July 2, 2025 • 40 mins
Lamar Jackson talks about the difficulty of being a vocal leader which is needed at the quarterback. DeSean Jackson credits Deion Sanders for opening more doors for former athletes to coach. Plus, talking to celebrities at the urinal and The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.
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Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Lamar Jackson did it. He was talking with Kevin Hart
on Cold as Balls Nice with Kevin Hart and he
was asked about, you know, where do you think you
need to get better at what.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Was the most difficult adjusting for you in the NFL
Just being a leader.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Okay, I'm gonna say been a leader because I'm I
really don't. I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with
my guys like oh let's do this and that, or
got a great motivational speech.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't have that, you know. I just pretty much
lead by Zeppa. I'll go out there, I'm gonna work hard.
I expect that out of you.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
But as I've been going, like growing in the league,
it's like, nah, you gotta talk to the guys coaches
and stuff like talk to the guy in my right now.
I talked to him one on one, but certain things
I'm saying, I gotta voice it more with my opinion
more to those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So that was Lamar Jackson talking about trying to become
more of a vocal leader even though he's not really
With Kevin Hart on The Coldest Balls Show. I don't
know if that's a podcast or whatnot, but it's a podcast.
So is this overrated? Overstated? The whole need to be
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a leader standpoint when it comes to a quarterback, because yeah,
I don't think you know, anybody wants somebody who's a
mute or somebody who's a complete a hole. But to me,
it feels like I'll take somebody who's talent talented over
somebody who talks.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, that one's a It's an interesting question. It's an
age old debate. You know, in my estimation, if your
talent is superior to others and people realize it, and
you have the ability to change games and do things,
you you automatically kind of play yourself into being a leader.
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And as Lamar mentioned, you know, he likes to lead
more by example than by saying things. It's it's tough
when you're a quarterback because it's it's a role that
is deemed the leadership role, whether you like it or not.
It's like that's the position where you can't be a
quiet person. And that's just kind of how the the
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job description has been defined. So while while it's like, yeah,
let a guy be who they are naturally, I think
they have to. At the position of quarterback, you have
to learn how to communicate well enough to be enough
of a vocal leader, you know, for the team, for
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your unit. Now, you don't want that to come across
this fake or phony. You definitely want to be organic
and be you know, authentic in the person that you are.
But when the game is on the line, you know,
sometimes it takes hearing from your quarterback to say let's
eff and go. You know, when when you're about to
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start the game. You know, you see how Tom Brady
used to run out and like scream at the fans
and then start head butting his linemen and stuff like that. Like,
you know, Tom Brady isn't a raw rock guy off
of the field. You know, he's not one of those
like loud, boisterous dudes off of the field. He gets
in the character. He got in the characters as a player.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So I just think that's a it's a hard debate.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
For most most positions, you could say that person doesn't
have to be very vocal, doesn't have to be a
loud leader, doesn't have to.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Be a raw raw guy and bring it up and deliver.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
A Maximus decimus meridius speech to the guys before they
go out there. But that would be I would say
jonas a quarterback that doesn't bring a strong leadership quality
to the table is almost like having a head coach
that doesn't bring to the table a strong leadership quality.
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I mean, you know what I mean, That's what I
would I would say the importance of that voice is
almost just as important as the voice of your head coach.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But wouldn't you say also that a guy like Lebar Jackson,
he may not have the voice, but he's got the
skill set and the talent that it can override whatever
deficiencies he has in that voice to wear a coach.
All he has is his voice and his leadership. Like you,
there's nothing else you can show to try and get
guys going to where Lamar Jackson could just be like,
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I don't know, pick a game, put that one on
if you want to know how to do this right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, but but leading by example, like he's only got
what one or two backups at most, Yeah, so that
leading by example watch what I do and see what
I do and stuff like that. Sure that, I mean
that could be helpful to guys that are backing him
up as as a teammate or as a backup to him.
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But when you're talking about the rest of the unit,
they can see how good he is.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They can they can see.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The things on film that say he's giving a maximum
effort but again I think it still comes back to
and the reason why I think he's that the quarterbacks
position is comparable to the head coaches position is because
it's a it's a position of guidance. You know, it's
a position you have to communicate. You you're the one
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that in a lot of cases, you you're calling the play.
I mean, the way they get plays is a little
different these days. Some people get it from the sideline
and you don't really have to get it from the quarterback.
But the quarterback has to communicate every single play, and
he has to communicate to everybody on that unit in
some shape or form, and he touches the ball every
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single time. His level of importance and his level of
competency competency has to be so much higher than everyone else's,
I mean standard wise, and because they have the most
responsibilities of anybody on the field. So while again while
I say, listen, I played with Jeff George and I
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always use him when these types of conversations come up.
I always use Jeff George as an example. Jeff George
did not speak, He was he was not a talker.
He was not going to give you a speech before
the game that was going to just blow your pants
off and you'd be like, Yeah, let's go get these
mother lovers. And that wasn't Jeff George.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Was he I've always heard that was he arrogant? Or
was that just the outside perception.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
The perception of him was he was arrogant because he
couldn't have been one of the most coolest dudes that
you'd ever meet. He's just I don't even want to
call him like socially awkward, but maybe that's what he's
just quiet.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Because Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler got the Jeff George comparison
all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, but Jeff George didn't make faces like Jay Cutler.
Like Jay Cutler, Jay culor did some things in like
public where you could see it, and his facial expressions
and the nonchalantness like Jeff George had that look like
a nonchalant look, but Jay Cutler's look totally and the
way he talked it totally hit the building that they
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put on him. Fear or not, It totally fit. Jeff
George was just cool. He just didn't talk much. Man,
he just wasn't one to talk. Could spin it out
a cannon sling that thing brouh you'd be like wow,
like look at the like arm talent. There aren't very
many you could sit there and say it had the
same arm talent or comparable arm talent.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
To Jeff George.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I dude, throw that ball brou I think came off
his hand like so so easily.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But it just it was.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I've heard er Lacker talk about it when the Bears
traded for Cutler the first time they saw him and practice,
or like Jesus, it just looked different than much like
Jeff George just looked different than everybody else the way
they could YEA.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I just don't think you got to be an over
the top communicator, Like yes, you got to be a
leader because that's what the job description calls for. And
just like with a coach, a coach has to whether
they're a good communicator or not, they have to have
those types of abilities. It's a part of your job. Basically,
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a part of your job description is to be be
a leader.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Did you ever hear the j Cutler story at the
urinal so he's I don't know, have you ever been
approached by a fan while you're at the urinal of good?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
If you want to if we want to be honest here. Yeah,
it's one of the most heavily it's one of the
most heavily used places to meet a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It's it's it's amazing how many times I've seen my
friends or even myself get up go to the restroom.
And you'll see people get up and go to the
restroom and it's like some of them can't even hold
their water. They'll get you while you still like you still,
you know, doing what you're doing. Some people like and
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the worst one is when when you go into a
stall like and you can see under it, you can
see the legs, so you try to wait a little longer,
and the legs aren't going anywhere. Then you finally get
up to come wash your hands, and then they're acting
like they're washing their hands and like, hey, hey, how
you doing. Didn't know you were there? Are you about chance?
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Such and such man, it's such a great, great pleasure
to meet you. You know, you get it more than
you would ever imagine. That's like the safe place to say, hey,
are you such and such? Or they'll catch you coming
out the door, right if it's a young lady, they'll
catch you coming out of the door.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I don't even know. Uh, I don't even think we've
talked about this before. But the first time you and
I met, I don't like you were You were giving
me a weird look, and I don't know why. So
for people that don't know this story, so LeVar and I.
I saw LeVar at a Urinal. I pulled up right
next to him and I said, hey, man, nice watch.
And for some reason you took offense to that or
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got weirded out by that, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, I don't remember that. I don't remember this story.
I don't remember this story, and I'm not going to
I'm not going to play into this story, all right.
So but so here's the J Cutler Urinal story. Real story. Actually,
this time I tell him that that was not a
real So it's not a real story.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
My watch was right where my watch was, right where
everything was taking place.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Damn, LeVar, is that a Is that a Mavato or
a Rolex? So so J Cutler reported, and I got,
I guess this is I guess this has been confirmed.
So he was at a Urinal taking care of business,
and there was some guy who was a fan of his,
who I guess was also a Vanderbilt alum, and literally
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walked up to J Cutler while he's at the urinal
and starts to say, hey, man, I went to Vanderbilt too,
just wanted to say. And before he could even finish
his comment, Jay Cutler just leaned his head back and went,
don't care. People heard it. The guy got shamed and
just walked out, and people like, oh, J Cutler is
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such an a hole. Well, no, that's the exact response
you should get. If a guy's got us back to
and at the urinal, you don't come up and fanboy
out to him. And Jay Cutler just leaned his head
back and said, don't care, finish his business. So, I mean, listen,
he's a he's a different leader too, you know, he
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was a He'd like to approach it the whole of
a process, much different than everybody else. On the subject
of Lamar Jackson, I would say this, however, he decides,
you know whatever his leadership you know, ability is, and
he doesn't like to be as vocal as everybody else.
As he said, that is one guy that I root
for to win a Super Bowl like I will. No, no, no, no,
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no Lamar Jackson long ago, No, no back to Lamar Jackson.
I would I openly root for Lamar Jackson to win
a super Bowl because I love everything about that guy.
I love the way he plays, I love his approach
to all this. He's never been a douche. He's never
you talking about anybody that could be arrogant. Never, never,
one time his career has there ever been an issue
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with that. And sort of the conversation about, well, a
running quarterback like Lamar Jackson can't win a super Bowl
blah blah blah, all of that stuff, you know, especially
in the conference he plays in with all those great quarterbacks.
That is a dude who I hope one day wins
a super Bowl just so he can shut so many
people up. The way he handled his contract, not having
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an agent, all of that. There's been so many people
that have dismissed him this entire time, for whatever their
reasons are. I openly will root for Lamar Jackson to
win a Super Bowl. He's one of my favorite players
in sports.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Nice. Yeah, I think he's a likable guy too.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know, I think that you know, if if you
ever had a problem with him, then you generally probably
might have a problem with yourself because he just does.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Not give you a reason ever to dislike him.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know, never when from the shirt and when he
comes out to the podium, you know that nobody cares
work harder type stuff. Like his approach is so he
reminded his voice, like his mannerisms. He reminds me of
sweetness so much. I remember, like the interviews I used
to see a Walter Payton and how he had a site.
He was so soft spoken and just the way that
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he would communicate was very like direct and just straight
to the point. And that's a lot like how Lamar
Jackson is. Like There's one thing that I've always appreciated
about him is he is truly authentically who he is
like the people that he grew up around. He's the
same exact dude, just older, you know, just older, but
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hasn't tried to be something. He's not tried to be
somebody is not, Which comes back to the original point
of should he be like him giving himself that criticism,
that's great to challenge himself to want to do that better.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And I think that that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Makes it even more of an asset for his teammates
that he would try, because his teammates already know. They
already know that he the things that he will say.
His teammates already know that it's going to be trumped
in spades by the way he plays the game. So
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just to get an like he could come out and
try to give a pregame speech Jonas and it be
the worst by standard, like all that isn't like how
such and such would have done it. They would have
said it and it would have been you know, you know,
communicated way better. His teammates are at the worst of
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it will be like that might that might have been
the dopest pregame speech that I've ever got in my
entire life, because you know, if you're getting it from him,
that's it's a real moment for him. He's taking himself
out of his own comfort zone to be able to
say and communicate to you how he feels about what
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we're about to go do and go do together. So
to me, it's a win win situation here. He can't
mess up being a leader to his team at this
point the way he is.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's not You're not gonna dang, I got it wrong.
I didn't say the right words, because really all he
needs to say in those moments of being a leader
is what it is that he's thinking. He doesn't have
to make anything up. And I think that that's kind
of he's earned that, right. Yea, if he came in,
came in right away trying to do that, maybe you
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run the risk of them like a da da dad.
I don't really feel it. But he has proven so
much to that that organization, to those players, to the
community that the few words like people that are you
know people, a few words that say impactful things, people
hang on to those words as if it were the
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same amount as one hundred times that many words. So
I think it's a great it's a great observation for him,
it's a it's a great critique, and it's probably a
suit super positive thing for him to say, I want
to tackle the challenge of being able to be a
better leader and communicate better with my teammates moving forward.
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It's going to help him to grow. He he'll grow
a little bit more because he's taking himself out of
his comfort zone.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He is everything that Cleveland thought they were getting into.
Shaun Watson Baltimore gets it with Lamar Jackson and then
some like just the way like there's never been a
whisper of any off field issues. There's like, I mean
nothing like, there's been no talk about him doing anything
that you look at and go, oh, give a side
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eye to that. It's just his whole approach, the way
he handles stuff. I mean, you know, he may have
gotten the runs during a game, who knows. There's still
some mystery about that. He seemed to disappear and run
into the locker room and then come back out. That
was a little interesting. But other than that, I can't
think of any time where you look at Lamar Jackson
and go, I don't know, you question that guy's character.
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You questioned him as a leader what ever? Just a
great player and no issues off the field. And that's
a guy I mean who.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Have one issue one time off the field, which is
what when he tried to make a fool out of
a seed that was was on the beach, you know,
running one hundred miles per hour and then.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Ah, yeah do ill advised. Yeah, that's gotta be careful
out there, especially these summertime activities. But yeah, I mean
he's he's awesome, So good for Lamar Jackson and probably
do to get a major payday as well too. Again
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That'll be yours right here on FSR. Here's some good.
Deshaun Jackson, Delaware State head coach, was on the All Facts,
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No Breaks podcast and gave a little credit to the
one and only former teammate of LeVar Arrington, Dion Sanders.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Coach prime man.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I can't stress enough about how he's open doors of
for gods like myself. You know, we talked about Michael Vick,
Bien and Norfolk we played this year, so you know,
just being able to learn from guys like him that's
been at the HBCU when he was at Jackson State,
now he at Colorado, Like you know, this is stepping
stone from the arf, so I want to come there.
They only won two games in the past two years,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm coming into a
situation I can't do nowhere, and I'm a bet on myself.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Ain't no shoe too big for me to feel.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
So with that being said, like I feel like the
foundation is set, you know, it's just on me to
put certain you know around and get to you know,
we got to get it on.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So he uh points out that coach Prime sort of
opened up the doors for a lot of people, and
it does feel that way that his success or or
the popularity of it, all of a sudden, you're starting
to see former players get opportunities that maybe they wouldn't
have gotten before because they realized, hey, this actually might
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work if you go this direction.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
All of a sudden, people are paying attention to these
former players that are putting in the work.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
There have been plenty of former players that have transitioned
straight into coaching, none have ever been as high profile
as Dion Sanders.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And to see someone.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
See someone have the success that that Prime had, I
would assume is very inspiring to a lot of people.
We saw Mike Singletary take on coaching and it didn't
work out very well for him. And it wasn't that
he wasn't a very very amazing football mind. It was
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just that I you know, the things that I heard
criticisms wise in terms of what he represented, was he
wanted you to adopt his mentality fully and understanding that
adopting a Hall of Famer, one of the greatest football
players to ever play the game at their position, that's
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a hard that's that's a hard deal to feel, right
like you, You're not going to get, even at the
pro level, You're not going to get very many guys
that can raise their level of expectation and their level
of play and their mindset to that of one of
Mike Singletary. And I think if people were being honest,
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that might have been why Mike Singletary struggled as a coach,
because he understood the structure, He understood delegating, he understood
a lot about no what the profession consisted of. I
just don't think that his way of being able to
connect with those athletes was it wasn't modified, It wasn't
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flexible enough for him to get the results, because the
results were never going to be as good as he
would wanted them.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
To have been.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And if I'm speaking out a term and he hears this,
I apologize if I'm off this is just what I've heard,
and I'll preface by saying that, or I'll say that
post saying this, because that's just what I've heard.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And when you get guys, I've been around Prime.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I was around Prime when Shador and Shiloh were still
playing Pee wee league football. And one thing again, I
always say this because people don't realize it is Dion
Sanders was coaching his kids from the time they started football.
He created the Truth League so that he could train
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and teach his kids football. When even when Dion Junior
was a baby, Prime used to have Dion Junior dressed
in full equipment when we had full workout days at
training camp. Young Dion Junior would be in full gear, redskins, gear, helmet,
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pad's uniform and he would go through stretches with us,
he went through individual drills, and he was a baby.
He was like a little he was like he couldn't
have been no more than seven eight years old, and
and he had his kid with him doing the doing
the stretches, doing the individual drills in the pros as
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a baby. So he has invested in his coaching and
teaching and mentoring of his kids since they were little.
He has been a coach at the youth level, he
has been a coach at the high school level, and
now a coach at the college level. So this is
something that Dion Sanders has been building for years. People
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may not people think that Dion, Oh, it's so easy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's so easy.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The one thing about Dion is his work ethic is crazy.
It is crazy. And if you don't realize all he's
put in. He built his coaching staff through the years.
Jonas the guys that coach with him, the vast majority
of the majority of those guys have been with him
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for a very very long time. I say all this
to say I think it's great that Dion has created
this wave and created this light that has been shed
on HBCUs for them to go there, for guys like
a Deshaun Deshaun Deshaun Jackson and guys like Mike Vick.
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Eddie George did it quietly. Eddie George is having Eddie.
I think he's on the path the going.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
To coach Ohio State. I really do. But that's a
whole other conversation I.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Were talking about that. He I mean, he interviewed for
the Bears job this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Past he is doing one hell of a job and
it's led to him getting Bowling green Bowling green Lands
in Ohio. Ohio is well, it's Ohio, and Eddie George
is a Heisman Trophy winner for Ohio State, and well,
Ryan Day just won a national title. It'd be blasphemous
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and crazy to say he's going to get that job.
But think about if Eddie George continues to have the
success that he's having and Ryan Day has one loss
or two loss a year, they might be talking about
get rid of him. He's positioning himself very nicely, and
these other guys are having the opportunity to position themselves
very nicely. The caution the caution is don't underestimate the
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amount of work, in the amount of time that Dion
Sanders has put and invested in being able to understand
these kids, understand coaching, understand the values.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And the level of what it takes to be able
to run.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A successful organization, a successful team, a successful program.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And all he.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Has done is taken the model that he's built through
the years and has continuously implemented it. Jackson State implemented it,
Colorado implemented it. He has not done anything differently than
what he's done all along.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It's just that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
People weren't paying attention to it. Even with Dion Jr.
Doing the content and all those things. They've been doing
that since before Jackson State. He's been doing content like this.
They've been doing this content for a long time. So
that's why it was weird to me when people were
getting offended by the way he was doing things. They
had already been doing this. They had a TV show,
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The Truth League was on the TV show. It was
showing all the different things that they were doing. It
started there. So my caution too and just air on
the side of understanding that every single one of these
guys is not going to play out like Deion Sanders.
In fact, you can't sit there and expect that it's
going to happen because I don't know what the coaching
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backgrounds of these guys are. I know I know Deshaun
Watson and I know Michael Vick know the game very
very well, can dissect the game, can look at the game,
but can they game plan?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How are their coaches?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I know they got star studared coaches like Clinton Ports
and guys like that are on the coaching staffs that
these guys had, but are they really genuinely you know,
are they experienced enough to take on the level of
coaching that they've been a lot at the opportunity to
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be able to do.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
We're going to find out.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Well, it's like the Sean McVay stuff when Sean McVay
worked with the RAMS, because I remember being out here
and the reporting on Sean mcvay's interview with the RAMS
was they brought him in. He was with Washington, he
was an assistant there. They bring him in the interview,
they were so blown away. They brought him back for
a second interview, and then they hired him. That worked
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because he revived Jared Goff's career. He got Jared Goff
on track and the rest is history. And then all
of a sudden it became whoever was buddies with Sean
McVay was going to get a job like that became
the new trend, the new popular move. But not all
of them worked. Not all of them worked like Sean
mcvay's worked. He's won a super Bowl, so you know,
Matt Lafleur things like like, there's been some success. So yeah,
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to your point, they're not all going to work out
like Dion, but much like Sean McVay, you needed somebody
to kick in the door to get people to think
differently about hiring, and Dion's at least done that. And
for anybody that wonders whether or not Dion's been a
success because they haven't won a national title, blah whatever.
If it wasn't a success and it hasn't work to
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at least some degree, then why are so many other
schools all of a sudden now doing similar things like
hiring a Deshaun Jackson, Like giving these guys opportunities because
they realize, hey, maybe, unlike a Mike Singletary back in
the day, maybe this is the path to be able
to connect with younger athletes, especially in today's nil recruiting world.
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You've got to bring in somebody different than your typical
coach from back in the day. And at least Dean
opened the door for that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Hey man, players players over x'es and o's. So one
thing I will say about those two names that you
will not debate is their influence.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
People out here love DeShawn.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Jackson's he played at Long Beach Poly, He's from California,
Southern cal People love him. He crushed it as as
a Philadelphia Eagle. People love him as a Philadelphia Eagle.
He did well as a Washington riskin People love him
in Washington, DC. And we don't even have to go there.
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About Mike Vick, He's an iconic figure and for all
the people that hate him for his transgressions, there are
a lot of people that love him even more because
of the comeback story that was everything that he went through.
The value of what they bring to the table is
their celebrity and their influence. They will be able to
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get some of the best football players in the country
because the transfer portal and the NIL has totally changed
the college space. So you're going to get some really,
really fine football players that get lost in all of this.
And some of the best football players don't make it
to the next level because for one reason or another
they're just not exposed enough. These types of situations and
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opportunity allow for a player to find his way to
to exposure. I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen right now.
Dion is going to be a support to a Michael Vick,
to a Deshaun Jackson. Other coaches are going to be
a tremendous support because of their love and admiration and
respect for those.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Two guys in particular, and they are.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Going to feed athletes like, we can't get this kid
this year, but if you could get a hold of him,
get him and we'll come get him off of you
in a couple of years. They are going to become
the factories for these larger universities until they have enough
success to go transition to a larger university.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Whatever the hell, what the hell happened with Ed Reid?
Remember he was at Bethune Cookman and the deal fell through.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It just never it just never came back, never came
back around. I mean, he was so throwed off he
would's that has upset him so bad that I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
He's he walked away.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
He's the offensive coordinator at a high school in the
Atlanta area. From I understand, that's the last that I
had heard. But that's a guy who you would look
at and go talk to anybody about does he have
a mind for the game? Does he is? He is
that guy a leader? As we talk about you know,
Lamar Jackson and the rate Ed Reid feels like that's
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a name that you would look at and want to hire.
But maybe he was so disenchanted by the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Propop up though he'll pop up, he'll pop back up.
If he really wants to do it, he'll pop and
that man, he's a brilliant football mind. Yeah, And it's
the same thing like he's a relatable guy. He's been
in the community. He's built very very deep roots into
in the community with his his foundational work and different
things like that. He's got a great team of people
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around him. Again, I think it's the guys that bring
an infrastructure to the table that are going to be
the ones that have success. If you don't have an infrastructure,
I don't care how good your influence is on the kids,
it's gonna fall flat when you play against a real
program that has those elements in play. Again, like I said,
we're going to find out what types of coaches these
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guys are and give them a little grace, give them
opportunity to be able to figure it out as well.
I think that it'll be a good learning situation for
anybody who's thinking about getting into coaching.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
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Speaker 3 (37:31):
Well?
Speaker 8 (37:31):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good and I got some goods for you. That's
us being able to sleep in a little bit longer
for the next few days. We get to fulfill in
for mister Colin Coward tomorrow, Dan Patrick on Friday. That
means we get to a few extra hours of sleep
before we get to celebrate the Fourth of July weekend.
Have some some brought some burgers and all that good stuff.
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That's my good for the week.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
All right, that's a beautiful thing. Man.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna say my bad for the week since
I'm gonna take bad even if I didn't get it,
even though I know I got it because it.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Looked at it deliver those beds.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The bad is is that, well, it's going to be
a special edition of Black and Drack on those two
shows versus it being two Pros and a cup of Joe.
But it's okay, you know, it's okay because Black and
Drack try to deliver and I think we do a
pretty pretty solid job of delivering while the star is
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out and getting his fingernails and his toe nails shined
and clipped and manicured and eyebrows and hair and all
that stuff. You know, he's got to stay looking good.
Oh yeah, going into the season. So hell yeah, that's
the bad though. It's not the three of us. It's
just the two amigos, not the three amigos.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Alright, Lee, who's got the ugly?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And from bad to worse? Uh?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Jonas was ugly, all right, So here's the ugly all right.
You can tell people all you want. You can warn them,
you can show them video highlights, you can tell them
about all the dangers. You can give them all the intel,
all the guidance that you could possibly come up with
to try and steer them in the safe direction. When
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it comes to fourth July, and I mark my words,
somebody somewhere listening to this is going to lose a finger,
going to lose a hand. Something terrible is going to happen,
because no matter how much info and advice you give people,
somebody does something stupid. It's like that dude and his
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buddy who were in main years ago, and they thought
it would be a good idea. Of those giant open
field they had mortar bombs and one of these guys
had ripped like an eighteen pack and decided to set
it on his head when he lit it. How do
you think that worked out?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Oh it blew.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, he shrunk six inches. So like the idea of
people not understanding the dangers of what's out there. Look,
there's it's why when on movie sets you have to
pass all these safety measures. It's why they're in controlled environments.
You are not a pyro expert. Try and stay safe,
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watch out for kids, do things the right way. And
even in saying all that, the ugly will occur and
somebody's gonna get blown up happens every year no matter what. Well,
it's because they want to never fails. To all the
people out there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I'll just add this to Jonas, don't go where the
guid that's going to get blown up goes.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Just watch, just watch and film it. We want to
see it.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Let's get this, putties, you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Oh, this one's gonna go. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna pull it,
pull it on, back and back. Hey, I tell Jack,
break it up, break it down, beg it up.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Mess it up, mess it up, mess it up, mess
it up. I tell my man, Drack, break it up,
break it down, beg it back it up, back it up.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
She said, you're a drag ula already. No, I hang
with my toes.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
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part of your Wednesday morning. With the Fourth of July
holiday right around the corner, and it's very very hot
out there, you know, starting to temperatures are starting to
rise all across the country. I will say this, there's
a lot of videos of tornadoes popping up all over
the country. So I want in Atlanta, South Dakota, Colorado.
(02:12):
Just want to see one. It's all I'm asking for.
Not too much. That's a bucket list for me. Not
one that does at need damage, not looking to tear
any structures down, but a wide open field. I just
want to see one. It's all I'm asking for. Meanwhile,
they just dangle the videos in front of me, and
everybody's trying to figure out how to escape the heat
and the storms and all that. There is one way
(02:32):
you can do it. You can get in a nice
cold bath. That's what you can do.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Lamar Jackson did it. He was talking with Kevin Hart
on Cold as Balls Nice with Kevin Hart and he
was asked about, you know, where do you think you
need to get better at what.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
Was the most difficult adjusting for you in the NFL
Just being a leader.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
Okay, I'm gonna say been a leader because I'm I
really don't. I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with
my guys like oh let's do this and that, or
got a great motivational speech.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
I don't have that, you know. I just pretty much
lead by Zeppa. I'll go out there, I'm gonna work hard.
I expect that out of you.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
But as I've been going, like growing in the league,
it's like, nah, you gotta talk to the guys coaches
and stuff like talk to the guy in my right now.
I talked to him one on one, but certain things
I'm saying, I gotta voice it more with my opinion
more to those guys.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
So that was Lamar Jackson talking about trying to become
more of a vocal leader even though he's not really
With Kevin Hart on The Coldest Balls Show. I don't
know if that's a podcast or whatnot, but it's a podcast.
So is this overrated? Overstated? The whole need to be
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a leader standpoint when it comes to a quarterback, because yeah,
I don't think you know, anybody wants somebody who's a
mute or somebody who's a complete a hole. But to me,
it feels like I'll take somebody who's talent talented over
somebody who talks.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, that one's a It's an interesting question. It's an
age old debate. You know, in my estimation, if your
talent is superior to others and people realize it, and
you have the ability to change games and do things,
you you automatically kind of play yourself into being a leader.
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And as Lamar mentioned, you know, he likes to lead
more by example than by saying things. It's it's tough
when you're a quarterback because it's it's a role that
is deemed the leadership role, whether you like it or not.
It's like that's the position where you can't be a
quiet person. And that's just kind of how the the
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job description has been defined. So while while it's like, yeah,
let a guy be who they are naturally, I think
they have to. At the position of quarterback, you have
to learn how to communicate well enough to be enough
of a vocal leader, you know, for the team, for
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your unit. Now, you don't want that to come across
this fake or phony. You definitely want to be organic
and be you know, authentic in the person that you are.
But when the game is on the line, you know,
sometimes it takes hearing from your quarterback to say let's
eff and go. You know, when when you're about to
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start the game. You know, you see how Tom Brady
used to run out and like scream at the fans
and then start head butting his linemen and stuff like that. Like,
you know, Tom Brady isn't a raw rock guy off
of the field. You know, he's not one of those
like loud, boisterous dudes off of the field. He gets
in the character. He got in the characters as a player.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
So I just think that's a it's a hard debate.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
For most most positions, you could say that person doesn't
have to be very vocal, doesn't have to be a
loud leader, doesn't have to.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Be a raw raw guy and bring it up and deliver.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
A Maximus decimus meridius speech to the guys before they
go out there. But that would be I would say
jonas a quarterback that doesn't bring a strong leadership quality
to the table is almost like having a head coach
that doesn't bring to the table a strong leadership quality.
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I mean, you know what I mean, That's what I
would I would say the importance of that voice is
almost just as important as the voice of your head coach.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
But wouldn't you say also that a guy like Lebar Jackson,
he may not have the voice, but he's got the
skill set and the talent that it can override whatever
deficiencies he has in that voice to wear a coach.
All he has is his voice and his leadership. Like you,
there's nothing else you can show to try and get
guys going to where Lamar Jackson could just be like,
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I don't know, pick a game, put that one on
if you want to know how to do this right.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, but but leading by example, like he's only got
what one or two backups at most, Yeah, so that
leading by example watch what I do and see what
I do and stuff like that. Sure that, I mean
that could be helpful to guys that are backing him
up as as a teammate or as a backup to him.
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But when you're talking about the rest of the unit,
they can see how good he is.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
They can they can see.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The things on film that say he's giving a maximum
effort but again I think it still comes back to
and the reason why I think he's that the quarterbacks
position is comparable to the head coaches position is because
it's a it's a position of guidance. You know, it's
a position you have to communicate. You you're the one
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that in a lot of cases, you you're calling the play.
I mean, the way they get plays is a little
different these days. Some people get it from the sideline
and you don't really have to get it from the quarterback.
But the quarterback has to communicate every single play, and
he has to communicate to everybody on that unit in
some shape or form, and he touches the ball every
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single time. His level of importance and his level of
competency competency has to be so much higher than everyone else's,
I mean standard wise, and because they have the most
responsibilities of anybody on the field. So while again while
I say, listen, I played with Jeff George and I
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always use him when these types of conversations come up.
I always use Jeff George as an example. Jeff George
did not speak, He was he was not a talker.
He was not going to give you a speech before
the game that was going to just blow your pants
off and you'd be like, Yeah, let's go get these
mother lovers. And that wasn't Jeff George.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Was he I've always heard that was he arrogant? Or
was that just the outside perception.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
The perception of him was he was arrogant because he
couldn't have been one of the most coolest dudes that
you'd ever meet. He's just I don't even want to
call him like socially awkward, but maybe that's what he's
just quiet.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Because Jay Cutler, Jay Cutler got the Jeff George comparison
all the time.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, but Jeff George didn't make faces like Jay Cutler.
Like Jay Cutler, Jay culor did some things in like
public where you could see it, and his facial expressions
and the nonchalantness like Jeff George had that look like
a nonchalant look, but Jay Cutler's look totally and the
way he talked it totally hit the building that they
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put on him. Fear or not, It totally fit. Jeff
George was just cool. He just didn't talk much. Man,
he just wasn't one to talk. Could spin it out
a cannon sling that thing brouh you'd be like wow,
like look at the like arm talent. There aren't very
many you could sit there and say it had the
same arm talent or comparable arm talent.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
To Jeff George.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I dude, throw that ball brou I think came off
his hand like so so easily.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
But it just it was.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
I've heard er Lacker talk about it when the Bears
traded for Cutler the first time they saw him and practice,
or like Jesus, it just looked different than much like
Jeff George just looked different than everybody else the way
they could YEA.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I just don't think you got to be an over
the top communicator, Like yes, you got to be a
leader because that's what the job description calls for. And
just like with a coach, a coach has to whether
they're a good communicator or not, they have to have
those types of abilities. It's a part of your job. Basically,
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a part of your job description is to be be
a leader.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
Did you ever hear the j Cutler story at the
urinal so he's I don't know, have you ever been
approached by a fan while you're at the urinal of good?
Speaker 1 (11:08):
If you want to if we want to be honest here. Yeah,
it's one of the most heavily it's one of the
most heavily used places to meet a celebrity.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
Well, you can't go anywhere.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It's it's it's amazing how many times I've seen my
friends or even myself get up go to the restroom.
And you'll see people get up and go to the
restroom and it's like some of them can't even hold
their water. They'll get you while you still like you still,
you know, doing what you're doing. Some people like and
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the worst one is when when you go into a
stall like and you can see under it, you can
see the legs, so you try to wait a little longer,
and the legs aren't going anywhere. Then you finally get
up to come wash your hands, and then they're acting
like they're washing their hands and like, hey, hey, how
you doing. Didn't know you were there? Are you about chance?
(12:03):
Such and such man, it's such a great, great pleasure
to meet you. You know, you get it more than
you would ever imagine. That's like the safe place to say, hey,
are you such and such? Or they'll catch you coming
out the door, right if it's a young lady, they'll
catch you coming out of the door.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
I don't even know. Uh, I don't even think we've
talked about this before. But the first time you and
I met, I don't like you were You were giving
me a weird look, and I don't know why. So
for people that don't know this story, so LeVar and I.
I saw LeVar at a Urinal. I pulled up right
next to him and I said, hey, man, nice watch.
And for some reason you took offense to that or
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got weirded out by that, and I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, I don't remember that. I don't remember this story.
I don't remember this story, and I'm not going to
I'm not going to play into this story, all right.
So but so here's the J Cutler Urinal story. Real story. Actually,
this time I tell him that that was not a
real So it's not a real story.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
My watch was right where my watch was, right where
everything was taking place.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Damn, LeVar, is that a Is that a Mavato or
a Rolex? So so J Cutler reported, and I got,
I guess this is I guess this has been confirmed.
So he was at a Urinal taking care of business,
and there was some guy who was a fan of his,
who I guess was also a Vanderbilt alum, and literally
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walked up to J Cutler while he's at the urinal
and starts to say, hey, man, I went to Vanderbilt too,
just wanted to say. And before he could even finish
his comment, Jay Cutler just leaned his head back and went,
don't care. People heard it. The guy got shamed and
just walked out, and people like, oh, J Cutler is
(13:54):
such an a hole. Well, no, that's the exact response
you should get. If a guy's got us back to
and at the urinal, you don't come up and fanboy
out to him. And Jay Cutler just leaned his head
back and said, don't care, finish his business. So, I mean, listen,
he's a he's a different leader too, you know, he
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was a He'd like to approach it the whole of
a process, much different than everybody else. On the subject
of Lamar Jackson, I would say this, however, he decides,
you know whatever his leadership you know, ability is, and
he doesn't like to be as vocal as everybody else.
As he said, that is one guy that I root
for to win a Super Bowl like I will. No, no, no, no,
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no Lamar Jackson long ago, No, no back to Lamar Jackson.
I would I openly root for Lamar Jackson to win
a super Bowl because I love everything about that guy.
I love the way he plays, I love his approach
to all this. He's never been a douche. He's never
you talking about anybody that could be arrogant. Never, never,
one time his career has there ever been an issue
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with that. And sort of the conversation about, well, a
running quarterback like Lamar Jackson can't win a super Bowl
blah blah blah, all of that stuff, you know, especially
in the conference he plays in with all those great quarterbacks.
That is a dude who I hope one day wins
a super Bowl just so he can shut so many
people up. The way he handled his contract, not having
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an agent, all of that. There's been so many people
that have dismissed him this entire time, for whatever their
reasons are. I openly will root for Lamar Jackson to
win a Super Bowl. He's one of my favorite players
in sports.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Nice. Yeah, I think he's a likable guy too.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
You know, I think that you know, if if you
ever had a problem with him, then you generally probably
might have a problem with yourself because he just does.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Not give you a reason ever to dislike him.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You know, never when from the shirt and when he
comes out to the podium, you know that nobody cares
work harder type stuff. Like his approach is so he
reminded his voice, like his mannerisms. He reminds me of
sweetness so much. I remember, like the interviews I used
to see a Walter Payton and how he had a site.
He was so soft spoken and just the way that
(16:12):
he would communicate was very like direct and just straight
to the point. And that's a lot like how Lamar
Jackson is. Like There's one thing that I've always appreciated
about him is he is truly authentically who he is
like the people that he grew up around. He's the
same exact dude, just older, you know, just older, but
(16:35):
hasn't tried to be something. He's not tried to be
somebody is not, Which comes back to the original point
of should he be like him giving himself that criticism,
that's great to challenge himself to want to do that better.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
And I think that that.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Makes it even more of an asset for his teammates
that he would try, because his teammates already know. They
already know that he the things that he will say.
His teammates already know that it's going to be trumped
in spades by the way he plays the game. So
(17:09):
just to get an like he could come out and
try to give a pregame speech Jonas and it be
the worst by standard, like all that isn't like how
such and such would have done it. They would have
said it and it would have been you know, you know,
communicated way better. His teammates are at the worst of
(17:31):
it will be like that might that might have been
the dopest pregame speech that I've ever got in my
entire life, because you know, if you're getting it from him,
that's it's a real moment for him. He's taking himself
out of his own comfort zone to be able to
say and communicate to you how he feels about what
(17:52):
we're about to go do and go do together. So
to me, it's a win win situation here. He can't
mess up being a leader to his team at this
point the way he is.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
He can't.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's not You're not gonna dang, I got it wrong.
I didn't say the right words, because really all he
needs to say in those moments of being a leader
is what it is that he's thinking. He doesn't have
to make anything up. And I think that that's kind
of he's earned that, right. Yea, if he came in,
came in right away trying to do that, maybe you
(18:27):
run the risk of them like a da da dad.
I don't really feel it. But he has proven so
much to that that organization, to those players, to the
community that the few words like people that are you
know people, a few words that say impactful things, people
hang on to those words as if it were the
(18:49):
same amount as one hundred times that many words. So
I think it's a great it's a great observation for him,
it's a it's a great critique, and it's probably a
suit super positive thing for him to say, I want
to tackle the challenge of being able to be a
better leader and communicate better with my teammates moving forward.
(19:09):
It's going to help him to grow. He he'll grow
a little bit more because he's taking himself out of
his comfort zone.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
He is everything that Cleveland thought they were getting into.
Shaun Watson Baltimore gets it with Lamar Jackson and then
some like just the way like there's never been a
whisper of any off field issues. There's like, I mean
nothing like, there's been no talk about him doing anything
that you look at and go, oh, give a side
(19:36):
eye to that. It's just his whole approach, the way
he handles stuff. I mean, you know, he may have
gotten the runs during a game, who knows. There's still
some mystery about that. He seemed to disappear and run
into the locker room and then come back out. That
was a little interesting. But other than that, I can't
think of any time where you look at Lamar Jackson
and go, I don't know, you question that guy's character.
(19:58):
You questioned him as a leader what ever? Just a
great player and no issues off the field. And that's
a guy I mean who.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Have one issue one time off the field, which is
what when he tried to make a fool out of
a seed that was was on the beach, you know,
running one hundred miles per hour and then.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Ah, yeah do ill advised. Yeah, that's gotta be careful
out there, especially these summertime activities. But yeah, I mean
he's he's awesome, So good for Lamar Jackson and probably
do to get a major payday as well too. Again
in the NFL, it is Two Pros and a Cup
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turned over coach after coach after coach. We'll give you
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That'll be yours right here on FSR. Here's some good.
Deshaun Jackson, Delaware State head coach, was on the All Facts,
(22:07):
No Breaks podcast and gave a little credit to the
one and only former teammate of LeVar Arrington, Dion Sanders.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Coach prime man.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I can't stress enough about how he's open doors of
for gods like myself. You know, we talked about Michael Vick,
Bien and Norfolk we played this year, so you know,
just being able to learn from guys like him that's
been at the HBCU when he was at Jackson State,
now he at Colorado, Like you know, this is stepping
stone from the arf, so I want to come there.
They only won two games in the past two years,
you know what I'm saying. So I'm coming into a
situation I can't do nowhere, and I'm a bet on myself.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Ain't no shoe too big for me to feel.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
So with that being said, like I feel like the
foundation is set, you know, it's just on me to
put certain you know around and get to you know,
we got to get it on.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So he uh points out that coach Prime sort of
opened up the doors for a lot of people, and
it does feel that way that his success or or
the popularity of it, all of a sudden, you're starting
to see former players get opportunities that maybe they wouldn't
have gotten before because they realized, hey, this actually might
(23:10):
work if you go this direction.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
All of a sudden, people are paying attention to these
former players that are putting in the work.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
There have been plenty of former players that have transitioned
straight into coaching, none have ever been as high profile
as Dion Sanders.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
And to see someone.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
See someone have the success that that Prime had, I
would assume is very inspiring to a lot of people.
We saw Mike Singletary take on coaching and it didn't
work out very well for him. And it wasn't that
he wasn't a very very amazing football mind. It was
(24:02):
just that I you know, the things that I heard
criticisms wise in terms of what he represented, was he
wanted you to adopt his mentality fully and understanding that
adopting a Hall of Famer, one of the greatest football
players to ever play the game at their position, that's
(24:25):
a hard that's that's a hard deal to feel, right
like you, You're not going to get, even at the
pro level, You're not going to get very many guys
that can raise their level of expectation and their level
of play and their mindset to that of one of
Mike Singletary. And I think if people were being honest,
(24:50):
that might have been why Mike Singletary struggled as a coach,
because he understood the structure, He understood delegating, he understood
a lot about no what the profession consisted of. I
just don't think that his way of being able to
connect with those athletes was it wasn't modified, It wasn't
(25:13):
flexible enough for him to get the results, because the
results were never going to be as good as he
would wanted them.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
To have been.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
And if I'm speaking out a term and he hears this,
I apologize if I'm off this is just what I've heard,
and I'll preface by saying that, or I'll say that
post saying this, because that's just what I've heard.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
And when you get guys, I've been around Prime.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I was around Prime when Shador and Shiloh were still
playing Pee wee league football. And one thing again, I
always say this because people don't realize it is Dion
Sanders was coaching his kids from the time they started football.
He created the Truth League so that he could train
(26:01):
and teach his kids football. When even when Dion Junior
was a baby, Prime used to have Dion Junior dressed
in full equipment when we had full workout days at
training camp. Young Dion Junior would be in full gear, redskins, gear, helmet,
(26:24):
pad's uniform and he would go through stretches with us,
he went through individual drills, and he was a baby.
He was like a little he was like he couldn't
have been no more than seven eight years old, and
and he had his kid with him doing the doing
the stretches, doing the individual drills in the pros as
(26:48):
a baby. So he has invested in his coaching and
teaching and mentoring of his kids since they were little.
He has been a coach at the youth level, he
has been a coach at the high school level, and
now a coach at the college level. So this is
something that Dion Sanders has been building for years. People
(27:10):
may not people think that Dion, Oh, it's so easy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
It's so easy.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
The one thing about Dion is his work ethic is crazy.
It is crazy. And if you don't realize all he's
put in. He built his coaching staff through the years.
Jonas the guys that coach with him, the vast majority
of the majority of those guys have been with him
(27:34):
for a very very long time. I say all this
to say I think it's great that Dion has created
this wave and created this light that has been shed
on HBCUs for them to go there, for guys like
a Deshaun Deshaun Deshaun Jackson and guys like Mike Vick.
(27:56):
Eddie George did it quietly. Eddie George is having Eddie.
I think he's on the path the going.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
To coach Ohio State. I really do. But that's a
whole other conversation I.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Were talking about that. He I mean, he interviewed for
the Bears job this.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Past he is doing one hell of a job and
it's led to him getting Bowling green Bowling green Lands
in Ohio. Ohio is well, it's Ohio, and Eddie George
is a Heisman Trophy winner for Ohio State, and well,
Ryan Day just won a national title. It'd be blasphemous
(28:32):
and crazy to say he's going to get that job.
But think about if Eddie George continues to have the
success that he's having and Ryan Day has one loss
or two loss a year, they might be talking about
get rid of him. He's positioning himself very nicely, and
these other guys are having the opportunity to position themselves
very nicely. The caution the caution is don't underestimate the
(28:59):
amount of work, in the amount of time that Dion
Sanders has put and invested in being able to understand
these kids, understand coaching, understand the values.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And the level of what it takes to be able
to run.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
A successful organization, a successful team, a successful program.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
And all he.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Has done is taken the model that he's built through
the years and has continuously implemented it. Jackson State implemented it,
Colorado implemented it. He has not done anything differently than
what he's done all along.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
It's just that.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
People weren't paying attention to it. Even with Dion Jr.
Doing the content and all those things. They've been doing
that since before Jackson State. He's been doing content like this.
They've been doing this content for a long time. So
that's why it was weird to me when people were
getting offended by the way he was doing things. They
had already been doing this. They had a TV show,
(29:57):
The Truth League was on the TV show. It was
showing all the different things that they were doing. It
started there. So my caution too and just air on
the side of understanding that every single one of these
guys is not going to play out like Deion Sanders.
In fact, you can't sit there and expect that it's
going to happen because I don't know what the coaching
(30:19):
backgrounds of these guys are. I know I know Deshaun
Watson and I know Michael Vick know the game very
very well, can dissect the game, can look at the game,
but can they game plan?
Speaker 3 (30:30):
How are their coaches?
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I know they got star studared coaches like Clinton Ports
and guys like that are on the coaching staffs that
these guys had, but are they really genuinely you know,
are they experienced enough to take on the level of
coaching that they've been a lot at the opportunity to
(30:52):
be able to do.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
We're going to find out.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Well, it's like the Sean McVay stuff when Sean McVay
worked with the RAMS, because I remember being out here
and the reporting on Sean mcvay's interview with the RAMS
was they brought him in. He was with Washington, he
was an assistant there. They bring him in the interview,
they were so blown away. They brought him back for
a second interview, and then they hired him. That worked
(31:14):
because he revived Jared Goff's career. He got Jared Goff
on track and the rest is history. And then all
of a sudden it became whoever was buddies with Sean
McVay was going to get a job like that became
the new trend, the new popular move. But not all
of them worked. Not all of them worked like Sean
mcvay's worked. He's won a super Bowl, so you know,
Matt Lafleur things like like, there's been some success. So yeah,
(31:39):
to your point, they're not all going to work out
like Dion, but much like Sean McVay, you needed somebody
to kick in the door to get people to think
differently about hiring, and Dion's at least done that. And
for anybody that wonders whether or not Dion's been a
success because they haven't won a national title, blah whatever.
If it wasn't a success and it hasn't work to
(32:00):
at least some degree, then why are so many other
schools all of a sudden now doing similar things like
hiring a Deshaun Jackson, Like giving these guys opportunities because
they realize, hey, maybe, unlike a Mike Singletary back in
the day, maybe this is the path to be able
to connect with younger athletes, especially in today's nil recruiting world.
(32:23):
You've got to bring in somebody different than your typical
coach from back in the day. And at least Dean
opened the door for that.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Hey man, players players over x'es and o's. So one
thing I will say about those two names that you
will not debate is their influence.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
People out here love DeShawn.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Jackson's he played at Long Beach Poly, He's from California,
Southern cal People love him. He crushed it as as
a Philadelphia Eagle. People love him as a Philadelphia Eagle.
He did well as a Washington riskin People love him
in Washington, DC. And we don't even have to go there.
(33:09):
About Mike Vick, He's an iconic figure and for all
the people that hate him for his transgressions, there are
a lot of people that love him even more because
of the comeback story that was everything that he went through.
The value of what they bring to the table is
their celebrity and their influence. They will be able to
(33:31):
get some of the best football players in the country
because the transfer portal and the NIL has totally changed
the college space. So you're going to get some really,
really fine football players that get lost in all of this.
And some of the best football players don't make it
to the next level because for one reason or another
they're just not exposed enough. These types of situations and
(33:55):
opportunity allow for a player to find his way to
to exposure. I'm gonna tell you what's gonna happen right now.
Dion is going to be a support to a Michael Vick,
to a Deshaun Jackson. Other coaches are going to be
a tremendous support because of their love and admiration and
respect for those.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Two guys in particular, and they are.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Going to feed athletes like, we can't get this kid
this year, but if you could get a hold of him,
get him and we'll come get him off of you
in a couple of years. They are going to become
the factories for these larger universities until they have enough
success to go transition to a larger university.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Whatever the hell, what the hell happened with Ed Reid?
Remember he was at Bethune Cookman and the deal fell through.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
It just never it just never came back, never came
back around. I mean, he was so throwed off he
would's that has upset him so bad that I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:53):
He's he walked away.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
He's the offensive coordinator at a high school in the
Atlanta area. From I understand, that's the last that I
had heard. But that's a guy who you would look
at and go talk to anybody about does he have
a mind for the game? Does he is? He is
that guy a leader? As we talk about you know,
Lamar Jackson and the rate Ed Reid feels like that's
(35:16):
a name that you would look at and want to hire.
But maybe he was so disenchanted by the.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Propop up though he'll pop up, he'll pop back up.
If he really wants to do it, he'll pop and
that man, he's a brilliant football mind. Yeah, And it's
the same thing like he's a relatable guy. He's been
in the community. He's built very very deep roots into
in the community with his his foundational work and different
things like that. He's got a great team of people
(35:41):
around him. Again, I think it's the guys that bring
an infrastructure to the table that are going to be
the ones that have success. If you don't have an infrastructure,
I don't care how good your influence is on the kids,
it's gonna fall flat when you play against a real
program that has those elements in play. Again, like I said,
we're going to find out what types of coaches these
(36:01):
guys are and give them a little grace, give them
opportunity to be able to figure it out as well.
I think that it'll be a good learning situation for
anybody who's thinking about getting into coaching.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
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Speaker 3 (37:31):
Well?
Speaker 8 (37:31):
As we do each and every Wednesday, we start with
the good and I got some goods for you. That's
us being able to sleep in a little bit longer
for the next few days. We get to fulfill in
for mister Colin Coward tomorrow, Dan Patrick on Friday. That
means we get to a few extra hours of sleep
before we get to celebrate the Fourth of July weekend.
Have some some brought some burgers and all that good stuff.
(37:52):
That's my good for the week.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
All right, that's a beautiful thing. Man.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm gonna say my bad for the week since
I'm gonna take bad even if I didn't get it,
even though I know I got it because it.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
Looked at it deliver those beds.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
The bad is is that, well, it's going to be
a special edition of Black and Drack on those two
shows versus it being two Pros and a cup of Joe.
But it's okay, you know, it's okay because Black and
Drack try to deliver and I think we do a
pretty pretty solid job of delivering while the star is
(38:24):
out and getting his fingernails and his toe nails shined
and clipped and manicured and eyebrows and hair and all
that stuff. You know, he's got to stay looking good.
Oh yeah, going into the season. So hell yeah, that's
the bad though. It's not the three of us. It's
just the two amigos, not the three amigos.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Alright, Lee, who's got the ugly?
Speaker 3 (38:43):
And from bad to worse? Uh?
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Jonas was ugly, all right, So here's the ugly all right.
You can tell people all you want. You can warn them,
you can show them video highlights, you can tell them
about all the dangers. You can give them all the intel,
all the guidance that you could possibly come up with
to try and steer them in the safe direction. When
(39:06):
it comes to fourth July, and I mark my words,
somebody somewhere listening to this is going to lose a finger,
going to lose a hand. Something terrible is going to happen,
because no matter how much info and advice you give people,
somebody does something stupid. It's like that dude and his
(39:27):
buddy who were in main years ago, and they thought
it would be a good idea. Of those giant open
field they had mortar bombs and one of these guys
had ripped like an eighteen pack and decided to set
it on his head when he lit it. How do
you think that worked out?
Speaker 3 (39:42):
Oh it blew.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yeah, he shrunk six inches. So like the idea of
people not understanding the dangers of what's out there. Look,
there's it's why when on movie sets you have to
pass all these safety measures. It's why they're in controlled environments.
You are not a pyro expert. Try and stay safe,
(40:06):
watch out for kids, do things the right way. And
even in saying all that, the ugly will occur and
somebody's gonna get blown up happens every year no matter what. Well,
it's because they want to never fails. To all the
people out there.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I'll just add this to Jonas, don't go where the
guid that's going to get blown up goes.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Just watch, just watch and film it. We want to
see it.
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