June 18, 2025 • 39 mins
The entirety of the WNBA continues to hate and beat up on their biggest star, Caitlin Clark. Giants will have to produce wins, or produce hope by forcing out Jaxson Dart. Plus, Noah Lyles cancels the race vs Tyreek Hill, Rafael Devers prepares to play with the Giants and much more!
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hey man, Wi what man? Hey? Bruh? They after Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Man, it's wild.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They gotta let her live. Bruh. They trying to assassinate her?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, did you see sit y'all, meal, ticket y'all out
there trying to kill her?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, to get it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did you see the Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
This feels like a reckless accusation by Brian wrote in
on Twitter and said, this bleep Jonas was in the
fetal position, lashing out with his fellow bleeps, trying to
defend his goat athlete Kate Clark against her players picking
on her. Now, part of that is accurate, and the
part that's accurate is it does feel like a concerted
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effort by the at least a large portion of the
w NBA to go out of their way to make
life hell for their meal ticket.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I just don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I do not understand how they're not looking at her
and saying, hey, if she's bringing all of this to
our league, and it's going to mean more money for
all of us, and it's going to be better for
everybody involved, why are we trying to get rid of it?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
If I'm katelynk Clark, I'm hiring a dope ass lawyer
and I'm going to sue and try to own the
w n B A and then I'm retiring. Yeah, then
I'm retiring because, honestly, at some point, the brutality on
that young lady, it's not okay. It's not okay, man,
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It's just it's not. It's a sport. Listen, you might
be a little jealous of her athletic ability, you know,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
There's a lot that goes into the physicality of playing
at the pro level. She knows how to dish it out.
That's once. That's that should be stated. She does know
how to dish out some physicality as well, but the
assertive effort going towards her Jonas is it's to me,
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it's it's to the point now where it's going over
the line.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I don't think it's a I've heard some people throw out, well,
it's a race issue. I don't think it is. I
just think it's it's jealousy. I think it's pettiness. I
don't think that it's just a black and white thing.
Cedric Maxwell tells this story about when Larry Bird came
to training camp the first time with the Celtics, that
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he was looking at him going, oh, this is going
to be easy work, and then after the first practice
he was like, never mind it. You could you just
realize all birds that good. It didn't matter what color
he was, He's just that good.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That was more. I felt like.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Maybe a little bit of that early on in his career.
This just feels like pettiness. It feels like jealousy, and
it feels like people that are so narrow minded in
their approach and view of their league and also what
it could do for their career, like this could be
great for everybody's rear involved all the other opportunities that
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could that could come along with it.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I brought this up before.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think it was Charles Barkley was in an interview
and he said, when Magic Johnson signed that big contract
he got, the Sixers players were high fiving in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
They weren't upset.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
They were happy about it because they looked at that
and said, well, if he's getting that kind of money,
that's great for all of us, like like that, that's
good for everybody involved. And instead in the w NBA,
all they're doing is trying to diminish it. Like they're
just trying. They're trying to stop it before it can
really get going. I don't get it. I don't understand everybody.
Everybody's taking shots at her. By the way, it's not
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a it's not a race thing, it's not a black
white thing. It's you know, it's a Caitlin Clark thing.
And and and with that being said, and listen, I
don't watch the w n B a like that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I look for the headlines, I look at the highlights,
and I could one hundred percent take a lot of
things out of context. So I'm not going to go
that deep into it. Just at a surface level. I
will say these these women hate Caitlyn Clark. They and
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you could say, all right, well you get on the
floor and it's going to be a physical game.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Get it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's the pros So at that level it is physical,
get it. But the physicality against Caitlyn Clark in the
way that it's being executed in the things that I'm seeing,
it is one hundred percent of Caitlyn Clark. Thing is
something about Caitlyn Clark, even more so, I think, even
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more so than her game, because her game is serious,
like she still ends up getting hers in the games
and looking at the stat lines, she's still she's still thriving.
But there's something more to it. Now, whatever that is,
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I don't know, and I don't pretend to know, But
there's something more to it. Jonas as to why these
girls are so inflamed by Caitlyn Clark, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know. Like, is Caitlyn Clark the fastest ballplayer? No?
Is she the tallest ballplayer? No? Is she the prettiest ballplayer? No?
Is she the is she? She? Might? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The only category that she stands the top of is
most talented and most popular? Like that is where she's
at the top of the mountain and to me and listen,
you can say daln. But I mean, I ain't trying
to throw shade, but there are I mean, there are
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probably more than a ton of girls in a WNBA
that looked better than Kitlyn Clark. Just esthetically speaking, I'm
just you know, I'm just always wanting to try to
speak my truth. But listen, I just I think at
some point though, there has to be like the whole
Angel Reese Caitlyn Clark thing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I don't see it as being a.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Magic Bird thing, because Magic and Bird really were peers.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
They really were, like it really was, they were that good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think that I think that they're both polarizing figures,
but Caitlyn Clark is for real, the real deal in
terms of a game changer as a player.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I don't, you know, Angel Reese.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I get it, she's broken records, she's done some pretty
good things when she was a rookie, But I just
don't see them being peers in terms of the impact
that that they're having. And that could be ignorance. I
don't And if I get called out on that, that's okay,
that could be ignorance. But I just don't see this
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as if if the whole ultimate goal is that Caitlyn
Clark has taken the league by storm, you want to
leverage Caitlyn Clark, but to be able to make a
villain and a hero scenario where you have these adversaries,
these these arch enemies that are driving the league. I
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don't think that's Angel Reese. And so to me, there
are other girls in the league, and I get that
the whole idea of them coming out in the draft together,
they competed at a high level in college. I mean,
those girls had really dope teammates. LSU was a dope
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basketball team. Jonas Iowa was a dope basketball team. But nonetheless,
there is no mistaking that the difference is is LSU
was a team that was really good. Iowa was a
team that was really good. But Caitlyn Clark was easily
the catalyst of why that team was really good.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I actually watched back then.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But I think this is a miss if they continued
to allow this and they don't put a stop to
this some way, somehow, which I don't know how they
do it. But if they don't put a stop to
this and and get a get a hold of these
these girls doing what they're doing to her, She's going
to get hurt bad for real, and and that ain't good.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
That was legitimate contact last night where she got clawed
in the face and then somebody just can't got blindsided.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Which, by the way, while we're talking, you said, is
this a racial thing at the beginning of the deal
those were two white girls.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That was white. I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't even think it was like different shades of white.
I think they were both like right around the same tint.
To be honest with you, as somebody who's pale, I
can speak on that.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I'll speak that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I said light skin and dark skin in the first
first hour, so with with Pascal and Haliburton, so you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Know, yeah, but I'm with you, man.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I don't understand how there's not more of an uproar
or people within the w n b A offices, even
if they even have offices. Maybe they just have a
couple of cubicles somewhere. Whatever they got, get together and
figure out a way to cut the crap. You've got
something in your hands that can make everybody else greater,
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uh wealthier, bring more eyeballs to the to the league
like this is your golden goose, so to speak. And
instead all they're trying to do is is diminish it,
hurt or foul her, throw her off her game, Like
if if you saw the ratings dip that it took
when she was out of games, and then she comes back.
You've seen the attendance. You've seen the attendance in w
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NBA arenas everywhere go up. It's not a coincidence, man,
And there's and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know, listening to you Jonas, you know what it
gives me? Honestly, dang am I.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Going to do this? This gives me?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Michael Jordan, do you remember what they was doing to
Mike early on in his career. They were beating his ass,
I mean beating him down like to this this degree,
which is crazy because they I mean maybe not quite
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as as bad with Caitlyn Clark, because they were getting
at Mike, and Mike had to go into the weight room.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Mike had to start working out and lifting weights and
getting stronger to be able to deal with you know,
the amount of brutality against I think the comparable here,
I do believe, and I do declare today at seven
thirteen am in State College, Pennsylvania at the last building.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That this is.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Caitlyn Clark is a more comparable figure in terms of
where she is in what she represents. It is not
a comp to make it a Magic and Bird comparison.
It's a Michael Jordan comparison, because you got a guy
that came in and was able to capture everybody's imagination.
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He had everybody on the edge of their seats. What
was he going to do next?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And you know what.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
The Detroit Pistons they beat him up. The Boston Celtics,
they beat him up. These teams beat him up. And
that's what Caitlyn Clark is getting right now. She came in,
she had as people on the edges of their seat.
She is a polarizing figure. You're looking at someone who
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is making history in the present moment. You may never
you haven't seen a Caitlyn Clark to this point, and
there's a strong possibility you may never see another Caitlyn
Clark ever. Again, you're seeing the beginnings of the same
type of meteoric rise that Michael Jordan had when he
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was in the younger days of his career. That to me,
for women's basketball. The better comp is that Caitlyn Clark
has the Michael Jordan aura. And yet that's what this.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Is, and you know it's even What makes it even
worse to that point as well, is that when Michael
Jordan first came in and he was being there was
rough house constantly, and they were hurting him and he
was getting injured and he had to go to the
weight room and all that, the NBA was healthy, like,
you still had stars there. It was a healthy product.
It was entertaining, it was interesting. You had the Lakers
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and the Celtics and the Pistons and all these great teams,
the Sixers, all these great teams. The w n B
A had nothing like this.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
This was it.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You got it. It's right here.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
And their clonner in the face and Blindsidner. I just
the whole thing is puzzling to me. I really do
not understand that level of pettiness and jealousy. I don't
get it. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But it makes for the story because that is more
of the story than the w NBA itself, Which is
that's even more interesting, is that you have to drive
the storylines. Again, I sit in in the first hour,
and I'll say it again in an hour two.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I love football.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I love the demographic, you know, I love I love
the entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I love the experience of what football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Creates in media, not just in the game itself, but
what it creates in terms of coverage and conversation in media.
I don't have give me like for all the people
out there that may be judging us on like looking
at it from this this perspective, give me a better
storyline for the w NBA. Where's the where's the other storylines?
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No other storylines dominate the headlines. There are no dominant
headlines from the w NBA. You have one and and
and that's what the sports sports coverage leans into. That's
the relevance of it all. You have one, and you're
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allowing her to get her ass whooped. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's weird. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
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This is the second time you brought up a name
I'm not familiar with. There's first it was Rob Parker.
Now it's just stop, like, what are we getting here? Stop?
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Speaker 3 (17:47):
What are we doing here?
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All right?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
So Brian day Ball a man that we referred to
as dump truck Nuts because his first game as Giants
head coach, he decided to go for two and win
the game. I believe it was against the Titans, if
I'm remembering correctly, and the play worked, and it worked
because of a mistackle, but nonetheless, the moniker stuck. He's
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old dump truck Nuts there, and he's sort of having
to reel from the fact that Saquon Barkley's an Eagle,
he just won a Super Bowl, he's on the cover
of Madden. He's got all these other things that have
happened Daniel joneses elsewhere, and now they've got a loaded
quarterback room themselves. They've got Russell Wilson, they've got Jamis Winston.
They've got Tommy DeVito, and they've got Jackson Dart who
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they drafted. And Brian dave All, the head coach of
the Giants, spoke about the development of Jackson Dart thus far.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, he's not excellent.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
He's picking up information. It's really good to have Russ
and Jamis and even Tommy because Tommy's been in this
system for a few years here and he's kind of
the head statesman in terms of that and all the
adjustments that take place or the calls. Uh, He's fit
right in with those guys. He's smart, he's aggressive with
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the football, which I like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And then you know, the true test will be once
once we start and there's live hitting and preseason games
and things like that. But he's progressed, you know, since
he's been here to where he's not, he's made he's
made good improvement.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That was Brian Dable about his head coach or talking
about the head coach of the Giants talking about his
young rookie quarterback Jackson Dart live hitting. Well, here's what's
interesting about the Giants.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Does that exist with quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Oh, you don't think they're getting right enough.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Things will adjustin when there's live.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I got news for you.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
If Caitlyn Clark was a quarterback, she'd be getting lit
up in practice, lit up in practice if that was
the case the way she gets treated. But the Giants
are interesting to me just from the standpoint that it's
last call for Brian Dayball and Joe Shane, like this
is it and with all the success that Saquon Barkley
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has had elsewhere. I think you brought up the point
last week. If Daniel Jones goes out and he balls
out in Indianapolis, this is a really bad look for
those guys because those are the two names at the
forefront of decisions they made as an organization who would
then be elsewhere and who would then have success elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And I look at.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
It and I go, how do they navigate this scenario
in situation? Because if they're at a point in the
season where they are struggling or they've got a losing record,
they've got to show either wins or hope in.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Order to keep their jobs.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And the only way you are providing hope is if
Jackson Darket's an opportunity to play, which means then it
gets awkward with Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston seems like he's
gonna it just feels like this season. I know you'd
mentioned that they might be a sleeper team, but if
they start out and they've got this losing record or
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they're struggling to keep up with everybody else in the division,
at some point they're going to have to turn the
reins over to Jackson Dart and it's probably going to
be I don't want to say a throwaway year, but
maybe a down year record wise, But that's really the
only option they have, either produce wins or produce hope
if they want to be around next year to keep
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their roles with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You know, the NFC East is going to be a
tough division. It could end up being the NFC East
of Old where it is all is good in the world.
Things are better when the NFC East is very competitive.
And when you look at the teams right now, you'd say,
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obviously the Eagles are going to be a force and
a power. The Commanders were one game away from from
playing for Super Bowl geez, and I don't think that
they're not going to be uh just as good, if
not better. I'd assume that Jayson Daniels takes steps forward
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in his sophomore season in the league. And then there's
the other two that are outliers or could be relatively
unknown as to what they can possibly be now having
and I asked, we asked people about, you know, Prisco,
about the duo in Dallas with with Pickens and Lamb
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and how that may go. I feel like, if if
they're able to do what they need to do, their
defense will be fine, if they can stay healthy, if
if they can figure out how to coexist dak Ceedee Lamb,
George Pickens, if they can, if they can coexist, they
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could be very dangerous. The Cowboys could be a dangerous team.
But again you you said it lit earlier, and I
believe this to be true. The New York Giants have
the makings of a very competitive team and and this
has to be in in in my estimation, this has
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to be the year that you see some of that
potential come to fruition. The defensive front is going to
be sick like it's that is a cold, that is
a flu shot that every single team that they play
will need. So now it comes down to when you're
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talking about to two teams and the Cowboys and the
Giants in the in the NFC East, that our question
marks as to can they can they take a next
step to being better teams. They you got to look
at their schedules, right, and so when you look at
the Giants schedules that you know, the Giants schedule coming
out of the preseason, they start right out the gate
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and they got to play the Commanders. That's going to
be tough for them. Then they have the Cowboys Necks,
that's going to be tough for them. Then they have
the Chiefs and the Chargers, and then they might get
a week off with the Saints.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Saints could be good, they could be a sleep or too,
I don't know. But then you look at the Eagles.
So now they got to play all their divisional foes
and their opponents with the Chiefs sprinkled in there and
the Chargers sprinkled in there. That's not a good that's
to me, that's not a good draw. No, that's not
a good draw at all.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, it's not a good schedule. It's not a
good schedule that's conducive to them having you know, a crazy,
crazy successful year but if they're able to make it
out of that first part of the year somewhat in good,
good shape, I think, and kind of the end of
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the tail end of their set. No, it's not it's
a bad schedule for them. It's a bad schedule. Yeah,
it's a bad and I.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Think I think it's feasible to believe that this team
is one in seven by the time November comes around,
it's possible. And if that's the case and you're basically
the halfway point of the year and Russell Wilson is
still your starter, I mean, if you're Brian Dayball, you're
not saying, all right, we got it, at least see.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
What we got with Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, at least show something to convince ownership that, hey,
I know this was another rough year.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I know we had another down year.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But at least we've got this to kind of hang
our hat on and the development of a young quarterback. Otherwise,
he's going to become one of these young quarterbacks that
gets drafted into a situation and he's a rookie and
after a year there's already a coaching change. And we've
seen that all over the league, especially in recent years.
Caleb Williams is going through it this year, Drake may
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is going to go through it this year. It just
it feels like this is a spot where there to
open up the year with that run of teams that
you've got to deal with, and there's divisional games, but
don't worry the non divisional games. You just gotta get
the Chiefs, as you pointed out, don't worry about It's
just it's just the Chiefs. I wouldn't worry about anything.
And it's the Chiefs with the red ass who have
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something to prove this year. I mean, it just feels
like a problem.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It feels coming out of that Saints game.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Then they got a run of the Eagles, the Broncos,
the Eagles again, the Niners, the Bears. I don't know
about what they're going to be, the Packers, the Lions.
That is uh, that's brutal.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, man, that's brutal.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Kind of screwed, that's brutal. I don't know how that
pans out. I don't know how that looks, but I
will say this, if you're putting if you're going to
put Dart in there and figure it out, versus having
one of the other guys in there, it's to me,
it's all about It's all about system, quarterbacking, game managing.
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They're going to have to establish a running game. They're
going to have to play really really good defense. They're
going to have to play for the other teams to
make mistakes versus try to outscore the other teams in
terms of offensively, shootouts, different things like that. To try
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to win games, they're going to have to do it
the conventional, the old school battle of attrition way, where
you play offense, you kick the ball, you play super
good defense, because that's still right now, what your established
strength is, and see what you can do. Because some
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of these teams that are on their schedule, it's gonna
be hard for them if it turns into a track meet.
You cannot allow for games to turn into offensive explosions
because you just don't really know what you have offensively
with this team just yet. And it's hard to say
you can come to a conclusion as to what, Yeah,
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I mean, I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Quarterback situation is worse.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is the Cleveland Brown situation or the New York Giants
situation that quarterback, I don't know which one is worse.
Bro I don't damn. Both have a super Bowl winning
quarterback that they're planning on starting, both have a backup
and a guy that has potential. Now Jamis has to
(28:54):
me proven himself more than what a picket has, and
maybe you're confident that Jamis can get out there and
do something. If Russell who I'm assuming those are the
two that are going to be starting Flacco and Wilson.
If those two don't work out, I would say that
you got the better opportunity with and maybe the swing
(29:15):
vote goes with Jameis Winston because he can play some
ball and has proven it while Pikett really hasn't. But
then you go to the next guy, and is that
de Veto or is it the draft pick? In dark
you go to the next guy? Is it Gabriel or
is it Sanders. It's like it's a pretty wild deal
(29:36):
to try to figure out and navigate how you're going
to potentially use the quarterbacks that you have in your room.
In both of these situations, I don't know which one
is the harder one to deal with, other than to
say I think that maybe Jameis Winston could be the
determining factor.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, at least he's fun.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You know, at least there's that, so I would give
the Giants quarterbacks more optimistic.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
There.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
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Speaker 2 (31:34):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Ugly all right, lead to lab who's got what well?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
As we do each and every week, Jonas, we start
with the good and this week, you know what, Jonas,
you can.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Deliver the good. Ah Gassias.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Now, we were mentioning earlier in the show about the
treatment of Katelyn and Clark by the WNBA players. The
bitterness the jealousy, all of that that came along with it.
It's just we don't understand it. I don't get it.
I don't know why you would do anything to bite
the hand that feeds you. All the eyeballs, the revenue,
(32:16):
the things that show up. And thankfully the good of
the week goes to none other than Sophie Cunningham of
the Indiana Fever, who has basically become the de facto enforcer,
if you will. Last night, nice little moy Thie plum Clinch,
after taking down the woman who gouged the eye of
(32:39):
Caitlin Clark earlier in the game, just grab hard foul,
got attacked and went moytie around the neck and brought
her down. Now, if there was any space in between
and not a bunch of bodies in the way, probably
would have landed a couple of knees straight to the face.
Sophie Cunningham, by the way, interesting interesting year for her,
(33:01):
based on some reports that have been out there. I
don't know whether or not those reports true, but very
interesting why she was traded away and is now with
the Indiana Fever. But nonetheless, at least somebody has stepped
up and somebody's got the back of Caitlin Clark because
it needed to happen, and at least last night we
got a small glimmer of hope that this crap is
going to be stopped in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
That's my good for the week right on.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yes, some interesting accusations out there for Sophie Cunningham. Well,
Jonas can't have good without the bad. I'll deliver the
bad this week.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
How about this?
Speaker 7 (33:32):
We were all robbed of what could have been an
amazing sporting event this weekend, something we may never get
a chance to see.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Noah Lyles versus Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
They were going to race on one hundred meter race
in Times Square of all places.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But guess who whissied out?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
No Liles, no surprise, said so yesterday in France that
for personal reasons he has to back out of the
race versus Tyreek. Of course, Tyrek he posted a ten
point five hundred meter at the Last Chance Sprint Series
this week and said Noah could never even though Noah
has posted better than that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
But yeah, we're all robbed of the amazing event this weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean he doesn't beat no Allows on a Yeah,
Like what are we talking?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
About So that's whatever about all of what you want?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Isn't this were they agreeing on? Was it a fifty meter.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Race, fifty to sixty meter race that that there could
be something to that. There could be something to that.
I still don't think he wins, but there could be
that could be more of a competitive race one hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He's not getting no.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Allowed, by the way, Probably a good idea for Tyreek
Hill to just like just focus on the year, focus
on the dolphin season, and let's try and figure that
all out, because it feels like there's a lot of
other things off the field that are going on with
Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Not a competitive dudes, man, he's just super competitive and
he's competitive and all the things that he does, including
winning the baby battles.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I mean, he's just trying to lose, man, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Or even owning, you know, the situation that he's in
with the people that you know, deliver them.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
You know, he's got like a six kid lead on
Brady right now.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well there you go, so which is that's a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And Tyreek got it. He got that work. See that's
definitely needs that break after you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Uh just I wonder if he takes breaks.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It just does.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Feel like it does feel like Tyreek's got a lot
going on, not named playing for the Dolphins, and he's
got to got to focus on. I would have liked
to have seen by the way, him versus Noah Lliles
is the perfect summertime sporting event. That's that's the perfect one.
And now it ain't gonna happens.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I think, so that's the one to do.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Huh yeah, dude.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
In the summertime, you know, we're looking around for for
stuff to watch. People are trying to get interested in
other things. We're talking about the w n B A
and and a golf course. Aouldn't let anybody, you know,
shoot under par Like, hey, let's let's throw it out there.
Hockey's over, basketball be over on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Yeah, Like you said, that would have actually started the summer.
I think summer starts on Friday. It would have taken
place on Saturday. That would have been the perfect start
to the summer.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Summer has already started out here.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
It's hot as balls sure in southern California, that's true.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
We're fighting for the pool at by spot Well. From
bad to worse LeVar. What was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean the tray battle red socks, right, Grafiel divers,
you know, divers divers sounds better to me. That's that's
my ugly for the week. I mean, there's a lot
of different angles you can take take on on devers, divers, divers,
(36:50):
the beavers, but I think it's ugly for this the
simple fact that it's just there, you.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Go, yeah, not bad beaver, bad beaver.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I think it just comes across as we're getting further
and further away from foundational To me, this is me,
we're getting away further and further from foundational beliefs and
approaches to how you're supposed to be productive in your life.
(37:28):
And being productive is part of being kind of gracious,
gracious about opportunities, taking taking opportunities and maximizing them instead
of being like diva ish about things, and and so
to me, I think it's kind of ugly because if
I'm looking at it reading, you know the causes and
(37:50):
you know well that I don't want to play this
base or the kind of the bad discussion points about
how you feel about the team and organization and all
those those different things that's coming out just play ball, Mande.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Ultimately, just just play ball.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, I don't care what position you play, or
what position you bat in or whatever. You're getting paid
a ton of flipping money to play a sport.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Just get out there and play.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
You don't have to always be happy.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Find your happiness, but learn how to adapt into adjust
the things.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
What was funny about the Dever stuff is so he
gets moved to dh because they signed Bragman. Then they
have an injury at first base they ask him to
go to first base.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
He basically tells him to kiss his ass.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
They should do their job and find somebody else to
replace their first base issues. Then he gets traded to
the Giants and at his press conference yesterday says, I'm
willing to play wherever they want me to play, basically
like I wasn't in Boston, but with the Giants, I will,
absolutely I will.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
And he's got, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
A lot of money left on long term deal and
he's gonna be sitting pretty.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
At the end of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Well, you can't tell everybody you're gonna play me where
I want to play, you know what I mean, Like,
let's just be real here. I don't know that he's
doing that out of being a good dude. You're doing
it out of necessity.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I also think it shows that the relationship with Boston
was fractured to the point.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Of course it was didn't want to be there, They
didn't want them there, probably, But to me, there's there's
I don't know, I just.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Hey, you know that was my ugly. Yeah, I'll leave
it there.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That was my ugly for the Bosox, that's for sure.
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Speaker 3 (00:39):
Hey man, Wi what man? Hey? Bruh? They after Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Man, it's wild.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They gotta let her live. Bruh. They trying to assassinate her?
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, did you see sit y'all, meal, ticket y'all out
there trying to kill her?
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, to get it?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Did you see the Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
This feels like a reckless accusation by Brian wrote in
on Twitter and said, this bleep Jonas was in the
fetal position, lashing out with his fellow bleeps, trying to
defend his goat athlete Kate Clark against her players picking
on her. Now, part of that is accurate, and the
part that's accurate is it does feel like a concerted
(01:23):
effort by the at least a large portion of the
w NBA to go out of their way to make
life hell for their meal ticket.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I just don't get it. I don't understand.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
I do not understand how they're not looking at her
and saying, hey, if she's bringing all of this to
our league, and it's going to mean more money for
all of us, and it's going to be better for
everybody involved, why are we trying to get rid of it?
Speaker 6 (01:55):
Kate.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
If I'm katelynk Clark, I'm hiring a dope ass lawyer
and I'm going to sue and try to own the
w n B A and then I'm retiring. Yeah, then
I'm retiring because, honestly, at some point, the brutality on
that young lady, it's not okay. It's not okay, man,
(02:19):
It's just it's not. It's a sport. Listen, you might
be a little jealous of her athletic ability, you know,
I get it.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
There's a lot that goes into the physicality of playing
at the pro level. She knows how to dish it out.
That's once. That's that should be stated. She does know
how to dish out some physicality as well, but the
assertive effort going towards her Jonas is it's to me,
(02:55):
it's it's to the point now where it's going over
the line.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I don't think it's a I've heard some people throw out, well,
it's a race issue. I don't think it is. I
just think it's it's jealousy. I think it's pettiness. I
don't think that it's just a black and white thing.
Cedric Maxwell tells this story about when Larry Bird came
to training camp the first time with the Celtics, that
(03:22):
he was looking at him going, oh, this is going
to be easy work, and then after the first practice
he was like, never mind it. You could you just
realize all birds that good. It didn't matter what color
he was, He's just that good.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
That was more. I felt like.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Maybe a little bit of that early on in his career.
This just feels like pettiness. It feels like jealousy, and
it feels like people that are so narrow minded in
their approach and view of their league and also what
it could do for their career, like this could be
great for everybody's rear involved all the other opportunities that
(04:03):
could that could come along with it.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
And I brought this up before.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I think it was Charles Barkley was in an interview
and he said, when Magic Johnson signed that big contract
he got, the Sixers players were high fiving in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
They weren't upset.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
They were happy about it because they looked at that
and said, well, if he's getting that kind of money,
that's great for all of us, like like that, that's
good for everybody involved. And instead in the w NBA,
all they're doing is trying to diminish it. Like they're
just trying. They're trying to stop it before it can
really get going. I don't get it. I don't understand everybody.
Everybody's taking shots at her. By the way, it's not
(04:39):
a it's not a race thing, it's not a black
white thing. It's you know, it's a Caitlin Clark thing.
And and and with that being said, and listen, I
don't watch the w n B a like that.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I look for the headlines, I look at the highlights,
and I could one hundred percent take a lot of
things out of context. So I'm not going to go
that deep into it. Just at a surface level. I
will say these these women hate Caitlyn Clark. They and
(05:16):
you could say, all right, well you get on the
floor and it's going to be a physical game.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Get it.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
It's the pros So at that level it is physical,
get it. But the physicality against Caitlyn Clark in the
way that it's being executed in the things that I'm seeing,
it is one hundred percent of Caitlyn Clark. Thing is
something about Caitlyn Clark, even more so, I think, even
(05:46):
more so than her game, because her game is serious,
like she still ends up getting hers in the games
and looking at the stat lines, she's still she's still thriving.
But there's something more to it. Now, whatever that is,
(06:06):
I don't know, and I don't pretend to know, But
there's something more to it. Jonas as to why these
girls are so inflamed by Caitlyn Clark, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
I don't know. Like, is Caitlyn Clark the fastest ballplayer? No?
Is she the tallest ballplayer? No? Is she the prettiest ballplayer? No?
Is she the is she? She? Might? Well?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
The only category that she stands the top of is
most talented and most popular? Like that is where she's
at the top of the mountain and to me and listen,
you can say daln. But I mean, I ain't trying
to throw shade, but there are I mean, there are
(06:57):
probably more than a ton of girls in a WNBA
that looked better than Kitlyn Clark. Just esthetically speaking, I'm
just you know, I'm just always wanting to try to
speak my truth. But listen, I just I think at
some point though, there has to be like the whole
Angel Reese Caitlyn Clark thing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I don't see it as being a.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Magic Bird thing, because Magic and Bird really were peers.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
They really were, like it really was, they were that good.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
I think that I think that they're both polarizing figures,
but Caitlyn Clark is for real, the real deal in
terms of a game changer as a player.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
I don't, you know, Angel Reese.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I get it, she's broken records, she's done some pretty
good things when she was a rookie, But I just
don't see them being peers in terms of the impact
that that they're having. And that could be ignorance. I
don't And if I get called out on that, that's okay,
that could be ignorance. But I just don't see this
(08:14):
as if if the whole ultimate goal is that Caitlyn
Clark has taken the league by storm, you want to
leverage Caitlyn Clark, but to be able to make a
villain and a hero scenario where you have these adversaries,
these these arch enemies that are driving the league. I
(08:38):
don't think that's Angel Reese. And so to me, there
are other girls in the league, and I get that
the whole idea of them coming out in the draft together,
they competed at a high level in college. I mean,
those girls had really dope teammates. LSU was a dope
(08:59):
basketball team. Jonas Iowa was a dope basketball team. But nonetheless,
there is no mistaking that the difference is is LSU
was a team that was really good. Iowa was a
team that was really good. But Caitlyn Clark was easily
the catalyst of why that team was really good.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I actually watched back then.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But I think this is a miss if they continued
to allow this and they don't put a stop to
this some way, somehow, which I don't know how they
do it. But if they don't put a stop to
this and and get a get a hold of these
these girls doing what they're doing to her, She's going
to get hurt bad for real, and and that ain't good.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
That was legitimate contact last night where she got clawed
in the face and then somebody just can't got blindsided.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Which, by the way, while we're talking, you said, is
this a racial thing at the beginning of the deal
those were two white girls.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
That was white. I don't.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I don't even think it was like different shades of white.
I think they were both like right around the same tint.
To be honest with you, as somebody who's pale, I
can speak on that.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I'll speak that.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I said light skin and dark skin in the first
first hour, so with with Pascal and Haliburton, so you.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
Know, yeah, but I'm with you, man.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I don't understand how there's not more of an uproar
or people within the w n b A offices, even
if they even have offices. Maybe they just have a
couple of cubicles somewhere. Whatever they got, get together and
figure out a way to cut the crap. You've got
something in your hands that can make everybody else greater,
(10:47):
uh wealthier, bring more eyeballs to the to the league
like this is your golden goose, so to speak. And
instead all they're trying to do is is diminish it,
hurt or foul her, throw her off her game, Like
if if you saw the ratings dip that it took
when she was out of games, and then she comes back.
You've seen the attendance. You've seen the attendance in w
(11:10):
NBA arenas everywhere go up. It's not a coincidence, man,
And there's and there's nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know, listening to you Jonas, you know what it
gives me? Honestly, dang am I.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Going to do this? This gives me?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Michael Jordan, do you remember what they was doing to
Mike early on in his career. They were beating his ass,
I mean beating him down like to this this degree,
which is crazy because they I mean maybe not quite
(11:48):
as as bad with Caitlyn Clark, because they were getting
at Mike, and Mike had to go into the weight room.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Mike.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Mike had to start working out and lifting weights and
getting stronger to be able to deal with you know,
the amount of brutality against I think the comparable here,
I do believe, and I do declare today at seven
thirteen am in State College, Pennsylvania at the last building.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
That this is.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Caitlyn Clark is a more comparable figure in terms of
where she is in what she represents. It is not
a comp to make it a Magic and Bird comparison.
It's a Michael Jordan comparison, because you got a guy
that came in and was able to capture everybody's imagination.
(12:40):
He had everybody on the edge of their seats. What
was he going to do next?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
And you know what.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
The Detroit Pistons they beat him up. The Boston Celtics,
they beat him up. These teams beat him up. And
that's what Caitlyn Clark is getting right now. She came in,
she had as people on the edges of their seat.
She is a polarizing figure. You're looking at someone who
(13:08):
is making history in the present moment. You may never
you haven't seen a Caitlyn Clark to this point, and
there's a strong possibility you may never see another Caitlyn
Clark ever. Again, you're seeing the beginnings of the same
type of meteoric rise that Michael Jordan had when he
(13:32):
was in the younger days of his career. That to me,
for women's basketball. The better comp is that Caitlyn Clark
has the Michael Jordan aura. And yet that's what this.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Is, and you know it's even What makes it even
worse to that point as well, is that when Michael
Jordan first came in and he was being there was
rough house constantly, and they were hurting him and he
was getting injured and he had to go to the
weight room and all that, the NBA was healthy, like,
you still had stars there. It was a healthy product.
It was entertaining, it was interesting. You had the Lakers
(14:11):
and the Celtics and the Pistons and all these great teams,
the Sixers, all these great teams. The w n B
A had nothing like this.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
This was it.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
You got it. It's right here.
Speaker 5 (14:22):
And their clonner in the face and Blindsidner. I just
the whole thing is puzzling to me. I really do
not understand that level of pettiness and jealousy. I don't
get it. I just don't get it.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But it makes for the story because that is more
of the story than the w NBA itself, Which is
that's even more interesting, is that you have to drive
the storylines. Again, I sit in in the first hour,
and I'll say it again in an hour two.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I love football.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
I love the demographic, you know, I love I love
the entertainment aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I love the experience of what football.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Creates in media, not just in the game itself, but
what it creates in terms of coverage and conversation in media.
I don't have give me like for all the people
out there that may be judging us on like looking
at it from this this perspective, give me a better
storyline for the w NBA. Where's the where's the other storylines?
(15:27):
No other storylines dominate the headlines. There are no dominant
headlines from the w NBA. You have one and and
and that's what the sports sports coverage leans into. That's
the relevance of it all. You have one, and you're
(15:48):
allowing her to get her ass whooped. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It's weird. I don't get it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe.
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have a disc us about a very very interesting QB
room in the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
That'll be yours, right, here on FSR.
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Speaker 5 (16:21):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up in
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Speaker 4 (16:34):
It's our Midweek Awards. The Good, the Bad, and the ugly.
Those will be yours here on FSR.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Uh LaVar Arrington, or as some people call you, Laver Arrington.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Your former team, the New York Black.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Tracking Black. What you're the draft? I'm the Black I
said about on look like the dragt But you're the Draft.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, I'm Drack.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
I'm Dracula, all right, Dracking Black Man, Dracking Black. It's
a great tag team name.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Everybody keeps asking about Brady Man. He's good. Brady's okay,
you know he's good.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
This is the second time you brought up a name
I'm not familiar with. There's first it was Rob Parker.
Now it's just stop, like, what are we getting here? Stop?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Stop it?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Everybody relaxed, Okay, everybody needs to come.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Dude, on your your feet. I just want to know
he's okay.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Really, if there's one dude that you can know it's okay,
it's Brady Quinn.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
They have Brady's et in the creek right now. We're
just hoping he makes it.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Brady is just fine.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
What are we doing here?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
All right?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
So Brian day Ball a man that we referred to
as dump truck Nuts because his first game as Giants
head coach, he decided to go for two and win
the game. I believe it was against the Titans, if
I'm remembering correctly, and the play worked, and it worked
because of a mistackle, but nonetheless, the moniker stuck. He's
(18:12):
old dump truck Nuts there, and he's sort of having
to reel from the fact that Saquon Barkley's an Eagle,
he just won a Super Bowl, he's on the cover
of Madden. He's got all these other things that have
happened Daniel joneses elsewhere, and now they've got a loaded
quarterback room themselves. They've got Russell Wilson, they've got Jamis Winston.
They've got Tommy DeVito, and they've got Jackson Dart who
(18:35):
they drafted. And Brian dave All, the head coach of
the Giants, spoke about the development of Jackson Dart thus far.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Yeah, he's not excellent.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
He's picking up information. It's really good to have Russ
and Jamis and even Tommy because Tommy's been in this
system for a few years here and he's kind of
the head statesman in terms of that and all the
adjustments that take place or the calls. Uh, He's fit
right in with those guys. He's smart, he's aggressive with
(19:05):
the football, which I like.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
And then you know, the true test will be once
once we start and there's live hitting and preseason games
and things like that. But he's progressed, you know, since
he's been here to where he's not, he's made he's
made good improvement.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
That was Brian Dable about his head coach or talking
about the head coach of the Giants talking about his
young rookie quarterback Jackson Dart live hitting. Well, here's what's
interesting about the Giants.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Does that exist with quarterbacks?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Oh, you don't think they're getting right enough.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Things will adjustin when there's live.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
I got news for you.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
If Caitlyn Clark was a quarterback, she'd be getting lit
up in practice, lit up in practice if that was
the case the way she gets treated. But the Giants
are interesting to me just from the standpoint that it's
last call for Brian Dayball and Joe Shane, like this
is it and with all the success that Saquon Barkley
(19:58):
has had elsewhere. I think you brought up the point
last week. If Daniel Jones goes out and he balls
out in Indianapolis, this is a really bad look for
those guys because those are the two names at the
forefront of decisions they made as an organization who would
then be elsewhere and who would then have success elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
And I look at.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
It and I go, how do they navigate this scenario
in situation? Because if they're at a point in the
season where they are struggling or they've got a losing record,
they've got to show either wins or hope in.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Order to keep their jobs.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
And the only way you are providing hope is if
Jackson Darket's an opportunity to play, which means then it
gets awkward with Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston seems like he's
gonna it just feels like this season. I know you'd
mentioned that they might be a sleeper team, but if
they start out and they've got this losing record or
(21:02):
they're struggling to keep up with everybody else in the division,
at some point they're going to have to turn the
reins over to Jackson Dart and it's probably going to
be I don't want to say a throwaway year, but
maybe a down year record wise, But that's really the
only option they have, either produce wins or produce hope
if they want to be around next year to keep
(21:23):
their roles with the Giants.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You know, the NFC East is going to be a
tough division. It could end up being the NFC East
of Old where it is all is good in the world.
Things are better when the NFC East is very competitive.
And when you look at the teams right now, you'd say,
(21:50):
obviously the Eagles are going to be a force and
a power. The Commanders were one game away from from
playing for Super Bowl geez, and I don't think that
they're not going to be uh just as good, if
not better. I'd assume that Jayson Daniels takes steps forward
(22:15):
in his sophomore season in the league. And then there's
the other two that are outliers or could be relatively
unknown as to what they can possibly be now having
and I asked, we asked people about, you know, Prisco,
about the duo in Dallas with with Pickens and Lamb
(22:40):
and how that may go. I feel like, if if
they're able to do what they need to do, their
defense will be fine, if they can stay healthy, if
if they can figure out how to coexist dak Ceedee Lamb,
George Pickens, if they can, if they can coexist, they
(23:05):
could be very dangerous. The Cowboys could be a dangerous team.
But again you you said it lit earlier, and I
believe this to be true. The New York Giants have
the makings of a very competitive team and and this
has to be in in in my estimation, this has
(23:28):
to be the year that you see some of that
potential come to fruition. The defensive front is going to
be sick like it's that is a cold, that is
a flu shot that every single team that they play
will need. So now it comes down to when you're
(23:48):
talking about to two teams and the Cowboys and the
Giants in the in the NFC East, that our question
marks as to can they can they take a next
step to being better teams. They you got to look
at their schedules, right, and so when you look at
the Giants schedules that you know, the Giants schedule coming
out of the preseason, they start right out the gate
(24:11):
and they got to play the Commanders. That's going to
be tough for them. Then they have the Cowboys Necks,
that's going to be tough for them. Then they have
the Chiefs and the Chargers, and then they might get
a week off with the Saints.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Saints could be good, they could be a sleep or too,
I don't know. But then you look at the Eagles.
So now they got to play all their divisional foes
and their opponents with the Chiefs sprinkled in there and
the Chargers sprinkled in there. That's not a good that's
to me, that's not a good draw. No, that's not
a good draw at all.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
I mean, it's not a good schedule. It's not a
good schedule that's conducive to them having you know, a crazy,
crazy successful year but if they're able to make it
out of that first part of the year somewhat in good,
good shape, I think, and kind of the end of
(25:09):
the tail end of their set. No, it's not it's
a bad schedule for them. It's a bad schedule. Yeah,
it's a bad and I.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
Think I think it's feasible to believe that this team
is one in seven by the time November comes around,
it's possible. And if that's the case and you're basically
the halfway point of the year and Russell Wilson is
still your starter, I mean, if you're Brian Dayball, you're
not saying, all right, we got it, at least see.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
What we got with Jackson Dart.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, at least show something to convince ownership that, hey,
I know this was another rough year.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
I know we had another down year.
Speaker 5 (25:47):
But at least we've got this to kind of hang
our hat on and the development of a young quarterback. Otherwise,
he's going to become one of these young quarterbacks that
gets drafted into a situation and he's a rookie and
after a year there's already a coaching change. And we've
seen that all over the league, especially in recent years.
Caleb Williams is going through it this year, Drake may
(26:08):
is going to go through it this year. It just
it feels like this is a spot where there to
open up the year with that run of teams that
you've got to deal with, and there's divisional games, but
don't worry the non divisional games. You just gotta get
the Chiefs, as you pointed out, don't worry about It's
just it's just the Chiefs. I wouldn't worry about anything.
And it's the Chiefs with the red ass who have
(26:30):
something to prove this year. I mean, it just feels
like a problem.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It feels coming out of that Saints game.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Then they got a run of the Eagles, the Broncos,
the Eagles again, the Niners, the Bears. I don't know
about what they're going to be, the Packers, the Lions.
That is uh, that's brutal.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, man, that's brutal.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Kind of screwed, that's brutal. I don't know how that
pans out. I don't know how that looks, but I
will say this, if you're putting if you're going to
put Dart in there and figure it out, versus having
one of the other guys in there, it's to me,
it's all about It's all about system, quarterbacking, game managing.
(27:24):
They're going to have to establish a running game. They're
going to have to play really really good defense. They're
going to have to play for the other teams to
make mistakes versus try to outscore the other teams in
terms of offensively, shootouts, different things like that. To try
(27:45):
to win games, they're going to have to do it
the conventional, the old school battle of attrition way, where
you play offense, you kick the ball, you play super
good defense, because that's still right now, what your established
strength is, and see what you can do. Because some
(28:05):
of these teams that are on their schedule, it's gonna
be hard for them if it turns into a track meet.
You cannot allow for games to turn into offensive explosions
because you just don't really know what you have offensively
with this team just yet. And it's hard to say
you can come to a conclusion as to what, Yeah,
(28:28):
I mean, I don't know which.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Quarterback situation is worse.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Is the Cleveland Brown situation or the New York Giants
situation that quarterback, I don't know which one is worse.
Bro I don't damn. Both have a super Bowl winning
quarterback that they're planning on starting, both have a backup
and a guy that has potential. Now Jamis has to
(28:54):
me proven himself more than what a picket has, and
maybe you're confident that Jamis can get out there and
do something. If Russell who I'm assuming those are the
two that are going to be starting Flacco and Wilson.
If those two don't work out, I would say that
you got the better opportunity with and maybe the swing
(29:15):
vote goes with Jameis Winston because he can play some
ball and has proven it while Pikett really hasn't. But
then you go to the next guy, and is that
de Veto or is it the draft pick? In dark
you go to the next guy? Is it Gabriel or
is it Sanders. It's like it's a pretty wild deal
(29:36):
to try to figure out and navigate how you're going
to potentially use the quarterbacks that you have in your room.
In both of these situations, I don't know which one
is the harder one to deal with, other than to
say I think that maybe Jameis Winston could be the
determining factor.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Yeah, at least he's fun.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
You know, at least there's that, so I would give
the Giants quarterbacks more optimistic.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
There.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
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Speaker 2 (30:32):
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Speaker 4 (30:57):
Who the hell knows where that conversation is going to?
Speaker 5 (31:00):
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Speaker 4 (31:18):
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Speaker 2 (31:34):
There are some good things that happen, and there's some bad,
and then there's some downright ugly things. It's time for good,
bad and.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Ugly all right, lead to lab who's got what well?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
As we do each and every week, Jonas, we start
with the good and this week, you know what, Jonas,
you can.
Speaker 4 (31:52):
Deliver the good. Ah Gassias.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Now, we were mentioning earlier in the show about the
treatment of Katelyn and Clark by the WNBA players. The
bitterness the jealousy, all of that that came along with it.
It's just we don't understand it. I don't get it.
I don't know why you would do anything to bite
the hand that feeds you. All the eyeballs, the revenue,
(32:16):
the things that show up. And thankfully the good of
the week goes to none other than Sophie Cunningham of
the Indiana Fever, who has basically become the de facto enforcer,
if you will. Last night, nice little moy Thie plum Clinch,
after taking down the woman who gouged the eye of
(32:39):
Caitlin Clark earlier in the game, just grab hard foul,
got attacked and went moytie around the neck and brought
her down. Now, if there was any space in between
and not a bunch of bodies in the way, probably
would have landed a couple of knees straight to the face.
Sophie Cunningham, by the way, interesting interesting year for her,
(33:01):
based on some reports that have been out there. I
don't know whether or not those reports true, but very
interesting why she was traded away and is now with
the Indiana Fever. But nonetheless, at least somebody has stepped
up and somebody's got the back of Caitlin Clark because
it needed to happen, and at least last night we
got a small glimmer of hope that this crap is
going to be stopped in the WNBA.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
That's my good for the week right on.
Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yes, some interesting accusations out there for Sophie Cunningham. Well,
Jonas can't have good without the bad. I'll deliver the
bad this week.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
How about this?
Speaker 7 (33:32):
We were all robbed of what could have been an
amazing sporting event this weekend, something we may never get
a chance to see.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
Noah Lyles versus Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 7 (33:42):
They were going to race on one hundred meter race
in Times Square of all places.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But guess who whissied out?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
No Liles, no surprise, said so yesterday in France that
for personal reasons he has to back out of the
race versus Tyreek. Of course, Tyrek he posted a ten
point five hundred meter at the Last Chance Sprint Series
this week and said Noah could never even though Noah
has posted better than that.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
But yeah, we're all robbed of the amazing event this weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
I mean he doesn't beat no Allows on a Yeah,
Like what are we talking?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
About So that's whatever about all of what you want?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Isn't this were they agreeing on? Was it a fifty meter.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Race, fifty to sixty meter race that that there could
be something to that. There could be something to that.
I still don't think he wins, but there could be
that could be more of a competitive race one hundred meters.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
He's not getting no.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Allowed, by the way, Probably a good idea for Tyreek
Hill to just like just focus on the year, focus
on the dolphin season, and let's try and figure that
all out, because it feels like there's a lot of
other things off the field that are going on with
Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Not a competitive dudes, man, he's just super competitive and
he's competitive and all the things that he does, including
winning the baby battles.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I mean, he's just trying to lose, man, that's true.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Or even owning, you know, the situation that he's in
with the people that you know, deliver them.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
You know, he's got like a six kid lead on
Brady right now.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Well there you go, so which is that's a lot
of work.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And Tyreek got it. He got that work. See that's
definitely needs that break after you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Uh just I wonder if he takes breaks.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It just does.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
Feel like it does feel like Tyreek's got a lot
going on, not named playing for the Dolphins, and he's
got to got to focus on. I would have liked
to have seen by the way, him versus Noah Lliles
is the perfect summertime sporting event. That's that's the perfect one.
And now it ain't gonna happens.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I think, so that's the one to do.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Huh yeah, dude.
Speaker 5 (35:51):
In the summertime, you know, we're looking around for for
stuff to watch. People are trying to get interested in
other things. We're talking about the w n B A
and and a golf course. Aouldn't let anybody, you know,
shoot under par Like, hey, let's let's throw it out there.
Hockey's over, basketball be over on Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Come on.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
Yeah, Like you said, that would have actually started the summer.
I think summer starts on Friday. It would have taken
place on Saturday. That would have been the perfect start
to the summer.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Summer has already started out here.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
It's hot as balls sure in southern California, that's true.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
We're fighting for the pool at by spot Well. From
bad to worse LeVar. What was ugly this week?
Speaker 1 (36:27):
I mean the tray battle red socks, right, Grafiel divers,
you know, divers divers sounds better to me. That's that's
my ugly for the week. I mean, there's a lot
of different angles you can take take on on devers, divers, divers,
(36:50):
the beavers, but I think it's ugly for this the
simple fact that it's just there, you.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Go, yeah, not bad beaver, bad beaver.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I think it just comes across as we're getting further
and further away from foundational To me, this is me,
we're getting away further and further from foundational beliefs and
approaches to how you're supposed to be productive in your life.
(37:28):
And being productive is part of being kind of gracious,
gracious about opportunities, taking taking opportunities and maximizing them instead
of being like diva ish about things, and and so
to me, I think it's kind of ugly because if
I'm looking at it reading, you know the causes and
(37:50):
you know well that I don't want to play this
base or the kind of the bad discussion points about
how you feel about the team and organization and all
those those different things that's coming out just play ball, Mande.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Ultimately, just just play ball.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
You know, I don't care what position you play, or
what position you bat in or whatever. You're getting paid
a ton of flipping money to play a sport.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
Just get out there and play.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Man.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
You don't have to always be happy.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Find your happiness, but learn how to adapt into adjust
the things.
Speaker 5 (38:25):
What was funny about the Dever stuff is so he
gets moved to dh because they signed Bragman. Then they
have an injury at first base they ask him to
go to first base.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
He basically tells him to kiss his ass.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
They should do their job and find somebody else to
replace their first base issues. Then he gets traded to
the Giants and at his press conference yesterday says, I'm
willing to play wherever they want me to play, basically
like I wasn't in Boston, but with the Giants, I will,
absolutely I will.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
And he's got, you know.
Speaker 5 (38:58):
A lot of money left on long term deal and
he's gonna be sitting pretty.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
At the end of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Well, you can't tell everybody you're gonna play me where
I want to play, you know what I mean, Like,
let's just be real here. I don't know that he's
doing that out of being a good dude. You're doing
it out of necessity.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I also think it shows that the relationship with Boston
was fractured to the point.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Of course it was didn't want to be there, They
didn't want them there, probably, But to me, there's there's
I don't know, I just.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Hey, you know that was my ugly. Yeah, I'll leave
it there.
Speaker 5 (39:37):
That was my ugly for the Bosox, that's for sure.
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