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we take you all the way up until noon Eastern
time or excuse me, at three o'clock Eastern time noon
Pacific here on FSR. So we opened up the show
talking about the feel good moment in Los Angeles with
Clayton Kershaw getting strikeout three thousand and then the reality
of waking up and realizing you're also probably a Laker fan,
which sucks, but again, you know is what it is.
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That being said, we now turn over to somebody else
in the world of football who knows a thing or
two about dysfunction. That would be none other than Nebraska
head coach Matt Ruhle, your former teammate at Penn State.
Lebar you guys are men. Yeah, you guys are real
nice to him. In practice, I'm sure we had a
good time with Matt. Matt was a special teams guy.
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He was a special situations person. Yeah, it's super super
intelligent football player. Again, I credit him with a lot
of things that I learned as a freshman. How you know,
I knew how to study film to a certain degree.
I knew how to take notes to a certain degree.
In high school, had pretty good, good program I had
came from. But when I got to college, I realized
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very quickly how much of the educational part of football
was involved in terms of the studying, being able to
know what to look for, you know, being able to
break down what it is that that the offense is
doing and how you need to apply that to you
and your information in your notes. Matt. Matt Ruhle did
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an excellent job of sitting with me and us learning that.
You know, my freshman year there was his last year there.
But it turns out it translated into him being a
really really fine football coach as well through through the years.
So he was talking with Greg McElroy on the Always
College Football podcast, and he says that the experience in
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the NFL probably makes him more ready for what the
new experience of college football is.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like, I think the biggest.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Certain thing you learn when you're in the NFL is
really evaluation, you know, like the four collegetable. So, yeah,
he's offer was taken.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You get the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It's all They're all good players, you know, it's just
a what's the financial value we're put on this person
and put on this position. And you're in the NFL.
You good free agency and you see teams walking away
from the lead players because of their contract situation.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So that was Matt Ruhle talking about the contractual similarities
now all of a sudden between the NFL and in
college football, and it is it does I do wonder
if him having that time there in the league makes
him more ready for it from that standpoint to where
it's now not just your typical well do you want
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to go recruiting now the money aspect being brought into it,
maybe it makes those conversations and how he evaluates players
and what they can and can't do. Maybe it makes
that a little bit more I guess a little bit
more accustomed to him, just based on that time he
had in Carolina in the NFL. I mean, I would
assume that that would be the reason why Bill Belichick
went to North Carolina is that we are stepping into
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a brave new world of what the NFL represents. I mean,
excuse me, what college football represents. And you do have
to figure out what the value is on the position,
you know, on the skill level, on the influence. There
are a lot of elements that are now in play.
I would say it's probably a little bit more complex
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and a little bit more complicated than just looking at
it from the scope of what happens in the NFL.
Other than you having to figure out how much to
pay and evaluating based off of what the pay would
be versus evaluating if I want to give this guy
a scholarship, if we want him to play on the
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field as a starter in one of the offensive or
defensive groups versus special teams. It's just very different. I
think the reason why it would be more complex, Jonas
is from the standpoint of the transfer portal is what
really to me, makes it very interesting. We just had
the conversation too long ago, not too long ago, about
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the suing. Now we have one university sue another university
based upon taking what is in Miami took a player
from Wisconsin. Wisconsin, Okay, they felt like the player owed
them whatever it is he owed them based off of
the contract that he signed. So until elements like that
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get cleared up, where the legalities of what's taking place
at the college level and how that works and who
your you know, I bet I guess basically who your
rights belonged to. Now, yes, you do have an advantage
over most likely college coaches because they don't understand most
likely you know, salary caps and free agency and how
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that all works. But there's still a earning curve that's
there because of the lack of structure and the lack
of established rules on what the engagements are. What's a do,
what's a don't? You know, what's breaking the rule, what isn't?
There is a lot of gray area that still exists
at the college level, and I think that it makes
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it very difficult for coaches and administrators like athletic directors.
You know, you're talking about twenty million dollars. I believe
that they get yearly. But that's for all sports. It's
not just for one sport. So now you got to
figure out a salary cap, but you got to figure
out what that salary cap represents for all of your sports.
I think Penn Se has like something like eight hundred
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plus student athletes in their school, So there's a lot
that has to be figured out. But now you start
to break it down by sport. And obviously you're at
you're hiring gms, You're you're hiring head of staffs that
that are Now you're now structuring the football programs more
light proteins, and I would say that's probably where Matt
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Rule is probably talking about, outside of just evaluation, having
maybe somewhat of an advantage in terms of how he
runs its teams. And I would also say, based on
his time in the NFL with Carolina, at least he's
got a pretty good example of how not to do
things because that place was a complete clown show. And
what he went through at Carolina or where David Tepper
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brings him in, there was some interest from the Giants.
Matt Rule gets a seven year deal from the Panthers,
then all of a sudden, all the conversations, the whispers
start to start up that David Tepper is getting involved,
he's meddling into things to and Matt rule even said
before the season, before he was fired, listen, I signed
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a seven year deal. I was told by David Tepp.
Basically put David Tepper on blasts like, hey, I was
told by the owner that I'm going to be given
a significant amount of time to get this thing sorted out.
I'm working with that understanding going into all this, and then,
you know, however long it was later than he was gone.
I wonder if Matt Ruhle goes back to college with
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a better understanding of the salary cap, the structure, but
also a better understanding of whatever I do. I don't
want it to turn into what I came from in
the NFL, like he's got he's got to be. I
would imagine he draws from that experience of exhibit A,
how things could go sideways if you let it get
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out of control above you. Well, you know what's interesting
point to that is is that when it's the pros,
people have no problem doing coverage and scrutinizing the dysfunction
of ownership or of the front office. It almost seems
as though that's what's going to eventually take shape and
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take hold at the college level. Probably. Yeah, you've never
really heard like, oh, the dysfunction of the president of
the university, ad of the university or all those different things.
So you'd have to assume, and this brave new world
of nil and how things are being handled at the
college level, that if you're dealing with a dysfunctional organization university,
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front office, ads, administrators, whatever it may be, if you're
dealing with that type of dysfunction, I wonder will that
become prevalent and will that create more pressure on the
universities and how they're not only hiring their athletic directors,
but ultimately how they're hiring the presidents and the people
that administratively are running the school. It's it's almost like,
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now that money's involved, uh, oh, open season on everybody.
Oh like yah, now that we know that people are
getting paid, players admitted. Now that we know all of that,
everybody's going to be held to the same standard that
you've seen from a professional level. You could play that
this is an academic institution game. All you want you're
gonna find your academic institution as out on the street
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looking for a job. You gotta figure it out because
that is that has been the cash cow for these
universities for many, many moons. And if you mess that
up now because you don't, you know, it's always been
really easy to minimize. Even like when I played for
Joe Paterno, Joe minimized athletics. He minimized athletes because it
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was more about being a student. It was more about education.
It's like, who cares, we play the game, we win
the game, we lose the game. But they got class
on Monday. They got to turn in their their their papers.
They gotta get good grades. Like it was always about academics. Okay, hey, hey,
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I'll put you on the bus that I brought your
year on. Shut a man anyway. But but here's my point.
The point is is that you cannot hide behind the
moniker of this is a place in an institution of
higher learning and education. You can't have behind it. You
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certainly have to have it. The prestige of going to
a fine college and the institution of learning higher learning
is very attractive, but make no mistake about it, you
will not be in any position as a head of school, president,
of the school board of trustees, whatever it is. You
are not in a place where you can minimize athletics
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and try to suppress what athletics represents to the earning capacity,
of what it represents to the university and in some
cases to the state. You can't minimize it now because
it is now being turned into a very very pro
like approach, and now people are going to be in
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a very very quick rush, a quick movement to try
to figure out what the solutions are, what are what
are even the positions the appointment of new jobs that
have to be created in order to be able to
handle this. You're going to have to have capologists. You're
gonna have to have gms. You're gonna have to You're
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gonna have to have scouts like and they already have
scouts Mia Michael Lombardi's Michael Lombardi's, Belichick's GM College. There's
a lot there. There's a lot. There is a lot here,
and hearing what Matt Ruhle has to say, it's just
the tip of the iceberg in terms of all of
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the conversations that are going to continue to come up
and become like, what what are the main topics of
conversations as it applies to this new world of what
sports represent at the college level. Do you mean to
tell me, as we sit here right now on the
third of July, that the term student athlete is still
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longer means the same thing. No, it doesn't. It doesn't
because you don't have to everybody that understands going to
college and playing the game that was a that was
a politically correct way of expressing what you were as
a scholarship player. You had to say it, I am
a student athlete. And while it is still not a
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pay for play model in college, it is still not
pay for play. The one term that they have to
get used to, and it's going to have to be embraced,
and it's going to lead to a whole lot of
different things, organizing unions and having union reps and maybe
it leads to collective bargaining agreements and all kinds of
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stuff like that. Is employee is employee, And that's what's
going to be interesting. How quickly does the college level
get to the place where it is comfortable saying that
these are employees, meaning if they are employees, you're talking
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about retirement, you're talking about insurance, You're taking all the
things that come along with being an employee. They are
going to have to figure for and they're going to
have to have the resources and the funds to put
towards those things. Once it becomes a real thing that
college athletes are not student athletes just student athletes. They
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are students, They are athletes, and they are employees. Once
you get those three put together and the understanding of.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
That is really realized, realized to speak for a living,
Once the realization of that comes to fruition, there is
going to be so many people lawyers, you know, financial planners,
you name it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
There's going to be so there's even private private family offices, investors,
major investors. They are now looking at the college space
the same way that they're looking at the pro space.
There are people that are actually trying to purchase the
rights of the school. It's outside of the lear fields
and the playflies and stuff like that. There are actually
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private equity groups that are trying to purchase schools. In
other words, what it is that the sports represents. They're
trying to purchase the rights to that so that they
can use that as a place to place their money.
This is a very deep rabbit hole that has been created,
and I don't see the bottom of it. I don't
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see the bottom of it just yet. It's still just black.
It's just darkness. You don't see the bottom, like, Oh,
there's the floor of this nil there's the floor of
this new new college college world. You don't see it yet.
There's still so much much more to be defined. I mean,
what does that look like for liability? You know, what
type of lawsuits are going to come from? You know
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the athletes that are playing, Like, what type of rights
do they have? How does this impact Title nine? Like
with women's involvement and them having fair opportunity to be
treated equally? How do all of these things happen? Do
you stay with the NCAAA. How strong does the NCAA stay.
There are a lot of different conversations, a lot of
different lanes, a lot of different roads where all of
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these things have to be discussed and have to be
flushed out and established, and it isn't going to be
anytime soon. And these athletes are tasked with trying to
navigate it as athletes to a new space, and so
are the coaches and so are the administrators of these schools.
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at the MMQB get them on ex at Albert Breer
and apparently live on the set of Jaws. Ab what's happening?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Yeah, so anybody knows the beaches up here, we've had
shark issues over the last decade or so. So yeah,
I was going to be with you guys live from
my kids Surfluss and I got canceled because there was
a sim sighting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
At the beach.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
He was going to do it at Now we're another
beach and hopefully my service holds up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So what up? There's just sharks swimming around. It's it's swimming.
It's great. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Actually I was actually explaining this to Lee. It's actually
really interesting. It's like thirty or forty years ago. I
can't remember what it was. There was like the Marine
Wildlife Protection Acts, right, this is like the eighties or nineties,
and you know what that obviously I did a lot
of good, but it also created the explosion of certain populations.
So there was an explosion in the population of seals.
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And where the seals go, the sharks go to eat,
and so the seals got pushed closer and closer to
the shore. And so now the sharks are basically along
the shore in New England. And so I'm talking like
it's not just sand sharks, it's like bull sharks, like
great whites aren't very far from the shore. They're all
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over the place up here. She gotta be really careful.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Or just don't go in the water at all. I mean,
that's I mean, I've always I.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Love going in the water, right, I love going in
the water. But I'm also like one of these guys
who's like, I mean, I feel it's like this like
this in the woods too. To some degree, I'm like,
that's their turf, like, so you better respect it, you
know what I mean, Like I don't want to run
into a bear in the woods. I mean, so I'm
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not doing any dumb cowboys stuff, and I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I appreciate you being smart. That that is good. Speaking
of being smart smart, can I ask you this, I'm
I've been hearing this rumor swirling around, circulating around. Curious
if you've heard it, because we you know, I took
a whole entire segment talking about it an hour one.
The possibilities of a trade between the Commanders and the Steelers. TJ.
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Watt obviously going to the Commanders, they would be able
to shore up and make their defensive front a super
formidable defensive front, but it would cost them the services
of Terry McLaurin. And if they were to do that,
and I believe that there were were draft capital draft
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picks involved with the trade as well, going from from
the Commanders to the Steelers. If that were the case,
my contention is, why not do it if you feel
as though you're to the point now where getting rid
of TJ. Watt a year early is better than getting
rid of TJ. Watt a year late after a contract.
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And if we're going with a one and done with
Aaron Rodgers, why not add a player that actually definitively
says you've made your offense better with your offseason moves
versus you. It's a swap out. You know, Pickins DK Metcalf,
take your choice. Maybe one makes you better, one doesn't.
But if you had McLaurin to that, you have certainly
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given him an arsenal of weapons to be able to
have success.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
It's a it's a fascinating idea of our and I
don't mind the idea of it, you know, I think
in large part because it does kind of sit in
with what the with what with with what the Steelers
have done this offseason in general, So it's not it's
not an awful idea. I just I think with both
the players, you know, you have to be confident you're
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gonna get a deal done. And I think part of
the hold up in both the contracts is kind of
where those guys are in their careers and that they're
in their thirties and both teams. I mean, obviously, you
guys know what Cherry McLaurin means the Commanders, and you
know what TJ what means the Steelers. Both from a
playing standpoint of LEADLeadership standpoint a lot of different stuff, right, So,
like they read, the only reason either of those teams
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would hesitate on paying them as age, right, and you're
looking at both those guys that are on the wrong
side of thirty, and it's not do I think you
can play for me this year, It's like, what is
this going to look like two years from now? So, like,
I think in both cases, it would take the team
because I don't think like the contract issue is going
to go away if you trade those guys, right, Like,
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those guys are still going to want, you know, to
do big contracts with their new teams. So is this
a situation where the Commanders feel more comfortable paying TJ.
Watt and the Steelers feel more comfortable paying Terry McLaurin
than they do their own players. So that's what it
would take to make it work. And I don't know
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one way to the other, but I suspect I suspect
that's probably why it would be hard to get a
deal done. Not that like either of those teams would
love to have those guys. And you know, the one
hole that Washington has roster right now that sitting there's
pass rush for sure, and you know you can question
the Steelers' depths, you know, receiver as well, and that
would really supercharge everything they do and he'd be a
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good compliment to DK metcalf. I think the contractual part
of it is kind of where the rubber meets the road,
and that's why they're in these situations to begin with. Right,
we're not talking about either mcclorn or what being traded
if it weren't for the contract situation.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, absolutely, Albert, We're joining us here on the Herd
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin A.
B on the heels of the Steelers Dolphins trade that
took place. Jalen Ramsey, John hu Smith go to Pittsburgh
and then you've got make a Fitzpatrick going to Miami,
and then Miami then proceeds to trade for Darren Waller
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who was retired and then bring him in his tight end.
What are the Dolphins doing?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
I've got that question a lot, Jonas. I think it's
a it's it's gonna involve a word that they will
not use one speaking about what they're doing publicly, and
that word is rebuilt. You know, I think they had
this window where to Azona's rookie contract, they could spend aggressively,
they could build aggressively, and you know, I think like,
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if you really add up everything that's happened this offseason,
it's sort of an acknowledgment. Okay, like we need to
move on to the next phase. Now, we need to
move on to the phase where we have to build
a little bit differently. Because we have our quarterback on
a big second contract. They could delay that by a
year or two if they wanted to, but doing that
would have to come with a real belief that you're
that close to a championship. And if you're being real
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with yourself in your Miami, do you feel that way,
Like do you feel like you're a player or two
away from from knocking on the door and knocking off
the Chiefs or the Ravens, or the or the Bengals
or the you know, or the Bills, Like I don't,
I don't know you feel that way, you know? So
I think where they are right now, toront Armstead retires,
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Ramsey's traded, I think they would listen on Tyreek Hill.
They've got some holes and the roster they didn't have before.
Two edge rushers I'm both having dealt with very serious injuries,
and Bradley Chubb and and Jalen Phillips like I just
think if you look at the team, you say yourself, like,
how many of these guys are going to be here
in two years? I think you can name two guys
to me, it's It's It's it's Jalen Waddle and it's
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Chop Robinson. And other than those two, I don't know
how many guys are going to be there, you know,
in twenty twenty seven. So I think this is a
natural spot for them to retool and rebuild. And to me, like,
that's moving Ramsey and Johnny Smith's contract, Doctor Ledger, moving
those problems, Doctor Ledger, And I wouldn't read too much
into the wall or thing other than that's just a
way to try to stop gap a hole that you
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created by trading Johnny Smith.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
What you said two people, you didn't say three. So
should I assume that includes coaches as well?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Mean, well I guess I should say two. Also, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm not saying tua, I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
What about the jokes? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
What about the job? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
No, I know, I think that's fair. I mean, I
look like I does he have some security? Yeah, he
just signed an extension last year. Do I feel like
for sure he's going to be there in twenty twenty seven.
I don't know, you know, I mean it's I mean,
if if you're looking at potentially getting rid of the
general manager, Chris Career, who's been there for a long time,
does that come with like a complete reset of the organization,
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I don't know. And I think Mike's for the most
part's done a really nice job, you know, I mean
was where they are versus where they were when he
got there, Like they've made a lot of progress, and
the culture there has been for the most part until
last year was was good and he fixed a lot
of things there he got into the playoffs. But yeah,
I mean, like I don't know. I mean, if you're
going through a roster retool, you know, and all of
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a sudden you're a four or a five win team,
we could be talking about something.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Else in tire Albert Breer with US Year on Fox
Sports Radio. How is it going to play out with
the fact that thirty of thirty two second round picks
are still unsigned because two guys got fully guaranteed deals
and everybody else is like, why should I sign something
different than them?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
How do you think this all plays out? With training
camp right around the corner.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I mean, I think it's just it sort of depends on,
like you know, each one of these deals, and when
the first person does a deal that isn't fully guaranteed.
And and the lynchpin right now is Tyler Shuck the
quarterbacks and the Saints who look, I have to look
it up. He was he thirty five thirty six. I
think he might have been thirty sixth overall, But that's
the one everybody's waiting for because that comes with the
quarterback premium, right and then Quinchohn Judkins is right there.
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And so if you're Judkins and you see the Carson
Schwassinger who want a couple of picks before you got
a fully guaranteed deal from the Browns, you're gonna be
looking for the same thing from the Browns, you know.
So there are a couple up there.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Shuck was forty, by the way, pick forty.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Chuck was four. Okay, so all right, so Shuck was forty.
So like you're talking about like Shuck, like there's the
people are waiting on Shuck as the quarterback premium, and
does the quarterback at the fully guaranteed deal, because if
the quarterback is the full guaranteed deal at forty And
I'm sorry I mixed that up, but if Shuck is
a fully guaranteed deal at forty, then everybody before forty
is going to ask for it. So if you were
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picked before forty, you're waiting on that, right Like Meanwhile,
on the other end of the spectrum, it's thirty five
and again I have to look up who was thirty five?
Was that Judkins.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Em and Worry from Southminorial and.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Then Judkins was thirty six? Right? Yeah, So Judkins of
course has the fact that the sweassenger got the fully
guaranteed deal, so now he wants what his teammate got
em and Wauria of course is going to wait to
see if the Browns double double down on what they
did with Sweastnger with Judkins and then you get the
quarterback four picks after that. Thank you for organizing.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, but is there? And I want to ask you
this is there because now it feels like Jimmy haslm's
done it again to where he's done the guaranteed deal
and put everybody in a bad spot, like what is
what's the opinion of him around the league? From from
owners and people that are in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Well, it wasn't him, right or was he thirty three?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, Jimmy, yeah, that was a Sweassinger.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Thirty three or thirty thirty three right, Judkins is thirty
six and okay, okay, now I have it strict because
but but it wasn't him actually, because it was the
Texans receiver Higgins, Stiggins, Higgins from Iowa state that we
got the first one. So Higgins got it and then
Swastnger got his deal as a result of what Higgins did.
That's what the timeline was. I think, I think, I think,
(29:18):
if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, Swastngers signed
one day after Higgins.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, correct, and so now and and.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
So that's what created the whole. I knew it was
the Texans that that that that created it. So it's
not Jimmy in particular. But if he does two fully
guaranteed deals for got the top of the second round,
I think, you know, you do get some side as
because of it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Let me ask you, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, speaking
of I mean speaking of guarantees and contracts in Ohio,
are has there been any movement on the defensive line
you know, that's the the rookie end. With Hendrickson the
veteran have have Has there been any movement on Cincinnati
(30:01):
closing that down?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Yes, So with Hendrickson, I think it's just a complicated
situation that's kind of you hit the pause button on
it now while the NFL's I'm breaking. They'll pick it
up when they get back. There have been discussions. I
don't think they're necessarily close. And you know, really there
are two things here. Number one is the wrong number,
which has gotten really big. Right, So you can say
(30:23):
he's not worth what Miles Garrett or what Miles Garrett got,
or what what Michah Parsons will get. But then he
is in the same category as guys like Max Crosby,
and and and and the' Neil Hunter who just got
into the mid thirties on third contract.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Can I stop you there? Can I stop you?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
There?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Is it safe to say that you can't put him
in the same category as Miles Garrett If you look statistically,
it's comparable and they are around the same age.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
He is he is. I just think Miles Garrett's seen
a different on a different on a different level.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know what I mean, but production is production. I mean,
you can you could score twenty points here, they could
score twenty.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Here's what I'm saying, LeVar, LeVar, he's going to be.
He has to be in the mid thirties. Look at
like wero thecounter of the line. Okay, So there's that
part of it. So there's that part of it. And
then the second part of it is structure, right, like
where the Bengals have had these strict rules about structure
over the years. And the thing that complicates this one
(31:22):
is that they did the two receiver contracts right. They
broke their rules to do a deal for Jamar Chase.
They didn't break their rules to do T Higgins right,
So Chase got a deal with a little bit more
from a structure standpoint, like Burrow and Higgins was more
of the traditional deal the Bengals have done. So now
you look at those two guys, which one do you
do for Hendrickson?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
So that one's complicated. And then the shamar Sewart thing,
I mean, I it's it's it's about default. It's about
the default language on the guarantees. And this one is
relatively black and white. Now I think what's what will
be interesting is are the Bengals that head set on
setting a new precedent where they're going to give Stuart
(32:06):
sweeteners to get him to take it? And does Stuart
have to worry about what that's going to mean in
the locker room for him and with other players for
him if he's setting a bad contractual precedent for other players.
So that one, I think, I think that one will
get done. But it's just sort of a matter of
who bunks first.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Jeez abe, we appreciate it. Enjoy the fourth of July holiday.
Stay safe out there. I mean you got you got
great whites swimming around you. There's all sorts of shenanigans
taking place, so be safe.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I will.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I will report back to you guys if I get bitten.
How about that?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
No, don't do that. Just we'll read about it and
we'll send you get well, get well wishes.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And they come in, Hey, they come in closer than
three feet, bro, I know that hold three feet when
jobs came out, they come in.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
They come in closer, closer, the great Whites, closer than
people think. For sure.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You're right, man, don't don't you know boogie Boarton is fun.
Don't try to surf out there, and you know what,
if you can't see your feet, you're too deep. That's
all I'm gonna tell you that. Yeah, all right, all right,
well be.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Not ours.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I mean, otherwise you might lose a leg or a
limb to to pay that cost. Can't we can't have that.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
I love going in the ocean, so it's hard for me,
but I have to be Yeah, you're right, it's I
have to be.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah. Well, listen, enjoy it, enjoying the time with the fam,
and then we'll do it again next week. There is
Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon,
NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the m m QB. Okay, that's wild. Imagine having
your kid out there for surf. I don't want to
really bring it up while AB was on, but it's
(33:50):
like it's like your your devices read your brain from
from now because your algorithm comes up on like what
I was just thinking about something about sharks for some reason,
and the the video of the kid in the water
in Egypt hollering for his dad while he was getting
attacked by a shark. I just saw the video yesterday.
(34:10):
Real video or no, it's a real video. Oh yeah,
in the in the boat had just got to the
point of trying to save him when the shark took
him under, Like the kid is hollering for his dad
and the shark took him money. I just saw that
video yesterday. I'll pull it up for you on the
break as if you want to see it. It's a
(34:34):
little it's it's it's it's sad because I recall it
being on when it hit on, like CNN, they were
like showing it, showing it on the news. That's how
I knew it wasn't AI. I mean, AI has messed
up everything because you don't know if anything's true or
folks anymore. So this was actually a real, real situation
where some type of a shark. I don't know what
type of shark it was, but it it definitely had
(34:55):
its way with little buddy and it was the that
was the end. Yeah, yeah, I'm like like this serment. Yeah,
not going to the water. I'm good. Everybody have fun
with that. Do what you want. Like I said, I
put my feet in the sand and half the time
out here, depending on the time of the year, I'm
not even facing the water. I'm facing the volleyball nets.
You know, well, what's over there. I mean some people
(35:18):
do things ass backwards, and I refuse to be the one,
you know what I mean. So the water I'll turn
around when these professional volleyball tournaments is over. I'm not
looking at the waives. I'm looking at the hills cannon.
It is two pros and a cup of Joe filling
(35:40):
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Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next here in
another edition of the Herdline News, We've got the latest
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Speaker 2 (35:52):
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Speaker 3 (36:01):
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(36:22):
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Speaker 2 (36:53):
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Speaker 8 (36:58):
All right, Ryan Music, you got some news that a
Major League Baseball that's right. Luis Ortiz of the Cleveland
Guardians under investigation by the MLB for breaking the league's
rules on sports gambling. This, according to the SPN, yes
being placed on the non disciplinary list paid leave through
(37:19):
at least July seventeenth. It's going to conclude at the
All Star break. This was negotiated on the MLB and
the players Association could be extended longer if the investigation
remains open.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Past that date, it's wonderful, just wonderful because then you know,
it humanizes these guys. You know a lot of people think, well,
they're a professional athlete, they're above me. No, they're just
like you, degenerates like to gamble, Like to add a
little bit of that hot sauce on a game that
otherwise is pretty dull and uninteresting, throw a prop at
(37:56):
on it. Next thing, you know, all of a sudden,
that game matters that much more. You know, anyone who's
getting busted in professional sports on sports gambling, you're dummy.
What only we need to call it this point, at
this point, I'm sorry, at this point, we need to
call names here. What if you're getting busted and you're
(38:18):
making at least four hundred thousand, right like minimum wages,
somewhere around like four hundred and a half a million,
and you're getting busted at this point in twenty twenty
five in sports gambling, as a pro player or even
a college player, you're a dummy. You're dumb, and whatever
(38:38):
happens to you, it was meant to happen. Nature took
its course. I'm sorry. Stop getting in trouble over gambling
and hit women stuff. Like that. Oh yeah, I mean,
I'm sorry, that's just it's dumb. I just I like
people that you ain't worth mackay. Did people see one
of these pop up and they go, oh god, it's
going to poison the sport. It's gonna No, it's not. Okay,
(39:02):
there's you can always count on some screw off in
every room that you walk into. It's not going to
poison the sport. They're just a couple of guys who
had to scratch the edge. How much you think that
dude's making. How much you think is his contract is
worth the pitch for the Guardians? Yeah, I mean at
least you know, a few hundred grand. All right, Hey,
(39:23):
mortgages are expensive, Well get one that you can afford
with your contract. What you want to do? You got
to go start sports gambling to be able to afford
their bills. You're living beyond your means.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
He's currently on a one year, seven hundred and eighty
thousand dollars contract.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
All right, are you going gamble out of way? Had
they given him an extra hundred thousand, he would now
to go to these extents to to get the extra cash.
I mean crazy, I mean, by the way, is he
betting on actual Major League Baseball games? Or does he
have like his own little you know, sports book his
locker in Cleveland and he's he's taking w n b
(40:03):
A wagers Like, uh, hey, doy, y'all want the mistakes?
Oh what what? What? What is he? What's his name?
Luis Ortiz? That ain't how you sound, man, That ain't
how you sound. When he was asking, I can guarantee
that same man. People get sick, Hey, Mike, They get
(40:27):
so paranoid. Hey, hey, Mike. He gets so paranoid about
this stuff, like, oh my god, it's gonna it's gonna
ruin sports. No, gambling's always been here, it's just now.
Guys are like, oh, I can do it for my phone, Like,
oh I could, I could just for my phone. Stay
away from gamble. If your pro athletes stay away from gambling. Done.
There's us a few things you stay away from, and
(40:47):
that's one of them. Done. You go towards it, you
go in it, you get caught. I don't have any
sympathy sports. Go Ron what you got. All right, We'll
turn our attention to the NBA.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
The Bucks shocked the NBA world when they waved and
stretched to Damian Lillard. Now he's a free agent to
sign with whoever, and according to the Athletic, three teams
have emerged as the top potential landing spots, the Golden
State Warriors, Boston Celtics, and Jonas Knox's Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Hey, listen, you know I could use all the help.
I'd love to see good things happen. Why wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He's not playing.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
This year though, so it's like a futures contract. That's
the current reporting.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
I guess the idea is that he will be in
some type of healthy playing shape by the postseason.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Or they will bring him in and rehab him. I
don't see what. I guess. He's good enough where you
feel like, if you can get him right now, just
go ahead and get him and hold him until he's
he's healthy and ready to go. But I don't know
if I was one of those fan base at if
I was one of those fan based who are the teams?
It's the Warriors, Celtics, Lakers. Correct, all right, Celtics could
(41:53):
use them, but they I mean, you're dealing with one Gaile,
you're gonna add another Gailes.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
Gailey's replaced six weeks earlier.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Is that reab cheaper if it's two for one? Maybe
that's what it is, Like, I want to get one
fifty get too bad as ballplayers both the same time.
I'd like some immediate answers like what about this year,
like and is there any help coming this year?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That is crazy, ar bizarre
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we take you all the way up until noon Eastern
time or excuse me, at three o'clock Eastern time noon
Pacific here on FSR. So we opened up the show
talking about the feel good moment in Los Angeles with
Clayton Kershaw getting strikeout three thousand and then the reality
of waking up and realizing you're also probably a Laker fan,
which sucks, but again, you know is what it is.
(01:20):
That being said, we now turn over to somebody else
in the world of football who knows a thing or
two about dysfunction. That would be none other than Nebraska
head coach Matt Ruhle, your former teammate at Penn State.
Lebar you guys are men. Yeah, you guys are real
nice to him. In practice, I'm sure we had a
good time with Matt. Matt was a special teams guy.
(01:41):
He was a special situations person. Yeah, it's super super
intelligent football player. Again, I credit him with a lot
of things that I learned as a freshman. How you know,
I knew how to study film to a certain degree.
I knew how to take notes to a certain degree.
In high school, had pretty good, good program I had
came from. But when I got to college, I realized
(02:04):
very quickly how much of the educational part of football
was involved in terms of the studying, being able to
know what to look for, you know, being able to
break down what it is that that the offense is
doing and how you need to apply that to you
and your information in your notes. Matt. Matt Ruhle did
(02:25):
an excellent job of sitting with me and us learning that.
You know, my freshman year there was his last year there.
But it turns out it translated into him being a
really really fine football coach as well through through the years.
So he was talking with Greg McElroy on the Always
College Football podcast, and he says that the experience in
(02:46):
the NFL probably makes him more ready for what the
new experience of college football is.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Like, I think the biggest.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
Certain thing you learn when you're in the NFL is
really evaluation, you know, like the four collegetable. So, yeah,
he's offer was taken.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
You get the NFL.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
It's all They're all good players, you know, it's just
a what's the financial value we're put on this person
and put on this position. And you're in the NFL.
You good free agency and you see teams walking away
from the lead players because of their contract situation.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
So that was Matt Ruhle talking about the contractual similarities
now all of a sudden between the NFL and in
college football, and it is it does I do wonder
if him having that time there in the league makes
him more ready for it from that standpoint to where
it's now not just your typical well do you want
(03:41):
to go recruiting now the money aspect being brought into it,
maybe it makes those conversations and how he evaluates players
and what they can and can't do. Maybe it makes
that a little bit more I guess a little bit
more accustomed to him, just based on that time he
had in Carolina in the NFL. I mean, I would
assume that that would be the reason why Bill Belichick
went to North Carolina is that we are stepping into
(04:06):
a brave new world of what the NFL represents. I mean,
excuse me, what college football represents. And you do have
to figure out what the value is on the position,
you know, on the skill level, on the influence. There
are a lot of elements that are now in play.
I would say it's probably a little bit more complex
(04:26):
and a little bit more complicated than just looking at
it from the scope of what happens in the NFL.
Other than you having to figure out how much to
pay and evaluating based off of what the pay would
be versus evaluating if I want to give this guy
a scholarship, if we want him to play on the
(04:47):
field as a starter in one of the offensive or
defensive groups versus special teams. It's just very different. I
think the reason why it would be more complex, Jonas
is from the standpoint of the transfer portal is what
really to me, makes it very interesting. We just had
the conversation too long ago, not too long ago, about
(05:12):
the suing. Now we have one university sue another university
based upon taking what is in Miami took a player
from Wisconsin. Wisconsin, Okay, they felt like the player owed
them whatever it is he owed them based off of
the contract that he signed. So until elements like that
(05:32):
get cleared up, where the legalities of what's taking place
at the college level and how that works and who
your you know, I bet I guess basically who your
rights belonged to. Now, yes, you do have an advantage
over most likely college coaches because they don't understand most
likely you know, salary caps and free agency and how
(05:56):
that all works. But there's still a earning curve that's
there because of the lack of structure and the lack
of established rules on what the engagements are. What's a do,
what's a don't? You know, what's breaking the rule, what isn't?
There is a lot of gray area that still exists
at the college level, and I think that it makes
(06:19):
it very difficult for coaches and administrators like athletic directors.
You know, you're talking about twenty million dollars. I believe
that they get yearly. But that's for all sports. It's
not just for one sport. So now you got to
figure out a salary cap, but you got to figure
out what that salary cap represents for all of your sports.
I think Penn Se has like something like eight hundred
(06:41):
plus student athletes in their school, So there's a lot
that has to be figured out. But now you start
to break it down by sport. And obviously you're at
you're hiring gms, You're you're hiring head of staffs that
that are Now you're now structuring the football programs more
light proteins, and I would say that's probably where Matt
(07:03):
Rule is probably talking about, outside of just evaluation, having
maybe somewhat of an advantage in terms of how he
runs its teams. And I would also say, based on
his time in the NFL with Carolina, at least he's
got a pretty good example of how not to do
things because that place was a complete clown show. And
what he went through at Carolina or where David Tepper
(07:26):
brings him in, there was some interest from the Giants.
Matt Rule gets a seven year deal from the Panthers,
then all of a sudden, all the conversations, the whispers
start to start up that David Tepper is getting involved,
he's meddling into things to and Matt rule even said
before the season, before he was fired, listen, I signed
(07:47):
a seven year deal. I was told by David Tepp.
Basically put David Tepper on blasts like, hey, I was
told by the owner that I'm going to be given
a significant amount of time to get this thing sorted out.
I'm working with that understanding going into all this, and then,
you know, however long it was later than he was gone.
I wonder if Matt Ruhle goes back to college with
(08:09):
a better understanding of the salary cap, the structure, but
also a better understanding of whatever I do. I don't
want it to turn into what I came from in
the NFL, like he's got he's got to be. I
would imagine he draws from that experience of exhibit A,
how things could go sideways if you let it get
(08:30):
out of control above you. Well, you know what's interesting
point to that is is that when it's the pros,
people have no problem doing coverage and scrutinizing the dysfunction
of ownership or of the front office. It almost seems
as though that's what's going to eventually take shape and
(08:52):
take hold at the college level. Probably. Yeah, you've never
really heard like, oh, the dysfunction of the president of
the university, ad of the university or all those different things.
So you'd have to assume, and this brave new world
of nil and how things are being handled at the
college level, that if you're dealing with a dysfunctional organization university,
(09:15):
front office, ads, administrators, whatever it may be, if you're
dealing with that type of dysfunction, I wonder will that
become prevalent and will that create more pressure on the
universities and how they're not only hiring their athletic directors,
but ultimately how they're hiring the presidents and the people
that administratively are running the school. It's it's almost like,
(09:38):
now that money's involved, uh, oh, open season on everybody.
Oh like yah, now that we know that people are
getting paid, players admitted. Now that we know all of that,
everybody's going to be held to the same standard that
you've seen from a professional level. You could play that
this is an academic institution game. All you want you're
gonna find your academic institution as out on the street
(10:00):
looking for a job. You gotta figure it out because
that is that has been the cash cow for these
universities for many, many moons. And if you mess that
up now because you don't, you know, it's always been
really easy to minimize. Even like when I played for
Joe Paterno, Joe minimized athletics. He minimized athletes because it
(10:26):
was more about being a student. It was more about education.
It's like, who cares, we play the game, we win
the game, we lose the game. But they got class
on Monday. They got to turn in their their their papers.
They gotta get good grades. Like it was always about academics. Okay, hey, hey,
(10:51):
I'll put you on the bus that I brought your
year on. Shut a man anyway. But but here's my point.
The point is is that you cannot hide behind the
moniker of this is a place in an institution of
higher learning and education. You can't have behind it. You
(11:13):
certainly have to have it. The prestige of going to
a fine college and the institution of learning higher learning
is very attractive, but make no mistake about it, you
will not be in any position as a head of school, president,
of the school board of trustees, whatever it is. You
are not in a place where you can minimize athletics
(11:37):
and try to suppress what athletics represents to the earning capacity,
of what it represents to the university and in some
cases to the state. You can't minimize it now because
it is now being turned into a very very pro
like approach, and now people are going to be in
(11:59):
a very very quick rush, a quick movement to try
to figure out what the solutions are, what are what
are even the positions the appointment of new jobs that
have to be created in order to be able to
handle this. You're going to have to have capologists. You're
gonna have to have gms. You're gonna have to You're
(12:19):
gonna have to have scouts like and they already have
scouts Mia Michael Lombardi's Michael Lombardi's, Belichick's GM College. There's
a lot there. There's a lot. There is a lot here,
and hearing what Matt Ruhle has to say, it's just
the tip of the iceberg in terms of all of
(12:40):
the conversations that are going to continue to come up
and become like, what what are the main topics of
conversations as it applies to this new world of what
sports represent at the college level. Do you mean to
tell me, as we sit here right now on the
third of July, that the term student athlete is still
(13:03):
longer means the same thing. No, it doesn't. It doesn't
because you don't have to everybody that understands going to
college and playing the game that was a that was
a politically correct way of expressing what you were as
a scholarship player. You had to say it, I am
a student athlete. And while it is still not a
(13:28):
pay for play model in college, it is still not
pay for play. The one term that they have to
get used to, and it's going to have to be embraced,
and it's going to lead to a whole lot of
different things, organizing unions and having union reps and maybe
it leads to collective bargaining agreements and all kinds of
(13:51):
stuff like that. Is employee is employee, And that's what's
going to be interesting. How quickly does the college level
get to the place where it is comfortable saying that
these are employees, meaning if they are employees, you're talking
(14:13):
about retirement, you're talking about insurance, You're taking all the
things that come along with being an employee. They are
going to have to figure for and they're going to
have to have the resources and the funds to put
towards those things. Once it becomes a real thing that
college athletes are not student athletes just student athletes. They
(14:37):
are students, They are athletes, and they are employees. Once
you get those three put together and the understanding of.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
That is really realized, realized to speak for a living,
Once the realization of that comes to fruition, there is
going to be so many people lawyers, you know, financial planners,
you name it.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
There's going to be so there's even private private family offices, investors,
major investors. They are now looking at the college space
the same way that they're looking at the pro space.
There are people that are actually trying to purchase the
rights of the school. It's outside of the lear fields
and the playflies and stuff like that. There are actually
(15:24):
private equity groups that are trying to purchase schools. In
other words, what it is that the sports represents. They're
trying to purchase the rights to that so that they
can use that as a place to place their money.
This is a very deep rabbit hole that has been created,
and I don't see the bottom of it. I don't
(15:46):
see the bottom of it just yet. It's still just black.
It's just darkness. You don't see the bottom, like, Oh,
there's the floor of this nil there's the floor of
this new new college college world. You don't see it yet.
There's still so much much more to be defined. I mean,
what does that look like for liability? You know, what
type of lawsuits are going to come from? You know
(16:08):
the athletes that are playing, Like, what type of rights
do they have? How does this impact Title nine? Like
with women's involvement and them having fair opportunity to be
treated equally? How do all of these things happen? Do
you stay with the NCAAA. How strong does the NCAA stay.
There are a lot of different conversations, a lot of
different lanes, a lot of different roads where all of
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these things have to be discussed and have to be
flushed out and established, and it isn't going to be
anytime soon. And these athletes are tasked with trying to
navigate it as athletes to a new space, and so
are the coaches and so are the administrators of these schools.
It's the hurd. Here Fox Sports Trade EO, LeVar Arrington,
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Right now, though, we welcome in Albert Breer, Amazon on
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at the MMQB get them on ex at Albert Breer
and apparently live on the set of Jaws. Ab what's happening?
Speaker 7 (18:12):
Yeah, so anybody knows the beaches up here, we've had
shark issues over the last decade or so. So yeah,
I was going to be with you guys live from
my kids Surfluss and I got canceled because there was
a sim sighting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
At the beach.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
He was going to do it at Now we're another
beach and hopefully my service holds up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So what up? There's just sharks swimming around. It's it's swimming.
It's great. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (18:35):
Actually I was actually explaining this to Lee. It's actually
really interesting. It's like thirty or forty years ago. I
can't remember what it was. There was like the Marine
Wildlife Protection Acts, right, this is like the eighties or nineties,
and you know what that obviously I did a lot
of good, but it also created the explosion of certain populations.
So there was an explosion in the population of seals.
(18:59):
And where the seals go, the sharks go to eat,
and so the seals got pushed closer and closer to
the shore. And so now the sharks are basically along
the shore in New England. And so I'm talking like
it's not just sand sharks, it's like bull sharks, like
great whites aren't very far from the shore. They're all
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over the place up here. She gotta be really careful.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Or just don't go in the water at all. I mean,
that's I mean, I've always I.
Speaker 7 (19:28):
Love going in the water, right, I love going in
the water. But I'm also like one of these guys
who's like, I mean, I feel it's like this like
this in the woods too. To some degree, I'm like,
that's their turf, like, so you better respect it, you
know what I mean, Like I don't want to run
into a bear in the woods. I mean, so I'm
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not doing any dumb cowboys stuff, and I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
I appreciate you being smart. That that is good. Speaking
of being smart smart, can I ask you this, I'm
I've been hearing this rumor swirling around, circulating around. Curious
if you've heard it, because we you know, I took
a whole entire segment talking about it an hour one.
The possibilities of a trade between the Commanders and the Steelers. TJ.
(20:14):
Watt obviously going to the Commanders, they would be able
to shore up and make their defensive front a super
formidable defensive front, but it would cost them the services
of Terry McLaurin. And if they were to do that,
and I believe that there were were draft capital draft
(20:35):
picks involved with the trade as well, going from from
the Commanders to the Steelers. If that were the case,
my contention is, why not do it if you feel
as though you're to the point now where getting rid
of TJ. Watt a year early is better than getting
rid of TJ. Watt a year late after a contract.
(20:55):
And if we're going with a one and done with
Aaron Rodgers, why not add a player that actually definitively
says you've made your offense better with your offseason moves
versus you. It's a swap out. You know, Pickins DK Metcalf,
take your choice. Maybe one makes you better, one doesn't.
But if you had McLaurin to that, you have certainly
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given him an arsenal of weapons to be able to
have success.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
It's a it's a fascinating idea of our and I
don't mind the idea of it, you know, I think
in large part because it does kind of sit in
with what the with what with with what the Steelers
have done this offseason in general, So it's not it's
not an awful idea. I just I think with both
the players, you know, you have to be confident you're
(21:44):
gonna get a deal done. And I think part of
the hold up in both the contracts is kind of
where those guys are in their careers and that they're
in their thirties and both teams. I mean, obviously, you
guys know what Cherry McLaurin means the Commanders, and you
know what TJ what means the Steelers. Both from a
playing standpoint of LEADLeadership standpoint a lot of different stuff, right, So,
like they read, the only reason either of those teams
(22:05):
would hesitate on paying them as age, right, and you're
looking at both those guys that are on the wrong
side of thirty, and it's not do I think you
can play for me this year, It's like, what is
this going to look like two years from now? So, like,
I think in both cases, it would take the team
because I don't think like the contract issue is going
to go away if you trade those guys, right, Like,
(22:26):
those guys are still going to want, you know, to
do big contracts with their new teams. So is this
a situation where the Commanders feel more comfortable paying TJ.
Watt and the Steelers feel more comfortable paying Terry McLaurin
than they do their own players. So that's what it
would take to make it work. And I don't know
(22:48):
one way to the other, but I suspect I suspect
that's probably why it would be hard to get a
deal done. Not that like either of those teams would
love to have those guys. And you know, the one
hole that Washington has roster right now that sitting there's
pass rush for sure, and you know you can question
the Steelers' depths, you know, receiver as well, and that
would really supercharge everything they do and he'd be a
(23:09):
good compliment to DK metcalf. I think the contractual part
of it is kind of where the rubber meets the road,
and that's why they're in these situations to begin with. Right,
we're not talking about either mcclorn or what being traded
if it weren't for the contract situation.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, absolutely, Albert, We're joining us here on the Herd
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in for Colin A.
B on the heels of the Steelers Dolphins trade that
took place. Jalen Ramsey, John hu Smith go to Pittsburgh
and then you've got make a Fitzpatrick going to Miami,
and then Miami then proceeds to trade for Darren Waller
(23:43):
who was retired and then bring him in his tight end.
What are the Dolphins doing?
Speaker 7 (23:50):
I've got that question a lot, Jonas. I think it's
a it's it's gonna involve a word that they will
not use one speaking about what they're doing publicly, and
that word is rebuilt. You know, I think they had
this window where to Azona's rookie contract, they could spend aggressively,
they could build aggressively, and you know, I think like,
(24:12):
if you really add up everything that's happened this offseason,
it's sort of an acknowledgment. Okay, like we need to
move on to the next phase. Now, we need to
move on to the phase where we have to build
a little bit differently. Because we have our quarterback on
a big second contract. They could delay that by a
year or two if they wanted to, but doing that
would have to come with a real belief that you're
that close to a championship. And if you're being real
(24:34):
with yourself in your Miami, do you feel that way,
Like do you feel like you're a player or two
away from from knocking on the door and knocking off
the Chiefs or the Ravens, or the or the Bengals
or the you know, or the Bills, Like I don't,
I don't know you feel that way, you know? So
I think where they are right now, toront Armstead retires,
(24:56):
Ramsey's traded, I think they would listen on Tyreek Hill.
They've got some holes and the roster they didn't have before.
Two edge rushers I'm both having dealt with very serious injuries,
and Bradley Chubb and and Jalen Phillips like I just
think if you look at the team, you say yourself, like,
how many of these guys are going to be here
in two years? I think you can name two guys
to me, it's It's It's it's Jalen Waddle and it's
(25:19):
Chop Robinson. And other than those two, I don't know
how many guys are going to be there, you know,
in twenty twenty seven. So I think this is a
natural spot for them to retool and rebuild. And to me, like,
that's moving Ramsey and Johnny Smith's contract, Doctor Ledger, moving
those problems, Doctor Ledger, And I wouldn't read too much
into the wall or thing other than that's just a
way to try to stop gap a hole that you
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created by trading Johnny Smith.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
What you said two people, you didn't say three. So
should I assume that includes coaches as well?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Mean, well I guess I should say two. Also, right, Well.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I'm not saying tua, I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (25:53):
What about the jokes? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
What about the job? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (25:56):
No, I know, I think that's fair. I mean, I
look like I does he have some security? Yeah, he
just signed an extension last year. Do I feel like
for sure he's going to be there in twenty twenty seven.
I don't know, you know, I mean it's I mean,
if if you're looking at potentially getting rid of the
general manager, Chris Career, who's been there for a long time,
does that come with like a complete reset of the organization,
(26:19):
I don't know. And I think Mike's for the most
part's done a really nice job, you know, I mean
was where they are versus where they were when he
got there, Like they've made a lot of progress, and
the culture there has been for the most part until
last year was was good and he fixed a lot
of things there he got into the playoffs. But yeah,
I mean, like I don't know. I mean, if you're
going through a roster retool, you know, and all of
(26:40):
a sudden you're a four or a five win team,
we could be talking about something.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Else in tire Albert Breer with US Year on Fox
Sports Radio. How is it going to play out with
the fact that thirty of thirty two second round picks
are still unsigned because two guys got fully guaranteed deals
and everybody else is like, why should I sign something
different than them?
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Do you?
Speaker 3 (26:59):
How do you think this all plays out? With training
camp right around the corner.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
I mean, I think it's just it sort of depends on,
like you know, each one of these deals, and when
the first person does a deal that isn't fully guaranteed.
And and the lynchpin right now is Tyler Shuck the
quarterbacks and the Saints who look, I have to look
it up. He was he thirty five thirty six. I
think he might have been thirty sixth overall, But that's
the one everybody's waiting for because that comes with the
quarterback premium, right and then Quinchohn Judkins is right there.
(27:25):
And so if you're Judkins and you see the Carson
Schwassinger who want a couple of picks before you got
a fully guaranteed deal from the Browns, you're gonna be
looking for the same thing from the Browns, you know.
So there are a couple up there.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Shuck was forty, by the way, pick forty.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Chuck was four. Okay, so all right, so Shuck was forty.
So like you're talking about like Shuck, like there's the
people are waiting on Shuck as the quarterback premium, and
does the quarterback at the fully guaranteed deal, because if
the quarterback is the full guaranteed deal at forty And
I'm sorry I mixed that up, but if Shuck is
a fully guaranteed deal at forty, then everybody before forty
is going to ask for it. So if you were
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picked before forty, you're waiting on that, right Like Meanwhile,
on the other end of the spectrum, it's thirty five
and again I have to look up who was thirty five?
Was that Judkins.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Em and Worry from Southminorial and.
Speaker 7 (28:12):
Then Judkins was thirty six? Right? Yeah, So Judkins of
course has the fact that the sweassenger got the fully
guaranteed deal, so now he wants what his teammate got
em and Wauria of course is going to wait to
see if the Browns double double down on what they
did with Sweastnger with Judkins and then you get the
quarterback four picks after that. Thank you for organizing.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Well, but is there? And I want to ask you
this is there because now it feels like Jimmy haslm's
done it again to where he's done the guaranteed deal
and put everybody in a bad spot, like what is
what's the opinion of him around the league? From from
owners and people that are in the NFL.
Speaker 7 (28:49):
Well, it wasn't him, right or was he thirty three?
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Yeah, Jimmy, yeah, that was a Sweassinger.
Speaker 7 (28:55):
Thirty three or thirty thirty three right, Judkins is thirty
six and okay, okay, now I have it strict because
but but it wasn't him actually, because it was the
Texans receiver Higgins, Stiggins, Higgins from Iowa state that we
got the first one. So Higgins got it and then
Swastnger got his deal as a result of what Higgins did.
That's what the timeline was. I think, I think, I think,
(29:18):
if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistaken, Swastngers signed
one day after Higgins.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Yeah, correct, and so now and and.
Speaker 7 (29:26):
So that's what created the whole. I knew it was
the Texans that that that that created it. So it's
not Jimmy in particular. But if he does two fully
guaranteed deals for got the top of the second round,
I think, you know, you do get some side as
because of it.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Let me ask you, Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, speaking
of I mean speaking of guarantees and contracts in Ohio,
are has there been any movement on the defensive line
you know, that's the the rookie end. With Hendrickson the
veteran have have Has there been any movement on Cincinnati
(30:01):
closing that down?
Speaker 7 (30:02):
Yes, So with Hendrickson, I think it's just a complicated
situation that's kind of you hit the pause button on
it now while the NFL's I'm breaking. They'll pick it
up when they get back. There have been discussions. I
don't think they're necessarily close. And you know, really there
are two things here. Number one is the wrong number,
which has gotten really big. Right, So you can say
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he's not worth what Miles Garrett or what Miles Garrett got,
or what what Michah Parsons will get. But then he
is in the same category as guys like Max Crosby,
and and and and the' Neil Hunter who just got
into the mid thirties on third contract.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Can I stop you there? Can I stop you?
Speaker 4 (30:39):
There?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Is it safe to say that you can't put him
in the same category as Miles Garrett If you look statistically,
it's comparable and they are around the same age.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
He is he is. I just think Miles Garrett's seen
a different on a different on a different level.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
You know what I mean, but production is production. I mean,
you can you could score twenty points here, they could
score twenty.
Speaker 7 (31:02):
Here's what I'm saying, LeVar, LeVar, he's going to be.
He has to be in the mid thirties. Look at
like wero thecounter of the line. Okay, So there's that
part of it. So there's that part of it. And
then the second part of it is structure, right, like
where the Bengals have had these strict rules about structure
over the years. And the thing that complicates this one
(31:22):
is that they did the two receiver contracts right. They
broke their rules to do a deal for Jamar Chase.
They didn't break their rules to do T Higgins right,
So Chase got a deal with a little bit more
from a structure standpoint, like Burrow and Higgins was more
of the traditional deal the Bengals have done. So now
you look at those two guys, which one do you
do for Hendrickson?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Right?
Speaker 7 (31:43):
So that one's complicated. And then the shamar Sewart thing,
I mean, I it's it's it's about default. It's about
the default language on the guarantees. And this one is
relatively black and white. Now I think what's what will
be interesting is are the Bengals that head set on
setting a new precedent where they're going to give Stuart
(32:06):
sweeteners to get him to take it? And does Stuart
have to worry about what that's going to mean in
the locker room for him and with other players for
him if he's setting a bad contractual precedent for other players.
So that one, I think, I think that one will
get done. But it's just sort of a matter of
who bunks first.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
Jeez abe, we appreciate it. Enjoy the fourth of July holiday.
Stay safe out there. I mean you got you got
great whites swimming around you. There's all sorts of shenanigans
taking place, so be safe.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I will.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
I will report back to you guys if I get bitten.
How about that?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
No, don't do that. Just we'll read about it and
we'll send you get well, get well wishes.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Man.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
And they come in, Hey, they come in closer than
three feet, bro, I know that hold three feet when
jobs came out, they come in.
Speaker 7 (32:53):
They come in closer, closer, the great Whites, closer than
people think. For sure.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
You're right, man, don't don't you know boogie Boarton is fun.
Don't try to surf out there, and you know what,
if you can't see your feet, you're too deep. That's
all I'm gonna tell you that. Yeah, all right, all right,
well be.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Not ours.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
I mean, otherwise you might lose a leg or a
limb to to pay that cost. Can't we can't have that.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
I love going in the ocean, so it's hard for me,
but I have to be Yeah, you're right, it's I
have to be.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah. Well, listen, enjoy it, enjoying the time with the fam,
and then we'll do it again next week. There is
Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon,
NFL on Prime Insider, Senior NFL reporter, lead content strategist
at the m m QB. Okay, that's wild. Imagine having
your kid out there for surf. I don't want to
really bring it up while AB was on, but it's
(33:50):
like it's like your your devices read your brain from
from now because your algorithm comes up on like what
I was just thinking about something about sharks for some reason,
and the the video of the kid in the water
in Egypt hollering for his dad while he was getting
attacked by a shark. I just saw the video yesterday.
(34:10):
Real video or no, it's a real video. Oh yeah,
in the in the boat had just got to the
point of trying to save him when the shark took
him under, Like the kid is hollering for his dad
and the shark took him money. I just saw that
video yesterday. I'll pull it up for you on the
break as if you want to see it. It's a
(34:34):
little it's it's it's it's sad because I recall it
being on when it hit on, like CNN, they were
like showing it, showing it on the news. That's how
I knew it wasn't AI. I mean, AI has messed
up everything because you don't know if anything's true or
folks anymore. So this was actually a real, real situation
where some type of a shark. I don't know what
type of shark it was, but it it definitely had
(34:55):
its way with little buddy and it was the that
was the end. Yeah, yeah, I'm like like this serment. Yeah,
not going to the water. I'm good. Everybody have fun
with that. Do what you want. Like I said, I
put my feet in the sand and half the time
out here, depending on the time of the year, I'm
not even facing the water. I'm facing the volleyball nets.
You know, well, what's over there. I mean some people
(35:18):
do things ass backwards, and I refuse to be the one,
you know what I mean. So the water I'll turn
around when these professional volleyball tournaments is over. I'm not
looking at the waives. I'm looking at the hills cannon.
It is two pros and a cup of Joe filling
(35:40):
in for the Herd here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox in for Colin. Coming up next here in
another edition of the Herdline News, We've got the latest
scandal in the world of sports right here on FSR.
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(36:22):
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Speaker 8 (36:58):
All right, Ryan Music, you got some news that a
Major League Baseball that's right. Luis Ortiz of the Cleveland
Guardians under investigation by the MLB for breaking the league's
rules on sports gambling. This, according to the SPN, yes
being placed on the non disciplinary list paid leave through
(37:19):
at least July seventeenth. It's going to conclude at the
All Star break. This was negotiated on the MLB and
the players Association could be extended longer if the investigation
remains open.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Past that date, it's wonderful, just wonderful because then you know,
it humanizes these guys. You know a lot of people think, well,
they're a professional athlete, they're above me. No, they're just
like you, degenerates like to gamble, Like to add a
little bit of that hot sauce on a game that
otherwise is pretty dull and uninteresting, throw a prop at
(37:56):
on it. Next thing, you know, all of a sudden,
that game matters that much more. You know, anyone who's
getting busted in professional sports on sports gambling, you're dummy.
What only we need to call it this point, at
this point, I'm sorry, at this point, we need to
call names here. What if you're getting busted and you're
(38:18):
making at least four hundred thousand, right like minimum wages,
somewhere around like four hundred and a half a million,
and you're getting busted at this point in twenty twenty
five in sports gambling, as a pro player or even
a college player, you're a dummy. You're dumb, and whatever
(38:38):
happens to you, it was meant to happen. Nature took
its course. I'm sorry. Stop getting in trouble over gambling
and hit women stuff. Like that. Oh yeah, I mean,
I'm sorry, that's just it's dumb. I just I like
people that you ain't worth mackay. Did people see one
of these pop up and they go, oh god, it's
going to poison the sport. It's gonna No, it's not. Okay,
(39:02):
there's you can always count on some screw off in
every room that you walk into. It's not going to
poison the sport. They're just a couple of guys who
had to scratch the edge. How much you think that
dude's making. How much you think is his contract is
worth the pitch for the Guardians? Yeah, I mean at
least you know, a few hundred grand. All right, Hey,
(39:23):
mortgages are expensive, Well get one that you can afford
with your contract. What you want to do? You got
to go start sports gambling to be able to afford
their bills. You're living beyond your means.
Speaker 8 (39:34):
He's currently on a one year, seven hundred and eighty
thousand dollars contract.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
All right, are you going gamble out of way? Had
they given him an extra hundred thousand, he would now
to go to these extents to to get the extra cash.
I mean crazy, I mean, by the way, is he
betting on actual Major League Baseball games? Or does he
have like his own little you know, sports book his
locker in Cleveland and he's he's taking w n b
(40:03):
A wagers Like, uh, hey, doy, y'all want the mistakes?
Oh what what? What? What is he? What's his name?
Luis Ortiz? That ain't how you sound, man, That ain't
how you sound. When he was asking, I can guarantee
that same man. People get sick, Hey, Mike, They get
(40:27):
so paranoid. Hey, hey, Mike. He gets so paranoid about
this stuff, like, oh my god, it's gonna it's gonna
ruin sports. No, gambling's always been here, it's just now.
Guys are like, oh, I can do it for my phone, Like,
oh I could, I could just for my phone. Stay
away from gamble. If your pro athletes stay away from gambling. Done.
There's us a few things you stay away from, and
(40:47):
that's one of them. Done. You go towards it, you
go in it, you get caught. I don't have any
sympathy sports. Go Ron what you got. All right, We'll
turn our attention to the NBA.
Speaker 8 (40:57):
The Bucks shocked the NBA world when they waved and
stretched to Damian Lillard. Now he's a free agent to
sign with whoever, and according to the Athletic, three teams
have emerged as the top potential landing spots, the Golden
State Warriors, Boston Celtics, and Jonas Knox's Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Hey, listen, you know I could use all the help.
I'd love to see good things happen. Why wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
He's not playing.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
This year though, so it's like a futures contract. That's
the current reporting.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
I guess the idea is that he will be in
some type of healthy playing shape by the postseason.
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Or they will bring him in and rehab him. I
don't see what. I guess. He's good enough where you
feel like, if you can get him right now, just
go ahead and get him and hold him until he's
he's healthy and ready to go. But I don't know
if I was one of those fan base at if
I was one of those fan based who are the teams?
It's the Warriors, Celtics, Lakers. Correct, all right, Celtics could
(41:53):
use them, but they I mean, you're dealing with one Gaile,
you're gonna add another Gailes.
Speaker 8 (41:58):
Gailey's replaced six weeks earlier.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
Is that reab cheaper if it's two for one? Maybe
that's what it is, Like, I want to get one
fifty get too bad as ballplayers both the same time.
I'd like some immediate answers like what about this year,
like and is there any help coming this year?
Speaker 6 (42:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
That is crazy, ar bizarre
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