that he is very, very aware and very mindful
of what it is that you know, he needs to
do for the betterment of himself and the safety of himself,
(36:11):
which I believe he will.
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What's your take?
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I'm just I want to see. Based on.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Draft Kings, okay, shake Gilders, Alexander is the overwhelming favorite
to be MVP of the NBA Finals. He's a minus
six hundred, which is preposterous, but that's the feeling a
lot of people have that. Okay, so he's gonna run
away with this thing, Pascal Siak. I'm sitting there at
sixteen to one, all right, sixteen to one. If you
(38:32):
think he's going to continue continue his rise, but as
you pointed out, maybe Tyrese Haliburton's got a little red
ass over.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
He might.
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There will be no mistakes to be made.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's get this, punies.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
You need to be a warrior, don't you.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Now Here comes Michelle Pfeiffer out of left field, talking
about just get in class and write this paper.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Please let me tell you about Edgar Allan Poele love
not war Damn damn.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I do.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
She did cocin and and scarface though she wasn't doing
the crack, you know what I mean? So I understand.
I mean, she wouldn't have been able to relate to
the kid and and and lean on me or stand
by me, lean on me, lean on me. Yeah, she
wouldn't have been able to relate to him because she'd
have been looking at him like, man, what are you
doing that, she.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Would have said said the same things as doctor Clark.
You know what I mean. Crack crack is whack. By
the way, we are try some of this this tousy.
By the way, we.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Do have I know, uh we've mentioned this wasn't on
the rundown here LeVar, but we do have our first
guest of the day, alberber is going to be joining
us in our three of the program.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'd like to welcome in.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Welcome in the man himself, Principal Joe Clark, for some
thoughts on just uh schools and uh just the behavior
of certain kids who backed up in the cafeteria.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Let me have your.
Speaker 5 (02:02):
Attention, everyone climbed out. I want all radios off, instantaneously,
all radios off. I want all of you to look
at this slovenly sloppy boy here as an example of
how not to dress. When you look in your mirrors
(02:27):
in the morning, find something else to put off.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
You imagine.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Hate everybody, Stop all radios off instantaneously.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
My god, you imagine a principal fat shame like that,
this lovely slappy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Boy and he attacking the boy's wardrobe.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, kid's got some britannious and a yellow shirt on.
Looks like he rolled around and Mustard Dan his principal
just fatted him out in front of all of the
school in cafeteria. Uh here was Here's a little more
from our first guest of the day, Princeville Joe Clark,
with some words of wisdom for anybody that's thinking about
(03:17):
getting into a little bit of that uh that funny stuff.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
Go on, dump, No, I don't want to jump, yess
you do. Just smoke crack, don't you You smoke crack.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Don't you look at me more? Don't just smoke crack? Yes, sir,
what a job.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
To God in my hip?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
You mentioned if my son came home from school, was like, hey,
how was school today?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
He's like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I had a little running with the principal.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
What happened?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Well, so he fashimed me and told me to jump
off a building.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I'm like, wait, give that guy a raise.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Both more than enough to make a kid end it.
By the way, that could be a feint of heart.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Okay, so that's a real school movie. That's a real
school movie.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I had run to him with the principal today, Well,
why didn't he tell you to jump?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well? I can't tell you. I don't want to tell you.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Dad, you mentioned that, you mentioned though embarrassing that must
have been. You're sitting in the cafeteria and the principal
gets on a loud speaker and goes, look at.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
This slovenly slavey Moore to the entire the entire student body.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
You won't get one day the rest of your time
in that school.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
You are instantly getting bullied. Soon as he lets them
go back to their regular activities.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Oh man, there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
The good old days.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Days. Love me some.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
Joe Clark, all right, that's the way. Not too long ago, huh,
Morgan Freeman. No, the Joe Clark, Oh, the original Joe Clark.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Like been like, I mean, I think it's over a
year or so, but yeah, I think he's yeah twenty yeah,
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Well, hey, hell of a movie.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I mean, it's set the tone. I'll tell you that.
Oh my desperate times called for desperate measures.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'm gonna I'm gonna call my son that later on.
I'm gonna be like, would you would you stop being
such a sloby lace?
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Say?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Boy? All right?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
So it is two pros and a cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Jonas Knox with you.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
All right.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So look, man, I don't know how you feel about this,
but I got me some fatigue, all right.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I got some real fatigue, like army.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Fatigue, No like college football playoff fatigue.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Tired fatigue.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Ryan Day, the head coach of the Ohio State Buck Guys,
speaking of Albert Breer and Ohio State alum loves his
Buck Guys. Ryan Day was talking with ESPN, and you know,
he's got some thoughts because you've got all these commissioners
arguing about you know, you've got the Big twelve and
the ACC teaming up, You've got the SEC and the
Big Ten teaming up, and everybody who's got disagreements on
(06:32):
what the college football playoff format is going to look like,
whether or not, you know, certain automatic qualifiers are going
to be involved from each conference.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Who should get more?
Speaker 4 (06:42):
And so Ryan Day spoke with ESPN and said, quote,
we're in the Big Ten, we have eighteen teams, some
of the best programs in the country. I feel like
we deserve at least four automatic qualifiers. You would have
had at least a team or two in the College
football playoff from out there, referring to the original PAC twelve.
So it only makes sense when you have eighteen teams,
(07:02):
especially the quality of teams that you have in that
many teams representing the Big ten. He wants up to
four automatic qualifiers for the Big Ten. So I just
look at the whole thing and I go, dude, somebody
just come up with something like, figure out however you
want this to look. However many automatic qualifiers you want
(07:24):
it to look like? Whoever you can, we just get
to some sort of a resolution, so we could just
focus on what this is going to be and not
what it potentially could be.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Because it feels like it's playing out through the media.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It feels like you've got you know, brett yor Mark,
You've got Greg saying you like, all these people are
taking shots and trying to jockey for position. And I
get it, the revenue, the power, everything that comes along
with it. I just want to know what it's going to,
what it's going to be, and then we go from there.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Don't you think they have to know what it's going
to be before it can be what it's going to be.
I think that that's the very problem of it all
is that I don't feel like they know what they
wanted to be because I don't know that there's a
way to answer what it's supposed to be. And I
think that's the biggest challenge. I think the points that
(08:15):
that Ryan Day pointed out at Highlighted make a ton
of sense. I was just doing an interview with Kei
Johnny Carter, who's on the final ballot to get into
the College Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Good interview with him yesterday.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And you know, I always say, while Rashaan Salaam is,
which coincidentally is my twenty twenty two Hall of Fame brother,
and I still have to maintain the stance if I'm
being true to myself, that I felt like John Carter
should have won the nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Four high He's mean, key, John Carter's not in the
Hall of Fame yet.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
No, no, he's not.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
And he basically says like when he missed like think
about it for as brilliant a year as he had
when he missed out on winning the heisman. Rashaun Salon
won heisman. Generally speaking, the guy that wins the Heisman,
especially if they're a running back and not a quarterback,
they win all of the awards attached and associated with
(09:14):
that person's position. So while he was a unanimous All American,
he doesn't have any awards from that ninety four year
to your point earlier. The reason why I prefaced with
that is Kijana played against Michigan that year, very very
good defense, very good defense. He played against Ohio State
(09:38):
that year, very very stout defense. He played against an
Illinois defense that could arguably be the greatest college defense
of all time, with Dana Howard and Kevin Hardy and
Simeon Rice all on the same team in front seven,
front eight. Two guys won the Buckets Award back to
(09:59):
back years. So when I when I while, I'll say, okay,
this this over here where Rashon Salam is, what was
the level of competition that he was able to break
two thousand yards with where he carried the ball by
the way, I believe it was like one hundred more
times than then ke John Carter did. Like they were
(10:22):
blowing guys out so much. Keijohana wasn't playing but two
or three quarters in the game. But when you talk
about the level of competition, to me, that's what separated
ke John Carter from the rest of the pack by
that year.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Sorry to interrupt, but it should be pointed out, as
you mentioned, Kejhona Carter averaged seven point eight yards to carry.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Can you imagine that?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Ice bro?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
People ask me it is is Sakwuon Barkley the greatest
running back of all time to play at Penn State.
I first of all tell people, if you stop to
take a look at the history of running backs at
Penn State, it's pretty rich in history and some some
legitimate guys that played the position, but I would be
hard pressed to say that any one of them was
(11:09):
ever as iconic or as big bigger than Kei John
the Carter who went, by the way number one overall
to the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So salom had that year, just to just for reference,
had one hundred more carries and about five hundred more yards.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So yeah, so if.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You do if you do the math on that, if
you do the math on that, which because Penn State
had literally three three tailbacks, Mike Archie, Steven Pitts, those.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Guys got a lot of got a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Of burn and and again, like I said, they were
blowing teams out that year and and so Keijana was
probably only playing two to three quarters. But but on
top of that, it was again the level of competition.
So how that applies to what Ryan Day is saying
and what the dilemma is that exist here? The SEC
(12:04):
could make that same that same claim being now a
new major mega conference along with the Big Ten, Both
of those those conferences can make the same argument that
the level of competition when they start conference play is
much harder and it's much more quality than it is
(12:26):
and the other the other conferences that are out there.
So when you're able to make that type of argument
and have that type of discussion point, it now makes
it complicated because if I'm a team in a different conference,
if I'm a coach, I'm left to coach, right, and
ads have to try to figure out the business behind
(12:47):
what conference you're in, the money that comes from it
that you're able to generate, da da da da da
da da, how do you balance it out, How does
it apply to the other sports.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
How much traveling do you have to do?
Speaker 1 (12:57):
What's the expenses versus what's the net revenue that you're
trying to bring in. There's so many different things that
you have to balance out and try to figure out
that's just beyond one aspect of sports. So it's not
going to be an easy answer for what it is
that you have going on in the college playoffs other
than to be honest with you, other than to say,
(13:19):
these are the top two conferences.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
They boast the strongest teams.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
And weighted value of what to type the type of
level competition represents. So these are going to be the
two conferences that get the automatic qualifiers. I mean, until
you can figure out a way to justify it any
other way, how do you how do you wait and
quantify who you're going to put into the playoffs? I
(13:44):
think it might it's just right now, I think it's
kind of too hard to figure out what the right
answer to that is.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, it's just it goes back and forth, and there's
different reports, and they have spring meetings and one commissioner
says this and another says this, and I'm like, man, look,
whatever the determination is, I just want to have something
to look forward to and know what it is we're
going to have when it comes to the playoff. Because
for all the conversation about you know, people's complaints last
(14:14):
year about the Playoff. Man, I love the fact that
we had actual home games. I love the fact that
we had the elements. Like I'm I'm in on the
expanded version of the college football Playoff. I initially wasn't
when it came to the four team I thought, Man,
four teams is enough. There's not that many teams good
enough to compete for a national title. And then the
more I thought about it, the more I realized, Look, ultimately,
(14:35):
they're going to get as many in as possible because
it's about the money. So if that's the case, fine,
just somebody make a decision so we know what we
got and then we can, you know, have the discussions afterwards.
But if they want to put you know, four automatic
qualifiers in from the Big Ten, so be it. If
they want to do the same from the SEC, so
be it. Like whatever they decide on, I'm good with.
I just want to have something to look forward to.
(14:55):
I just want to know what we're going to get
from college football. So yeah, by the way, I'm looking
at uh talk about a pain in the ash year
for ki Jana Carter to have the type of season
he had back then.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean, Rashon Slom had a great year.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I mean ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean again, no shade, zero shade towards Rashon salam
at all. I promise you that nothing but respect, nothing
but admiration for what Rashon salam accomplished. But I'm just saying,
if you take a look at the season that they
had in Penn State and what Keijohna Carter was able
(15:36):
to do in that year and that season with all
the given variables of the teams they played against, I couldn't.
I mean, it was all to me, it was all
but a lock that Kejha Carter was going to be
the second Hall of Fame winner of the school and
our whole entire history Richard history of football, John Capelletti
(15:58):
is the only one that's one a Heisman, And some
of that has a lot to do with the way
Joe handled things as well for Kajana to be that
close to wing winning it. And we're not a school
where the coach or the school really gets behind Historically,
they don't get behind the player and really promote the
(16:19):
player and do Heisman campaigns. That just wasn't Joe's thing,
so he was he was void of any type of
push to get the award, by the way, he was
still up there and the runner up.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That was one of the cool things to get to
see when we were in State College doing the shows
from there in the football building, seeing capal edies Heisman
on display with all the other awards there. But yeah,
I mean, I'm still surprised he's not already in. I mean,
you know, his final year was ninety four. What are
we talking about.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
If you think about it, how is Courtney Brown not
in there either? I feel like both of those guys
should have got in before me. But you know, nonetheless,
it is what it is. It's a very very difficult
so terrified there for certain, and it's a very very
uh it's a strenuous, very very tough process. I mean,
(17:10):
if you look at the ballot this year, that thing
is mean. I mean, that thing is mean. And they'll
pull in a couple guys, like quite a few guys,
like more than what you would assume. But I mean,
listen to this list of guys.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You got.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
You got Flozel Adams, you got Morton Anderson, you got
Eric Anderson, the Michigan linebacker that won the buckets, Brad
Banks the quarterback. Uh, you got Aaron Beasley, the d
back from West Virginia. Eric b Enemy is on the
ballot this year. Alex Brown, Courtney Brown, Daz Bryant.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean, there's it's it's a who's who.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
On this list, Mark Carrier, if you guys are real
football pall Man right, Uh, Dallas Clark.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
I remember, and Mark Carrier was drafted by it. He
had his rookie year with the Bears. He had ten interceptions.
I still remember that.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
I steal be bro and he Marco Coleman.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Mark Carrier could crack.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh he could he bang you?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Now he bang you? Yes, he would straight from Long Beach.
Polly by the way. Uh, you got you got Vernon Davis.
Now here's where it gets interesting. You got Aaron Donald,
you got you got Ken Dorsey, you got uh the
Brickashaw Ferguson. I mean, it's just it's a crazy list.
(18:33):
Kevin Hardy, Casey Hampton. They got r G three on
this bad boy Cam Cam uh Cam Newton is on
on this one.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
So when I tell you who do you say no to? Exactly?
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Like, how do you how do you get in when
you had these type of I mean, you got Richard
Seymour on this one, Takeyo Spikes, Jonathan Stewart, Ken Many,
Jonathan Viillmo Ken Dorsey.
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Ken Dorsey gets out shine because he was on those
great Miami teams.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
But Ken Dorsey was awesome, Like he had a great career.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
He was a catalyst.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah, he was a catalyst.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So I just it's you know, just for me, I
always think about when you go back and you you
chop it up and you look at it at its
bare minimum, It's like what constitutes saying that this person
deserves it more than another person. I just say, when
you look at some of these guys and their body
of work and then you look at the level of competition,
(19:37):
like then that's that makes it, you know, Like I said,
for Kajana Carter, it makes it very very hard to
debate the fact that if you look at hit their
opponents and what they were doing, like I believe Illinois
had the number one defense that year in ninety four
and that man still was able to be the catalyst.
(19:57):
They almost beat them, They almost beat Penn State about
how good their defense was. It was things that like
what Kajana Carter brought to the table was the reason
why they were able to overcome the team. And I
don't know, man, I just it just gives way to
the conversation of with the playoffs, how.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Are you valuing?
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like, are you looking at the top twenty five and
if the top twenty five polls the multiple ones that
are recognized are the ones that are responsible, how are
you valuing and weighing that top twenty five? You know
what I mean versus what the strength of the conference
and the schedule is. It's just to me, I think
it's a very it's a very difficult conclusion to come
(20:41):
to on who's favored more and who should get automatic
qualifiers or bye weeks or whatever it may be. I
just think it's a difficult proposition.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Coming up next here though, somebody in the NFL is
speaking about a serious situation to monitor this upcoming year.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
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Speaker 2 (21:19):
Oh got issues, bruh, Yeah, but you know what I'm.
Speaker 7 (21:22):
Not though, what a slam slappery Moore. It is two
pros eat enough food to be dead. Oh my god,
it is two pros and a cup of joe.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you by the way, coming up a little over fifteen
minutes from now, we are going to hand out an.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Award here on this show.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
All right, it's the season of giving here, so we
are going to hand out an award that'll be yours
here on FSR. So you and I talked about this
last year because it didn't get nearly enough conversation or
coverage that maybe it should have, because there was too
much focus on the other circus that was going on
inside the building. But the story of Jakwan Brisker, Penn
(22:07):
State alum, speaking of it, we mentioned Mark Carrier, who
likes to crack Jaquan Brisker is one.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Of those guys too.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
He'll lay the lumber so much so that he suffered
last year his third concussion in three seasons. And so
you know, say, all right, this is starting to happen
more and more. The problem with the one he suffered
last year was he missed the final twelve games of
the year. He could never get right, and you can
(22:35):
call him a question why he was allowed to stay
in the game.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
He laid the hit.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Before halftime, finished the game, and that it was Later
on that night he reported that he was dealing with
some symptoms and missed the entire season afterwards. So he
is working his way back with the Bears. He is
trying to get back and ready to go. And he
spoke about his journey suffering the concussion, the rehab process
(23:00):
he went through, and sort of what the conversations have
been like when it comes to his future moving forward.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
So I went to a doctor in Pittsburgh and he
basically just explained the type of concussion I had and
told me how.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To retrain it.
Speaker 8 (23:12):
So really just doing exercises and that's really what I
had to do. And then I did farther more later
on when I got to California.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
What kind of concussion did you have?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Benescular? That's what That's what he told me.
Speaker 6 (23:25):
So a lot of talk about you in terms of
your long term health, just because you've had multiple concussions,
and people wondering how durable you are and how long.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
You could withstand this but your head too? Are you
worried about yourself?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, no, I'm not.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm good.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
I'm past that point. I'm really moving on. So I'm
just focused on playing ball. You know, I'm really clear
at man, and you know under I'm really good.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
So were there.
Speaker 6 (23:48):
People telling you, hey, you might want to think about
I don't know, our word retirement or something like that,
like just how serious these have been?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Was that a conversation at all?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Nah?
Speaker 8 (23:58):
No, No, not with no one, especially not myself now
with my parents. Like I feel like if my parents
say something is deep. So if it had come for
nom or come for me, I'm good, I was. No.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I didn't hear it, to be honest.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
So that was a bear safe du to Kwambrisker returning
back from a concussion that caused of miss the final
twelve games of last year, the third of his career,
in his third year, and I would just wonder this
same thing we were wondering about Tuatukobailoa. The likelihood of
him going the rest of his career without another concussion
(24:34):
seems low like it seems it seems low. So what
do you do if it happens again? Like, if it
happens again, do you just hey, as long as he
goes through the process, and like you can't help but
wonder and have the conversation, much like TUA, about if
(24:54):
this is going to happen again, how do we proceed?
And it feels like one of these uncomfortable conversations in
the NFL that maybe no one wants to just acknowledge,
which is, you know what you're signing up for. And
in my mind, if the player is good with it
and he clears whatever protocol there is out there, you
(25:15):
gotta let him go. I just feel like there's going
to be outside voices that are going to get involved
that are don't want to speak on behalf of the
people that aren't actually are on the field going through
this entire process.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
It's a tough conversation to have because in the end,
you know, the reality of it is is that if
he does continue to have indeed have those concussions, what
it truly represents, and it does represent the R word,
it does represent having to go in a different direction
(25:47):
with what it is that you know what your original
plan is you don't want to have any indecision as
a player going into these situations. So for him to
have the mindset that he has, the way that he's responding,
in a lot of ways, it is the right response
because you can't half way at playing the position that
(26:10):
he plays, because then that could ultimately lead to him,
you know, sustaining a different type of injury. I will say,
he's got to figure out how to keep his head
out of the contact zones. So there needs to be
a level of adjustment for him, Jonas in terms of
(26:31):
how he approaches tackling. As you mentioned, he is a thumper,
he's a he's a tall, he's a bigger type of receiver,
I mean, excuse me safety, and he'll come downhill and
he'll hit you like a linebacker would like he had.
He brings force. And when you you're that type of player,
(26:51):
and we mentioned Mark Carrier earlier, when you're that type
of player, you get dinged up. Mark Carrier got dinged up,
Ronnie Lott got dinged up.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I mean, you name some of the bigger hitters. I mean,
Sean Taylor might be the only one I didn't see
get dinged up when he was knocking.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
People's souls out of their bodies. But he's going to
have to.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Jaquan is going to have to figure out a different
approach because he is very close to being in that
danger zone of having to take take a serious inventory.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
On what he's supposed to do next. I'm no way
around that.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And I just if you're already here at this point,
like I don't, it almost feels like you're too far
down the road of it not having to be not
only a concern, but the conversation at least coming out
like if you're the Bears. Because look, Jaquan Briskers when
(27:54):
he's on the fields a good player. Think he's a
really good player. He's a difference maker. And you know
he was second round pick. This is a big year
for him. It's his fourth year. He's gonna want to
look to get an extension or get a payday if
it's not in Chicago somewhere else. And you mentioned, look,
it's his style of play. He even talked about it
like he's just going to continue to play the way
that he plays.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
But if the way that he.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Plays means you're averaging a concussion every single year and
the most recent one caused you to miss twelve games.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
I just don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
What the expectation is other than yeah, it's probably gonna
happen again, Like it's probably gonna have this.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's hard to come. It's hard to have as an organization.
It's hard to have a comfort and confidence in extending
him without there being a whole lot of a whole
lot of contingencies in the in the contract right, like
there has to be protection over the organization making a
(28:54):
financial commitment to him, knowing what the circumstances are, whether
he sustains enough one or not. It just has to
be understood that there's a strong possibility he's a concussion
away from not being available to you ever.
Speaker 4 (29:11):
Again because we had mentioned this when the two of
concussions popped up as he was going through him, and
it's like you almost you almost not cringe, but when
you watch to a play or take a hit, you're
almost going, oh, boy is this. But he's a quarterback
and there are possibilities for to to be able to
(29:31):
avoid a hit like that. I don't know how Jakwan
Brisker avoids this, Like he plays in a contact zone
all game, Like I just don't. And you're almost watching
him as he goes in to make a play on
a ball or make a play on a ball carrier
or lay the lumber.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Again, and you're just kind of boy, is he going
to get up? Is he going to be?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (29:52):
He got up last time and he didn't feel it
until later on that night. It just feels like, if
you're already at the point to where you're having those
questions concerns, is it too late.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't have the answers to that. I just know
that you have to be cognizant of it. You have
to be totally totally aware of these situations because the
long term damage that you're doing to yourself is not
worth whatever it is that you're trying to do in
(30:27):
you know, in the present time, it's just not so.
While I don't have the I'm obviously not qualified to
speak on it from the scientific or medical aspect of it.
As a player, as a former player and someone who
played that style of football where it was very physical
(30:48):
and you made contact, you got to take it into
consideration if they're coming too far or excuse me, too
close and too frequent with what you have going on
and every time you hit somebody, it's you're getting shook
loose and and you're having those symptoms.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
It's just not long term. It's just for me.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I just don't see how you can take the chance
of impacting yourself further than what you already had.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
How many did you have in your career?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
You no, I would.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I would that I that I knew I had, like
had them and knew I had it.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Because there was the one in lambeau Field right where
you hit your head.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, I have my head off the turf. Definitely got
one there.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I got one against Philadelphia my rookie year when I
hit Brian Mitchell. I tell that story a lot. Tim
By Akabatuca neat me in my head. That was one.
What's that three right there? I believe I had like
four logged concussions during my entire career.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Now four At what point or did you you find
yourself after a concussion You're like, all right, I got
to change the way I play.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
So I'm telling you that's the scary part of it.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Because it's kind of what he is, like, this is
who he is.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Well, if your mentality is that of I'm a warrior,
I'm a thumpers. That's what's a part of what I do. Then, Yeah,
but you can still do that and not bang your
head up. You really can. I mean there are ways,
Like for me when I got I didn't get concussions
based off of the way I hit, Like the one,
(32:37):
the one concussion that when I hit Brian Mitchell. I mean,
that's just law of physics. Like I'm coming down Phiel
one hundred miles per hour. He gets the ball and
he's starting up Phield and he hadn't quite got the
one hundred miles per hour yet, but he was running.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Full close to full speed and I.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Collided with him and my you know, I hit him
in a way where my head took the brunt of
the you know, the contact that might have been the
only one. The tim biaka Patuca one, he need me
in my head like I was in the hole going
to make the tackle. He was running and his knees
were going up and they need me in the side
of my head. Boom. That's not you know, you can't
(33:18):
do anything about that. The one in lambeau Field, I
hit Brett Farv. Bruce Smith hits him at the same time,
so we're colliding and I fall off of Brett and
hit my head the back of my head off of
Lambeau Field. It was so cold that day that when
I hit my head off of it just gave me
a concussion.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
So it wasn't even like the things that I did.
Speaker 9 (33:43):
Tackling freak occurrences on yes, yeah, yeah, I mean so
there's no real way you can get out of And
that's why when people talk about can too avoid it
or now we're talking about Jakwan Brisker, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Like when you understand it that way and you're out there,
it's hard to ever be able to guarantee whatever it
is adjustments you're going to make, whether it be your equipment,
whether it be the way you play. It's hard to
avoid things that can happen, like like concussions in full
contact sports.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
And there's also the element, as we touched on, that
he's going to play the way he plays, that he
knows how to play and you can try and adjust.
You see it him boxing sometimes remember Arturro Gotti, one
of the greats. Artural Gotti's one of the most entertaining fighters. Yeah,
because he would be in these firefights with guys and
there was a point to where he was like, Okay,
I gotta be smarter about how I engage. I gotta,
(34:40):
you know, use my defense a little bit. I've got
the skill set to do this. I can't just go
out there with reckless abandon and then you'd get hit
one time and be like.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
F it, let's go get it.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Yeah, Like that's just it's just who he was and
that's why people loved him.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Brain got shook, luc bro I used to do Fight
Night in DC with under Armour every year. And let
me tell you something. The boxers they I would say,
they got it the worst out of everybody. Broyep.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
Like when you see the.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Legends walking around and kind of the condition that they
be in. Sometimes mans be sad, bro Like, they be
so like they be so beat up, like they the
brain just so beat.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Up, you know. I see that. I see it a
lot in.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
The older older football players, Like the older generation, they
didn't have as much protection over them and safety awareness
over them as as more recent players. So you'll see
some older players man, and it's it be sad, yeah,
you know. And technology is so much different now as well.
(35:51):
So I don't know, man, you know, but I wish
I'm all the best I know Jakwan, love them to death.
Super awesome dude, super dope dude, plays the game the
way the game is supposed to be played. I just
hope that he is very, very aware and very mindful
of what it is that you know, he needs to
do for the betterment of himself and the safety of himself,
(36:11):
which I believe he will.
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Speaker 2 (38:01):
So let me u.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Let me just go ahead and take a gander here
at at the end.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
What's your take?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
I'm just I want to see. Based on.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Draft Kings, okay, shake Gilders, Alexander is the overwhelming favorite
to be MVP of the NBA Finals. He's a minus
six hundred, which is preposterous, but that's the feeling a
lot of people have that. Okay, so he's gonna run
away with this thing, Pascal Siak. I'm sitting there at
sixteen to one, all right, sixteen to one. If you
(38:32):
think he's going to continue continue his rise, but as
you pointed out, maybe Tyrese Haliburton's got a little red
ass over.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
He might.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So he's sitting there, be all about.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Self right now. You will not do that to me again.
There will be no mistakes to be made.
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Uh yeah, so we will. We'll get to see how
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