September 19, 2025 • 39 mins
Jonas & LaVar discuss Antonio Pierce’s comments about drama & conflict of interest revolving Tom Brady being in the Raiders coaching booth & the guys discuss why the tush push is on it’s way out.
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way on over to another conversation that apparently involving somebody
else who's got a rich history in the AFC East.
Apparently this is a story that's not going away anytime soon.
And that's something is the Tom Brady conflict of interest
speculation from people around the NFL, and somebody else has
(04:17):
weighed in on the discussion, and that's somebody is Antonio
Pierce your guy. AP former Raiders head coach was talking
with Adam Shine on Serious XM about the Tom Brady
situation and had this to say, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I would be uncomfortable if there's an other way around
to be honest with me, because you're not dealing with
this a normal person. Tom Brady is the elite of elite,
one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players
in the game. He played against the honesty student of
the game. It's not far for him to watch a
few things on a Friday practice or hear things in
a production meets and be like yeah and have kid bits.
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And he'd be foolish enough to think that he does
not want to share that with the radios, because we
had those conversations about certain things, right, and he was
very informative about things that he knew or he's stilt
and that's why you bringing a guy like Tom Brady
is the organization to be a minority owner because he
gives you those aspects and different insights because some people
can't give you. So how I would take it, I
would be I would be nervous. I think I'll be
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tight lift, which I think most most head coaches are
when they go in production meetings, they watch it. I
think on Friday, if he happens to be there on
a Friday practice, you might want to limit some things.
I just think that's a fact that I think everybody
gonna give you the political answers and say, oh, it's
no big deal. I'm calling BS on that.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
So that was Antonio Pierce on the Tom Brady situation.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I was on the phone with him yesterday. We had
a good conversation. Yeah, and this came up, and I
thought it was some interesting perspective. And I mean he's right.
I mean I feel like we kind of already touched
on it. It's just really stating the obvious and just
continue to state the obvious.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He can pick up.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean, anybody who's been a consonant pro, been around
the game and is meticulous about what they're doing would
be able to pick up on certain things being in
the environment of their opponent.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And so.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I heard somebody say, like things were so bad at
one point in time that security was sweeping the hotel
for all kinds of different things to make sure that
the rooms that they were staying in were clean. To
make sure the meeting rooms that they were staying in
were clean, to make sure where they were eating was clean.
(06:36):
All the Patriots when Brady was there. I mean, I
ain't gonna say nothing and specific. I'm just saying, yes,
those things were taking place where people were sweeping the
hotel making sure that there weren't things that were like
just speaking, you know, like randomly just your conversation is
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going into somebody's theirs.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That is correct.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So after Spygate there was all sorts of paranoia.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, So and when you're that good, the question always
is going to pop up, how are you that good?
That much better for so long? How are you how
are you able to sustain that for so long? There
are cheat codes, There are one hundred percent real life
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cheat codes, and it's just a matter of how deep
and how far are you willing to go to uncover
them and and have them in your possession. I think
I think it's very And listen, Ap played against you know,
he was the captain of that team that beat the
first Tom Brady, the Giants that beat Tom Brady and
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the Patriots one percent. He's looking at it from the
the understanding and the knowledge of what they felt when
they were going against the Patriots. So when you think
about the respect that you would have to have for first,
first of all, we all know how good he is.
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We know what he's accomplished to hear someone of AP's.
You know his background and his knowledge. He's one of
the most football intelligent dudes I've ever known in my
entire life. And for him to sit there and talk
about how cerebral and how intelligent Tom Brady is, he
wouldn't be in the situations he's in now. He wouldn't
be working for Fox, he wouldn't be the minority owner
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of the Las Vegas Raiders. He just would not be
in the positions that he's in right now. If he
wasn't a super, super uberly intelligent man, he just wouldn't.
And so the fact that he is should call call
for concern. I mean, the man is a minority owner
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of a team that is within the league of which
he's covering. I mean, didn't we have a situation like
that with Magic? Was it Magic calling games and the
owner and something to that effect. I feel like that
took place. He became an owner, but he was still
calling games. May I could he's done just about everything
(09:20):
he does. He has done everything anyway, I digress, but
I just think for AP to have a strong opinion
on it, first of all, you probably should listen because
he's you know, he would know if anybody would know,
he would know. And secondly, it makes for interesting conversation
because again it comes back to the question of why
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was this able to happen, Why is it able to
why are you continuing on with it? I think that's
the biggest question. Somebody needed to kind of say, Nope,
we can't do that. Yeah, And I don't know which
side it is, but somebody should have been like, heay,
look here, man, we're gonna grant you the opportunity to
get this minority stake ownership, but you do know you
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gotta let the booth go or the booth has got
to say to protect the integrity of what we do.
You know, I know you want to be an owner
over here, but can't you wait a little while longer?
Can't you just run this deal first before you purchase
that team, like somebody. The more I'm continuing to hear
about it, cause he's like one thing that people aren't
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taking into consideration, Like, Okay, he goes out and he
watches a practice. What if somebody that's like, what if
your injury report doesn't match match up? You know, you
got a guy like he's probable or you know, game
time decision stuff like that. And Tom Brady comes in
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and this is a team that the Raiders are going
to play in like a.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Week or two or something to that effect. That could
play out, and.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He sees the dude, and the dude it's like, yeah,
he ain't gonna be back in two weeks. Dude, ain't
going to be back in three weeks. Ain't no way,
not the way he's moving. Like stuff like just little
things that you can see you can take in inteil
with your own two eyes in person. It just seems
it just seems to be a conversation that you know,
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what if you caught somebody arguing, you know, dudes are fighting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
What if you saw Tua.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And and Tyreek Hill and they're like they had to
break them up or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know, anything could play out, and.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Those things that play out behind closed doors, you'd like
to try to keep them behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Anything could play out.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
What Antonio Pierce said, He's probably right, Yeah, I would
be concerned.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That would be nervous.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The concerns for people around the NFL. You're probably right,
those are warranted. You know, maybe you should be concerned
or you you you know, there's the possibility of all
this happening. Also, tough balls, it's too late. You already,
you already let it go down the road. It's already
off the Sorry, it's too late. You can't go back now,
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and then say, oh, well wait a second. Upon further review,
this isn't the greatest idea in the world. Like, this
is my problem with people that complain about gambling being
involved in sports now and then these issues popping up
of these kids in college or NFL players wagering on games,
Calvin Ridley and his seven leg parlay.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
This is my problem with it all.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You didn't think that if you involved that in your
sport you might have some issues. You didn't realize in
the long run, Hey, maybe there'll be some stuff that's
gonna pop up that we're gonna have to address. And
now when people come back and say, oh, Michael, well,
why is gambling involved in sports anyways? I mean, why
are they involved anyways? If this stuff's gonna pop up Okay, well,
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those are all fair conversations that should have happened years
ago or in this case, months ago with Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
All of this is fair.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
The paranoia everybody wondering whether it's to the level that
it's gonna happen, or whether Tom Brady, you know, coaches
being tight lift and how much information he could got
there is the potential of it happening, which should have
been the thought from the get go.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Now, after the fact, it's too late.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He's already there, he's already calling games, he's already in
the booth, he already has access. They've relaxed the restrictions
on it that we talked about earlier this week. You
can't go back now and then say, well, this is
a terrible idea. Dude, you're already on the roller coaster
going down the tracks. God, I don't think I want
to be on here anymore. Tough balls, you're already buckled
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up if you're gonna throw up aim at somebody you
don't like. I don't think this whole outrage that everybody's talking,
but it's a bad look for the league, and it's well, yeah, like,
for sure, why didn't you speak up a year and
a half ago and whether out what Albert Breer said yesterday,
which is what you know, I thought was kind of interesting.
(14:01):
Albert Prier basically said, look, man, ESPN wanted in the
rotation for the Super Bowl, which is why they went
out and got Troy Aikman and Joe Buck because because
the NFL told the ESPN the production you're putting together
isn't big enough for the super Bowl. You need to
get bigger stars. And Fox was like, okay, how's Tom Brady?
(14:27):
I mean, like, okay, it's like the old uh, the
old Roddy Piper quote where he said, don't throw rocks
at a guy who's got a machine gun. Fox is like, okay, interesting,
We're gonna go ahead and get ourselves a machine gun
and it's gonna be Tom Brady. And all of this
conversation afterwards is irrelevant now because he's already in the building.
He's already there. You somebody should have stepped up if
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they had concerns back in the day. And there were
people that were talking about it and said, hey, we
don't think this is a good idea, Like we just
we just don't think it's a good idea. And so
to now afterwards, it's peel.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like God, the wolf in the henhouse, huh, wolf, wolf
in the sheep, in the passion.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
All of its and everybody knows this.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You've been around football as long as anybody.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, are coaches not paranoid? Oh crazy people, So.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Of course they're going to be paranoid about this, of course,
But now afterwards, I was like, God, this, who would
have thunk it? Coaches are worried about whether or not
Tom Brady's giving information to the team that he owns
when he's calling games.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, yeah, that's how this works.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So I just I don't know, man, I feel like
there's a lot of people that want to try and
do work that they should have now that they should
have done years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's what it seems like to me. I still think
it's a little overstated, though. I mean, at the end
of the day, you got Jimmy's and Joe's x'es and O's. Yeah,
the Raiders are terrible. Okay, what are we talking? I mean, now,
I will say this, if he's using that influence and
you start seeing because we heard about that taking place
(16:01):
this past offseason, didn't necessarily work out the way that
he had hoped for when we were looking at what
was it Matthew Stafford a couple other guys. I think
that he had bumped They were bumped into. They bumped into,
so it wasn't tampering. They just happened to be at
the same ski lodge or something like that in like
Montana or Wyoming or something like that. Yeah, you know,
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just to you know how the elites just kind of
hang out in the same places. But that would be
what I would be if you're asking me if I
were a coach and I'm like, huh, or even if
I am a GM or I am a owner of
a franchise. All of the x's and o's aside, the
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biggest concern I would have is the Tom Brady aura,
the Tom Brady impact and effect.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He comes walking in and it's like right, and he
knows it too, and he knows it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So you got all these dudes, their eyes is popping
out their heads, like.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yo, there's Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I remember the first time I saw Lawrence Taylor walk
up bro I was at the Pro Bowl and I
was like, that can't.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Be this just.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
This just can't be. Look, he's getting closer on everything.
I believe on the inside of me, I believe this
is Lawrence Taylor that's walking towards me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's no way.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, he's getting closer, and he looks more and more
like Lawrence. It's Lawrence Taylor. Now think about this coincidentally?
Maybe I don't know. I don't know if my mind
knew it or whatever. I finished out my career as
a New York giant. I'm just saying the influence and
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the impact that heroes have on people, and Tom Brady
is a hero to a lot of dudes.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That would be what.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Makes me nervous, because now I gotta deal with if
this dude is saying, I'm Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Oh yeah, this is Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Come here and play for Let's make the Raiders great
again in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh you don't think there were people paranoid that Dion
took the Colorado job. Come on based on recruiting. He
could walk into any kid's house and be like, I'm
Deon San and.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He gets them yes, and he's getting them yeah, and
he and he's not going into houses.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He don't even have to leave to go on the road.
He doesn't go into the houses.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He says, come to Dion's house, Come be a primetime player.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm going, yeah, no, that.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
The hero worshiping that I that I totally see, I
totally see. I also look, you know there there is
there is a reality to it that, like you know,
he and and maybe they were using him as leverage
and Ben Johnson had already picked his spot, but there
was the thought that Ben Johnson was going to be
their head coach. That was that Tom Brady and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And so like you know, some of this stuff ultimately
doesn't work out, but I look at it and I go, yeah,
all of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
All of it.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
His influence, his impact, the role he would play sometimes,
all of it makes sense. Give it some time to
me knowing knowing him. I don't know him in this
part of life, but know him from the earlier days.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And the dude is strategically sound. So knowing that, like, Okay,
you're looking here and this is the obvious. You're not
going to get that from me, but y'all going to
talk about it. That is the the that is the diversion.
It's a diverting of the energy. We're talking about competitive
edges and stuff like this. It's his influence.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
He's got so many business ventures going on that people
don't eat, like don't even and just like little nooks
and crannies, like little little places where he opened up
a sports card shop right next to Wrigley Field in Chicago,
Like what does he have to do with Chicago? Nothing
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until now, Like he's got you know, the F one stuff,
like all of these little businesses, these little opportunities, the
you know, the the No Bowl, like all of that
stuff like his he has planted seeds everywhere that are
going to start to sprout at some point and it
might turn into the Raiders being a dynasty. And I
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think it's gonna be hilarious.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
That's when.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But that's when this conversation is going to be. Wow, Like, man,
he really did turn the Raiders around.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
That's that said.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
The concern people have about this weekend's game he's calling
the Cowboys and Bears, and the Raiders are playing the
Bears next week.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I got news for you.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Tom Brady could take a nap during that game and
the Raiders could still beat the Bears.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, yeah, but the Bears could beat the Raiders with
Tom Brady taking What are we talking about you.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Bum right, he's gonna say that it's bum fight, remember
bum fights one A couple of hobos thrown down next.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
To it, next to a.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Hey, that's my shopping cart. No it's mine. No, actually
it's ours. And the guy from Walmart comes out and
takes it back.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
It's just great, all right.
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the tush push and what went into what happened to
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the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday. I do find it
funny that it is the Chiefs that it happened to
and that's what caused all the outrage.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But according to.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Sources around the NFL, the NFL said the Eagles should
have been flagged for at least one false start when
they used the tush push against the against the Kansas
City Chiefs and insisted officials this week to call the
play quote unquote tight going forward. According to ESPN, the
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message from the league, which was first reported by The
Washington Post and later confirmed by ESPN, came in its
training tape to officials, which was distributed to all thirty
two teams on Wednesday. The NFL showed the Eagles running
the quarterback sneak on third and short late in the
fourth quarter for a first down in an eventual twenty
to seventeen winning Kansas City. So we're going to be
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calling this play tight moving forward. So now, the entire
focus of the offseason was on this play, and now
it's here, We're two weeks into the season, and now
this is the entire focus again outside of Tom Brady's
you know, being in the booth and whether or not he.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Gets Chip Kelly and or Intel.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now it's the edict from the league call this play
tight moving forward. So this is the point of emphasis,
if you will, that the officials come come up with
every single year. And I'm telling you, enjoy the Toush
push while you got it. This son of a bitch
is gone in the off season, gone man up and
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vanished like a fart in the wind. They're already placing
it out there. They're planting the seeds, if you will,
to try and get rid of this play. They weren't
able to get it done last year in the off season.
I think this is the last year of the Toush push.
They're going to look into this again in the off season.
They're going to cite issues like this, and this play
will be out next year.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's the way I see it. I don't see anything
new that makes the conversation that critical. I really don't.
I believe the Tush push is. It's a phenomenon and
(26:09):
it's in its own right because it's created so much
controversy and conversation around it.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
But I feel like if if that were the case
what you're.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Speaking of, if that were going to be the case,
that was going to happen this year, this offseason. My
my problem with the tush push is is that again
it's a bigger there's a bigger conversation here, which is
the idea of allowing guys to be aided and pushed
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like it literally is a toush push. You see it,
Dude get his hands on the tush of Jalen Hurts
and gives him that extra momentum and force and torque
to be able to get through the line of scrimmage
and get those extra yards. That's not football. That is
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not what football is supposed to be. You're not supposed
to aid a ball carrier. You should not be able
to aid push them. You should not be able to
be carry them, and you should not see be able
to pull them. Indeed, it should be none of the
above that you are allowed to do.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
They're not luggage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I mean, they be damp bodies on the field, they
be knocked out. Dudes just be dragging them for like
five six more yards. Then they let them down on
the ground and they come scoop them up off the field.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Put the next dude in. Man, that shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Be to me, the bigger issue is when did we
allow pushing, pulling and and and like you know put like.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Pushing, pulling, what else? What was the picking up and
carry and carrying?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I don't understand when that became something that you're
allowed to do.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And that was their out this offseason. That's what they said,
We're going to get rid of that entire act altogether.
So that way, it didn't feel like the Eagles were
being quote unquote targeted or that the Eagles were you know,
we're targeting Philly because they've got this play that nobody
can stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just just stop the pushing, pooling and carrying. But they're
playing the Rams this weekend. Sean McVay already was quoted
this week is saying, yeah, we're going to talk to
the league about you know, the false starts.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Like it just feels like, all right, that was a
big game last week.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It was a discussion.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Sean McVay has already said, we've got concerns and we're
at week three. The NFL's now instructed their officials you
need to be I just think that we're going to
get to the point to where they're going to come
up with enough votes. They're going to come up with
enough teams, as opposed to the last year where Jeffrey
Lorie just stood up and he made some reference like
(29:03):
something that was insulting to the women that were in
the room or something along those lines, and somehow they
didn't make the change. I just think they're gonna look
at it this offseason and be like, hey man, this
is way too much dialogue and conversation for a play.
We're just gonna go ahead. We're gonna make sweeping changes
on the carrying the ball carrier and what you're allowed
(29:24):
to do with pushing a guy over the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's the key, because you do away with the touch
push in a way, because quarterback keepers have always existed,
and you shouldn't do away with a quarterback keeper short
yardage play. You want to get up under center and
you want to try to QB keep it, that's fine.
I don't have any problem with that, but you gotta
do away with the pushing, pooling and carrying.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I just to me again, you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Think about plays where guy's making a play down the field,
he's running, and then the defenders get a hold of them.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
What do you usually see happen. You see linemen running
to the ball, and I mean they be hauling ass
to get to the ball, and they start.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Hitting their own men, pulling their own men, hitting people
around the pal because that's what they're taught to do.
Because the play's not over, you could actually go hit somebody,
knock them off, or push your own player, hit your
own player pushing forward like three four more yards. That's
to me where the danger comes into play is the
(30:31):
idea that these big mother efforts think that it's okay
to run down field and do that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's not safe. That's not safety.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's not And I feel like if you take away
the idea of assisting ball carriers, you won't have guys
hauling ass downfield doing who knows what at the end
of the play where the ball carrier is. That's dangerous.
You don't need to have guys being a and assisted
(31:01):
in running the ball. Once your forward progress has stopped,
the play's dead.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's dead.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There is no wait and see if they can push
him and overpower people by pushing him through the line
of scrimmage or pulling him through. That doesn't make sense.
That's not what football is. It's not what football is.
It's a game of skill, it's a game of technique,
and it's not a game that's considered to be one
of those ones where you're you're using aiding such as that,
(31:35):
you're not using pushing, you're not using pulling, you're not
using carrying.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
You're not doing those things. And I find it to
be it's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Odd that it doesn't get called out when it happens,
and you'll hear the commentators, Oh my gosh, look at
the legs on that man. Look at the leg drive
that he has. Dude, you're clearly seeing two three linemen
leg drive. I've been while holding the dude and pushing him.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Through defenders that are there, like it's that sort of
fight that separates him from other players. I was look
at the determination he wouldn't be denied, Like what it's like,
my dude is knocked out, he ain't even there. It's
like my son, they hold him and the ball I took.
I took my son out.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
We were playing, we're playing football at the park, and
then he wanted to do kicks and he calls him downkicks.
I want to do downkicks, and he couldn't get the
ball to go in the air like a real field goal,
and he kept trying, but he just kept like you know,
warm burning on the grass, like he couldn't get it
in the air. And so finally on the last time,
I timed it just right to where when he went
(32:44):
to kick and I was holding the ball, I flicked
it at the same time and it looked like an
actual field goal.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And he looked at me and said, Papa, Papa.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I made it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I made I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I couldn't re enact that if I tried, And I
tried the next time around, he goes, how.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Come it's not going in the air, Like I don't know, Bud.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
And so when I was so I did It's like,
so I did it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I did it again.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
And it was so blatant that I was the one
who was guiding the football in the air like the
ballcarriers being guided like a lineman.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
That he stopped and he looked at me and said,
why did you do that? And I think it.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Occurred to him that he'd been living a lie for
like two days. Like you've got ball carriers that have
been living a lie thinking, oh my god, it was
my leg drive.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No it wasn't. You aren't even on the ground.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Alignman carried you over the indze, Like, oh my god,
Tyland hurts.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He squatched eight hundred pound bron What about to do?
What about behind him pushing?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I just my favorite though, is that Andy Reid won't
let Patrick Mahomes run quarterback sneaks because he had that
freak injury on a Thursday night game where he dislocated
his kneecap because somebody he came around the side and
hit his knees. So he's like, we will not let
him do quarterback sneaks. So they have like one of
the one of their other tight ends do the toush push.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I mean, and why not?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Okay, I mean, why not get like a straight up
like Aaron Donald Warren sap type dude. What's the dude
in Detroit? I never can remember his name? What's his name?
All the offensive tackle sel Yeah, give them the ball,
put all linemen in front, put maybe one tight end
(34:34):
behind just in case he worre to fumble like a
real big package.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And and and toush push. Yeah, why not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Now now I would say this, I would say this,
there's the possibility that you could get four five six
yards off of doing that. So now you know what
I'm doing. I'm getting rid of receivers, getting rid of
running backs unless that running is like a Mike oldstot.
(35:02):
And I'm loading up on all offensive linemen and we're
going to platoon our offensive linemen in there, and we're
going to touch push you to death. If you don't
stop it, we're gonna keep touch pushing you four yards,
four yards, four yards, three yards with fat ass.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Seven yards, which all fat ass is.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Next group in four yards, four yards, next group in
four yards, four yards.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
While they're doing it, while they're going to say, I'm
really gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I'm really gonna do it, yea, at some point the
defense is going to be like, man, f this, I mean,
think about it.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You're gonna get three to four yards if you go
crazy heavy with a dude that has that type of
weight and there's more surface space for people behind them.
So you get one big dog behind him that's got
great leg drive, you're driving him, he's hitting a hole.
You're gonna drive at least it's like pushing a sled,
(36:08):
a weighted sled. Them dudes on the other side, it's
like pushing a weighted sled. And you know what, you're
gonna get three to four yards even if you get
three yards on one of them plays, or say you
get two yards, say you get one yard, then you
just send your regular offense back up in there.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm gonna have me two.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Receivers on on just wear them down or punt wear
them down in punt.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
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Speaker 3 (38:24):
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Speaker 4 (38:24):
I was thinking about this with Carson Wentz starting in
place at JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, and I think you
made the point they're probably going to be a better team,
probably better man. And that's not like a knock on
JJ McCarthy. He's just not there yet.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean we've seen experience, and so if Wentz isn't
totally ruined by now, they're going to be a better team.
If he got the yips or anything like that, don't
count on.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It, okay, because I mean, let's be honest, man, JJ McCarthy.
In the first game, outside of that fourth quarter meltdown
by the Bears, he wasn't good. Like it didn't look good,
and it didn't look good against Atlanta last week, like
Atlanta you know, won that game going away and probably
could have won it buy more. But so I look
at it, I go, you know, Kevin O'Connell, like you know,
(39:13):
he's you know, talking up Carson Wentz and what Carson
Wentz can do. By the way, Carson Wentz is starting
his starting a game for a different team six years
in a row now, so six years in a row
he started a game for a different team.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
If he doesn't have the yips, with all that talent
that they got on that team, man, he should be good.
All you got to do is just protect the ball,
that's all. Don't don't go get outside of yourself. Just
get Justin Jefferson the ball. Protect yourself, Get Aaron Jones
the ball.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You'll be good. Keep it simple. So the Viking's got
a shot. Be on some rock party type stuff, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They got Jake Browning, how about it and his rocket
ship this weekend.
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way on over to another conversation that apparently involving somebody
else who's got a rich history in the AFC East.
Apparently this is a story that's not going away anytime soon.
And that's something is the Tom Brady conflict of interest
speculation from people around the NFL, and somebody else has
(04:17):
weighed in on the discussion, and that's somebody is Antonio
Pierce your guy. AP former Raiders head coach was talking
with Adam Shine on Serious XM about the Tom Brady
situation and had this to say, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I would be uncomfortable if there's an other way around
to be honest with me, because you're not dealing with
this a normal person. Tom Brady is the elite of elite,
one of the greatest quarterbacks, one of the greatest players
in the game. He played against the honesty student of
the game. It's not far for him to watch a
few things on a Friday practice or hear things in
a production meets and be like yeah and have kid bits.
(04:52):
And he'd be foolish enough to think that he does
not want to share that with the radios, because we
had those conversations about certain things, right, and he was
very informative about things that he knew or he's stilt
and that's why you bringing a guy like Tom Brady
is the organization to be a minority owner because he
gives you those aspects and different insights because some people
can't give you. So how I would take it, I
would be I would be nervous. I think I'll be
(05:14):
tight lift, which I think most most head coaches are
when they go in production meetings, they watch it. I
think on Friday, if he happens to be there on
a Friday practice, you might want to limit some things.
I just think that's a fact that I think everybody
gonna give you the political answers and say, oh, it's
no big deal. I'm calling BS on that.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
So that was Antonio Pierce on the Tom Brady situation.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I was on the phone with him yesterday. We had
a good conversation. Yeah, and this came up, and I
thought it was some interesting perspective. And I mean he's right.
I mean I feel like we kind of already touched
on it. It's just really stating the obvious and just
continue to state the obvious.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
He can pick up.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I mean, anybody who's been a consonant pro, been around
the game and is meticulous about what they're doing would
be able to pick up on certain things being in
the environment of their opponent.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
And so.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I heard somebody say, like things were so bad at
one point in time that security was sweeping the hotel
for all kinds of different things to make sure that
the rooms that they were staying in were clean. To
make sure the meeting rooms that they were staying in
were clean, to make sure where they were eating was clean.
(06:36):
All the Patriots when Brady was there. I mean, I
ain't gonna say nothing and specific. I'm just saying, yes,
those things were taking place where people were sweeping the
hotel making sure that there weren't things that were like
just speaking, you know, like randomly just your conversation is
(06:59):
going into somebody's theirs.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
That is correct.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
So after Spygate there was all sorts of paranoia.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, So and when you're that good, the question always
is going to pop up, how are you that good?
That much better for so long? How are you how
are you able to sustain that for so long? There
are cheat codes, There are one hundred percent real life
(07:27):
cheat codes, and it's just a matter of how deep
and how far are you willing to go to uncover
them and and have them in your possession. I think
I think it's very And listen, Ap played against you know,
he was the captain of that team that beat the
first Tom Brady, the Giants that beat Tom Brady and
(07:49):
the Patriots one percent. He's looking at it from the
the understanding and the knowledge of what they felt when
they were going against the Patriots. So when you think
about the respect that you would have to have for first,
first of all, we all know how good he is.
(08:11):
We know what he's accomplished to hear someone of AP's.
You know his background and his knowledge. He's one of
the most football intelligent dudes I've ever known in my
entire life. And for him to sit there and talk
about how cerebral and how intelligent Tom Brady is, he
wouldn't be in the situations he's in now. He wouldn't
be working for Fox, he wouldn't be the minority owner
(08:35):
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He just would not be
in the positions that he's in right now. If he
wasn't a super, super uberly intelligent man, he just wouldn't.
And so the fact that he is should call call
for concern. I mean, the man is a minority owner
(08:58):
of a team that is within the league of which
he's covering. I mean, didn't we have a situation like
that with Magic? Was it Magic calling games and the
owner and something to that effect. I feel like that
took place. He became an owner, but he was still
calling games. May I could he's done just about everything
(09:20):
he does. He has done everything anyway, I digress, but
I just think for AP to have a strong opinion
on it, first of all, you probably should listen because
he's you know, he would know if anybody would know,
he would know. And secondly, it makes for interesting conversation
because again it comes back to the question of why
(09:43):
was this able to happen, Why is it able to
why are you continuing on with it? I think that's
the biggest question. Somebody needed to kind of say, Nope,
we can't do that. Yeah, And I don't know which
side it is, but somebody should have been like, heay,
look here, man, we're gonna grant you the opportunity to
get this minority stake ownership, but you do know you
(10:07):
gotta let the booth go or the booth has got
to say to protect the integrity of what we do.
You know, I know you want to be an owner
over here, but can't you wait a little while longer?
Can't you just run this deal first before you purchase
that team, like somebody. The more I'm continuing to hear
about it, cause he's like one thing that people aren't
(10:30):
taking into consideration, Like, Okay, he goes out and he
watches a practice. What if somebody that's like, what if
your injury report doesn't match match up? You know, you
got a guy like he's probable or you know, game
time decision stuff like that. And Tom Brady comes in
(10:51):
and this is a team that the Raiders are going
to play in like a.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Week or two or something to that effect. That could
play out, and.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He sees the dude, and the dude it's like, yeah,
he ain't gonna be back in two weeks. Dude, ain't
going to be back in three weeks. Ain't no way,
not the way he's moving. Like stuff like just little
things that you can see you can take in inteil
with your own two eyes in person. It just seems
it just seems to be a conversation that you know,
(11:18):
what if you caught somebody arguing, you know, dudes are fighting.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
What if you saw Tua.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And and Tyreek Hill and they're like they had to
break them up or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
You know, anything could play out, and.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Those things that play out behind closed doors, you'd like
to try to keep them behind closed doors.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Anything could play out.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
What Antonio Pierce said, He's probably right, Yeah, I would
be concerned.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That would be nervous.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
The concerns for people around the NFL. You're probably right,
those are warranted. You know, maybe you should be concerned
or you you you know, there's the possibility of all
this happening. Also, tough balls, it's too late. You already,
you already let it go down the road. It's already
off the Sorry, it's too late. You can't go back now,
(12:05):
and then say, oh, well wait a second. Upon further review,
this isn't the greatest idea in the world. Like, this
is my problem with people that complain about gambling being
involved in sports now and then these issues popping up
of these kids in college or NFL players wagering on games,
Calvin Ridley and his seven leg parlay.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
This is my problem with it all.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
You didn't think that if you involved that in your
sport you might have some issues. You didn't realize in
the long run, Hey, maybe there'll be some stuff that's
gonna pop up that we're gonna have to address. And
now when people come back and say, oh, Michael, well,
why is gambling involved in sports anyways? I mean, why
are they involved anyways? If this stuff's gonna pop up Okay, well,
(12:50):
those are all fair conversations that should have happened years
ago or in this case, months ago with Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
All of this is fair.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
The paranoia everybody wondering whether it's to the level that
it's gonna happen, or whether Tom Brady, you know, coaches
being tight lift and how much information he could got
there is the potential of it happening, which should have
been the thought from the get go.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Now, after the fact, it's too late.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
He's already there, he's already calling games, he's already in
the booth, he already has access. They've relaxed the restrictions
on it that we talked about earlier this week. You
can't go back now and then say, well, this is
a terrible idea. Dude, you're already on the roller coaster
going down the tracks. God, I don't think I want
to be on here anymore. Tough balls, you're already buckled
(13:39):
up if you're gonna throw up aim at somebody you
don't like. I don't think this whole outrage that everybody's talking,
but it's a bad look for the league, and it's well, yeah, like,
for sure, why didn't you speak up a year and
a half ago and whether out what Albert Breer said yesterday,
which is what you know, I thought was kind of interesting.
(14:01):
Albert Prier basically said, look, man, ESPN wanted in the
rotation for the Super Bowl, which is why they went
out and got Troy Aikman and Joe Buck because because
the NFL told the ESPN the production you're putting together
isn't big enough for the super Bowl. You need to
get bigger stars. And Fox was like, okay, how's Tom Brady?
(14:27):
I mean, like, okay, it's like the old uh, the
old Roddy Piper quote where he said, don't throw rocks
at a guy who's got a machine gun. Fox is like, okay, interesting,
We're gonna go ahead and get ourselves a machine gun
and it's gonna be Tom Brady. And all of this
conversation afterwards is irrelevant now because he's already in the building.
He's already there. You somebody should have stepped up if
(14:50):
they had concerns back in the day. And there were
people that were talking about it and said, hey, we
don't think this is a good idea, Like we just
we just don't think it's a good idea. And so
to now afterwards, it's peel.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Like God, the wolf in the henhouse, huh, wolf, wolf
in the sheep, in the passion.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
All of its and everybody knows this.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You've been around football as long as anybody.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yeah, are coaches not paranoid? Oh crazy people, So.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Of course they're going to be paranoid about this, of course,
But now afterwards, I was like, God, this, who would
have thunk it? Coaches are worried about whether or not
Tom Brady's giving information to the team that he owns
when he's calling games.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, yeah, that's how this works.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
So I just I don't know, man, I feel like
there's a lot of people that want to try and
do work that they should have now that they should
have done years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's what it seems like to me. I still think
it's a little overstated, though. I mean, at the end
of the day, you got Jimmy's and Joe's x'es and O's. Yeah,
the Raiders are terrible. Okay, what are we talking? I mean, now,
I will say this, if he's using that influence and
you start seeing because we heard about that taking place
(16:01):
this past offseason, didn't necessarily work out the way that
he had hoped for when we were looking at what
was it Matthew Stafford a couple other guys. I think
that he had bumped They were bumped into. They bumped into,
so it wasn't tampering. They just happened to be at
the same ski lodge or something like that in like
Montana or Wyoming or something like that. Yeah, you know,
(16:24):
just to you know how the elites just kind of
hang out in the same places. But that would be
what I would be if you're asking me if I
were a coach and I'm like, huh, or even if
I am a GM or I am a owner of
a franchise. All of the x's and o's aside, the
(16:47):
biggest concern I would have is the Tom Brady aura,
the Tom Brady impact and effect.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
He comes walking in and it's like right, and he
knows it too, and he knows it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
So you got all these dudes, their eyes is popping
out their heads, like.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yo, there's Tom Brady.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I remember the first time I saw Lawrence Taylor walk
up bro I was at the Pro Bowl and I
was like, that can't.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Be this just.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
This just can't be. Look, he's getting closer on everything.
I believe on the inside of me, I believe this
is Lawrence Taylor that's walking towards me.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
That's no way.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, he's getting closer, and he looks more and more
like Lawrence. It's Lawrence Taylor. Now think about this coincidentally?
Maybe I don't know. I don't know if my mind
knew it or whatever. I finished out my career as
a New York giant. I'm just saying the influence and
(18:02):
the impact that heroes have on people, and Tom Brady
is a hero to a lot of dudes.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
That would be what.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Makes me nervous, because now I gotta deal with if
this dude is saying, I'm Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Oh yeah, this is Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Come here and play for Let's make the Raiders great
again in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh you don't think there were people paranoid that Dion
took the Colorado job. Come on based on recruiting. He
could walk into any kid's house and be like, I'm
Deon San and.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
He gets them yes, and he's getting them yeah, and
he and he's not going into houses.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
He don't even have to leave to go on the road.
He doesn't go into the houses.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
He says, come to Dion's house, Come be a primetime player.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I'm going, yeah, no, that.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
The hero worshiping that I that I totally see, I
totally see. I also look, you know there there is
there is a reality to it that, like you know,
he and and maybe they were using him as leverage
and Ben Johnson had already picked his spot, but there
was the thought that Ben Johnson was going to be
their head coach. That was that Tom Brady and Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
That's what it was.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
And so like you know, some of this stuff ultimately
doesn't work out, but I look at it and I go, yeah,
all of it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
All of it.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
His influence, his impact, the role he would play sometimes,
all of it makes sense. Give it some time to
me knowing knowing him. I don't know him in this
part of life, but know him from the earlier days.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And the dude is strategically sound. So knowing that, like, Okay,
you're looking here and this is the obvious. You're not
going to get that from me, but y'all going to
talk about it. That is the the that is the diversion.
It's a diverting of the energy. We're talking about competitive
edges and stuff like this. It's his influence.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
He's got so many business ventures going on that people
don't eat, like don't even and just like little nooks
and crannies, like little little places where he opened up
a sports card shop right next to Wrigley Field in Chicago,
Like what does he have to do with Chicago? Nothing
(20:26):
until now, Like he's got you know, the F one stuff,
like all of these little businesses, these little opportunities, the
you know, the the No Bowl, like all of that
stuff like his he has planted seeds everywhere that are
going to start to sprout at some point and it
might turn into the Raiders being a dynasty. And I
(20:47):
think it's gonna be hilarious.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
That's when.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
But that's when this conversation is going to be. Wow, Like, man,
he really did turn the Raiders around.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
That's that said.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
The concern people have about this weekend's game he's calling
the Cowboys and Bears, and the Raiders are playing the
Bears next week.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I got news for you.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Tom Brady could take a nap during that game and
the Raiders could still beat the Bears.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, yeah, but the Bears could beat the Raiders with
Tom Brady taking What are we talking about you.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Bum right, he's gonna say that it's bum fight, remember
bum fights one A couple of hobos thrown down next.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
To it, next to a.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Hey, that's my shopping cart. No it's mine. No, actually
it's ours. And the guy from Walmart comes out and
takes it back.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
It's just great, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
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but it could be the beginning of.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
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Speaker 4 (23:03):
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coming up in about fifteen minutes from now. We're gonna
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for Week three. We'll get into that for you in
they Shenanigans that LeVar and Brady have tried to pull
through the first two weeks. Coming up here a little
(23:24):
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(23:47):
the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday. I do find it
funny that it is the Chiefs that it happened to
and that's what caused all the outrage.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
But according to.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Sources around the NFL, the NFL said the Eagles should
have been flagged for at least one false start when
they used the tush push against the against the Kansas
City Chiefs and insisted officials this week to call the
play quote unquote tight going forward. According to ESPN, the
(24:20):
message from the league, which was first reported by The
Washington Post and later confirmed by ESPN, came in its
training tape to officials, which was distributed to all thirty
two teams on Wednesday. The NFL showed the Eagles running
the quarterback sneak on third and short late in the
fourth quarter for a first down in an eventual twenty
to seventeen winning Kansas City. So we're going to be
(24:42):
calling this play tight moving forward. So now, the entire
focus of the offseason was on this play, and now
it's here, We're two weeks into the season, and now
this is the entire focus again outside of Tom Brady's
you know, being in the booth and whether or not he.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Gets Chip Kelly and or Intel.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Now it's the edict from the league call this play
tight moving forward. So this is the point of emphasis,
if you will, that the officials come come up with
every single year. And I'm telling you, enjoy the Toush
push while you got it. This son of a bitch
is gone in the off season, gone man up and
(25:25):
vanished like a fart in the wind. They're already placing
it out there. They're planting the seeds, if you will,
to try and get rid of this play. They weren't
able to get it done last year in the off season.
I think this is the last year of the Toush push.
They're going to look into this again in the off season.
They're going to cite issues like this, and this play
will be out next year.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That's the way I see it. I don't see anything
new that makes the conversation that critical. I really don't.
I believe the Tush push is. It's a phenomenon and
(26:09):
it's in its own right because it's created so much
controversy and conversation around it.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
But I feel like if if that were the case
what you're.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Speaking of, if that were going to be the case,
that was going to happen this year, this offseason. My
my problem with the tush push is is that again
it's a bigger there's a bigger conversation here, which is
the idea of allowing guys to be aided and pushed
(26:44):
like it literally is a toush push. You see it,
Dude get his hands on the tush of Jalen Hurts
and gives him that extra momentum and force and torque
to be able to get through the line of scrimmage
and get those extra yards. That's not football. That is
(27:08):
not what football is supposed to be. You're not supposed
to aid a ball carrier. You should not be able
to aid push them. You should not be able to
be carry them, and you should not see be able
to pull them. Indeed, it should be none of the
above that you are allowed to do.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
They're not luggage.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I mean, they be damp bodies on the field, they
be knocked out. Dudes just be dragging them for like
five six more yards. Then they let them down on
the ground and they come scoop them up off the field.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Put the next dude in. Man, that shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Be to me, the bigger issue is when did we
allow pushing, pulling and and and like you know put like.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Pushing, pulling, what else? What was the picking up and
carry and carrying?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah, I don't understand when that became something that you're
allowed to do.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
And that was their out this offseason. That's what they said,
We're going to get rid of that entire act altogether.
So that way, it didn't feel like the Eagles were
being quote unquote targeted or that the Eagles were you know,
we're targeting Philly because they've got this play that nobody
can stop it.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Just just stop the pushing, pooling and carrying. But they're
playing the Rams this weekend. Sean McVay already was quoted
this week is saying, yeah, we're going to talk to
the league about you know, the false starts.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Like it just feels like, all right, that was a
big game last week.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It was a discussion.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
Sean McVay has already said, we've got concerns and we're
at week three. The NFL's now instructed their officials you
need to be I just think that we're going to
get to the point to where they're going to come
up with enough votes. They're going to come up with
enough teams, as opposed to the last year where Jeffrey
Lorie just stood up and he made some reference like
(29:03):
something that was insulting to the women that were in
the room or something along those lines, and somehow they
didn't make the change. I just think they're gonna look
at it this offseason and be like, hey man, this
is way too much dialogue and conversation for a play.
We're just gonna go ahead. We're gonna make sweeping changes
on the carrying the ball carrier and what you're allowed
(29:24):
to do with pushing a guy over the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
That's the key, because you do away with the touch
push in a way, because quarterback keepers have always existed,
and you shouldn't do away with a quarterback keeper short
yardage play. You want to get up under center and
you want to try to QB keep it, that's fine.
I don't have any problem with that, but you gotta
do away with the pushing, pooling and carrying.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I just to me again, you.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Think about plays where guy's making a play down the field,
he's running, and then the defenders get a hold of them.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
What do you usually see happen. You see linemen running
to the ball, and I mean they be hauling ass
to get to the ball, and they start.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Hitting their own men, pulling their own men, hitting people
around the pal because that's what they're taught to do.
Because the play's not over, you could actually go hit somebody,
knock them off, or push your own player, hit your
own player pushing forward like three four more yards. That's
to me where the danger comes into play is the
(30:31):
idea that these big mother efforts think that it's okay
to run down field and do that.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's not safe. That's not safety.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's not And I feel like if you take away
the idea of assisting ball carriers, you won't have guys
hauling ass downfield doing who knows what at the end
of the play where the ball carrier is. That's dangerous.
You don't need to have guys being a and assisted
(31:01):
in running the ball. Once your forward progress has stopped,
the play's dead.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
It's dead.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
There is no wait and see if they can push
him and overpower people by pushing him through the line
of scrimmage or pulling him through. That doesn't make sense.
That's not what football is. It's not what football is.
It's a game of skill, it's a game of technique,
and it's not a game that's considered to be one
of those ones where you're you're using aiding such as that,
(31:35):
you're not using pushing, you're not using pulling, you're not
using carrying.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
You're not doing those things. And I find it to
be it's.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Odd that it doesn't get called out when it happens,
and you'll hear the commentators, Oh my gosh, look at
the legs on that man. Look at the leg drive
that he has. Dude, you're clearly seeing two three linemen
leg drive. I've been while holding the dude and pushing him.
Speaker 7 (32:03):
Through defenders that are there, like it's that sort of
fight that separates him from other players. I was look
at the determination he wouldn't be denied, Like what it's like,
my dude is knocked out, he ain't even there. It's
like my son, they hold him and the ball I took.
I took my son out.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
We were playing, we're playing football at the park, and
then he wanted to do kicks and he calls him downkicks.
I want to do downkicks, and he couldn't get the
ball to go in the air like a real field goal,
and he kept trying, but he just kept like you know,
warm burning on the grass, like he couldn't get it
in the air. And so finally on the last time,
I timed it just right to where when he went
(32:44):
to kick and I was holding the ball, I flicked
it at the same time and it looked like an
actual field goal.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And he looked at me and said, Papa, Papa.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I made it.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
I made I was like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
I couldn't re enact that if I tried, And I
tried the next time around, he goes, how.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Come it's not going in the air, Like I don't know, Bud.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
And so when I was so I did It's like,
so I did it.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I did it again.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
And it was so blatant that I was the one
who was guiding the football in the air like the
ballcarriers being guided like a lineman.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
That he stopped and he looked at me and said,
why did you do that? And I think it.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
Occurred to him that he'd been living a lie for
like two days. Like you've got ball carriers that have
been living a lie thinking, oh my god, it was
my leg drive.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No it wasn't. You aren't even on the ground.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
Alignman carried you over the indze, Like, oh my god,
Tyland hurts.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
He squatched eight hundred pound bron What about to do?
What about behind him pushing?
Speaker 4 (33:48):
I just my favorite though, is that Andy Reid won't
let Patrick Mahomes run quarterback sneaks because he had that
freak injury on a Thursday night game where he dislocated
his kneecap because somebody he came around the side and
hit his knees. So he's like, we will not let
him do quarterback sneaks. So they have like one of
the one of their other tight ends do the toush push.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I mean, and why not?
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Okay, I mean, why not get like a straight up
like Aaron Donald Warren sap type dude. What's the dude
in Detroit? I never can remember his name? What's his name?
All the offensive tackle sel Yeah, give them the ball,
put all linemen in front, put maybe one tight end
(34:34):
behind just in case he worre to fumble like a
real big package.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And and and toush push. Yeah, why not.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Now now I would say this, I would say this,
there's the possibility that you could get four five six
yards off of doing that. So now you know what
I'm doing. I'm getting rid of receivers, getting rid of
running backs unless that running is like a Mike oldstot.
(35:02):
And I'm loading up on all offensive linemen and we're
going to platoon our offensive linemen in there, and we're
going to touch push you to death. If you don't
stop it, we're gonna keep touch pushing you four yards,
four yards, four yards, three yards with fat ass.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Seven yards, which all fat ass is.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Next group in four yards, four yards, next group in
four yards, four yards.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
While they're doing it, while they're going to say, I'm
really gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I'm really gonna do it, yea, at some point the
defense is going to be like, man, f this, I mean,
think about it.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
Think about it.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
You're gonna get three to four yards if you go
crazy heavy with a dude that has that type of
weight and there's more surface space for people behind them.
So you get one big dog behind him that's got
great leg drive, you're driving him, he's hitting a hole.
You're gonna drive at least it's like pushing a sled,
(36:08):
a weighted sled. Them dudes on the other side, it's
like pushing a weighted sled. And you know what, you're
gonna get three to four yards even if you get
three yards on one of them plays, or say you
get two yards, say you get one yard, then you
just send your regular offense back up in there.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm gonna have me two.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Receivers on on just wear them down or punt wear
them down in punt.
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Speaker 3 (36:52):
Three in the NFL. That's yours here on FSR.
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Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Coming up top of next hour a little over ten
minutes from now, we are going to have a discussion
about where one team in the NFL stands, especially at
the quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
We'll get into that for you here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
We were going to do our picks against the spread
this segment, but want to make sure we got full
time because there's a lot to explain, because Brady and
LeVar have muddied the waters with money lines that have
completely thrown the math all the way off. Breeze trying
to do her best to piece it all together.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Meanwhile rough week.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Meanwhile, you got old Faithful over here, just sitting there going, hey,
I'm just gonna go against the spread.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I don't need money lines.
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Speaker 3 (38:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
I was thinking about this with Carson Wentz starting in
place at JJ McCarthy in Minnesota, and I think you
made the point they're probably going to be a better team,
probably better man. And that's not like a knock on
JJ McCarthy. He's just not there yet.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I mean we've seen experience, and so if Wentz isn't
totally ruined by now, they're going to be a better team.
If he got the yips or anything like that, don't
count on.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
It, okay, because I mean, let's be honest, man, JJ McCarthy.
In the first game, outside of that fourth quarter meltdown
by the Bears, he wasn't good. Like it didn't look good,
and it didn't look good against Atlanta last week, like
Atlanta you know, won that game going away and probably
could have won it buy more. But so I look
at it, I go, you know, Kevin O'Connell, like you know,
(39:13):
he's you know, talking up Carson Wentz and what Carson
Wentz can do. By the way, Carson Wentz is starting
his starting a game for a different team six years
in a row now, so six years in a row
he started a game for a different team.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
If he doesn't have the yips, with all that talent
that they got on that team, man, he should be good.
All you got to do is just protect the ball,
that's all. Don't don't go get outside of yourself. Just
get Justin Jefferson the ball. Protect yourself, Get Aaron Jones
the ball.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
You'll be good. Keep it simple. So the Viking's got
a shot. Be on some rock party type stuff, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
They got Jake Browning, how about it and his rocket
ship this weekend.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
That is a rocket
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