June 10, 2025 • 40 mins
The Browns should name Sheduer Sanders the backup right now, or else they’ll be in a bad spot. Mike Vrabel wants Drake Maye to be a more vocal leader, but is that something that can be developed? The 2nd year QB’s are more interesting than this year’s crop. Plus, an oldie but a good, ‘Would You Rather?’
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the way up until nine am Eastern time six o'clock
Pacific here on this Tuesday morning. And we were during
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one of the breaks, we were looking up at the
TV and noticing that the coverage of a certain team
and player seems to have really really ramped up and
seems to really really focus in and hone in on
one player in particular, and it's not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
LaVar.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You actually pinpointed this and spotted this. So I'll let
you take the reins on maybe some people feeling some
shame in the in and around the NFL based on
the new coverage of a potential starting quarter event.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I just think that coming out of the draft, it's
almost like the coverage of the draft was based off
of what was happening with Shador Sanders nothing else. Like
there's not one storyline that people can go back and
say this was a dominating storyline from start to finish
outside of the Shador Sanders conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So if you're by all stretches of the imagination, you're
the media that's you. You're sensationalizing, you're covering, you're leveraging,
you are benefiting off of someone else's misfortune, and whether
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it was true or not, the narrative is so strong
and so guided by the influence of the people that
are connected to Chador, namely is Pops that I believe
coming out of the draft scenario, the narrative created a
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feeling and a sense of shame, And I think that
the media felt a certain type of way. Media members felt,
in particular, felt a certain type of way. They've said
it as much. And these are influential people you're talking
about the likes of Stephen A. Smith and and guys
like uh, you know who's who's the draft specialists.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Kuiper Like you know you have all these other guys
as well Sanders Jr. So you get into.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Training or excuse me, the OTAs and and them being
on the field and what have you seen the entire time,
whether it be social media or whether it be the
reporting on the news, it's where what's going on with
Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What other team are we talking about the fourth string guy?
There's no other team we're talking about the fourth string guy.
In fact, I would venture to say most of the
other teams we're not even talking about their first string guys.
It's a very very interesting dynamic that's that's developing here.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
What I truly believe is taking place is that you're.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Seeing footage and content of Shador Sanders constantly being fed
to you. And it's the passes. Name one incomplete pass
you've seen them throw.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I saw a tipped interception, but that was on Twitter.
I did not.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I have not seen not one bad play of Shador
Sanders making the round circulating on television on social I
haven't seen one. So if you caught a tip, good
for you because you saw something that most people aren't seeing.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But to your point though, and whether there was an incompletion,
a deflected interception, a touch like whatever he threw a
slant route and for a complete the fact that we're
seeing it on seven on seven, yeah, on air. The
fact that we're seeing Kelly like the way that we
are you're being fed, is telling you're being fed Shador
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Sanders moving the offense up and down the field, getting
them into the end zone, making completions. And listen, I'm
not here to try to put shadors.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Down at all. It's just an observation. Let me be
clear on that. This isn't me saying this like you
should hate Shador Sanders or hate Dion. That's in fact,
it's total opposite. I'm a fan of them. I'm not
against them. I'm a fan of them, but this is
an observation as a media person and is that the
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stage is being set for Cleveland to be trapped. They're
they're in And maybe that's why you saw the looks
on them people's faces when they drafted, because for good
or for bet, they're trapped.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think part of it was tell me if this
is a crazy thought. Clearly it was a Jimmy Haslm decision.
I think part of the motivation was this helps drown
out some of the negative coverage over the Deshaun Watson
debacle because, as you pointed out, this is all we're seeing.
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Have you seen any Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Have you seen any of his throws? Have you seen
any of his throws?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I don't even know. Dylan Gabriel could have changed and
gone right handed in camp. I would have known. Is
he still on the team? Where's he at? Ain't seen
at from? And also, you don't hear a damn thing
about Deshaun Watson to you other than his bachelor party.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The one thing we saw with with come on the starter,
who's the starting? The one thing we saw with Joe
Flacco is him saying he doesn't want to be a mentor.
He's there to start and then the the the highlight
of him and Shador Sanders and Chador was doing some
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type of dance and was trying to get Flaco to
do the dance and Flaco was like, I'm gonna go
throw this ball like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go
qqb this this this player two. You know, it's just
interesting because Cleveland is in a bad, bad, bad spot.
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If if Shador Sanders isn't what, at at worst, the backup,
they are going to fry the media because of what
I think, because of what they feel coming out of
the draft and how they covered it and how they've
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been shamed and made to feel like y'all took advantage
of Shador Sanders. Y'all drove a whole entire draft off
of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And they're right, whoever saying it, you're right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If Shador Sanders at worse isn't the backup on this team,
there's going to be hell to pay through the media at.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Best if he.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
If if I am the head coach, the GM and
the owner of this team, I'm naming Shador Sanders my
starter today to day. You know why Joe Flacco love
you to death. You gave us a good, good, good
little run. You're a raven chick Rocks, Kenny Pickett. You
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ain't shown us that you that good at all. You
here for an insurance policy, Kick Rocks, Dylan Gabriel. We
took you with the third pick, third round pick. We
feel really good about what you could possibly be. But
do we ever see you as a starter?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's a strong possibility that you're not a starter for
our franchise. It's a very strong possibility. But my goodness,
you probably can be a really really good backup for
us at some point in time. If I'm the Cleveland Browns.
If you're looking at the coverage of Shador Sanders and
the way all of this is kind of being properly
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placed on the table, you about to get served. If
you don't see this coming, just name him the starter today.
Name him the starter, and let him do what he's
going to do for good, good, for bad or worse
whatever it is allowed for him to do it because
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you drafted him. You drafted him, and it makes you
start to think, did he drop in the draft because
of his talent or did he drop in the draft
because of his fame. That's the conclusion I've been coming
to lately. It's his fame and it's his influence. You
do not want when you hurt Stephen, they call that
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man comparable to Colin Kaepernick. You have now made this
a racial cultural comparison in terms of why this man
isn't being respected as a talent. You've taken it out
of the realm of being a player and being a
pro and you've placed it in the social and cultural
expectations of a cultural and social and racially driven and
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activated America.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right now, it's dangerousus. The conversations surrounding Shador have kind
of muddied the waters on the evaluation of Shador, and
I don't know how to separate the two from the
standpoint of I'm not sure if he dropped in the
draft because of talent or because of other stuff off
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the field, because it's not like he's been don't I
don't recall him every getting arrested. I don't recall him
ever getting suspended. I think they just are very vocal,
very confident, and the Colorado program felt like a rock
concert or a rap concert every time.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You went there, and it literally was.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They literally had concert, So there was just there was
a spectacle surrounding it for a team that didn't really
do anything. Ether then improved significantly upon what they were
before he got there and before his dad took over.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Where the value of him is as a player, and
and I don't know what to really legitimately expect as
far as his role with this team, because if we
get to the regular season and he's the third stringer
and or they've got him, you know, sitting third string
and and he's you know, not suiting up for games, Yeah,
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I don't. But it's think about the pressure you're putting
on the starter, Think about the pressure you're putting on
the backup. Oh look, I brought it up to Albert
Breer last week and it was just like, hey, man,
I mean, if you're Stefanski, you're kind you're in a
tough spot, dude like you, You've now been given right
or wrong, two quarterbacks and a quarterback situation from your owner.
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One of them is impossible to succeed with because Deshaun
Watson is not even playing anymore, and the other.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You're damned if you do you damned if you don't.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
If you start Joe Flacco and it's not going to
be shit or Sanders, then people are gonna be like, well,
you're gonna get You're gonna get pressure from well, I
mean you're you're kind of a middle of the road team.
Why not give the young guy a shot. I'm on
the storylines connected to that. How many different directions and
angles can you come from talking about how the Cleveland
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Browns have handled that position in particular.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
People can say whatever they want about preseason football, tell
me you're not gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Those preseason games for the Brows this year. I'm in.
I want to see him play. I want to see
how this goes.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It makes it makes the It's just the expectation, the
the the amount of attention as you're you're mentioning.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It just raises the stakes so high.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And it's a fifth round draft pick, a fifth round
draft pick, and he has been We have seen more
highlights on ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports, Fox Sports FS one.
We have seen more highlights of chort And this is
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important to understand this piece of it because this small
detail of it will become a ginormous detail as we
move forward. You are seeing oversaturated coverage of a fifth
round draft pick completing passes over and over and over
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and over again. You're watching a fifth rounder in practice,
not the game, not a game, not full pads, He's
in practice.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And they keep showing you clips like.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You think of the one where the dude dove and
cut it going into the end zone, like they're creating
NFL film highlights of Chadors playing ball in practice and OTAs,
we ain't even got the training cat. This ain't even
training cat. Can you imagine the coverage on Shador Sanders
when they get to training camp. They're going to have
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a Shador Sanders camp.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Look, I know that it was impossible because of whatever
rules or restrictions it has, But that's why I said
at the time, if you were HBO, if you could
swap out the bills for the Browns on hard knocks,
would you not do it? Like it'd be the best
rated hard knocks they've had in years? Because people want
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to see how this plays out. Man, how many how
many completions have you seen cam Ward throw the number
one pick in OTAs?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I haven't seen one. Yeah, I have not seen one. Hot,
I don't even.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Know if Jackson Darts picked up a football yet, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I've seen Jackson Dark getting a lot of love and
a lot of coverage from the media, especially from like
the social media team of the Giants.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like I pay.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Attention to all this stuff. I sit on my phone
and I look at all the stuff going on, what's
hitting the algorithms and all this and sports and DA
DA DA and NFL or NBA.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I look at all these things. I'd look all day long.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Shador Sanders, the coverage on him is wold.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It is w I L. D. Wild.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm telling you think about you're gonna stop. Everybody who's listening.
You're gonna stop. You're gonna take a moment, and then
you're gonna take inventory, and then you're gonna realize that
Shador Sanders is being positioned to all of you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To be the guy for the Cleveland Browns, and if he's.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Not, it is going to be every single reason he
was let down. There will not be one person that
says Shador Sanders isn't the starter or the backup because
somebody actually was better than him. Now, whether it's true
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or not, I think the travesty here. Honestly, here is
the true travesty of this situation. Shador Sanders is a
hell of a football player. That young man can play
some football. He's been a clutch kid since eighth grade.
I know it because he played in my game. The
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problem that's going to take place here is that same
pressure that is going to be applied to the Cleveland
Browns and to the starting quarterback or who's ever in
front of them. Multiply that by however many fold you
want to as to what that's going to look like
for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Because just as much as.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They'll build you up in these types of moments, we
paid it off. We paid it off. We did what
we were supposed to do. We hoard you, draft came,
we used you, we rode you, We attached to the
carts to Shador Sanders, and he delivered for our draft.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This year. You've been paid. We're even he gets in there, whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Comes next is going to be based upon what his
results are.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
When he gets that. If he gets that opportunity, it's almost.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Seemingly better that he not get an opportunity immediately, because
he'll get more fanfare for being victimized. Than he will
be for being the starter for the team. That's what's
being set up. That's all of this. That's the travesty,
because if he really is good, then he should be
able to have the fair opportunity to be measured and
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weighed as being really good. I don't know that there.
It's an environment that's being creative for him to have
a fair opportunity one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's too far down the road. It's too far down
the road. And it goes back to that same discussion.
Sometimes backups, if they're too loud, aren't good backups. It's
almost to the point to where if he's named the
number two behind Joe Flacco, all the questions are going
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to be when's he gonna get a chance. The Browns
are sitting at you know, I don't know four and eight.
They can outplay it. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I would venture to say they might be undefeated, and
they still be saying they'd be better. They're setting themselves
up for failure and then the moment they lose, why
are you going to be saying, I told you if
Shador was in there, they wouldn't they wouldn't have lost
that one game, and meanwhile, Jimmy Hasmum's like, don't have
to hear about the Sean anymore now you didn't, you
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didn't brought in another one, Hey, that's all it needs,
and brought in another one. It is And this is
not Shador Sanders, by the way, this has absolutely nothing
to do with blaming Shador Sanders. This has everything to
do with how media works, how politics work, how influencing works.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And that's where we live. This is this is where
we live right now.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Is that a fifth round draft pick is so influential
because of how strong and how clearly defined his brand is,
that it has created this type of coverage, and that
coverage will ultimately be the undoing of the Cleveland Browns
this year if they're not careful.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Damn right, Two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox
Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming
up next though, we are going to get into a
conversation about leadership, all right, leadership in the NFL, because
somebody else is getting drowned out amongst all the other
quarterback conversations. You're gonna hear about it next here on
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Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, you can't go five minutes without it popping
up on the television.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Olait Deshaun Watson's only twenty nine?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Ab what's it a year for? Every accusation? Every other minute?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Brouh.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up a
little over fifteen minutes from now. We are going to
a dust off, an oldie but a goodie here on
the show that'll be yours. On the FSR, we were
talking about quarterbacks in the NFL, most notably shout or
say Andrews is getting all sorts of coverage, all sorts
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of publicity. There's also another quarterback who finds himself in
an interesting spot.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Uh oh.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That quarterback is Drake May who is the quarterback of
the New England Patriots. Mike Rabel's the brand new head
coach there. It's a new era of Patriots football, so
to speak because they decided Drod Mayo after a year,
after Bill Belichick after twenty something years, just wasn't working.
They bring in Mike Rabel. He's the guy. And now
there's the discussion about Drake May, the leadership of Drake
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May and how does it look there in New England,
and here was Mike Rabel discussing it.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
There is a lot of room to grow. I think
there's a lot of natural leadership qualities. I think I
have to encourage him and continue to encourage him and
to put him in those positions to do that so
that the players understand.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know that there's a different version of all of us.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
There's one that's maybe off the field, that there's one
in the meeting room, and then there's a version on
the field which we all have to understand is somewhat
different than what it may be off the field.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So the reason this come up is because I guess
they're going through some unique drills some ways to try
and get Drake made to be more vocal as a
leader to take on that role. And my question is this, Oh,
can you manufacture that? Can you actually build that or
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do you just have it? And you've played with enough
quarterbacks during the course of your.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
To be more vocal, to be more of a leader.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Generally speaking, that is something that you either have and
you just need to develop it, or you don't and
that's just not your way. Like people used to get
upset with Jeff George. I remember him being my teammate.
Jeff was a cool ass dude, Holitzer for an arm,
but he wasn't like a raw, raw guy, and he's
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not gonna like he might talk to you and you
might have a conversation with him, like, hey, how you
doing da da dad?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Is that other? You good?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All right, sweet man? Have a good one like da
da da. That's about it. He's not going to be
a raw ruw. Come on, y'all like da da da
da da, Like let's go, let's do this, blase blah like.
He's not that type of guy. Some guys are just
not wired that way for one reason or another.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's just their nature. That's just the way that they are.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I don't believe you can teach a guy to You
can help them to be more vocal as it can
help you with what's going on on the field, but
as it applies to like being a leader, I think
either you have that and somebody helps you you develop
that as you go, or you don't and you have
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to figure out what's the best way for you to lead.
Because if you're a quarterback, bottom line is you have
to be the leader. You're the facto leader. So you
have to understand the amount of expectation and responsibility that's
connect to the position you play. If if you're insufficiencies
as a person, or maybe not even insufficiencies, but maybe
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the things that aren't your strengths are something that would
hold you back from being at the highest of level
playing the position, then play a different position.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like nobody says you have to.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean there's eleven different positions you don't, and I
mean there's more because there's special teams. You don't have
to put yourself in a position where you're you fail
to achieve what you're trying to achieve, because what you're
not a vocal leader, like I don't know, Like to me,
being vocal is crazy. I had this conversation I was
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I was doing work with men and we were going
over counting. We're sun we were we were counting learning
how like the count receivers, like you start from the right,
you start from the outside one two, where's number three
you start? If you're lined on the left, the same
exact thing. One and two is always going to be
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pretty much unless you have a one receiver side, you're
going to count from the outside one. Start from the
outside one, all right, both both linebackers safeties, they're going
to count from the outsides. So if you have say
you have twin sets, you have two receivers on the
left side, you have two receivers on the right side,
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and you have a back in the backfield, right, you
count one, two, and then three is in the backfield.
Same thing for the other linebacker. You count from the
outside one two, three is in the backfield. Now here's
where it gets confusing. If they shift, if they motion.
That's why teams shift, they motion, because you're basing your
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coverage off of the numbers and the alignments of the players.
So just understanding and learning those things, you'll be out
there and you'll be.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like, all right, all right, here we go threes in
the back.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Watch watch full flow set, full flow set meaning or
you know, match match it up, match it up meaning
if one and two cross within a certain like say
five yards, they cross each other, then the number one
receiver becomes the number two receiver. The number two receiver,
what comes the number one becomes the number one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
How about that? So then now you've matched them, you've
matched it. Or you'll say lock it up, lock it up. Locking.
So I got number two man, he's got number number
one man.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
The backer over here, he's got that back. He's got
number three man. So if we say lock it up,
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Lock it up? So what does that mean? You got man?
So what does that mean? You got man?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Man? You stay on the man you're covering at the
start of the play, not matching, not switching.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
If they cross, you have to be able to day
on that man.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So the point I'm making is for a quarterback, all
of these different things that the receivers need to know,
or the linemen need to know, or the running back
needs to know.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You gotta be communicating.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You got to be able to really really verbalize what
it is that the center needs to know.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
The conversation between you and the center.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You may look at your tackle, whatever it may be,
You're going to identify the backer. There's the backer, backer,
backer forty three, forty three, right, you got to be
able to communicate. Now, if we're talking strictly communication of
what you're supposed to do within your responsibilities of being
a quarterback, you.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Need to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You need to be able to communicate, You need to
be able to give the plays. You need to be
able to make sure you're letting guys know that this
is the right thing to do. And that's what made
Peyton Manning to me, the greatest. Here's the greatest at that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So when you're one of those guys, that's one thing.
Are you communicating that way, because that is necessary.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But if you're getting out there and you're like, beat
his ass, let's go, let's go, Like like Brady Kim
comes out and he's head button dude, he's like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, everybody isn't coming out with that type of energy.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
And that's and when you try to force a guy
who doesn't have that that way about him, it seems forced.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, it seems disingenuous. It's not. To me. That's not
a win.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, That's why I wonder if there are people that
are with the Patriots who were there last year when
he's a rookie, will they will if they see him
going above and beyond to try and show this new
leadership style.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Or be more vocal. Are there going to be people.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
In the locker room that are like, yeah, whatever, dude,
Like we were here last year, like this is not
like that. You're trying way too hard. I just wonder
if I just wonder if people there will see through
the effort and instead of looking at it like, hey,
he's making a concerted effort to try and be more
vocal and be more of a leader, they look at
(30:04):
it and go, yeah, but he's like making an effort
to be something he's not.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
If he's not being like a d bag to his teammates,
they'll probably support them. They want to win, he wants
to win, they'll probably support them. But if it's like
coming across like as d baggage, then it's like that's
what that's when you start to get into those types
of conversations like hey, bro, like relax man, like relax
(30:29):
with all that, Like nobody got no time for that.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Take that somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I do think the quarterbacks entering year two are more
interesting than the rookie quarterbacks this year. Other than the
standpoint of a shad or Sanders, which we discussed. But
I'm curious to see what cam Ward does well, I
really am, like, I'm curious to see. But you know,
my my expectations aren't all that high because I think that,
(30:58):
but I look at the quarter back centering year two.
Can jayde and Daniels Daniels do it again? He did,
Caleb Williams now has Ben Johnson, Drake May's got Mike Grave, which, by.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
The way, Cayleb Williams had a very good season. He
had a fine season. If if Jaydon Daniels isn't lights
out the way that he is, it's a foregone conclusion
that Kayleb Williams would have been the Rookie of the
Year and would have been you know, he was.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Much better than people acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But at but the problem that you had a camp,
the stand and the standalone games that you saw were meltdowns,
like whether it be the Thanksgiving Game all the other
stuff that went along with and he struggled early and
he you know, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
It was a clown show there last year in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But if you just think you had a camp and
having the comp and Jaydon Daniels made it easy to
look at Caleb Williams and start to point out all
of his fault versus look at what he was doing positive.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
It's almost as if you've got three rookie quarterbacks entering
year two in the NFL, because Drake May's got a
brand new coach in a new regime. Same with Caleb Williams,
and JJ McCarthy hasn't played yet, so and.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know he's the most intriguing out of all of them.
JJ McCarthy will have the most coverage early on. Now
what he does with it will dictate whether that coverage
stays intensified or falls off if he is really good,
which I think everybody's anticipating JJ McCarthy to be a
(32:26):
really good quarterback for the Vikings because of everything that
didn't happen and the few things that did. And so
to me, it's like, were you fighting time with Sam
Darnold and you knew this is fighting time, And so
we're going to just go ahead and go with JJ
McCarthy because we feel like we're able to have a
(32:47):
level of sustained success putting him in at the starter
now and not having there be any road to have
to pave to get there. That makes his situation to
me out of the year two guys like Jaydon Daniels,
that will be intriguing to see if he can continue
that one hundred because he had an amazing season. Caleb Williams,
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I think because he's a polarizing figure, you know, there's
a lot of other things that people focus in on.
I think that that'll play a part and why he
is a very, very covered and watched quarterback going into
his sophomore season. I think that makes a ton of sense.
But because of what happened with Darnald, because of what
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happened with Aaron Rodgers, and because he's coming off an
injury and didn't play based off of the injury, which
by the way, he was in front of Darnald before
the injury. So I think that there's going to be
a lot of coverage on McCarthy to see what was
the whole reason for everything falling into place the way
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that it did.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
He also won't get.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
The benefit of the doubt because everybody looks at Minnesota
like a turnkey operation, so much so that Caleb Williams
wanted to go there, as we found out, and so
did Aaron Rodgers. Because everybody notices Oh yeah, they're kind
of loaded. And Kevin O'Connell's a really respected offensive mind.
So JJ McCarthy like has to be, has to hit
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the ground running or else all the other conversations will
stir up, and he's not gonna They're not going to
cut him any slack off. He struggles like other places
would when you can blame the pieces around you. The
pieces around him are pretty good, so much so that
Sam Darnald got a you know, an extension or a
contract from c and he's the comp.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, Sam Donald will be the comp. Everything that JJ
McCarthy does this year, the comp is going to be
what Sam Donald did the year prior.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
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I believe now, I don't know.
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Would you rather have Alexander Jalen Ramsey on your team?
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Guys, would you rather.
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By used underwear or a used toothbrush?
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I'd rather use my finger, by the way.
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You know who would return their underwear? Lee, Rob Parker, Oh.
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Would he wear used underwear if you got a good
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Clean public toilet. But I don't care if the toilet
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Yeah. Hello, that's probably the cleanest that hundred dollars bill
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Why all I gotta do is get it out without
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on this three hour journey, we will take you all
the way up until nine am Eastern time six o'clock
Pacific here on this Tuesday morning. And we were during
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one of the breaks, we were looking up at the
TV and noticing that the coverage of a certain team
and player seems to have really really ramped up and
seems to really really focus in and hone in on
one player in particular, and it's not Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
LaVar.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
You actually pinpointed this and spotted this. So I'll let
you take the reins on maybe some people feeling some
shame in the in and around the NFL based on
the new coverage of a potential starting quarter event.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I just think that coming out of the draft, it's
almost like the coverage of the draft was based off
of what was happening with Shador Sanders nothing else. Like
there's not one storyline that people can go back and
say this was a dominating storyline from start to finish
outside of the Shador Sanders conversation.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
So if you're by all stretches of the imagination, you're
the media that's you. You're sensationalizing, you're covering, you're leveraging,
you are benefiting off of someone else's misfortune, and whether
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it was true or not, the narrative is so strong
and so guided by the influence of the people that
are connected to Chador, namely is Pops that I believe
coming out of the draft scenario, the narrative created a
(03:08):
feeling and a sense of shame, And I think that
the media felt a certain type of way. Media members felt,
in particular, felt a certain type of way. They've said
it as much. And these are influential people you're talking
about the likes of Stephen A. Smith and and guys
like uh, you know who's who's the draft specialists.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Kuiper Like you know you have all these other guys
as well Sanders Jr. So you get into.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Training or excuse me, the OTAs and and them being
on the field and what have you seen the entire time,
whether it be social media or whether it be the
reporting on the news, it's where what's going on with
Shador Sanders?
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:59):
What other team are we talking about the fourth string guy?
There's no other team we're talking about the fourth string guy.
In fact, I would venture to say most of the
other teams we're not even talking about their first string guys.
It's a very very interesting dynamic that's that's developing here.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
What I truly believe is taking place is that you're.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Seeing footage and content of Shador Sanders constantly being fed
to you. And it's the passes. Name one incomplete pass
you've seen them throw.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I saw a tipped interception, but that was on Twitter.
I did not.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I have not seen not one bad play of Shador
Sanders making the round circulating on television on social I
haven't seen one. So if you caught a tip, good
for you because you saw something that most people aren't seeing.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But to your point though, and whether there was an incompletion,
a deflected interception, a touch like whatever he threw a
slant route and for a complete the fact that we're
seeing it on seven on seven, yeah, on air. The
fact that we're seeing Kelly like the way that we
are you're being fed, is telling you're being fed Shador
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Sanders moving the offense up and down the field, getting
them into the end zone, making completions. And listen, I'm
not here to try to put shadors.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Down at all. It's just an observation. Let me be
clear on that. This isn't me saying this like you
should hate Shador Sanders or hate Dion. That's in fact,
it's total opposite. I'm a fan of them. I'm not
against them. I'm a fan of them, but this is
an observation as a media person and is that the
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stage is being set for Cleveland to be trapped. They're
they're in And maybe that's why you saw the looks
on them people's faces when they drafted, because for good
or for bet, they're trapped.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I think part of it was tell me if this
is a crazy thought. Clearly it was a Jimmy Haslm decision.
I think part of the motivation was this helps drown
out some of the negative coverage over the Deshaun Watson
debacle because, as you pointed out, this is all we're seeing.
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Have you seen any Dylan Gabriel?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Have you seen any of his throws? Have you seen
any of his throws?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
I don't even know. Dylan Gabriel could have changed and
gone right handed in camp. I would have known. Is
he still on the team? Where's he at? Ain't seen
at from? And also, you don't hear a damn thing
about Deshaun Watson to you other than his bachelor party.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
The one thing we saw with with come on the starter,
who's the starting? The one thing we saw with Joe
Flacco is him saying he doesn't want to be a mentor.
He's there to start and then the the the highlight
of him and Shador Sanders and Chador was doing some
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type of dance and was trying to get Flaco to
do the dance and Flaco was like, I'm gonna go
throw this ball like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go
qqb this this this player two. You know, it's just
interesting because Cleveland is in a bad, bad, bad spot.
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If if Shador Sanders isn't what, at at worst, the backup,
they are going to fry the media because of what
I think, because of what they feel coming out of
the draft and how they covered it and how they've
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been shamed and made to feel like y'all took advantage
of Shador Sanders. Y'all drove a whole entire draft off
of Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
And they're right, whoever saying it, you're right.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
If Shador Sanders at worse isn't the backup on this team,
there's going to be hell to pay through the media at.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Best if he.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
If if I am the head coach, the GM and
the owner of this team, I'm naming Shador Sanders my
starter today to day. You know why Joe Flacco love
you to death. You gave us a good, good, good
little run. You're a raven chick Rocks, Kenny Pickett. You
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ain't shown us that you that good at all. You
here for an insurance policy, Kick Rocks, Dylan Gabriel. We
took you with the third pick, third round pick. We
feel really good about what you could possibly be. But
do we ever see you as a starter?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It's a strong possibility that you're not a starter for
our franchise. It's a very strong possibility. But my goodness,
you probably can be a really really good backup for
us at some point in time. If I'm the Cleveland Browns.
If you're looking at the coverage of Shador Sanders and
the way all of this is kind of being properly
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placed on the table, you about to get served. If
you don't see this coming, just name him the starter today.
Name him the starter, and let him do what he's
going to do for good, good, for bad or worse
whatever it is allowed for him to do it because
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you drafted him. You drafted him, and it makes you
start to think, did he drop in the draft because
of his talent or did he drop in the draft
because of his fame. That's the conclusion I've been coming
to lately. It's his fame and it's his influence. You
do not want when you hurt Stephen, they call that
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man comparable to Colin Kaepernick. You have now made this
a racial cultural comparison in terms of why this man
isn't being respected as a talent. You've taken it out
of the realm of being a player and being a
pro and you've placed it in the social and cultural
expectations of a cultural and social and racially driven and
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activated America.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Right now, it's dangerousus. The conversations surrounding Shador have kind
of muddied the waters on the evaluation of Shador, and
I don't know how to separate the two from the
standpoint of I'm not sure if he dropped in the
draft because of talent or because of other stuff off
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the field, because it's not like he's been don't I
don't recall him every getting arrested. I don't recall him
ever getting suspended. I think they just are very vocal,
very confident, and the Colorado program felt like a rock
concert or a rap concert every time.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
You went there, and it literally was.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
They literally had concert, So there was just there was
a spectacle surrounding it for a team that didn't really
do anything. Ether then improved significantly upon what they were
before he got there and before his dad took over.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
So I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Where the value of him is as a player, and
and I don't know what to really legitimately expect as
far as his role with this team, because if we
get to the regular season and he's the third stringer
and or they've got him, you know, sitting third string
and and he's you know, not suiting up for games, Yeah,
(12:23):
I don't. But it's think about the pressure you're putting
on the starter, Think about the pressure you're putting on
the backup. Oh look, I brought it up to Albert
Breer last week and it was just like, hey, man,
I mean, if you're Stefanski, you're kind you're in a
tough spot, dude like you, You've now been given right
or wrong, two quarterbacks and a quarterback situation from your owner.
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One of them is impossible to succeed with because Deshaun
Watson is not even playing anymore, and the other.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You're damned if you do you damned if you don't.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
If you start Joe Flacco and it's not going to
be shit or Sanders, then people are gonna be like, well,
you're gonna get You're gonna get pressure from well, I
mean you're you're kind of a middle of the road team.
Why not give the young guy a shot. I'm on
the storylines connected to that. How many different directions and
angles can you come from talking about how the Cleveland
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Browns have handled that position in particular.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
People can say whatever they want about preseason football, tell
me you're not gonna watch.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Those preseason games for the Brows this year. I'm in.
I want to see him play. I want to see
how this goes.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
It makes it makes the It's just the expectation, the
the the amount of attention as you're you're mentioning.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It just raises the stakes so high.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
And it's a fifth round draft pick, a fifth round
draft pick, and he has been We have seen more
highlights on ESPN, NFL Network, Fox Sports, Fox Sports FS one.
We have seen more highlights of chort And this is
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important to understand this piece of it because this small
detail of it will become a ginormous detail as we
move forward. You are seeing oversaturated coverage of a fifth
round draft pick completing passes over and over and over
(14:30):
and over again. You're watching a fifth rounder in practice,
not the game, not a game, not full pads, He's
in practice.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
And they keep showing you clips like.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
You think of the one where the dude dove and
cut it going into the end zone, like they're creating
NFL film highlights of Chadors playing ball in practice and OTAs,
we ain't even got the training cat. This ain't even
training cat. Can you imagine the coverage on Shador Sanders
when they get to training camp. They're going to have
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a Shador Sanders camp.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Look, I know that it was impossible because of whatever
rules or restrictions it has, But that's why I said
at the time, if you were HBO, if you could
swap out the bills for the Browns on hard knocks,
would you not do it? Like it'd be the best
rated hard knocks they've had in years? Because people want
(15:34):
to see how this plays out. Man, how many how
many completions have you seen cam Ward throw the number
one pick in OTAs?
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I haven't seen one. Yeah, I have not seen one. Hot,
I don't even.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Know if Jackson Darts picked up a football yet, I
have no idea.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
I haven't.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I've seen Jackson Dark getting a lot of love and
a lot of coverage from the media, especially from like
the social media team of the Giants.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
Like I pay.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Attention to all this stuff. I sit on my phone
and I look at all the stuff going on, what's
hitting the algorithms and all this and sports and DA
DA DA and NFL or NBA.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
I look at all these things. I'd look all day long.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Shador Sanders, the coverage on him is wold.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It is w I L. D. Wild.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm telling you think about you're gonna stop. Everybody who's listening.
You're gonna stop. You're gonna take a moment, and then
you're gonna take inventory, and then you're gonna realize that
Shador Sanders is being positioned to all of you.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
To be the guy for the Cleveland Browns, and if he's.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Not, it is going to be every single reason he
was let down. There will not be one person that
says Shador Sanders isn't the starter or the backup because
somebody actually was better than him. Now, whether it's true
(17:13):
or not, I think the travesty here. Honestly, here is
the true travesty of this situation. Shador Sanders is a
hell of a football player. That young man can play
some football. He's been a clutch kid since eighth grade.
I know it because he played in my game. The
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problem that's going to take place here is that same
pressure that is going to be applied to the Cleveland
Browns and to the starting quarterback or who's ever in
front of them. Multiply that by however many fold you
want to as to what that's going to look like
for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Because just as much as.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
They'll build you up in these types of moments, we
paid it off. We paid it off. We did what
we were supposed to do. We hoard you, draft came,
we used you, we rode you, We attached to the
carts to Shador Sanders, and he delivered for our draft.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
This year. You've been paid. We're even he gets in there, whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Comes next is going to be based upon what his
results are.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
When he gets that. If he gets that opportunity, it's almost.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Seemingly better that he not get an opportunity immediately, because
he'll get more fanfare for being victimized. Than he will
be for being the starter for the team. That's what's
being set up. That's all of this. That's the travesty,
because if he really is good, then he should be
able to have the fair opportunity to be measured and
(18:56):
weighed as being really good. I don't know that there.
It's an environment that's being creative for him to have
a fair opportunity one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
It's too far down the road. It's too far down
the road. And it goes back to that same discussion.
Sometimes backups, if they're too loud, aren't good backups. It's
almost to the point to where if he's named the
number two behind Joe Flacco, all the questions are going
(19:25):
to be when's he gonna get a chance. The Browns
are sitting at you know, I don't know four and eight.
They can outplay it. Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I would venture to say they might be undefeated, and
they still be saying they'd be better. They're setting themselves
up for failure and then the moment they lose, why
are you going to be saying, I told you if
Shador was in there, they wouldn't they wouldn't have lost
that one game, and meanwhile, Jimmy Hasmum's like, don't have
to hear about the Sean anymore now you didn't, you
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didn't brought in another one, Hey, that's all it needs,
and brought in another one. It is And this is
not Shador Sanders, by the way, this has absolutely nothing
to do with blaming Shador Sanders. This has everything to
do with how media works, how politics work, how influencing works.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
And that's where we live. This is this is where
we live right now.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Is that a fifth round draft pick is so influential
because of how strong and how clearly defined his brand is,
that it has created this type of coverage, and that
coverage will ultimately be the undoing of the Cleveland Browns
this year if they're not careful.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
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conversation about leadership, all right, leadership in the NFL, because
somebody else is getting drowned out amongst all the other
quarterback conversations. You're gonna hear about it next here on
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Speaker 3 (21:20):
Is that crazy?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I mean, you can't go five minutes without it popping
up on the television.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Olait Deshaun Watson's only twenty nine?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Ab what's it a year for? Every accusation? Every other minute?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Brouh.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up a
little over fifteen minutes from now. We are going to
a dust off, an oldie but a goodie here on
the show that'll be yours. On the FSR, we were
talking about quarterbacks in the NFL, most notably shout or
say Andrews is getting all sorts of coverage, all sorts
(22:02):
of publicity. There's also another quarterback who finds himself in
an interesting spot.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Uh oh.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That quarterback is Drake May who is the quarterback of
the New England Patriots. Mike Rabel's the brand new head
coach there. It's a new era of Patriots football, so
to speak because they decided Drod Mayo after a year,
after Bill Belichick after twenty something years, just wasn't working.
They bring in Mike Rabel. He's the guy. And now
there's the discussion about Drake May, the leadership of Drake
(22:31):
May and how does it look there in New England,
and here was Mike Rabel discussing it.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
There is a lot of room to grow. I think
there's a lot of natural leadership qualities. I think I
have to encourage him and continue to encourage him and
to put him in those positions to do that so
that the players understand.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
You know that there's a different version of all of us.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
There's one that's maybe off the field, that there's one
in the meeting room, and then there's a version on
the field which we all have to understand is somewhat
different than what it may be off the field.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
So the reason this come up is because I guess
they're going through some unique drills some ways to try
and get Drake made to be more vocal as a
leader to take on that role. And my question is this, Oh,
can you manufacture that? Can you actually build that or
(23:19):
do you just have it? And you've played with enough
quarterbacks during the course of your.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
To be more vocal, to be more of a leader.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Generally speaking, that is something that you either have and
you just need to develop it, or you don't and
that's just not your way. Like people used to get
upset with Jeff George. I remember him being my teammate.
Jeff was a cool ass dude, Holitzer for an arm,
but he wasn't like a raw, raw guy, and he's
(23:51):
not gonna like he might talk to you and you
might have a conversation with him, like, hey, how you
doing da da dad?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Is that other? You good?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
All right, sweet man? Have a good one like da
da da. That's about it. He's not going to be
a raw ruw. Come on, y'all like da da da
da da, Like let's go, let's do this, blase blah like.
He's not that type of guy. Some guys are just
not wired that way for one reason or another.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's just their nature. That's just the way that they are.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I don't believe you can teach a guy to You
can help them to be more vocal as it can
help you with what's going on on the field, but
as it applies to like being a leader, I think
either you have that and somebody helps you you develop
that as you go, or you don't and you have
(24:47):
to figure out what's the best way for you to lead.
Because if you're a quarterback, bottom line is you have
to be the leader. You're the facto leader. So you
have to understand the amount of expectation and responsibility that's
connect to the position you play. If if you're insufficiencies
as a person, or maybe not even insufficiencies, but maybe
(25:09):
the things that aren't your strengths are something that would
hold you back from being at the highest of level
playing the position, then play a different position.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Like nobody says you have to.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean there's eleven different positions you don't, and I
mean there's more because there's special teams. You don't have
to put yourself in a position where you're you fail
to achieve what you're trying to achieve, because what you're
not a vocal leader, like I don't know, Like to me,
being vocal is crazy. I had this conversation I was
(25:44):
I was doing work with men and we were going
over counting. We're sun we were we were counting learning
how like the count receivers, like you start from the right,
you start from the outside one two, where's number three
you start? If you're lined on the left, the same
exact thing. One and two is always going to be
(26:05):
pretty much unless you have a one receiver side, you're
going to count from the outside one. Start from the
outside one, all right, both both linebackers safeties, they're going
to count from the outsides. So if you have say
you have twin sets, you have two receivers on the
left side, you have two receivers on the right side,
(26:27):
and you have a back in the backfield, right, you
count one, two, and then three is in the backfield.
Same thing for the other linebacker. You count from the
outside one two, three is in the backfield. Now here's
where it gets confusing. If they shift, if they motion.
That's why teams shift, they motion, because you're basing your
(26:48):
coverage off of the numbers and the alignments of the players.
So just understanding and learning those things, you'll be out
there and you'll be.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Like, all right, all right, here we go threes in
the back.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Watch watch full flow set, full flow set meaning or
you know, match match it up, match it up meaning
if one and two cross within a certain like say
five yards, they cross each other, then the number one
receiver becomes the number two receiver. The number two receiver,
what comes the number one becomes the number one?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
How about that? So then now you've matched them, you've
matched it. Or you'll say lock it up, lock it up. Locking.
So I got number two man, he's got number number
one man.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
The backer over here, he's got that back. He's got
number three man. So if we say lock it up,
what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Lock it up? So what does that mean? You got man?
So what does that mean? You got man?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Man? You stay on the man you're covering at the
start of the play, not matching, not switching.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
If they cross, you have to be able to day
on that man.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
So the point I'm making is for a quarterback, all
of these different things that the receivers need to know,
or the linemen need to know, or the running back
needs to know.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
You gotta be communicating.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
You got to be able to really really verbalize what
it is that the center needs to know.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
The conversation between you and the center.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
You may look at your tackle, whatever it may be,
You're going to identify the backer. There's the backer, backer,
backer forty three, forty three, right, you got to be
able to communicate. Now, if we're talking strictly communication of
what you're supposed to do within your responsibilities of being
a quarterback, you.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Need to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
You need to be able to communicate, You need to
be able to give the plays. You need to be
able to make sure you're letting guys know that this
is the right thing to do. And that's what made
Peyton Manning to me, the greatest. Here's the greatest at that.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
So when you're one of those guys, that's one thing.
Are you communicating that way, because that is necessary.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
But if you're getting out there and you're like, beat
his ass, let's go, let's go, Like like Brady Kim
comes out and he's head button dude, he's like, let's go.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Right, everybody isn't coming out with that type of energy.
Speaker 1 (29:19):
And that's and when you try to force a guy
who doesn't have that that way about him, it seems forced.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, it seems disingenuous. It's not. To me. That's not
a win.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Yeah, That's why I wonder if there are people that
are with the Patriots who were there last year when
he's a rookie, will they will if they see him
going above and beyond to try and show this new
leadership style.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Or be more vocal. Are there going to be people.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
In the locker room that are like, yeah, whatever, dude,
Like we were here last year, like this is not
like that. You're trying way too hard. I just wonder
if I just wonder if people there will see through
the effort and instead of looking at it like, hey,
he's making a concerted effort to try and be more
vocal and be more of a leader, they look at
(30:04):
it and go, yeah, but he's like making an effort
to be something he's not.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
If he's not being like a d bag to his teammates,
they'll probably support them. They want to win, he wants
to win, they'll probably support them. But if it's like
coming across like as d baggage, then it's like that's
what that's when you start to get into those types
of conversations like hey, bro, like relax man, like relax
(30:29):
with all that, Like nobody got no time for that.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Take that somewhere.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
I do think the quarterbacks entering year two are more
interesting than the rookie quarterbacks this year. Other than the
standpoint of a shad or Sanders, which we discussed. But
I'm curious to see what cam Ward does well, I
really am, like, I'm curious to see. But you know,
my my expectations aren't all that high because I think that,
(30:58):
but I look at the quarter back centering year two.
Can jayde and Daniels Daniels do it again? He did,
Caleb Williams now has Ben Johnson, Drake May's got Mike Grave, which, by.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
The way, Cayleb Williams had a very good season. He
had a fine season. If if Jaydon Daniels isn't lights
out the way that he is, it's a foregone conclusion
that Kayleb Williams would have been the Rookie of the
Year and would have been you know, he was.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Much better than people acknowledge.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
But at but the problem that you had a camp,
the stand and the standalone games that you saw were meltdowns,
like whether it be the Thanksgiving Game all the other
stuff that went along with and he struggled early and
he you know, it was.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
It was a clown show there last year in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
But if you just think you had a camp and
having the comp and Jaydon Daniels made it easy to
look at Caleb Williams and start to point out all
of his fault versus look at what he was doing positive.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
It's almost as if you've got three rookie quarterbacks entering
year two in the NFL, because Drake May's got a
brand new coach in a new regime. Same with Caleb Williams,
and JJ McCarthy hasn't played yet, so and.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
You know he's the most intriguing out of all of them.
JJ McCarthy will have the most coverage early on. Now
what he does with it will dictate whether that coverage
stays intensified or falls off if he is really good,
which I think everybody's anticipating JJ McCarthy to be a
(32:26):
really good quarterback for the Vikings because of everything that
didn't happen and the few things that did. And so
to me, it's like, were you fighting time with Sam
Darnold and you knew this is fighting time, And so
we're going to just go ahead and go with JJ
McCarthy because we feel like we're able to have a
(32:47):
level of sustained success putting him in at the starter
now and not having there be any road to have
to pave to get there. That makes his situation to
me out of the year two guys like Jaydon Daniels,
that will be intriguing to see if he can continue
that one hundred because he had an amazing season. Caleb Williams,
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I think because he's a polarizing figure, you know, there's
a lot of other things that people focus in on.
I think that that'll play a part and why he
is a very, very covered and watched quarterback going into
his sophomore season. I think that makes a ton of sense.
But because of what happened with Darnald, because of what
(33:30):
happened with Aaron Rodgers, and because he's coming off an
injury and didn't play based off of the injury, which
by the way, he was in front of Darnald before
the injury. So I think that there's going to be
a lot of coverage on McCarthy to see what was
the whole reason for everything falling into place the way
(33:50):
that it did.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
He also won't get.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
The benefit of the doubt because everybody looks at Minnesota
like a turnkey operation, so much so that Caleb Williams
wanted to go there, as we found out, and so
did Aaron Rodgers. Because everybody notices Oh yeah, they're kind
of loaded. And Kevin O'Connell's a really respected offensive mind.
So JJ McCarthy like has to be, has to hit
(34:11):
the ground running or else all the other conversations will
stir up, and he's not gonna They're not going to
cut him any slack off. He struggles like other places
would when you can blame the pieces around you. The
pieces around him are pretty good, so much so that
Sam Darnald got a you know, an extension or a
contract from c and he's the comp.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, Sam Donald will be the comp. Everything that JJ
McCarthy does this year, the comp is going to be
what Sam Donald did the year prior.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
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Speaker 2 (35:22):
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Speaker 4 (35:35):
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Speaker 3 (35:41):
A little over ten minutes from now.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Somebody's playing nice in the NFL, and you know why,
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Speaker 3 (36:11):
Let's make a hiss too, and.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
Would you rather your random topics, sports or otherwise?
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Right? Is this an oldie but a goodie?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
Here?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
We figured we dust it off here during the summertime?
Is it actually officially summer in or is that June
twenty first?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I think it was yesterday, right? Is it something like that?
I believe now, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think it was, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
But it is where we've got some different options out
there we've got to choose from, and it is all
courtesy of our executive producer, lead to wib.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
Yes, start of summer is June twentieth, even though this
does say that it is summer right now.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
So I thought I started like a day or so ago.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
But all right, all right, well let's start off with
the sports related one.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
How about this?
Speaker 6 (36:58):
Would you rather have Alexander Jalen Ramsey on your team?
Speaker 3 (37:04):
I'll take Jalen Ramsey. Yeah, I'm gonna take Ramsey.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Well I can't have ears, so I guess I'll go
Jalen Ramsey on that one.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Guys, would you rather.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
By used underwear or a used toothbrush?
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Neither? Jesus Yeah, I'm not playing that game.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
I'm not going to put nobody's dirtiness down low on me,
by the way, and I'm definitely not too brushing it
with somebody.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
I'd rather use my finger, by the way.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I had a guy I bought underwear one time a
couple of years ago at this store. I think, really,
he goes, hey, reminder, wait, he.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
Was talking to you while you were buying.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
Underwear, was paying for it, and he's like, you need
to receive it. He's like, no, I'm good, he goes, yeah,
so you can't return these? Like, clearly, what do you
think I was?
Speaker 3 (38:01):
We need somebody to go down al four al fo.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, we need them to check on the price extra
small fruit of the loons. Damn yes, that's right, we
need a price on extra small fruit of the loons.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
It's like, why would I return? Who even thinks about
returning underwear? I can't try it.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
On, that's man. Just trust us. Don't like these draws.
Trust what you got.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
And you know what, though, there's probably some sad sacks
somewhere working at a department store who would take the
return item just because it's the path of least resistance. No,
you do not want somebody else's crotch rot on yours.
Because they decided they didn't want that pair of drawers anymore.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You know who would return their underwear? Lee, Rob Parker, Oh.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Yeah, yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Would he wear used underwear if you got a good
deal for free. I don't like y'all speaking that type
of evil. Long Rob stun. He's not here to defend himself.
We're going to strike that one from the record, all right,
keep going.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
It's a good cook quote, the greatest crotch rot of
all time?
Speaker 1 (39:11):
Stop it?
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Guys?
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Would you rather find mention? Guys?
Speaker 6 (39:18):
Would you rather find five dollars in your pocket? That's
always fun? Or one hundred dollars floating in a public toilet?
Clean public toilet. But I don't care if the toilet
isn't clean. I'm gonna get that hundred hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah. Hello, that's probably the cleanest that hundred dollars bill
has been. I'm surprised you guys with that went there.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Why all I gotta do is get it out without
getting the fecal matters. I would call it feqal matter. Yeah,
get it out without getting out all my hands, that's all.
But I'm gonna wash that bill and my hands thoroughly.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
I fetched out an eight dollars pair of sunglasses out
of a toilet one time, tang a hundred bucks.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
That ain't enoughing. I'm in a hundred dollars. I'm gonna
go here, put my hand in there.
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