October 1, 2025 • 39 mins
Jonas, LaVar, and Brady react to Sean Payton insisting that the Tush Push is the safest play in the NFL. Brady breaks down how freshmen quarterbacks are better than they've ever been. Plus, this week's edition of The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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guys have MLB playoffs fever? Are you guys got the fever?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah? Do you guys got that fever? Watch that? Yeah,
let's go. Hear, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I stop watching it, have no I love it. I
love the MLB playoffs. The Boston one, the Boston the
Boston one. The Dodgers won, the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The Dodgers were kicking butt, right, who's the last one?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The Cubs they want?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Go Cubs, go depeche mode. That's so, my son says
to Brady whenever he's on the on the horn, and uh,
your guardians came up short, though, but you know they've
got another game to try.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And time this out.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was texting Brady this last night. I don't I
find this absurd. Garrett Crochet the picture for the Red
Sox through one hundred and seventeen pitches last night, which
nowadays never happens. His final pitch number one seventeen, he
threw one hundred miles an hour gas. There's no way
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that's good for your body. I cannot imagine that far
into your game. That's not including warm up pitches. I
just well, look either, there's just say it. I hope
he's on everything.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Ah, He's on all of.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It, everything, Like, hey, what can I get you that
entire side right over there? Like that, There's no possible
way that you can just do that to your body,
throwing that hard that many pitches, not including warm up
pitches in between innings or before the game, and you
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just come out of that, it's like, all right, well,
I'll be ready to go, you know, three to three
to five days from now. I just I don't get it.
And I know nowadays, like I think Tommy John surgeries
are up around baseball, and there's been some concerns, you know,
with certain like the Dodgers, And we could ask Petris
about that. The Dodgers have had a lot of pitchers
with issues like that. And I don't know if it's
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just that they're teaching people to throw hard.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Dude's one Tommy John. Like once they get Tommy John,
they is stronger half the time, Yeah, and more than
half the time.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I just I don't know. It seems like guys are
throwing so fast now and at some point there's got
isn't there a breaking point? Like your body can't go
any fast?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The person I feel bad for is the catcher? Like,
think about that, dude, Like they're the ones who are
are wearing that one hundred mile an hour fastball for
one hundred and whatever pitches.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What was the hardest fastball you threw when you were
playing like high eighties?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I haven't got a clock since I was like
probably a sophomore junior in high school. It's hard even
need to get that to that point. But I would
say this Tommy John's like was a Rookie of the Year.
Do we talk about this before Henry road and Gardner? Yeah,
that's essentially what it is, which not many people remember
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that movie, but that was.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
What do you remember that Henry Roan Gardner Henry Roadan
Gardner on Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I don't remember the guy's name that was.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That was probably not a movie that var at that
at that time watched, which there would be no reason to.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Gary Busey was in it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I know that night. Yeah, yeah, I just you have
to look it up. It wasn't. The storyline would would
have been like why am I watch this?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's about a kid, some little white kid breaks his
arm and then all of a sudden because he breaks
his arm.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
He can. It's like the way it's set, it's like
a sling shot. So yeah, and he helps basically make
the Cubs competitive.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, okay, so that's how you know, it's not realistic,
that's funny, okay. And nowadays it's actually happening. Guys are
coming from Tommy John. They're throwing one hundred miles an hour.
Everybody throws one hundred miles an hour. Samarga, I think
Samarja when he was pitching like mid to high nineties,
Oh yeah, that would be eh. He's all right, compared
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to nowadays, Mason Miller for the padres through one oh
three yesterday, that's insane. I don't know how. And and
guys are like, you can win a batting title now
and you're batting like three oh five. I think Trey
Turner won it and he's batting three oh six. And man,
there was a year that Tony Gwynn almost about four hundred.
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It's just like the entire thing. It's so skewed now
to where guys are throwing so hard that if you
just you're just trying to hit home runs, like that's
all you're trying to do now. So so anybody that wonders, like,
is there are there any you know, guys out there
that are just absurd, you know, like the NFL has
taken away you know a lot of these big hits,
you know, some of the up back in the day.
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Don't worry about it. Like there's a bunch of Nolan
Ryan still in the game of baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You used to be able to use an aluminum bat
in the MLB. There was a time, wasn't there No
never just in uh just college yeah, just end never okay, yeah,
because you probably like there'd be home runs every play.
What was the thing about, dude, some might die, somebody
might die.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Have you I mean, have you seen even in college baseball,
like the shots that pitchers or yeah, third basement take
with those things. Yeah, because it is fun though watching
college baseball because a team could be down like thirteen
to two, and then a college team will have like
a nine run in eight Like it's just it's like
it's like those bats like it just touches the ball
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and they go flying everywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I just know, my fondest memories of my short period
of time being into baseball and trying to play it
and stuff like that was the way the bat sounded.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. There's a This is so nerdy,
but I'll watch it with my sub There's this guy
who's got a YouTube channel. It's called Baseball bat Bros.
And all he does is sample aluminum bats. And this
guy hits tanks like he gets every aluminum batty I
don't I think he played baseball. You sent the picture
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of Tyreek Hill definitely in him.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Are they still using those wear bats right now in
the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All the torpedo bat.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
A torpedo bite, I think, I think you can. I
think are are you saying guys using them?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But it's not. I don't know that it had the
effect that a lot of people thought it was was having.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But just get on everything and cork the bats whatever
you gotta do. Uh makes it more entertaining. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Should the Cincinnati Bengals, should they take up baseball? Geeze,
considering they don't want to play football anymore? Geez, I
mean we were talking about an Ohio team.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm not saying anything that fan base gets really mad
and whatever I chime in on how cheap they are.
I'm just saying it's weird. It's like they have a
big issue.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
We were kicking around, you could chop down your roster,
you know, less players.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We were kicking around the idea of should they trade
for a quarterback? And then once Kirk Cousin's name got
brought up, Brady pointed out, yeah, the price tags a
little steep. And then you think about it, well, apparently
every price tag for the Bengals is steep.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So you know, I said, Jameis Winston, yeah, which, and
then I think Florida came out yesterday and wrote an
you know, Jameis Winston would be a good Yeah, of
course it would be.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Huh oh. People ear hustle our show all the time.
We joke around a lot, but we actually say some
interesting ear hustle.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, Doug Gottlit's always like reacting to whatever or something.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
He loves to react to our show.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And the weird thing is he reacts is something I'm like,
I don't even remember saying anything about a j Brown
yesterday that popped up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, somebody else looks it up for him and puts
it in front of him. It's not like he's like, hey,
pull that sound on Brady.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
From A Brown yesterday. Remember that.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, Sirianni responded to it. The speaks stuff Sirianni out
of be aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So I know we talked about that part. I'm just saying,
like I don't ever really say anything.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think I'm going to meet this dude. I think
he's doing something with Penn State Baseball and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Working baseb Yeah, the guy I just sent you though,
it is not the guy that Jonas is talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh, I'm going to meet this guy that you're talking about.
I'm pretty certain he's.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like a Canadian YouTuber. Really good dude. His content's fun
to watch. I watched him. Yeah, I want to meet him.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So, speaking of plays and uh, things that you know
a little bit unique, much like the aluminum bat. The
Philadelphia Eagles have a unique play. It's their aluminum bat.
It's called the Tush Push. People are not thrilled with
the Tush Push. They're not happy that the play still exists,
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except for, of course, Sean Payton, who's the head coach
of the Denver Broncos who are taking on the Philadelphia
Eagles this weekend. And Sean Payton said this about the play.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I was one that stood up in favor of. The
reason I stood up in favor of is pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reason, you know, or it's hard to officiate, etc.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But I've been involved in.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Those meetings for a long time, and when all of
a sudden, health and safety was pulled into that, which
might be the safest play in football, my bullet nose
kind of went up. Look at the quarterback sneak. You know,
as long as the line of scrimmage is clean, it's
a well run quarterback speak.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So that was Sean Payton on the Orange and Blue
podcast talking about the etape.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But this isn't apples oranges comparison. No one's ever had
an issue at the quarterback sneak because you weren't aiding
the runner. There was no one who was pushing the
runner forward, which was why the rule was illegal in
the first place. So I just want to be clear
on this. There was a rule, and the only reason,
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and we talked to Dean Blandino about this, the only
reason it's not still a rule is because they didn't
feel like they could officiate it, which at this point
one now we're hearing that about the tush push, that
they don't feel like they can properly officiate it because
of whether it's a false start or other issues within that.
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Now you're hearing that murmur come out. I would take
issue with the fact that it's a safe play. I
do feel like there will be a neck injury that
happens at some point, whether that's the defensive player trying
to stop it or an offensive player with the angles
in which they strike the person across from them. And
then the last thing I'll just say is we can't
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officiate it.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We have enough cameras, we have enough angles to sit
there and say that we can't officiate the aiding or
pushing of a runner is bs like that was the
rule twenty plus years ago and they did away with
it because of that. Now that's not the case. So
I don't know, Like, here's my thing is I really
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don't have a dog in the fight. Like if it
stays a part of football, fine, I don't love it
as a football play. It doesn't look like a football play.
It feels like a rugby play. It feels like kind
of a ho hum, you know, are we gonna watch this?
Do this? Again, and the quarterback sneak was always fine.
It's always fine, there's nothing wrong with it. It was
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more of an enticing play when it happened, because sometimes
they got it, sometimes they didn't. This it has become
so dominant that now it's almost like a well, we
know they're gonna get it, so let's just move on
to the next play. There is that element of all this.
But here's what I want to do. I want to
take a vote, like, is there anyone who's like staunchly
on our our show against this.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'm I'm against pushing, and I've told you guys that, like, yeah,
which for safety reasons too, right, Yeah, and not to me.
It's more egregious on other plays than it is on
the on the touch push. It is because you have
guys that are getting stood up by defenders, and these
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offensive linemen think it's okay to run twenty yards and
hit not only their guy or hit the defender, but they're.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hitting their own guy to push their guy forward two
three yards.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It might be the difference between a first down and
being fourth down in a yard or something like that,
but you're running into your own players to aid them
going forward. That's to me, the pushing aspect of it
is the most egregious aspect of it for competitive reasons,
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not not for to me, I don't even yes, safety
comes into play. But let's just take a second here
and think about the idea of if your forward progress
is stopped, the play is over.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So to me, if you if a guy can run
up when your forward progress is stopped and then they
come and hit you and they aid you going forward,
to me, that's cheating.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's not to me, that's not football. And I also
like to see that to that point though, there also
is the element of like, what is forward progress stopped?
And as it stopped? Sure like that, there's there's an
element to the play of which you know, we've seen
times where the runner stopped, the defensive stopped him, and
then alignment comes from behind and shoves him forward and
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again the toush push play, but he stays up, he
gets another three, four, five yards or they're like, oh
what a what a second effort. It's like, well, it's
not him, it's it's the three guys behind him pushing him.
And you look at that and you just go is
that easy to officiate? I mean, again, before the toush
push became something that was utilized, even those plays, they
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would have been like, no, his forward progress was stopped
and now all that stuff continue.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Would stop those guys from doing that bs if you
made it illegal again, like stop making it okay for
these big ass offensive lineman to go running towards the
pals like that.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm indifferent on it. I think it's gonna be gone
next year. I think they're already, you know, setting the
table to get rid of it. Not it's difficult to
officiate all that. I'm indifferent on the whole thing. If
they want to keep it, fine, get rid of it,
that's fine. My favorite part those when people say, well,
you know, Jalen hurts. I mean, he's squats six hundred pounds.
That's why there's so much better at it than every
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All right, So if that's the case, why can't he
just do a quarterback sneak? Why does he need three
guys to push him from behind? That's correct, Like, it's
just I think that Nick Sirianni knows. That's why he's
probably busting out all these plays, that he's got these
counters to it, and he's talking about how exciting the
play is like he was on Monday being a wise
ass about the whole thing. I think he knows it's
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probably gonna be gone, and then they're just gonna have
to go back to the quarterback sneak and they're probably
going to be, if not as successful, pretty close to
a successful at picking up that extra yard as they will.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And maybe that's why they're starting to show you the
different variations of what they can do now that they've
gotten people convinced you can't stop the touch push, so
now they've added wrinkles to the play itself. My biggest
question would be, if you do away with the touch push,
what are the rules that do away with it, because
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you could still have a variation of what the toush
push represents, right like, say, for instance, okay, you can't
push the ball carrier, right, Well, what if you put
an say for if if this is me, I'm like, okay,
here's my cheek code to it, and lets you push
this out as well. I'm going to put one of
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my I'm going to have one of my offensive linemens
switched to like the refrigerator Perry or Warren sap whatever.
I'm going to put them in the gap that we're
going to run towards, and I'm going to say, blow
that gap open, push push the guard, or or push
the center, or push the tackle, whatever it may be.
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Blow that gap open, and our quarterback is going to
get behind you and push behind the full back. The
fullback is going to be the pusher. And now the
quarterback gets behind and listen, does it? Does it in
theory work out that way if they were to run it,
I don't know. I mean, but I know you can
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line up your fullback as close to the ball as
you like. So if you're gonna run, if you're gonna
try to create a variation, where does the rules stop?
Is it just no pushing? Like, for instance, you can't
aid and push a defender through the field goal line.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You can't do it. You can't drive a guy over
top of the center. That's a rule.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Are you gonna Are you gonna ban pushing or are
you going to ban aiding the runner? Like, because in
that scenario you could still kind of buck the system
and say, Okay, we're just gonna put a big guy
up on the line of scrimmage that is a fullback,
and he's going to push, and that's where the quarterback
is gonna go push, And I don't care if you
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know that it's coming there, you're not gonna be able.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
To stop it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
If that quarterback can get behind that, that that blocker
who's going to aid the line, the line of scrimmage,
and that quarterback gets behind him, you're not stopping that.
For a yard, for a yard's game, a yard and
a half, maybe two yards, you're not stopping it. So
I don't know how the rule would read out, How
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would the rule, how would it be defined in terms
of what you're able to do and what you're not
able to do. That's what they're going to have to
be clear on if they're going to get rid of
the play, because you can still find variations of it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Didn't Tampa signed that big dude? What's from Florida? Why
am I blanket on his names?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Watson?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Did he even play last week?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Wasn't that supposed to be their counter? I don't think
he played. So you know, Nick Sirianni's out there like,
all right, you guys want to play that game, that's fine.
We'll just run a couple of counters off this, you know,
and have a good time with the whole thing. I
just it is kind of kind of wild that that
play has generated as much of a of as much
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of a heat heated conversation one way or the other
that you got, you know, Jeffrey Lorie dropping gems in
the owners meeting that people were offended by, like it
just the whole thing is, the whole thing is mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, you know what bothers me a little bit about it, though,
is it's kind of taken away the full back dive.
You know, we used to have full backs and they
were in there for shore yardage, not only to blow
someone up, but sometimes you give them the football to
give them a little bit of love. Then they barrel
their way through, you know, this big extra big shoulder pads,
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like a neck roll. It's kind of done away with
it a little bit. Where like those guys now they're out,
they're walking around. I'm not sure what they're doing for
a job, you know, I mean maybe they're a finance
bro you know, maybe they're doing some hard labor somewhere else,
some construction. They got a jackhammer. That's taking all their
frustrations out because they weren't given the opportunity to stay
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in the league as a full back with no neck.
You know, just that just app slowly yoked out of
their mind. Great athlete, just no appreciation for the fact
that they're so jacked up they can't raise their hands
above their their shoulders. Yeah, you know. I mean, if
you're throwing some them out of the backfield, you're gotta
put that thing right in the bread basket. If it's
anywhere eye level, that's a risk. It's probably a drop.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
As a quarterback, you knew that. Like a full back
out of the backfield, you're like, oh small catch rated
us here man, you know, especially for those guys who
were really yoked up like that. But I just I mean,
think think about back in the day, Lorenzo O'Neil. I mean,
guys who would just knock you cross eyed. And those
guys like they're not they're not really around anymore. Like
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the death of the full back. Also, I think it's
played a part in this. It's led us to short
yardage plays where we had to get all creative, you know,
we had to superman that ho like, like we had
to do all that to push them across for the
first down. I mean, I wish he had full batch.
I think America was better when we had fullbacks.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I would agree, And there's no question. I don't think it's,
you know, just a coincidence that the Ravens have struggled
and Patrick Ricard hasn't played this year. I don't think
you know, he's not in the lineup. He's doing like
a calf issue or something like.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
God damn, what a gigantic athletic specimen.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And by the way, they just you mentioned they don't
have a neck. Did they have a neck when they
started playing full back and it just slowly got jammed
in as they were hitting the line.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's LeVar, he had to go up against full back.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I know your neck gets sore. Though your neck gets
sore dealing with dudes like that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Maybe Davis Mills should play full back for me in
a couple of games.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Be honest, as a linebacker in today's game, LeVar, wouldn't
you say it's easier from that standpoint, like you're not
going up against those like full back ISOs with like
that whole opens up and you're like, yep, me and
him and I'm gonna have to go try to crack
this dude who's probably five 't ten two hundred and
forty five pounds with no neck.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, which fullback gave you that?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Wark? I mean me and z O'Neil definitely definitely went
to with.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The war views. Everyone's got a Lorenzo Neil story by
the way, Like DJ Williams tell us one of the
greatest lorenzo'il story ever, like how he was like all
nice to him and stuff before the game and then
knocked him flat out like Friday, and then it was like, hey, man,
you're right, come on, get up, you're right, Like we're
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gonna do this in the next play. What's my my
fullback from?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I'm blanking on his name and he's a Penn State
fullback and he played for the Bills, he played for
the Ravens Man he wore eleven too before we get
a full back fullback? Why am I blanking on him?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Huh dang? Why am I blanking on him?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well? Anyway that there were I think Max Strong was
was tough to deal with.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
One of the most confusing fullbacks was Mike Alstott because
he could run like a tailback. Yeah, Sam Gash, there
we go, Thank you very much. Sam Gash, and Sam
Gash was on that level of zoe'nil that's on.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
A porn star name.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
He definitely would gas your ass, that's for certain, Sam Gash,
that is anyway. He was on that level of physicality
of like had to build up pads like this is
what you got to understand about dudes like Zoe Nil
and those guys. They literally built their pads to be
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able to mule you like his Oh you remember ram
Man from He Man, Like you just been smashing down
and then he pop up like. That's what them dudes were, man,
and that was their only The only thing they really
really cared about doing was running through the line of
scrimmage and trying to obliterate you.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But I used to love that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I ain't gonna lie because for one, they can't to me,
they can't move real well, so I ola. You know,
they say, that wasn't what you were supposed to do,
But I like to mix in a nice healthy olay
here and there. Because the way their pads are built,
they can't lift their head up to be able to
see you, so their head is down. They're coming through
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the hole the line of scrimmage. They're just expecting you
to have to be there to be able to force
it back or spill it out. So they know you're
going to be there, so they're coming full speed to
hit you. I get you an olay here and there,
and then I get you thinking about it, like all right,
get your head up, you come down. You come through
the hole running like that coming downhill. You got your
head down. I'm gonna make you look really stupid. Now.
(25:33):
Granted I may miss the tackle, but you did fall
into the ground because you thought you was about to
hit somebody and I wasn't there and maybe pop back in,
but that was an intimidating moment of you seeing Sam
Gash or freaking.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Lorenzo Nil.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, Lorenzo Nil coming through that line of scrimmage. That
was aready intimidating. Glad you know where then is?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, the heart day come out. But you're you're a
tall drink of water and like they're they already have leverage,
they're already lowered than you. Yeah, so like for you
to get as like their height or lower not going,
it's going to be extremely difficult. So you'd have to
almost use that move, but that usually depends. But speaking
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kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean so true freshman quarterbacks specifically, you know
guys who they may have enrolled early in January, but
they just got there in twenty twenty five. There's some
guys who stand out man, I mean Bryce Underwood and Michigan.
He's one of the ones at the top of the list.
Obviously a very heralded recruit, but I mean oozes with
(28:41):
ability and just it feels like he's prepared to take
over a blue blood program like that. Bear Bachmeyer at
BYU and that was obviously a crazy deal because he
originally wasn't going to go there. They had their quarterback
in place, but due to some of the rules there
uh in provo utah uh that no longer worked out.
(29:04):
So bear Bachmeyer is a true freshman, ended up finding
his way to e y U and and he has
been phenomenal so far this year. He's if you haven't
watched him play, he's I wouldn't call him like Tim Tebow,
but there's kind of some of those similarities. Like you know,
stock your guy a runner but still effective throwing the football,
(29:26):
but a ton of fun to watch and then uh
drawn cave Singapore putule for cow. He's a true freshman,
I believe. Yeah, it's it's a hard name to pronounce.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
He's done a tremendous job. Like you get going down
the list. Malik Washington at Maryland. He's been phenomenal for
them so far.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So uh, I just I look at the state of
college football and I look at all these young, you know,
quarterbacks who are true freshmen, and like you could speak
to this to be someone who comes in you know,
from high school. And even if they get there in January,
like you get a spring in, you get some practices,
you get a feel for the offense, defense. It's a
(30:07):
big difference than like red shirting because you can get everything,
kind of figure it out, and then focus on football
the following year. Like these cats are leading their teams.
They're all doing extremely well. Like I'm telling you, Maryland's
a team to keep your eye on because of this kid,
Milike Washington. But even like Bryce Underwood, who I know
(30:28):
they lost to Oklahoma, but that was kind of it
and once they started running him, then you see what
he's truly capable of. Like all those teams bole I
use ranked, they're having a good season so far. It's
just to me, it's incredibly impressive. These guys are true freshmen,
in many cases eighteen years old, and they don't look
like it. They look wise beyond their years. The way
they're playing the.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Game difficult to get great production from a freshman. It's
just difficult, and especially at a position where it requires
a whole lot of mental reps and things that are
you know, connected to it, like a quarterback's position. So yeah,
I mean, I would say even just looking at it,
(31:09):
like man is playing middle linebacker's that's a more difficult position.
Maybe the most maybe safety might be you know, up
there with it, but linebacker. Middle linebacker historically is generally
like it's that's the quarterback of the defense, and they
have to talk to the defensive coordinator. They have the
(31:30):
microphone in their helmet and have to know where guys
are supposed to be. I never wanted to know where
everybody else. I never wanted to have the responsibility of
having to tell people where they needed to be, you know,
when I came out of the huddle or if we
went no huddle and we're standing out there. I want
to be able to look at, Okay, this is what
(31:52):
I have pass coverage wise, this is what I have
run run fits wise, And I understand why those are
my fits. I understand that that's why that's my drop.
I didn't want to sit there and have to tell
the corner, why it was a cut call or why
it was a banjo call, Like I'll make the call
banjo banjo, Like, let's be on the same page whether
(32:15):
banjo for you meant play it or whether banjo meant that.
We were, you know, kind of shifting, you know, switching
coverages depending on what the receivers did in their past releases.
So you know, when you're talking about the quarterback's position,
like for instance, just on Saturday, you know, I had
observations that like I'm looking at Drew. Drew's like a
(32:37):
you know, he's seasoned VET in college, and I don't
feel like he was pre snap recognizing what Oregon was
trying to do to him with the with the rushes,
with the pressures. And then you take that along with
trying to identify pre snap what you feel the defense
is trying to run. Coverage wise, there are a lot
(32:57):
of things that could stretch you out pre snap. You know,
that lead to stress during the snap for a quarterback,
and it all falls on your shoulders and you literally
have you know, two seconds really to kind of like
max out what you're thinking about and then take action
within that third second or get hit or get fleshed
(33:18):
out whatever it may be. So to have that type
of success so early when you're like eighteen, when some
of these guys are super super super super super reclass,
they might be twenty one to twenty two year old freshman's.
That are true, but I mean, but for the most part,
these cats are young. If you got a real young
(33:40):
cat that's like eighteen nineteen years old coming into college
and they're able to deal like that at an early age,
you got to assume that it's going to be hard
for in these days in times, it's going to be
hard for you to be able to keep that quarterback
for the duration of their time. And then secondly, like
if you can't keep them, if you can't keep that
(34:01):
young town eighteen.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I was working at Toys r US. I was just
thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I was riding a bike.
Great store. They didn't bring that back.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree, a nice store. There are some I
think it Macy's, uh specific Macy's around the country. They
do a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They close toys rs and uh what didn't they close
party cities down to Yeah, and they were connected to
toys rs right where they like I believe.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So, yeah, they used to be. To your point, LeVar,
there was literally a party city right next to Toys
r Us back where they both shut down, but also
like a place where you're like, oh, I'm gonna get
some party stuff. Crap. Party city closed down, like now
you have nowhere to go because everybody. Toys r Us
was awesome because you could go in there and really
(34:47):
test out toys, like you could take it through the
ringer before you actually took it home. And as a parent,
I kind of liked it, you know. I kind of
liked the fact that the kid could play with a
little bit, you know, and maybe even convince them that,
you know, that's not gonna be for you, we're gonna
crawl that soon, and so you almost got to like
rend it for kind of free.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That was the reason why I got good grades in
grade school.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
They would have like people would just be riding the
bikes through the aisle, like you like that bike, will
try it out, like take it through the Action figure out.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I was in the Action figures.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That was my deal.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
If I did well in school, I got great marks.
During the week, my parents would take us to Toys
Arrests and it'd be like like it was cereal boxes
and toys r us because if you were called back
in the day, you could get like depending on like
what cereal would you cut the the thing? Yeah, the rebake,
(35:38):
remember that? And I had them joints, I'd be collecting
them joints. Man, I'd be ready to go. I'd be
ready to go get my g I Joe. It was
either g I Joe, he Man ThunderCats. But that got
me through through grade school. I got great grades because
my parents would take me to toys arrests on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
My parents let me do that when we got shots.
So I just remember like going to doctor's office, you know,
being like, hey, I get a shot today, right, and
they're like no, I'm like, well can you give me one?
Just like that was always the thing, you know, and
you play it up that one. That one really hurt. Yeah,
that one, that one. I need to Toys are really
pushing through this one. We need to.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'm going to cry toys.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Store. Yeah. Yeah, kids nowadays will never know that. They'll
never know the joy. They're like watching other kids open
up toys on YouTube. And meanwhile, you basically got to
go test things out and do that at Toys r Us.
My brother had the Wars set, Jeez the carrying the
the Darth Vader head carrying case. My brother had every
(36:44):
let like he probably had like a million dollars worth
of of Star Wars action figures and stuff, the the
space crafts and all that stuff. I broke all of them,
by the way, every last one of them, every last
one of them broke, every last one destroyed them. I mean,
(37:06):
I played hard with them.
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Of course, there are some good things that happen, and
there's some bad, and then there's some downright ugly things.
It's time for good, bad.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And ugly, all right, Ryan Bersching or executive producer, who's
got what to start off?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Jonas, you've got the good?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
All right? It's the MLB playoffs.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I love them. This is I think it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
No, it's awesome. No sport goes from zero to one
hundred like Major League Baseball does from the regular season
to the postseason. And I'm thrilled it's back for hockey.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
That's right, LaVar, you've got the bad. Of course, it's
the white out Pence. They did not have a triumphant
white out showing, and well that's my bad for the weekend,
not to mention that I had to wait an extra
day to get back to my home after that loss.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's my bad for a week. And Brady the ugly. Uh,
it's actually the w NBA right now. Their commissioner, Kathy Engelbert,
she made some comments and it has really fired up
some WNBA players, in particular Nafisa Collier. She basically blasted
the commissioner with their like end of season press at
(39:19):
our NF season press conference. A lot of other players
have chimed in. It's getting really ugly. They're calling for
like new leadership, which they're probably not wrong, but it's
a catfight. Look out now, it's getting ugly over there,
all right.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Well WNBA, it's always dropped.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, there you go.
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guys have MLB playoffs fever? Are you guys got the fever?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah? Do you guys got that fever? Watch that? Yeah,
let's go. Hear, let's go.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
I stop watching it, have no I love it. I
love the MLB playoffs. The Boston one, the Boston the
Boston one. The Dodgers won, the Cubs.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
The Dodgers were kicking butt, right, who's the last one?
Speaker 4 (01:45):
The Cubs they want?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Go Cubs, go depeche mode. That's so, my son says
to Brady whenever he's on the on the horn, and uh,
your guardians came up short, though, but you know they've
got another game to try.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
And time this out.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
I was texting Brady this last night. I don't I
find this absurd. Garrett Crochet the picture for the Red
Sox through one hundred and seventeen pitches last night, which
nowadays never happens. His final pitch number one seventeen, he
threw one hundred miles an hour gas. There's no way
(02:23):
that's good for your body. I cannot imagine that far
into your game. That's not including warm up pitches. I
just well, look either, there's just say it. I hope
he's on everything.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Ah, He's on all of.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It, everything, Like, hey, what can I get you that
entire side right over there? Like that, There's no possible
way that you can just do that to your body,
throwing that hard that many pitches, not including warm up
pitches in between innings or before the game, and you
(02:59):
just come out of that, it's like, all right, well,
I'll be ready to go, you know, three to three
to five days from now. I just I don't get it.
And I know nowadays, like I think Tommy John surgeries
are up around baseball, and there's been some concerns, you know,
with certain like the Dodgers, And we could ask Petris
about that. The Dodgers have had a lot of pitchers
with issues like that. And I don't know if it's
(03:19):
just that they're teaching people to throw hard.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Dude's one Tommy John. Like once they get Tommy John,
they is stronger half the time, Yeah, and more than
half the time.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I just I don't know. It seems like guys are
throwing so fast now and at some point there's got
isn't there a breaking point? Like your body can't go
any fast?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
The person I feel bad for is the catcher? Like,
think about that, dude, Like they're the ones who are
are wearing that one hundred mile an hour fastball for
one hundred and whatever pitches.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What was the hardest fastball you threw when you were
playing like high eighties?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But I haven't got a clock since I was like
probably a sophomore junior in high school. It's hard even
need to get that to that point. But I would
say this Tommy John's like was a Rookie of the Year.
Do we talk about this before Henry road and Gardner? Yeah,
that's essentially what it is, which not many people remember
(04:14):
that movie, but that was.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
What do you remember that Henry Roan Gardner Henry Roadan
Gardner on Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
I don't remember the guy's name that was.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
That was probably not a movie that var at that
at that time watched, which there would be no reason to.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Gary Busey was in it.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I know that night. Yeah, yeah, I just you have
to look it up. It wasn't. The storyline would would
have been like why am I watch this?
Speaker 5 (04:39):
It's about a kid, some little white kid breaks his
arm and then all of a sudden because he breaks
his arm.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
He can. It's like the way it's set, it's like
a sling shot. So yeah, and he helps basically make
the Cubs competitive.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, okay, so that's how you know, it's not realistic,
that's funny, okay. And nowadays it's actually happening. Guys are
coming from Tommy John. They're throwing one hundred miles an hour.
Everybody throws one hundred miles an hour. Samarga, I think
Samarja when he was pitching like mid to high nineties,
Oh yeah, that would be eh. He's all right, compared
(05:20):
to nowadays, Mason Miller for the padres through one oh
three yesterday, that's insane. I don't know how. And and
guys are like, you can win a batting title now
and you're batting like three oh five. I think Trey
Turner won it and he's batting three oh six. And man,
there was a year that Tony Gwynn almost about four hundred.
(05:40):
It's just like the entire thing. It's so skewed now
to where guys are throwing so hard that if you
just you're just trying to hit home runs, like that's
all you're trying to do now. So so anybody that wonders, like,
is there are there any you know, guys out there
that are just absurd, you know, like the NFL has
taken away you know a lot of these big hits,
you know, some of the up back in the day.
(06:00):
Don't worry about it. Like there's a bunch of Nolan
Ryan still in the game of baseball.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
You used to be able to use an aluminum bat
in the MLB. There was a time, wasn't there No
never just in uh just college yeah, just end never okay, yeah,
because you probably like there'd be home runs every play.
What was the thing about, dude, some might die, somebody
might die.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Have you I mean, have you seen even in college baseball,
like the shots that pitchers or yeah, third basement take
with those things. Yeah, because it is fun though watching
college baseball because a team could be down like thirteen
to two, and then a college team will have like
a nine run in eight Like it's just it's like
it's like those bats like it just touches the ball
(06:42):
and they go flying everywhere.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I just know, my fondest memories of my short period
of time being into baseball and trying to play it
and stuff like that was the way the bat sounded.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. There's a This is so nerdy,
but I'll watch it with my sub There's this guy
who's got a YouTube channel. It's called Baseball bat Bros.
And all he does is sample aluminum bats. And this
guy hits tanks like he gets every aluminum batty I
don't I think he played baseball. You sent the picture
(07:18):
of Tyreek Hill definitely in him.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Are they still using those wear bats right now in
the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
All the torpedo bat.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
A torpedo bite, I think, I think you can. I
think are are you saying guys using them?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
But it's not. I don't know that it had the
effect that a lot of people thought it was was having.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
But just get on everything and cork the bats whatever
you gotta do. Uh makes it more entertaining. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Should the Cincinnati Bengals, should they take up baseball? Geeze,
considering they don't want to play football anymore? Geez, I
mean we were talking about an Ohio team.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
I'm not saying anything that fan base gets really mad
and whatever I chime in on how cheap they are.
I'm just saying it's weird. It's like they have a
big issue.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
We were kicking around, you could chop down your roster,
you know, less players.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
We were kicking around the idea of should they trade
for a quarterback? And then once Kirk Cousin's name got
brought up, Brady pointed out, yeah, the price tags a
little steep. And then you think about it, well, apparently
every price tag for the Bengals is steep.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
So you know, I said, Jameis Winston, yeah, which, and
then I think Florida came out yesterday and wrote an
you know, Jameis Winston would be a good Yeah, of
course it would be.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Huh oh. People ear hustle our show all the time.
We joke around a lot, but we actually say some
interesting ear hustle.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, Doug Gottlit's always like reacting to whatever or something.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
He loves to react to our show.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
And the weird thing is he reacts is something I'm like,
I don't even remember saying anything about a j Brown
yesterday that popped up somewhere.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well, somebody else looks it up for him and puts
it in front of him. It's not like he's like, hey,
pull that sound on Brady.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
From A Brown yesterday. Remember that.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Yeah, Sirianni responded to it. The speaks stuff Sirianni out
of be aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So I know we talked about that part. I'm just saying,
like I don't ever really say anything.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I think I'm going to meet this dude. I think
he's doing something with Penn State Baseball and I'm.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Working baseb Yeah, the guy I just sent you though,
it is not the guy that Jonas is talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Oh, I'm going to meet this guy that you're talking about.
I'm pretty certain he's.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Like a Canadian YouTuber. Really good dude. His content's fun
to watch. I watched him. Yeah, I want to meet him.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
So, speaking of plays and uh, things that you know
a little bit unique, much like the aluminum bat. The
Philadelphia Eagles have a unique play. It's their aluminum bat.
It's called the Tush Push. People are not thrilled with
the Tush Push. They're not happy that the play still exists,
(10:15):
except for, of course, Sean Payton, who's the head coach
of the Denver Broncos who are taking on the Philadelphia
Eagles this weekend. And Sean Payton said this about the play.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I was one that stood up in favor of. The
reason I stood up in favor of is pretty simple.
If the powers to be don't want it for aesthetic
reasons or competitive reason, you know, or it's hard to officiate, etc.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
But I've been involved in.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
Those meetings for a long time, and when all of
a sudden, health and safety was pulled into that, which
might be the safest play in football, my bullet nose
kind of went up. Look at the quarterback sneak. You know,
as long as the line of scrimmage is clean, it's
a well run quarterback speak.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
So that was Sean Payton on the Orange and Blue
podcast talking about the etape.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
But this isn't apples oranges comparison. No one's ever had
an issue at the quarterback sneak because you weren't aiding
the runner. There was no one who was pushing the
runner forward, which was why the rule was illegal in
the first place. So I just want to be clear
on this. There was a rule, and the only reason,
(11:26):
and we talked to Dean Blandino about this, the only
reason it's not still a rule is because they didn't
feel like they could officiate it, which at this point
one now we're hearing that about the tush push, that
they don't feel like they can properly officiate it because
of whether it's a false start or other issues within that.
(11:49):
Now you're hearing that murmur come out. I would take
issue with the fact that it's a safe play. I
do feel like there will be a neck injury that
happens at some point, whether that's the defensive player trying
to stop it or an offensive player with the angles
in which they strike the person across from them. And
then the last thing I'll just say is we can't
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officiate it.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
We have enough cameras, we have enough angles to sit
there and say that we can't officiate the aiding or
pushing of a runner is bs like that was the
rule twenty plus years ago and they did away with
it because of that. Now that's not the case. So
I don't know, Like, here's my thing is I really
(12:34):
don't have a dog in the fight. Like if it
stays a part of football, fine, I don't love it
as a football play. It doesn't look like a football play.
It feels like a rugby play. It feels like kind
of a ho hum, you know, are we gonna watch this?
Do this? Again, and the quarterback sneak was always fine.
It's always fine, there's nothing wrong with it. It was
(12:55):
more of an enticing play when it happened, because sometimes
they got it, sometimes they didn't. This it has become
so dominant that now it's almost like a well, we
know they're gonna get it, so let's just move on
to the next play. There is that element of all this.
But here's what I want to do. I want to
take a vote, like, is there anyone who's like staunchly
on our our show against this.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I'm I'm against pushing, and I've told you guys that, like, yeah,
which for safety reasons too, right, Yeah, and not to me.
It's more egregious on other plays than it is on
the on the touch push. It is because you have
guys that are getting stood up by defenders, and these
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offensive linemen think it's okay to run twenty yards and
hit not only their guy or hit the defender, but they're.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Hitting their own guy to push their guy forward two
three yards.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
It might be the difference between a first down and
being fourth down in a yard or something like that,
but you're running into your own players to aid them
going forward. That's to me, the pushing aspect of it
is the most egregious aspect of it for competitive reasons,
(14:13):
not not for to me, I don't even yes, safety
comes into play. But let's just take a second here
and think about the idea of if your forward progress
is stopped, the play is over.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
It's over.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So to me, if you if a guy can run
up when your forward progress is stopped and then they
come and hit you and they aid you going forward,
to me, that's cheating.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
That's not to me, that's not football. And I also
like to see that to that point though, there also
is the element of like, what is forward progress stopped?
And as it stopped? Sure like that, there's there's an
element to the play of which you know, we've seen
times where the runner stopped, the defensive stopped him, and
then alignment comes from behind and shoves him forward and
(15:05):
again the toush push play, but he stays up, he
gets another three, four, five yards or they're like, oh
what a what a second effort. It's like, well, it's
not him, it's it's the three guys behind him pushing him.
And you look at that and you just go is
that easy to officiate? I mean, again, before the toush
push became something that was utilized, even those plays, they
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would have been like, no, his forward progress was stopped
and now all that stuff continue.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Would stop those guys from doing that bs if you
made it illegal again, like stop making it okay for
these big ass offensive lineman to go running towards the
pals like that.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I'm indifferent on it. I think it's gonna be gone
next year. I think they're already, you know, setting the
table to get rid of it. Not it's difficult to
officiate all that. I'm indifferent on the whole thing. If
they want to keep it, fine, get rid of it,
that's fine. My favorite part those when people say, well,
you know, Jalen hurts. I mean, he's squats six hundred pounds.
That's why there's so much better at it than every
(16:07):
All right, So if that's the case, why can't he
just do a quarterback sneak? Why does he need three
guys to push him from behind? That's correct, Like, it's
just I think that Nick Sirianni knows. That's why he's
probably busting out all these plays, that he's got these
counters to it, and he's talking about how exciting the
play is like he was on Monday being a wise
ass about the whole thing. I think he knows it's
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probably gonna be gone, and then they're just gonna have
to go back to the quarterback sneak and they're probably
going to be, if not as successful, pretty close to
a successful at picking up that extra yard as they will.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
And maybe that's why they're starting to show you the
different variations of what they can do now that they've
gotten people convinced you can't stop the touch push, so
now they've added wrinkles to the play itself. My biggest
question would be, if you do away with the touch push,
what are the rules that do away with it, because
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you could still have a variation of what the toush
push represents, right like, say, for instance, okay, you can't
push the ball carrier, right, Well, what if you put
an say for if if this is me, I'm like, okay,
here's my cheek code to it, and lets you push
this out as well. I'm going to put one of
(17:21):
my I'm going to have one of my offensive linemens
switched to like the refrigerator Perry or Warren sap whatever.
I'm going to put them in the gap that we're
going to run towards, and I'm going to say, blow
that gap open, push push the guard, or or push
the center, or push the tackle, whatever it may be.
(17:45):
Blow that gap open, and our quarterback is going to
get behind you and push behind the full back. The
fullback is going to be the pusher. And now the
quarterback gets behind and listen, does it? Does it in
theory work out that way if they were to run it,
I don't know. I mean, but I know you can
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line up your fullback as close to the ball as
you like. So if you're gonna run, if you're gonna
try to create a variation, where does the rules stop?
Is it just no pushing? Like, for instance, you can't
aid and push a defender through the field goal line.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You can't do it. You can't drive a guy over
top of the center. That's a rule.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Are you gonna Are you gonna ban pushing or are
you going to ban aiding the runner? Like, because in
that scenario you could still kind of buck the system
and say, Okay, we're just gonna put a big guy
up on the line of scrimmage that is a fullback,
and he's going to push, and that's where the quarterback
is gonna go push, And I don't care if you
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know that it's coming there, you're not gonna be able.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
To stop it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
If that quarterback can get behind that, that that blocker
who's going to aid the line, the line of scrimmage,
and that quarterback gets behind him, you're not stopping that.
For a yard, for a yard's game, a yard and
a half, maybe two yards, you're not stopping it. So
I don't know how the rule would read out, How
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would the rule, how would it be defined in terms
of what you're able to do and what you're not
able to do. That's what they're going to have to
be clear on if they're going to get rid of
the play, because you can still find variations of it.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Didn't Tampa signed that big dude? What's from Florida? Why
am I blanket on his names?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Watson?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Did he even play last week?
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Was that?
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Like?
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Wasn't that supposed to be their counter? I don't think
he played. So you know, Nick Sirianni's out there like,
all right, you guys want to play that game, that's fine.
We'll just run a couple of counters off this, you know,
and have a good time with the whole thing. I
just it is kind of kind of wild that that
play has generated as much of a of as much
(19:59):
of a heat heated conversation one way or the other
that you got, you know, Jeffrey Lorie dropping gems in
the owners meeting that people were offended by, like it
just the whole thing is, the whole thing is mind boggling.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Well, you know what bothers me a little bit about it, though,
is it's kind of taken away the full back dive.
You know, we used to have full backs and they
were in there for shore yardage, not only to blow
someone up, but sometimes you give them the football to
give them a little bit of love. Then they barrel
their way through, you know, this big extra big shoulder pads,
(20:34):
like a neck roll. It's kind of done away with
it a little bit. Where like those guys now they're out,
they're walking around. I'm not sure what they're doing for
a job, you know, I mean maybe they're a finance
bro you know, maybe they're doing some hard labor somewhere else,
some construction. They got a jackhammer. That's taking all their
frustrations out because they weren't given the opportunity to stay
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in the league as a full back with no neck.
You know, just that just app slowly yoked out of
their mind. Great athlete, just no appreciation for the fact
that they're so jacked up they can't raise their hands
above their their shoulders. Yeah, you know. I mean, if
you're throwing some them out of the backfield, you're gotta
put that thing right in the bread basket. If it's
anywhere eye level, that's a risk. It's probably a drop.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
As a quarterback, you knew that. Like a full back
out of the backfield, you're like, oh small catch rated
us here man, you know, especially for those guys who
were really yoked up like that. But I just I mean,
think think about back in the day, Lorenzo O'Neil. I mean,
guys who would just knock you cross eyed. And those
guys like they're not they're not really around anymore. Like
(21:39):
the death of the full back. Also, I think it's
played a part in this. It's led us to short
yardage plays where we had to get all creative, you know,
we had to superman that ho like, like we had
to do all that to push them across for the
first down. I mean, I wish he had full batch.
I think America was better when we had fullbacks.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I would agree, And there's no question. I don't think it's,
you know, just a coincidence that the Ravens have struggled
and Patrick Ricard hasn't played this year. I don't think
you know, he's not in the lineup. He's doing like
a calf issue or something like.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
God damn, what a gigantic athletic specimen.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
And by the way, they just you mentioned they don't
have a neck. Did they have a neck when they
started playing full back and it just slowly got jammed
in as they were hitting the line.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's LeVar, he had to go up against full back.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
I know your neck gets sore. Though your neck gets
sore dealing with dudes like that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Maybe Davis Mills should play full back for me in
a couple of games.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Be honest, as a linebacker in today's game, LeVar, wouldn't
you say it's easier from that standpoint, like you're not
going up against those like full back ISOs with like
that whole opens up and you're like, yep, me and
him and I'm gonna have to go try to crack
this dude who's probably five 't ten two hundred and
forty five pounds with no neck.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
Yeah, which fullback gave you that?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Wark? I mean me and z O'Neil definitely definitely went
to with.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
The war views. Everyone's got a Lorenzo Neil story by
the way, Like DJ Williams tell us one of the
greatest lorenzo'il story ever, like how he was like all
nice to him and stuff before the game and then
knocked him flat out like Friday, and then it was like, hey, man,
you're right, come on, get up, you're right, Like we're
(23:21):
gonna do this in the next play. What's my my
fullback from?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I'm blanking on his name and he's a Penn State
fullback and he played for the Bills, he played for
the Ravens Man he wore eleven too before we get
a full back fullback? Why am I blanking on him?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Huh dang? Why am I blanking on him?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Well? Anyway that there were I think Max Strong was
was tough to deal with.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
One of the most confusing fullbacks was Mike Alstott because
he could run like a tailback. Yeah, Sam Gash, there
we go, Thank you very much. Sam Gash, and Sam
Gash was on that level of zoe'nil that's on.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
A porn star name.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I get you.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
He definitely would gas your ass, that's for certain, Sam Gash,
that is anyway. He was on that level of physicality
of like had to build up pads like this is
what you got to understand about dudes like Zoe Nil
and those guys. They literally built their pads to be
(24:28):
able to mule you like his Oh you remember ram
Man from He Man, Like you just been smashing down
and then he pop up like. That's what them dudes were, man,
and that was their only The only thing they really
really cared about doing was running through the line of
scrimmage and trying to obliterate you.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
But I used to love that.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I ain't gonna lie because for one, they can't to me,
they can't move real well, so I ola. You know,
they say, that wasn't what you were supposed to do,
But I like to mix in a nice healthy olay
here and there. Because the way their pads are built,
they can't lift their head up to be able to
see you, so their head is down. They're coming through
(25:12):
the hole the line of scrimmage. They're just expecting you
to have to be there to be able to force
it back or spill it out. So they know you're
going to be there, so they're coming full speed to
hit you. I get you an olay here and there,
and then I get you thinking about it, like all right,
get your head up, you come down. You come through
the hole running like that coming downhill. You got your
head down. I'm gonna make you look really stupid. Now.
(25:33):
Granted I may miss the tackle, but you did fall
into the ground because you thought you was about to
hit somebody and I wasn't there and maybe pop back in,
but that was an intimidating moment of you seeing Sam
Gash or freaking.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Lorenzo Nil.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, Lorenzo Nil coming through that line of scrimmage. That
was aready intimidating. Glad you know where then is?
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah, the heart day come out. But you're you're a
tall drink of water and like they're they already have leverage,
they're already lowered than you. Yeah, so like for you
to get as like their height or lower not going,
it's going to be extremely difficult. So you'd have to
almost use that move, but that usually depends. But speaking
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kind of.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, I mean so true freshman quarterbacks specifically, you know
guys who they may have enrolled early in January, but
they just got there in twenty twenty five. There's some
guys who stand out man, I mean Bryce Underwood and Michigan.
He's one of the ones at the top of the list.
Obviously a very heralded recruit, but I mean oozes with
(28:41):
ability and just it feels like he's prepared to take
over a blue blood program like that. Bear Bachmeyer at
BYU and that was obviously a crazy deal because he
originally wasn't going to go there. They had their quarterback
in place, but due to some of the rules there
uh in provo utah uh that no longer worked out.
(29:04):
So bear Bachmeyer is a true freshman, ended up finding
his way to e y U and and he has
been phenomenal so far this year. He's if you haven't
watched him play, he's I wouldn't call him like Tim Tebow,
but there's kind of some of those similarities. Like you know,
stock your guy a runner but still effective throwing the football,
(29:26):
but a ton of fun to watch and then uh
drawn cave Singapore putule for cow. He's a true freshman,
I believe. Yeah, it's it's a hard name to pronounce.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
He's done a tremendous job. Like you get going down
the list. Malik Washington at Maryland. He's been phenomenal for
them so far.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
So uh, I just I look at the state of
college football and I look at all these young, you know,
quarterbacks who are true freshmen, and like you could speak
to this to be someone who comes in you know,
from high school. And even if they get there in January,
like you get a spring in, you get some practices,
you get a feel for the offense, defense. It's a
(30:07):
big difference than like red shirting because you can get everything,
kind of figure it out, and then focus on football
the following year. Like these cats are leading their teams.
They're all doing extremely well. Like I'm telling you, Maryland's
a team to keep your eye on because of this kid,
Milike Washington. But even like Bryce Underwood, who I know
(30:28):
they lost to Oklahoma, but that was kind of it
and once they started running him, then you see what
he's truly capable of. Like all those teams bole I
use ranked, they're having a good season so far. It's
just to me, it's incredibly impressive. These guys are true freshmen,
in many cases eighteen years old, and they don't look
like it. They look wise beyond their years. The way
they're playing the.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Game difficult to get great production from a freshman. It's
just difficult, and especially at a position where it requires
a whole lot of mental reps and things that are
you know, connected to it, like a quarterback's position. So yeah,
I mean, I would say even just looking at it,
(31:09):
like man is playing middle linebacker's that's a more difficult position.
Maybe the most maybe safety might be you know, up
there with it, but linebacker. Middle linebacker historically is generally
like it's that's the quarterback of the defense, and they
have to talk to the defensive coordinator. They have the
(31:30):
microphone in their helmet and have to know where guys
are supposed to be. I never wanted to know where
everybody else. I never wanted to have the responsibility of
having to tell people where they needed to be, you know,
when I came out of the huddle or if we
went no huddle and we're standing out there. I want
to be able to look at, Okay, this is what
(31:52):
I have pass coverage wise, this is what I have
run run fits wise, And I understand why those are
my fits. I understand that that's why that's my drop.
I didn't want to sit there and have to tell
the corner, why it was a cut call or why
it was a banjo call, Like I'll make the call
banjo banjo, Like, let's be on the same page whether
(32:15):
banjo for you meant play it or whether banjo meant that.
We were, you know, kind of shifting, you know, switching
coverages depending on what the receivers did in their past releases.
So you know, when you're talking about the quarterback's position,
like for instance, just on Saturday, you know, I had
observations that like I'm looking at Drew. Drew's like a
(32:37):
you know, he's seasoned VET in college, and I don't
feel like he was pre snap recognizing what Oregon was
trying to do to him with the with the rushes,
with the pressures. And then you take that along with
trying to identify pre snap what you feel the defense
is trying to run. Coverage wise, there are a lot
(32:57):
of things that could stretch you out pre snap. You know,
that lead to stress during the snap for a quarterback,
and it all falls on your shoulders and you literally
have you know, two seconds really to kind of like
max out what you're thinking about and then take action
within that third second or get hit or get fleshed
(33:18):
out whatever it may be. So to have that type
of success so early when you're like eighteen, when some
of these guys are super super super super super reclass,
they might be twenty one to twenty two year old freshman's.
That are true, but I mean, but for the most part,
these cats are young. If you got a real young
(33:40):
cat that's like eighteen nineteen years old coming into college
and they're able to deal like that at an early age,
you got to assume that it's going to be hard
for in these days in times, it's going to be
hard for you to be able to keep that quarterback
for the duration of their time. And then secondly, like
if you can't keep them, if you can't keep that
(34:01):
young town eighteen.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
I was working at Toys r US. I was just
thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I was riding a bike.
Great store. They didn't bring that back.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Yeah, I agree, a nice store. There are some I
think it Macy's, uh specific Macy's around the country. They
do a little bit.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
They close toys rs and uh what didn't they close
party cities down to Yeah, and they were connected to
toys rs right where they like I believe.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
So, yeah, they used to be. To your point, LeVar,
there was literally a party city right next to Toys
r Us back where they both shut down, but also
like a place where you're like, oh, I'm gonna get
some party stuff. Crap. Party city closed down, like now
you have nowhere to go because everybody. Toys r Us
was awesome because you could go in there and really
(34:47):
test out toys, like you could take it through the
ringer before you actually took it home. And as a parent,
I kind of liked it, you know. I kind of
liked the fact that the kid could play with a
little bit, you know, and maybe even convince them that,
you know, that's not gonna be for you, we're gonna
crawl that soon, and so you almost got to like
rend it for kind of free.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
That was the reason why I got good grades in
grade school.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
They would have like people would just be riding the
bikes through the aisle, like you like that bike, will
try it out, like take it through the Action figure out.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
I was in the Action figures.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
That was my deal.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
If I did well in school, I got great marks.
During the week, my parents would take us to Toys
Arrests and it'd be like like it was cereal boxes
and toys r us because if you were called back
in the day, you could get like depending on like
what cereal would you cut the the thing? Yeah, the rebake,
(35:38):
remember that? And I had them joints, I'd be collecting
them joints. Man, I'd be ready to go. I'd be
ready to go get my g I Joe. It was
either g I Joe, he Man ThunderCats. But that got
me through through grade school. I got great grades because
my parents would take me to toys arrests on Fridays.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
My parents let me do that when we got shots.
So I just remember like going to doctor's office, you know,
being like, hey, I get a shot today, right, and
they're like no, I'm like, well can you give me one?
Just like that was always the thing, you know, and
you play it up that one. That one really hurt. Yeah,
that one, that one. I need to Toys are really
pushing through this one. We need to.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'm going to cry toys.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Store. Yeah. Yeah, kids nowadays will never know that. They'll
never know the joy. They're like watching other kids open
up toys on YouTube. And meanwhile, you basically got to
go test things out and do that at Toys r Us.
My brother had the Wars set, Jeez the carrying the
the Darth Vader head carrying case. My brother had every
(36:44):
let like he probably had like a million dollars worth
of of Star Wars action figures and stuff, the the
space crafts and all that stuff. I broke all of them,
by the way, every last one of them, every last
one of them broke, every last one destroyed them. I mean,
(37:06):
I played hard with them.
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Speaker 3 (38:05):
Of course, there are some good things that happen, and
there's some bad, and then there's some downright ugly things.
It's time for good, bad.
Speaker 4 (38:16):
And ugly, all right, Ryan Bersching or executive producer, who's
got what to start off?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Jonas, you've got the good?
Speaker 4 (38:23):
All right? It's the MLB playoffs.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
I love them. This is I think it's awesome.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
No, it's awesome. No sport goes from zero to one
hundred like Major League Baseball does from the regular season
to the postseason. And I'm thrilled it's back for hockey.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
That's right, LaVar, you've got the bad. Of course, it's
the white out Pence. They did not have a triumphant
white out showing, and well that's my bad for the weekend,
not to mention that I had to wait an extra
day to get back to my home after that loss.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's my bad for a week. And Brady the ugly. Uh,
it's actually the w NBA right now. Their commissioner, Kathy Engelbert,
she made some comments and it has really fired up
some WNBA players, in particular Nafisa Collier. She basically blasted
the commissioner with their like end of season press at
(39:19):
our NF season press conference. A lot of other players
have chimed in. It's getting really ugly. They're calling for
like new leadership, which they're probably not wrong, but it's
a catfight. Look out now, it's getting ugly over there,
all right.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Well WNBA, it's always dropped.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, there you go.
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