November 1, 2021 • 38 mins
Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington are sorry Jameis Winston suffered a 'significant' knee injury after a horse-collar tackle, but they aren't for demonizing the brutality of the NFL. They share their love for Pumpkin Bread and Lattes. The Bears are an example of instability being the biggest enemy to a players career. Plus, the latest on a potential Deshaun Watson trade before Tuesday's Deadline.
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Sports Radio. So it is a controversial play in the NFL.
It led to some problems and it could change things
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here coming up in just a couple of moments from now.
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been listening to the show, we talked about this earlier.
The New Orleans Saints get it done. Uh, they apparently
have Tom Brady's number in the regular season. They are
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now three and oh against the Bucks and Tom Brady
in the regular season the past couple of years. But
there was some damage done as Jamis Winston. According to
Ian Rapp report of the NFL and Network, the fear
is a torn a c L with some MCL damage.
Trevor Simeon was enough to get it done for New
Orleans yesterday. But now the conversation turns to what are
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the Saints do a quarterback moving forward? Reportedly they will
not be making a move to bring in Cam Newton.
Who knows. Maybe we've now got a new participant in
the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes as we we wait to see
what's gonna happen with that before the trade deadline. But
on the last no Jamis Winston. So now the conversation
pivots to something else. Was that the horse caller tackle.
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Here we go because the horse collar tackle is what
led to the injury. And it has been outlawed by
the NFL for a long time because was it was
it Roy Williams, the Cowboys player, that was his move.
Well that was my move. So he stole from all right,
So yeah, is a is a thief. He stole that from.
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But see there's a there's ways of doing the horse caller.
I don't have a problem with horse collar and a
guy I have a problem. See what Roy Williams did,
he evolved his horse collar. I horse collared you. I
pulled you down and I just pulled you straight down
to the ground like quick, I'm gonna track you down.
And that's a lever, Like you have different levers on
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the body, different levers on on the shoulder pads, the shoulder,
the chest area of the shoulder pads around the neck
area are grab points like you can leverage it like
like a handle. Um. And and so I made a
living off of routinely grabbing the back of people's paths
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to get them down and and and you know what
it is, what it is like there was a part
of the game for me and I don't I don't
have any type of feeling towards it one way or
the other in terms of you know, people said that
it doesn't look safe or that's that shouldn't be a
part of the game, like f that like that was
one of my deals. But I would never roll up
on anybody's legs. Like that's the thing about it. When
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the horse collar evolved into guys grabbing the back of
your your jersey, the back of your pads and then
throwing their bodies, like whipping their bodies onto the that's different.
That's different. But you know, it's it's been nonetheless, and
it's said that Jamis Winston's um in the situation that
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he's in based off of a play that you know,
obviously is now something you should not do in the
course of the game. I don't think it should be illegal.
I don't either, Um, I don't. Look, it is a
The sport is violence every step of the way. It
is violence. Um. Look, we talked about earlier. I mean,
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you know Boswell, you know on a fake field goal
ended up with a concussion, you know, for for for
Pittsburgh yesterday, Like it is. It is collision after collision
after collision, And I can understand them wanting to make
the game a little bit safer when it comes to
illegal shots to the head. But when you're making a tackle,
I don't think that Devin White is trying to hurt
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Jamis Winston. He's trying to bring him down to make
a play. And so it would be one thing, like
because some guys are out there to hurt into maim
and I know that because I was one of them.
I was out there to hurt into Maine. Like if
I hit you hard enough to break your ribs, that
that I got pleasure out of that, Like I'm I'm
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I am testing my manhood and my intestinal fortitude and
my preparation and how hard I can lay the wood
and the lumber to you. And and if if you
tap out, like when I knocked Sean Alexander out and
that playoff game and he was on the ground. I
won't go into the graphic details of what I saw
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in the helmet when I was looking at him after
I did it, But that sense of power that you're wielding,
like me, my body, me and who I am. I
brought that force to this man another man, and he
needs they need to come get him. Like that's a rush.
That's a rush, And and Honestly, I'm giving you guys,
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like you know of a glance into the mind of
a maniac on the on the football field, just so
you guys are aware of this. But the feeling you
get when you can physically dominate another man and it's legal,
that there's something to be said about it. So the
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idea of it is, it's it's nothing. It's no different
than contact sports. It's no different like, Okay, you're not
gonna eye goug somebody in m m A. There are
rules to certain things you can't do. You can't head
clap of dude in his ears and stuff like that.
Same thing. There's rules that get put into play to
make the to raise the quality of the safety. But
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when you're talking about raising the quality of the safety,
I mean, really think about it, like it's a full
contact sport. Do you understand how violent it is between
lineman every single play, how valid it is between lineman
and linebackers when they engage every single play, And and
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it only matters, It only matters when it's like it
happens to a quarterback or it happens to a receiver.
It only matters when it happens then you know, and
that's think that that's kind of kind of lane. Well,
I just I look at it and I go, all right,
if we all understand that it is a violent sport,
and and this violent sport leads to problems, you can
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only do so much before you just get to the
point to where, hey, bad things are going to happen sometimes. Man,
it doesn't mean that it's intentional. Devin White wasn't intentionally
trying to rip up Jamis Winston's knee. He made a tackle,
it went wrong. Jamis Winston could have gotten folded up
at any point during the game and suffered a knee injury.
The idea that that the horse caller that we're banning that,
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but I would say this. I mean, when you see
alignman have his hand to the face mask under a
face mask of a defensive lineman, and they'll give him,
they'll give him a foul baby, they'll call it every
they don't call it every play, And I just feel like,
what what do we really trying to do when it
comes to the horse call, Like, are we really trying
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to Collared Brett Farve once and jacked his knee up,
and I was pumped up that I sent him out
of the game. So I'm not I'm not apologetic about
being out there executing my my assignments. And if I
execute a person while I'm at it, I'm not apologizing
for that because that's what my job entails, Like I
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want to be the most physical, daunting force on the field.
And and and listen when the way Devin White grabbed
him up and yoked him up, it was actually an
athletic play. Yeah, it was actually like in my era
of football, he would have been that. We would have
been like, oh my gosh, what an amazing tackle. Think
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about that. In my era play we would have been like, dang,
bro Like that was a dope tackle. Like did you
see the way he extended to get ahold of him
and the strength, Like think about the strength of your hands,
the strength of your arms, and you being able to
time it out in a way where you could get
ahold of them and pull them to the ground like
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that that would have been celebrated. You gotta understand a
lot of guys, a lot of guys, And and for
the for the record, and I'm sitting here seeing it
on the camera right now again just to reiterate, he
didn't even grab them inside his his jersey. He grabbed
the back of the jersey for one. All right, But
if you think about most guys defensively that are in
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the Hall of Fame, it's based off of the brutality
that they brought to the game. Like, like, let's be clear,
because I hate when people get so hypocritical about Oh
my gosh, what are you talking about. It's safety first,
that's somebody's child data, that's another. Okay, go take a
look at all the defensive players that are in Hall
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of Fame, and and the vast majority of them would
not be able to play in today's National Football League.
We we celebrate Dick Buckets, we sell break Chuck Bannair,
we celebrate Ray Lewis and and Lawrence Taylor. We celebrate
these guys and they are some of the most brutal
dudes in terms of the physicality of the game that
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you would ever see. And we celebrated them and we
enshrined them. And now all of a sudden, it's it's
like it's like taboo when somebody gets hurt off of
the brutality of the game. Somebody catches the ball and
they get blown up and they flip them and they
land on their head, it's like, oh my gosh, they
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should not only suspend him and kick him out of
the game, they should arrest him after the game is over,
like get out of here with that look. And you
make the point when it comes to m m A.
And And one of the things that's so weird about
how they sort of govern what's legal and what's not
legal and m m A is they'll tell you you
can't knee an opponent in the head if he's if
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if if an opponent's on a knee, you can't kick
him in the head or knee him in the head,
but you can punch him. But you can punch Wait
what and then and then the other the other one
within the parameters of the fight, you can kick and
the other one is this where they go, um, you know,
if if there's some people that think this is a
dirty tactic. If you see two guys fighting in in
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UFC and m m A, if if one guy takes
a straight kick towards the front of a guy's knee,
people look at that and go, oh, that's a little
bit dirty. It's because guys have hurt their knee like that.
Because you're basically kicking the front of their knee trying
to I'm trying. So it's at some point, why are
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we picking and choosing what you're allowed to do when
you have an opponent on the ground. You're not allowed
to go twelve six on the elbows, So you can't
go start from twelve o'clock to six o'clock in the elbows,
but you can do it from three to nine, Like
I think, like it does. Like there's some things I
look at at mixed martial arts and I look at
the NFL, and I go, why is this allowed? But
that's not Like at some point you just have to
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understand this is a violent sport, like bad things are
gonna happen. The horse caller, I've just I've never understood
why that is looked at and and vilified the way
that it is when there are other players that happened
during the course of a game which don't get nearly
the attention that. Here's what I'll say, just quickly, I
understand when the league is trying to improve the quality
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of the game, improve the quality of the health of
the players. I'm all for that. I buy it, I
subscribe to it on support it. I just don't have
to be that guy because I'm not. I am not
league administration, I am not on a competition committee. I
was a football player, and the idea of of how
I executed things when I played as a player, like
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I said I had, in fact, I took pride and
being able to dish out physical abuse to the opponents
that I was going against. That was it was a
badge of honor if I whip the hell out of
somebody and they had to tell me at the end
of that game, man, like you are something of another
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like I wanted that. That's what I wanted. The fans
that watched me to play feel like I'm the toughest
fan in the world because LaVar Arrington, who I cheer for,
is the toughest dude in the world. That's what I wanted. So,
I mean, I get I get the rules, I get
all of that. But again, I don't have to be
the one that sits there and says, oh, it's okay
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that you can't do that. You can't do that. All
these things are governing the game now and it makes
it safer even though I can't do things the way
that I once did it when I played the game.
So I get the evolution of it. You know, I'm
sure Deacon Jones and you know, all those guys and
rest his soul, but you know, Male Blunt and all
those guys that were clothes lining people and stuff like that,
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maybe they looked at it the same exact way. I
kind of look at it from the same you know,
in terms of the brutality of the sport. You chose this.
You chose this, like you chose to make this. You're like,
nobody forced you to get into this profession. You chose
this profession. So I mean, I might sound a little
barbaric there, but I think there's something to the fact
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that when you choose a full contact sport, you you
know what you're signing up for, and you've got to
prepare yourself and if something happens, you gotta assume things
are going to happen to you in that type of
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an extravaganza tomorrow. Just I mean, it's been a long
time coming, a lot of be a lot of fun here. Yeah,
the Oh Brothers will reunite with the cup. Yeah, the
Oh Brothers in the Cup. Careful that that I mean
that should be It should should absolutely be pross the brothers. Um,
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now you could have been a no brother too, but
you just can't handle your liquor. So what are you
talking about? Well, just by all accounts given, you can't
handle your Okay, Mr, don't don't bring kooniak near me
because I turned into uh. But I can handle it,
the ice dragon, I can handle it, Yeah, I can.
You just wouldn't like me. Yeah, so I listen that.
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You know I can't. You know I can't handle the
coney or the yak. It's not about being drunk with that.
It's about the way it transforms you. By the way,
do you have any Halloween candy yesterday? You didn't none?
But you know what I had? You have oxtail? I did.
It's really good. I'm gonna have something for breakfast this
morning too. I think there might be a few little
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ones left in there, and you could eat it as
soup like you put it over some rice. You could
eat it for sup. But you know what I might
do is I might make some home front, like some
home potatoes, and put some onions in there and some
peppers in there and put that that stew on top
of it. That might turn out really good. I had
a pumpkin loaf. Have you ever had a pumpkin loaf?
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It's like banana bread, but pumpkin bread. Yes, yeah, but
but with like the the icing on it. Oh jeez,
that that what what's like what they pisting the frosting
that they put on like uh uh, like carrot cakes.
Let's let's go along, let's go live to our I
know what to put on those cakes inside or christ
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perfect for the latest. It's like a cream cheese, cream cheese,
cream cheese wholely smokes bro. I was ready to like
go into bathroom and have a moment with this pumpkin loaf. Man.
I just wanted to be alone. Yeah, I mean I
had like three three slices of it. One one was
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the first one was small because I didn't know if
I like it looked dry, and I was like, why
is this in the house, Like it looks horrible. I
think I'm right there with you. I just went to
Aldi the other day and I got like they had
like a pumpkin brioche, and I just before I realized
that I ate the whole thing with like I tried.
I tried that first little piece. I was like, wait
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a minute, well, I had a sip of my wife's
pumpkin Lotte drink. Every morning. Look, I'm just a straight
cough be black with an espresso shot. That's the way
I do. And uh, I had a I had a
sip of her pumpkin, like I've been missing out. I
swear to god, I thought, damn, now I get it
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like that. Now start bringing you one, because I get
one every morning. I got I got zero. Cat. I'm
just saying, right, we'll go ahead and ruin it. I'm
just saying, with that diva talk, that's that straight diva talk. Amazing.
I thought I thought about all of the trans fat
in there and all of the sugars that we're in there,
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and how bad it would be for my pus. I'm
just I just you know, I'm just saying, man, Now,
that's why you're not an old brother. That that being said,
you never saw a lion with abs, have you? What
do you see lines with bellies? Yeah? You never seen
uh a silver back gorilla with abs? Have you? Well? Maybe,
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but what do they have with them abs? A belly? Yeah, well,
mammals have bellies, bron got that right for them. They also,
I'm just saying, all that slim stuff that slim fits
stuff you got going on. They also they also throw
feces at each other. So everyone yeah, but but you
gotta keep in mind that there's a there's a rhyme
and a reason for them doing that. There you go,
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there's there's no no acceptable excuse for somebody throwing feces.
There is. It should be a defense mechanism, alright. I
mean think about it. If you really wanted to keep
somebody away from you, and and you were in imminent danger,
and that could defeat and diffuse the the approach tords
you, you you wouldn't do it. Like if you had no
other choice, other recourse. If I wanted to keep somebody
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away from me, I'd put on a Bears game. That's
what I would do, baranct because the Chicago Bears, alright
bad football team. Man here is Justin Fields probably played
the best game of his young were yesterday. He played well.
There was some highlights. The touchdown run is one of
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those that if his career amounts to anything, um, they're
gonna look back on that and go, damn, that was
a hell of a play. Rookie season looked good. They
lose to the forty Niners. Defense couldn't get a stop
and so now we find ourselves in this situation where
all of a sudden you got some injuries on defense,
justin fields feels like he's starting to make a make
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a little bit of a turn, maybe becoming the player
they're hoping he becomes. Maybe the offense starts to get
a spark, and now it's the defense that has got problems.
This is this is just not going to go well
this year for Chicago. It's in fact, I'll say this,
Matt Naggie is probably gonna lose his job. There's probably
gonna be massive turn over there at the end of No, No,
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he was because he's on the COVID, but he's on
the he's on the hot seat, which is weird that
he's on the hot seat, but Kyle Shanahan's not. And
Kyle Shanahan, you know, it's got a losing record and
without Jimmy Garoppolo, you don't even want to ask what
his record is. But it's just it feels like they're
in a situation where the timelines just don't add up.
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Like it's almost as if you drafted a quarterback a
year too soon, because if they bring in a new
guy next year, who's who's to say he's going to
be in on on Justin Fields. Who's to say he
wants to run with Justin Fields? Moving forward? Another bullet
to the chamber. Yeah, Like, like we talked about earlier,
I had more coaches than year in the league, years
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in the league. At one point early on in my career,
I had more head coaches than I did years And
can your name? Can you name every head coach that
you had in the NFL? Uh? Do we get some
bar Arrington game show music? Here? A little game show
music for labar Arrington. Let's let's remember trip down memory
lane ahead. I played seven years in the National Football League.
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So keep let's keep counting here, right, North Turner, Terry Robiski,
Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, John Tom, Tom Coughlin,
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Tom Coughlin. How mean I just name you? That was?
What six years in the league did I play? I said,
I played? Yeah? Six? How many seven? I played seven
years in the league. Here we go, North Turner, Terry Robiski,
Marty Sottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, Tom Coughlin. Six And
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people want to say I was a bus I didn't play.
I didn't play up to your standards. F you. Okay,
here's the train came in. Yeah, let me if you
want to know about LaVar's growth as a broadcaster. He's
he's sticking up for Justin Fields, an Ohio state guy.
That is after we just lost is but there, But
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I just I look at it, go man, nice throw
you know on on the touchdown opacity yesterday, it was
a nice throw um. You know that that touchdown run
that he had, that was an impressive run. But then
it's like, you know, the defense falls apart and it
just feels like we're in a situation where it's just
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it doesn't add up, Like like I look at Trevor
Lawrence and I go, they may not be good, but
it feels like they're on the right timeline together because
you know, it's kind of funny because it's like why
they're worse than Chicago, but you I feel better about
their future than I do the Bears. Isn't that crazy
because there's no there's no reason that it should be
warranted to feel any better. Trevor Lawrence is in no
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different predicament than what Justin Fields is, other than we
believe that Trevor Lawrence is a can't miss franchise quarterback.
It's only that's the only difference. It's the only difference
because if you think about it, Trevor Lawrence could end
up in the same exact situation as as justin fields,
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you could end up in in the same exact scenario.
Because in the league, if you don't turn out to
be a player that can transition that team into being
a competitive team, they are going to, like you said,
they are going to move somebody. And if it's going
to be the GM, then eventually it's going to be
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the coach. If it's the coach, it might eventually be
the GM. If it's both of them, then you're replacing
both of them, all right. And then once you replace
both of them, then now I'm not coming into a
scenario where I'm a decision maker on personnel or I
have to coach this personnel and I'm using personnel that
couldn't get it done, that got the last guy fired.
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I'm not doing it unless I'm in a situation where
I lost my job because this team. You think about
Grooden and and and Tony Dungee and that weird little
set up where they switched teams or or you know, however,
that whole switch up and all that. Right. Listen, you
take over a team that has Super Bowl capabilities, super
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Bowl talent, they show their right there, but you can't
get them to that next plateau when you're talking about
crappy teams that doesn't exist, that doesn't exist. We're not
looking at Miami, We're not looking at Jacksonville, we're not
looking at Chicago, we're not looking at New York the Jets.
In fact, we're not looking at the Giants right now
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as being those types of teams. So when you look
at the players that they have on those teams and
those failing situations, every single player on those teams are
going to be victimized by the lack of success of
those teams. Every single player on that team, every single one.
And it's why, uh, Mike Evans, when they made the
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move to bring in Tom Brady, Mike Evans, one of
the things that I remember him saying was, I don't care.
I want to go to the playoffs. He's like, I
want to came back. People like, why would you all
come back? Everybody didn't get the type of money that
they will want to get. Well, if money is what's
most important to you. Then then by all means, do
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what it is that you need to do. But if
you can find a stable situation, then maybe you're earning
capacity is lengthened. If I stay here with this setup
and I make less, but I can make more during
my course of time here, I can get to another
contract because of how well we're playing. I could get
those those playoff checks because we're winning in the playoffs.
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When you look at when you add it up, like Okay,
I go here to Detroit and get a blockbuster deal
in Detroit and you're done playing in the next two years,
you know what I mean. It's also if you're a member,
if you are a member of a super Bowl champion
like that, like that's that opens up opportunities for the
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rest of your life, for the rest of you. There
are people that are introduced as Super Bowl Champion, which
gets you indoors the rest of your life. Like I
remember having a conversation with somebody about, um, they were
close to making an All Star Game, but they didn't
make the All Star Game, and they go, you know
when they throughout the discussion about oh, well, somebody's a
snub or they got snubbed. He's all players take that
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seriously because the difference between your earning potential after your
career is over, when you can say I was a
Super Bowl champion or I was a Pro bowler or
an All Pro or an All Star, as opposed to
not being able to say those things. It's huge, like
life after, like all of that stuff. So to see
those guys like Mike Evans and all of them say, look,
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we've been in dysfunction. We want stability and I'll sacrifice
some of my personal numbers to get that stability. It
makes sense. And you just look at situations around the
league like Chicago and other and you go, God, there's
just no stability there, and you just wonder how it's
going to impact those players that are drafted there to um.
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millions to go and play for the Detroit Lines. Say
you say you could do a an extension for five years,
or do an extension for I don't know, three years
with the team you're currently with, but you just want
a super Bowl. And over the course of that duration
of that time, you made let's just say, on average,
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you made one point five million dollars less over the
next three years each year and in Detroit, Hello, Motown,
You're coming to Motown? Okay? So are you say? Are
you asking would I take less money to go to
Detroit of the sum of one point five says one
point five on an annual basis that you're taking less
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than for the first three years, so I don't get
the big pay day and I have to play for
then no, no, you get the money may day if
you go to Detroit. You're going to Detroit gonna lose.
What do I care? Every two weeks I win the
cash I check Babe. I would never want you as
a teammate, neither with you, Eddie. I would never want
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you guys teammates. All right, man, yeah, I want that
check out my paycheck. And then you'd be like, oh, man,
I understand, I work at radio, I'll play in bait route.
I couldn't care less. You'd pay me? Why not? It's
stand bull like, I don't care, I couldn't care less
(29:58):
pay gravel not listen. I gotta get paid on the
landmine field. Why not? You got to get the chances
at one point five? Well, I mean what it's extra
extra one point that's more, that's more than It's more
than what you'd have in the safe confines of where
you were at in their winning one point five mind,
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I mean what price is my leg work? Yeah? I
mean I'm just saying, is it worth that extra one
point five? I mean would you be okay getting at
one point five if you lost the foot in in
in the midst of it? Well, according to Baker Mayfield,
you might lose a foot if you, you know, stuck
your own foot kick your own foot. According to Baker
mayfie mean very very very puzzling, very puzzling situation there, Cleveland, Okay,
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very bizarre. Uh you know, let's go live to our
I have a thought on this conversation, insider lead to
laugh for the latest lead. He kept selling muddy taste
you right about now? You want to get paid? And
Lee wants to get paid, so you go ahead and
leave that foot in that kneecap up out of their
extra one one lead lines to all the way to uh,
the plof all the way to that land may tell
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you something as a man who went through his own
landmine experience. This weekend, Lee's Yeah, this depends on you know,
the love life of only lot got to be fearless.
I guess to be lead Two Pros and a Cup
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who's the worst I've ever seen at a circle game?
(33:01):
There's nobody worse? Yeah? Did I get you? Yeah? Alright, alright.
I can't be the word cheating. Okay, So you accuse
Brady all the time of him accusing people of cheating
when he doesn't win. Yes, that's what you just did.
How am I cheating? How did I cheat? You can't.
(33:23):
You can't be laying on the floor like you're going
into convulsions and then crack the door open and like
whistle and get me to look over like ches, It's
just why is that the first place where your eyes went? Why?
Why were you Why were you eyes in the circle?
Because you're on the floor second time? The first time
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that when I got you, I was standing up the
great deb Carson walks by, sees LaVar on the floor
and are you okay? It's like yeah, I was like,
I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, I'm just like, are you
are you sure? I'm trying to get somebody in the
circle game? Why? Didn't want to admit that? So I
did not disclose that. I did not disclose that information.
But I did laugh. I mean I did laugh when
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I answered, and I appreciated her concern, Thank you very much.
Just a simple Shenanigans here guy. But you did put
your eyes through the circle, Yeah, I did did. So
I can't be the worst because I'm up on you today.
How many times have you got me? And how many
times did you try? All right? You did try to
that I did not. You did try. You were just
(34:33):
you were just club shooting lead a lap. Let's get
into a little something to do on the show called
this How could you not get to these stories? Are
there scraps? All right? What the hell have we missed
so far? Ley? You guys? The NFL trade deadline is
tomorrow on Tuesday at one excuse me, four o'clock Eastern,
(34:56):
And as trades were heating up between the Texans and
Dolphins for Shaun Watson. The Dolphins wanted to Shaun to
settle all twenty two of his civil lawsuits, and when
the Texans got winded that might be happening, the price
went up. Now the talks have crumbled. I mean, Houston
just doesn't want to lose this whole, this whole conversation.
(35:17):
Somebody is somebody is super bitter. Well, yeah, it's Nick
Kissario because he took the job thinking, all right, you know,
this is my opportunity. I was in New England for
a long time and then he gets there and it's
it's there, the armpit far to the league like it's
just they're they're terrible. It's true, and I made the
armpit far famous. I don't know who. What is Rodney
(35:41):
Dangerfield before he did the triple lending? I mean, and
what was that back to school look at this front yard.
Looks like the tree threw up. I love Rodney no respect. Um. Yeah,
this just feels like Houston were fuses and and Albert
(36:01):
Brier has talked about this on this show. They refuse
to take anything less than what they think is fair
market value for Deshaun Watson. They're not going to cut
their losses. They're just not doing it, and they're going
to lose not cutting their losses. And Bride comes before
the fall. I know what else you guys. Falcon's wide
receiver Calvin Ridley announced on Sunday that he's going to
step away from football at this time to focus on
(36:23):
his mental health, adding these past few weeks have been
very challenging and as much as he'd like to be
on the field competing with his teammates, he will step
away and this will help him be the best version
of himself now and in the future. That's a big topic, man,
And that's like one of those topics where it's hard
to to try to address it into scraps because it
needs a much larger explanation of of conversation. I don't
(36:47):
want to say it's a hard one, man. I'm telling
because you may not know what he's dealing with. Yeah,
that and that's why it's difficult to have that discussion.
And because it does feel like it's popping up more
and more now. Well, because it's people are more willing
to understand it, you're not going to get alienated as
(37:09):
much in terms of if you had you're not considered
soft or crazy or expendable when you say, I need
to take a step back because of this, and in
the long run, it'll be better off for me to
do it this way versus trying to push through it. Yeah,
you know, you guys. The Astros recovered from the Braves
hitting the first inning Grand Slam, but they came back
(37:31):
and beat the Braves. Seeing Game six on Tuesday, Braves
leave three to the game is gonna be at eight
oh nine Eastern time on Oh, let's go in seven games.
I know that it's gonna my Astros, man, my Houston Astros.
You know, you know, you want to know why I
want the Astros to win, because it's just gonna prove
(37:52):
what a fraud Major League Baseball is for for their
old and and everybody vilifying the Astros. Ah, by god,
they cheated. They're the biggest cheaters in the world. Man
like people steal signs and pull crap all the time.
Major League Baseball. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah
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The New Orleans Saints get it done. Uh, they apparently
have Tom Brady's number in the regular season. They are
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now three and oh against the Bucks and Tom Brady
in the regular season the past couple of years. But
there was some damage done as Jamis Winston. According to
Ian Rapp report of the NFL and Network, the fear
is a torn a c L with some MCL damage.
Trevor Simeon was enough to get it done for New
Orleans yesterday. But now the conversation turns to what are
(01:44):
the Saints do a quarterback moving forward? Reportedly they will
not be making a move to bring in Cam Newton.
Who knows. Maybe we've now got a new participant in
the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes as we we wait to see
what's gonna happen with that before the trade deadline. But
on the last no Jamis Winston. So now the conversation
pivots to something else. Was that the horse caller tackle.
(02:08):
Here we go because the horse collar tackle is what
led to the injury. And it has been outlawed by
the NFL for a long time because was it was
it Roy Williams, the Cowboys player, that was his move.
Well that was my move. So he stole from all right,
So yeah, is a is a thief. He stole that from.
(02:30):
But see there's a there's ways of doing the horse caller.
I don't have a problem with horse collar and a
guy I have a problem. See what Roy Williams did,
he evolved his horse collar. I horse collared you. I
pulled you down and I just pulled you straight down
to the ground like quick, I'm gonna track you down.
And that's a lever, Like you have different levers on
(02:53):
the body, different levers on on the shoulder pads, the shoulder,
the chest area of the shoulder pads around the neck
area are grab points like you can leverage it like
like a handle. Um. And and so I made a
living off of routinely grabbing the back of people's paths
(03:14):
to get them down and and and you know what
it is, what it is like there was a part
of the game for me and I don't I don't
have any type of feeling towards it one way or
the other in terms of you know, people said that
it doesn't look safe or that's that shouldn't be a
part of the game, like f that like that was
one of my deals. But I would never roll up
on anybody's legs. Like that's the thing about it. When
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the horse collar evolved into guys grabbing the back of
your your jersey, the back of your pads and then
throwing their bodies, like whipping their bodies onto the that's different.
That's different. But you know, it's it's been nonetheless, and
it's said that Jamis Winston's um in the situation that
(03:58):
he's in based off of a play that you know,
obviously is now something you should not do in the
course of the game. I don't think it should be illegal.
I don't either, Um, I don't. Look, it is a
The sport is violence every step of the way. It
is violence. Um. Look, we talked about earlier. I mean,
(04:20):
you know Boswell, you know on a fake field goal
ended up with a concussion, you know, for for for
Pittsburgh yesterday, Like it is. It is collision after collision
after collision, And I can understand them wanting to make
the game a little bit safer when it comes to
illegal shots to the head. But when you're making a tackle,
I don't think that Devin White is trying to hurt
(04:41):
Jamis Winston. He's trying to bring him down to make
a play. And so it would be one thing, like
because some guys are out there to hurt into maim
and I know that because I was one of them.
I was out there to hurt into Maine. Like if
I hit you hard enough to break your ribs, that
that I got pleasure out of that, Like I'm I'm
(05:02):
I am testing my manhood and my intestinal fortitude and
my preparation and how hard I can lay the wood
and the lumber to you. And and if if you
tap out, like when I knocked Sean Alexander out and
that playoff game and he was on the ground. I
won't go into the graphic details of what I saw
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in the helmet when I was looking at him after
I did it, But that sense of power that you're wielding,
like me, my body, me and who I am. I
brought that force to this man another man, and he
needs they need to come get him. Like that's a rush.
That's a rush, And and Honestly, I'm giving you guys,
(05:46):
like you know of a glance into the mind of
a maniac on the on the football field, just so
you guys are aware of this. But the feeling you
get when you can physically dominate another man and it's legal,
that there's something to be said about it. So the
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idea of it is, it's it's nothing. It's no different
than contact sports. It's no different like, Okay, you're not
gonna eye goug somebody in m m A. There are
rules to certain things you can't do. You can't head
clap of dude in his ears and stuff like that.
Same thing. There's rules that get put into play to
make the to raise the quality of the safety. But
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when you're talking about raising the quality of the safety,
I mean, really think about it, like it's a full
contact sport. Do you understand how violent it is between
lineman every single play, how valid it is between lineman
and linebackers when they engage every single play, And and
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it only matters, It only matters when it's like it
happens to a quarterback or it happens to a receiver.
It only matters when it happens then you know, and
that's think that that's kind of kind of lane. Well,
I just I look at it and I go, all right,
if we all understand that it is a violent sport,
and and this violent sport leads to problems, you can
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only do so much before you just get to the
point to where, hey, bad things are going to happen sometimes. Man,
it doesn't mean that it's intentional. Devin White wasn't intentionally
trying to rip up Jamis Winston's knee. He made a tackle,
it went wrong. Jamis Winston could have gotten folded up
at any point during the game and suffered a knee injury.
The idea that that the horse caller that we're banning that,
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but I would say this. I mean, when you see
alignman have his hand to the face mask under a
face mask of a defensive lineman, and they'll give him,
they'll give him a foul baby, they'll call it every
they don't call it every play, And I just feel like,
what what do we really trying to do when it
comes to the horse call, Like, are we really trying
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to Collared Brett Farve once and jacked his knee up,
and I was pumped up that I sent him out
of the game. So I'm not I'm not apologetic about
being out there executing my my assignments. And if I
execute a person while I'm at it, I'm not apologizing
for that because that's what my job entails, Like I
(08:20):
want to be the most physical, daunting force on the field.
And and and listen when the way Devin White grabbed
him up and yoked him up, it was actually an
athletic play. Yeah, it was actually like in my era
of football, he would have been that. We would have
been like, oh my gosh, what an amazing tackle. Think
(08:41):
about that. In my era play we would have been like, dang,
bro Like that was a dope tackle. Like did you
see the way he extended to get ahold of him
and the strength, Like think about the strength of your hands,
the strength of your arms, and you being able to
time it out in a way where you could get
ahold of them and pull them to the ground like
(09:03):
that that would have been celebrated. You gotta understand a
lot of guys, a lot of guys, And and for
the for the record, and I'm sitting here seeing it
on the camera right now again just to reiterate, he
didn't even grab them inside his his jersey. He grabbed
the back of the jersey for one. All right, But
if you think about most guys defensively that are in
(09:27):
the Hall of Fame, it's based off of the brutality
that they brought to the game. Like, like, let's be clear,
because I hate when people get so hypocritical about Oh
my gosh, what are you talking about. It's safety first,
that's somebody's child data, that's another. Okay, go take a
look at all the defensive players that are in Hall
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of Fame, and and the vast majority of them would
not be able to play in today's National Football League.
We we celebrate Dick Buckets, we sell break Chuck Bannair,
we celebrate Ray Lewis and and Lawrence Taylor. We celebrate
these guys and they are some of the most brutal
dudes in terms of the physicality of the game that
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you would ever see. And we celebrated them and we
enshrined them. And now all of a sudden, it's it's
like it's like taboo when somebody gets hurt off of
the brutality of the game. Somebody catches the ball and
they get blown up and they flip them and they
land on their head, it's like, oh my gosh, they
(10:32):
should not only suspend him and kick him out of
the game, they should arrest him after the game is over,
like get out of here with that look. And you
make the point when it comes to m m A.
And And one of the things that's so weird about
how they sort of govern what's legal and what's not
legal and m m A is they'll tell you you
can't knee an opponent in the head if he's if
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if if an opponent's on a knee, you can't kick
him in the head or knee him in the head,
but you can punch him. But you can punch Wait
what and then and then the other the other one
within the parameters of the fight, you can kick and
the other one is this where they go, um, you know,
if if there's some people that think this is a
dirty tactic. If you see two guys fighting in in
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UFC and m m A, if if one guy takes
a straight kick towards the front of a guy's knee,
people look at that and go, oh, that's a little
bit dirty. It's because guys have hurt their knee like that.
Because you're basically kicking the front of their knee trying
to I'm trying. So it's at some point, why are
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we picking and choosing what you're allowed to do when
you have an opponent on the ground. You're not allowed
to go twelve six on the elbows, So you can't
go start from twelve o'clock to six o'clock in the elbows,
but you can do it from three to nine, Like
I think, like it does. Like there's some things I
look at at mixed martial arts and I look at
the NFL, and I go, why is this allowed? But
that's not Like at some point you just have to
(12:03):
understand this is a violent sport, like bad things are
gonna happen. The horse caller, I've just I've never understood
why that is looked at and and vilified the way
that it is when there are other players that happened
during the course of a game which don't get nearly
the attention that. Here's what I'll say, just quickly, I
understand when the league is trying to improve the quality
(12:27):
of the game, improve the quality of the health of
the players. I'm all for that. I buy it, I
subscribe to it on support it. I just don't have
to be that guy because I'm not. I am not
league administration, I am not on a competition committee. I
was a football player, and the idea of of how
I executed things when I played as a player, like
(12:50):
I said I had, in fact, I took pride and
being able to dish out physical abuse to the opponents
that I was going against. That was it was a
badge of honor if I whip the hell out of
somebody and they had to tell me at the end
of that game, man, like you are something of another
(13:10):
like I wanted that. That's what I wanted. The fans
that watched me to play feel like I'm the toughest
fan in the world because LaVar Arrington, who I cheer for,
is the toughest dude in the world. That's what I wanted. So,
I mean, I get I get the rules, I get
all of that. But again, I don't have to be
the one that sits there and says, oh, it's okay
(13:32):
that you can't do that. You can't do that. All
these things are governing the game now and it makes
it safer even though I can't do things the way
that I once did it when I played the game.
So I get the evolution of it. You know, I'm
sure Deacon Jones and you know, all those guys and
rest his soul, but you know, Male Blunt and all
those guys that were clothes lining people and stuff like that,
(13:53):
maybe they looked at it the same exact way. I
kind of look at it from the same you know,
in terms of the brutality of the sport. You chose this.
You chose this, like you chose to make this. You're like,
nobody forced you to get into this profession. You chose
this profession. So I mean, I might sound a little
barbaric there, but I think there's something to the fact
(14:14):
that when you choose a full contact sport, you you
know what you're signing up for, and you've got to
prepare yourself and if something happens, you gotta assume things
are going to happen to you in that type of
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(15:20):
an extravaganza tomorrow. Just I mean, it's been a long
time coming, a lot of be a lot of fun here. Yeah,
the Oh Brothers will reunite with the cup. Yeah, the
Oh Brothers in the Cup. Careful that that I mean
that should be It should should absolutely be pross the brothers. Um,
(15:43):
now you could have been a no brother too, but
you just can't handle your liquor. So what are you
talking about? Well, just by all accounts given, you can't
handle your Okay, Mr, don't don't bring kooniak near me
because I turned into uh. But I can handle it,
the ice dragon, I can handle it, Yeah, I can.
You just wouldn't like me. Yeah, so I listen that.
(16:05):
You know I can't. You know I can't handle the
coney or the yak. It's not about being drunk with that.
It's about the way it transforms you. By the way,
do you have any Halloween candy yesterday? You didn't none?
But you know what I had? You have oxtail? I did.
It's really good. I'm gonna have something for breakfast this
morning too. I think there might be a few little
(16:27):
ones left in there, and you could eat it as
soup like you put it over some rice. You could
eat it for sup. But you know what I might
do is I might make some home front, like some
home potatoes, and put some onions in there and some
peppers in there and put that that stew on top
of it. That might turn out really good. I had
a pumpkin loaf. Have you ever had a pumpkin loaf?
(16:48):
It's like banana bread, but pumpkin bread. Yes, yeah, but
but with like the the icing on it. Oh jeez,
that that what what's like what they pisting the frosting
that they put on like uh uh, like carrot cakes.
Let's let's go along, let's go live to our I
know what to put on those cakes inside or christ
(17:10):
perfect for the latest. It's like a cream cheese, cream cheese,
cream cheese wholely smokes bro. I was ready to like
go into bathroom and have a moment with this pumpkin loaf. Man.
I just wanted to be alone. Yeah, I mean I
had like three three slices of it. One one was
(17:30):
the first one was small because I didn't know if
I like it looked dry, and I was like, why
is this in the house, Like it looks horrible. I
think I'm right there with you. I just went to
Aldi the other day and I got like they had
like a pumpkin brioche, and I just before I realized
that I ate the whole thing with like I tried.
I tried that first little piece. I was like, wait
(17:50):
a minute, well, I had a sip of my wife's
pumpkin Lotte drink. Every morning. Look, I'm just a straight
cough be black with an espresso shot. That's the way
I do. And uh, I had a I had a
sip of her pumpkin, like I've been missing out. I
swear to god, I thought, damn, now I get it
(18:12):
like that. Now start bringing you one, because I get
one every morning. I got I got zero. Cat. I'm
just saying, right, we'll go ahead and ruin it. I'm
just saying, with that diva talk, that's that straight diva talk. Amazing.
I thought I thought about all of the trans fat
in there and all of the sugars that we're in there,
(18:33):
and how bad it would be for my pus. I'm
just I just you know, I'm just saying, man, Now,
that's why you're not an old brother. That that being said,
you never saw a lion with abs, have you? What
do you see lines with bellies? Yeah? You never seen
uh a silver back gorilla with abs? Have you? Well? Maybe,
(18:55):
but what do they have with them abs? A belly? Yeah, well,
mammals have bellies, bron got that right for them. They also,
I'm just saying, all that slim stuff that slim fits
stuff you got going on. They also they also throw
feces at each other. So everyone yeah, but but you
gotta keep in mind that there's a there's a rhyme
and a reason for them doing that. There you go,
(19:18):
there's there's no no acceptable excuse for somebody throwing feces.
There is. It should be a defense mechanism, alright. I
mean think about it. If you really wanted to keep
somebody away from you, and and you were in imminent danger,
and that could defeat and diffuse the the approach tords
you, you you wouldn't do it. Like if you had no
other choice, other recourse. If I wanted to keep somebody
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away from me, I'd put on a Bears game. That's
what I would do, baranct because the Chicago Bears, alright
bad football team. Man here is Justin Fields probably played
the best game of his young were yesterday. He played well.
There was some highlights. The touchdown run is one of
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those that if his career amounts to anything, um, they're
gonna look back on that and go, damn, that was
a hell of a play. Rookie season looked good. They
lose to the forty Niners. Defense couldn't get a stop
and so now we find ourselves in this situation where
all of a sudden you got some injuries on defense,
justin fields feels like he's starting to make a make
(20:27):
a little bit of a turn, maybe becoming the player
they're hoping he becomes. Maybe the offense starts to get
a spark, and now it's the defense that has got problems.
This is this is just not going to go well
this year for Chicago. It's in fact, I'll say this,
Matt Naggie is probably gonna lose his job. There's probably
gonna be massive turn over there at the end of No, No,
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he was because he's on the COVID, but he's on
the he's on the hot seat, which is weird that
he's on the hot seat, but Kyle Shanahan's not. And
Kyle Shanahan, you know, it's got a losing record and
without Jimmy Garoppolo, you don't even want to ask what
his record is. But it's just it feels like they're
in a situation where the timelines just don't add up.
(21:11):
Like it's almost as if you drafted a quarterback a
year too soon, because if they bring in a new
guy next year, who's who's to say he's going to
be in on on Justin Fields. Who's to say he
wants to run with Justin Fields? Moving forward? Another bullet
to the chamber. Yeah, Like, like we talked about earlier,
I had more coaches than year in the league, years
(21:31):
in the league. At one point early on in my career,
I had more head coaches than I did years And
can your name? Can you name every head coach that
you had in the NFL? Uh? Do we get some
bar Arrington game show music? Here? A little game show
music for labar Arrington. Let's let's remember trip down memory
lane ahead. I played seven years in the National Football League.
(21:55):
So keep let's keep counting here, right, North Turner, Terry Robiski,
Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, John Tom, Tom Coughlin,
(22:15):
Tom Coughlin. How mean I just name you? That was?
What six years in the league did I play? I said,
I played? Yeah? Six? How many seven? I played seven
years in the league. Here we go, North Turner, Terry Robiski,
Marty Sottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs, Tom Coughlin. Six And
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people want to say I was a bus I didn't play.
I didn't play up to your standards. F you. Okay,
here's the train came in. Yeah, let me if you
want to know about LaVar's growth as a broadcaster. He's
he's sticking up for Justin Fields, an Ohio state guy.
That is after we just lost is but there, But
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I just I look at it, go man, nice throw
you know on on the touchdown opacity yesterday, it was
a nice throw um. You know that that touchdown run
that he had, that was an impressive run. But then
it's like, you know, the defense falls apart and it
just feels like we're in a situation where it's just
(23:22):
it doesn't add up, Like like I look at Trevor
Lawrence and I go, they may not be good, but
it feels like they're on the right timeline together because
you know, it's kind of funny because it's like why
they're worse than Chicago, but you I feel better about
their future than I do the Bears. Isn't that crazy
because there's no there's no reason that it should be
warranted to feel any better. Trevor Lawrence is in no
(23:45):
different predicament than what Justin Fields is, other than we
believe that Trevor Lawrence is a can't miss franchise quarterback.
It's only that's the only difference. It's the only difference
because if you think about it, Trevor Lawrence could end
up in the same exact situation as as justin fields,
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you could end up in in the same exact scenario.
Because in the league, if you don't turn out to
be a player that can transition that team into being
a competitive team, they are going to, like you said,
they are going to move somebody. And if it's going
to be the GM, then eventually it's going to be
(24:30):
the coach. If it's the coach, it might eventually be
the GM. If it's both of them, then you're replacing
both of them, all right. And then once you replace
both of them, then now I'm not coming into a
scenario where I'm a decision maker on personnel or I
have to coach this personnel and I'm using personnel that
couldn't get it done, that got the last guy fired.
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I'm not doing it unless I'm in a situation where
I lost my job because this team. You think about
Grooden and and and Tony Dungee and that weird little
set up where they switched teams or or you know, however,
that whole switch up and all that. Right. Listen, you
take over a team that has Super Bowl capabilities, super
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Bowl talent, they show their right there, but you can't
get them to that next plateau when you're talking about
crappy teams that doesn't exist, that doesn't exist. We're not
looking at Miami, We're not looking at Jacksonville, we're not
looking at Chicago, we're not looking at New York the Jets.
In fact, we're not looking at the Giants right now
(25:35):
as being those types of teams. So when you look
at the players that they have on those teams and
those failing situations, every single player on those teams are
going to be victimized by the lack of success of
those teams. Every single player on that team, every single one.
And it's why, uh, Mike Evans, when they made the
(25:57):
move to bring in Tom Brady, Mike Evans, one of
the things that I remember him saying was, I don't care.
I want to go to the playoffs. He's like, I
want to came back. People like, why would you all
come back? Everybody didn't get the type of money that
they will want to get. Well, if money is what's
most important to you. Then then by all means, do
(26:18):
what it is that you need to do. But if
you can find a stable situation, then maybe you're earning
capacity is lengthened. If I stay here with this setup
and I make less, but I can make more during
my course of time here, I can get to another
contract because of how well we're playing. I could get
those those playoff checks because we're winning in the playoffs.
(26:41):
When you look at when you add it up, like Okay,
I go here to Detroit and get a blockbuster deal
in Detroit and you're done playing in the next two years,
you know what I mean. It's also if you're a member,
if you are a member of a super Bowl champion
like that, like that's that opens up opportunities for the
(27:02):
rest of your life, for the rest of you. There
are people that are introduced as Super Bowl Champion, which
gets you indoors the rest of your life. Like I
remember having a conversation with somebody about, um, they were
close to making an All Star Game, but they didn't
make the All Star Game, and they go, you know
when they throughout the discussion about oh, well, somebody's a
snub or they got snubbed. He's all players take that
(27:25):
seriously because the difference between your earning potential after your
career is over, when you can say I was a
Super Bowl champion or I was a Pro bowler or
an All Pro or an All Star, as opposed to
not being able to say those things. It's huge, like
life after, like all of that stuff. So to see
those guys like Mike Evans and all of them say, look,
(27:47):
we've been in dysfunction. We want stability and I'll sacrifice
some of my personal numbers to get that stability. It
makes sense. And you just look at situations around the
league like Chicago and other and you go, God, there's
just no stability there, and you just wonder how it's
going to impact those players that are drafted there to um.
(28:08):
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on November five and six. Would you guys take less
(28:30):
millions to go and play for the Detroit Lines. Say
you say you could do a an extension for five years,
or do an extension for I don't know, three years
with the team you're currently with, but you just want
a super Bowl. And over the course of that duration
of that time, you made let's just say, on average,
(28:54):
you made one point five million dollars less over the
next three years each year and in Detroit, Hello, Motown,
You're coming to Motown? Okay? So are you say? Are
you asking would I take less money to go to
Detroit of the sum of one point five says one
point five on an annual basis that you're taking less
(29:16):
than for the first three years, so I don't get
the big pay day and I have to play for
then no, no, you get the money may day if
you go to Detroit. You're going to Detroit gonna lose.
What do I care? Every two weeks I win the
cash I check Babe. I would never want you as
a teammate, neither with you, Eddie. I would never want
(29:38):
you guys teammates. All right, man, yeah, I want that
check out my paycheck. And then you'd be like, oh, man,
I understand, I work at radio, I'll play in bait route.
I couldn't care less. You'd pay me? Why not? It's
stand bull like, I don't care, I couldn't care less
(29:58):
pay gravel not listen. I gotta get paid on the
landmine field. Why not? You got to get the chances
at one point five? Well, I mean what it's extra
extra one point that's more, that's more than It's more
than what you'd have in the safe confines of where
you were at in their winning one point five mind,
(30:22):
I mean what price is my leg work? Yeah? I
mean I'm just saying, is it worth that extra one
point five? I mean would you be okay getting at
one point five if you lost the foot in in
in the midst of it? Well, according to Baker Mayfield,
you might lose a foot if you, you know, stuck
your own foot kick your own foot. According to Baker
mayfie mean very very very puzzling, very puzzling situation there, Cleveland, Okay,
(30:49):
very bizarre. Uh you know, let's go live to our
I have a thought on this conversation, insider lead to
laugh for the latest lead. He kept selling muddy taste
you right about now? You want to get paid? And
Lee wants to get paid, so you go ahead and
leave that foot in that kneecap up out of their
extra one one lead lines to all the way to uh,
the plof all the way to that land may tell
(31:13):
you something as a man who went through his own
landmine experience. This weekend, Lee's Yeah, this depends on you know,
the love life of only lot got to be fearless.
I guess to be lead Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe here Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington Jonas knocks that.
(31:33):
Coming up next, there's the story in the NFL that
will not go away, and we have a couple of
updates regarding the potential blockbuster trade. We'll have that for
you next here on FSR. Be sure to catch live
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(31:57):
It's me three time Pro Bowl Lavarrington and I couldn't
be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up
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who's the worst I've ever seen at a circle game?
(33:01):
There's nobody worse? Yeah? Did I get you? Yeah? Alright, alright.
I can't be the word cheating. Okay, So you accuse
Brady all the time of him accusing people of cheating
when he doesn't win. Yes, that's what you just did.
How am I cheating? How did I cheat? You can't.
(33:23):
You can't be laying on the floor like you're going
into convulsions and then crack the door open and like
whistle and get me to look over like ches, It's
just why is that the first place where your eyes went? Why?
Why were you Why were you eyes in the circle?
Because you're on the floor second time? The first time
(33:45):
that when I got you, I was standing up the
great deb Carson walks by, sees LaVar on the floor
and are you okay? It's like yeah, I was like,
I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, I'm just like, are you
are you sure? I'm trying to get somebody in the
circle game? Why? Didn't want to admit that? So I
did not disclose that. I did not disclose that information.
But I did laugh. I mean I did laugh when
(34:10):
I answered, and I appreciated her concern, Thank you very much.
Just a simple Shenanigans here guy. But you did put
your eyes through the circle, Yeah, I did did. So
I can't be the worst because I'm up on you today.
How many times have you got me? And how many
times did you try? All right? You did try to
that I did not. You did try. You were just
(34:33):
you were just club shooting lead a lap. Let's get
into a little something to do on the show called
this How could you not get to these stories? Are
there scraps? All right? What the hell have we missed
so far? Ley? You guys? The NFL trade deadline is
tomorrow on Tuesday at one excuse me, four o'clock Eastern,
(34:56):
And as trades were heating up between the Texans and
Dolphins for Shaun Watson. The Dolphins wanted to Shaun to
settle all twenty two of his civil lawsuits, and when
the Texans got winded that might be happening, the price
went up. Now the talks have crumbled. I mean, Houston
just doesn't want to lose this whole, this whole conversation.
(35:17):
Somebody is somebody is super bitter. Well, yeah, it's Nick
Kissario because he took the job thinking, all right, you know,
this is my opportunity. I was in New England for
a long time and then he gets there and it's
it's there, the armpit far to the league like it's
just they're they're terrible. It's true, and I made the
armpit far famous. I don't know who. What is Rodney
(35:41):
Dangerfield before he did the triple lending? I mean, and
what was that back to school look at this front yard.
Looks like the tree threw up. I love Rodney no respect. Um. Yeah,
this just feels like Houston were fuses and and Albert
(36:01):
Brier has talked about this on this show. They refuse
to take anything less than what they think is fair
market value for Deshaun Watson. They're not going to cut
their losses. They're just not doing it, and they're going
to lose not cutting their losses. And Bride comes before
the fall. I know what else you guys. Falcon's wide
receiver Calvin Ridley announced on Sunday that he's going to
step away from football at this time to focus on
(36:23):
his mental health, adding these past few weeks have been
very challenging and as much as he'd like to be
on the field competing with his teammates, he will step
away and this will help him be the best version
of himself now and in the future. That's a big topic, man,
And that's like one of those topics where it's hard
to to try to address it into scraps because it
needs a much larger explanation of of conversation. I don't
(36:47):
want to say it's a hard one, man. I'm telling
because you may not know what he's dealing with. Yeah,
that and that's why it's difficult to have that discussion.
And because it does feel like it's popping up more
and more now. Well, because it's people are more willing
to understand it, you're not going to get alienated as
(37:09):
much in terms of if you had you're not considered
soft or crazy or expendable when you say, I need
to take a step back because of this, and in
the long run, it'll be better off for me to
do it this way versus trying to push through it. Yeah,
you know, you guys. The Astros recovered from the Braves
hitting the first inning Grand Slam, but they came back
(37:31):
and beat the Braves. Seeing Game six on Tuesday, Braves
leave three to the game is gonna be at eight
oh nine Eastern time on Oh, let's go in seven games.
I know that it's gonna my Astros, man, my Houston Astros.
You know, you know, you want to know why I
want the Astros to win, because it's just gonna prove
(37:52):
what a fraud Major League Baseball is for for their
old and and everybody vilifying the Astros. Ah, by god,
they cheated. They're the biggest cheaters in the world. Man
like people steal signs and pull crap all the time.
Major League Baseball. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah
what Jonas said. We're back tomorrow with Brady Question. Fox
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