June 30, 2025 • 41 mins
The league will test Travis Hunter's armor in his rookie year but if he can really play both ways, his contract should reflect it. Breece Hall defending Aaron Rodgers' time in New UYork further reflects dysfunction with the Jets organization. Plus, ear grabbing on the FSR IR.
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Speaker 1 (01:49):
There is a I don't know if this is a
target or a you.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Know, somebody's put somebody else on notice about how things
could potentially go in the NFL this year. But Travis Hunter,
who's trying to do the offense defense thing in the NFL,
which we don't really get to see hardly ever at all,
he's got his work cutout for him. That according to
Willie Cologne, former Super Bowl champion I guess forever super
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Bowl champion, but former offensive lineman in the NFL. He
was on FS one's Breakfast Ball on Friday and had
this to say about how he would approach the one
and only Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I know how I would approach a guy like this.
I'm gonna test his arfle. I'm gonna see how tough
you really are if you want to be a two
way player in the NFL. I'm gonna see if you're
strong enough to be a two way player. So when
I'm pulling around that corner. I'm gonna test that twelve
on your chest, right, and so for me, if I'm
the taxfl that war he that's listen to what the
players are saying. They're curious if he should finish an eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Game season going both ways. I promise you he won't.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
They won't move him to one side of the ball
next quarterback and allow him to be the best quarter
they b because not only are you going to have
to make tackles, was getting hit too.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So that was Willie Cologne assessing how things could go
for the one and only Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How did you feel about that assessment?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It does bring up an interesting point that I don't
know if people have thought about, because if a say,
a quarterback comes into the league and they're really cocky
or really arrogant, you can understand why there would be.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
A target on them.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Johnny Manziel that it seemed like players obviously knew the
reputation whatnot, and so there were incidents where you know,
they would take liberties or take shots at him. There
were some people that speculated maybe that would happen with
Caleb Williams. There's some people that think maybe that happens
with Ace Bailey, the guy who you know, didn't want
to work out for any teams, didn't want to go
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to Utah, wanted to go to Washington, and the Jazz
ended up drafting him. Like, if you come in with
a reputation as being a little bit cocky, I could
understand why maybe you would feel.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Like there would be a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
He does bring up a point, though, that you've got
a guy who's coming into the league and is basically
saying I'm going to try and do what nobody else
in the league can do. And I just wonder how
that's gonna land with certain players in the NFL. Then
maybe saying no, no, you're not doing that on our watch.
You're not gonna listen. You're gonna pick a side, because
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if you try and go both ways offense and defense,
you're gonna be held accountable for it. And I just
wonder if players look at that as almost a challenge.
Let's let him know that the NFL is different than
what it was at college. You can pull that in Boulder,
you can't pull it here on Sundays.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But he it is what Travis Hunter has done, and
not many people at all if any have ever been
able to pull it off to the level that he's
pulled it off at winning the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, you
can't discredit what he's already done and say, Okay, well
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you can't. You're not going to be able to do
that in the league. The bottom line is, any high
profile draft pick is going to be targeted. Abdual Carter
is going to be targeted, Warren is going to be targeted.
You know, cam is going to be cam Ward is
going to be targeted. Like all these top guys offensive
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linemen that go early, they are going to be targeted.
They're all going to be targeted. So I think that's
a for one, that's an overstated type of point to
the conversation, because there's somebody that's going to be out
there that is targeting you, specifically being a rookie, and
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especially if you're a high profile, high draft pick rookie,
somebody's targeting you. The bottom line, in fact, if you're
able to stay relevant as a player throughout your career
and targeted, that's the bottom line. And even though Greg
Williams got in trouble for revealing to the public how
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deep targeting can go, that exists knocking dudes out of games.
I don't know if that culture still exists in today's NFL.
I'm not close enough to the game at this point
to know the ends and outs on how defensive players
view games, but that is certainly that was certainly culture
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when I was coming through and when I was playing,
there was always the idea, kill the head, the body
will die. But we also can wound some different parts
of the body as well. If a running back represented
an arm, we could take that arm. If a receiver
represented a leg, take the leg. If you could get
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a lineman out of the game and get him out
of the game, that was just how you played the game.
So I don't find this to be egregious to sit
there and be like, oh, I'm going to check the
twelve on his chest and see if he can handle it.
What pulling lineman isn't going to see if any any
high draft pick on the outside can handle them pulling.
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Who's not going to do that. So that's the first point, right,
That's the first point. But then the second point is
which I felt confident about what he said about being
a cornerback when he was first coming into the league,
But the more I've listened to Pete Prisco and other
people talk about it, If you really think about it,
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he's too good of a a weapon for a quarterback
that is in a very pivotal year for you not
to use him on the offensive side of the ball.
I would be more I would be more agreeing with
the idea of playing him one way if you were
playing him one way as a receiver at this point,
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because he gives an added dimension, he gives a weapon.
If people are saying that he's in comparison impact wise,
he could have the same type of impact that Justin
Jefferson has on the receiving corps that you know that's
what Trevor Lawrence is needing in need of. Then why
would you play him on the defensive side of the ball.
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If that's the case, If that's the you know, the the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Expectation or what people look at as the potential of
him as a receiver, then that's a dangerous offense all
of a sudden. Because Brian Thomas Junior doesn't get talked
about enough. That guy's a flat out stud. And for
all the love that Malik Neighbors gets, go look at
Brian Thomas junior from last year.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So if you've got him and then Travis Hunter on
the other side, that's a problem. I just you have
to at least if you're Liam Kohen, you have to
at least try it out on defense. If the approach
is we're gonna like because the decordinate and Jacksonville is
already like, man, you can see it his instincts. We
put him out there a couple of times in OTAs
or whatever, and Liam Cohne said, look, he's come to
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me and said, hey, can we work with him again today.
I just wonder how they're going to manage this, because,
you know, Willy Coloone's the better question, like Willy Colone saying, listen, man,
you're not going to last you know seventeen games, that
that's not how this works, Like you're not like we're
I'm going to let it be known that this is different.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I just wonder how they may I think that's
a hot take. The reason why I don't think it's
a hot take is because you are literally taking up
two major position groups like you're you're taking up you're
a one for two. So if it's going to be
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hard for a receiver to make it through, like any
receiver is going to be a grind to make it
through because all the running that you're doing as a corner,
it's the same thing. It's going to be hard for
you to make it through because of all of the
running that you're doing. So to double that up and
say you're gonna play both positions, you're basically saying that
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your injury expectancy doubles. It doubles, right, That's what you
got to soue. It can't be a hot take to
say if a guy is playing taking up two, you're
basically taking up two roster spots like this again, I
said this earlier on. If the man were to play
two positions and to play them successfully, do you understand
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what that means? To me? What that means is once
he gets to his contract year, you have to pay
him as a two way player. This is nothing like
to me, there's no reason to look at it and
not know what the intentions are in wanting to play
both ways. It's not just to be playing both ways.
You want to get paid as a two way player
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when you go back to the table or your second contracts.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Like when Jimmy Graham wanted to get paid as a
wide receiver, and they're like, you're a tight end.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He goes, look at how I line up. Majority of
the time I line up as a wider. This is
totally different now, but I'm saying so it's so different.
In fact, it is unprecedented to understand the idea of
I'm coming to you. Look at what Justin Jefferson made
as a top receiver. So if I prove to you
I'm a top receiver, and then look at who's the
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top paid cornerback in the league, it might be is
it Stingley or Horn?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Okay, so let's just say, okay, so I am one
of the top rated corners, grading out as high as
one of the top paid corners, and I'm a top
top rated receiver rate it out next to the top
rated receivers in the league, and I'm doing both successfully.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How are you going to pay him? How is that categorized?
Do you just say, oh, we're going to pay even
his contract? Now? How does he he in theory, he
is deserving to be paid for two roster spots if
he's a true two way player. Do you think he
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can hold up? That's a lot again, I think it's
a you've doubled the odds of getting injured. Can he
hold up? Yes? For how long? That's probably going to
be the biggest question. And he's not the biggest guy
in the world, right, but that could work in his favor.
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I mean, we're not in the most physical of days
for football. It's not I mean, am we're not. We're not.
You're not in a situation where, if you do things
the right way, you make good business decisions out there
on the football field, that you can't pretty much stay
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unscathed physically. I'm not saying he won't hold up physically
in terms of getting hit. I'm saying can he hold
up physically the amount of running he's going to be doing.
That's a lot of right, And you would assume that
they're going to put Travis Hunter on established being a
cover corner. So chances are they're going to put Travis Hunter.
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If he proves out of early stage that he's good
enough to do it, you're going to put him on
the number one receiver. So not only is he going
I don't know if he's running as a one or
as a two receiver, but if he's going both ways,
and he's covering their number one receiver, and he's their
number one or number two receiver. He's running a ton
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of routes. He's doing a ton of covering of guys
running a ton of routes. It's just how are you
going to manage his reps? How are you going to
manage how he practices? How are you going to manage
all of these things that will require a true two
way player, because in the pros, even in college, two
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way players like it's where do you have the time,
Like you're going to have to split time? Because it's
not like high school where it's like you don't have
enough players. So generally, unless you're a big school, generally
you have periods. You have offensive side, you have defensive side,
because you got a lot of two way players like
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two ways. Playing two ways isn't foreign to football players.
If you played high school football at a normal high school,
if you gone to a big high school, that's different.
There's more likelihood you play one position or one side
of the ball. But for most people, you're not. It's
not foreign to you to play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Even just looking at the depth chart for the Jaguars
and again, all this stuff changes. We're not even a
training camp now. Just seeing Travis Hunter as the wide
receiver opposite of Brian Thomas Junior and then listed now
the backup cornerback to Jerry and Jones, Like just even
seeing that makes this whole thing that much more fascinating.
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Like I'm fascinated to see not only you know, as
Willie Colone mentioned, just the reaction, how he's going to
be approached, you know, by by other players who see
him out there, but also how are the Jaguars going
to pull this off? Because if you're if you're Liam Cohen,
now it becomes difficult to understand. All, right, snap count wise,
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he's not going to maybe want to come out of games,
but maybe you need to take him out for a
few snaps just because he's tired, but you know, he
wants to tell. And then you've got to consider once
you get past the eleventh, twelfth week of the season,
now it's you know where they taught was that that
rookie wall? After you get about that point, like now
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you've got to worry about the back end of the season,
and it's just him being a rookie.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I just the whole thing is fascinating to me because
we have I just think the most fascinating part of
it all is if he has success, if he has
great success playing both ways, success like true two way player,
his agency is going to have to do the unthinkable
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and you're going to have to negotiate a deal that
pays him like he's two players. There's no way around it.
If that man is able to be successful playing both ways,
you cannot give him a contract that's for a cornerback
when he's successful as a cornerback and you can't give
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him a or he's successful as a receiver and you
can't give him he's successful as a cornerback when he
I'm mixing it up, but you know what I'm trying
to say. If he's playing one side of the ball,
you can't give him a contract. Let me restate this,
all right. This is crazy because I'm confusing myself, but
I'm not confused both sides of the ball. He's successful,
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if he's successful, goes back to getting the contract redone.
You can't pay him to just be a receiver when
he's successful as a cornerback. If he goes back to
the table and he's had successful on both sides of
the ball. You can't just pay him for being successful
as a cornerback because he's been successful as a wide receiver.
That's how I wanted to get it out, and that
is the biggest to me. That will be the biggest
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storyline in all of football history. It will be up
there in the conversation of biggest, biggest happenings in the
league in the history of the game. If he's able
to be successful being a true, it has to be
true two way player.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And that's why I brought up the Jimmy Graham's story
because you know the Saints here, it might have been
the Sea whoever was he was trying to argue it
for at that time, they wanted to pay him at
the position that was going to be cheaper, and so
you know they want listen, no, no, no, you're a
tight end. You have but line up as a wide
receiver more. No, no, no, you're a tight end. If
you're Travis Hunter and you're negotiating at that point with
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the Jaguars, I mean, they're gonna try and get.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
The best deal. Got it like this, even if they're
playing him as a backup corner and they have a starter,
or they have him as a starting corner and a
backup receiver and he's still producing, I would still demand
that I get paid whatever that wage is for that
roster spot that I'm you that I'm taking up when
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I go out there on the field. If I'm getting
the same amount of reps, I want to be paid
for getting the reps as a player that goes into
the game, whatever it is that's required, what that costs.
I want fear market value for that. And if he's
doing that in two different positions, on two different sides
of the ball, you gotta pay them. Like, how do
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you not pay them? How do you not do that deal?
And what does that look like? How do you justify
one over the other? I don't you know. I don't know.
And to me, that is the most intriguing aspect of
all of this is if he's able to pull it off,
what the hell does the NFL do if he proves
he's elite at both? Is he like AE hundred million
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dollars due guarantee? That'd be great. I mean, by that
time we're talking to what three four years from now,
who the hell knows. So you're talking like you're gonna
be forty forty four cornerbacks, maybe fifty fifty sixty four receivers. Travis,
we'll give you a hundred million. We gotta give you
one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
By the way, we're not that far off from somebody
making one hundred million in a season.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like we're telling what did we ten maybe ten twelve
years away. It's two I mean, there's no way around.
It's two roster spots. It's two roster spots. He's taken
up if he's a true two way player. It is
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Brice Hall, he was on the Get gott podcast with
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Marshawn Lynch. Yeah and uh you know and Mike Robinson
as well too, former Seahawks teammates, and he had this
to say about his time with Aaron Rodgers and what
last year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Was like with the New York Jets.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Very misunderstood person. Great dude comes off to people a
certain way, but once you really get to know him,
you realize how good of a person he is. But
last year, you know, when you're when you're losing games,
to blame us put on the on the faces of
the team. So and it just so happened to be
like gods like me, Sauce, Garrett, Aaron Quinnin and Quincy.
So I feel like, you know, when you're losing, somebody
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has to get to get let go. But what people
don't realize is when stuff is crazy organizationally, then it's
hard for the players to you know, have stability and
win games. So I feel like, you know, you can't
you can't always blame the players because when you're stressed
out mentally, physically, and emotionally, it's hard to show up
every Sunday, every Monday, every Thursday.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So that was Breshall's It's a legitimate point, and it's
a point that has been stated for many, many years,
many years. I would have loved to known what the
stress and all those things that, you know, what was
causing that for them, the fatigue, all those things that
was leading to the results that were coming. I would
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love to I wish they would have doubled down on
asking what what it What in particular were those elements,
because I think that's pretty that's important to know, because
he's absolutely right, Like listen, you can never say the
players aren't culpable, because they're the ones that go on
the field. But ultimately, if you're not in and I
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say it all the time, I know it sound like
a broken record, but if you're not in an environment
that is conducive to having success, you will not have
success by accident. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
If the Jets had Patrick Mahomes. Is he still Patrick
Mahomes No? Like no, And that's why you just you
look at the idea of Rogers going there and all
the expectations and you just kind of take a step back,
and you recognized it before Brady and I did, and
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I just kind of, now take a step back.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Then I may play away. My IQ was high enough
to recognize that there you go. You mean, I would
I say something that I saw and before you and Brady? Yes,
oh yeah, imagine that town.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, okay, up top bar, all right, But I just
take a step back and you realize, oh, that just
wasn't going to work. And the reasons for anyone. Yeah,
and that's that. This isn't a Rogers thing, This isn't
a defensive Aaron Rodgers. This is more of a look
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around at recent quarterbacks with the New York Jets. All right,
Geno Smith was drafted by the Jets. It didn't work,
didn't work. Geno Smith's career has now been revived and
he's the starting quarterback for the Raiders, and you feel
way better about the Raiders chances this year because of
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Geno Smith. That was the guy that the Jets drafted
and it didn't work. Sam Darnold just had the best
season of his career and just got paid. He was
a former Jets quarterback. Yes, he was like, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, now, Zach Wilson, former overall number one number what
was it, number one? Number two? Number two, yeah, number
two overall, he's not even there anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Not there anymore. And now that I've now that, you
start to look at the track record and the history
of the Jets and it's you know, whether it's quarterback
or whatnot. Man, I don't know how you look at
Zach Wilson and go, yeah, we've seen everything we need
to see from him. I would love to see Zach
Wilson get a shot because I want to know what
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was it. Because I'm starting to believe no matter who
it is, it's not going to work there. And that's
why Justin Field's making the decision to leave Pittsburgh because
he got a little bit more money to go to
the Jets. It's almost like he thinks, no, no, no, I'm
going to be the guy that's going to change this.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Good luck man.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like, there's been a lot of people that have said
the same thing, a lot of coaches who have said
the same thing, and somehow, someway it always falls apart.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, like Rex Ryan, he was close.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
He was close that he went to AFC Championship games,
and somehow, some way, even in the midst of all
that foot fetishes, Mark Sanchez tattoos.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It just always seems I used to really care about
the drama and a circus. If the if the team
is on the same page, the coaches are on the
same page, the organization all on the same if everybody's
on the same page, and the culture is supportive, and
it's you against the world and people are coming at
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you and doing foot fetishes and this that and the
other I don't care, it doesn't matter. And they were winning,
and they were winning now at the time of the
foot fetish. I think that that was during the time
of it going downhill for reps, I do believe. But
they were winning at one point and the ground and
pound was real, their defense was real, and they had
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a legitimate team that was vying for a Super Bowl appearance.
They really were that good. Now, how they were able
to find that within all of the chaos. Maybe it
was because a guy like Rex Ryan, knowing the NFL
landscape so well because of being around his entire life
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with his dad. Maybe he was able to facilitate in
a way where the guys were on the same page.
He had who he needed to be on the same page.
I don't know what it was, but I would have
to say that the coach would have to beat a
catalyst in that scenario if that were to ever take place.
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Marty Schottenheimer did it in Washington. Dan Snyder was uncomfortable
with it and got rid of him. He wanted more
of a guy who was in line with how he
wanted him to do things and run things as a
hit coach, and they got rid of them. You did
Draft Night here at Fox Sports Radio with Joe Douglas.
(29:07):
All Right, he strikes me as somebody who knows his stuff,
and listening to that show, the way that he drafted
in New York, he knows this stuff. Like I look
at him, you know, being you know, obviously fired during
the season with the Jets, and it's like, all right,
I'll bet it's not long before that guy's at GM again.
(29:28):
I'd be willing to bet it is not long before
Joe Douglas is hired as a GM again. And look,
he just got hired by Philly. He's going to help
out their front office.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I just I don't know how you come away with
any other conclusion with this much, this many different coaches,
this many different quarterbacks, this many different gms. There's constant change.
The only thing that stays the same is the stuff
up top.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There you go. I just stay around that, And I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
At some point, if you're a Jets fan, get excited
all you want and say, oh, you know, we didn't
need Rogers and there's all this, and you know we
didn't need Robert Salah was this and he was all right,
you keep pointing at all the other issues except for
the major one, which is it's the same people running
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the show, and it's the same results every time.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
If you make it, if you make it that simple,
then you're able to come up with your conclusion. Right,
it is the same thing. Again. I'll continue to use
Washington as as my example because I know it pretty well.
You had within a four year period of time, a
three year period of time, you have four coaches. Right
(30:48):
at some point, you were having a new head coach
every year. You were having a new defensive coordinator every year.
You were having a new offensive coordinator every year. How
you supposed to as a player. So hold on, so
hold on, right, So you have all these different different
coaching changes and you're still getting the same results. You
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get Joe Gibbs. He comes in, he gets one good
run out of it, one really good run out of it,
and then he gets up out of there. He never
really got that far. So if you're looking at it
as you go all the way into the bag of tricks,
and you go as deep as to bring back a
legendary coach that won super Bowls with the team with
(31:32):
three different quarterbacks and can't get it done. He's got
to go. You've had numerous quarterbacks, You've had numerous players
at every other position. You had numerous players or numerous
people at GM, You've had numerous people as your scouting department,
numerous people in your sales department, numerous people everywhere in
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your organization. At what point in time do you say,
with all of the lack of success that it has
to be the culture of the place. Like, that's as
simple as it gets. You can only come up with
the conclusion of it has to be the culture starting
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with the person who owns it. Whatever tone that is
that that person sets, that's what the tone, that's what
the personality. Just like they say the team takes on
the personality of the coach, the organization takes on the
person out. Depending on how the ownership is, I'll say,
if you have present ownership, which Dan Snyder was, which
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Woody Johnson is, If you have present ownership, then that
present ownership, the way they handle things are ultimately are
going to be the tone setter and the barometer and
the measuring stick of how everything is going to be ran,
how you're supposed to think about things. If you're feeling
like it's like he's like got everybody scared going to
(33:00):
fire you. If you don't do what you're supposed to do,
then everybody's going to walk around with the feeling of
I'm going to fire you, I'm gonna get fired. I'm
only it's only a matter of time if I don't
do X, Y and Z. If you're in a place
where it's like, okay, if you get here at an
early time and there's a parking space closer to the
to the door, you get that parking space. There's nothing given.
(33:22):
It's all about merit system, meritocracy of what's going on here,
then that's what you have. But it's going to come
from the tone setters, which are generally the ownership and
for what it's worth, Woody Johnson has not been a
person that would get a good grade, a glowing grade
on on creating a healthy culture to be able to win.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And the thing that blows my mind is there's no
shortage of people that continue to want to sign up
for that. Rex Ryan wanted back in. He campaigned openly
on radio TV wanted back in. And I don't know
if it's because, well, I'm the one to change the culture.
I'm the one to change the fortune of the franchise.
It's like these serial killers who have people fall in
love with them, and you get these weirdos who show
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up to prison and they're like giving them gifts and
wanting to get married. It's like, well, I could be
the one to change him. No, you're gonna be the
one that ends up in the trunk of a car somewhere,
just like everybody else. And for some reason, all these
people still want to go in there and like Aaron Glenn,
opportunity of a lifetime former New York jet and you
(34:29):
hope it goes well.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I feel like we've got enough evidence over the past
few decades and it's not gonna end up all that
well for anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You just wonder, is there the chance that someone who
has created such a corrosive and toxic environment, are they
able to change their ways and in a way where
in a manner where it changes how everybody does things.
I mean to see the way Washington is now with
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the new ownership that was one year's time. What changed.
Imagine Like I'm walking around the stadium and like people
are happy, Like walking to the owner's box, people were happy,
like it wasn't. It's crazy, man, It's crazy. Like it
just felt good. Felt it felt like a party, like
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they up in that bitch partying, like damn, like what's
up LeVar? Like what's up LeVar? Never thought it would happen,
never thought I'd go back, went back and just seeing how,
you know, the new Ownership group, how they handle things
(35:41):
and the and you know what it is Jonas. I
always say, because I'm an entrepreneur, I know we got
to get out of here. But I always say, if
you treat people like people, then they will return and
reciprocate that feeling of treating you like a person back.
If you guys are treating one another as people, then
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there's a strong chance that people will start to take ownership.
Not just come show up and clock in to do
a job, but they will actually take ownership, personal accountability
and ownership over what it is that they're doing. I
saw that in New York as a player, and that's
something that I've always tried to emulate. And the things
that I do is to be a person to the
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people I work with. I never like to say people
work for me. I always like to say we work together.
And just knowing that treating people like people knowing their name,
knowing their family's name, knowing what's going on with their kids,
and you know, different life experiences, being able to handle
things that way, where you show people that they matter.
(36:49):
Mss bj at the Front desk of Washington, she mattered.
You know, Vlati cleaning the locker rooms and all that stuff.
He mattered. Brad Berlin and Anders and the in the
equipment room, they matter. Larry and Dean and the rest
of the group that were in the training room. Bubba
Bubba tired. They all mattered. Yeah, they all mattered. The
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guys in the weight room, the guys who cut the
lawn and put the lines on the field. If you're
one of those guys where all those guys matter, then
that ownership level goes up through the roof, and then
the morale is always high. And if everything isn't going right,
you're still able to get through those times and get
through those things because everybody has a good rapport and
(37:33):
a good feeling with one another. You didn't create this elitism,
which is I don't even think is a word, but
like eliteness about you where it's like call him mister
Snyder and don't look at him in his eyes like
that's you've already set the tone. When mister Snyder comes
into the building. You're not to look at him in
the eyes. You are not to address him unless he
addresses you, and if he addresses you, you are to
(37:55):
address him as mister Snyder. That was the standard. And
he all he's had his bodyguards with him. He always
had his security with him, both sides strapped. Oh so
you couldn't even slap him around a little bit. No, no,
you're not going to slap him around.
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Speaker 4 (39:56):
If this isn't actually my ir, but so I'm in
church with my son, he's four years old. And you know,
we're sitting in church and there's this room off to
the side where you know, you can have kids. You know,
kids start getting a little loud or they start crying
or whatever, so we usually go into that room. It's
a little bit cooler, there's more room, and you know,
(40:18):
we're just watching the mass. You know on the television,
you'd hear it through the speakers and all that stuff.
And we're just watching the Mass. And this mom's in
there and she's got her three daughters. There's an older
one who's probably like around seven, there's another one who's
probably five, and then a little baby. And the mom
comes out and the middle child is on the carpet
of the church kind of playing around, and the mom
(40:39):
tells her.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
She's like, no, keep get that's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
And the girl wasn't moving fast enough, so the mom
literally reached down and pulled her up by her ear.
What And the girl's like rubbing her side of her face,
trying not to cry. I come home and I tell
my wife. I'm like, I tell her the story. She goes, oh, yeah,
she's probably Mexican. Oh wow, Like what what is that?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Was?
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Like, oh, yeah, our mom and grandma used to do
that to us all the time. Oh, that's that's the thing.
She goes, Yeah, grown up Mexican that's just reached out
and grabbed somebody by the ear.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
The girls holding the side of her. Isn't that like
one of the most sensitive spots Tang tang
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like a Geico.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Right to a strip a Two Pros and a Cup
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It is a special day here on the show. It's
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of fun. We don't have a cake or anything's been
all sorts of goofy stuff.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
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Speaker 1 (01:49):
There is a I don't know if this is a
target or a you.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Know, somebody's put somebody else on notice about how things
could potentially go in the NFL this year. But Travis Hunter,
who's trying to do the offense defense thing in the NFL,
which we don't really get to see hardly ever at all,
he's got his work cutout for him. That according to
Willie Cologne, former Super Bowl champion I guess forever super
(02:18):
Bowl champion, but former offensive lineman in the NFL. He
was on FS one's Breakfast Ball on Friday and had
this to say about how he would approach the one
and only Travis Hunter.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I know how I would approach a guy like this.
I'm gonna test his arfle. I'm gonna see how tough
you really are if you want to be a two
way player in the NFL. I'm gonna see if you're
strong enough to be a two way player. So when
I'm pulling around that corner. I'm gonna test that twelve
on your chest, right, and so for me, if I'm
the taxfl that war he that's listen to what the
players are saying. They're curious if he should finish an eighteen.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Game season going both ways. I promise you he won't.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
They won't move him to one side of the ball
next quarterback and allow him to be the best quarter
they b because not only are you going to have
to make tackles, was getting hit too.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So that was Willie Cologne assessing how things could go
for the one and only Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How did you feel about that assessment?
Speaker 4 (03:12):
It does bring up an interesting point that I don't
know if people have thought about, because if a say,
a quarterback comes into the league and they're really cocky
or really arrogant, you can understand why there would be.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
A target on them.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Johnny Manziel that it seemed like players obviously knew the
reputation whatnot, and so there were incidents where you know,
they would take liberties or take shots at him. There
were some people that speculated maybe that would happen with
Caleb Williams. There's some people that think maybe that happens
with Ace Bailey, the guy who you know, didn't want
to work out for any teams, didn't want to go
(03:47):
to Utah, wanted to go to Washington, and the Jazz
ended up drafting him. Like, if you come in with
a reputation as being a little bit cocky, I could
understand why maybe you would feel.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Like there would be a target on your back.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
He does bring up a point, though, that you've got
a guy who's coming into the league and is basically
saying I'm going to try and do what nobody else
in the league can do. And I just wonder how
that's gonna land with certain players in the NFL. Then
maybe saying no, no, you're not doing that on our watch.
You're not gonna listen. You're gonna pick a side, because
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if you try and go both ways offense and defense,
you're gonna be held accountable for it. And I just
wonder if players look at that as almost a challenge.
Let's let him know that the NFL is different than
what it was at college. You can pull that in Boulder,
you can't pull it here on Sundays.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
But he it is what Travis Hunter has done, and
not many people at all if any have ever been
able to pull it off to the level that he's
pulled it off at winning the Heisman Trophy. Yeah, you
can't discredit what he's already done and say, Okay, well
(04:59):
you can't. You're not going to be able to do
that in the league. The bottom line is, any high
profile draft pick is going to be targeted. Abdual Carter
is going to be targeted, Warren is going to be targeted.
You know, cam is going to be cam Ward is
going to be targeted. Like all these top guys offensive
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linemen that go early, they are going to be targeted.
They're all going to be targeted. So I think that's
a for one, that's an overstated type of point to
the conversation, because there's somebody that's going to be out
there that is targeting you, specifically being a rookie, and
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especially if you're a high profile, high draft pick rookie,
somebody's targeting you. The bottom line, in fact, if you're
able to stay relevant as a player throughout your career
and targeted, that's the bottom line. And even though Greg
Williams got in trouble for revealing to the public how
(06:10):
deep targeting can go, that exists knocking dudes out of games.
I don't know if that culture still exists in today's NFL.
I'm not close enough to the game at this point
to know the ends and outs on how defensive players
view games, but that is certainly that was certainly culture
(06:32):
when I was coming through and when I was playing,
there was always the idea, kill the head, the body
will die. But we also can wound some different parts
of the body as well. If a running back represented
an arm, we could take that arm. If a receiver
represented a leg, take the leg. If you could get
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a lineman out of the game and get him out
of the game, that was just how you played the game.
So I don't find this to be egregious to sit
there and be like, oh, I'm going to check the
twelve on his chest and see if he can handle it.
What pulling lineman isn't going to see if any any
high draft pick on the outside can handle them pulling.
(07:16):
Who's not going to do that. So that's the first point, right,
That's the first point. But then the second point is
which I felt confident about what he said about being
a cornerback when he was first coming into the league,
But the more I've listened to Pete Prisco and other
people talk about it, If you really think about it,
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he's too good of a a weapon for a quarterback
that is in a very pivotal year for you not
to use him on the offensive side of the ball.
I would be more I would be more agreeing with
the idea of playing him one way if you were
playing him one way as a receiver at this point,
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because he gives an added dimension, he gives a weapon.
If people are saying that he's in comparison impact wise,
he could have the same type of impact that Justin
Jefferson has on the receiving corps that you know that's
what Trevor Lawrence is needing in need of. Then why
would you play him on the defensive side of the ball.
(08:23):
If that's the case, If that's the you know, the the.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Expectation or what people look at as the potential of
him as a receiver, then that's a dangerous offense all
of a sudden. Because Brian Thomas Junior doesn't get talked
about enough. That guy's a flat out stud. And for
all the love that Malik Neighbors gets, go look at
Brian Thomas junior from last year.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
So if you've got him and then Travis Hunter on
the other side, that's a problem. I just you have
to at least if you're Liam Kohen, you have to
at least try it out on defense. If the approach
is we're gonna like because the decordinate and Jacksonville is
already like, man, you can see it his instincts. We
put him out there a couple of times in OTAs
or whatever, and Liam Cohne said, look, he's come to
(09:09):
me and said, hey, can we work with him again today.
I just wonder how they're going to manage this, because,
you know, Willy Coloone's the better question, like Willy Colone saying, listen, man,
you're not going to last you know seventeen games, that
that's not how this works, Like you're not like we're
I'm going to let it be known that this is different.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And I just wonder how they may I think that's
a hot take. The reason why I don't think it's
a hot take is because you are literally taking up
two major position groups like you're you're taking up you're
a one for two. So if it's going to be
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hard for a receiver to make it through, like any
receiver is going to be a grind to make it
through because all the running that you're doing as a corner,
it's the same thing. It's going to be hard for
you to make it through because of all of the
running that you're doing. So to double that up and
say you're gonna play both positions, you're basically saying that
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your injury expectancy doubles. It doubles, right, That's what you
got to soue. It can't be a hot take to
say if a guy is playing taking up two, you're
basically taking up two roster spots like this again, I
said this earlier on. If the man were to play
two positions and to play them successfully, do you understand
(10:37):
what that means? To me? What that means is once
he gets to his contract year, you have to pay
him as a two way player. This is nothing like
to me, there's no reason to look at it and
not know what the intentions are in wanting to play
both ways. It's not just to be playing both ways.
You want to get paid as a two way player
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when you go back to the table or your second contracts.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Like when Jimmy Graham wanted to get paid as a
wide receiver, and they're like, you're a tight end.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
He goes, look at how I line up. Majority of
the time I line up as a wider. This is
totally different now, but I'm saying so it's so different.
In fact, it is unprecedented to understand the idea of
I'm coming to you. Look at what Justin Jefferson made
as a top receiver. So if I prove to you
I'm a top receiver, and then look at who's the
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top paid cornerback in the league, it might be is
it Stingley or Horn?
Speaker 6 (11:33):
Okay, so let's just say, okay, so I am one
of the top rated corners, grading out as high as
one of the top paid corners, and I'm a top
top rated receiver rate it out next to the top
rated receivers in the league, and I'm doing both successfully.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How are you going to pay him? How is that categorized?
Do you just say, oh, we're going to pay even
his contract? Now? How does he he in theory, he
is deserving to be paid for two roster spots if
he's a true two way player. Do you think he
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can hold up? That's a lot again, I think it's
a you've doubled the odds of getting injured. Can he
hold up? Yes? For how long? That's probably going to
be the biggest question. And he's not the biggest guy
in the world, right, but that could work in his favor.
(12:35):
I mean, we're not in the most physical of days
for football. It's not I mean, am we're not. We're not.
You're not in a situation where, if you do things
the right way, you make good business decisions out there
on the football field, that you can't pretty much stay
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unscathed physically. I'm not saying he won't hold up physically
in terms of getting hit. I'm saying can he hold
up physically the amount of running he's going to be doing.
That's a lot of right, And you would assume that
they're going to put Travis Hunter on established being a
cover corner. So chances are they're going to put Travis Hunter.
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If he proves out of early stage that he's good
enough to do it, you're going to put him on
the number one receiver. So not only is he going
I don't know if he's running as a one or
as a two receiver, but if he's going both ways,
and he's covering their number one receiver, and he's their
number one or number two receiver. He's running a ton
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of routes. He's doing a ton of covering of guys
running a ton of routes. It's just how are you
going to manage his reps? How are you going to
manage how he practices? How are you going to manage
all of these things that will require a true two
way player, because in the pros, even in college, two
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way players like it's where do you have the time,
Like you're going to have to split time? Because it's
not like high school where it's like you don't have
enough players. So generally, unless you're a big school, generally
you have periods. You have offensive side, you have defensive side,
because you got a lot of two way players like
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two ways. Playing two ways isn't foreign to football players.
If you played high school football at a normal high school,
if you gone to a big high school, that's different.
There's more likelihood you play one position or one side
of the ball. But for most people, you're not. It's
not foreign to you to play both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Even just looking at the depth chart for the Jaguars
and again, all this stuff changes. We're not even a
training camp now. Just seeing Travis Hunter as the wide
receiver opposite of Brian Thomas Junior and then listed now
the backup cornerback to Jerry and Jones, Like just even
seeing that makes this whole thing that much more fascinating.
(15:10):
Like I'm fascinated to see not only you know, as
Willie Colone mentioned, just the reaction, how he's going to
be approached, you know, by by other players who see
him out there, but also how are the Jaguars going
to pull this off? Because if you're if you're Liam Cohen,
now it becomes difficult to understand. All, right, snap count wise,
(15:31):
he's not going to maybe want to come out of games,
but maybe you need to take him out for a
few snaps just because he's tired, but you know, he
wants to tell. And then you've got to consider once
you get past the eleventh, twelfth week of the season,
now it's you know where they taught was that that
rookie wall? After you get about that point, like now
(15:52):
you've got to worry about the back end of the season,
and it's just him being a rookie.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I just the whole thing is fascinating to me because
we have I just think the most fascinating part of
it all is if he has success, if he has
great success playing both ways, success like true two way player,
his agency is going to have to do the unthinkable
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and you're going to have to negotiate a deal that
pays him like he's two players. There's no way around it.
If that man is able to be successful playing both ways,
you cannot give him a contract that's for a cornerback
when he's successful as a cornerback and you can't give
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him a or he's successful as a receiver and you
can't give him he's successful as a cornerback when he
I'm mixing it up, but you know what I'm trying
to say. If he's playing one side of the ball,
you can't give him a contract. Let me restate this,
all right. This is crazy because I'm confusing myself, but
I'm not confused both sides of the ball. He's successful,
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if he's successful, goes back to getting the contract redone.
You can't pay him to just be a receiver when
he's successful as a cornerback. If he goes back to
the table and he's had successful on both sides of
the ball. You can't just pay him for being successful
as a cornerback because he's been successful as a wide receiver.
That's how I wanted to get it out, and that
is the biggest to me. That will be the biggest
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storyline in all of football history. It will be up
there in the conversation of biggest, biggest happenings in the
league in the history of the game. If he's able
to be successful being a true, it has to be
true two way player.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
And that's why I brought up the Jimmy Graham's story
because you know the Saints here, it might have been
the Sea whoever was he was trying to argue it
for at that time, they wanted to pay him at
the position that was going to be cheaper, and so
you know they want listen, no, no, no, you're a
tight end. You have but line up as a wide
receiver more. No, no, no, you're a tight end. If
you're Travis Hunter and you're negotiating at that point with
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the Jaguars, I mean, they're gonna try and get.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
The best deal. Got it like this, even if they're
playing him as a backup corner and they have a starter,
or they have him as a starting corner and a
backup receiver and he's still producing, I would still demand
that I get paid whatever that wage is for that
roster spot that I'm you that I'm taking up when
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I go out there on the field. If I'm getting
the same amount of reps, I want to be paid
for getting the reps as a player that goes into
the game, whatever it is that's required, what that costs.
I want fear market value for that. And if he's
doing that in two different positions, on two different sides
of the ball, you gotta pay them. Like, how do
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you not pay them? How do you not do that deal?
And what does that look like? How do you justify
one over the other? I don't you know. I don't know.
And to me, that is the most intriguing aspect of
all of this is if he's able to pull it off,
what the hell does the NFL do if he proves
he's elite at both? Is he like AE hundred million
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dollars due guarantee? That'd be great. I mean, by that
time we're talking to what three four years from now,
who the hell knows. So you're talking like you're gonna
be forty forty four cornerbacks, maybe fifty fifty sixty four receivers. Travis,
we'll give you a hundred million. We gotta give you
one hundred million.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
By the way, we're not that far off from somebody
making one hundred million in a season.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Like we're telling what did we ten maybe ten twelve
years away. It's two I mean, there's no way around.
It's two roster spots. It's two roster spots. He's taken
up if he's a true two way player. It is
two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
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why they put me in the closet Iowa. What you
talking about the graduate? What I did the radio show
in Iowa? From a closet position to put into a closet? Hey,
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can we please isolate what LeVar just said?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Can we f eight that lee and have that for
the best of at the end at the end of
the year, just so uh, some people can get an
understanding as to what's happened over there. Put you in
the clause ever months on the show, I just want
to be clear on that.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
I ain't in Nobody's closet. Man. It is two pros
and a cup of Joe.
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Speaker 1 (21:58):
Celebrate your big b day. Happy brother, you old man.
Thank you to Kembe. Is that the Kembay? Is that
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Speaker 4 (22:13):
Uh coming up and we'll call it a little over
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That's where we report any issues, injuries, ailments from a
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Brice Hall, he was on the Get gott podcast with
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Marshawn Lynch. Yeah and uh you know and Mike Robinson
as well too, former Seahawks teammates, and he had this
to say about his time with Aaron Rodgers and what
last year.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Was like with the New York Jets.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Very misunderstood person. Great dude comes off to people a
certain way, but once you really get to know him,
you realize how good of a person he is. But
last year, you know, when you're when you're losing games,
to blame us put on the on the faces of
the team. So and it just so happened to be
like gods like me, Sauce, Garrett, Aaron Quinnin and Quincy.
So I feel like, you know, when you're losing, somebody
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has to get to get let go. But what people
don't realize is when stuff is crazy organizationally, then it's
hard for the players to you know, have stability and
win games. So I feel like, you know, you can't
you can't always blame the players because when you're stressed
out mentally, physically, and emotionally, it's hard to show up
every Sunday, every Monday, every Thursday.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So that was Breshall's It's a legitimate point, and it's
a point that has been stated for many, many years,
many years. I would have loved to known what the
stress and all those things that, you know, what was
causing that for them, the fatigue, all those things that
was leading to the results that were coming. I would
(23:54):
love to I wish they would have doubled down on
asking what what it What in particular were those elements,
because I think that's pretty that's important to know, because
he's absolutely right, Like listen, you can never say the
players aren't culpable, because they're the ones that go on
the field. But ultimately, if you're not in and I
(24:18):
say it all the time, I know it sound like
a broken record, but if you're not in an environment
that is conducive to having success, you will not have
success by accident. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
If the Jets had Patrick Mahomes. Is he still Patrick
Mahomes No? Like no, And that's why you just you
look at the idea of Rogers going there and all
the expectations and you just kind of take a step back,
and you recognized it before Brady and I did, and
(24:50):
I just kind of, now take a step back.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Then I may play away. My IQ was high enough
to recognize that there you go. You mean, I would
I say something that I saw and before you and Brady? Yes,
oh yeah, imagine that town.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, okay, up top bar, all right, But I just
take a step back and you realize, oh, that just
wasn't going to work. And the reasons for anyone. Yeah,
and that's that. This isn't a Rogers thing, This isn't
a defensive Aaron Rodgers. This is more of a look
(25:26):
around at recent quarterbacks with the New York Jets. All right,
Geno Smith was drafted by the Jets. It didn't work,
didn't work. Geno Smith's career has now been revived and
he's the starting quarterback for the Raiders, and you feel
way better about the Raiders chances this year because of
(25:47):
Geno Smith. That was the guy that the Jets drafted
and it didn't work. Sam Darnold just had the best
season of his career and just got paid. He was
a former Jets quarterback. Yes, he was like, we don't know.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Oh, now, Zach Wilson, former overall number one number what
was it, number one? Number two? Number two, yeah, number
two overall, he's not even there anymore.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Not there anymore. And now that I've now that, you
start to look at the track record and the history
of the Jets and it's you know, whether it's quarterback
or whatnot. Man, I don't know how you look at
Zach Wilson and go, yeah, we've seen everything we need
to see from him. I would love to see Zach
Wilson get a shot because I want to know what
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was it. Because I'm starting to believe no matter who
it is, it's not going to work there. And that's
why Justin Field's making the decision to leave Pittsburgh because
he got a little bit more money to go to
the Jets. It's almost like he thinks, no, no, no, I'm
going to be the guy that's going to change this.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Good luck man.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Like, there's been a lot of people that have said
the same thing, a lot of coaches who have said
the same thing, and somehow, someway it always falls apart.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, like Rex Ryan, he was close.
Speaker 9 (27:02):
He was close that he went to AFC Championship games,
and somehow, some way, even in the midst of all
that foot fetishes, Mark Sanchez tattoos.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It just always seems I used to really care about
the drama and a circus. If the if the team
is on the same page, the coaches are on the
same page, the organization all on the same if everybody's
on the same page, and the culture is supportive, and
it's you against the world and people are coming at
(27:36):
you and doing foot fetishes and this that and the
other I don't care, it doesn't matter. And they were winning,
and they were winning now at the time of the
foot fetish. I think that that was during the time
of it going downhill for reps, I do believe. But
they were winning at one point and the ground and
pound was real, their defense was real, and they had
(27:59):
a legitimate team that was vying for a Super Bowl appearance.
They really were that good. Now, how they were able
to find that within all of the chaos. Maybe it
was because a guy like Rex Ryan, knowing the NFL
landscape so well because of being around his entire life
(28:23):
with his dad. Maybe he was able to facilitate in
a way where the guys were on the same page.
He had who he needed to be on the same page.
I don't know what it was, but I would have
to say that the coach would have to beat a
catalyst in that scenario if that were to ever take place.
(28:44):
Marty Schottenheimer did it in Washington. Dan Snyder was uncomfortable
with it and got rid of him. He wanted more
of a guy who was in line with how he
wanted him to do things and run things as a
hit coach, and they got rid of them. You did
Draft Night here at Fox Sports Radio with Joe Douglas.
(29:07):
All Right, he strikes me as somebody who knows his stuff,
and listening to that show, the way that he drafted
in New York, he knows this stuff. Like I look
at him, you know, being you know, obviously fired during
the season with the Jets, and it's like, all right,
I'll bet it's not long before that guy's at GM again.
(29:28):
I'd be willing to bet it is not long before
Joe Douglas is hired as a GM again. And look,
he just got hired by Philly. He's going to help
out their front office.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
I just I don't know how you come away with
any other conclusion with this much, this many different coaches,
this many different quarterbacks, this many different gms. There's constant change.
The only thing that stays the same is the stuff
up top.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
There you go. I just stay around that, And I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
At some point, if you're a Jets fan, get excited
all you want and say, oh, you know, we didn't
need Rogers and there's all this, and you know we
didn't need Robert Salah was this and he was all right,
you keep pointing at all the other issues except for
the major one, which is it's the same people running
(30:22):
the show, and it's the same results every time.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
If you make it, if you make it that simple,
then you're able to come up with your conclusion. Right,
it is the same thing. Again. I'll continue to use
Washington as as my example because I know it pretty well.
You had within a four year period of time, a
three year period of time, you have four coaches. Right
(30:48):
at some point, you were having a new head coach
every year. You were having a new defensive coordinator every year.
You were having a new offensive coordinator every year. How
you supposed to as a player. So hold on, so
hold on, right, So you have all these different different
coaching changes and you're still getting the same results. You
(31:11):
get Joe Gibbs. He comes in, he gets one good
run out of it, one really good run out of it,
and then he gets up out of there. He never
really got that far. So if you're looking at it
as you go all the way into the bag of tricks,
and you go as deep as to bring back a
legendary coach that won super Bowls with the team with
(31:32):
three different quarterbacks and can't get it done. He's got
to go. You've had numerous quarterbacks, You've had numerous players
at every other position. You had numerous players or numerous
people at GM, You've had numerous people as your scouting department,
numerous people in your sales department, numerous people everywhere in
(31:54):
your organization. At what point in time do you say,
with all of the lack of success that it has
to be the culture of the place. Like, that's as
simple as it gets. You can only come up with
the conclusion of it has to be the culture starting
(32:15):
with the person who owns it. Whatever tone that is
that that person sets, that's what the tone, that's what
the personality. Just like they say the team takes on
the personality of the coach, the organization takes on the
person out. Depending on how the ownership is, I'll say,
if you have present ownership, which Dan Snyder was, which
(32:38):
Woody Johnson is, If you have present ownership, then that
present ownership, the way they handle things are ultimately are
going to be the tone setter and the barometer and
the measuring stick of how everything is going to be ran,
how you're supposed to think about things. If you're feeling
like it's like he's like got everybody scared going to
(33:00):
fire you. If you don't do what you're supposed to do,
then everybody's going to walk around with the feeling of
I'm going to fire you, I'm gonna get fired. I'm
only it's only a matter of time if I don't
do X, Y and Z. If you're in a place
where it's like, okay, if you get here at an
early time and there's a parking space closer to the
to the door, you get that parking space. There's nothing given.
(33:22):
It's all about merit system, meritocracy of what's going on here,
then that's what you have. But it's going to come
from the tone setters, which are generally the ownership and
for what it's worth, Woody Johnson has not been a
person that would get a good grade, a glowing grade
on on creating a healthy culture to be able to win.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
And the thing that blows my mind is there's no
shortage of people that continue to want to sign up
for that. Rex Ryan wanted back in. He campaigned openly
on radio TV wanted back in. And I don't know
if it's because, well, I'm the one to change the culture.
I'm the one to change the fortune of the franchise.
It's like these serial killers who have people fall in
love with them, and you get these weirdos who show
(34:08):
up to prison and they're like giving them gifts and
wanting to get married. It's like, well, I could be
the one to change him. No, you're gonna be the
one that ends up in the trunk of a car somewhere,
just like everybody else. And for some reason, all these
people still want to go in there and like Aaron Glenn,
opportunity of a lifetime former New York jet and you
(34:29):
hope it goes well.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
I feel like we've got enough evidence over the past
few decades and it's not gonna end up all that
well for anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
You just wonder, is there the chance that someone who
has created such a corrosive and toxic environment, are they
able to change their ways and in a way where
in a manner where it changes how everybody does things.
I mean to see the way Washington is now with
(34:58):
the new ownership that was one year's time. What changed.
Imagine Like I'm walking around the stadium and like people
are happy, Like walking to the owner's box, people were happy,
like it wasn't. It's crazy, man, It's crazy. Like it
just felt good. Felt it felt like a party, like
(35:20):
they up in that bitch partying, like damn, like what's
up LeVar? Like what's up LeVar? Never thought it would happen,
never thought I'd go back, went back and just seeing how,
you know, the new Ownership group, how they handle things
(35:41):
and the and you know what it is Jonas. I
always say, because I'm an entrepreneur, I know we got
to get out of here. But I always say, if
you treat people like people, then they will return and
reciprocate that feeling of treating you like a person back.
If you guys are treating one another as people, then
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there's a strong chance that people will start to take ownership.
Not just come show up and clock in to do
a job, but they will actually take ownership, personal accountability
and ownership over what it is that they're doing. I
saw that in New York as a player, and that's
something that I've always tried to emulate. And the things
that I do is to be a person to the
(36:25):
people I work with. I never like to say people
work for me. I always like to say we work together.
And just knowing that treating people like people knowing their name,
knowing their family's name, knowing what's going on with their kids,
and you know, different life experiences, being able to handle
things that way, where you show people that they matter.
(36:49):
Mss bj at the Front desk of Washington, she mattered.
You know, Vlati cleaning the locker rooms and all that stuff.
He mattered. Brad Berlin and Anders and the in the
equipment room, they matter. Larry and Dean and the rest
of the group that were in the training room. Bubba
Bubba tired. They all mattered. Yeah, they all mattered. The
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guys in the weight room, the guys who cut the
lawn and put the lines on the field. If you're
one of those guys where all those guys matter, then
that ownership level goes up through the roof, and then
the morale is always high. And if everything isn't going right,
you're still able to get through those times and get
through those things because everybody has a good rapport and
(37:33):
a good feeling with one another. You didn't create this elitism,
which is I don't even think is a word, but
like eliteness about you where it's like call him mister
Snyder and don't look at him in his eyes like
that's you've already set the tone. When mister Snyder comes
into the building. You're not to look at him in
the eyes. You are not to address him unless he
addresses you, and if he addresses you, you are to
(37:55):
address him as mister Snyder. That was the standard. And
he all he's had his bodyguards with him. He always
had his security with him, both sides strapped. Oh so
you couldn't even slap him around a little bit. No, no,
you're not going to slap him around.
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All right, I got something, Go ahead, what'd you get?
And I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
If this isn't actually my ir, but so I'm in
church with my son, he's four years old. And you know,
we're sitting in church and there's this room off to
the side where you know, you can have kids. You know,
kids start getting a little loud or they start crying
or whatever, so we usually go into that room. It's
a little bit cooler, there's more room, and you know,
(40:18):
we're just watching the mass. You know on the television,
you'd hear it through the speakers and all that stuff.
And we're just watching the Mass. And this mom's in
there and she's got her three daughters. There's an older
one who's probably like around seven, there's another one who's
probably five, and then a little baby. And the mom
comes out and the middle child is on the carpet
of the church kind of playing around, and the mom
(40:39):
tells her.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
She's like, no, keep get that's disgusting.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
And the girl wasn't moving fast enough, so the mom
literally reached down and pulled her up by her ear.
What And the girl's like rubbing her side of her face,
trying not to cry. I come home and I tell
my wife. I'm like, I tell her the story. She goes, oh, yeah,
she's probably Mexican. Oh wow, Like what what is that?
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Was?
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Like, oh, yeah, our mom and grandma used to do
that to us all the time. Oh, that's that's the thing.
She goes, Yeah, grown up Mexican that's just reached out
and grabbed somebody by the ear.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
The girls holding the side of her. Isn't that like
one of the most sensitive spots Tang tang
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