Hour 2: LaVar, Brady & Jonas on NIL Guidelines

Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington react to the NCAA’s new guidelines regarding NIL and boosters. Stephen Ross makes more money off the F1 race in Miami than all the homes games for the Dolphins and Brady recalls the time Romeo Crennel didn’t let him walk during graduation.

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on a Fox Sports Radio. So um, we've been talking
a lot about this name, image, likeness stuff. You guys,
uh know a hell of a lot more about this
process than I do. But there have been some new
guidelines put out. So yesterday, the n c AS Division
one Board of Directors put out new guidelines on Monday,

(01:31):
and they said, uh that boosters or companies providing endorsement
deals contingent on a student's commitment to a school are
now breaking NCA rules. Basically, boosters stay away. You can't
have direct contact with family members with the player itself
in an effort to try and get them to go
to these schools. So to to which I ask you, guys, um,

(01:53):
how are they gonna keep track of this? How's this
gonna get done? Well? The other thing is, do we
really feel like athletes are gonna be snitching? Like if
you're gonna look from the athlete or the parents side
to provide the evidence. I mean, I don't know, LaVar,
Maybe I'm on the island here, but these kids would
be like yeah, get anything. I mean, like think about it,

(02:14):
like why would they confess to anything and and sell
out any score or anything that they took anything? So
the n c A that could then potentially punish them
it's Look, I've said it from day one. This is
all posturing, and I'm sure to some degree there is
there are going to be people who are at least

(02:34):
warned or you know, tried to be cracked down on.
They still haven't punished the the n c A basketball coaches,
you've got in trouble for that whole you know scandal
and rule, you know, the didas and all that the
FBI was. They haven't punished anyone was that back in.
I mean, it's a joke. The n c A is

(02:56):
a joke, and and they know that if they try to,
you know, put any of these kids, getting these kids
in trouble, or even any of these boosters of universities,
there's gonna be a lawsuit because we all know n
I L is not going away. Just so people understand
this name, image and likeness will be around from here
moving forward. For this reason, the Supreme Court of the

(03:21):
United States of America ruled nine. Oh, that is a
Mike Tyson first round knockout, and you're not getting back
up from it. Alston versus the n c like, That's
how it worked out. So it's over as far as
people thinking to all this and n I L stuff
is crazy. It's it's not going anywhere. And the n

(03:41):
c A didn't do anything about it the first time
because they're so scared of getting sued and so they
might say, you know, throw out this harsh you know,
rhetoric of what they're going to do. Who's going to
confess to it? I mean, for example, and this wasn't
in the n L space, but you know, notre Dame
confess to to having I think it was a trainer

(04:02):
who had helped out a few players and this is
like maybe five six years ago now, and they received
harsher penalties than anything from a legitimate scandal with Adidas
in these basketball schools, and they self reported it. They
vacated wins, they did all the stuff, and it was like,
wait a second, we came to you, and this is
the punish them in that we're getting. And this really
didn't impact anything on the field necessarily. It was all

(04:24):
about this one trainer who helped out three players. Are
we are we? I mean seriously, so, I don't know
why any school, booster or player would comply with anything
the n A is trying to figure out, or how
they're even gonna be able to investigate into this. One
of the other things they pointed out yesterday. This is
kind of funny how it was worded. They were saying that, well,

(04:46):
you know, um, if the most egregious of violations over
the past eleven months or whatever, you know, we will
take a close, hard look at that. But this is
more focused on the future. So basically, if you were
doing some stuff in the past year, you're probably fine.
I don't don't worry about it. We just tried to
get the reins on this as much as we possibly
could now, and then we try and move forward with

(05:08):
whatever they're gonna do. I give you some perspective. They're
not worried about it then, and they're not worried about
it now. Those people who are going to help and
assist they live in that world like they live in
that world, you know. You know, it's funny that they
had those like crime shows like Dexter and so I've
never watched it, but I've heard I've heard, well I

(05:32):
heard it was basically he's able to solve crimes because
he's able to think like them or whatever like, and
he's a serial killer. He is the whatever it is. Anyways,
the point is the only way you're going to be
able to police this and really start to facilitate change
and reform and create like parameters and guidelines that are

(05:56):
actually going to You're gonna have to really like create
like a task force of people who think just like
these people that are doing It's like in casino and
they got the guys looking at all the people trying
to cheat. He goes, yeah, those are the people we hire,
because the bottom line is there's no possible way, under
the current current conditions that you can stop these people

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from doing what they're doing, like creating companies as as
flow flow throughs or whatever it may be. If they're
going to do a deal to to benefit their school,
they are going to find a way that falls air
quotes within the parameters in the realm of what is

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not breaking the rules. They're going to be that loophole
that that that exists is not even like it's not
even a pen like it's not it's not the size
of a pinhole, right, It's like the size of a
black hole in space. It's infinitely big. I saw a
black hole and I was watching, Yeah, it's bigger than that.

(07:05):
It's bigger than that one. And and and and again.
If you're going to try to plug the gap in
a space that big, you had better bring something. That's
why I have that's why you just say you just
gotta plug the gap, But but you had better have

(07:28):
something of significance. Sweating something there. Man, Oh my god,
Oh my gosh, I walked myself right down this road,
broadcast professional, right on down this Sorry. Yeah, well, I'm
just saying I don't know what to say. I don't

(07:50):
know what to say. I don't I don't even want
to know. What was a solid content there. I was
trying to use some real like imagery there, and the
imagery went in the wrong place. Here's the that this
this is. This is more on a serious note, Um,
because you you bring up a good point, and I
guess I wonder, like, Okay, what's gonna be the constant effect?

(08:10):
You know, Nico Um again for the lack of trying
to pronounce his last name, the high school quarterback out
of southern California. He's the one that's been tied to this,
you know, six eight million dollar deal that was linked
to a booster club at the University of Tennessee. You know,
it's those sorts of deals that you look at and

(08:30):
you go, Okay, I don't care what you write in
that agreement or contract. It might say it's not it's
not an inducement, but it is. I don't know how
else you would you would define that. So those are
the sorts of things I think they're looking at trying
to limit, you know, the over the Jordan Addison's being
contacted by Lincoln Riley or someone at Southern cal trying

(08:52):
to entice him to jump into the portal. I mean
that goes even beyond inducement. That's tampering. And then in
sment right being able to have you don't have the
ability to reach out to him, and then for you know,
not force the kid, but course the kid into leaving
his team and giving up that scholarship there to go elsewhere,
and then trying to wave a big n I L

(09:14):
deal in front of his face. The hard thing about
all of this is it's gone on forever, and just
because now it's above board, it doesn't mean that these
boosters or other people can switch to these under the
table type payments to make this sort of thing happen.
I mean that's the reality of it. And so I
just I don't the n c A hasn't enforced in
the past, and I don't understand how they're gonna stop

(09:34):
that portion of it, because just just because we act
like in some states right where marijuana is illegal, we
we act like there's not a black market for it,
like there's it's nothing done. It still is there and
there always will be. So it's no different in this
case with name, image and likeness. It's gone on for
a long time, and that over saying oh it's legal,
Well there's still a fair amount of it that's gonna

(09:55):
be done illegally. And then the Jordan Addison example and
the inducement of high school kid, all of that's part
of it. And I don't think you're going to see
a kid who accepts a deal that's worth six eight
million dollars end up not going to Tennessee. He might
transfer at some point, but I don't think the people
who wrote that contract are dumb enough to pay the

(10:17):
kid eight million dollars even though it's not playing football
for them anymore. If they did, then maybe that more
speaks to the University of Tennessee boosters and then their
overall education. Do you guys think anybody like like the
higher ups actually give a rip at this point or
this is just them Is it's just them saying, hey, hey,
we're trying. I think they have to care, but to
what degree and what what makes it matter? Is would

(10:40):
be interesting to know what do they really Yeah, Steve
Kerr always wears a mask. Just got COVID now he's
back up, not coaching the bench and all that, And
there's and there's people who don't have to anymore and
they're fully vacks everything else. It's like, well, are you
that concerned? Is that why you're still wearing the mask?
Because we've kind prove now like it doesn't really work.

(11:02):
You know, at this point you do the best you
can to with all that stuff. But it's so everything's
for optics nowadays. We're all so concerned about public image. Yeah,
I just I don't know how this is. I don't
know why to changes. It's just gonna be too hard.
Like you, if you're paying attention to all the collectives
that are popping up, right, and if you look at

(11:23):
the rules of how these these collectives are governing themselves,
First of all, they totally separate themselves. There is no
connection to to the school, like it's not. There's there's
no ties other than their alumni and and you know,
influential figures, business people, data die. But then you make
it a nonprofit. So now you've made it a nonprofit,

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and what happens is is that you can you can
actually create n i L opportunities for all the athletes
at the school based off of the fan base just
donating money to the nonprofit. Like think about this, right,
you could go online to a to a collective right
now and put a million dollars in that collective, and

(12:09):
now that collective can do experiences, they can do signings,
they can do appearances, they can do a lot of
different things. And paying these athletes that are at the
school perfectly legal, right, but there has to there does
have to be a charitable purpose behind it. Um, you
can't just slap it and say it's gonna be a

(12:30):
nonprofit and then it's it's. The purpose behind it is
to be able to finance the n i L deals,
Like it's an n i L deal through a nonprofit, right,
But that's not technically true, so you can't. So you
can start up any LLC and and say hey, it's
a nonprofit in order to get No. One C three
these are five one C three is that they're creating. Okay,

(12:53):
I have one, so I'll tell you how it works,
because universities are calling me right now the far So,
in order to get the five one C three status,
you have to apply what's called a form ten twenty
three to the I R S. And when you file
that form, you have to come up with a projection.
You have to come up with other exhibits that showcase
what exactly you're doing that is helping to promote scharitable causes.

(13:15):
So that's one thing that I don't think it's gonna
get shut down by law. But you know, you have
to have a charitable uh mission that's involved in all
of it. You can't just say, hey, we're funneling money
from donors from you know, people who just want to
put in a bunch of money to pay these kids.
There has to be a charitable cause or something on
the other side of that that these kids are taking

(13:36):
part of. Otherwise it's going to eventually get shut down
if that's how it operates. I could read you I
gotta do this read at the end of this this segment,
or I would pull I'll try to pull it up.
But essentially what I just said is what it is.
You can you can donate to the nonprofit. And I
understand what you're saying, but the nonprofits profits purpose is

(14:00):
to do just what I just said, is to fund
the athletes that are Like all of the athletes that
are at the school, they are taking donations to be
able to pay for events that pay the players, that
give them the opportunity to go do a an appearance,

(14:20):
sign autographs, do a meet and greet and get paid
for it. That is essentially what it's for. You can
donate and that goes towards being able to pay a
kid that is in gymnastics or or twere a baton
twirling or wrestling or whatever it may be. That's what
the donation is for. Look it up. No, No, I mean,

(14:42):
I mean, I'm just said that. You know, it's that simple.
I don't, I don't. I don't know what else there
is to it, like and and that it doesn't read
any differently than that either, Like you can donate to
that nonprofit and that's what the nonprofit is doing with
the proceeds that are going And then and then I
would say to you they are a subject of losing
their profit status through the i r S because it's

(15:02):
all public knowledge and it only takes one person saying
this isn't an actual nonprofit, this is just funneling money
to kids to pay them. And that's that's where you
can get in trouble, and that's where you end up
getting a letter from the i r S. You'll lose
the nonprofit status and and then those donations they don't
retroactively apply, but then from that day moving forward, they

(15:23):
would just be putting money in the kids pockets as
a for profit entity. So if that's how it's set up,
that's the direction that whatever you're a part of, horse
other people are part of, it's going to go. Yeah.
I don't think the language in the by laws of
it is written up the way you just explained it,
but in essence that's what it is essentially. So so
just understand this. Your by laws are irrelevant when unless

(15:45):
you're talking about how it's going to apply to the
i r S, because that's different than filing with the
state for ls like making an LLC. Right, those are
two completely separate things. Anyone can create a company and
call it a nonprofit unless you have five and one
C three status through the I r S. It's not
actually a not profit. It really can't operate as that. Listen.
That's why I'm a big fan of a G one

(16:05):
status personally, it's two Pros and a cup of would
love to the description of it. But you know, I
got some of the four ten and you get that's
that's the leagal. I don't have all that that all,
you know, you know, yeah, well who yeah, right, I
don't have all the paperwork. I just never heard of them,
you know, yeah it have looked them up, all right.

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So coming up next, somebody, somebody in the NFL. Speaking
of speaking of money, somebody in the NFL has made
quite a bit of money on a non NFL event.
We'll get to that for you right here at fs are.
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on this hour. Uh, somebody on this show is a

(17:09):
little bit upset about the freedom that has been granted
to one player in the NFL by his coach. Um,
you know, still still a little bit of a red
ass about it. So we will get into that in
a little over twenty minutes from now here on Fox
Sports Radio. Hey, you know that giant F one race? Uh,
like Brady could see it over his back front. Yeah,

(17:29):
you couldn't see it over your back, but you could
he so. Uh so Steven Ross, uh, the owner of
the Dolphins. There was a report from the Orlando Sentinel
that he's going to make as much money from that
event as he would on an entire season of Dolphins

(17:49):
home games. It's amazing, It's crazy. Is that an insult?
Is that a is that disrespect to the to the
Miami Dolphins? Or is that just shows you how big
of an event that was on Sunday? Um, because it
feels like in today's NFL you should be able to
be making a little bit more than than one single

(18:11):
F one race on a Sunday and man be offended
by that if it's the the Dolphins, though, yes, liked
be offended by trying to diversify because they're I mean
they're not driving business. Wow, They're not that. He's no,
he's not lying. I mean they need They got a
lot of questions this year about and they need to

(18:33):
be a team that's viewed as a perennial playoff team
at least. You know, people use winning as a as
a commodity and as a product, and and that's not
a commodity and a product that's synonymous with the Dolphins
right now. You know what's interesting, though, is you don't
have to win to sell. When's the last time the
Cowboys want a Super Bowl? Are they not the most

(18:54):
valued franchise? I mean, that's the reality of it. They've
been fool people apparently since every year they're gonna with
a Super Bowl and then with the following they have
and everything else. Um now, this it kind of relates
in a different way, But I just I look at
it and go more. NFL owners are gonna try to
copy this because you could take this, you could go

(19:15):
on a tour and you could construct this or do this,
Uh in a bunch of different places. I mean, if
they could work, and they could work in Miami considering
it was what a three mile track or something like that,
you could make this work in other parts of the
country and figure out a way. I mean, they really could.
It was that cool an event, and I think the
only thing that really highlights is just the difference in

(19:37):
in fan and what you're paying in order to go
watch that. I mean, I don't know what the average
season tickets are for the Dolphins. I can tell you
this much. You were not getting into anything like even
close to Grand Prix involved for less than five hundred
bucks per ticket, and I think by the time it
was all said and done, they were about the cheapest

(19:58):
ticket you could find is about a thousand. Really, oh,
it was un goodly expensive for an F one rest
race and I think four Sunday, so like Saturday, the
tickets were probably a little cheaper because it was qualifying Sunday.
I want to say, you couldn't find something for like
less than five gs it certain spots. It was absurd

(20:20):
amounts of money being spent. I mean, and they rolled
out the red carpet. As we heard Martin Brundle, you
know whatever, whatever Wow, five grand. It was. Yeah, we
had a couple of friends whom they were going through
their company. But they're like, yeah, you don't even know
what the box costs. That are our company. I mean

(20:40):
we're talking six figures for one day, one event. I mean, look,
it's why when when Jerry Jones built that palace, one
of the things he really wanted was to get a
Manu Paki out fight like that was that was a
big deal for him. Se Yeah, Manu Pacio no longer,
no longer competing, but he wanted again. He still fights

(21:01):
coming back. Now he's done, he's done his last fight
was it. Now he's gonna go try and beat the
dude that beat him up last. Just got demolished by
Errol Spence, I mean demolished, like beat to a pulp.
By the way, a side topic, we we better have

(21:21):
Eryl Spence and Terence Crawford at some point, and you're
that's gonna piss me off. We do know what stadium
Earl Spence disposed of the dude I don't remember his
name at this point, but he disposed of him in
Dallas at that you know what is It was called
a T and T But like Jerry Jones. I mean,

(21:44):
and I know there's this thing that you know, the
Dallas Mayor will be a hell of a fight, bottle fantastic.
I hope it does happen. But I think Jerry Jones
was on this. He Jerry part of the I think
Jerry Jones realized if I'm gonna build my own stadium,
and he built it like that was his it was
his money. He put it together. He probably had an
eye on these massive events, right, not just Cowboys games,

(22:07):
but similar to what you know Stephen Ross and and
F one did on Sunday. He probably said, if I
can get some boxing events. They've had to WrestleManias there
they've had. It just feels like, if you've got the
venue and you've got the place to have some of this,
why not branch out a little bit and if you
can for five grand to take it for an F
one race, which which isn't even a big sport in

(22:30):
this country. Yeah, I don't. I don't see why other
NFL owners, if you've got the ability to do it,
would not want to welcome in some of these other
big events to their to their backyard. And that's how
you build your brand, and that's how you build. You know,
the one thing that I've learned most, maybe recently about
business is the idea of building your community and how

(22:53):
creative and how innovative you have to be, how strategic
you have to be in order to build a community
that's captive to what what your agenda is. And that's
really what business is is that you you you gain
the trust, and then you sell your product to the
people that trust you. Jerry has done an excellent job

(23:15):
of opening up the gates or the parameters of what
football represents and what the brand, the Dallas brand represents.
It's synonymous with a lot of different things. It's synonymous
with events that take place, events that travel all over
the world, not just the country, they travel all over
the world. They do things in the youth with like

(23:38):
seven on seven tournaments and different things like that in camps,
and they do w w E or WWF events, They
do boxing events, they do you know, the monster truck events.
They they have endeared themselves to so many different genres
and have found a way to connect that star and

(23:59):
that brand that has already been considered to be a
strong brand nationally and even internationally speaking. They have done
such a great job of opening and up and making
it more appealing to people that may not be necessarily
into the sport of football. And I think that that's
what Jerry Jones has really done an excellent job of.
He leans into things that he knows people like, he

(24:22):
leans into his cheerleaders, he leans into him and and
he created TV shows off of it. Not literally speaking
right well, I mean, I'm not gonna get that deep
into it. I mean, you know, okay, you know, I
just can't. Anytime you guys do this, everything I say
it seems inappropriate after And that's what I say, Jerry, Remember,

(24:48):
and that's why the Star is so strong. It is
because of those statements right there. You know, I won't
make her up a lot of good points because I
think that's what he's identified that brand as. And it's
an entertainment well, and I was just gonna say, that's
what I feel like Miami's building, Like when I look
at what Steven Ross and it's really it's really Tom Garfinkel.
So Tom Garfinkel is the CEO, he's the vice chairman.

(25:12):
He's like how Stephen Ross organizes his companies or in
this case talking about the Dolphins. He puts someone up
over top of all of it. And Tom Garfinkel is
kind of that guy. So he's Steven Ross's eyes and ears.
And so a lot of the success of what happened
with the F one or Grand Prix was in large
part due to Tom Garfinkel. But everything they've done there,

(25:34):
all these various events, when it's the National Championships, super Bowl, etcetera.
Tom Garfiel deserves a lot of the credit. But I
think what they've done is to your point, LaVar, they've
identified that, hey, this can be like an entertainment venue,
and and they've started to figure out that the type
of audience that they can really um, you know, bring
to these events and the different types of events that

(25:56):
they can you know, that they can bring in there.
And there's really no limit to what they can do,
especially when you look at how they created this Grand
Prix event. I just think, you know, to your point,
Jerry Jones kind of build it as far as the
Star in Dallas and everything else, but Stephen Ross and
other other owners are now starting to kind of, you know,
keep an eye on this and starting to kind of

(26:17):
build their own off of this. And and I think
maybe maybe it's the Dolphins that are gonna be moving
forward being more of that team that you're looking at
their helmet and you're not associating with football anymore. You
associating associating with everything else out around. It's just a product.
It's it's a it's a part. It's it's an asset,
you know, because if you think about it, one thing
that they did and and at at heart rock Um

(26:39):
was they did that boxing match with with the influencers
and it was a smashing success. Jake Paul or Logan Paul.
It was it was like the so the Tiktoker's versus
the Instagrammers or something like that, and these dudes were
fighting and it was like it was a ginormous event

(27:00):
for for the area. If you start going like, you
gotta understand that's going where the fish are, right, if
you're talking about bringing dudes in that are going to fight,
Like even this discussion with the Island Boys and them
signing to a fight man David Hit is dumb and
as crazy as it may sound, right, as dumb, as

(27:21):
crazy as it may sound, people will watch that on paper,
people will attend, people will turn that into an event
to go out into attend the content grabs of it
are so freaking justifiable and amazing to put the dollars
behind it, even more so crazy enough, even more so

(27:45):
than a Dolphins game, a Dolphins event. Right. So when
you start to think about that, if you can tie
that into your brand and you can turn that into
an asset or a product offering to your community, it's
really about saying, I'm offering you my my football team.
Here's the Dolphins football team. But I want you to
recognize the Dolphins is more than just a football team, right.

(28:08):
It can be associated with these these boxing matches, with
with influence social media influencers. It could be connected to
all the events that we were talking about being done
by Jerry Jones, right. And so that's the again, and
I think that that's what you're talking about, Brady, is
the idea of now, why just look at your enterprise

(28:29):
is just a football enterprise, look at it as something more.
Where this is one aspect, here's another aspect, here's another category.
And maximize what your your revenue streams could possibly be
that you're utilizing for the facility that that you have.
And I think it's a great thing for the Dolphins
because with this extra revenue coming in, that means they
won't have to you know, comes and they won't have

(28:51):
to throw out any more money to coaches to throw games.
You know. I'm just saying, like, so at least at
least how you know, at least there's that that the
about the come on man, please please just not play
that song. Why I think I should come out? Yeah,
the Dolphins, Brady and purd are the only two people

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on planet Earth. Like Eddie's a real island boy. Alright,
Eddie's from Hawaii. Alright, he doesn't need anything funny crap
island boys, all right, it is. I mean, but did
you see them training though? Yeah, I was so great
foot impressed. Yeah, I mean, well because his hands, his

(29:35):
hand speed was was so fast. It just didn't look
like he was, you know, healthy or in his right mind.
It was just fast. I thought he was spasm. That was.
Oh that's see, that's a remix right there. Yeah, a
little behind. Yeah, that's got a little beat to it.

(29:57):
By the way, Lee is dancing in the start Jake
com oh yeahs baser. Yeah, Jerry can make anything. Some
most that's awkward. They're just so awkward, Jerry, your thoughts
on this song? I won't make some glory. It's two

(30:17):
pros and Fox Sports Radio. All right, so we've got more.
But before we get to that more, let's say here
from my Eddie Garcia, true Island boy with all the
latest and sports. Oh my gosh. Sorry and I don't know, yeah,
you're not sorry. I don't. I don't know what Roberto
likes more the Jerry Jones drops or the flatulent sound effects.

(30:39):
It's it's close and also the pac Man. Oh god,
this show UHBA Playoffs second round action. Two more game
fours to tell you about. We had the Warriors taken
on the John morantless Grizzlies and this one was closed,

(31:00):
but Golden State gets the one oh one victory. Steph
Current leading the way as he would expect with thirty
two points. He had eight free throws in the final
forty five seconds to secure the victory. Warriors did not
have head coach Steve Kerr on the bench due to
a positive COVID test. Mike Brown, who's the new head
coach of the Sacramento Kings but sticking around until the
season is over, guided the team to the victory and
gold State. Now with a three one series advantage, Celtics

(31:23):
went on the road, beating the Bucks one sixteen to
one oh eight, Boston now scoring Milwaukee forty eight and
the fourth quarter to rally for the win. Jayson Tatum
thirty points thirteen rebounds, Al Horford thirty points in the
win for Boston the coup of thirty four points eighteen
rebounds in the Laws free Milwaukee. That series is tied
at two two. Now back to Lauara Arrington, Rady Quinn
and Jonas Stocks in the Fox Sports Radio studio. Thank you, Eddie.

(31:45):
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uh than a coach of a member of this show
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LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks with you here on
FS are coming up top of next hour a little
over ten minutes from now. We could have a trade
in the NFL very soon. We will get into the
details and the story I that coming up here. I
get a little over ten minutes from now on Fox
Sports Radio. So I saw this uh Ron Rivera, the
head coach of the Washington Commandos. Um he was voted

(33:11):
uh he got the Hollis Award, the two thousand twenty
two George Hallis Award recipient by the Pro Football Writers
of America. It's given to uh to an NFL player, coach,
or staff member who overcomes adversities to succeed. Obviously, he
went through the cancer treatments um and then came back
to coach the football team. And I think everybody who's

(33:31):
ever around Ron Rivert always speaks highly of him. So
to hear this story come out probably not the most
surprising that John Dotson we are LaVar we are. Uh.
He was ready to skip his graduation to be out
of practice over the weekend, but Ron Rivera told him
it's a once in a million type thing. Uh, And
he said, uh, go walk in your graduation, which I

(33:54):
thought was nice because I would assume that, you know,
all coaches grant that sort of you know, that's a
blessing just all coaches. I mean, I think all great coaches,
especially if the player is somebody who's who's earned the
right and and been kind to people around them. If you,
if you did the work to graduate and for all

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these years that you play the game, you are taught
to be a student athlete, not an athlete student. I've
never heard the term athletes student ever in life. So
you've been taught to be a student athlete and respect
how much education is and and like there's not even
a comparison like your education is most important, so to

(34:40):
to think that somebody deserves to to walk once they've
graduated from college versus not being able to walk because
you have to go practice, you know, I think that
that that speaks for itself. Yeah. I think it also
depends on if the players like a nice guy. Like
if the players a nice guy to coach is probably

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because I think if you're like I think, if you're
like not a nice guy and people don't like you,
they don't want you to to go walk if you
were to graduate, they would rather you not walk and
be at practice something. So you're saying like if he
was just if John was an a hole, He's yeah,
I see what you're going He read the free show notes.

(35:25):
I don't. I don't sit any but I always read
that area. So just so, just so everyone knows, Just
so everyone knows, LaVar just called me an a hole
on a because when I was a rookie, I couldn't
go to walk up my graduation because Romeo Cornell. Now
I will say this, I was the only quarterback. So

(35:47):
I don't think they would have had a rookie minicamp
had I had not been there for it, So there
was that element. But um, I'll be I'll be honest
with you, I was pretty bummed. Um, it meant a
lot to me to to graduate and graduate from Notre Dame.
From Notre Dame have been like, I mean, I don't
have a contract. I don't have a contract yet. I

(36:10):
gotta go walk man to your point back that we
didn't write like these dudes now are sided out side
of the contract right away. I technically didn't. It probably
would have been better for my health in case I
had an injury or something. But um, this is such
a neat story to me because it bucks the trend
of a lot of I think head coaches in the NFL.

(36:31):
Like I've always been a huge Ron Rivera fan, just
from the time of him transition to become a head coach,
the job he's done, and how he just seems to
he always does things the right way, like he always
understands the bigger picture in knowing that, like John Dotson's
gonna look back and be like, I missed a special,
unique day in my life that and I don't know

(36:53):
the backstory. Maybe he's the first to graduate in some cases.
You know, my mom didn't graduate from college. My dad did,
but you know, he he served in between before even finishing.
So when he came back to finish at Ohio State
when he originally started a Colorado, it was a big deal.
I mean, came back from Vietnam, so, you know, to me,
it was it was a big deal to be able
to get my degree and accomplished that, considering how hard

(37:14):
school was um and did not ever feel like you
had that final chapter. Maybe that's part of the reason
why I went back and wanted to get my m
b A because I was like, I never felt like
it really ended, you know, I felt like I was
still like wanting to have that closure on accomplishing it,
and I never did. So I'll tell you this much,
I will take the day off from this show that
I get the lock from my MBA because I am

(37:37):
not gonna miss the second time around. I know that much.
Can you at least call in while you're in line, Like,
at least call in and be like, all right, here's
what they here's the situation, Like, yeah, I'll definitely call
in doing a face face time, you know, selfie or
whatever any of that. I mean, I think that would
I think that would work, you know, for everybody involved.
So you know it's uh, it's a and there was
no other So how long did it? Did you get

(37:58):
like a diploma? Did they at least send all that
stuff to you? But you wanted the walk, you wanted
the pageantry, You wanted to be able to go up
with it. I wanted to be with Mike, the other
kids that I spent four years with, came to Notre
Dame with and walk across the stage like that. To
me was was part of the fun. You know. I
wanted my parents to experience it too, like it wasn't
just about me. It was like, hey, my parents sacrificed

(38:21):
a lot, like like you know all of ours did.
And I looked at it was like, man, I just
want them to be able to see it too and
feel feel a sense of accomplishment like they helped make
that happen. You know, couldn't Charlie Fry have just subbed
in for you for a practice good point? Let me
come on, man, I just I don't respect that at all.
And I'm a big fan of Romeo Cornell in the past.

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