February 17, 2025 • 41 mins
A little championship envy as Cowboys edge rusher Micah Parsons feels like Dallas needs a call to action in the shadow of the Eagles Super Bowl. Adding to a terrible NBA All-Star Game, Lebron James was a late scratch, denying someone else the opportunity. #2Pros
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
with you here in for Colin on this Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Normally we do this show alongside Brady Quinn, and you
can hear us normally Monday through Friday, six am Eastern time,
three o'clock Pacific, So this is considerably later than what
we're used to getting on for. Oh feels so good. Yeah,
I gotta admit it feels nice being awake while I'm
doing the show. Let me tell you something that'll five
(00:57):
to six hours of consecutive sleep really underrated, really totally underrated.
If I'll tell you what I woke up, Like, what
the hell it's like? It was like four thirty four
at least cars doing on the road. Wait a second,
I get to go back to sleep. That is the Uh,
(01:18):
let me do that.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That is the one thing that when we were in
New Orleans for the Super Bowl, like the one the
common question you get from.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Everybody is how do you guys do do it? You
mean get up at one am every day? I just
you know, you just do it. Then we chose to
do a weekend show too. That's what's crazy, Like, all right,
it's not enough. You gotta do one more show and knock
down six days a week. You do weekend show, a
dope weekend show. I had this loser dude that comes
(01:45):
on right immediately out did you like that? Perfect? How
I hit him with that? We had loser in the
topic with Cam Newton. We go into it and immediately
translated into using that as a transition message show. And
that's mess Lissen.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
As your as your technical producer for both your shows
and the weekends, I'm not going to get into the
middle of the fight between mom and daddy.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's fair. That's fair as long as I'm dead and
he's mom.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
All I do is promote that whatever that show is,
So there you go, look.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Get your head, We'll get your head. I promote your
show at least three times during the course of my
show at least perfect. I don't know. I think the
over unders two and a half taking the under, okay,
two and a half outside on two and a half
at least two times.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
My favorite part is that people can't don't understand the dynamics,
so they.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Go got this. Oh my gosh, Johnson, they don't like
each other.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You think that's really should have been there Thursday night
in New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
That was all love. That was all love. Oh man,
that was that was too much love. Now we did
we did talk earlier in the show. We were discussing,
you know, the dysfunctional New York Jets, all the dysfunctional
NBA All Star Weekend, the dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
New York Jets that they've still got to thres stories
out there. We go on Aaron Rodgers and then you know,
there's Saquon Barkley Penn State. Later we are another member
of the Stick City Class number eleven, Michael Parsons. He's
seen the Philadelphia Eagles now win a Super Bowl. He's
(03:30):
the Washington from that side of the state, the Washington
Commanders also in the division. They were in the one
title game, the Giants. Who knows address them right now,
but Parsons spoke about the Eagles winning the Super Bowl
and said the following quote, Yeah, that makes me hurt.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Over the past couple of years, we kind of got
our wins and losses against them and battled with them.
Obviously talent is here, but we've got to just finish
and go be aggressive the same way they did. You know,
I don't want to sit back and just watch other
people build and build and build, and we stay the same.
So we definitely need some call to action. That from
Michael Parsons, member of the Dallas Cowboys, what he said
(04:12):
I was wrong, nothing like the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Like like I saw stephen A and other people like
kind of chiming in on it, Like what did he
say that's wrong? Nobody, no one out here should take
any exception to what he just said. What he said
in his quote, what do you say that's wrong? Dak
Prescott made the same comments, and it was even more.
It was even more like at least Mica said, look,
(04:37):
we can beat these teams, like it's it's weird competitive Dak.
The way I heard Dak and how he said it's
like he's disappointed that they weren't in the Super Bowl,
challenging to win the Super Bowl, Like that's delusional, like
one is to me comes from a more a more
grounded space, like we got to get better, Like we're
(04:59):
team that has to get better and not let everybody
else get better and get away from us and get
ahead of us. Whereas I felt like Dak was saying, like, look,
we beat them, we should have won, and I'm terribly
disappointed that we weren't. I mean, maybe I read it wrong,
but I just felt like he was like I'm terribly
or was that Jones, Well, Jerry Jones was disappointed, and
(05:21):
you know, I thought for sure we were going to
lose a Super Bowl and then but.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The problem is, like you can't keep track of what
each of these guys is saying because it all is
going to result in the same thing, which is they're
never going to win a Super bowlang Like, if Michah
Parsons wants to win a super Bowl, he's got to
get the hell out of Dallas. And I say this
to somebody who's been bullish about the Cowboys. I mean,
there's some reports out there I might have had him
(05:45):
in the Super Bowl this past year. I'm not here
to confirm nor deny any of that stuff. But Michah
Parsons is probably looking around going the way we operate
and do things is a lot different than the best
teams in the league, and we're not close. Like, yeah,
you're in the same division, But I got news for you.
(06:05):
The Bears were in the same division as Alliance, So
what Like the Jets were in the same division as
the Patriots for years. Like, just because you're in the
same division and maybe there's some familiarity and you play
them tight, doesn't mean that you're close to being the
same team, cause there's like, you know, this little thing
called fifteen to sixteen other games you have to play.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So like, I mean, I know that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Listen, you've beaten them a couple of times and you
played them competitively. Dallas wasn't close this year. Dak Prescott
went down with an injury, and this was their quote
unquote all in year.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's what he said. I just that's what he said.
Do you find yourself curious as to what the call
to action is that he's referring to? What is the
call to action? What do you do? What would be
the most efficient, most intentional, most effective call to action?
(07:06):
What do you think Michael Parsons was thinking, what do
you think people who are thinking a call to action,
what would the call? What should that call to action be?
If you were going to do something drastic, it would
be at the quarterback position. But they can't because they
already paid him. So you are stuck with and you
(07:30):
do that. And look, Dak Prescott has had good years,
but I just don't it feels like the Cowboys window closed.
Come on, keep trying, you got you gotta keep reaching.
Come on, and you're gonna stop on that one. Well, no,
you're gonna leave it. That personnel on the field, didn't
he didn't he bring up Philadelphia and say Philadelphia? Who's
(07:55):
been getting all the love from Philadelphia? Think about it?
Who's getting the love for them winning the champion? No,
you're on the field, Howie Roseman? All right, of course,
now think about that. Yeah, the GM is getting all
everybody and their mama is singing the praises of the GM.
(08:17):
I'm just wondering because I don't want to put Micah
in no compromising situations because listen, I don't talk to
Micah about what he's got going on professionally or anything
like that. So this is not no inside bit or
anything like that. We strictly family talk about family things.
But I'm just wondering, is the call to action since
we can't replace the owner, you can't replace your call
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to action. Can't say we got to replace the owner.
The owner has got to stop doing all of the
meddaling that he's doing. When'd you think the second singular
biggest move that would be a call to action, especially
if you're the best player on the team saying it
and you still haven't done your contract yet. So I'm
(09:01):
telling you there needs to be a call to action,
and that could be gently or lightly positioned to say,
if you want me to redo my contract, you want
me to do a contract that's going to keep me here.
There needs to be some changes made that make us better.
He made a specific statement in comment to getting better,
like they're out here getting better? What are we doing?
(09:23):
What are we doing to me? You can't say, oh, well,
it's the quarterback position. You can't say, oh it's this position.
You got to say that it's the people that are
making the decisions on the personnel of this team that
have to do better. That's the only way you can
make that's the only way you can make way. He
said a valid a valid point of emphasis. Right, yeah, Okay,
(09:48):
he wants he wants to call to action. The problem
is here, you know what a GM.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, he wants impossible calls to action because Jerry Jones
is Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones run the show there.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They're not going anywhere. It's their team. Well, whether they
do it or not, a drastic call to action means
you gotta make a decision that you wouldn't normally want
to make an order to get different results. Okay. The
definition of insanity is doing something repeatedly getting the same
(10:24):
results but expecting different ones. That's insane. They if they
haven't made a move with with their GM situation, like
you don't have to get rid of okay, you don't
have to get risk. The Cowboys have tried twice to
bring in somebody and give them some say in how
you build your roster. One of them was Jimmy Johnson.
(10:45):
That didn't end well.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The other the other was Bill Parcells who even said,
you gotta let me stop. Yeah, they want you to
cook the dinner. At least want to let me let
me get the groceries.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Like they've tried it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It does, So Michael Parson, try it. Miah Parsons in
a spot where he everything he's saying is correct, everything
Dak is saying is correct, everything the fan base is
saying is correct. And you can do nothing about it
until you're not on that team anymore or not a
fan of that team anymore. That's it, just is what.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It is. Crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And if you're Dallas, not a shot in hell you're
you're gonna let Michael Parsons walk like they will pay him.
It will go down to the last minute like it
always does, and he's going to get a huge deal
from them and stay there for at least.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Look at it like this, I'm Michael Parsons. I made
it a point of emphasis to say we need to
be getting better and there needs to be a call
to action. So if there's no real motion that way,
then no one can be upset at this man saying
I want the most top dollar that my position or
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a defender in the National Football League can command. Agree,
You're gonna have to pay me the most of anyone
because I am sacrificing my career because the call to
action is bringing somebody in here who can build our team.
The right way. That's that's the call to action. And
if you're not gonna do that, then the fans of
(12:12):
Dallas should not be upset with me. If I'm gonna
have to take a deal and be on this team
that's gonna continue to have malfunctions as the season goes on,
You're gonna you're gonna compensate me for that. You're gonna
compensate me for that. I've proven to you I'm a
historical player, I'm I'm I'm a generational player. And the
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call to action is not being met with the type
of ferocity and intensity of making this a real winner.
If you're saying this year was our all in year,
and you're our owner, and you're the employer of me,
you pay my checks, and you're saying this is our
all in year, I got all the information I need
to have in terms of what decision I need to make.
(12:58):
I need to put myself first. I need to put
myself first, because Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, you guys are
putting your sales first.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Do you think Micah And obviously not that you've talked
to him about this, but do you think part of him?
And I wonder if players think like this. They look
around the situation and go to your point, all right,
if we're never gonna compete for a super Bowl, I'm
gonna get paid. You have to like, I'll just take
the most money I can possibly get. I'll have a
great career here, will be somewhat competitive. I'm gonna get
(13:29):
really famous. I'm gonna go to the Hall of Fame.
I'm just never gonna win a Super Bowl here.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And you got to accept it. And what's crazy is
is if you either accept that or you force your
way out. You force your way out, then you go
somewhere different, you see what you got, or you put
your best years, you put your best years down with
a team that isn't going to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Compete for a Super Cause I wonder if that's where
Miles Garrett's at, where he's like, man, like, I'm over it, yeah,
like like I have to choice straight me.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
And And by the way, one of the teams that's
looked at is the potential landing spot for Miles Garrett
is Washington. So if you're Michael Parsons and that happens,
you're looking around your division.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He wants to go to Dallas. I don't know, I
imagine if you were to get that would that would
be the best sense what where? And and uh Miller
on your edges if you if you pulled that off, geez,
talk about all in. Bring bring Miles Garrett, Bring Miles
Garrett into goud Dang Dallas. That's the start. You want
(14:37):
to say, you're all in, that's the start. Pay Michael Parsons,
bring in Miles Garrett. That's the start.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I was gonna say start. I was going to say, Arrington,
Bruce Smith, we got that record. I mean, we we
forever in that record book. I was only there for
about ten of them. But but but the one that mattered,
that last one that broke it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I was there. I was there. I was on the field,
I was on his side. I was opening moutains. I
gave the pick that got him sprung free and he
got that record. We got that record, y'all. We made
history that day. I want to see if I do
a quick Google search of oh you see me all
on him? I'm draped all on him. Bruce Smith breaks
sack record. You see there's a picture of LeVar Arrington
(15:17):
hudging jumping on Bruce Smith's back. Old Bruce Smith breaks record.
I guarantee you you see me on his back. Look
there it is right there, There is right there. I
ain't got to him yet. I was closed. I hadn't
got there. He just turned around of the camera. We
did did we broke history? I'm telling our prudest baby,
(15:43):
we made history.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
That's that's what I always tell people. Between Leavar and I,
we've been to three Pro Bowls. That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Was that was probably going to be the most significant
achievement in my entire career. I leaved all the way
into that. I ain't let him go. He was trying
to get away. I knew NFL films every day they're
gonna play this thing for ever. I knew this was
my moment. Bruce broke the record. Oh man, it is
(16:16):
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Speaker 4 (17:39):
So we open up the show talking about the complaints
over NBA All Star Weekend, just exactly how that looked,
the dunk contest, the you know, can I say this,
The star of the weekend was Barry Bonds. All right,
Barry Bonds, who was part of the Celebrity game. Okay, yeah,
I think he might have been coaching against Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't worry.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That was another event for the NBA this weekend. I
didn't watch, but I did see this. Jerry Rice, in
a little trash talk before the game, said how many
rings you got to Barry Bonds? And Barry Bond's always
going to be a fletch. Yeah, Barry Bond said, I
got two divorce rings, so they that's something.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So that quite the same rings he was, you know,
Jerry Rice, I'm certain was referencing. Yeah, those were probably
different type of heart, probably a little bit a little
bit more expensive as well too. But nonetheless, there was
also the complaints that were being levied towards Lebron James,
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who decided, for the first time in his career he
was not going to participate in the All Star Game,
and kind of a late notice, kind of a late
scratch of who will didn't let anybody know this ahead
of time, just that weekend decided to show up, and
thus somebody else who could have had an opportunity need
to be an All Star didn't get their opportunity. And
Lebron explained his decision over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You won't see anything for me tonight. Unfortunately. I would
not be in uniform tonight, still dealing with ankle and
foot discomfort, so I will not be playing tonight, unfortunately.
You know, I hate that, but I'm looking forward to
to seeing the format. This is the first year for it.
I know. We got a lot of great call us
to OG's. That's hilarious. We got a few guys with
gray hairs, so that it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Hmm. It's a bummer.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So, LaVar, when you went to the when you didn't
go to the Pro Bowl, did you also go to
the Pro.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Bowl when I didn't go to the Pro Bowl? Like
if I didn't make it? Yeah, no, oh, why would
I do that? I mean, if you wanted to be seen,
if you wanted to be like part of the story
and the only way you go is if you're pro
like you, you vote me in. I'm there and I'm playing,
you know, but I've never been the greatest football player
(19:55):
in the game either, like actively, I don't I don't
know what liberties you know, Lebron James takes and what
I'll say this. I'll say this, I bet if I'm
Lebron James, which at this point I don't even know
that money is even a deal. But I can't even
(20:15):
imagine the amount of money he's getting to be there
for appearances and different different activations or whatever it may be.
So if if I were there under the premise of
what Lebron James, I would assume Lebron James why he
was on on on site but not playing, Yes, hell yes,
(20:36):
I'd be there well every single time. Got to be
seen to be yeah, I mean that's how you get paid.
That how you get paid.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Got to let everybody know that care Ma, I'm you
trying to make it about him being there so he
could be seen. I'm saying he's one hundred percent there
because he's making money doing it. It's two different things,
like where you can wrap what you're saying up into
him being there to be seen. It leads to dollars,
(21:08):
It leads to revenue, not only for him, but he's
probably generating revenue for the NBA. The relevance of him
being there is important. He's probably doing it for the
TV station that was broadcasting it. The relevance of hearing
his voice and seeing his face is important. It's important
because he's a driver. He's one of the loan drivers,
if not the loan driver of the NBA popularity.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And relevance Right now, can I ask you honest questions? Sure,
what good came out of this weekend for the NBA? Like, no,
and it's not even just Wall You guys are just
being bitter mancause football's over it. No, no, no, it's not
just us. The players didn't like it, the broadcasters didn't
(21:52):
like it. Draymond Green didn't like it, the fans didn't
like it. I don't know what came out of this
weekend that you look and go, oh, well, that was
that was a bright spot, Like at least there was that,
Like even the guy that did win the dunk contest,
all of a sudden there's fatigue. I don't know why
there would be fatigue for a guy winning a three,
but even that people looked.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
At him went yeah, not into it. It just feels
like the entire weekend was know how many people. I
just don't know how many people were aware of the
fact that this was even All Star weekend. Like if
you told me right now, if you hit me and
(22:33):
said LeVar to save your own life, like not die
right now, immediately tell me where was it at. I
might get it wrong. Now I'm gonna say it was
in Golden State. I think it might have been in
the Bay, but I ain't sure if I had that
(22:55):
is correct. But if you were to add me that
and you're saying I dropped it, if I get it wrong,
I ain't answer. I'm gonna take a stat took a
stab at it because there's no there's no you know,
there's no there's no no, nothing happens after. But if
you said your life depends on this answer the question,
(23:18):
I'm not answering to see.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And I think you knew that because they showed the
logo from the All Star Game this year and it
was a guy in a sleeping bag, So I think
I think she's stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Just the alternate. The alternate logo for the for the
All Star weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Dah yeah with the capture, Will said two different shoes.
Dang yeah, I just I look at it. I go
I don't know what the win was for anybody. By
the way, By the way, that just in cause you
(23:54):
missed this from earlier. Here was Draymond Green broadcasting for
the event in his hometown talking about how he feels
about the new All Star game format.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You work all.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Year to be an All Star and you get to
play up to forty and then you're done. This is
so unfair to Victor win Miyama who just took this
game really seriously. Chake Gilgess, Alexander who just took this
game really seriously.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
When you talk about chasing.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Out to the points records, no loo with Kobe and
all these guys who've had great staring knights. They don't
get the opportunity to do that with this game. Also,
we can watch some rising stars. We're about to watch
the Olympic team. Now we get to treat of watching
the Olympic team play against the U nineteen team.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Come on, what are we doing all of one to ten?
Your thoughts of the format? Ten being the best? Yes?
A zero? Sucksang tang ten being the best him making
sure you know that ten is the best way to
sell the product. Guys, he gave you a number that
(24:54):
ain't even a number. Zero ain't even a number.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
By the way, see this, and this is the NFL
is great, because the NFL is like, all right, why
don't we just I mean, listen, if they're not going
to take advantage of this weekend, we'll just throw something
out there. Who's up for Jonathan Martin Richie Incognito from
ten years prior, what story making the rounds where Jonathan
Martin and an interview with the ESPN basically just said, yeah,
(25:19):
I never believed.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was being bullied.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That was my mom pushing the narrative and pushing that discussion.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And so Richie Incognito has been making the rounds on
social media calling everybody out schefter Florio.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Zero is a number. It's just of a empty quantity
like Sam Darnold as an empty calorie. But go ahead,
go ahead, that's crazy. Yeah, But Richie and Richie and
he went through all that because of that dude. Yeah,
he went through that. Dude was drug through the mud
over that situation. Like he never. He never really recovered
(25:55):
from that in his career.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And instead of oh, yeah, because he got Laby, he
got suspended for the final eight games of that season,
and there was a lingering Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It was just it was, yeah, that was a volatile
like asset. You couldn't touch him, and you don't bother
Miami ended up taking them anyway, Right, wasn't Miami that
ended up? Somebody ended up taking them anyway. I think
he went to the Raiders if I'm not like that
something a little bit after, but it wasn't long. He
was out of there not too long after. That player,
(26:24):
he's a heck of a ballplayer.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And instead of just any of the people that previously
reported on that and ran with it and sensationalized the
whole bullying et cetera, et cetera, you know, whether it's
Florio or Scheft or any of these guys, instead of
just being like, you know what, we got that one wrong,
Like we believed a story and we got it wrong.
Instead they're justifying it by pointing to a voicemail that
(26:49):
was left from Richie Incognito to Jonathan Martin where he
uses some profanities, some slurs, some things like and in
real time. I remember remember having the discussion here at
Fox Sports Radio and being like, well, just be like,
if you don't know the relationship between two people and
you hear the way.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They talk, bring it into context, man, unless you know,
because if people heard our conversations, they would think you
are the biggest bully in the world. Bro, Like wait,
Jonas Bully's LeVar, Like, are you serious? That's like I
would have never thought it at all, Like Jonas knocks
(27:31):
the way he conducts himself and his communication with I
mean the the text message you sent me right after
I finished my show on Saturday. I was if if
that was like taking out of context, like I would like,
I'm not hilarious, so but you're bullying me. No, but
that was to me. Somebody said that about mine. No,
but you tweet. I felt like it was you sending
(27:53):
it to me like he was pointing. He's like you
are that yeah, right, exactly exactly, Like I know where
it came from. But you put it front and center
on my text message with the do point straight at
me like you got that opened it up. He's points
straight at me. I ran what it said? There, you
(28:14):
have it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I just think I just look, and I'm nowhere close
to being at the level of where you guys were at.
But I grew up with brothers, I grew up with.
My friends from high school football are still my friends.
And this is, you know, twenty years later, Like I
grew up with all these people, and I grew up
(28:36):
in that locker room environment. And to try and explain
to somebody why you would do that to another human
being or say that to another human being doesn't make
sense when you're not in the situation, Like no, no, no,
you don't really mean it like that. That's one of
my best friends. You're just calling him that and saying
(28:56):
that to him because we're just busting balls.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like it's just I mean, and that's generally a lot
of times when you're really close to people, that's kind
of the premise of your relationship, right, Like that's kind
of how your you break on each other all the time.
I've earned that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, like instead of all these years later a guy
comes out and says, oh, yeah, you know, I never believe.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That we would mom to we would be canceled one
hundred times over and and ten minutes of a conversation
of all of us together canceled. And you know what
that's that's the beauty of trusting the people that you're
friends with. That's the beauty of the interaction and and
(29:39):
all the time that you spend, you know, communicating with
one another. And in football you're going through workouts, you're sweating,
you're you're like, it's a lot of struggle that goes
into what takes place in the football arena. So that
when they say you come in as strange, you come
(30:01):
in as strangers, you become teammates, you leave as family.
That's a real statement. You go through so much together
that the bonds that you build are are pretty pretty remarkable.
And that's the one thing that you'll always hear former
players say, the one thing I miss about the game
(30:23):
is the locker room. They'll tell you, like, I miss
being in the locker room, and that's the very thing
that you're talking about. And the reason why you miss
the locker room is because you be laughing at the
stuff that you're saying to one another, or you hear
somebody saying to somebody else it's funny, and it's in fun.
Every once in a while, somebody will take it the
wrong way. You might see a little little lock up,
(30:45):
you know, you might wrestle it out, or you might
have to break them up from swinging every once in
a while. But for the most part, it's just all
in fun. And to me, I always feel like, you know,
outside of some like very specific like ways of looking
at things, how would he be bullying the dude? You're
(31:05):
both you're both linemen. How's he really bullying you? Like
you've had to go through some some trench, like real
trench work to get to where you're at as an
adult player offensive line. Please tell me how he's bullying you?
Now if it was a quarterback, or if it was
like a receiver or like some some type of little
(31:26):
dude like and people are like emotions, don't wear size,
they don't have sizes and weights. I get that, like
the way guy feels okay, I get that you could
potentially be, you know, putting a bully situation as a lineman.
But I'm just saying this dude was not a young guy.
He wasn't he wasn't no rookie guy. It just came
(31:47):
across to me as like you're you're running this victim
victim hood mentality and and you ran it. You ran
it in a way where it kind of ruined the
dude's career. And I didn't know if it was was
accurate or justify or accurate. It just seemed kind of strange,
Like just seems strange if you understand the culture. That's
what it's like.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
When Josh Lambeau the kicker, was accusing Urban Meyer of you. Yeah,
when he was in a stretching line.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, man, I remember in like you heard that come
out of your mouth.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Like I remember, like a coach would like we'd be
in stretch lines and a coach would take his keys
and bang the top of your helmet and it would
rattle your like, bro, I never thought for sale, that's bullying.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
If you could do a playback of the things coaches
say the players and meeting rooms on the football field
on the sideline and drills in practice, if you could
just pull one one raw footage of Greg Williams. One
pull one raw footage of Ray Rhodes. That one, just
(32:48):
pull one raw Ray Rhads hit us one time. You
just gonna let the man just come up in your
house and like this is censored version, You're just gonna
come up in your house. Butt naked midnight and just
look at you in your face while your family sitting
there on the couch and tell you, hey, I'm home,
I'm ready to eat. Where's my plate? He's looking at you.
(33:08):
Then he looks at your woman and he said, where's
my guy name plate? Why he got that long midnight
out for everybody to see. You better get my mother
efing food and you better deliver it to me right
now cause I'm home. Like, you're just gonna let him
(33:28):
just walk up into you. How I'm like that? Huh?
Like they used to say some of the most graphic
tell you what I'm let you do for me? Tell
you I'm gonna let you do it. What's bad about
it is is when you hear them type of dudes
talk about it, you can actually get a mental vision
of what that looks like, Like, dang, would I really
let this dude walk up in my crib button naked like,
(33:50):
looking stronger than me. So now you got it in
your head, it's like, I'm grossed out by it first
and foremost, like this is ridiculous that he would illustrate
it this way. But this is what you're talking about.
Somebody comes in, they're able to run the ball or
do what it is that they want to do on
the football field, and you ain't doing nothing about it.
It's like, dang, I can't be that guy. I can't
(34:14):
be the guy that lets my coach feel this way
about me. It's just gonna walk into my crib but naked,
I can't have me. I'm just saying, bro, you can't.
There's certain things that you cannot overstate in terms of
being sensitive about what the situation is. And that's where
(34:38):
we're at. That's where we're at as a world. That's
where we're at as a culture, as a society, especially here,
I would say, especially here in America, we are so soft,
we gotten so sensitive, We've gotten so comfortable with just
being offended and sensitive to any and everything that's said
(34:59):
or done. It's crazy, man's that's absolutely insane that this
dude would come out. He should have to do time.
He should either have to do time or pay a
penalty to incognito. There should be a penalty. There should
be a consequence, like I say, and I say this
(35:19):
for other things too, like when it comes down to
like you know, like consent and a a if it
comes out that you lying you should have to pay
the cost. Whatever that sentence was going to be. Ye,
you should have to do it. Agreed, you should have
to do it.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
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Speaker 9 (36:40):
We've known that Matthew Stafford's future in LA remains murky,
and this morning we got an update from the athletics
Jordan Rudrieg and her story quote. She says, though it
has been clear of the past month, the Rams are
ready to move on from Cooper Cup, Matthew Stafford's situation
remains fluid. Be sides met to talk about a long
term deal before the Super and although not much progressed
(37:02):
after their ungoing conversations, it will pick back up in
the coming weeks. It's not a given, though, that Stafford
will remain with the Rams, despite both sides initial openness
to work out a deal. Where do you guys think
this thing lands with the Rams and Stafford?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I got a weird feel and it's ober. It feels
like it right.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It seems like it's the obvious thing would be well,
of course he would want to stay and they would
want to make it work. But it feels like going
into last year, there's still maybe some bad blood that
there wasn't more figured out because that also was a
discussion last season and to where like after the year,
Sean McVay was pretty direct when he said, we just
(37:42):
want some clarity on Matt's situation as soon as possible,
and less Snead just said somebody would have to call
us to talk.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
About wanting to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
It's not you know, we love It just feels like
we're coming towards the end.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It doesn't help that in the midst of all those
things that you've mentioned, Jonas, that you make it clear
that you're parting ways with one of his closest friends.
I mean, you got to take that into consideration. That's
like a shot shot across the bow, right, Yeah, like
this is my guy, all right, You're getting rid of
my guy? Like what does this mean for us as
a team moving forward? Just creates a lot of questions,
(38:18):
a lot of uncertainty. So I would tend to agree
with you guys on that It's kind of similar to
what we're seeing in New York with the Jets.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Like with Aaron Rodgers, they have a very younger, young
roster that they're trying to turn the roster over right
to a younger roster. Staff who doesn't really fit that
time in they've drafted. Really they drafted amazing. Yeah, so
like they're trying to get all these young guys with
a younger quarterback, and yeah, it feels like this is
we're trending toward the end.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I just if not him, who ye?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
And that's why, Like the same conversation about the Saints
with Derek Carr, It's like, yeah, maybe you don't think
he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But
if it's not him, who, Like, it just feels like
you got a bunch of quarterbacks who are kind of
in the same spot that are potentially going to be
looking for jobs when they could probably be better.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Off just staying where they are. Yep, Jonahs, this is
gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt you, and I know it
has hurt you, and it's hurt me as well. You
being a Cubs fan, me being an Astros fan.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
But last week's star free agent Olex Bregman signed a
three year, one hundred and twenty million dollars deal with
the Red Sox, But the Red Sox are deferring twenty
million dollars in each of his each year in each
of his three years. The Cubs were a finalist for Bregman,
but according to Bruce Levine out of Chicago, the Cubs
would not be deferring any money on contracts this offseason.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, so at what point do they pay it then?
So that's that's the question. Right. We've seen the Dodgers
here in law years from now, the fifteen Oh it's.
Speaker 9 (39:40):
They're paying it three years after his contract's up, so
like it'll be twenty million each year after that.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
So with the Dodgers, right, we're seeing them do this.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
It's anybody can do this in baseball, right, and the
big market teams like Chicago, Boston they should be doing that, right.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I mean, here's but the problem is the Cubs know
they have the fan the balls because they're selling pointer
is Wrigley Field, and they could roll out a bucket
of vomit every year, and they generally do because the
team generally is underwhelming, and people are still going to
show up because they're selling the ballpark and they're selling
(40:16):
that experience, and they're not going to commit. You know,
we're not deferring contracts anymore. Okay, well, the best team
in baseball does, But why would you want to do that,
Like why why can't people that they got their one
World Series?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
They're good. They just we were good here. We'll worry
about that one.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Hundred years from now, like the last time it happened, Like, no,
we don't win another World Series. Just it feels like
there are certain teams in sports that want to win
and others that want to make money. And they're one
of those teams that are looking at it from a
money standpoint, not not for wins, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
I agree, And I just think that the baseball landscape
has changed. I mean it has. The Dodgers are proving
that this is like the going to be the new
way to go moving forward.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Like if you're not on board, then you were in
you were in Washington, You're okay, you were in Washington, Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Nationals won a World Series. I was there, all right.
Nationals won a World Series and then decided Jason Worth yea,
and then just socided, you know what, we got ours,
we're good, cross Berg and everybody. Bryce Harper, gone, Harper?
Who why am I blanking on the GM? Who is
the GM again? Zzo Rizzo or something like that, something
(41:28):
like that. Yeah, Mike Rizzo, there we go. Yeah, but
it's like they won their no baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, but they won their World Series and even before
that point, we don't need Bryce Harper that's in it.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
This is new balance. Yeah yeah, but can you spell it?
Baseball is right around the corner. Your buccos are backbar. Yeah,
I mean, I like the buckos, but I'm a national.
Oh yeah, yeah, go get a half smoke.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's a Herd Fox Sports Radio. LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox
with you here in for Colin on this Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Normally we do this show alongside Brady Quinn, and you
can hear us normally Monday through Friday, six am Eastern time,
three o'clock Pacific, So this is considerably later than what
we're used to getting on for. Oh feels so good. Yeah,
I gotta admit it feels nice being awake while I'm
doing the show. Let me tell you something that'll five
(00:57):
to six hours of consecutive sleep really underrated, really totally underrated.
If I'll tell you what I woke up, Like, what
the hell it's like? It was like four thirty four
at least cars doing on the road. Wait a second,
I get to go back to sleep. That is the Uh,
(01:18):
let me do that.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
That is the one thing that when we were in
New Orleans for the Super Bowl, like the one the
common question you get from.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Everybody is how do you guys do do it? You
mean get up at one am every day? I just
you know, you just do it. Then we chose to
do a weekend show too. That's what's crazy, Like, all right,
it's not enough. You gotta do one more show and knock
down six days a week. You do weekend show, a
dope weekend show. I had this loser dude that comes
(01:45):
on right immediately out did you like that? Perfect? How
I hit him with that? We had loser in the
topic with Cam Newton. We go into it and immediately
translated into using that as a transition message show. And
that's mess Lissen.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
As your as your technical producer for both your shows
and the weekends, I'm not going to get into the
middle of the fight between mom and daddy.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
That's fair. That's fair as long as I'm dead and
he's mom.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
All I do is promote that whatever that show is,
So there you go, look.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Get your head, We'll get your head. I promote your
show at least three times during the course of my
show at least perfect. I don't know. I think the
over unders two and a half taking the under, okay,
two and a half outside on two and a half
at least two times.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
My favorite part is that people can't don't understand the dynamics,
so they.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Go got this. Oh my gosh, Johnson, they don't like
each other.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
You think that's really should have been there Thursday night
in New Orleans.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
That was all love. That was all love. Oh man,
that was that was too much love. Now we did
we did talk earlier in the show. We were discussing,
you know, the dysfunctional New York Jets, all the dysfunctional
NBA All Star Weekend, the dysfunctional.
Speaker 4 (03:07):
New York Jets that they've still got to thres stories
out there. We go on Aaron Rodgers and then you know,
there's Saquon Barkley Penn State. Later we are another member
of the Stick City Class number eleven, Michael Parsons. He's
seen the Philadelphia Eagles now win a Super Bowl. He's
(03:30):
the Washington from that side of the state, the Washington
Commanders also in the division. They were in the one
title game, the Giants. Who knows address them right now,
but Parsons spoke about the Eagles winning the Super Bowl
and said the following quote, Yeah, that makes me hurt.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Over the past couple of years, we kind of got
our wins and losses against them and battled with them.
Obviously talent is here, but we've got to just finish
and go be aggressive the same way they did. You know,
I don't want to sit back and just watch other
people build and build and build, and we stay the same.
So we definitely need some call to action. That from
Michael Parsons, member of the Dallas Cowboys, what he said
(04:12):
I was wrong, nothing like the problem.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Like like I saw stephen A and other people like
kind of chiming in on it, Like what did he
say that's wrong? Nobody, no one out here should take
any exception to what he just said. What he said
in his quote, what do you say that's wrong? Dak
Prescott made the same comments, and it was even more.
It was even more like at least Mica said, look,
(04:37):
we can beat these teams, like it's it's weird competitive Dak.
The way I heard Dak and how he said it's
like he's disappointed that they weren't in the Super Bowl,
challenging to win the Super Bowl, Like that's delusional, like
one is to me comes from a more a more
grounded space, like we got to get better, Like we're
(04:59):
team that has to get better and not let everybody
else get better and get away from us and get
ahead of us. Whereas I felt like Dak was saying, like, look,
we beat them, we should have won, and I'm terribly
disappointed that we weren't. I mean, maybe I read it wrong,
but I just felt like he was like I'm terribly
or was that Jones, Well, Jerry Jones was disappointed, and
(05:21):
you know, I thought for sure we were going to
lose a Super Bowl and then but.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
The problem is, like you can't keep track of what
each of these guys is saying because it all is
going to result in the same thing, which is they're
never going to win a Super bowlang Like, if Michah
Parsons wants to win a super Bowl, he's got to
get the hell out of Dallas. And I say this
to somebody who's been bullish about the Cowboys. I mean,
there's some reports out there I might have had him
(05:45):
in the Super Bowl this past year. I'm not here
to confirm nor deny any of that stuff. But Michah
Parsons is probably looking around going the way we operate
and do things is a lot different than the best
teams in the league, and we're not close. Like, yeah,
you're in the same division, But I got news for you.
(06:05):
The Bears were in the same division as Alliance, So
what Like the Jets were in the same division as
the Patriots for years. Like, just because you're in the
same division and maybe there's some familiarity and you play
them tight, doesn't mean that you're close to being the
same team, cause there's like, you know, this little thing
called fifteen to sixteen other games you have to play.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So like, I mean, I know that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Listen, you've beaten them a couple of times and you
played them competitively. Dallas wasn't close this year. Dak Prescott
went down with an injury, and this was their quote
unquote all in year.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
That's what he said. I just that's what he said.
Do you find yourself curious as to what the call
to action is that he's referring to? What is the
call to action? What do you do? What would be
the most efficient, most intentional, most effective call to action?
(07:06):
What do you think Michael Parsons was thinking, what do
you think people who are thinking a call to action,
what would the call? What should that call to action be?
If you were going to do something drastic, it would
be at the quarterback position. But they can't because they
already paid him. So you are stuck with and you
(07:30):
do that. And look, Dak Prescott has had good years,
but I just don't it feels like the Cowboys window closed.
Come on, keep trying, you got you gotta keep reaching.
Come on, and you're gonna stop on that one. Well, no,
you're gonna leave it. That personnel on the field, didn't
he didn't he bring up Philadelphia and say Philadelphia? Who's
(07:55):
been getting all the love from Philadelphia? Think about it?
Who's getting the love for them winning the champion? No,
you're on the field, Howie Roseman? All right, of course,
now think about that. Yeah, the GM is getting all
everybody and their mama is singing the praises of the GM.
(08:17):
I'm just wondering because I don't want to put Micah
in no compromising situations because listen, I don't talk to
Micah about what he's got going on professionally or anything
like that. So this is not no inside bit or
anything like that. We strictly family talk about family things.
But I'm just wondering, is the call to action since
we can't replace the owner, you can't replace your call
(08:39):
to action. Can't say we got to replace the owner.
The owner has got to stop doing all of the
meddaling that he's doing. When'd you think the second singular
biggest move that would be a call to action, especially
if you're the best player on the team saying it
and you still haven't done your contract yet. So I'm
(09:01):
telling you there needs to be a call to action,
and that could be gently or lightly positioned to say,
if you want me to redo my contract, you want
me to do a contract that's going to keep me here.
There needs to be some changes made that make us better.
He made a specific statement in comment to getting better,
like they're out here getting better? What are we doing?
(09:23):
What are we doing to me? You can't say, oh, well,
it's the quarterback position. You can't say, oh it's this position.
You got to say that it's the people that are
making the decisions on the personnel of this team that
have to do better. That's the only way you can
make that's the only way you can make way. He
said a valid a valid point of emphasis. Right, yeah, Okay,
(09:48):
he wants he wants to call to action. The problem
is here, you know what a GM.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Well, he wants impossible calls to action because Jerry Jones
is Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones run the show there.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
They're not going anywhere. It's their team. Well, whether they
do it or not, a drastic call to action means
you gotta make a decision that you wouldn't normally want
to make an order to get different results. Okay. The
definition of insanity is doing something repeatedly getting the same
(10:24):
results but expecting different ones. That's insane. They if they
haven't made a move with with their GM situation, like
you don't have to get rid of okay, you don't
have to get risk. The Cowboys have tried twice to
bring in somebody and give them some say in how
you build your roster. One of them was Jimmy Johnson.
(10:45):
That didn't end well.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
The other the other was Bill Parcells who even said,
you gotta let me stop. Yeah, they want you to
cook the dinner. At least want to let me let
me get the groceries.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Like they've tried it.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
It does, So Michael Parson, try it. Miah Parsons in
a spot where he everything he's saying is correct, everything
Dak is saying is correct, everything the fan base is
saying is correct. And you can do nothing about it
until you're not on that team anymore or not a
fan of that team anymore. That's it, just is what.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It is. Crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And if you're Dallas, not a shot in hell you're
you're gonna let Michael Parsons walk like they will pay him.
It will go down to the last minute like it
always does, and he's going to get a huge deal
from them and stay there for at least.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Look at it like this, I'm Michael Parsons. I made
it a point of emphasis to say we need to
be getting better and there needs to be a call
to action. So if there's no real motion that way,
then no one can be upset at this man saying
I want the most top dollar that my position or
(11:52):
a defender in the National Football League can command. Agree,
You're gonna have to pay me the most of anyone
because I am sacrificing my career because the call to
action is bringing somebody in here who can build our team.
The right way. That's that's the call to action. And
if you're not gonna do that, then the fans of
(12:12):
Dallas should not be upset with me. If I'm gonna
have to take a deal and be on this team
that's gonna continue to have malfunctions as the season goes on,
You're gonna you're gonna compensate me for that. You're gonna
compensate me for that. I've proven to you I'm a
historical player, I'm I'm I'm a generational player. And the
(12:35):
call to action is not being met with the type
of ferocity and intensity of making this a real winner.
If you're saying this year was our all in year,
and you're our owner, and you're the employer of me,
you pay my checks, and you're saying this is our
all in year, I got all the information I need
to have in terms of what decision I need to make.
(12:58):
I need to put myself first. I need to put
myself first, because Jerry Jones, Steven Jones, you guys are
putting your sales first.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Do you think Micah And obviously not that you've talked
to him about this, but do you think part of him?
And I wonder if players think like this. They look
around the situation and go to your point, all right,
if we're never gonna compete for a super Bowl, I'm
gonna get paid. You have to like, I'll just take
the most money I can possibly get. I'll have a
great career here, will be somewhat competitive. I'm gonna get
(13:29):
really famous. I'm gonna go to the Hall of Fame.
I'm just never gonna win a Super Bowl here.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And you got to accept it. And what's crazy is
is if you either accept that or you force your
way out. You force your way out, then you go
somewhere different, you see what you got, or you put
your best years, you put your best years down with
a team that isn't going to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Compete for a Super Cause I wonder if that's where
Miles Garrett's at, where he's like, man, like, I'm over it, yeah,
like like I have to choice straight me.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
And And by the way, one of the teams that's
looked at is the potential landing spot for Miles Garrett
is Washington. So if you're Michael Parsons and that happens,
you're looking around your division.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
He wants to go to Dallas. I don't know, I
imagine if you were to get that would that would
be the best sense what where? And and uh Miller
on your edges if you if you pulled that off, geez,
talk about all in. Bring bring Miles Garrett, Bring Miles
Garrett into goud Dang Dallas. That's the start. You want
(14:37):
to say, you're all in, that's the start. Pay Michael Parsons,
bring in Miles Garrett. That's the start.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I was gonna say start. I was going to say, Arrington,
Bruce Smith, we got that record. I mean, we we
forever in that record book. I was only there for
about ten of them. But but but the one that mattered,
that last one that broke it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I was there. I was there. I was on the field,
I was on his side. I was opening moutains. I
gave the pick that got him sprung free and he
got that record. We got that record, y'all. We made
history that day. I want to see if I do
a quick Google search of oh you see me all
on him? I'm draped all on him. Bruce Smith breaks
sack record. You see there's a picture of LeVar Arrington
(15:17):
hudging jumping on Bruce Smith's back. Old Bruce Smith breaks record.
I guarantee you you see me on his back. Look
there it is right there, There is right there. I
ain't got to him yet. I was closed. I hadn't
got there. He just turned around of the camera. We
did did we broke history? I'm telling our prudest baby,
(15:43):
we made history.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
That's that's what I always tell people. Between Leavar and I,
we've been to three Pro Bowls. That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Was that was probably going to be the most significant
achievement in my entire career. I leaved all the way
into that. I ain't let him go. He was trying
to get away. I knew NFL films every day they're
gonna play this thing for ever. I knew this was
my moment. Bruce broke the record. Oh man, it is
(16:16):
the Herd. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas
Knox in for Colin coming up next here though, on
the Herd, we are going to tell you how somebody
did something for the first time in their illustrious career,
and boy it did not sit well with many people.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
We'll get into that for you here on FSR.
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Speaker 4 (17:39):
So we open up the show talking about the complaints
over NBA All Star Weekend, just exactly how that looked,
the dunk contest, the you know, can I say this,
The star of the weekend was Barry Bonds. All right,
Barry Bonds, who was part of the Celebrity game. Okay, yeah,
I think he might have been coaching against Jerry Rice.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I don't worry.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
That was another event for the NBA this weekend. I
didn't watch, but I did see this. Jerry Rice, in
a little trash talk before the game, said how many
rings you got to Barry Bonds? And Barry Bond's always
going to be a fletch. Yeah, Barry Bond said, I
got two divorce rings, so they that's something.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So that quite the same rings he was, you know,
Jerry Rice, I'm certain was referencing. Yeah, those were probably
different type of heart, probably a little bit a little
bit more expensive as well too. But nonetheless, there was
also the complaints that were being levied towards Lebron James,
(18:45):
who decided, for the first time in his career he
was not going to participate in the All Star Game,
and kind of a late notice, kind of a late
scratch of who will didn't let anybody know this ahead
of time, just that weekend decided to show up, and
thus somebody else who could have had an opportunity need
to be an All Star didn't get their opportunity. And
Lebron explained his decision over the weekend.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
You won't see anything for me tonight. Unfortunately. I would
not be in uniform tonight, still dealing with ankle and
foot discomfort, so I will not be playing tonight, unfortunately.
You know, I hate that, but I'm looking forward to
to seeing the format. This is the first year for it.
I know. We got a lot of great call us
to OG's. That's hilarious. We got a few guys with
gray hairs, so that it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Hmm. It's a bummer.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
So, LaVar, when you went to the when you didn't
go to the Pro Bowl, did you also go to
the Pro.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Bowl when I didn't go to the Pro Bowl? Like
if I didn't make it? Yeah, no, oh, why would
I do that? I mean, if you wanted to be seen,
if you wanted to be like part of the story
and the only way you go is if you're pro
like you, you vote me in. I'm there and I'm playing,
you know, but I've never been the greatest football player
(19:55):
in the game either, like actively, I don't I don't
know what liberties you know, Lebron James takes and what
I'll say this. I'll say this, I bet if I'm
Lebron James, which at this point I don't even know
that money is even a deal. But I can't even
(20:15):
imagine the amount of money he's getting to be there
for appearances and different different activations or whatever it may be.
So if if I were there under the premise of
what Lebron James, I would assume Lebron James why he
was on on on site but not playing, Yes, hell yes,
(20:36):
I'd be there well every single time. Got to be
seen to be yeah, I mean that's how you get paid.
That how you get paid.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Got to let everybody know that care Ma, I'm you
trying to make it about him being there so he
could be seen. I'm saying he's one hundred percent there
because he's making money doing it. It's two different things,
like where you can wrap what you're saying up into
him being there to be seen. It leads to dollars,
(21:08):
It leads to revenue, not only for him, but he's
probably generating revenue for the NBA. The relevance of him
being there is important. He's probably doing it for the
TV station that was broadcasting it. The relevance of hearing
his voice and seeing his face is important. It's important
because he's a driver. He's one of the loan drivers,
if not the loan driver of the NBA popularity.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And relevance Right now, can I ask you honest questions? Sure,
what good came out of this weekend for the NBA? Like, no,
and it's not even just Wall You guys are just
being bitter mancause football's over it. No, no, no, it's not
just us. The players didn't like it, the broadcasters didn't
(21:52):
like it. Draymond Green didn't like it, the fans didn't
like it. I don't know what came out of this
weekend that you look and go, oh, well, that was
that was a bright spot, Like at least there was that,
Like even the guy that did win the dunk contest,
all of a sudden there's fatigue. I don't know why
there would be fatigue for a guy winning a three,
but even that people looked.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
At him went yeah, not into it. It just feels
like the entire weekend was know how many people. I
just don't know how many people were aware of the
fact that this was even All Star weekend. Like if
you told me right now, if you hit me and
(22:33):
said LeVar to save your own life, like not die
right now, immediately tell me where was it at. I
might get it wrong. Now I'm gonna say it was
in Golden State. I think it might have been in
the Bay, but I ain't sure if I had that
(22:55):
is correct. But if you were to add me that
and you're saying I dropped it, if I get it wrong,
I ain't answer. I'm gonna take a stat took a
stab at it because there's no there's no you know,
there's no there's no no, nothing happens after. But if
you said your life depends on this answer the question,
(23:18):
I'm not answering to see.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
And I think you knew that because they showed the
logo from the All Star Game this year and it
was a guy in a sleeping bag, So I think
I think she's stupid.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Just the alternate. The alternate logo for the for the
All Star weekend.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Dah yeah with the capture, Will said two different shoes.
Dang yeah, I just I look at it. I go
I don't know what the win was for anybody. By
the way, By the way, that just in cause you
(23:54):
missed this from earlier. Here was Draymond Green broadcasting for
the event in his hometown talking about how he feels
about the new All Star game format.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
You work all.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
Year to be an All Star and you get to
play up to forty and then you're done. This is
so unfair to Victor win Miyama who just took this
game really seriously. Chake Gilgess, Alexander who just took this
game really seriously.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
When you talk about chasing.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Out to the points records, no loo with Kobe and
all these guys who've had great staring knights. They don't
get the opportunity to do that with this game. Also,
we can watch some rising stars. We're about to watch
the Olympic team. Now we get to treat of watching
the Olympic team play against the U nineteen team.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Come on, what are we doing all of one to ten?
Your thoughts of the format? Ten being the best? Yes?
A zero? Sucksang tang ten being the best him making
sure you know that ten is the best way to
sell the product. Guys, he gave you a number that
(24:54):
ain't even a number. Zero ain't even a number.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
By the way, see this, and this is the NFL
is great, because the NFL is like, all right, why
don't we just I mean, listen, if they're not going
to take advantage of this weekend, we'll just throw something
out there. Who's up for Jonathan Martin Richie Incognito from
ten years prior, what story making the rounds where Jonathan
Martin and an interview with the ESPN basically just said, yeah,
(25:19):
I never believed.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was being bullied.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
That was my mom pushing the narrative and pushing that discussion.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
And so Richie Incognito has been making the rounds on
social media calling everybody out schefter Florio.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Zero is a number. It's just of a empty quantity
like Sam Darnold as an empty calorie. But go ahead,
go ahead, that's crazy. Yeah, But Richie and Richie and
he went through all that because of that dude. Yeah,
he went through that. Dude was drug through the mud
over that situation. Like he never. He never really recovered
(25:55):
from that in his career.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
And instead of oh, yeah, because he got Laby, he
got suspended for the final eight games of that season,
and there was a lingering Oh.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
It was just it was, yeah, that was a volatile
like asset. You couldn't touch him, and you don't bother
Miami ended up taking them anyway, Right, wasn't Miami that
ended up? Somebody ended up taking them anyway. I think
he went to the Raiders if I'm not like that
something a little bit after, but it wasn't long. He
was out of there not too long after. That player,
(26:24):
he's a heck of a ballplayer.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
And instead of just any of the people that previously
reported on that and ran with it and sensationalized the
whole bullying et cetera, et cetera, you know, whether it's
Florio or Scheft or any of these guys, instead of
just being like, you know what, we got that one wrong,
Like we believed a story and we got it wrong.
Instead they're justifying it by pointing to a voicemail that
(26:49):
was left from Richie Incognito to Jonathan Martin where he
uses some profanities, some slurs, some things like and in
real time. I remember remember having the discussion here at
Fox Sports Radio and being like, well, just be like,
if you don't know the relationship between two people and
you hear the way.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
They talk, bring it into context, man, unless you know,
because if people heard our conversations, they would think you
are the biggest bully in the world. Bro, Like wait,
Jonas Bully's LeVar, Like, are you serious? That's like I
would have never thought it at all, Like Jonas knocks
(27:31):
the way he conducts himself and his communication with I
mean the the text message you sent me right after
I finished my show on Saturday. I was if if
that was like taking out of context, like I would like,
I'm not hilarious, so but you're bullying me. No, but
that was to me. Somebody said that about mine. No,
but you tweet. I felt like it was you sending
(27:53):
it to me like he was pointing. He's like you
are that yeah, right, exactly exactly, Like I know where
it came from. But you put it front and center
on my text message with the do point straight at
me like you got that opened it up. He's points
straight at me. I ran what it said? There, you
(28:14):
have it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
I just think I just look, and I'm nowhere close
to being at the level of where you guys were at.
But I grew up with brothers, I grew up with.
My friends from high school football are still my friends.
And this is, you know, twenty years later, Like I
grew up with all these people, and I grew up
(28:36):
in that locker room environment. And to try and explain
to somebody why you would do that to another human
being or say that to another human being doesn't make
sense when you're not in the situation, Like no, no, no,
you don't really mean it like that. That's one of
my best friends. You're just calling him that and saying
(28:56):
that to him because we're just busting balls.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Like it's just I mean, and that's generally a lot
of times when you're really close to people, that's kind
of the premise of your relationship, right, Like that's kind
of how your you break on each other all the time.
I've earned that, Oh.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Yeah, like instead of all these years later a guy
comes out and says, oh, yeah, you know, I never believe.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That we would mom to we would be canceled one
hundred times over and and ten minutes of a conversation
of all of us together canceled. And you know what
that's that's the beauty of trusting the people that you're
friends with. That's the beauty of the interaction and and
(29:39):
all the time that you spend, you know, communicating with
one another. And in football you're going through workouts, you're sweating,
you're you're like, it's a lot of struggle that goes
into what takes place in the football arena. So that
when they say you come in as strange, you come
(30:01):
in as strangers, you become teammates, you leave as family.
That's a real statement. You go through so much together
that the bonds that you build are are pretty pretty remarkable.
And that's the one thing that you'll always hear former
players say, the one thing I miss about the game
(30:23):
is the locker room. They'll tell you, like, I miss
being in the locker room, and that's the very thing
that you're talking about. And the reason why you miss
the locker room is because you be laughing at the
stuff that you're saying to one another, or you hear
somebody saying to somebody else it's funny, and it's in fun.
Every once in a while, somebody will take it the
wrong way. You might see a little little lock up,
(30:45):
you know, you might wrestle it out, or you might
have to break them up from swinging every once in
a while. But for the most part, it's just all
in fun. And to me, I always feel like, you know,
outside of some like very specific like ways of looking
at things, how would he be bullying the dude? You're
(31:05):
both you're both linemen. How's he really bullying you? Like
you've had to go through some some trench, like real
trench work to get to where you're at as an
adult player offensive line. Please tell me how he's bullying you?
Now if it was a quarterback, or if it was
like a receiver or like some some type of little
(31:26):
dude like and people are like emotions, don't wear size,
they don't have sizes and weights. I get that, like
the way guy feels okay, I get that you could
potentially be, you know, putting a bully situation as a lineman.
But I'm just saying this dude was not a young guy.
He wasn't he wasn't no rookie guy. It just came
(31:47):
across to me as like you're you're running this victim
victim hood mentality and and you ran it. You ran
it in a way where it kind of ruined the
dude's career. And I didn't know if it was was
accurate or justify or accurate. It just seemed kind of strange,
Like just seems strange if you understand the culture. That's
what it's like.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
When Josh Lambeau the kicker, was accusing Urban Meyer of you. Yeah,
when he was in a stretching line.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Yeah, man, I remember in like you heard that come
out of your mouth.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
Like I remember, like a coach would like we'd be
in stretch lines and a coach would take his keys
and bang the top of your helmet and it would
rattle your like, bro, I never thought for sale, that's bullying.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
If you could do a playback of the things coaches
say the players and meeting rooms on the football field
on the sideline and drills in practice, if you could
just pull one one raw footage of Greg Williams. One
pull one raw footage of Ray Rhodes. That one, just
(32:48):
pull one raw Ray Rhads hit us one time. You
just gonna let the man just come up in your
house and like this is censored version, You're just gonna
come up in your house. Butt naked midnight and just
look at you in your face while your family sitting
there on the couch and tell you, hey, I'm home,
I'm ready to eat. Where's my plate? He's looking at you.
(33:08):
Then he looks at your woman and he said, where's
my guy name plate? Why he got that long midnight
out for everybody to see. You better get my mother
efing food and you better deliver it to me right
now cause I'm home. Like, you're just gonna let him
(33:28):
just walk up into you. How I'm like that? Huh?
Like they used to say some of the most graphic
tell you what I'm let you do for me? Tell
you I'm gonna let you do it. What's bad about
it is is when you hear them type of dudes
talk about it, you can actually get a mental vision
of what that looks like, Like, dang, would I really
let this dude walk up in my crib button naked like,
(33:50):
looking stronger than me. So now you got it in
your head, it's like, I'm grossed out by it first
and foremost, like this is ridiculous that he would illustrate
it this way. But this is what you're talking about.
Somebody comes in, they're able to run the ball or
do what it is that they want to do on
the football field, and you ain't doing nothing about it.
It's like, dang, I can't be that guy. I can't
(34:14):
be the guy that lets my coach feel this way
about me. It's just gonna walk into my crib but naked,
I can't have me. I'm just saying, bro, you can't.
There's certain things that you cannot overstate in terms of
being sensitive about what the situation is. And that's where
(34:38):
we're at. That's where we're at as a world. That's
where we're at as a culture, as a society, especially here,
I would say, especially here in America, we are so soft,
we gotten so sensitive, We've gotten so comfortable with just
being offended and sensitive to any and everything that's said
(34:59):
or done. It's crazy, man's that's absolutely insane that this
dude would come out. He should have to do time.
He should either have to do time or pay a
penalty to incognito. There should be a penalty. There should
be a consequence, like I say, and I say this
(35:19):
for other things too, like when it comes down to
like you know, like consent and a a if it
comes out that you lying you should have to pay
the cost. Whatever that sentence was going to be. Ye,
you should have to do it. Agreed, you should have
to do it.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
It is The Herd here Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next here in
the headline News, we're going to tell you how things
are getting a little bit interesting. It's a player who's
a Super Bowl champion and a team who's a recent
Super Bowl winner, and apparently they might be going their
separate ways. We'll get into the details on that for
you here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
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No No, No, the news. This is the herd Line
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Speaker 9 (36:40):
We've known that Matthew Stafford's future in LA remains murky,
and this morning we got an update from the athletics
Jordan Rudrieg and her story quote. She says, though it
has been clear of the past month, the Rams are
ready to move on from Cooper Cup, Matthew Stafford's situation
remains fluid. Be sides met to talk about a long
term deal before the Super and although not much progressed
(37:02):
after their ungoing conversations, it will pick back up in
the coming weeks. It's not a given, though, that Stafford
will remain with the Rams, despite both sides initial openness
to work out a deal. Where do you guys think
this thing lands with the Rams and Stafford?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
I got a weird feel and it's ober. It feels
like it right.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
It seems like it's the obvious thing would be well,
of course he would want to stay and they would
want to make it work. But it feels like going
into last year, there's still maybe some bad blood that
there wasn't more figured out because that also was a
discussion last season and to where like after the year,
Sean McVay was pretty direct when he said, we just
(37:42):
want some clarity on Matt's situation as soon as possible,
and less Snead just said somebody would have to call
us to talk.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
About wanting to make a deal.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
It's not you know, we love It just feels like
we're coming towards the end.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
It doesn't help that in the midst of all those
things that you've mentioned, Jonas, that you make it clear
that you're parting ways with one of his closest friends.
I mean, you got to take that into consideration. That's
like a shot shot across the bow, right, Yeah, like
this is my guy, all right, You're getting rid of
my guy? Like what does this mean for us as
a team moving forward? Just creates a lot of questions,
(38:18):
a lot of uncertainty. So I would tend to agree
with you guys on that It's kind of similar to
what we're seeing in New York with the Jets.
Speaker 9 (38:24):
Like with Aaron Rodgers, they have a very younger, young
roster that they're trying to turn the roster over right
to a younger roster. Staff who doesn't really fit that
time in they've drafted. Really they drafted amazing. Yeah, so
like they're trying to get all these young guys with
a younger quarterback, and yeah, it feels like this is
we're trending toward the end.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I just if not him, who ye?
Speaker 4 (38:44):
And that's why, Like the same conversation about the Saints
with Derek Carr, It's like, yeah, maybe you don't think
he's one of the best quarterbacks in the league. But
if it's not him, who, Like, it just feels like
you got a bunch of quarterbacks who are kind of
in the same spot that are potentially going to be
looking for jobs when they could probably be better.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Off just staying where they are. Yep, Jonahs, this is
gonna hurt. It's gonna hurt you, and I know it
has hurt you, and it's hurt me as well. You
being a Cubs fan, me being an Astros fan.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
But last week's star free agent Olex Bregman signed a
three year, one hundred and twenty million dollars deal with
the Red Sox, But the Red Sox are deferring twenty
million dollars in each of his each year in each
of his three years. The Cubs were a finalist for Bregman,
but according to Bruce Levine out of Chicago, the Cubs
would not be deferring any money on contracts this offseason.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, so at what point do they pay it then?
So that's that's the question. Right. We've seen the Dodgers
here in law years from now, the fifteen Oh it's.
Speaker 9 (39:40):
They're paying it three years after his contract's up, so
like it'll be twenty million each year after that.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
So with the Dodgers, right, we're seeing them do this.
Speaker 9 (39:47):
It's anybody can do this in baseball, right, and the
big market teams like Chicago, Boston they should be doing that, right.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
I mean, here's but the problem is the Cubs know
they have the fan the balls because they're selling pointer
is Wrigley Field, and they could roll out a bucket
of vomit every year, and they generally do because the
team generally is underwhelming, and people are still going to
show up because they're selling the ballpark and they're selling
(40:16):
that experience, and they're not going to commit. You know,
we're not deferring contracts anymore. Okay, well, the best team
in baseball does, But why would you want to do that,
Like why why can't people that they got their one
World Series?
Speaker 2 (40:28):
They're good. They just we were good here. We'll worry
about that one.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
Hundred years from now, like the last time it happened, Like, no,
we don't win another World Series. Just it feels like
there are certain teams in sports that want to win
and others that want to make money. And they're one
of those teams that are looking at it from a
money standpoint, not not for wins, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (40:49):
I agree, And I just think that the baseball landscape
has changed. I mean it has. The Dodgers are proving
that this is like the going to be the new
way to go moving forward.
Speaker 4 (40:57):
Like if you're not on board, then you were in
you were in Washington, You're okay, you were in Washington, Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Nationals won a World Series. I was there, all right.
Nationals won a World Series and then decided Jason Worth yea,
and then just socided, you know what, we got ours,
we're good, cross Berg and everybody. Bryce Harper, gone, Harper?
Who why am I blanking on the GM? Who is
the GM again? Zzo Rizzo or something like that, something
(41:28):
like that. Yeah, Mike Rizzo, there we go. Yeah, but
it's like they won their no baseball.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, but they won their World Series and even before
that point, we don't need Bryce Harper that's in it.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
This is new balance. Yeah yeah, but can you spell it?
Baseball is right around the corner. Your buccos are backbar. Yeah,
I mean, I like the buckos, but I'm a national.
Oh yeah, yeah, go get a half smoke.
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