June 11, 2025 • 39 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get this, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I bet you they didn't use straws now. I bet
you they didn't spitball either.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Does make you wonder where the term spit comes from?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, like I was, I was more thinking about there's
still pirates that exists? Are there still vikings that exist?
Like do they still sell you know, the seas and
you know, try to spread paganism around the areas that
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they sell. And do they raid I don't know, towns
and stuff like that, Like there still are there still
real old school vikings? I know they're Viking. People say
they have the Norwegian bloodline and in Iceland and stuff
like that, but do we do we still have like
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the ships or the boats that they used to use.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Maybe good, Yes, I did. And according to what you
guys call him, Grock, Yeah, according to Rock, there are
no more Vikings in the traditional sense.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I mean, but they probably have adapted and morphed into
something else. It's just been you know, that's the progression.
You know, like what like you said, descendants are still alive,
but they're not living like the Vikings used to of old.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of course there's descendants. I mean the names are day giveaways.
Like some of the strongest dudes in the world have Viking.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Names, like, for example, brock Lesner. That's a modern day Viking.
Like if you saw brock Lesni, you'd be like, all right,
that guy if this was you know, two hundred.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
At least wanting to be Yeah, and I mean he
had that battle axe chopping him down.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You had that giant dagger tattoo going down as Sternham
as well too. It's a bad dude, but that's martial arts.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You know. Wrestlers are martial artists. You do know that. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're a big fight Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. I like brock Lessner. That's a good look. His
daughter is badass.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Too, looks like Colorado state or something.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Like that, Colorado states.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I think she's a shot putter and he is.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Shouldn't be messing around.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Good, Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Looks she literally looks exactly like him anyway. Curious because
what's that? Yeah, I said, I mean, I don't do
the scared thing. But like you know, if you think back,
like oh, if we were you were on the battlefield
and you saw that big mother lover coming your way
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with one of them big ass swords, yeah, he's gonna
think about it. I mean, if it's more than one
of them, I'm gonna try to pick out the one
that I know I can beat. In my mind, I
know I could beat this one, that one right there. No,
I've met man. You you want look, man, you take him, Jonas,
you take him, I'm gonna take him right there?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
What do you mean I met?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I met brock Lesner one time and shook his hand.
It's a really humbling experience. His hands were too big
for the UFC gloves. Just take me, like, okay, I
added in my wallet. He'd even ask for it, Damren
Milt Jonas.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So what are you doing after the match?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
And then then mister Lennar, it is two pros, mister Lesnar,
it is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas and Ox with
you here. So we uh, we were discussing obviously last
hour the the Aaron Rodgers arrival in Pittsburgh. We also
(04:50):
talked about Stefan Diggs being asked about what went on
on the S S two C by reporters in New England.
And then we've got we've got more discussion in the NFL. Well,
this discussion also in the AFC, also in the AFC East,
much like Stefan Diggs, and that evolves the Miami Dolphins,
and according to Tua Tagabaila, they're starting quarterback. There's been
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a change there in Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Let's listen, there is a culture shift.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
And I know it. I mean I feel it just
as much as everyone that's been here. Since I've gotten
into the league. We always hear about, man, yeah, oh
culture shift.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You guys have a change of this.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
You guys are doing this always optimistic, but I really
do feel in my heart that this is a change
of scenery for our guys in the locker room, and
then it also transitions to our coaches as well.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Because we get.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Opportunities to lead and it's not as much the coaches
as it is the players.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I would say this year, so there was just a
main change of scenery.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Did they move, No, just it does feel like the
pressure has been ratcheted up a little bit, like it
feels like this is a pretty pivotal year, so much
so that your guy Mike McDaniel is also maybe feeling
the heat there from you know, the possibility that maybe
this is his last opportunity to try and get Miami
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over the hump there, get him to the playoffs, actually
win a playoff game, which, by the way, fun fact,
the Dolphins have the longest drought of playoff wins in
the NFL. I think the last time they want a
playoff game was like nineteen ninety nine or something like that.
Long ass time. So Mike McDaniel was asked about the
Jalen Ramsey trade speculation and how he feels about it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I don't personally, and I would lump you into this
with me. I don't give it about what I feel.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't even really go down that road of how
do I feel about it?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My job is to.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
React and control my controllables and makes sure that people
are moving in one direction appropriately. And so the business
is business. The opportunity that business does provide in the
off season. As a rep to the team about handling noise,
what do I define noise as noises things that don't
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have to do with what actually you're there to do,
and you should be focused on doing because you'll be
held accountable to do.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Remember how relaxed he was when he first got there.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Just chill.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was a lot slower, Yeah, just chill, like you know,
just got off the got off the ocean, went in
for a fish taco and a strawberry lemonade and just
kind of just chill. Now it just the tones kind
of changed a little bit. You know, it's kind of
beating the life of an NFL coach has just beating
him into submission, where now he feels more well, now
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he feels more like he sounds more like other coaches
than he does. The Mike McDaniel that you did a
great impression of a couple years ago when he first
got there.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Well, you know, when you're talking about Mike, you gotta
really really take into consideration.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That there could.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Be some things that Wow, he's going to handle a
little bit differently than what other people do. But it's
okay because I'm young and I have a lot a
lot of years in front of me, and well, you know,
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being down here in Miami, have the opportunity to coach
the Dolphins, and this is really cool because I grew
up being a fan of the teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Seriously, I think he's a lot more confident in himself
these days, and I think that that is for him,
and I think maybe the message that he's sending out
to the media is, you know, sometimes sometimes you got
to tell people, man, f your feelings, man, feelings are
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getting into the way of how you make decisions properly,
how you lead.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
When you're in the types of.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Positions that McDaniel is in, you gotta make you gotta
make McDaniels. McDaniel always mess up his name, McDaniel, I
gotta rappens. Listen, you got to make decisions, and it
has to be the decisions that are best for the team,
that served the team because ultimately, again, at the end
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of the day, the one thing that I always say,
and you'll hear people always say that man Owes loyalty
to whoever his it is he provides for. He had
to do a job, interview and get hired to do
a job, just like every other person that is employed
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by that organization. He is measured and judged by the
product on the field and what the results are. And
you only get so much time to be able to
show that everything that you interviewed for the reason why
you were hired. This is why you only get so
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much time to get wins. So I like what he's saying,
even though it's funny as hell the way he'd be
saying stuff. Sometimes he don't really talk as slow and
as kind of like subdued as he has to. It's
a little bit more vinegar in there. But I will
say this is a very pivotal year for Miami just
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for the simple fact that they've had such high expectations.
But again, I think it ultimately come down to, you know,
Tua can talk about culture change and it feels different,
and this and that and the other. They haven't been
a bad team, it's just they're not a good team
when Tua goes down. So I think that the biggest
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question is ken tuas stay healthy and if he doesn't
do you have a contingency plan to be good and
continue being good if to it were to go down.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It's just that simple. The success of the Dolphins all
depends on whether or not two is on the field.
When two is on the field for Miami, they're forty
and twenty four. When he's off the field, they're seven
to thirteen. Like that's all you need to know. So
if they're looking around going well, you know there's a
culture shift, there's a no, there should be a health shift.
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If there's a health shift, and he can stay on
the field and he can stop going head first in
trying to pick up extra yards which don't really matter
in the moment. Long term, if he can do that,
then Miami's got a shot because we've seen them play well,
and we've seen him play well and at a high level.
But Mike McDaniel's future, Chris Greer, there's a lot of
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people there in Miami whose future depends on whether or
not Tua can stay on the field. And if he
can stay on the field, we've seen them do good things.
The record says as much. But if he can't be
there and can't be dependable and isn't available Miami's going
to struggle. It just is what it is, and Mike
McDaniel knows that, and TUA knows that they can dress
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it up however they want. He's got to stay on
the field, period. Yeah, I think that that's the conclusion
of it, right. I mean, that's not a hert that's
not a hard one to come to. And I don't
believe that that's a military secret.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But I am.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Curious as to why TfL he had to say that, Like,
that's what was intriguing to me. Why did you feel
you needed to say there was.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
A culture shift?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What was I would be curious what was the culture
that he believed existed before this culture shift? I think,
you know, for an attitude, like what is it like
maybe there was something going on that could have led
to him saying that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So I don't know if this is in reference to that,
but there was a report that I saw a few
weeks back, or it might have been you know, who
knows at this point, but earlier in the offseason where
there was the feeling that there were some veterans there
in Miami that were growing thin of Mike McDaniel and
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his coaching style, and look, I don't know if that's true.
I don't know if that's been substantiated by anybody, but
there was that report out there, and it does feel
like we're kind of coming towards the all right. Either
they're making a run in the postseason. Mike McDaniel's coming
up on year number four. He's got a winning record,
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but without Tua they've struggled, and I think Mike McDaniel
probably realizes, man, that really is the lynchpind Our success.
And if there's all these other rumblings about, like let's
say two it does stay healthy and they're a nine
to eight football team, he's probably gone. They're probably gonna
make a switch. I mean, so I think maybe Tua's
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kind of understanding and reading the temperature of the room, like,
hey man, we got it, Like it's make or break
time here, and I think we're all sort of running
out of running, running short on time to be able
to fix this thing and get us back in the postseason.
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I don't know that people expect too much out of them,
except for those who are making those decisions. So I
think it's interesting because they have to do things that
make them more relevant mainstream. Like, I get it, we're
talking about them on a nationally syndicated radio show, but
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that I mean, I feel like what's most interesting about
the Miami Dolphins is ken who will stay healthy, how
Mike McDaniel will be dressed, and how he will handle
the interviews. And I feel like that's it well, and
I don't feel like there's anything that really I mean,
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Tyreek Hill is always going to give you a hitline
or two and.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Is in his father's day coming up, and you know,
I mean he is get paid.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He's gonna get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I mean, yeah, like how many gifts is he.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I doubt he gets going get He could get like
some you know, I don't know. It's a good question.
He's going to get paid. You are stupid. That's his
tax return season. That's why he gets his tax return.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
What would come up on It's got like a Rolls
Royce from one kid.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He's stupid.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I just I just think that the Dolphins, I mean,
they gotta do things to try to become more relevant.
I think that's ultimately what it comes down to and
the only way this team can create more relevance is
by winning. I think it's a very simple deal with
certain teams certain markets. Jacksonville is one of those teams
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where you just say, like the market itself doesn't lend
towards them. If they're not good, they're just not relevant.
And and like the Miami Dolphins, great market, you know,
great place to go hang. But in terms of sports
and football, I mean they haven't. I mean, the Hurricanes
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make them relevant as a football community. The Heat legitimize
them in basketball, and I mean the other sports.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is what it is, right, Like, aren't the Marlins there?
I believe?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Oh god yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So I just they got a win and there's too
many other things to do in Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I worry about that team.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah that he got beat by seventy their final game
of the season. The Marlins playing a bounce house, but
not the one that floats away like like in South Africa.
Like it just yeah, it's there's going to be, you know,
other stuff going on. Man, there's other things.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You gotta do things to be relevant. That's all I say.
And you did mention the Miami Hurricanes football team. I
mean they're they're the team that really people get excited
about in Miami and in the Miami Dolphins. It's crazy,
but they have to you know, it's like the Browns
or the Bengals. You gotta compete in contend with the
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popularity of the Buckeyes. So Miami's got to do something, man.
But I just don't think that people really care too
much to get that deep into it. It's like one
of those teams is like, why are we talking about Miami? Yeah,
you know, they gotta they have to play themselves out
of that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Which which does make the question why did Lee put
this on the rundown to discuss? If that's the case,
you know, like why.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, But it's worth discussing because of sports and it's
it's June and there's no NBA Finals game and w
n B A is on and and.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I get news for you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I will say this to you guys, at least you're
more relevant than.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
W n B.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
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Speaker 3 (19:03):
WIP shouts out to my man Jesse. Look atta man.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He had a whole bunch of clothes and what I
just sack Morton slippers sent to my house, Like I'm
gonna wear them too. It's like it made me think
a night of the Roxbury clothes. Like he's got real
great fashion. Since it never does anything nice for me
like that except Jesse.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Look at it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Like all the dudes I've been you know, mentored and
been a part of their lives, nobody ever really gives
me anything, which I never asked for anything either, but
he gives me like you'd be we were the same
size as so he'd be giving me clothes and stuff,
giving me shoes Like It's pretty cool and I.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Feel like I've I've done a couple of things that still, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You do give me gift cards.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean, have you guys been there? No, No, what
stuff I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
To I am going to I guess maybe, But did
it expire?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I don't think gift cards expire.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
They shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think they do. I think there are time frames
on them. Yeah, they do. I believe so, I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So do gift cards expire?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Well, I mean that's like saying as money expire, because
it's basically money.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Under the law, a gift card cannot expire until at
least five years from the.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Date it was activated.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So it can.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So it's not necessarily just like money.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It just takes five years for them to say that
the money that was spent for that gift card is
now our money and we don't have to take that
gift card.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm going I'm going I feel real bad now, I'm
going to go use it today.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We use it today.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
But like, if you think about it, that's true if
you think about the logic, If you think about the
logic of it, it's like saying, here's one hundred bucks,
but in five years from now, it's no longer good.
What do you mean that's that work? How does that work?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Or if the place you got a gift card from
isn't there anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh yeah, my wife did that. I got her gift
card to some place and she waited so long the
place went out of business.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like, so you know, you should have called the place
before they went out of business and be like, hey, you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Think I could get a refundel on that gift card
I got.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I thought she'd used it, and he's like, oh yeah,
I never used it. I'm like, oh sweet, place closed.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Instead of getting me a gift card, just be like
a var like we're going to go out, and you
just pay because I always pay when I go out.
If you hadn't noticed, I never let you pay. I
don't let people pay when we go out. So Lee, Lee,
I let Lee pay at the at the hotel. What
do you mean do you pay?
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What do you mean when we go? Yeah, we don't
ever go out. Have I've paid a couple of times?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Have you when.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
The Well, we were at the graduate in State College
and I sneakily paid you did? I don't remember that
because because I just I was. It was my my
way to It was my getaway. Because I think you
and Lee had one shot and then you were like,
let's get another one, and then it just.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It was off, why can't I drink, bro, I don't
really look like the type that would be able to drink. Well,
maybe I do. I don't know. I don't know, but
we can drink.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You are. I'll give you credit for this because you've said, like,
I can if I if I start, I can just
go all time. And I was like, everybody says that.
And then in New Orleans, by the way, this is
not an exaggeration. In New Orleans, the Thursday before our
final show in New Orleans, we had a company meeting
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downstairs at the hotel bar that started at like noon.
All right, we got off the air at eight am.
LeVar went to the bar afterwards to get breakfast, had drinks,
and I am not kidding. You did not leave that
area until what ten o'clock at night?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It was late.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You put in fourteen hours in the same.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Late, in the same spot.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It was midnight. It was to midnight, it was.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
It was really, why were you up till midnightly?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, that night we were day. That day I took
it easy because that was after my fall. That was
the so you guys were going after it. I was
kind of the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Which, which, by the way, the day you had your fall?
Was that the day we sat and drank hurricanes at
the at the.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Ball I think that.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think that is how that day started.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, it wasn't. That was the day after.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It was the day after.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, yeah, because the Thursday, the Thursday, that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
The day me and Lee sat together. I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I think I came in and I got breakfast and
started drinking, and then they came in and I ain't
know they were doing all that lunch and stuff like that,
so I'd start drinking with y'all. Then I went back
to the bar, started drinking over at the bar, and
you know B Mitch and B Mitch can can throw
down a little bit. So I ended up sitting with
B Mitch a few times. I mean, I don't leave.
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If you notice, I do not leave my hotel. I'm
not like, I do not venture out. It was people
do venture out. I don't venture out.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'll see if you can find a hotel with a
decent bar, downstairs.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Sitting area, that's it. You can see me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You could see me passed out on if they got
a comfortable couch, and if they got a comfortable couch
or a nice lounge area near the pool. You can
find me near the pool getting drinks or in the
lobby getting drinks that they have comfortable seating.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And you know what was rough was Vegas year because
we were in the hotel, we were in the casino
the entire week.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
We didn't even get fresh air all week long.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But here's the thing. I treated New Orleans or anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
That we stayed. I treated it the same exact way.
When we were in Arizona. I never left. I never left. Yeah,
I never left out of the hotel. When we were
in Vegas, I never left. When we were in New Orleans,
I never left. I never left.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The only time I go outside the hotels when we
go do the radio. That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
There's no reason to Food was good, weird, setup was good, nuts,
It's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The first day, the first day I got there, I
wanted some chicken wings and I said, where are the
best wings at? And they throw this one spot and
I'd start walking. Then I realized, yeah, I'm not going
to do this again. I Am not going to venture out,
not one more time.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The best. By the way, By the way, I did
like cow So because yeah, Thursday night we all hung
out and fasally took over the hotel lobby. And the
next morning, Brady's like, by the way, did you notice
how I took my headphones off in the middle of
the first segment. I was like, yeah, what was that about?
He goes, I was gonna throw up. He's like, I
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thought it was. I thought it was going to lose everything.
He goes, So I literally thought, I need to get
to the bathroom right away, because we went so hard
the night before.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Brady was, I mean, we went we went hard. Bro
We went hard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
When I can feel it, like when I can feel
the fact that I have drank too much, we have
done something extraordinarily and incorrect and irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
How many, by the way, how many meals did you
have down there at that same hotel?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't eat well. I mean during the course of
the week.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I man, our single handed league had handled breakfast for him.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They took off your favorite They took off your favorite zo.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But gave it to me. But didn't they put it back.
I mean they made it for me, so that was cool.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I want to steak and eggs. I love steaking eggs
in the morning man.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's my dip.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
No, well, not paying people is the dip of the
Cincinnati Bengals. That's the Bengals dip here on two pros
and a cup of joe. So much so that Shamar Stewart,
the rookie of the Cincinnati Bengals, the first round draft pick,
the defensive end, he's in a little bit of a
(27:44):
little bit of a dispute. The way this is being
reported is that the contractual hold up is due to
the language of the deal that the Bengals are trying
to set a new precedent with rookie contracts. It's gonna
give them the ability to avoid guarantees in their contracts,
and Stuart wants to have the same contract that every
(28:07):
other rookie's gotten in Cincinnati over the past however many years.
You want to lump in together. And so Shamar Stewart
talked yesterday about the situation and had this to say, as.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
In how far I'll take it, I mean, it just depends.
Like in my case, I'm one hundred percent right, I'm
gonna ask for nothing I've never done before. But in
y'all casey, I just want to win arguments that Winny
more games, in my opinion.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
I know business is business in football is football, But
have the veterans said anything. Has there been any reaction
at all with your situation.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
It's made it very easy when the people in air
locker room say you're doing the right things, especially the
star players.
Speaker 10 (28:47):
That stars in here. I'm not asking names, but stars
have said do what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, I mean how many more?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean, who would sign a contract if what you're
saying is if that's like accuracy of it, of just
making it super simple. What guy would sign a contract
where the team is able to avoid all your you know,
I mean all your guarantees. And he's not like it's
his point. He's not asking for something different than what
they've done historically. What they've done historically is what he's
(29:19):
asking for. They're trying to do something new this year,
and I just think that if you want to do
something new, do what the other Cleveland team does. Just
guarantee at all. Yeah, go in the right direction. I'm
away going the wrong direction.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You want to do something different, You don't want me
to hold out, you want me to be happy, you
know what, Just fully guarantee the hold entire contract.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Go ahead and jump, just go ahead and do it.
I'm with you. It's also I mean, Trey Hendrickson is
not reported.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I'm not like why they don't love their defensive players.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't know their defense.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And by the way, they asked Joe Brow yesterday're like,
is this a distraction? He's like yeah, He's like yeah,
He's all we had two distractions last year. We've got
another one this year. He's like, you know, so we're
down one.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Distractions this year.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, because Hendrickson wanted money last year, did yeah Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, the Jamar Chase situation. And I know that it's
a mom and pop organization and it's family run and
all that, But at some point, do the Bengals not
look and go you know, there's a common theme here.
It's we've got players, really good players, and they and
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they all have the same gripe and complaint over and
over and over again. At some point do the Bengals
want to like step up and go Maybe it's us,
Maybe we got to adjust how we're doing have we're
operating things here?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I mean, when when you continue to do those things,
you're either insane or you're super successful. Their business model
must work for them. You know, what our business model
is for them might not necessarily be what their business
model is for them. So that's what I would say.
We're talking about a franchise, you know, what is their motivations?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
What you know? How how do you measure success?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I really do be wondering that sometimes for some of
these these franchises, like how do you measure what you're gauging?
If you were to tell the one hundred percent truth
to the public, how do you measure success? Well? Would you?
Because it always comes to the bottom line. It always
comes back to that.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
If you're ask an owner, would you rather win a
Super Bowl or make a bunch of money? And I
know they're you know, one and the.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Same, I would say, I was about to say, I
would think that you say they're one and the same
because if you do win super Bowls that that probably
will lead to you making more money, which is which
is weird to me, because if you're going to spend
the type of money to get to the Super Bowls,
win the Super Bowls, Like, think about how much much
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money do you think the Kansas City Chiefs have earned
since Patrick Mahomes has become the quarterback, the starting quarterback
of Casey, And then you ask yourself, Okay, with the
way that we're running our organization, does it make sense
to keep all of these guys happy? And if it's
the guys that we're not going to keep happy and
we're going to let go, then how do we replace them?
(32:24):
And that is generally a great position for a general
manager to be in because it's not a hard sale
to say, hey, we got to keep Chris Jones, Hey
we got to keep Patrick Mahomes. You know, these are
the people that we have to keep. Are the other
people interchangeable? They have seemingly been so, But think about
the value of that franchise.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Now, did you when you were in Washington, Because you know,
schmar Stewart's mentioning man veterans here with the team, star
players are telling me you're doing the right thing. When
you're in Washington and like a rookie came in or
a new player came in, did you ever pull them
aside and be like, hey, just see, you know, place
a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I'm sure I did. I'm sure I did, But I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I wasn't one of those type of guys that was
actively seeking guys out, like if you came and sat
with me, or we were on the practice field or whatever.
I was more about just having a good time, just
the camaraderie of it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
But if somebody had a question.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, you know, about how things were handled or
things they should think about, or dues and not to
do's and stuff like that. Sure I had those conversations,
but I was never I can I can't recall really
ever having like bad mouth conversations, you know what I mean,
Like they ain't giving you your money because I always
stayed away from money with players, Like there are some
(33:41):
players that that's all that drove them, like, oh you
you make this da da da, or shut up full
you don't make enough money? Da da da. Just that
Like I never was one of them dudes, you know.
So you know, some guys make it about money. I
never made it about that. Some guys, you know, like
to insert themselves into situation paul, in the situations that
aren't necessarily theirs.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And I just was always one of them dudes that
just you know I'm around, you know I'm around, but
I ain't gonna get in your business.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So I probably wouldn't have been one of them dudes
that was saying you're doing the right thing unless he
came up to me and been like, you know, Varr,
what am I supposed to do? Da da da this,
that and the other. And then I'm like, Okay, explain
to me the situation. I want to fully understand the situation.
Then I'll, you know, let's come up with solutions.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But if he were to tell me that they're trying
to give me a contract that's different than in any
other rookie, and that they're trying to say that I
should have my they should be able to avoid my guarantees,
I would tell him, get you you can't you know
you can't do that. Yeah, I wouldn't tell them. I
wouldn't advise a guy to do something I wouldn't do myself,
(34:49):
and I wouldn't do that deal.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
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Speaker 2 (36:11):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things.
Speaker 11 (36:17):
It's time for good, bad and lovely. All right, lead
to lab who's got what will? Jonas says, we do
each and every week we start with the good, and
this week you will be delivering those goods.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
The good is the return of the US Open to Oakmont.
I know this firsthand because in twenty sixteen, Fox Sports
Radio was out there for the coverage, as Fox was
the broadcasting They had the broadcasting rights for the US
Open that year, and so we went out there and
if anybody we kind of mentioned Oakmont earlier in the show,
(36:51):
it's on the outskirts of Pittsburgh. What would you say,
like twenty minutes away from downtown something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, but I want to wear to golf out yeah, thirty.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It is a beautiful part of the country when you
drive through the hills, when you drive get to the
get to the course, just the surrounding area it's like
it is especially this time of year. I mean, you
gotta hope there's no like tornado warnings like we had
back then and all that, and there's you know, lightning
storms and all that. But this time of year to
be featured again, so you can show off one of
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the beautiful, more underrated parts of the country. I think
is awesome. So the US Open is back. Who's gonna win?
Who the hell knows? Maybe we'll spin a wheel for it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But who the hell cares?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Oakmont, Pa. Good to be seen, good to be featured
yet again, beautiful part of the country. Well, can't have
good without the bad?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
LeVar What was bad this week? All right?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
First and foremost, Andrew Smith, thank you. It was a
Toyota land Cruiser that Greg Lloyd was driving. Couldn't come
up with the name, but it is Toyota land Cruiser,
that is correct.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
What on Toyota?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Secondly, what's what's bad? Which it is in second?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
But man, like, can we can we just come together
and be okay with one another?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I was watching watching like I was watching like a
new addressing of the California Union yesterday.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And there's something here.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Some cars are burning and people are throwing rocks and
stuff like that, Like there's a lot of Yeah, there's
just some unresolved issues, and you know, it's it seems
like it's like the gloves are all the way off.
I mean, maybe you could have saved that one for
yours because it really.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Is, like, it's really bad.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I hope that there can be a resolution that that
is achieved and accomplished, because it should be all about solutions. So,
so what's going on in California? As my bad for
the week, obviously.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah that is bad and ugly, but from bad to worst?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
What was ugly this week?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Do that?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Jonas, I'll do that one. No blah, no, you ain't lying.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
No, stay away, stay away away.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Well, guys, what was ugly this week is just the
time between games, you know, not often that we have
like a bunch of dead air between between the games and.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't even care to watch it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, tonight, tonight, I give up. Yeah, we got a
whole hour radio left and we haven't talked.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
About n B a one time. Damn, We're gonna talk
about dor and break
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Get this, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
I bet you they didn't use straws now. I bet
you they didn't spitball either.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
Does make you wonder where the term spit comes from?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, like I was, I was more thinking about there's
still pirates that exists? Are there still vikings that exist?
Like do they still sell you know, the seas and
you know, try to spread paganism around the areas that
(01:26):
they sell. And do they raid I don't know, towns
and stuff like that, Like there still are there still
real old school vikings? I know they're Viking. People say
they have the Norwegian bloodline and in Iceland and stuff
like that, but do we do we still have like
(01:48):
the ships or the boats that they used to use.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Maybe good, Yes, I did. And according to what you
guys call him, Grock, Yeah, according to Rock, there are
no more Vikings in the traditional sense.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I mean, but they probably have adapted and morphed into
something else. It's just been you know, that's the progression.
You know, like what like you said, descendants are still alive,
but they're not living like the Vikings used to of old.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of course there's descendants. I mean the names are day giveaways.
Like some of the strongest dudes in the world have Viking.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Names, like, for example, brock Lesner. That's a modern day Viking.
Like if you saw brock Lesni, you'd be like, all right,
that guy if this was you know, two hundred.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
At least wanting to be Yeah, and I mean he
had that battle axe chopping him down.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
You had that giant dagger tattoo going down as Sternham
as well too. It's a bad dude, but that's martial arts.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You know. Wrestlers are martial artists. You do know that. Yeah,
I mean, I know you're a big fight Mark.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah. I like brock Lessner. That's a good look. His
daughter is badass.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Too, looks like Colorado state or something.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Like that, Colorado states.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
I think she's a shot putter and he is.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Shouldn't be messing around.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Good, Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Looks she literally looks exactly like him anyway. Curious because
what's that? Yeah, I said, I mean, I don't do
the scared thing. But like you know, if you think back,
like oh, if we were you were on the battlefield
and you saw that big mother lover coming your way
(03:39):
with one of them big ass swords, yeah, he's gonna
think about it. I mean, if it's more than one
of them, I'm gonna try to pick out the one
that I know I can beat. In my mind, I
know I could beat this one, that one right there. No,
I've met man. You you want look, man, you take him, Jonas,
you take him, I'm gonna take him right there?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
What do you mean I met?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
I met brock Lesner one time and shook his hand.
It's a really humbling experience. His hands were too big
for the UFC gloves. Just take me, like, okay, I
added in my wallet. He'd even ask for it, Damren
Milt Jonas.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
So what are you doing after the match?
Speaker 4 (04:29):
And then then mister Lennar, it is two pros, mister Lesnar,
it is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas and Ox with
you here. So we uh, we were discussing obviously last
hour the the Aaron Rodgers arrival in Pittsburgh. We also
(04:50):
talked about Stefan Diggs being asked about what went on
on the S S two C by reporters in New England.
And then we've got we've got more discussion in the NFL. Well,
this discussion also in the AFC, also in the AFC East,
much like Stefan Diggs, and that evolves the Miami Dolphins,
and according to Tua Tagabaila, they're starting quarterback. There's been
(05:11):
a change there in Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Let's listen, there is a culture shift.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
And I know it. I mean I feel it just
as much as everyone that's been here. Since I've gotten
into the league. We always hear about, man, yeah, oh
culture shift.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
You guys have a change of this.
Speaker 6 (05:27):
You guys are doing this always optimistic, but I really
do feel in my heart that this is a change
of scenery for our guys in the locker room, and
then it also transitions to our coaches as well.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Because we get.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Opportunities to lead and it's not as much the coaches
as it is the players.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I would say this year, so there was just a
main change of scenery.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Did they move, No, just it does feel like the
pressure has been ratcheted up a little bit, like it
feels like this is a pretty pivotal year, so much
so that your guy Mike McDaniel is also maybe feeling
the heat there from you know, the possibility that maybe
this is his last opportunity to try and get Miami
(06:12):
over the hump there, get him to the playoffs, actually
win a playoff game, which, by the way, fun fact,
the Dolphins have the longest drought of playoff wins in
the NFL. I think the last time they want a
playoff game was like nineteen ninety nine or something like that.
Long ass time. So Mike McDaniel was asked about the
Jalen Ramsey trade speculation and how he feels about it yesterday.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
I don't personally, and I would lump you into this
with me. I don't give it about what I feel.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
I'm not.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I don't even really go down that road of how
do I feel about it?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
My job is to.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
React and control my controllables and makes sure that people
are moving in one direction appropriately. And so the business
is business. The opportunity that business does provide in the
off season. As a rep to the team about handling noise,
what do I define noise as noises things that don't
(07:19):
have to do with what actually you're there to do,
and you should be focused on doing because you'll be
held accountable to do.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Remember how relaxed he was when he first got there.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Just chill.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
It was a lot slower, Yeah, just chill, like you know,
just got off the got off the ocean, went in
for a fish taco and a strawberry lemonade and just
kind of just chill. Now it just the tones kind
of changed a little bit. You know, it's kind of
beating the life of an NFL coach has just beating
him into submission, where now he feels more well, now
(07:53):
he feels more like he sounds more like other coaches
than he does. The Mike McDaniel that you did a
great impression of a couple years ago when he first
got there.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Well, you know, when you're talking about Mike, you gotta
really really take into consideration.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
That there could.
Speaker 8 (08:13):
Be some things that Wow, he's going to handle a
little bit differently than what other people do. But it's
okay because I'm young and I have a lot a
lot of years in front of me, and well, you know,
(08:33):
being down here in Miami, have the opportunity to coach
the Dolphins, and this is really cool because I grew
up being a fan of the teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Seriously, I think he's a lot more confident in himself
these days, and I think that that is for him,
and I think maybe the message that he's sending out
to the media is, you know, sometimes sometimes you got
to tell people, man, f your feelings, man, feelings are
(09:14):
getting into the way of how you make decisions properly,
how you lead.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
When you're in the types of.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Positions that McDaniel is in, you gotta make you gotta
make McDaniels. McDaniel always mess up his name, McDaniel, I
gotta rappens. Listen, you got to make decisions, and it
has to be the decisions that are best for the team,
that served the team because ultimately, again, at the end
(09:46):
of the day, the one thing that I always say,
and you'll hear people always say that man Owes loyalty
to whoever his it is he provides for. He had
to do a job, interview and get hired to do
a job, just like every other person that is employed
(10:07):
by that organization. He is measured and judged by the
product on the field and what the results are. And
you only get so much time to be able to
show that everything that you interviewed for the reason why
you were hired. This is why you only get so
(10:30):
much time to get wins. So I like what he's saying,
even though it's funny as hell the way he'd be
saying stuff. Sometimes he don't really talk as slow and
as kind of like subdued as he has to. It's
a little bit more vinegar in there. But I will
say this is a very pivotal year for Miami just
(10:53):
for the simple fact that they've had such high expectations.
But again, I think it ultimately come down to, you know,
Tua can talk about culture change and it feels different,
and this and that and the other. They haven't been
a bad team, it's just they're not a good team
when Tua goes down. So I think that the biggest
(11:13):
question is ken tuas stay healthy and if he doesn't
do you have a contingency plan to be good and
continue being good if to it were to go down.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It's just that simple. The success of the Dolphins all
depends on whether or not two is on the field.
When two is on the field for Miami, they're forty
and twenty four. When he's off the field, they're seven
to thirteen. Like that's all you need to know. So
if they're looking around going well, you know there's a
culture shift, there's a no, there should be a health shift.
(11:46):
If there's a health shift, and he can stay on
the field and he can stop going head first in
trying to pick up extra yards which don't really matter
in the moment. Long term, if he can do that,
then Miami's got a shot because we've seen them play well,
and we've seen him play well and at a high level.
But Mike McDaniel's future, Chris Greer, there's a lot of
(12:08):
people there in Miami whose future depends on whether or
not Tua can stay on the field. And if he
can stay on the field, we've seen them do good things.
The record says as much. But if he can't be
there and can't be dependable and isn't available Miami's going
to struggle. It just is what it is, and Mike
McDaniel knows that, and TUA knows that they can dress
(12:28):
it up however they want. He's got to stay on
the field, period. Yeah, I think that that's the conclusion
of it, right. I mean, that's not a hert that's
not a hard one to come to. And I don't
believe that that's a military secret.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
But I am.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Curious as to why TfL he had to say that, Like,
that's what was intriguing to me. Why did you feel
you needed to say there was.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
A culture shift?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
What was I would be curious what was the culture
that he believed existed before this culture shift? I think,
you know, for an attitude, like what is it like
maybe there was something going on that could have led
to him saying that.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
So I don't know if this is in reference to that,
but there was a report that I saw a few
weeks back, or it might have been you know, who
knows at this point, but earlier in the offseason where
there was the feeling that there were some veterans there
in Miami that were growing thin of Mike McDaniel and
(13:31):
his coaching style, and look, I don't know if that's true.
I don't know if that's been substantiated by anybody, but
there was that report out there, and it does feel
like we're kind of coming towards the all right. Either
they're making a run in the postseason. Mike McDaniel's coming
up on year number four. He's got a winning record,
(13:51):
but without Tua they've struggled, and I think Mike McDaniel
probably realizes, man, that really is the lynchpind Our success.
And if there's all these other rumblings about, like let's
say two it does stay healthy and they're a nine
to eight football team, he's probably gone. They're probably gonna
make a switch. I mean, so I think maybe Tua's
(14:14):
kind of understanding and reading the temperature of the room, like,
hey man, we got it, Like it's make or break
time here, and I think we're all sort of running
out of running, running short on time to be able
to fix this thing and get us back in the postseason.
That's what it feels like to me.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, the Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I don't know that people expect too much out of them,
except for those who are making those decisions. So I
think it's interesting because they have to do things that
make them more relevant mainstream. Like, I get it, we're
talking about them on a nationally syndicated radio show, but
(14:53):
that I mean, I feel like what's most interesting about
the Miami Dolphins is ken who will stay healthy, how
Mike McDaniel will be dressed, and how he will handle
the interviews. And I feel like that's it well, and
I don't feel like there's anything that really I mean,
(15:15):
Tyreek Hill is always going to give you a hitline
or two and.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Is in his father's day coming up, and you know,
I mean he is get paid.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
He's gonna get paid.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Well, I mean, yeah, like how many gifts is he.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I doubt he gets going get He could get like
some you know, I don't know. It's a good question.
He's going to get paid. You are stupid. That's his
tax return season. That's why he gets his tax return.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
What would come up on It's got like a Rolls
Royce from one kid.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
He's stupid.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I just I just think that the Dolphins, I mean,
they gotta do things to try to become more relevant.
I think that's ultimately what it comes down to and
the only way this team can create more relevance is
by winning. I think it's a very simple deal with
certain teams certain markets. Jacksonville is one of those teams
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where you just say, like the market itself doesn't lend
towards them. If they're not good, they're just not relevant.
And and like the Miami Dolphins, great market, you know,
great place to go hang. But in terms of sports
and football, I mean they haven't. I mean, the Hurricanes
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make them relevant as a football community. The Heat legitimize
them in basketball, and I mean the other sports.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That is what it is, right, Like, aren't the Marlins there?
I believe?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Oh god yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
So I just they got a win and there's too
many other things to do in Miami Heat.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
I worry about that team.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah that he got beat by seventy their final game
of the season. The Marlins playing a bounce house, but
not the one that floats away like like in South Africa.
Like it just yeah, it's there's going to be, you know,
other stuff going on. Man, there's other things.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You gotta do things to be relevant. That's all I say.
And you did mention the Miami Hurricanes football team. I
mean they're they're the team that really people get excited
about in Miami and in the Miami Dolphins. It's crazy,
but they have to you know, it's like the Browns
or the Bengals. You gotta compete in contend with the
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popularity of the Buckeyes. So Miami's got to do something, man.
But I just don't think that people really care too
much to get that deep into it. It's like one
of those teams is like, why are we talking about Miami? Yeah,
you know, they gotta they have to play themselves out
of that.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Which which does make the question why did Lee put
this on the rundown to discuss? If that's the case,
you know, like why.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, But it's worth discussing because of sports and it's
it's June and there's no NBA Finals game and w
n B A is on and and.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
I get news for you.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I will say this to you guys, at least you're
more relevant than.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
W n B.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
There is that. There is that. It is two pros
and a cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you coming up next, though,
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Speaker 2 (18:49):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 3 (19:03):
WIP shouts out to my man Jesse. Look atta man.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He had a whole bunch of clothes and what I
just sack Morton slippers sent to my house, Like I'm
gonna wear them too. It's like it made me think
a night of the Roxbury clothes. Like he's got real
great fashion. Since it never does anything nice for me
like that except Jesse.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Look at it.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Like all the dudes I've been you know, mentored and
been a part of their lives, nobody ever really gives
me anything, which I never asked for anything either, but
he gives me like you'd be we were the same
size as so he'd be giving me clothes and stuff,
giving me shoes Like It's pretty cool and I.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Feel like I've I've done a couple of things that still, yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
You do give me gift cards.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
I mean, have you guys been there? No, No, what
stuff I'm not going.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
To I am going to I guess maybe, But did
it expire?
Speaker 4 (20:04):
No?
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I don't think gift cards expire.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
They shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think they do. I think there are time frames
on them. Yeah, they do. I believe so, I believe.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
So do gift cards expire?
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Well, I mean that's like saying as money expire, because
it's basically money.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Under the law, a gift card cannot expire until at
least five years from the.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Date it was activated.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So it can.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
So it's not necessarily just like money.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It just doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
It just takes five years for them to say that
the money that was spent for that gift card is
now our money and we don't have to take that
gift card.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It's just.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I'm going I'm going I feel real bad now, I'm
going to go use it today.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We use it today.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
But like, if you think about it, that's true if
you think about the logic, If you think about the
logic of it, it's like saying, here's one hundred bucks,
but in five years from now, it's no longer good.
What do you mean that's that work? How does that work?
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Or if the place you got a gift card from
isn't there anymore.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Oh yeah, my wife did that. I got her gift
card to some place and she waited so long the
place went out of business.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Like, so you know, you should have called the place
before they went out of business and be like, hey, you.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Think I could get a refundel on that gift card
I got.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
I thought she'd used it, and he's like, oh yeah,
I never used it. I'm like, oh sweet, place closed.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Instead of getting me a gift card, just be like
a var like we're going to go out, and you
just pay because I always pay when I go out.
If you hadn't noticed, I never let you pay. I
don't let people pay when we go out. So Lee, Lee,
I let Lee pay at the at the hotel. What
do you mean do you pay?
Speaker 9 (21:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
What do you mean when we go? Yeah, we don't
ever go out. Have I've paid a couple of times?
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Have you when.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
The Well, we were at the graduate in State College
and I sneakily paid you did? I don't remember that
because because I just I was. It was my my
way to It was my getaway. Because I think you
and Lee had one shot and then you were like,
let's get another one, and then it just.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It was off, why can't I drink, bro, I don't
really look like the type that would be able to drink. Well,
maybe I do. I don't know. I don't know, but
we can drink.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
You are. I'll give you credit for this because you've said, like,
I can if I if I start, I can just
go all time. And I was like, everybody says that.
And then in New Orleans, by the way, this is
not an exaggeration. In New Orleans, the Thursday before our
final show in New Orleans, we had a company meeting
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downstairs at the hotel bar that started at like noon.
All right, we got off the air at eight am.
LeVar went to the bar afterwards to get breakfast, had drinks,
and I am not kidding. You did not leave that
area until what ten o'clock at night?
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It was late.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You put in fourteen hours in the same.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Late, in the same spot.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
It was midnight. It was to midnight, it was.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
It was really, why were you up till midnightly?
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, that night we were day. That day I took
it easy because that was after my fall. That was
the so you guys were going after it. I was
kind of the.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Which, which, by the way, the day you had your fall?
Was that the day we sat and drank hurricanes at
the at the.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Ball I think that.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
I think that is how that day started.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, it wasn't. That was the day after.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
It was the day after.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Yeah, yeah, because the Thursday, the Thursday, that wasn't.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
The day me and Lee sat together. I don't believe.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
I think I came in and I got breakfast and
started drinking, and then they came in and I ain't
know they were doing all that lunch and stuff like that,
so I'd start drinking with y'all. Then I went back
to the bar, started drinking over at the bar, and
you know B Mitch and B Mitch can can throw
down a little bit. So I ended up sitting with
B Mitch a few times. I mean, I don't leave.
(24:34):
If you notice, I do not leave my hotel. I'm
not like, I do not venture out. It was people
do venture out. I don't venture out.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I'll see if you can find a hotel with a
decent bar, downstairs.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Sitting area, that's it. You can see me.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
You could see me passed out on if they got
a comfortable couch, and if they got a comfortable couch
or a nice lounge area near the pool. You can
find me near the pool getting drinks or in the
lobby getting drinks that they have comfortable seating.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
And you know what was rough was Vegas year because
we were in the hotel, we were in the casino
the entire week.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
We didn't even get fresh air all week long.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
I did not.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But here's the thing. I treated New Orleans or anywhere else.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
That we stayed. I treated it the same exact way.
When we were in Arizona. I never left. I never left. Yeah,
I never left out of the hotel. When we were
in Vegas, I never left. When we were in New Orleans,
I never left. I never left.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
The only time I go outside the hotels when we
go do the radio. That's it.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
There's no reason to Food was good, weird, setup was good, nuts,
It's comfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
The first day, the first day I got there, I
wanted some chicken wings and I said, where are the
best wings at? And they throw this one spot and
I'd start walking. Then I realized, yeah, I'm not going
to do this again. I Am not going to venture out,
not one more time.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The best. By the way, By the way, I did
like cow So because yeah, Thursday night we all hung
out and fasally took over the hotel lobby. And the
next morning, Brady's like, by the way, did you notice
how I took my headphones off in the middle of
the first segment. I was like, yeah, what was that about?
He goes, I was gonna throw up. He's like, I
(26:27):
thought it was. I thought it was going to lose everything.
He goes, So I literally thought, I need to get
to the bathroom right away, because we went so hard
the night before.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Brady was, I mean, we went we went hard. Bro
We went hard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
When I can feel it, like when I can feel
the fact that I have drank too much, we have
done something extraordinarily and incorrect and irresponsible.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
How many, by the way, how many meals did you
have down there at that same hotel?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't eat well. I mean during the course of
the week.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
I man, our single handed league had handled breakfast for him.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
They took off your favorite They took off your favorite zo.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But gave it to me. But didn't they put it back.
I mean they made it for me, so that was cool.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
I want to steak and eggs. I love steaking eggs
in the morning man.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
That's my dip.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
No, well, not paying people is the dip of the
Cincinnati Bengals. That's the Bengals dip here on two pros
and a cup of joe. So much so that Shamar Stewart,
the rookie of the Cincinnati Bengals, the first round draft pick,
the defensive end, he's in a little bit of a
(27:44):
little bit of a dispute. The way this is being
reported is that the contractual hold up is due to
the language of the deal that the Bengals are trying
to set a new precedent with rookie contracts. It's gonna
give them the ability to avoid guarantees in their contracts,
and Stuart wants to have the same contract that every
(28:07):
other rookie's gotten in Cincinnati over the past however many years.
You want to lump in together. And so Shamar Stewart
talked yesterday about the situation and had this to say, as.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
In how far I'll take it, I mean, it just depends.
Like in my case, I'm one hundred percent right, I'm
gonna ask for nothing I've never done before. But in
y'all casey, I just want to win arguments that Winny
more games, in my opinion.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
I know business is business in football is football, But
have the veterans said anything. Has there been any reaction
at all with your situation.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
It's made it very easy when the people in air
locker room say you're doing the right things, especially the
star players.
Speaker 10 (28:47):
That stars in here. I'm not asking names, but stars
have said do what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, I mean how many more?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
I mean, who would sign a contract if what you're
saying is if that's like accuracy of it, of just
making it super simple. What guy would sign a contract
where the team is able to avoid all your you know,
I mean all your guarantees. And he's not like it's
his point. He's not asking for something different than what
they've done historically. What they've done historically is what he's
(29:19):
asking for. They're trying to do something new this year,
and I just think that if you want to do
something new, do what the other Cleveland team does. Just
guarantee at all. Yeah, go in the right direction. I'm
away going the wrong direction.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
I'm with you.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
You want to do something different, You don't want me
to hold out, you want me to be happy, you
know what, Just fully guarantee the hold entire contract.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Go ahead and jump, just go ahead and do it.
I'm with you. It's also I mean, Trey Hendrickson is
not reported.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I'm not like why they don't love their defensive players.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I don't know their defense.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And by the way, they asked Joe Brow yesterday're like,
is this a distraction? He's like yeah, He's like yeah,
He's all we had two distractions last year. We've got
another one this year. He's like, you know, so we're
down one.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Distractions this year.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, because Hendrickson wanted money last year, did yeah Hendrickson.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah, the Jamar Chase situation. And I know that it's
a mom and pop organization and it's family run and
all that, But at some point, do the Bengals not
look and go you know, there's a common theme here.
It's we've got players, really good players, and they and
(30:32):
they all have the same gripe and complaint over and
over and over again. At some point do the Bengals
want to like step up and go Maybe it's us,
Maybe we got to adjust how we're doing have we're
operating things here?
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I mean, when when you continue to do those things,
you're either insane or you're super successful. Their business model
must work for them. You know, what our business model
is for them might not necessarily be what their business
model is for them. So that's what I would say.
We're talking about a franchise, you know, what is their motivations?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
What you know? How how do you measure success?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I really do be wondering that sometimes for some of
these these franchises, like how do you measure what you're gauging?
If you were to tell the one hundred percent truth
to the public, how do you measure success? Well? Would you?
Because it always comes to the bottom line. It always
comes back to that.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
If you're ask an owner, would you rather win a
Super Bowl or make a bunch of money? And I
know they're you know, one and the.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Same, I would say, I was about to say, I
would think that you say they're one and the same
because if you do win super Bowls that that probably
will lead to you making more money, which is which
is weird to me, because if you're going to spend
the type of money to get to the Super Bowls,
win the Super Bowls, Like, think about how much much
(32:00):
money do you think the Kansas City Chiefs have earned
since Patrick Mahomes has become the quarterback, the starting quarterback
of Casey, And then you ask yourself, Okay, with the
way that we're running our organization, does it make sense
to keep all of these guys happy? And if it's
the guys that we're not going to keep happy and
we're going to let go, then how do we replace them?
(32:24):
And that is generally a great position for a general
manager to be in because it's not a hard sale
to say, hey, we got to keep Chris Jones, Hey
we got to keep Patrick Mahomes. You know, these are
the people that we have to keep. Are the other
people interchangeable? They have seemingly been so, But think about
the value of that franchise.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Now, did you when you were in Washington, Because you know,
schmar Stewart's mentioning man veterans here with the team, star
players are telling me you're doing the right thing. When
you're in Washington and like a rookie came in or
a new player came in, did you ever pull them
aside and be like, hey, just see, you know, place
a little bit different.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I'm sure I did. I'm sure I did, But I wasn't.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
I wasn't one of those type of guys that was
actively seeking guys out, like if you came and sat
with me, or we were on the practice field or whatever.
I was more about just having a good time, just
the camaraderie of it.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
But if somebody had a question.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, you know, about how things were handled or
things they should think about, or dues and not to
do's and stuff like that. Sure I had those conversations,
but I was never I can I can't recall really
ever having like bad mouth conversations, you know what I mean,
Like they ain't giving you your money because I always
stayed away from money with players, Like there are some
(33:41):
players that that's all that drove them, like, oh you
you make this da da da, or shut up full
you don't make enough money? Da da da. Just that
Like I never was one of them dudes, you know.
So you know, some guys make it about money. I
never made it about that. Some guys, you know, like
to insert themselves into situation paul, in the situations that
aren't necessarily theirs.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
And I just was always one of them dudes that
just you know I'm around, you know I'm around, but
I ain't gonna get in your business.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
So I probably wouldn't have been one of them dudes
that was saying you're doing the right thing unless he
came up to me and been like, you know, Varr,
what am I supposed to do? Da da da this,
that and the other. And then I'm like, Okay, explain
to me the situation. I want to fully understand the situation.
Then I'll, you know, let's come up with solutions.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
But if he were to tell me that they're trying
to give me a contract that's different than in any
other rookie, and that they're trying to say that I
should have my they should be able to avoid my guarantees,
I would tell him, get you you can't you know
you can't do that. Yeah, I wouldn't tell them. I
wouldn't advise a guy to do something I wouldn't do myself,
(34:49):
and I wouldn't do that deal.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
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(35:12):
it is our Good, are Bad, and our ugly, and
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Speaker 2 (35:16):
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Speaker 2 (36:11):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some
bad and then there's some downright ugly things.
Speaker 11 (36:17):
It's time for good, bad and lovely. All right, lead
to lab who's got what will? Jonas says, we do
each and every week we start with the good, and
this week you will be delivering those goods.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
The good is the return of the US Open to Oakmont.
I know this firsthand because in twenty sixteen, Fox Sports
Radio was out there for the coverage, as Fox was
the broadcasting They had the broadcasting rights for the US
Open that year, and so we went out there and
if anybody we kind of mentioned Oakmont earlier in the show,
(36:51):
it's on the outskirts of Pittsburgh. What would you say,
like twenty minutes away from downtown something like that.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, but I want to wear to golf out yeah, thirty.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
It is a beautiful part of the country when you
drive through the hills, when you drive get to the
get to the course, just the surrounding area it's like
it is especially this time of year. I mean, you
gotta hope there's no like tornado warnings like we had
back then and all that, and there's you know, lightning
storms and all that. But this time of year to
be featured again, so you can show off one of
(37:23):
the beautiful, more underrated parts of the country. I think
is awesome. So the US Open is back. Who's gonna win?
Who the hell knows? Maybe we'll spin a wheel for it.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
But who the hell cares?
Speaker 4 (37:33):
Oakmont, Pa. Good to be seen, good to be featured
yet again, beautiful part of the country. Well, can't have
good without the bad?
Speaker 3 (37:41):
LeVar What was bad this week? All right?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
First and foremost, Andrew Smith, thank you. It was a
Toyota land Cruiser that Greg Lloyd was driving. Couldn't come
up with the name, but it is Toyota land Cruiser,
that is correct.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
What on Toyota?
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Secondly, what's what's bad? Which it is in second?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
But man, like, can we can we just come together
and be okay with one another?
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Man?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
I was watching watching like I was watching like a
new addressing of the California Union yesterday.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
And there's something here.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Some cars are burning and people are throwing rocks and
stuff like that, Like there's a lot of Yeah, there's
just some unresolved issues, and you know, it's it seems
like it's like the gloves are all the way off.
I mean, maybe you could have saved that one for
yours because it really.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Is, like, it's really bad.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
I hope that there can be a resolution that that
is achieved and accomplished, because it should be all about solutions. So,
so what's going on in California? As my bad for
the week, obviously.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
Yeah that is bad and ugly, but from bad to worst?
Speaker 1 (38:55):
What was ugly this week?
Speaker 3 (38:57):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Do that?
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Jonas, I'll do that one. No blah, no, you ain't lying.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
No, stay away, stay away away.
Speaker 5 (39:13):
Well, guys, what was ugly this week is just the
time between games, you know, not often that we have
like a bunch of dead air between between the games and.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't even care to watch it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Yeah, tonight, tonight, I give up. Yeah, we got a
whole hour radio left and we haven't talked.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
About n B a one time. Damn, We're gonna talk
about dor and break
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