October 5, 2022 • 38 mins
Mike Tomlin officially announces Kenny Pickett the starter but stops short of putting blame on Mitch Trubisky. The NFL confirms Cameron Brate was hit in the shoulder and not the head before his concussion, leading to an honest conversation about the handling of injuries. Plus, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
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we've got an update on a situation we have been
monitoring closely for well, we'll go back to we've been
monitoring this since late April on draft night, when the
very next morning we talked about it was only a
matter of time. It was only a matter of time
before they made the decision in Pittsburgh to get with
Kenny Pickett. There were some rumblings that was going to
happen yesterday. There was a report it was gonna happen yesterday.
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And then Mike Tomlin, the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
he stepped up talked to the media about the decision
to yes, in fact named Kenny pick At the starting
quarterback and also maybe take a little bit of the
blame off one Mitch ter Whisky. We made the change.
Obviously Mitch's performance was a component of the decision, but
not the only component of the decision. And I just
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want to be really clear there um. Oftentimes the quarterback
position gets too much credit, too much blame. We haven't
moved the ball fluidly enough to our liking, We hadn't
put enough points on the board. The quarterback as a
component of that, but but not the only component. We've
all got to absorb um the responsibility that comes with
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what we're what we haven't done, particularly in that phase,
including myself and starting with myself, And so when you
make a quarterback change, you're really sensitive to that component
of it. Because I don't want to dump the responsibility
of what transpired. It at Mitch's feet. That's not fair
to him. He's played better than that description, but we haven't.
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And so, in an effort to be better, in an
effort to score more points, in an effort to move
the ball more fluidly, we decided to go to Kenny
and in the hopes that he would provide a spark
for us. You kind of feel bad for Drabsky a
little bit, like he just was in an impossible that's rough.
You could also feel bad for for Picket. To be honest,
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if you're thinking, I mean, here's the possibilities that could
play out, is that the offense is what everybody is
saying it is under the current offensive coordinator, you could
possibly feel bad about where his career is aiding it
just says what it is you gotta take. You gotta
take whatever those those circumstances and those conditions are, and
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you gotta try to make the best of them the
best way that you can. Here's here's what I'd say
about this whole situation. Something at this point, Mike Tomlin
is the type of he's a great coach. He's he's
one of the best in the NFL. Has been for
a long time. Some people felt like and Ben Roethlisberger
actually reportedly said this, he was surprised this change happened
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so quick. What that tells me is Mike Thomas looking
for answers. There are one of three football team, their
team that's got high espirations. He's never experienced a losing season,
and I don't think he wants to start now. And
so Whiskey gets the hook after the first quarter of
the season. And I'll tell you what, if I'm at
Canada and things don't turn around, maybe he gets the
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hook next because I don't think Mike Toman's gonna put
up with another four or five games. If pickets trying
to play well, there's just there's no creativity, there's nothing open.
They start to diagnose that these are some bad play calls,
which again, but I'm not the only one. Uh, there's
there's other actual one. Like there's some further former quarterbacks
online who are like dissecting this tape and being like,
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what's the concept here? Like what's what what are we
trying to accomplish? What are we doing? I want to say,
it's like J. T. O. Sullivan has a has a
good account. If you want to go search that out
on Twitter and find it, you'll see him being very critical.
But the point is, I don't think Mike Tomlin is
gonna be patient if this doesn't look good next four
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or five weeks, and then not so much where he's like, oh,
let's go back to m Trabisky or let's put in
another quarterback. More so to the point of we we've
got to do. We've got to make change offensively, and
clearly our play caller is not working. But this was
gonna be the way it all worked out once you
drafted Kenny Pickett. It was gonna be Travisky with a
short hook and he would take the blame, even though
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Tomas trying to defuse some of that. Pickett comes in
and if he's not gonna get done, it's gonna be
the offensive coordinator next. And you know it's crazy about
it too. This is it for Travsky as far as
like the legitimate starting opportunity in the league outside of injury.
This is it, Like just like this, put in put
in a spot where the coach needs to make a
change to instill some fire into his team and and
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try and get something going. Everybody recognizing there's some flaws
with the offensive coordinator, and it's the quarterback who's now
going to have his career borderline derailed because of this
whole situation. And then then I'll never be talked about you.
You had to have known that when you signed the deal. Especially,
it wasn't no, it's not even when they drafted. It's
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when he signed the deal. That's not starter money. That's
not starter money. That's what's Matt Ryan getting paid this
year to the Colts. Oh god, I need to look
it up. Like when they brought him in, like they
were like, all right, we're gonna absorb this and we're
gonna pay him this money. That's starter money. I mean,
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even Jimmy Garoppolo's restructured contract is one in which if
and when he plays, he can retain some of what
he lost. Like he's gonna be making a crapload more
each week as he plays and as they win. So
it's just on the on the four on the At
the very onset of him signing there, I was always
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skeptical that he was gonna be the guy, just because
the money talks, and he wasn't getting the contract that
was going to cause them to really own up to
being the guy this year for its entirety, and then
you have to Kenny pick a draft pick that kind
of sealed that too. It was interesting hearing some of
the other players like Pat friar Muth was talking to
the media and he was talking about, you know, it
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gets aggressiveness, They can be more aggressive when he's in
the game. Deante Johnson was talking about command of the
huddle that you know, he really commands the attention of all.
Do you think Robinsky being a quarterback, knowing the situation,
knowing that heat was on, do you think at a
certain point he was just trying not to screw up,
like as opposed to just going out there and playing
I don't want to make the critical air or critical
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mistake that's going to cost me and ultimately end up
did costing of his job. Not entirely his fault, but
do you think he went out there with a little
bit of hesitation knowing clock's ticking. Everybody wants the guy
behind me, Fans or cheer and for him. In the preseason,
they've been they've been clamoring for in the first couple
of weeks, do you think that played into risky perform.
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I mean, that's the point of it. If you're playing well,
then you don't have to hear the mob. The mob
always wants the next best thing, especially when they're not
seeing what they want. So to me, if you're saying
that he was playing playing not to lose his job,
or he's playing with with this premise, in this notion
that the clock is ticking and I only have so
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much time, so I don't want to jack it up,
I would think that it would be the opposite. The
question to me is are you going to run the
same exact plays that got Mitch Mitch Robiski in the
current scenario that he has played out for him right
now with the current the new starter of the team,
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are you putting him in a position where they're going
to be booing him? Are you putting him in a
position where they're going I mean, they're already Pittsburgh fans
are already talking about up time for Mike Tomlin to go,
already up time for him to go, like what, he'll
be out of work for fifteen seconds. But that's how
fans operate. Fans operate that that's why you can't listen.
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You can't base it off of that. So if he
if he's basing like his performances off of something that,
you know, not not wanting to mess up or what
people may think and people booing and sharing to have
somebody else come out, you're already losing. I think that's
the point. But by the way, your first start in
the NFL, and we're gonna send you to Buffalo on
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the road. Have fun with that. I mean talking about
being thrown in the fire. Here we go. Yeah, you're
your four team point underdogs on the road. Have fun
up in Buffalo. That'll be that'll be a good time.
You got any advice for Kenny Pickett there, Brady, anything
you want to worry about making your first first career
start against the team that was favored to win the
Super Bowl going into the season. Any any advice for Kenny? Look,
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he's getting them at at a decent time. I mean,
that's a team that's got some players missing on defense. Um,
so that helps a little bit. It's not like Buffalo
has has quite looked themselves the past two weeks. Obviously
got back on track last week in Baltimore. I mean,
conditions played a role in their offense not looking quite
the same, but you know, they dropped one to Miami,
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So I think if you're looking at it, you know,
maybe it's a good time to catch off flow at
this point before they get back healthy. With some of
the guys. I don't know, but the biggest thing is
you just can't look as a as a rookie quarterback,
any quarterback on the road, especially in your first start.
You can't allow that crowd to get into it. You can't,
you know, make one of those mistakes like that's a
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group that they can rush the past and then cover. Well.
The last thing you want to do is pressing for
something because you're trying to come in and make up
for what's your offense hasn't been with Mitch Robinski and
so now you're the guy that's gonna come in and
force the ball downfield, you throw a couple of picks,
you're gonna learn really quick games over, especially on the
road like that. So that's the last thing you want
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to do is give them short fields that offense short
fields give them extra opportunities and then be in a
position where you're going in a one dimensional mode going
up against the team that's got depth as far as
their pass rush and has a deep secondary that yeah,
they've they've taken on some injuries, but they can still
cover down and make your life miserable. So it sounds like, hey,
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don't I'm not saying go out there and play conservative.
I'm just saying don't press. Like when something's not there,
take what you can get moved on to the next play.
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all right? So coming up later on this hour, we're
gonna hand out some midweek awards here. It is the good,
the bad, and the ugly and we will get into
that fun discussion for you again a little over twenty
minutes from now here on fs are. So the reaction
to to Ah going down with the head injury, coming
back into the game against the Buffalo Bills, all of that,
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it's increased this heightened look at players with head injuries
and players with head trauma and whether or not they
should be allowed back in games, etcetera, etcetera. And you
saw a lot of players that were pulled into the
blue tent, some players that were ruled out and things
like that over the course of the weekend in the NFL.
So this has been the big topic of conversation here
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when it comes to the National Football League, and it
comes to just sort of their awareness and and everybody
wanting to make sure that everybody is is safe and
everybody's looked after and not put into harm's way. When
it comes to some of the head injuries and all
that at so one of them that played out on
national television was Cameron Braid, the tight end for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who appeared to take a shot in
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the head and then went out, went to the blue tent,
came back in, and then it was ultimately ruled out
at halftime. So this was there was a statement that
was released. Um, this came from a little bit of
an investigation into this. But let's hear first from Todd Bowls,
the head coach who had to address this scenario playing
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out on Monday. When it came to Cameron Braid, they
went on the sideline, he complained the shoulder discomfort, nothing
about his head. He was checked out three times. He
just said give him a minute. Nothing came up. He
went back into the end at half. At halftime he
started having symptoms. Obviously they were delayed, and he started
complaining about that. They tested him. He's in the protocol
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and we kept him out the rest of the game.
So Todd bowl said that, and then a lot of
people were a little bit upset that they didn't do more.
Why should be allowed in the game to begin with?
And then it comes and turns out that after the
Players Association looked into this further, apparently they determined and
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the spotters determined after the league reviewed the information, that
he was actually hit in the shoulder and not the head. Therefore,
that's why it did not trigger somebody to look into
a potential headshot at the time. And there was no
spotter that called this out from upstairs during the actual incident.
So apparently there's no reason for him to go into
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the concussion protocol because there wasn't a hit sustained to
the head or neck area, right, that's how that works,
And so hit him in the shoulder, right, So the
people upstairs who were reviewing it, they didn't see that contact,
and so they weren't you know, they didn't make anyone
aware of it down on the sidelines, and so there
was no need to. It wasn't until if a player
then exhibits or comes off the field explaining that they're
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they're suffering those symptoms, then that enters enters them into
the and cushion protocol. But this one highlights a couple
of things. The first that we people on the outside
who think they know, like what's happening. Just need to
calm down. There's medical professionals, there's teams, there's everyone who's
trying to get this right. All right, there's protocols in place,
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when followed properly, of the times they're handled it the
proper way. You know, there's a few instances that are unique,
that are different that might not be handled the right way. Okay.
The other thing is, you know, players play a role
in it. And Cameron Braid, who's a smart guy. I
believe it's a Harvard guy. I'm not mistaken. He's a
guy who's you know, he's gonna come off and he's
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gonna say, I'm suffering symptoms to this, it's in my
best interest not to play. He easily could have not
said anything, and he easily could have played through it
if he wanted to. He chose not to. You know,
that's that's really the biggest hurdle that I think players
have to get through as far as how they're you know,
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I guess addressing injuries is there. They're a big equation
of it. Maybe the biggest that when they're suffering symptoms,
they have to be the one that you know, comes
out and says this is what I'm experiencing. Something's not right,
you know, I I need to take a moment, I
need to be looked at by the doctors, and then
you go from there. There's still a lot of guys
who would rather not say anything and play through it.
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And that's just the reality of either the situation that
they're in or their mentality when it comes to football.
That's just the truth. I think in some cases at
this point now where the knowledge of of of at
least awareness of what concussions are. You're not saying seeing
stars anymore. You're not saying I wrung my bail, got
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my bail wrung. You're actually aware of the fact that
this is a serious injury, and it's whether whether I
can make sense of it or not in the moment.
If I if I can't remember a play, if I
can't remember you know where I'm at, or I'm feeling nauseated,
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or I need to vomit, or whatever the symptoms that
that you exhibit during the course of that that time.
I think it's way more acceptable to be open about
your symptoms and what you're feeling. I mean, nobody's gonna
if you at at the pro level or or sometimes
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even the college level, maybe not every single person, but
especially at the pro level. If you think somebody's trying
to get out of playing in the game, which would
be the only reason why you would say, okay, like
why do you not want to go back in? You
can go back in? Why are you not going back in?
You don't want to play? Like of course, of course
they want to play. So if a person is telling
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you that they're they're feeling a certain type of you know,
symptom connected to connected to what a concussion like symptom is,
then I think that doctors and coaches alike, medical staff
are all going to be more more sensitive to to
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those those claims and to those those communications than they
have been in the past. I think when I was playing,
if you told somebody, man, I don't feel well, like
like I feel nauseated and and I got a headache,
they'll give you, uh, you know, PEPs it PEPs it
for your your belly and and tell you you know,
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you'll be fine and go back into the game. And
that's what we did. So I think that the players
that are more aware and are are willing to say, listen,
something isn't right. So I can't go back in. I
think that that's not as that would be frowned upon
and and at a certain point in time in the
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league where I don't think that that would be so
much frowned upon. At this point, if you're saying, I
feel I'm feeling something and I don't feel right, and
even though I didn't get hitting the hit, it feels
like I've been concussed, I can't go back out there.
I think that people will be a little bit more.
I would assume that they have to be more considerate
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and more sensitive to to the player in those moments
now more than ever. Like you guys, known people that
you've be on to school with, who if they get
the sniffles, the world shuts down right like they're not
coming in, they're not doing anything. They're not Yeah, they're
just not not interested. I mean, there are some people who,
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and maybe they're putting others at risk by showing up
in public places with a cold or with a flu
or whatever that they just prefer as opposed to sitting
at home. I'd rather just work through it and kind
of deal with it. It doesn't I don't think it
makes them bad. I don't think it makes them reckless.
I think in the NFL you're gonna have guys who
just want to go out and play, Like Cameron Brad
We talked about hinz Ward. What was the hines Ward move?
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Pretend like you had a calf cramp, like he've said
it himself, Like, yeah, I would pretend. I just think
it's at some point everybody's got their own life to live,
and everybody understands the risks of what could happen when
you go out. They don't, That's the thing, and that
was the know I still think people can be smart
as hell and not no really the INDs and outs
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of what a concussion can do to you long term
that I just think people understand the risk, and I
think they look at it and go, I want to play.
You can understand the risk of getting hurt, like getting
injured and getting injured badly. But when you say understand
the risk, I don't think the vast majority of guys
understand sometimes the long lasting impacts of what concussions can
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lead to. Right. Well, but that's that's a part two
because they're young and they don't really get until they
get there when they get older, right, I mean, you
ask a lot of guys now, and I think they're
frustrated that they weren't better educated, or they weren't better
prepare to handle it because they didn't know, or they
were ignorant to it, or they weren't educated enough on
it and they should have been. I mean, you could
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also make the case that, you know, maybe the NFL
didn't know to a degree, but I think they have
for a while. It's just there wasn't a lot of
follow up and research on like, you know, players and
head injuries and all of that. I mean, we're still
learning a lot about CT about you know, head injuries
and how it affects players long term. So that's the
tough part is it's hard to tell a player who's
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twenty two four years old who's in the NFL how
it's going to affect them when they're fifty five and
and and by the way, to get them to care
about that. Like, if you're telling a young person right now, hey,
don't do this, don't take that because it could impact
you when you're five, how many of them are I mean,
think about even not to get off on a tangent,
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but think about like our society and how we spend money.
I mean, hey, save this, because when you're fifty five,
you'll be in a much better position. How many of
those kids are like, screw that, I'm gonna I'm gonna
spend that money now. I'm gonna take a vacation, go
out and party, do whatever. I'm not worried about one
fifty five. There's not a lot of people who think
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that way at that age. So I just I think
it's harder to when you're in it and in the
midst of it, there's that that warrior mentality, competitors mentality.
It's it's sometimes hard, even when the education is there
to get people who want to make that right decision.
You don't want to lose your job, you know that
could that could challenge your job security coming out. I
mean people might say it with with Dak loses job
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to Cooper Rush different injury. I mean, he's trying to
Wally Pip Dak Prescott. So there you go. I'm just saying,
if you, if you, if your head is what was
the what was the Wally Pip store? Was he at
a cold that day? I don't really like I don't
remember specifically what he had. Um, I don't I don't.
I don't know. It wasn't like something simple like a cold. Yeah,
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I don't think COVID was around back then, so I
don't think it was cod have been something different though
the common It was COVID back then. Yeah, so someone
argue but anyways, but argue but like, yeah, you had
some sort of an issue and then yeah, see you
know all gone, we're gonna go and wrap this up
on his time, and he got now he's a headache. Yeah.
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Where we're at now, where we're at now, this is
an interesting place to be. This is an interesting territory
because you want players to be empowered to speak up
when they sustain one of these types of injuries. But
now it's like, well, what if you have multiple guys,
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I mean, you think about it, offensive lineman, a defensive lineman,
a linebacker. Chances are you could like guys could be
put in a position where they get banged up in
a way where you could say, I got a headache,
I got I got like something doesn't feel right. You're
out there banging. So where does the the medical staff
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and what you're what they believe is you're clearing protocols
and you're okay, to play versus a player saying I
don't feel right, I'm not going back in like, it's
going to create an interesting dynamic of sorts, possibly because
I mean a player has to be able to speak
up and say, man, I don't feel right. What what
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what gets bad about it is? You know what they
do in your contract when you have one too many concussions?
I guess what they avoid out any guarantees there and
if you missed time doing a concussion that it's no
different than taking a waiver out of any other injuries.
Like I remember the last contract I signed with the Dolphins,
I had a waiver out on my back. I mean,
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my agent literally had to send me a letter that said,
I am not advising you to sign this contract because
it does not uphold the things that we believe in
and we believe you should agree to if you want
to play, because it puts you at risk with injury.
Because basically said, you know, if if I had any
injury to my back, you know these are the stipulations.
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But I wasn't getting paid if there's any injury that
was directly related to my back because I was coming
out of back surgery. Wasn't gonna get paid, would only
pay for rehab with with that team, only with their doctors,
couldn't be with anyone else outside, which usually everyone gets
surgery somewhere else. And there's all these stipulations I had.
I had a couple of concussions. I had a few
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you know, diagnosed concussions that are on there too. There
are all these things that were within the contract, and
like literally my agent sends me a letter, I have
to sign it and then go sign the contract if
I wanted to go play, because that was at the position,
that was the point of my career that I was in.
And so that's the hard part is if you're a player,
you know they find out about these things because well,
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you you helped tell them, you help be a part
of the process. But then they use it back against
you when you have to sign some of these agreements.
So I think that's the tough part is for the
employer because your your health is part of it. You've
got to find a way of protecting the athlete from saying, like,
I want to be able to tell them when somebody's wrong,
but I also don't want them to use it against me,
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whether with this team or a future team in a
contract negotiation, and that's where it becomes the gray area.
That's where it becomes a difficult conversation. It's two Pros
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You know, what's an ail record? Don't depending that? Yeah, well,
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last evening. I actually, uh, I posted it. I don't
even post baseball, but I posted that. I don't want
to look back on that. I posted as well. Yeah,
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Aaron Judge hit eleven less home runs and barriers? I
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You know who knows? Well, I mean anybody smashing baseballs
on Mars at that point. I mean, if you think
about it, you know, Aaron Judge maybe have great great
grandkids that are riding the cotails of him breaking his
record yesterday. I think the more interesting part of it is.
The more interesting part of it is the fact that
he basically bet on himself this year. I was like,
(31:53):
all right, you don't want to give me a contract,
I'm gonna go out here and try and do this.
And then now he set himself up to where he's
getting a massive deal wherever he goes. Oh, he's gonna
get paid. Although I do I'm pretty sure LaVar completely
missed the first segments point. But that's all right. Something
far You have to understand the child of the dad
who accomplished something, he doesn't accomplish anything like. That's the
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whole point. It's it's the fact that he's living off
of what his father's accomplished. So in the scenario you
just played out, there's a clear misunderstanding because if if
Aaron judged son HiT's more home runs than him, he
would be accomplishing something. All right, Now, now do you
get I get that you have your logic, and I
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have mine. I'm I get it. I get what you're saying.
I just get what I get as well. You can
accomplish something, you know, it doesn't You don't necessarily have
to accomplish the same exact thing as your dad. Your
your dad could leave you something you could create. We
are a hundred percent on the same page there. I
think you're missing the point of what I was trying
to trying to point out. All right now, I was
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just Brady, what was the Big Ten Conference championship game?
That was Michigan Iowa last year? Correct? It was it?
So did Iowa get a ring for winning the Big Ten?
West's a good question. I don't know if they do
divisions anyway. You get a ring for Big Ten? Yeah,
not not Big ten Division. It's gonna say if they
played baseball, they'd be giving them rings. It's one half
(33:20):
of the league. I guess counts is an accomplishment. Now
based on the Aeron Judge record, you do get that
for your conference for conference? Yeah, but like your your
division and your conference. I mean, I mean, look, if
you're gonna get to the Big Ten championship game as
it currently stands, you gotta win your division don't get
there unless you win your division. Right now? Um, well, hey, listen,
all right, I mean I maybe I may be missing
(33:42):
the point on that too. Do you think they should
get they don't think you didn't win the conference, you
won your division, you shouldn't. They want to put them
in a championship game. They celebrate one half of the
league records. If you get a rank for winning your conference,
but you don't win a national title, I mean, what's
the difference? Conference is different though, all right? And we
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didn't get rings for that, nor did anyone who asked
for them. We've got T shirts and hats. I mean,
that's you know. I'm with the Lamar. He's his bussy
busting balls here, that's all. He's doing, a painting the ass.
What I'm Steve? All right? I am Steve. I don't
(34:26):
bus balls. I'm that fat hope. I don't I'm Steve
the fat hope fat. That's what I said. Can we
say that as a drop? Oh man? All right? What's
exactly what I said? Who's actually can't have good without
(34:49):
the bad? Jonas what was bad this week? The Indianapolis
culture bad. I don't get it. I don't understand. I
don't know. I look, I blamed Jim Rsy because he
he made me think that Carson once was the problem.
He made me think he was the problem. And now
you look back on just sort of the tie and
the opening week against the Texans, do you wonder you know,
(35:11):
this isn't the first time Indianapolis has played for a
tie and it's benefited him later in the year. They
did it a couple of years ago and everybody mocked him,
and I was like, Okay, well, you know, this isn't
the worst situation in the world. I just I look
at Indianapolis. I can't figure it out. Matt Ryan was
supposed to be brought in. They were supposed to be
ready with an offensive line and a running game and
a defense and all that, and they have not looked good.
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They are just bad throughout this portion of the season.
And then we get to see him play in a
short week against Denver, who's also banged up. Jonathan Taylor's
got his injuries now for Indie, I just I'm at
a loss for Indianapolis, totally whipped on them. They've been
bad thus far, really bad. Leslie Brady let us know
what was ugly this week well, there's a lot of
different directions I could go here. Um. I mean, obviously
(35:56):
we started off with the news of Tom Brady and Gizell.
Clearly that's it's gotten kind of ugly, both hiring divorce layers.
I don't want to got to dive into that personal Um.
I mean again, it's been some bad play. I don't
know that there's been worse offensive play than what I
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saw from the Iowa Hawk Eyes last That was just ugly.
I mean, nowhere else in America is a punter as
beloved as Tory Taylors in Iowa. I mean, I'll be
honest with you. When I was down in the field
watched him punt, I was like, I get it. It's beautiful.
I mean every single time, the spin, the positioning, the
(36:38):
hang time, it's all a work of art. But most
good teams with good offenses, you hardly know who your
punter is because they don't punt that much. The Iowa offense, O, man,
is he gonna get drafted? Oh? Is that good? Yes?
So he'll get drafted. Yes. I mean, we gotta have
(36:58):
something you can hang your hat on, you know. Yeah.
But I'm just saying the the offense is just it's
just ugly. It's really bad. But isn't that just kind
of who Iowa is? Like they used to be able
to at least have some like ability to run the
ball effectively and some play action or whatnot. It's just
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it's a culmination of things. Like they got a young
offensive line, especially on the right side, that's hurting them.
The quarterback has been inconsistent, you know, wide receivers left
in the portal. It's just a it's a bunch of things.
But yeah, that is it is ugly. Yeah, but you
know it though we are as a top ten team. Now,
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we've got a couple of big ones coming up. Man. Yeah,
well that's got a week before those start though, right, Yeah,
it's a week before. Yeah. Well, now guys are gonna
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one that was, uh, I my producer is a father,
which was funny because that I was actually joking about
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you guys were talking about. Yeah, protein chick. Yeah, how
much protein shake or like the exact one. No, it's
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But you know, he's a wild card and he's a
wild man. That's how it works. Where going to pass out?
You never you never do know. All Right, So, um,
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we've got an update on a situation we have been
monitoring closely for well, we'll go back to we've been
monitoring this since late April on draft night, when the
very next morning we talked about it was only a
matter of time. It was only a matter of time
before they made the decision in Pittsburgh to get with
Kenny Pickett. There were some rumblings that was going to
happen yesterday. There was a report it was gonna happen yesterday.
(03:40):
And then Mike Tomlin, the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
he stepped up talked to the media about the decision
to yes, in fact named Kenny pick At the starting
quarterback and also maybe take a little bit of the
blame off one Mitch ter Whisky. We made the change.
Obviously Mitch's performance was a component of the decision, but
not the only component of the decision. And I just
(04:02):
want to be really clear there um. Oftentimes the quarterback
position gets too much credit, too much blame. We haven't
moved the ball fluidly enough to our liking, We hadn't
put enough points on the board. The quarterback as a
component of that, but but not the only component. We've
all got to absorb um the responsibility that comes with
(04:22):
what we're what we haven't done, particularly in that phase,
including myself and starting with myself, And so when you
make a quarterback change, you're really sensitive to that component
of it. Because I don't want to dump the responsibility
of what transpired. It at Mitch's feet. That's not fair
to him. He's played better than that description, but we haven't.
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And so, in an effort to be better, in an
effort to score more points, in an effort to move
the ball more fluidly, we decided to go to Kenny
and in the hopes that he would provide a spark
for us. You kind of feel bad for Drabsky a
little bit, like he just was in an impossible that's rough.
You could also feel bad for for Picket. To be honest,
(05:03):
if you're thinking, I mean, here's the possibilities that could
play out, is that the offense is what everybody is
saying it is under the current offensive coordinator, you could
possibly feel bad about where his career is aiding it
just says what it is you gotta take. You gotta
take whatever those those circumstances and those conditions are, and
(05:24):
you gotta try to make the best of them the
best way that you can. Here's here's what I'd say
about this whole situation. Something at this point, Mike Tomlin
is the type of he's a great coach. He's he's
one of the best in the NFL. Has been for
a long time. Some people felt like and Ben Roethlisberger
actually reportedly said this, he was surprised this change happened
(05:46):
so quick. What that tells me is Mike Thomas looking
for answers. There are one of three football team, their
team that's got high espirations. He's never experienced a losing season,
and I don't think he wants to start now. And
so Whiskey gets the hook after the first quarter of
the season. And I'll tell you what, if I'm at
Canada and things don't turn around, maybe he gets the
(06:07):
hook next because I don't think Mike Toman's gonna put
up with another four or five games. If pickets trying
to play well, there's just there's no creativity, there's nothing open.
They start to diagnose that these are some bad play calls,
which again, but I'm not the only one. Uh, there's
there's other actual one. Like there's some further former quarterbacks
online who are like dissecting this tape and being like,
(06:30):
what's the concept here? Like what's what what are we
trying to accomplish? What are we doing? I want to say,
it's like J. T. O. Sullivan has a has a
good account. If you want to go search that out
on Twitter and find it, you'll see him being very critical.
But the point is, I don't think Mike Tomlin is
gonna be patient if this doesn't look good next four
(06:50):
or five weeks, and then not so much where he's like, oh,
let's go back to m Trabisky or let's put in
another quarterback. More so to the point of we we've
got to do. We've got to make change offensively, and
clearly our play caller is not working. But this was
gonna be the way it all worked out once you
drafted Kenny Pickett. It was gonna be Travisky with a
short hook and he would take the blame, even though
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Tomas trying to defuse some of that. Pickett comes in
and if he's not gonna get done, it's gonna be
the offensive coordinator next. And you know it's crazy about
it too. This is it for Travsky as far as
like the legitimate starting opportunity in the league outside of injury.
This is it, Like just like this, put in put
in a spot where the coach needs to make a
change to instill some fire into his team and and
(07:36):
try and get something going. Everybody recognizing there's some flaws
with the offensive coordinator, and it's the quarterback who's now
going to have his career borderline derailed because of this
whole situation. And then then I'll never be talked about you.
You had to have known that when you signed the deal. Especially,
it wasn't no, it's not even when they drafted. It's
(07:57):
when he signed the deal. That's not starter money. That's
not starter money. That's what's Matt Ryan getting paid this
year to the Colts. Oh god, I need to look
it up. Like when they brought him in, like they
were like, all right, we're gonna absorb this and we're
gonna pay him this money. That's starter money. I mean,
(08:17):
even Jimmy Garoppolo's restructured contract is one in which if
and when he plays, he can retain some of what
he lost. Like he's gonna be making a crapload more
each week as he plays and as they win. So
it's just on the on the four on the At
the very onset of him signing there, I was always
(08:39):
skeptical that he was gonna be the guy, just because
the money talks, and he wasn't getting the contract that
was going to cause them to really own up to
being the guy this year for its entirety, and then
you have to Kenny pick a draft pick that kind
of sealed that too. It was interesting hearing some of
the other players like Pat friar Muth was talking to
the media and he was talking about, you know, it
(09:00):
gets aggressiveness, They can be more aggressive when he's in
the game. Deante Johnson was talking about command of the
huddle that you know, he really commands the attention of all.
Do you think Robinsky being a quarterback, knowing the situation,
knowing that heat was on, do you think at a
certain point he was just trying not to screw up,
like as opposed to just going out there and playing
I don't want to make the critical air or critical
(09:21):
mistake that's going to cost me and ultimately end up
did costing of his job. Not entirely his fault, but
do you think he went out there with a little
bit of hesitation knowing clock's ticking. Everybody wants the guy
behind me, Fans or cheer and for him. In the preseason,
they've been they've been clamoring for in the first couple
of weeks, do you think that played into risky perform.
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I mean, that's the point of it. If you're playing well,
then you don't have to hear the mob. The mob
always wants the next best thing, especially when they're not
seeing what they want. So to me, if you're saying
that he was playing playing not to lose his job,
or he's playing with with this premise, in this notion
that the clock is ticking and I only have so
(10:03):
much time, so I don't want to jack it up,
I would think that it would be the opposite. The
question to me is are you going to run the
same exact plays that got Mitch Mitch Robiski in the
current scenario that he has played out for him right
now with the current the new starter of the team,
(10:24):
are you putting him in a position where they're going
to be booing him? Are you putting him in a
position where they're going I mean, they're already Pittsburgh fans
are already talking about up time for Mike Tomlin to go,
already up time for him to go, like what, he'll
be out of work for fifteen seconds. But that's how
fans operate. Fans operate that that's why you can't listen.
(10:48):
You can't base it off of that. So if he
if he's basing like his performances off of something that,
you know, not not wanting to mess up or what
people may think and people booing and sharing to have
somebody else come out, you're already losing. I think that's
the point. But by the way, your first start in
the NFL, and we're gonna send you to Buffalo on
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the road. Have fun with that. I mean talking about
being thrown in the fire. Here we go. Yeah, you're
your four team point underdogs on the road. Have fun
up in Buffalo. That'll be that'll be a good time.
You got any advice for Kenny Pickett there, Brady, anything
you want to worry about making your first first career
start against the team that was favored to win the
Super Bowl going into the season. Any any advice for Kenny? Look,
(11:33):
he's getting them at at a decent time. I mean,
that's a team that's got some players missing on defense. Um,
so that helps a little bit. It's not like Buffalo
has has quite looked themselves the past two weeks. Obviously
got back on track last week in Baltimore. I mean,
conditions played a role in their offense not looking quite
the same, but you know, they dropped one to Miami,
(11:55):
So I think if you're looking at it, you know,
maybe it's a good time to catch off flow at
this point before they get back healthy. With some of
the guys. I don't know, but the biggest thing is
you just can't look as a as a rookie quarterback,
any quarterback on the road, especially in your first start.
You can't allow that crowd to get into it. You can't,
you know, make one of those mistakes like that's a
(12:18):
group that they can rush the past and then cover. Well.
The last thing you want to do is pressing for
something because you're trying to come in and make up
for what's your offense hasn't been with Mitch Robinski and
so now you're the guy that's gonna come in and
force the ball downfield, you throw a couple of picks,
you're gonna learn really quick games over, especially on the
road like that. So that's the last thing you want
(12:40):
to do is give them short fields that offense short
fields give them extra opportunities and then be in a
position where you're going in a one dimensional mode going
up against the team that's got depth as far as
their pass rush and has a deep secondary that yeah,
they've they've taken on some injuries, but they can still
cover down and make your life miserable. So it sounds like, hey,
(13:00):
don't I'm not saying go out there and play conservative.
I'm just saying don't press. Like when something's not there,
take what you can get moved on to the next play.
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gonna hand out some midweek awards here. It is the good,
the bad, and the ugly and we will get into
that fun discussion for you again a little over twenty
minutes from now here on fs are. So the reaction
to to Ah going down with the head injury, coming
back into the game against the Buffalo Bills, all of that,
(14:26):
it's increased this heightened look at players with head injuries
and players with head trauma and whether or not they
should be allowed back in games, etcetera, etcetera. And you
saw a lot of players that were pulled into the
blue tent, some players that were ruled out and things
like that over the course of the weekend in the NFL.
So this has been the big topic of conversation here
(14:48):
when it comes to the National Football League, and it
comes to just sort of their awareness and and everybody
wanting to make sure that everybody is is safe and
everybody's looked after and not put into harm's way. When
it comes to some of the head injuries and all
that at so one of them that played out on
national television was Cameron Braid, the tight end for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who appeared to take a shot in
(15:09):
the head and then went out, went to the blue tent,
came back in, and then it was ultimately ruled out
at halftime. So this was there was a statement that
was released. Um, this came from a little bit of
an investigation into this. But let's hear first from Todd Bowls,
the head coach who had to address this scenario playing
(15:29):
out on Monday. When it came to Cameron Braid, they
went on the sideline, he complained the shoulder discomfort, nothing
about his head. He was checked out three times. He
just said give him a minute. Nothing came up. He
went back into the end at half. At halftime he
started having symptoms. Obviously they were delayed, and he started
complaining about that. They tested him. He's in the protocol
(15:51):
and we kept him out the rest of the game.
So Todd bowl said that, and then a lot of
people were a little bit upset that they didn't do more.
Why should be allowed in the game to begin with?
And then it comes and turns out that after the
Players Association looked into this further, apparently they determined and
(16:11):
the spotters determined after the league reviewed the information, that
he was actually hit in the shoulder and not the head. Therefore,
that's why it did not trigger somebody to look into
a potential headshot at the time. And there was no
spotter that called this out from upstairs during the actual incident.
So apparently there's no reason for him to go into
(16:33):
the concussion protocol because there wasn't a hit sustained to
the head or neck area, right, that's how that works,
And so hit him in the shoulder, right, So the
people upstairs who were reviewing it, they didn't see that contact,
and so they weren't you know, they didn't make anyone
aware of it down on the sidelines, and so there
was no need to. It wasn't until if a player
then exhibits or comes off the field explaining that they're
(16:56):
they're suffering those symptoms, then that enters enters them into
the and cushion protocol. But this one highlights a couple
of things. The first that we people on the outside
who think they know, like what's happening. Just need to
calm down. There's medical professionals, there's teams, there's everyone who's
trying to get this right. All right, there's protocols in place,
(17:17):
when followed properly, of the times they're handled it the
proper way. You know, there's a few instances that are unique,
that are different that might not be handled the right way. Okay.
The other thing is, you know, players play a role
in it. And Cameron Braid, who's a smart guy. I
believe it's a Harvard guy. I'm not mistaken. He's a
guy who's you know, he's gonna come off and he's
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gonna say, I'm suffering symptoms to this, it's in my
best interest not to play. He easily could have not
said anything, and he easily could have played through it
if he wanted to. He chose not to. You know,
that's that's really the biggest hurdle that I think players
have to get through as far as how they're you know,
(17:59):
I guess addressing injuries is there. They're a big equation
of it. Maybe the biggest that when they're suffering symptoms,
they have to be the one that you know, comes
out and says this is what I'm experiencing. Something's not right,
you know, I I need to take a moment, I
need to be looked at by the doctors, and then
you go from there. There's still a lot of guys
who would rather not say anything and play through it.
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And that's just the reality of either the situation that
they're in or their mentality when it comes to football.
That's just the truth. I think in some cases at
this point now where the knowledge of of of at
least awareness of what concussions are. You're not saying seeing
stars anymore. You're not saying I wrung my bail, got
(18:46):
my bail wrung. You're actually aware of the fact that
this is a serious injury, and it's whether whether I
can make sense of it or not in the moment.
If I if I can't remember a play, if I
can't remember you know where I'm at, or I'm feeling nauseated,
(19:06):
or I need to vomit, or whatever the symptoms that
that you exhibit during the course of that that time.
I think it's way more acceptable to be open about
your symptoms and what you're feeling. I mean, nobody's gonna
if you at at the pro level or or sometimes
(19:27):
even the college level, maybe not every single person, but
especially at the pro level. If you think somebody's trying
to get out of playing in the game, which would
be the only reason why you would say, okay, like
why do you not want to go back in? You
can go back in? Why are you not going back in?
You don't want to play? Like of course, of course
they want to play. So if a person is telling
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you that they're they're feeling a certain type of you know,
symptom connected to connected to what a concussion like symptom is,
then I think that doctors and coaches alike, medical staff
are all going to be more more sensitive to to
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those those claims and to those those communications than they
have been in the past. I think when I was playing,
if you told somebody, man, I don't feel well, like
like I feel nauseated and and I got a headache,
they'll give you, uh, you know, PEPs it PEPs it
for your your belly and and tell you you know,
(20:30):
you'll be fine and go back into the game. And
that's what we did. So I think that the players
that are more aware and are are willing to say, listen,
something isn't right. So I can't go back in. I
think that that's not as that would be frowned upon
and and at a certain point in time in the
(20:50):
league where I don't think that that would be so
much frowned upon. At this point, if you're saying, I
feel I'm feeling something and I don't feel right, and
even though I didn't get hitting the hit, it feels
like I've been concussed, I can't go back out there.
I think that people will be a little bit more.
I would assume that they have to be more considerate
(21:12):
and more sensitive to to the player in those moments
now more than ever. Like you guys, known people that
you've be on to school with, who if they get
the sniffles, the world shuts down right like they're not
coming in, they're not doing anything. They're not Yeah, they're
just not not interested. I mean, there are some people who,
(21:32):
and maybe they're putting others at risk by showing up
in public places with a cold or with a flu
or whatever that they just prefer as opposed to sitting
at home. I'd rather just work through it and kind
of deal with it. It doesn't I don't think it
makes them bad. I don't think it makes them reckless.
I think in the NFL you're gonna have guys who
just want to go out and play, Like Cameron Brad
We talked about hinz Ward. What was the hines Ward move?
(21:55):
Pretend like you had a calf cramp, like he've said
it himself, Like, yeah, I would pretend. I just think
it's at some point everybody's got their own life to live,
and everybody understands the risks of what could happen when
you go out. They don't, That's the thing, and that
was the know I still think people can be smart
as hell and not no really the INDs and outs
(22:20):
of what a concussion can do to you long term
that I just think people understand the risk, and I
think they look at it and go, I want to play.
You can understand the risk of getting hurt, like getting
injured and getting injured badly. But when you say understand
the risk, I don't think the vast majority of guys
understand sometimes the long lasting impacts of what concussions can
(22:46):
lead to. Right. Well, but that's that's a part two
because they're young and they don't really get until they
get there when they get older, right, I mean, you
ask a lot of guys now, and I think they're
frustrated that they weren't better educated, or they weren't better
prepare to handle it because they didn't know, or they
were ignorant to it, or they weren't educated enough on
it and they should have been. I mean, you could
(23:07):
also make the case that, you know, maybe the NFL
didn't know to a degree, but I think they have
for a while. It's just there wasn't a lot of
follow up and research on like, you know, players and
head injuries and all of that. I mean, we're still
learning a lot about CT about you know, head injuries
and how it affects players long term. So that's the
tough part is it's hard to tell a player who's
(23:28):
twenty two four years old who's in the NFL how
it's going to affect them when they're fifty five and
and and by the way, to get them to care
about that. Like, if you're telling a young person right now, hey,
don't do this, don't take that because it could impact
you when you're five, how many of them are I mean,
think about even not to get off on a tangent,
(23:50):
but think about like our society and how we spend money.
I mean, hey, save this, because when you're fifty five,
you'll be in a much better position. How many of
those kids are like, screw that, I'm gonna I'm gonna
spend that money now. I'm gonna take a vacation, go
out and party, do whatever. I'm not worried about one
fifty five. There's not a lot of people who think
(24:11):
that way at that age. So I just I think
it's harder to when you're in it and in the
midst of it, there's that that warrior mentality, competitors mentality.
It's it's sometimes hard, even when the education is there
to get people who want to make that right decision.
You don't want to lose your job, you know that
could that could challenge your job security coming out. I
mean people might say it with with Dak loses job
(24:33):
to Cooper Rush different injury. I mean, he's trying to
Wally Pip Dak Prescott. So there you go. I'm just saying,
if you, if you, if your head is what was
the what was the Wally Pip store? Was he at
a cold that day? I don't really like I don't
remember specifically what he had. Um, I don't I don't.
I don't know. It wasn't like something simple like a cold. Yeah,
(24:55):
I don't think COVID was around back then, so I
don't think it was cod have been something different though
the common It was COVID back then. Yeah, so someone
argue but anyways, but argue but like, yeah, you had
some sort of an issue and then yeah, see you
know all gone, we're gonna go and wrap this up
on his time, and he got now he's a headache. Yeah.
(25:21):
Where we're at now, where we're at now, this is
an interesting place to be. This is an interesting territory
because you want players to be empowered to speak up
when they sustain one of these types of injuries. But
now it's like, well, what if you have multiple guys,
(25:43):
I mean, you think about it, offensive lineman, a defensive lineman,
a linebacker. Chances are you could like guys could be
put in a position where they get banged up in
a way where you could say, I got a headache,
I got I got like something doesn't feel right. You're
out there banging. So where does the the medical staff
(26:10):
and what you're what they believe is you're clearing protocols
and you're okay, to play versus a player saying I
don't feel right, I'm not going back in like, it's
going to create an interesting dynamic of sorts, possibly because
I mean a player has to be able to speak
up and say, man, I don't feel right. What what
(26:31):
what gets bad about it is? You know what they
do in your contract when you have one too many concussions?
I guess what they avoid out any guarantees there and
if you missed time doing a concussion that it's no
different than taking a waiver out of any other injuries.
Like I remember the last contract I signed with the Dolphins,
I had a waiver out on my back. I mean,
(26:52):
my agent literally had to send me a letter that said,
I am not advising you to sign this contract because
it does not uphold the things that we believe in
and we believe you should agree to if you want
to play, because it puts you at risk with injury.
Because basically said, you know, if if I had any
injury to my back, you know these are the stipulations.
(27:14):
But I wasn't getting paid if there's any injury that
was directly related to my back because I was coming
out of back surgery. Wasn't gonna get paid, would only
pay for rehab with with that team, only with their doctors,
couldn't be with anyone else outside, which usually everyone gets
surgery somewhere else. And there's all these stipulations I had.
I had a couple of concussions. I had a few
(27:34):
you know, diagnosed concussions that are on there too. There
are all these things that were within the contract, and
like literally my agent sends me a letter, I have
to sign it and then go sign the contract if
I wanted to go play, because that was at the position,
that was the point of my career that I was in.
And so that's the hard part is if you're a player,
you know they find out about these things because well,
(27:55):
you you helped tell them, you help be a part
of the process. But then they use it back against
you when you have to sign some of these agreements.
So I think that's the tough part is for the
employer because your your health is part of it. You've
got to find a way of protecting the athlete from saying, like,
I want to be able to tell them when somebody's wrong,
but I also don't want them to use it against me,
(28:16):
whether with this team or a future team in a
contract negotiation, and that's where it becomes the gray area.
That's where it becomes a difficult conversation. It's two Pros
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As we hand out our made a Week award as
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what is good? Aaron? Judge? Yeah, Yeah, easily made history Judge.
The judge is entering, Yeah, the judge. That's it. That's
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all I got for you, Aaron Judge. I mean, he
breaks the record. Obviously, there's gonna be a lot of
debates one way or the other as to the legitimacy
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You know, what's an ail record? Don't depending that? Yeah, well,
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(30:49):
met the goal. There was a task, he completed it
last evening. I actually, uh, I posted it. I don't
even post baseball, but I posted that. I don't want
to look back on that. I posted as well. Yeah,
I don't want to look back on that day and
say I didn't like you know, oh that, like did
you post it or did you say anything about it?
(31:10):
Like no, like, yeah I did. I posted. I just
wanted to know where were you because I think that's
the most important thing, Like where were you when when
Aaron Judge hit eleven less home runs and barriers? I
mean you might worry you might be finding comedy in
it today, but you know, who knows what twenty years
from now holds or a hundred years from now holds.
(31:31):
You know who knows? Well, I mean anybody smashing baseballs
on Mars at that point. I mean, if you think
about it, you know, Aaron Judge maybe have great great
grandkids that are riding the cotails of him breaking his
record yesterday. I think the more interesting part of it is.
The more interesting part of it is the fact that
he basically bet on himself this year. I was like,
(31:53):
all right, you don't want to give me a contract,
I'm gonna go out here and try and do this.
And then now he set himself up to where he's
getting a massive deal wherever he goes. Oh, he's gonna
get paid. Although I do I'm pretty sure LaVar completely
missed the first segments point. But that's all right. Something
far You have to understand the child of the dad
who accomplished something, he doesn't accomplish anything like. That's the
(32:17):
whole point. It's it's the fact that he's living off
of what his father's accomplished. So in the scenario you
just played out, there's a clear misunderstanding because if if
Aaron judged son HiT's more home runs than him, he
would be accomplishing something. All right, Now, now do you
get I get that you have your logic, and I
(32:38):
have mine. I'm I get it. I get what you're saying.
I just get what I get as well. You can
accomplish something, you know, it doesn't You don't necessarily have
to accomplish the same exact thing as your dad. Your
your dad could leave you something you could create. We
are a hundred percent on the same page there. I
think you're missing the point of what I was trying
to trying to point out. All right now, I was
(32:58):
just Brady, what was the Big Ten Conference championship game?
That was Michigan Iowa last year? Correct? It was it?
So did Iowa get a ring for winning the Big Ten?
West's a good question. I don't know if they do
divisions anyway. You get a ring for Big Ten? Yeah,
not not Big ten Division. It's gonna say if they
played baseball, they'd be giving them rings. It's one half
(33:20):
of the league. I guess counts is an accomplishment. Now
based on the Aeron Judge record, you do get that
for your conference for conference? Yeah, but like your your
division and your conference. I mean, I mean, look, if
you're gonna get to the Big Ten championship game as
it currently stands, you gotta win your division don't get
there unless you win your division. Right now? Um, well, hey, listen,
all right, I mean I maybe I may be missing
(33:42):
the point on that too. Do you think they should
get they don't think you didn't win the conference, you
won your division, you shouldn't. They want to put them
in a championship game. They celebrate one half of the
league records. If you get a rank for winning your conference,
but you don't win a national title, I mean, what's
the difference? Conference is different though, all right? And we
(34:06):
didn't get rings for that, nor did anyone who asked
for them. We've got T shirts and hats. I mean,
that's you know. I'm with the Lamar. He's his bussy
busting balls here, that's all. He's doing, a painting the ass.
What I'm Steve? All right? I am Steve. I don't
(34:26):
bus balls. I'm that fat hope. I don't I'm Steve
the fat hope fat. That's what I said. Can we
say that as a drop? Oh man? All right? What's
exactly what I said? Who's actually can't have good without
(34:49):
the bad? Jonas what was bad this week? The Indianapolis
culture bad. I don't get it. I don't understand. I
don't know. I look, I blamed Jim Rsy because he
he made me think that Carson once was the problem.
He made me think he was the problem. And now
you look back on just sort of the tie and
the opening week against the Texans, do you wonder you know,
(35:11):
this isn't the first time Indianapolis has played for a
tie and it's benefited him later in the year. They
did it a couple of years ago and everybody mocked him,
and I was like, Okay, well, you know, this isn't
the worst situation in the world. I just I look
at Indianapolis. I can't figure it out. Matt Ryan was
supposed to be brought in. They were supposed to be
ready with an offensive line and a running game and
a defense and all that, and they have not looked good.
(35:33):
They are just bad throughout this portion of the season.
And then we get to see him play in a
short week against Denver, who's also banged up. Jonathan Taylor's
got his injuries now for Indie, I just I'm at
a loss for Indianapolis, totally whipped on them. They've been
bad thus far, really bad. Leslie Brady let us know
what was ugly this week well, there's a lot of
different directions I could go here. Um. I mean, obviously
(35:56):
we started off with the news of Tom Brady and Gizell.
Clearly that's it's gotten kind of ugly, both hiring divorce layers.
I don't want to got to dive into that personal Um.
I mean again, it's been some bad play. I don't
know that there's been worse offensive play than what I
(36:16):
saw from the Iowa Hawk Eyes last That was just ugly.
I mean, nowhere else in America is a punter as
beloved as Tory Taylors in Iowa. I mean, I'll be
honest with you. When I was down in the field
watched him punt, I was like, I get it. It's beautiful.
I mean every single time, the spin, the positioning, the
(36:38):
hang time, it's all a work of art. But most
good teams with good offenses, you hardly know who your
punter is because they don't punt that much. The Iowa offense, O, man,
is he gonna get drafted? Oh? Is that good? Yes?
So he'll get drafted. Yes. I mean, we gotta have
(36:58):
something you can hang your hat on, you know. Yeah.
But I'm just saying the the offense is just it's
just ugly. It's really bad. But isn't that just kind
of who Iowa is? Like they used to be able
to at least have some like ability to run the
ball effectively and some play action or whatnot. It's just
(37:20):
it's a culmination of things. Like they got a young
offensive line, especially on the right side, that's hurting them.
The quarterback has been inconsistent, you know, wide receivers left
in the portal. It's just a it's a bunch of things.
But yeah, that is it is ugly. Yeah, but you
know it though we are as a top ten team. Now,
(37:40):
we've got a couple of big ones coming up. Man. Yeah,
well that's got a week before those start though, right, Yeah,
it's a week before. Yeah. Well, now guys are gonna
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