November 6, 2025 • 41 mins
The guys react to coaches around the league from the past few days and tell you what they are really trying to say in this edition of Coach Speak. Brady rips the NFL for continuing to send mixed messages in their officiating of the hip drop tackle after Frankie Luvu's suspension was lifted. Plus, an easy choice for the Pro of the Week!
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Begin just sertach two pros FSR and subscribe. Let's get
you all jacked up far. Yeah I like this song.
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Yeah yeah, I think you're gonna like this thief all right.
So Brady Quinn came up with an idea. Okay, and
I'm a fan of this because this where you just
cut through all the bs, all the crap that coaches
tell you in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So it's a little something called coach speak.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh okay, to where Ryan Berschinger, our executive producer, has
pulled sound clips from coaches postgame or throughout the early
portion of this week talking about their teams. And I
don't know if we have any sort of underlying music
we can throw in kind to add a little spice
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to this. All right, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That isn't too loud, yea, y'all still be able to
hear the coach.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So I think we'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So Bursh, you've got a you've got coaches in the NFL.
You've got comments they've made postgame or other during the
early portion of this week or after Sunday's performances, and
you're going to rattle them off, and we're going to
try and decipher what they're actually saying as opposed to
what they're telling the media in publicly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh I love this, that's correct. Let's go now.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Now, some of these statements might be a little bit
more direct and some may be super generic. So it
will be up to you, guys to to better translate
what these coaches are saying.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Let's let's start off with some sound from yesterday, from Wednesday.
First off, let's start with Aaron Glenn. Of course, the
Jets just traded away a handful of guys and it's
been a you know, rough goings for the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A reporter asked.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Him about how fans should feel about the team despite
their one and seven. Start this this this cut starts
with the question and then it's a little difficult to
hear the question, but it's good to hear the way
that that Aaron interjects and his answer.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Here we go say to the fans who were, you know,
frustrated by a one to seven record, just saw their
ticket prices go up, and they just saw two of
their favorite players get trained and way before you've seen it.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Nothing different that I've been saying. Listen, I want this
to be a team that the fans are proud of.
But again, I never said that we're going to be
proud of them right now. At some point, I want
this to be a team that this that the fans
are proud of, and I still I still stick with that,
you know, and I will still say that this is
a team that the fans will be proud of. And
I'm not going to get into the patients and all
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that type of crap that you always hear, but I
will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Our guys are working. We're going to continue to work, and.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Again I'm gonna stand by that statement. I want this
to be a team that the fans are proud of.
So don't let go of Rope if you've heard me
say that before, and just continue to watch his work.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, pretty.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
We want We stink. We stink. That's That's as simple
as it can be.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
They're not a good football team right now, but you know,
like everyone else, they're working to become a better football team.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
But they stink. That's essentially what he's saying.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
And you are being gouged and you know you're overpaying
for your ticket price right now, but that's the reality
of fandom.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
You know, they're not gonna all be winning seasons.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
They're not gonna all end in the super Bowl, and
uh yeah, they stink. That's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
My interpretation was our fans can't be proud of this
team because I'm not proud of them, damn. And for
what it's worth, and now I'm just giving you an interpretation,
and for what it's worth, the culture that I'm trying
to build here, Uh, there's going to be casualties to
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that build out. And once I get guys doing it
the way I want them to do it, guys that
subscribe to it the way that I want them to,
then we'll start winning and then we can have the
conversation of fans being proud of this team. But until
we get there, you got to deal with the tough
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sledding of what decisions are going to be made, including
if that includes one of your favorite players going somewhere else.
That's that's my interpreting. We stink.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I think Aaron Glenn is saying I've made a terrible mistake.
Oh no, I was waiting for my opportunity. I followed
my heart and out my head. I was a former
New York jet I thought I could be the guy
to fix this place, only to find out we're as
bad as everybody says we are and it's not getting
back anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And I'm shocked we've actually won again.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You won that round, and then you won that round.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
There's no there's there's no way that Aaron Glenn, upon
further review, would be worse that this was a terrible mistake.
I've made a horrible mistake.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So so when he so when he goes home, he
was telling his wife the truth. That's why he was
telling his wife why he was brushing his teeth.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Honey, this is this is way worse than I thought
it was.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It's hey, man, because we've all had those moments where
you thought something was better than what it was. Yeah,
you come to that moment of realization that it's not
only not as good as you thought it was, but
it's worse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah. Yeah, that's so, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I made a terrible mistake.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Couple burst, Yeah, next one up here, Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Mike Brabel was asked about why the Patriots didn't make
any moves. It sounded like that they may have been
close to making some moves ahead of the NFL trade deadline.
This is what Brabel had to say to that question.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Deals are like being pregnant.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You either are or you aren't.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.
So I don't know how close you can be.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated
and looked in and made phone calls.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
And they what personnel departments.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do, LaVar, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, it sounds like somebody gets impregnated while somebody else
does the impregnating and if that doesn't take place between
the calls of the franchises, then there is no deal
to be made. I think that he was shooting from
the hip, basically saying that if we can get a
(08:01):
deal done where I guess the team doesn't try to
take advantage of what they want out of the deal,
then we'll get a deal done. But you can't be
sitting there playing around with it. I think he can't.
He shot from the hip. That wasn't cap I think
he wanted to possibly get some deals done, but maybe
it just didn't make sense in terms of what the
other teams were requiring for the deal to take place.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Brady, what are you thinking?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
I think he was saying, look, in the future, if
you want to do a deal, give us a damn call.
But otherwise kick rocks like I'm not playing around with
all this, all right?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
You either are you aren't in the.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Market to a trade, all right, We're not going to
waste our time with this bs back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Jonas. I think Mike Rabel was just saying, look, man,
I'm happy that our.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Owner is out of the massage parlor. Okay, that's it
like that. That's my priority here. I'm trying to win games,
all right. I can't worry about make believe trades. I've
got a quarterback, I'm trying to develop, and I've got
all these other things that could pop up at any
point in time. We're trying to win games, turn around
the franchise, and get back to the success that we
had years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I know what a trade looks like. I've been to
Asias of Orchid. Yeah, Organs of Asia.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
By the way, ass of Orchid is actually a better name.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You want to see what a trade looks like, follow me.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Third room on the left.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll trade you that third room on the left for
that first one on the right.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right, let's let's go. Let's move on to the
next one.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I think that the first couple here is just to
kind of warm you guys up, and and and and
just kind of get get your get your mind going
in terms of translating here, because this next one is
going to take a lot of work in order to
translate to the coach speak here because it's Mike McDaniel.
So here is Mike McDaniel. Of course, the Dolphins are
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facing the Bills this this Sunday, and this is Mike
McDaniel talking about the Bills.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
They've beaten us because they've scored more points and done
the right football things longer than we have in those
games that that we lost.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
You know, I think that that's the measure of a
good football team is being able to win, you know,
particularly there's been a couple of one score games as
of late that they've they've won and we've lost.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And so what's critical is that you don't have.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Your I wish you could have them back plays in
the fourth quarter anticipating that regardless of how well you
play or whatever they do, they generally do a great
job of keeping the game at least worst case scenario,
at least within reach.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Okay, do you want that to keep going? We could
keep going. There's there's a good another minute to that answer.
What is Mike McDaniel start with? Yes, what is he
really saying here? I think what he's really what.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He's really saying is is that right now I'm under
the influence, and that's better. It's better that I do
this interview while I'm fried, so that I could give
you guys some very very educational and very very detailed
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reasons as to why the Bills beat us so bad.
And and I guess while I'm feeling as nice as
I am and as fried as I am, I would
offer that well, the obvious reasons are ABC as well
as one, two three is the reasons why we can't
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beat the Bills because I'm fried and they can go
to uh ten, eleven, twelve and uh C d F
j k W h uh did I mess that up?
I'm sorry, but this is the alphabets and the numbers game,
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and that's why Buffalo is beating us, like beating on us.
There you go, okay, perfect, perfect, Yeah, Brady breath the
Lazar test, Brady, I'll give you a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What is what is Mike McDaniel really saying? Here?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Where am I am? I'm still coaching with the Dolphins.
I'm still doing this, all right.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
I just need to get through these next these next
few press conferences. I don't I don't care. I'm gonna
get paid. I like that cash money, I like that.
You know Lulu Lemon, you know type swag. You see
that watch on my wrists? Oh, I don't care about
all this. Where am I?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
All right? Jonas? What's what's Mike McDaniel?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Is this no smoking section?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Because I got to get out of here, and I
can't believe that I'm still here. I know we're going
to Spain in a couple of weeks. That's all I'm
living for. That's all I'm waiting for. Other than that,
get me back on the market. I'll go be a
coordinator on somebody's staff next year, and I'll try and
pursue my coaching dreams at another point in time.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I get get.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Get your memories.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I get I get white at us.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They're better for longer than us. That's It's simple.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like what I mean you know, if you think about
it's true.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
All right, So moving on here now this this one,
we can get a little more spicy with this one
because this might be insinuating some you know, some some
wrongdoings by another team. Let's go back to Monday here.
Raheem Morris was talking about their game with the Patriots,
uh and he he kind of accused the Patriots of
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maybe uh meddling with the game a little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
They did a nice job.
Speaker 11 (14:42):
They simulated a snap, the ball came early. We snapped
early within that snap. That was when we got the
intestional grounding. Nice job by those guys. Great situation to football,
great play. Hey, we clapping simulated our snap, got to
snap the ball and that's what a ball was snapped
earlier Mike when he wasn't ready for snap.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Brady, what's Raheem Morris really saying here?
Speaker 7 (15:01):
They cheated? They're cheaters.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
They cheated and always have been, always will be f
them guys.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah that's all I got to say about it, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, LeVar, what what? What's Raheem really saying?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This one is simple? A Mike, stop hollering at my
side pieces, man, Look, don't it shouldn't. It shouldn't transit's
transition over it to the game on the field. What,
let's stop simulating all of these weird ass stay away
(15:36):
from my chick, Mike, that's my side piece.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Jonas. Yeah, what what's what's Raheem really saying?
Speaker 10 (15:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I thought we'd be way better than this, and it
can't be because we're just not good.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's got to be something else.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
They're doing something to kind of cheat us and and
screw us out of this whole situation. And uh, I myself,
I am a little perplexed that we were even able
to keep the game within five and a half, which
may have burned some people on two pros and a
cup of Joe. But still, going back to the clapping thing,
I think they're cheating. It's got to be that because
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it can't be anything on the field from us because
I was hired over Bill Belichick, who's the greatest coach
in the history of the league. They chose me over him. Clearly,
this is not a me problem. It's a them problem,
and they're trying to cheat the system.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Oh ud Man, I'm just telling you, man, he was
telling them. Listen, you remember this, You remember hearing this
this this, uh this audio? You remember that audio? Rah,
I'm just telling y'all, man, stay away, it's shady. I
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don't like it. Stay away from that's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That piece, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Let's the clapping taking plays. Here is my clapping, dag.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Let's let's look at some postgames sound from week nine.
Let's try something that's just a super generic cut. This
is from Brian Schottenheimer after the Cowboys lost to the
Cardinals on Monday night.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We gotta play better offensively. We're better than, you know,
ten points, which is all we scored. Great job by
Sam on the punt block, special teams, but for us
to score ten points offensively is not the standard. And
no one's no one's happy about.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That, all right, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I just feel like that's pretty candid, man, Like it's
hard to poke fun at that. Like he's telling the truth.
They are better than ten points. Dak is actually having
a good year, and and this this offense has pickings
and ceede lamb on it. They are better than ten points.
That's I take this one as this This is pretty literal.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Oh yeah, Brady, what's the Shottenneimer saying here?
Speaker 7 (18:00):
I think he's uh, I think this is what he's saying.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
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Speaker 7 (18:18):
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Speaker 3 (18:20):
They're offered with sleep Dang.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Jonas, What is Brian really saying here?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We just got torched by Jacoby Brissett? Can I get
some help on defense?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And why'd you make me hire Maddie Refluse just because
he coached here for years in the past. Like, if
I'm not gonna be given full autonomy on the job
to be able to make decisions here, and and you
go ahead and after you announce me as the head
coach and give me the opportunity you trade away our
best player on defense, I'm gonna lead.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Need a little more help than that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All sort of point out the fact that we only
scored a certain amount of points, but I'll leave out
the fact that we've been scoring a lot of points
all year long. But we can't STF anybody, So, y'all
giving up a lot of points. Yeah, I got to reverse.
I got to put it in reverse. Yeah, Okay, there
we go. That is the uh, the first installment of.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Coach speak here on the show.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
All right, So I'm just going to be outrageous from
here on out? Why not, just so everyone knows I
will never be literal ever again. On this segment, I
am going to choose the most outlandish story that I
can possibly think of, So just just make sure I
don't get sued or held accountable for any of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, I mean, if they're not going to be fourth, right,
then you know, anybody's guess is as good as anybody else's.
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So we talked about this a little bit with Dean
Blandino when he joined us a couple of days ago
on the show about the Frankie Louvu hip drop tackle
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that was a one game suspension handed out violation by
the NFL in the past couple of days. And then
upon further review, Derek Brooks, who was in charge of
handling the appeal, he heard Frankie Louver's appeal. They've now
instead wiped away the one game suspension, but they fined
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him one hundred thousand dollars. Geez, so I guess game
check would have been a little over five hundred thousand dollars.
So at least it saved him a little bit of
coin there. But here was Frankie Luvu of the commanders
talking about his style of play and his reputation.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
My peers is looking towards me and kind of like, oh,
we don't respect frank lucause he's a thirty you know,
and all those lines or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The people thinking you're a dirty player.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
The headlines may be, but you know, I mean, my
teammates know who I am. The people that know me
and the people that know around me know who I
am as a player as a person, and none of
my attentions are trying to get out there and trying
to hurt somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So part of this was the fact that this was
the third time he had done it, so repeat violations.
But the one in question on Sunday night, I think,
you know what, we even discussed this with Blandino, like
it happened so fast. The idea that that was a
blatant hip drop tackle. I just I didn't get it,
and apparently Derek Brooks didn't either, so he gets popped
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one hundred K.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But it saves him a game check.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Dude, I don't I don't think any of them are
necessarily intentional.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
I think it's more of a habit or.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
A technique that he's developed what he's in certain positions
just to get guy down on the ground.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I mean, let's be honest about what this is.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Defenders have had to adjust consolated rule changes and even
the technique in which they've changed to try to make
the game safer. I have said this for a long
time now. Getting the head out of football, to me
is the wrong message that you're sending. You wear a
helmet for a reason. And then for a long period
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of time, there was a way in which tackling was
taught head up, eyes up, see what you hit, and
making sure your head is in a strong or your
spine's at a strong stable position. You know when your
spine's not in a strong stable position when you try
to lean your head to the left or right and
you try to aim and attack at his engine, his legs,
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and then you subject your own neck as the tackler
to be injured or your own head as well because
it's not in a strong position. So most tackles are
made on angles and a job.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Of a defensive players to get the guy on the ground.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
So I don't know that any player is consciously thinking,
I can't wait to hip drop tackle this player and
injure him.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
In those moments. He's doing his job. He's trying to
get the player to the ground.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
And I understand they're trying to like eliminate this technique
of doing so, But at the end of the day,
this comes down to a guy's or a man's job
being getting that guy down on the ground, and a
defender is going to do it by whatever means necessary
because that's his job.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I just I look at this and.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
I think now, because he's done it, you know, a
few times before, a couple of times before, people are
quick to react to it. It's no different than like
Draymond Green in the NBA. As soon as he starts
to talk to an official, they're quick to give him
a tee. Why because he's got a history of it.
So now they're assuming that anything he says, anything he's done,
warrants that that they're not. Every tackle, not every game,
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not every play is all the same, and they're trying
to change his habit of how he's made some of
his hits in the past and eliminate this particular tackle.
Stop trying to teach tackling how you do now, because
every single time they teach these angle tackles, they're trying
to take their head out of it. You subject the player,
especially if they end up aiming behind, he's gonna be
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able to try to grab in some type of way
and swing his body to get the guy down.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Otherwise he's the ball care is going to carry him
for four or five yards.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I just I think there's a big issue right now
to me with the way we're teaching tackling and how
it then applies to what we're seeing, or how the
hip drop tackle has come along. I think it's a
byproduct of some of the technique being taught.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'll start by saying there is no exact there is
no exact perfect way to tackle, and people may say, well,
what does that mean. The reasoning behind it is is
there's too many variables that go into a play that
dictate how you're able to approach the person the ball carrier.
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So there isn't an exact Okay, soon as he catches
the ball, this is exactly the way you approach it.
This is how you make contact. It doesn't work that way.
Some guys run higher than others. Some guys are taller
than others. Some guys are shorter than others. Some guys
are bigger than others, some guys are smaller. It's too
many different variables. And Louvu's case and this tackle that
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he just made that he got fined for, which I'm
curious as to why he would get fined. One hundred
thousand dollars. That was his momentum. His momentum carried him
that way. He ran from an outside angle, he made
contact with the ball carrier. He's holding on to the
ball carrier because again the conversation with Dean Blandino that
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was thrown out there, if you let the guy go
so that you don't get what is perceived to be
a hip drop, a hip drop technique, then you missed
the tackle. And it's okay for you to miss the
tackle because you let him go for safety purposes where
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you don't get labeled as a dirty player or a
hip drop technique like that's that's pretty that's pretty crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You can't drag him down, and you can't drive him down.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Again, if you can't drag a guy down, if you
can't drag a guy down, I don't like you're you're
really really making it difficult. And again you see you
see the benefits of it because you see more runners
have success in running the ball because these defenders don't
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really know. It's just hard to ackle somebody anymore. It
really is. If if I have to tackle a guy
that's smaller than me, he's most likely going to be
as quick or quicker than I am. That's hard to
try to figure out an open space how you're going
to tackle a person legally. It's it's it's an added
(28:19):
thought process. It's difficult. And at the pro level, that's
like you're you're asking guys to do things that are unrealistic.
And and maybe that's what what the rules are for.
Maybe it is to make it unrealistic for defenders to
be able to legitimately be able to defend. And maybe
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that's the hidden secret of it all, like keep putting
rules in play, say it's for safety purposes, but in reality,
you're you're making it easier for players. And then when
a player and and and now that I'm saying this
out loud, maybe that's why it's the one hundred thousand
dollars fine. You know that that's There's no way that
hits should have been a fine. There's no way that
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hit should have been a penalty. There's no way that
the kids should have been suspended. It's just that was
a good hit. He came from an outside angle, he
ran up on him. The guy's going forward, he's running
from the side diagonally, so his body and his momentum
is carrying, carrying him across the back of his body, like,
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you gotta get in position to try to make the
tackle as best you can. How fast is the guy?
How quick is the guy? Like, there's all these different
aspects of going into a tackle and what that looks like,
and it's just not it's people can sit back and
talk about how difficult it is or how it should look.
(29:45):
You can you can rewind slow mode, Da da da.
You can put these diagrams in effect as much as
you like, but clearly you don't understand what it feels
like to be on the field with some of these
guys trying to do your job. And the simplest thing
that a defender is supposed to do is tackle. It's tackle,
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and so to me, you make it more difficult. You
find him one hundred grand. That's a that's a message.
That's what that is like. Don't tackle like this. If
you see what Luvu did, don't tackle like this because
you don't want to lose one hundred grand. You don't
want to risk missing a game. You don't want to
miss losing a game. Check. That's all this is is
you're sending a message to the other defenders to stop
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tackling a certain type of way. I just think it's
it's sad.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So if they're telling you you can't do the hip
drop because you're gonna get suspended a game and you're
going to miss your five hundred plus thousand dollars game check,
all right, then what do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, well, you've seen you We've seen these these videos
that pop up where you'll see a guy like pull up,
you know, like it. Basically, what you're saying is is
if you don't don't have the right angle, like this
is real, This is like real talk. If you do
not have the right angle to go tackle somebody, then
don't tackle them. And I'm just saying it sounds crazy, right,
(31:12):
it sounds crazy, But we have there have been videos
that have popped up where you see guys pull up.
You see them pull up. It's amazing to me. So basically,
what you're saying is is a guy has to be
in front of you, in front of you, and he
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has to attack you for the tackle from in front
of you. Because if you attack somebody from the side,
if God forbid, you have to run somebody down from
the side, an angle from behind anything that you do
is generally going to be some type of up to
interpretation of if you're executing a legal tackle. That's what
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this says to me.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I can't image imagine that the thought of Frankie Louvu
when he goes into you know, when this was Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I can't imagine in that moment he's thinking, Oh,
I want to rip this guy's knee up. I could
understand if you were going if it was a direct
shot at his kneecap and you you were going to
take him out and you were going low, which.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I want to totally hit him down. Every defender is
thinking to themselves, I want to get him down. So
that's how hard you hit somebody. That's different, right like,
but getting like somebody down with your momentum, which that's
what he did. You're supposed to use your momentum to
try to get somebody down. That's what you're supposed to do.
(32:39):
Use your momentum. If I'm running up on you, if
I got to grab you by your shoulder pads, I
want to use my momentum to get you down. That
might be my only way of getting you down. You
heard Q say using your neck and extending your neck
and getting your head in the way, like I'm not
(33:00):
doing that, so I can if I can make the
tackle without having to get my neck all the way
involved in doing it, I want to make contact. If
you want to know the proper contact point, it's your chest,
your chest. The proper aiming point is the shoulders. You
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attack the balance zone of a ball carrier to impede
their forward progress, to throw their balance off. If I
can throw your balance off, then from there I got
to see what I can do to get you down.
So if I strike your shoulder, then now I'm grabbing
your shoulders, I'm wrapping you up, and then now I'm
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trying to use my momentum to force your shoulders to
take your body down. And some guys that's in theory,
it sounds good and it makes sense, but they might
be strong enough to withstand your your contact and your
your leverage of trying to use your mo mentum to
pull them down. Some guys can break that. So you're
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not even like you got guys like Saquon and guys
squatting shobb and autumn squatting the god dang world on
on a on a squat rack on a bar and
you're saying we got to figure out how exactly to
hit them where it doesn't constitute it being uh interpreted
as a hip drop. Hey, come on, man, if somebody's
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hip dropping the tackle, you can see a guy that
grabs a guy, pulls them and sits down on the
back of their legs. Just go look at Roy Williams.
Roy Williams was the master of hip that. If you
want to call it hip dropping whatever, I think it's
crazy to even give it a name. Horse the dude,
(34:47):
well horse, he will horse callar you, pull you back
and then sit on your legs to get you down.
Like that's that? That to me? The horse collar tackle.
I get that, even though I'm like, hey, if you
could catch a guy from behind and you could get
a hold of the back, I made a living off
of that, so most of the plays I would have
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made would have been penalties. I'm gonna run you down
if I could get a hold of the back of
your pads. I'm gonna I'm gonna yank you down by
the back of your pads. I don't see why that
should be a problem either, man. It's fine if it's
if you want to call it, make it a penalty,
and make it illegal. That's fine, because guys did eventually
start throwing their bodies into their legs. But for some guys,
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I didn't throw my body, I didn't drop my my
my butt onto the back of their legs. When I
when I horse collar guys, I just pulled them. I
pulled them down. I got a back, a hold of
the back of their pads and held on to it
and use my momentum to pull them down. My body
never touched them. I never had to use my head,
didn't have to use my shoulders. I got a hold
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of their pads and I pulled them down. So I
just think that creating all of these conversations about players
safety and how you got to tackle, and all these
different focuses on the defense, I think it just takes away.
It really takes away from the game, man. It really does,
because you're taking away the essence of what football represents.
(36:13):
Football is about moving the ball down the field and
another group trying to stop them from doing it, and
doing it ends to play by the person hitting the
ground or incomplete pass. You gotta tackle, You gotta be
able to tackle.
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Speaker 1 (37:05):
Wow, good job, hey man. There's a song about booger sugar.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
No, this is a Mike Mike McDaniel's a song.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
To the microphone that a bit reckless.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
I said, I'm being reckless from here on out.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Don't take any of my claims that's true. Just showed
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Speaker 3 (39:13):
I told you I got kicked in the face and
that was it for me. I wanted to face mask
in a helmet to protect me if I was going
to be out there or basketball good. I just stopped,
stopped growing. I told you, I dove for a ball,
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to tag, you know, just catch the ball, routine, catch
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the ball, tag the base like you're out at first
like generally, right, I was first baseman. They throw a
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this person decided to slide in the first base, but
(39:54):
they did they slid in the first base and kicked
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holding my face that looked like I got punched like
by it like it was bad. Yeah, kick right in
the face, man, any blood? I don't remember if there
was blood, it probably was. I mean it was a
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cleat and my face was swollen, bruh like it was
swollen like I got punched by Mike Tyson. Looked like
my face blew up. And I had to go to
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So immediately upon walking into the church, everybody's like, what happened?
What happened? Before to even see it because they I
got sunglasses on, so I take where sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
When I was with Okay, I didn't wear cap. That
was a pretty fancy hat though it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Was Yeah, well we weren't inside. We weren't inside, you know.
When I went to church, we were inside and I
had sunglasses on, and that was before wearing sunglasses was cool.
But I took it off and everybody was like, damn,
it was bad. Never played again.
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Begin just sertach two pros FSR and subscribe. Let's get
you all jacked up far. Yeah I like this song.
(01:20):
Yeah yeah, I think you're gonna like this thief all right.
So Brady Quinn came up with an idea. Okay, and
I'm a fan of this because this where you just
cut through all the bs, all the crap that coaches
tell you in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So it's a little something called coach speak.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh okay, to where Ryan Berschinger, our executive producer, has
pulled sound clips from coaches postgame or throughout the early
portion of this week talking about their teams. And I
don't know if we have any sort of underlying music
we can throw in kind to add a little spice
(02:01):
to this. All right, that'll work.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
That isn't too loud, yea, y'all still be able to
hear the coach.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So I think we'll be fine.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So Bursh, you've got a you've got coaches in the NFL.
You've got comments they've made postgame or other during the
early portion of this week or after Sunday's performances, and
you're going to rattle them off, and we're going to
try and decipher what they're actually saying as opposed to
what they're telling the media in publicly.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Oh I love this, that's correct. Let's go now.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Now, some of these statements might be a little bit
more direct and some may be super generic. So it
will be up to you, guys to to better translate
what these coaches are saying.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Let's let's start off with some sound from yesterday, from Wednesday.
First off, let's start with Aaron Glenn. Of course, the
Jets just traded away a handful of guys and it's
been a you know, rough goings for the New York Jets.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
A reporter asked.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Him about how fans should feel about the team despite
their one and seven. Start this this this cut starts
with the question and then it's a little difficult to
hear the question, but it's good to hear the way
that that Aaron interjects and his answer.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Here we go say to the fans who were, you know,
frustrated by a one to seven record, just saw their
ticket prices go up, and they just saw two of
their favorite players get trained and way before you've seen it.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
Nothing different that I've been saying. Listen, I want this
to be a team that the fans are proud of.
But again, I never said that we're going to be
proud of them right now. At some point, I want
this to be a team that this that the fans
are proud of, and I still I still stick with that,
you know, and I will still say that this is
a team that the fans will be proud of. And
I'm not going to get into the patients and all
(03:48):
that type of crap that you always hear, but I
will tell you this.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Our guys are working. We're going to continue to work, and.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
Again I'm gonna stand by that statement. I want this
to be a team that the fans are proud of.
So don't let go of Rope if you've heard me
say that before, and just continue to watch his work.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay, yeah, yeah, pretty.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
We want We stink. We stink. That's That's as simple
as it can be.
Speaker 8 (04:17):
They're not a good football team right now, but you know,
like everyone else, they're working to become a better football team.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
But they stink. That's essentially what he's saying.
Speaker 8 (04:28):
And you are being gouged and you know you're overpaying
for your ticket price right now, but that's the reality
of fandom.
Speaker 7 (04:35):
You know, they're not gonna all be winning seasons.
Speaker 8 (04:37):
They're not gonna all end in the super Bowl, and
uh yeah, they stink. That's where we're at.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
My interpretation was our fans can't be proud of this
team because I'm not proud of them, damn. And for
what it's worth, and now I'm just giving you an interpretation,
and for what it's worth, the culture that I'm trying
to build here, Uh, there's going to be casualties to
(05:04):
that build out. And once I get guys doing it
the way I want them to do it, guys that
subscribe to it the way that I want them to,
then we'll start winning and then we can have the
conversation of fans being proud of this team. But until
we get there, you got to deal with the tough
(05:27):
sledding of what decisions are going to be made, including
if that includes one of your favorite players going somewhere else.
That's that's my interpreting. We stink.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I think Aaron Glenn is saying I've made a terrible mistake.
Oh no, I was waiting for my opportunity. I followed
my heart and out my head. I was a former
New York jet I thought I could be the guy
to fix this place, only to find out we're as
bad as everybody says we are and it's not getting
back anytime soon.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And I'm shocked we've actually won again.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You won that round, and then you won that round.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
There's no there's there's no way that Aaron Glenn, upon
further review, would be worse that this was a terrible mistake.
I've made a horrible mistake.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
So so when he so when he goes home, he
was telling his wife the truth. That's why he was
telling his wife why he was brushing his teeth.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Honey, this is this is way worse than I thought
it was.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
It's hey, man, because we've all had those moments where
you thought something was better than what it was. Yeah,
you come to that moment of realization that it's not
only not as good as you thought it was, but
it's worse.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah. Yeah, that's so, that's that's.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I made a terrible mistake.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Couple burst, Yeah, next one up here, Mike Vrabel.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
Mike Brabel was asked about why the Patriots didn't make
any moves. It sounded like that they may have been
close to making some moves ahead of the NFL trade deadline.
This is what Brabel had to say to that question.
Speaker 7 (07:13):
Deals are like being pregnant.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You either are or you aren't.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
There's no like. It's either a deal or it's not.
So I don't know how close you can be.
Speaker 8 (07:21):
I know that everyone worked hard and that we investigated
and looked in and made phone calls.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
And they what personnel departments.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Do, LaVar, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, it sounds like somebody gets impregnated while somebody else
does the impregnating and if that doesn't take place between
the calls of the franchises, then there is no deal
to be made. I think that he was shooting from
the hip, basically saying that if we can get a
(08:01):
deal done where I guess the team doesn't try to
take advantage of what they want out of the deal,
then we'll get a deal done. But you can't be
sitting there playing around with it. I think he can't.
He shot from the hip. That wasn't cap I think
he wanted to possibly get some deals done, but maybe
it just didn't make sense in terms of what the
other teams were requiring for the deal to take place.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Brady, what are you thinking?
Speaker 8 (08:25):
I think he was saying, look, in the future, if
you want to do a deal, give us a damn call.
But otherwise kick rocks like I'm not playing around with
all this, all right?
Speaker 7 (08:37):
You either are you aren't in the.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
Market to a trade, all right, We're not going to
waste our time with this bs back and forth.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Jonas. I think Mike Rabel was just saying, look, man,
I'm happy that our.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Owner is out of the massage parlor. Okay, that's it
like that. That's my priority here. I'm trying to win games,
all right. I can't worry about make believe trades. I've
got a quarterback, I'm trying to develop, and I've got
all these other things that could pop up at any
point in time. We're trying to win games, turn around
the franchise, and get back to the success that we
had years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I know what a trade looks like. I've been to
Asias of Orchid. Yeah, Organs of Asia.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
By the way, ass of Orchid is actually a better name.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You want to see what a trade looks like, follow me.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Third room on the left.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I'll trade you that third room on the left for
that first one on the right.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
All right, let's let's go. Let's move on to the
next one.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I think that the first couple here is just to
kind of warm you guys up, and and and and
just kind of get get your get your mind going
in terms of translating here, because this next one is
going to take a lot of work in order to
translate to the coach speak here because it's Mike McDaniel.
So here is Mike McDaniel. Of course, the Dolphins are
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facing the Bills this this Sunday, and this is Mike
McDaniel talking about the Bills.
Speaker 9 (10:13):
They've beaten us because they've scored more points and done
the right football things longer than we have in those
games that that we lost.
Speaker 10 (10:23):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (10:24):
You know, I think that that's the measure of a
good football team is being able to win, you know,
particularly there's been a couple of one score games as
of late that they've they've won and we've lost.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And so what's critical is that you don't have.
Speaker 9 (10:44):
Your I wish you could have them back plays in
the fourth quarter anticipating that regardless of how well you
play or whatever they do, they generally do a great
job of keeping the game at least worst case scenario,
at least within reach.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Okay, do you want that to keep going? We could
keep going. There's there's a good another minute to that answer.
What is Mike McDaniel start with? Yes, what is he
really saying here? I think what he's really what.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
He's really saying is is that right now I'm under
the influence, and that's better. It's better that I do
this interview while I'm fried, so that I could give
you guys some very very educational and very very detailed
(11:42):
reasons as to why the Bills beat us so bad.
And and I guess while I'm feeling as nice as
I am and as fried as I am, I would
offer that well, the obvious reasons are ABC as well
as one, two three is the reasons why we can't
(12:03):
beat the Bills because I'm fried and they can go
to uh ten, eleven, twelve and uh C d F
j k W h uh did I mess that up?
I'm sorry, but this is the alphabets and the numbers game,
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and that's why Buffalo is beating us, like beating on us.
There you go, okay, perfect, perfect, Yeah, Brady breath the
Lazar test, Brady, I'll give you a shot.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What is what is Mike McDaniel really saying? Here?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
Where am I am? I'm still coaching with the Dolphins.
I'm still doing this, all right.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
I just need to get through these next these next
few press conferences. I don't I don't care. I'm gonna
get paid. I like that cash money, I like that.
You know Lulu Lemon, you know type swag. You see
that watch on my wrists? Oh, I don't care about
all this. Where am I?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
All right? Jonas? What's what's Mike McDaniel?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Here we go?
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Is this no smoking section?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Because I got to get out of here, and I
can't believe that I'm still here. I know we're going
to Spain in a couple of weeks. That's all I'm
living for. That's all I'm waiting for. Other than that,
get me back on the market. I'll go be a
coordinator on somebody's staff next year, and I'll try and
pursue my coaching dreams at another point in time.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I get get.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Get your memories.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
I get I get white at us.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
They're better for longer than us. That's It's simple.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Like what I mean you know, if you think about
it's true.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
All right, So moving on here now this this one,
we can get a little more spicy with this one
because this might be insinuating some you know, some some
wrongdoings by another team. Let's go back to Monday here.
Raheem Morris was talking about their game with the Patriots,
uh and he he kind of accused the Patriots of
(14:38):
maybe uh meddling with the game a little bit.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
They did a nice job.
Speaker 11 (14:42):
They simulated a snap, the ball came early. We snapped
early within that snap. That was when we got the
intestional grounding. Nice job by those guys. Great situation to football,
great play. Hey, we clapping simulated our snap, got to
snap the ball and that's what a ball was snapped
earlier Mike when he wasn't ready for snap.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Brady, what's Raheem Morris really saying here?
Speaker 7 (15:01):
They cheated? They're cheaters.
Speaker 8 (15:03):
They cheated and always have been, always will be f
them guys.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah that's all I got to say about it, all right?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, LeVar, what what? What's Raheem really saying?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
This one is simple? A Mike, stop hollering at my
side pieces, man, Look, don't it shouldn't. It shouldn't transit's
transition over it to the game on the field. What,
let's stop simulating all of these weird ass stay away
(15:36):
from my chick, Mike, that's my side piece.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Jonas. Yeah, what what's what's Raheem really saying?
Speaker 10 (15:48):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I thought we'd be way better than this, and it
can't be because we're just not good.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's got to be something else.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
They're doing something to kind of cheat us and and
screw us out of this whole situation. And uh, I myself,
I am a little perplexed that we were even able
to keep the game within five and a half, which
may have burned some people on two pros and a
cup of Joe. But still, going back to the clapping thing,
I think they're cheating. It's got to be that because
(16:17):
it can't be anything on the field from us because
I was hired over Bill Belichick, who's the greatest coach
in the history of the league. They chose me over him. Clearly,
this is not a me problem. It's a them problem,
and they're trying to cheat the system.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Oh ud Man, I'm just telling you, man, he was
telling them. Listen, you remember this, You remember hearing this
this this, uh this audio? You remember that audio? Rah,
I'm just telling y'all, man, stay away, it's shady. I
(16:54):
don't like it. Stay away from that's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That piece, all right.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Let's the clapping taking plays. Here is my clapping, dag.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Let's let's look at some postgames sound from week nine.
Let's try something that's just a super generic cut. This
is from Brian Schottenheimer after the Cowboys lost to the
Cardinals on Monday night.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
We gotta play better offensively. We're better than, you know,
ten points, which is all we scored. Great job by
Sam on the punt block, special teams, but for us
to score ten points offensively is not the standard. And
no one's no one's happy about.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That, all right, LeVar.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
I just feel like that's pretty candid, man, Like it's
hard to poke fun at that. Like he's telling the truth.
They are better than ten points. Dak is actually having
a good year, and and this this offense has pickings
and ceede lamb on it. They are better than ten points.
That's I take this one as this This is pretty literal.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Oh yeah, Brady, what's the Shottenneimer saying here?
Speaker 7 (18:00):
I think he's uh, I think this is what he's saying.
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They're offered with sleep Dang.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Jonas, What is Brian really saying here?
Speaker 1 (18:28):
We just got torched by Jacoby Brissett? Can I get
some help on defense?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
All right?
Speaker 1 (18:33):
And why'd you make me hire Maddie Refluse just because
he coached here for years in the past. Like, if
I'm not gonna be given full autonomy on the job
to be able to make decisions here, and and you
go ahead and after you announce me as the head
coach and give me the opportunity you trade away our
best player on defense, I'm gonna lead.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Need a little more help than that.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
All sort of point out the fact that we only
scored a certain amount of points, but I'll leave out
the fact that we've been scoring a lot of points
all year long. But we can't STF anybody, So, y'all
giving up a lot of points. Yeah, I got to reverse.
I got to put it in reverse. Yeah, Okay, there
we go. That is the uh, the first installment of.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Coach speak here on the show.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
All right, So I'm just going to be outrageous from
here on out? Why not, just so everyone knows I
will never be literal ever again. On this segment, I
am going to choose the most outlandish story that I
can possibly think of, So just just make sure I
don't get sued or held accountable for any of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Well, I mean, if they're not going to be fourth, right,
then you know, anybody's guess is as good as anybody else's.
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So we talked about this a little bit with Dean
Blandino when he joined us a couple of days ago
on the show about the Frankie Louvu hip drop tackle
(21:27):
that was a one game suspension handed out violation by
the NFL in the past couple of days. And then
upon further review, Derek Brooks, who was in charge of
handling the appeal, he heard Frankie Louver's appeal. They've now
instead wiped away the one game suspension, but they fined
(21:49):
him one hundred thousand dollars. Geez, so I guess game
check would have been a little over five hundred thousand dollars.
So at least it saved him a little bit of
coin there. But here was Frankie Luvu of the commanders
talking about his style of play and his reputation.
Speaker 13 (22:04):
My peers is looking towards me and kind of like, oh,
we don't respect frank lucause he's a thirty you know,
and all those lines or whatever.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
The people thinking you're a dirty player.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
The headlines may be, but you know, I mean, my
teammates know who I am. The people that know me
and the people that know around me know who I
am as a player as a person, and none of
my attentions are trying to get out there and trying
to hurt somebody.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So part of this was the fact that this was
the third time he had done it, so repeat violations.
But the one in question on Sunday night, I think,
you know what, we even discussed this with Blandino, like
it happened so fast. The idea that that was a
blatant hip drop tackle. I just I didn't get it,
and apparently Derek Brooks didn't either, so he gets popped
(22:45):
one hundred K.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
But it saves him a game check.
Speaker 8 (22:49):
Dude, I don't I don't think any of them are
necessarily intentional.
Speaker 7 (22:52):
I think it's more of a habit or.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
A technique that he's developed what he's in certain positions
just to get guy down on the ground.
Speaker 7 (23:01):
I mean, let's be honest about what this is.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
Defenders have had to adjust consolated rule changes and even
the technique in which they've changed to try to make
the game safer. I have said this for a long
time now. Getting the head out of football, to me
is the wrong message that you're sending. You wear a
helmet for a reason. And then for a long period
(23:24):
of time, there was a way in which tackling was
taught head up, eyes up, see what you hit, and
making sure your head is in a strong or your
spine's at a strong stable position. You know when your
spine's not in a strong stable position when you try
to lean your head to the left or right and
you try to aim and attack at his engine, his legs,
(23:46):
and then you subject your own neck as the tackler
to be injured or your own head as well because
it's not in a strong position. So most tackles are
made on angles and a job.
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Of a defensive players to get the guy on the ground.
Speaker 8 (24:03):
So I don't know that any player is consciously thinking,
I can't wait to hip drop tackle this player and
injure him.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
In those moments. He's doing his job. He's trying to
get the player to the ground.
Speaker 8 (24:15):
And I understand they're trying to like eliminate this technique
of doing so, But at the end of the day,
this comes down to a guy's or a man's job
being getting that guy down on the ground, and a
defender is going to do it by whatever means necessary
because that's his job.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I just I look at this and.
Speaker 8 (24:35):
I think now, because he's done it, you know, a
few times before, a couple of times before, people are
quick to react to it. It's no different than like
Draymond Green in the NBA. As soon as he starts
to talk to an official, they're quick to give him
a tee. Why because he's got a history of it.
So now they're assuming that anything he says, anything he's done,
warrants that that they're not. Every tackle, not every game,
(24:57):
not every play is all the same, and they're trying
to change his habit of how he's made some of
his hits in the past and eliminate this particular tackle.
Stop trying to teach tackling how you do now, because
every single time they teach these angle tackles, they're trying
to take their head out of it. You subject the player,
especially if they end up aiming behind, he's gonna be
(25:18):
able to try to grab in some type of way
and swing his body to get the guy down.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
Otherwise he's the ball care is going to carry him
for four or five yards.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
I just I think there's a big issue right now
to me with the way we're teaching tackling and how
it then applies to what we're seeing, or how the
hip drop tackle has come along. I think it's a
byproduct of some of the technique being taught.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I'll start by saying there is no exact there is
no exact perfect way to tackle, and people may say, well,
what does that mean. The reasoning behind it is is
there's too many variables that go into a play that
dictate how you're able to approach the person the ball carrier.
(26:09):
So there isn't an exact Okay, soon as he catches
the ball, this is exactly the way you approach it.
This is how you make contact. It doesn't work that way.
Some guys run higher than others. Some guys are taller
than others. Some guys are shorter than others. Some guys
are bigger than others, some guys are smaller. It's too
many different variables. And Louvu's case and this tackle that
(26:34):
he just made that he got fined for, which I'm
curious as to why he would get fined. One hundred
thousand dollars. That was his momentum. His momentum carried him
that way. He ran from an outside angle, he made
contact with the ball carrier. He's holding on to the
ball carrier because again the conversation with Dean Blandino that
(26:58):
was thrown out there, if you let the guy go
so that you don't get what is perceived to be
a hip drop, a hip drop technique, then you missed
the tackle. And it's okay for you to miss the
tackle because you let him go for safety purposes where
(27:21):
you don't get labeled as a dirty player or a
hip drop technique like that's that's pretty that's pretty crazy
to me.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
You can't drag him down, and you can't drive him down.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Again, if you can't drag a guy down, if you
can't drag a guy down, I don't like you're you're
really really making it difficult. And again you see you
see the benefits of it because you see more runners
have success in running the ball because these defenders don't
(27:56):
really know. It's just hard to ackle somebody anymore. It
really is. If if I have to tackle a guy
that's smaller than me, he's most likely going to be
as quick or quicker than I am. That's hard to
try to figure out an open space how you're going
to tackle a person legally. It's it's it's an added
(28:19):
thought process. It's difficult. And at the pro level, that's
like you're you're asking guys to do things that are unrealistic.
And and maybe that's what what the rules are for.
Maybe it is to make it unrealistic for defenders to
be able to legitimately be able to defend. And maybe
(28:40):
that's the hidden secret of it all, like keep putting
rules in play, say it's for safety purposes, but in reality,
you're you're making it easier for players. And then when
a player and and and now that I'm saying this
out loud, maybe that's why it's the one hundred thousand
dollars fine. You know that that's There's no way that
hits should have been a fine. There's no way that
(29:02):
hit should have been a penalty. There's no way that
the kids should have been suspended. It's just that was
a good hit. He came from an outside angle, he
ran up on him. The guy's going forward, he's running
from the side diagonally, so his body and his momentum
is carrying, carrying him across the back of his body, like,
(29:25):
you gotta get in position to try to make the
tackle as best you can. How fast is the guy?
How quick is the guy? Like, there's all these different
aspects of going into a tackle and what that looks like,
and it's just not it's people can sit back and
talk about how difficult it is or how it should look.
(29:45):
You can you can rewind slow mode, Da da da.
You can put these diagrams in effect as much as
you like, but clearly you don't understand what it feels
like to be on the field with some of these
guys trying to do your job. And the simplest thing
that a defender is supposed to do is tackle. It's tackle,
(30:10):
and so to me, you make it more difficult. You
find him one hundred grand. That's a that's a message.
That's what that is like. Don't tackle like this. If
you see what Luvu did, don't tackle like this because
you don't want to lose one hundred grand. You don't
want to risk missing a game. You don't want to
miss losing a game. Check. That's all this is is
you're sending a message to the other defenders to stop
(30:33):
tackling a certain type of way. I just think it's
it's sad.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So if they're telling you you can't do the hip
drop because you're gonna get suspended a game and you're
going to miss your five hundred plus thousand dollars game check,
all right, then what do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, well, you've seen you We've seen these these videos
that pop up where you'll see a guy like pull up,
you know, like it. Basically, what you're saying is is
if you don't don't have the right angle, like this
is real, This is like real talk. If you do
not have the right angle to go tackle somebody, then
don't tackle them. And I'm just saying it sounds crazy, right,
(31:12):
it sounds crazy, But we have there have been videos
that have popped up where you see guys pull up.
You see them pull up. It's amazing to me. So basically,
what you're saying is is a guy has to be
in front of you, in front of you, and he
(31:33):
has to attack you for the tackle from in front
of you. Because if you attack somebody from the side,
if God forbid, you have to run somebody down from
the side, an angle from behind anything that you do
is generally going to be some type of up to
interpretation of if you're executing a legal tackle. That's what
(31:58):
this says to me.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I can't image imagine that the thought of Frankie Louvu
when he goes into you know, when this was Jackson
Smith and Jigba. I can't imagine in that moment he's thinking, Oh,
I want to rip this guy's knee up. I could
understand if you were going if it was a direct
shot at his kneecap and you you were going to
take him out and you were going low, which.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I want to totally hit him down. Every defender is
thinking to themselves, I want to get him down. So
that's how hard you hit somebody. That's different, right like,
but getting like somebody down with your momentum, which that's
what he did. You're supposed to use your momentum to
try to get somebody down. That's what you're supposed to do.
(32:39):
Use your momentum. If I'm running up on you, if
I got to grab you by your shoulder pads, I
want to use my momentum to get you down. That
might be my only way of getting you down. You
heard Q say using your neck and extending your neck
and getting your head in the way, like I'm not
(33:00):
doing that, so I can if I can make the
tackle without having to get my neck all the way
involved in doing it, I want to make contact. If
you want to know the proper contact point, it's your chest,
your chest. The proper aiming point is the shoulders. You
(33:21):
attack the balance zone of a ball carrier to impede
their forward progress, to throw their balance off. If I
can throw your balance off, then from there I got
to see what I can do to get you down.
So if I strike your shoulder, then now I'm grabbing
your shoulders, I'm wrapping you up, and then now I'm
(33:42):
trying to use my momentum to force your shoulders to
take your body down. And some guys that's in theory,
it sounds good and it makes sense, but they might
be strong enough to withstand your your contact and your
your leverage of trying to use your mo mentum to
pull them down. Some guys can break that. So you're
(34:04):
not even like you got guys like Saquon and guys
squatting shobb and autumn squatting the god dang world on
on a on a squat rack on a bar and
you're saying we got to figure out how exactly to
hit them where it doesn't constitute it being uh interpreted
as a hip drop. Hey, come on, man, if somebody's
(34:25):
hip dropping the tackle, you can see a guy that
grabs a guy, pulls them and sits down on the
back of their legs. Just go look at Roy Williams.
Roy Williams was the master of hip that. If you
want to call it hip dropping whatever, I think it's
crazy to even give it a name. Horse the dude,
(34:47):
well horse, he will horse callar you, pull you back
and then sit on your legs to get you down.
Like that's that? That to me? The horse collar tackle.
I get that, even though I'm like, hey, if you
could catch a guy from behind and you could get
a hold of the back, I made a living off
of that, so most of the plays I would have
(35:08):
made would have been penalties. I'm gonna run you down
if I could get a hold of the back of
your pads. I'm gonna I'm gonna yank you down by
the back of your pads. I don't see why that
should be a problem either, man. It's fine if it's
if you want to call it, make it a penalty,
and make it illegal. That's fine, because guys did eventually
start throwing their bodies into their legs. But for some guys,
(35:31):
I didn't throw my body, I didn't drop my my
my butt onto the back of their legs. When I
when I horse collar guys, I just pulled them. I
pulled them down. I got a back, a hold of
the back of their pads and held on to it
and use my momentum to pull them down. My body
never touched them. I never had to use my head,
didn't have to use my shoulders. I got a hold
(35:53):
of their pads and I pulled them down. So I
just think that creating all of these conversations about players
safety and how you got to tackle, and all these
different focuses on the defense, I think it just takes away.
It really takes away from the game, man. It really does,
because you're taking away the essence of what football represents.
(36:13):
Football is about moving the ball down the field and
another group trying to stop them from doing it, and
doing it ends to play by the person hitting the
ground or incomplete pass. You gotta tackle, You gotta be
able to tackle.
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Speaker 3 (39:13):
I told you I got kicked in the face and
that was it for me. I wanted to face mask
in a helmet to protect me if I was going
to be out there or basketball good. I just stopped,
stopped growing. I told you, I dove for a ball,
the ball was hit, the ball was thrown to me
to tag, you know, just catch the ball, routine, catch
(39:34):
the ball, tag the base like you're out at first
like generally, right, I was first baseman. They throw a
wild pat wild ball, and I died for the ball
and I get the ball, and I don't know why
this person decided to slide in the first base, but
(39:54):
they did they slid in the first base and kicked
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holding my face that looked like I got punched like
by it like it was bad. Yeah, kick right in
the face, man, any blood? I don't remember if there
was blood, it probably was. I mean it was a
(40:16):
cleat and my face was swollen, bruh like it was
swollen like I got punched by Mike Tyson. Looked like
my face blew up. And I had to go to
church the next day, so I wore sunglasses into the church.
So immediately upon walking into the church, everybody's like, what happened?
What happened? Before to even see it because they I
got sunglasses on, so I take where sunglasses.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
When I was with Okay, I didn't wear cap. That
was a pretty fancy hat though it.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Was Yeah, well we weren't inside. We weren't inside, you know.
When I went to church, we were inside and I
had sunglasses on, and that was before wearing sunglasses was cool.
But I took it off and everybody was like, damn,
it was bad. Never played again.
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