July 8, 2024 • 38 mins
Brian Noe & Geoff Schwartz discuss the controversy surrounding Rookie of the Year voting in the WNBA, the latest in the drama between the 49ers and Brandon Aiyuk, Steph Curry saying there won't be another dynasty like the Warriors, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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unquote debate on WNBA Rookie.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Of the Year. Oh, now here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
There's some people saying it should be Angel Reese, and
we get it right. She's a double double machine. She
just had her thirteenth in a row. That's a WNBA record,
so points and rebounds. She's doing a great job. But
here's the thing. If you're thinking about weighing in on
this opinion, you might want to check the betting odds first.
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So if you go to BETMGM, let's just use that
book as a reference point. Caitlin Clark her odds to
win WNBA Rookie of the Year year minus four fifty. Yes,
you'd have to risk four hundred and fifty dollars just
to win one hundred dollars. That's how big of a
favorite she is. Angel Reese is plus two seventy five,
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so just a little bit less than three to one odds,
you could essentially triple the money that you risk on
Angel Reese. So that's it's not saying that Angel has
no shot, but it is to say she's a significant
long shot. So yeah, just as a gauge of where
things are and projecting where things could be. As of
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right now, with this thirteen game double double streak of
Angel rees, she's still a significant underdog to winning this award.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You got to keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So the numbers have come down though, Okay, it's getting
a lot closer right than it has in previous previous
iterations of the way. She's a thirteen in row, right,
I think I'm looking this up. She's fourteen double doubles
this season total. Okay, thirteen in a row. Calin Clark
has six, and she's a guard. Kind of matters, right, Yeah,
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it's it's important. I feel like that that Kaylin Clark
is also I just think Kna Clark's is the rookie
of the year because of her teammates who she plays with,
but also she has better numbers in everything but rebounds Now,
turnovers are certainly included in this. But she has more points,
she averages who me averages more points, more assists, more steals,
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more blocks, has has more turnovers. So I'm not really
understanding what the what the argument you know there is
Angerie sets records. Certainly I'm I'm it's great what she
has done. Her field goal percentage is slightly higher. She
takes easier shots than kan Clark does, which I think
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matters in this discussion. But otherwise I don't really understand
what what's your him? If for Reese that the record,
that's the argument.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I guess that's something that I could The.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Turnovers that Kayln Clark has, which I certainly there are
times she makes bad passes other times that the ball
just falls off for teammates hands. I don't I don't
know what to say. I mean, the argument was the
other day that Caylen Clark or Chicago Sky and his
team is they have bore wins, they're they're higher on
the stands. Well, now Calin clarkass So which one is it?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I I think I think Clark is probably gonna win.
I do think she heard all the talk about this
who's better, who's not? And then we had a triple double,
the first in the history of the league's work. A
couple other times had a fifteen nine and twelve, had
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a you know, I had. There's other points this year
where she's eleven, you know, eleven, ten and eight. One
game she's been closed before to get that done. Also too,
I think we're saying both both these ladies, their consistency
of play is both picking up as they get more
comfortable in the league. Yeah, Andreurie's obviously thirteen in a
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row double doubles. Kyl Clark though, has had at least
thirteen points now in ten straight games, a straight games
when she that was sort of up and down for
her to start the season. So yeah, I think that
Clark probably wins this in the end. I think Race
makes it tough because the narrative about her record breaking year,
which she certainly has earned. She's played great. I do
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think Clark gets it in the.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
End, though, Yeah, she probably will.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It reminds me of the NBA MVP race this past season,
where it was largely Jokic and Shake Gilgess Alexander. It
was a two horse race down the stretch, and Shack
was saying he thought that SGA should have won the MVP.
He even said that to Joker while they're interviewing him
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as he was named NBA MVP. Was like, I thought
SGA deserve the award, But it's funny. You can make
that argument whatever. I disagreed, but the betting lines would
tell you SGA was not winning league MVP, especially down
the stretch of the season. It's like Joker was a
massive favorite. He's maybe minus nine hundred. I don't know
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what it was. At the very end, I had a
Jokic bet on winning MVP, so I was watching it,
monitoring it, and Shack started saying, I think it's SGA,
and I'm like, man, I wonder if the betting odds
have changed. It's like, nope, Joker's still like minus one
thousand or whatever to win the MVP. You can make
that argument if you want, but you have to understand
it wasn't gonna go down like that, and sometimes the
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betting odds will tell you what will happen. And as
of right now, it strongly suggests that Caitlin Clark is
gonna be Rookie of the Year when it's all said
and done in the NBA. In the WNBA, So it's
just something to gauge. Listen, there are big upsets all
the time, Jeff. We see this in a single and
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a game, or a single NFL game. There's a massive underdog,
and that underdog will win the game.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Outright, it can happen. But I think it's just a good.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Gauge of where things are and when they where they
project to be. Where Angel Reese on this hot streak,
she's still a massive underdog. So it begs the question,
what is she gonna have to do to overtake Caitlin.
She's gonna have to do something extraordinary to do that,
and the odds of that happening are not great.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No, it's not. And I think at some point, at
some point, I'm hoping to jump in here with with
some sort of wager to make it. You know, I
don't know what. I don't know what it's gonna be when
it's gonna be, because I feel like to your point,
like the number is, the overreaction from the public is
going to make this number. I think con to you
to drop down. I'm gonna try to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, there you go, Yeah, right, man, At.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Some point the number makes sense to take. I don't
know what it's gonna be, when it's gonna be, but
I do think Clark wins the award and we'll get
a better price at at some point because.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, he might be right about that. It's funny
to be too where I just speaked at the Rookie
of the Year odds. So think about this. We talked
about Caitlin Clark. We'll use bet MGM. Caitlin Clark is
minus four fifty to win WNBA Rookie of the Year.
You have to wager four hundred fifty bucks to win
one hundred yea. Bronnie James for NBA Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He'll tell me it's.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Odds plus twenty five thousand, So if you just risk
one hundred bucks, you'd win twenty five thousands.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's a big of a lunch show.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, who is the favorite right now? For that?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's Alexander sar Is the favorite, followed by Zach Edie
is the second Connects number, Dalton connect Is. He's fourth
in line. He's plus nine hundred, He's nine to one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's why that's why I wager on you'd.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Go Dalton connect And there actually Yeah, he's gonna play
a lot of minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He's on the Lakers. Yeah, like that feels like a wager.
I'm surely probably I might make right now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Okay, there you go, nice go with all the Dalton
connect there there are. On BETMGM site, there are twenty
six players listed with better odds to win Rookie of
the Year in the NBA than Bronnie James. It's just
funny to me where Caitlin Clark is this massive favorite
to win, you know, WNBA Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The ratings are off the charts.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Kaitlyn Clark's games average over a million viewers, all other
games under five hundred thousand viewers. And it's like, still
the player's bristle at her getting this amount of attention
and love. And meanwhile Bronnie James, who's he's not even
in the vicinity of winning the award, and he gets
coveraged non stop and no one is like, why are
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we doing this? I just think it's so funny how
WNBA players have hated on Caitlin and no NBA player
is hating on Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Which is good.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I just wish the WNBA players would take a hint
from the NBA guys and not be so petty when
it comes to Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think the pettiness is going away as Clark is
proving her her sort of worth in the league, if
you want to put it, you know, that's the way
you want to put it. I think we're seeing it
slowly dissipates. But she's certainly had to do more than
other players have had to get the adelation that she
deserves for her play than other rookies and other leagues
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have to do to get the you know, the respect
of their veterans. You know, you would think that the
money and the TV ratings and the amount of people
in the stands would sway the veterans earlier to her
impact of the league. But they just again veteran players,
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They think to themselves, Brian, I I've been playing this league.
I have a story to tell. I deserve to have
my story told. Why is a rookie who hasn't been
in my league, who hasn't performed on this level? Why
is she getting the attention? And I'm not getting it right?
And I do think that I think it's I think
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it was certainly fair for players to question how quickly
her adjustment would be to the the WNBA, like the way,
like what what Tarazi said early on, I think it
was fair. Her tone was more of sort of mocking,
you know, sort of like a little bit of a
hater tone than it was just kind of plainly stating, yeah,
(10:36):
you know, she might struggle early on, so that's why
she got grief for what she said. But I think
it was certainly fair to question that. Again, I go
back to her Her stature is she's not like a
big physical player, right, and I understand that the idea
of like, okay, if she's more finesse early in her career,
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that it's going to be tough early on to make
that transition. I think it was early on, but now
she's played better and more consistent. I do think that
the veterans should give her her due. I mean, she
has played well enough to earn the respect. We've seen
some veterans on you know, we saw Tross after they played,
we saw some of the aceist players we've seen some
of them start to sort of give her the duw
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she deserves because everyone seems to be giving angel Rees
the credit she deserves for the way she's playing. She's
played fantastic. Give it to Kemla Clark too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I just think this too when the w when the
NBA season rolls around, because this could be the same dynamic.
There have been a lot of NBA veterans that might
not have gotten half the attention that Bronnie James is getting.
Like how many NBA players do you think are gonna
hate on Bronnie? And it's the same sort of thing
of Hey, I just want people to know that they're
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watching the league for more than just one player, you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's what Angel Rees said about Caitlin Clark, you know
where it's like, give me my attention to how many
NBA players do you think they're gonna play that card?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Nobody's gonna play that card.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, It's like, why do the NB the w NBA
players have to be so petty like that. The NBA
guys are not gonna be like that with Bronnie, and
they easily couldn't be.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They're just not.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Going to Bronnie won't get as much attention. He won't
be playing every night though. No one's going in the
ring I see Bronnie James play.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
No, It's true, like Yeah, the coverage is gonna slow
down when he's playing G League games.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I bet this man, I think that, dude, he's
not playing the G League.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
He has he has a guaranteed roster spot.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, that's true, and he'll still play. He'll get he'll
have some some G League games. He'll get some run there.
You know, He's not just gonna rot on the bench
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I think that I think that you could still
see it where let's just say Bronnie's playing some G
League games, that's still gonna be on Sports Center, you
know what I mean, Like, that's still you're gonna see
the highlights. You can still have veterans be like, what
the hell, man, I just dropped twenty twenty six points.
No one cares. But we're we're talking about Bronni scoring
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like ten in a G League game.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
What are we doing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No one's gonna say that though, because they're not threatened
the same.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Way, correct, and and the payiness is not quite there.
I think. Look, the w n b A is sort
of learning all this on the fly, right, I mean,
they went from getting some attention. Look, the women's all
women's sports have been getting more attention as they should, right.
They they've been featured more often, and we're seeing ratings
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through softball, basketball, track and field, volleyball. Right, We're seeing
this renaissance now where everyone you know is paying more
attention to women's sports. It's accelerated so fast in the
w n B A because it came to the Clark like,
we're seeing debates and arguments about things that we've done
in male sports for so many years. Now. I think
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that people that cover the w NBA are struggling to
sort of figure out how to cover the league just
argue about stuff like like like men's sports, just that simple.
But no, but the attention to what they're saying is magnified. Right,
an analyst saying, I'm voting for Rookie of the Year
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because of record. If you said that three years ago
about WM no one's paying attention to that. Yeah, but
now the scrutiny is is to you know, I think
everyone's figuring out how to cover the sport because it
hasn't been an issue in previous years.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, it's changed a lot, and they are blending ketchup
a little bit. But it listen, drama sells and that's
like the drama of man, what happened in college with
Angel Reese pointing to her ring finger in Caitlin's face,
and now these two being legit rookies putting up numbers,
being All Stars. This is the perfect formula for the
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w NBA. It just fell into their lap. They have
two golden gooses right here. They got golden geese in
Caitlin and Angel Reese. And man, they're reaping all the rewards.
They've been god sense for that league. There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Absolutely. And in the end, the point I continue to
make all the time is that attention in this in
the way that they're getting it now is great. I
know people might disagree and don't like the discourse about
some of the things we've had to discuss when it
comes to this league, but dude, all his attention is great.
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It's great for the league. You might not like it.
You might not like some of the races components that have
been brought into discussion. You might disagree with some of it,
you might think it's not part of it, But that's
the attention for the sport. It's fantastic. This is great.
It's going to grow the sport. It's going to make
more people interested in it. It's going to propel it forward.
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There's a new collective bargaining agreement that for discussion soon.
Like this is all all good for WNBA.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It is super fast. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The votes for the All Stars came in so last
year Asia Wilson, she led with just over ninety five
thousand votes. The top voter this year was Caitlin Clark
with over seven hundred thousand votes, and it went down
from there, Like Asia Wilson was up to over six
hundred thousand votes this year. Like a lot of that
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is the interest of the Caitlin Clark effect, or.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's just it's raised the league.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, I do wonder if being around her for the
All Star weekend will change veterans opinions about her. Yeah.
Maybe the thing about Clark too that I think has
been I've enjoyed is she has never stirred the pot. No,
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Like they ask her for opinions on things and she
just refuses to comment on Yeah, even after the triple double,
she seems like she seems uninterested in making about herself. Now,
maybe she's overtly aware of of everything she says. We'll
be parsed out. But even in that moment where they're like, hey,
talk about your trouble double, she would not talk about herself,
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and she talked about her teammates and and the win
which they beat the Liberty. I did like, and this
is again, this is good for the sport. Sabrinan Esq
on the Liberty, who had a great game herself and
that in that contest, said like, yeah, this is their
super Bowl beating us. I love it. This is we
get in men's sports, right this, I love the w
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n b A is getting the attention, and we're getting
the quotes. We're getting things that we see in the
NBA and then in the NFL and majorly well Majoray baseball.
No one pays in football, football and basketball. We're getting
this the pettiness, the quotes, like the the the ill.
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Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay, so we've.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Got the latest in the Brandon Aiyuk saga. Over here,
Jeff forty nine Ers wide receiver, he's trying to get
a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So what did he do and follow them Instagram?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's not that's not what he did. I'm he might
have checked that box earlier. I'm not sure what you
do now he's gone to TikTok.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh. That that's that's when you do. Car negotiations makes.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
A new thing. It's a new thing. You go to
TikTok right now? So what do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He posted a picture of the Commander's practice film. Okay,
it's kind of like a twenty two view where you
can see all players from like behind the quarterback, featuring
of course, quarterback Jaden Daniels, his college teammate at Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So it's like, oh, the NFL world is buzzing. Could
he be?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
A member the Commanders over here with Ayuk? And this
whole thing is just annoying. The question is how do
you see this ending? Do you see the Niners giving
him enough money where he stays in San Francisco?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So the Niners have injury decision to make here, right,
So this is the players they've pacially paid on their roster, right,
Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel. They paid Jawan Jennings
their third wide receiver already, right, and look go decent
him out for third third white out. On defense, they
(20:34):
have fairly certain Fred Warner's already got an extension, but
if he's not, if not, he's due another one. Bossa
has been paid. They paid Ward in the second day. Right,
players up for new deals at some point, right, who
funk is going to be up for a deal at
some point? Remember how important he was to their team
last year? Is their defense got far worse when he
wasn't in the lineup. They drafted a wide receiver in
(20:56):
the first round this year in pearsall they're they're sort
of telling you by not paying brand i as right
now that like we we don't have the money to
do this. Brock Party is going to be up for
an extension after the season. You have to pay him
(21:16):
fifty five million dollars a year, which is I think
it makes your head hurt, but that's the going right
for quarterbacks right now. They just can't pay everybody, and
it feels like they're looking at brand and I you
can say, hey buddy, look man, we like you, we
don't love yet. Thirty million dollars a season. Yeah, we
can't pay everybody. It's the problem every team has when
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they end up in a situation where you have a
very talented roster, and what the Niners have, you try
to keep it together to win super Bowls. They have
the benefit right now of a cheap quarterback. That benefit
goes away in a year or two. And if you're
paying brock Party all that money, which he's gonna get
because he's just gonna get it. It's what the league
does to quarterbacks. And he went to having sakes last year.
(22:01):
He's gonna be He's gonna be paid, right. You can't
pay premiums other positions. Last year was the first year
we got a quarterback make more than twelve percent of
the sider cap to win a Super Bowl. People might
argue with that with with sort of what that means,
but those are the facts, okay. And the Chiefs have
a lot of young talent on their team. The Niners
(22:23):
at this point kind of don't right. They have a
lot of high priced players that are elite at their
positions and not a lot of depth on the roster,
and they can't pay brend Ayke thirty million a year,
pay Debot, Patron Williams, I forgot Kittle, pay McCaffrey, pay
guys on defense. And then also, hey man, we're gonna
(22:44):
get brock Party a contract as well. There's not enough
money to go around, and it feels like they're drawing
the line in the sand with with the AU deal.
Hey man, Jefferson got thirty five a year. That deal
is not really what the wide receiver market has been
or is, and we're not paying you that much money.
And that's what feels like it's happening right now. Is
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someone going to give them a couple of second round
picks maybe for Brandon, are you possibly? And they'll get
rid of them. But I just don't think they're gonna
pay them. I don't think that that's what they feel
like they need to do for their team.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right, And look, I get it from Ayuk's standpoint, because
he's not thinking of any of that, right, He's like,
of course, yeah, I'm putting up numbers, this is my worth,
paying me my money.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
He's not thinking about.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Cap scenarios or this, or he's like, I've heard this yeah,
I get that totally. But to your point, and from
the San Francisco forty nine ers standpoint, that's exactly what
you have to be thinking of.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
This is a good problem to have.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You'd rather have the problem of there's not enough money
to go around to pay all these players, because you
have really good players. But it still is a problem.
It's better than not having enough good players. But you
still have an issue going on here, So how do
you go about it? They might move them now or else.
They're going to get them at as like team friendly
(24:08):
of a deal as possible. They're looking and saying, we
can't give you justin Jefferson money. We can't give you
even like slightly less than that with everybody else that
we have to pay.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
So now they're in this position.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
If they move Aiyuk, now you're really depending on Deebo
Samuel even more.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Who's had injury issues.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And so the other route is you pay Brandon Aiyuk
as little as possible. You're gonna pay them a lot,
but as little as possible, and then you do your
cap gymnastics with moving other guys after this year, and
you say, hey, this is our all in year, and
then maybe you try to move debo or do whatever
you have to do to get under the cap. But
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that's the scenario they're in right now, and with a
Yuk going to TikTok and doing all this other stuff,
the niners have to look at this like, bro, this
doesn't change anything. Like this still is the situation where
looking at John.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Lynch is not being like, well, we want to TikTok, folks,
let's pay him. But look from from a player's point
of view, Brian, that you don't have much leverage. You
really don't, right because you know, if you don't go
to training camp, you're getting fined, and you don't want
to get fined. You have you You just don't have
a lot of leverage here, and so I understand the
(25:23):
urge to want to just speak up on it, right,
speak up on it and just try to basically add
a little bit of flavor to the negotiations, right like
you know, and you can only do that if you're
a player. By holding out again you get fined for that,
(25:43):
or just go to social media and just trying to
stir up the pall a little bit, right, It never
really works. But I understand the the want for the
player to get on social media and try to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, that's the only leverage you really have. Yeah, that's
pretty crazy to think you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't have another leverage.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Jamal Adams, the safety, when he was with the Jets,
he did this whole social media thing, but he was
talking trash about Woody Johnson, the team owner. At one
point it was like, Okay, he's pretty much forcing his
way out and landed in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But that's pretty much it. You've got.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
All right, I can unfollow them in IG, I can
scrub all references of the team I play for now.
You can go to TikTok. It's a new door. It's
a new avenue opened by Brandon Nyuk. Or you could
talk trash about the team owner Jamal Adams did.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's about it. It's holding out in social media. That's
what you got. That's not great if you're the player
trying to get a new deal man.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But that's it's just it's just it's just a much
you know, the NFL is just so different from other
leagues where the players just don't have a lot of
say you know, like yeah in no I say, but
just a lot of a lot of leverage publicly, and
so you turn it doesn't help. I mean unfollowing your
team on Instagram. That doesn't mean like oh, the owner
(27:10):
calls and like hey guys, let's get this done. Hen
followed them?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Now, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
It's funny though, if you compare it to it's similar
to the chief situation where they didn't pay Tyreek Hill.
They had a decision to make. They moved Tyreek Yeah. Uh,
they had a decision to make. They didn't pay Lugerious
need you can't pay everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He's now with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And so with the Niners, you're like, Okay, is brock
Purty a difference maker? Where if we skimp and we
move Brandon Ayuk, is he still doing mahomes ish things
production wise?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's that's the conversation you're having with yourself right now.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But this is what we're going to find out, right Look,
I thought the Chiefs getting rid of Tyreek Hill would
have triggered other teams to feel the same way about
their wide receivers. And it hasn't. It hasn't, right, And
it's because Mahomes is just a difference maker, right, Like
you can do that if you're Mahomes, if you would
(28:11):
you're the Chiefs and you have Mahomes. You can't do
that on other teams, Like you can't be the Vikings
and be like, yeah, we don't need Jefferson because you
have j. J. McCarthy or Sam Darnold. You can't do
that with Mahomes. You can. And also because the Chiefs
have a lot of they had and they still have
young talent on defense, cheap young talent that you could say,
(28:33):
hey man, we'll lie a little bit on our defense
this year more than we have in the past. Other
things don't have the benefit of doing that. The Niners, though,
do because they have a very talented team around Rock Party.
But I think your point about party is the thing
I come back to here, is right. And so Patrick
Mahomes makes the entire team that much better, right, elevates
(28:57):
everyone around him. Doest do that for the Niners or
does the offense to that for the Niners?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I think the offense does it more for Purdy than
he does for the offense.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
And that's why I think is the difficult part about this.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
It's like you're gonna not pay Brandon Eye, Let's just
go with that right, not pay him, have pearsall have
Juwan Jennings, have Deebo Samuel and then pay McCaffrey all
this money. Not McCaffrey pay party. Oh boy, I don't
know that's enough around it right, Because Kittle's getting a
(29:29):
little older, Trey Williams is not playing forever. The rest
of the offensive line, there's some question marks. Man. That
feels like a really really tough to roll with a
team like that and expect the office to be the same.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yet you got one last year with a great supporting
cast around party. But to your point, when you're paying
him fifty five million a year, you got a skimp.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And then then where are you? You're not in as
good of a positions. It's a huge year for the Niners.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
So real fast here, Jeff Stephen Curry, he mentioned something
about he thinks that there won't be another dynasty in
the NBA quite like the one the Warriors had, and
he was talking to ESPN's Malik Andrews and said that
dynasties can look much different from one another. He made
that point clear, but he was talking specifically about Hey,
(30:31):
their core with himself, Draymond Green, Clay Thompson. It was
about eleven years of championship relevancy built around a certain core,
and he said, I don't think it can't. It will
be replicated, just because it's very hard to keep things
together in this league a lot more player movement. I
initially heard this and I'm like, oh, there could certainly
(30:53):
be another dynasty in the league. But what he's talking
about of keeping the core together for over a decade
with his much player movement, he might be right. There
might not be another dynasty that looks like the Warriors did.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The Warriors did. What dynasties need. They have to hit
on their draft picks. Yeah, they got a transformational talent
in Steph Curry to pair with Klay Thompson and and
Draymond Green. You you, you you have to have those
(31:30):
core pieces together. If you don't, it's hard to have
a dynasty. You're not going to find many dynasties in
sports that are built through free agency, right. You have
to have core pieces that are that are young core
pieces that play together. You just don't have that in
(31:50):
the NBA very often. So I think his point is
certainly valid where like, look, you have to it's gonna
take multiple years. Look look what Boston's doing. They No,
they're not a dynasty yet, Brian, but their base of
it is draft picks is Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum yep.
And if they don't again, they can build this out
because of that. So if you look around the NBA,
(32:13):
who else right now is in sort of in that
I can say, okay, so you can make a case
right with Shay and maybe you know chat but he.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wasn't drafted there, right, He came from some from the
the Clipper there. No, he was in the Paul George deal.
Came from the Clippers. That's how they gotten.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But you never played with the Clippers though.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
No, he did, Oh yeah a couple of years. Oh yeah,
or SG did?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Oh s J, you're a SJ?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Did?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You're right? I thought, chet, yes, SG did? Uh yeah.
It's a bad example. Okay, so what's what's then example
of a team?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like is it like before Jah went, you know, off
the rails, it'd be like a joh Jaron Jackson junior
type of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Did Jamal Murray pay anywhere besides before? No, just a
j Murray thing right could be. Yeah, it's just I
think it's just difficult to to to to basically create
a championship a dynasty in fregency. So you cutly have
them still, Brian, but they have to be done the
way that mosts get done. Well, you draft players and
(33:16):
you develop them together and then boom they end up happening.
But they have to be special talents like we've seen
over the years. You know, the Lakers I think are
rarity where you bring in Shack and Paul Gasol. The
matter with Kobe, it doesn't happen very often. It often
does take guys drafted together to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, I hear you, And this whole thing, we won't
bore you with the second aprom Oh jeez.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Who wants this?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
An NBA who asked for this? An NBA was excited
that they're limiting the ability for teams to build good rosters.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, but that's going to affect things for sure going forward,
and so you might not see as much player movement
as you have before. But again, it goes back to
how how often can teams hit on draft picks like
Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymondgreen and they were that good
for that look that is so hard to do and
(34:09):
then keep the band together after hitting on all those
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And Steph might be right. You might be. You might
have a dynasty again. You probably will in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's been the nature of the sport, but I think
it's probably gonna look a lot different than the Warriors
dynasty looked. We got to get to around the corner.
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian no in for two pros
and a cup of Joe. We'll close it down with Jeff.
There is a horrendous bet that was just made, and
then we also have some funny audio before we get
out of here. So bad bet and funny audio that's
(34:41):
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Speaker 4 (34:46):
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Speaker 1 (34:58):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's Jeff Schwartz a Brian
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live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. So this is
a bet, Jeff. This was not on our guy Bill
Krackenberger's betting sheet for a good reason. There is a
(35:18):
better who has wagered two hundred and fifty dollars on
NFL MVP odds this season. So we took a long shot,
took a guy that's three hundred to one to be
named league MVB. This better is going with Sam Darnold,
the Vikings quarterback who I don't know might start weeks
(35:40):
one and two.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Maybe it's maybe Boddy.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I I don't know what to be it. Lego sports
wager has been great, Brian. Okay. The one thing that
has brought about that we openly talk about now and
we do this on our show, we do this with
our friend who do this on social media is the
(36:07):
idea of value on a wager, right, And value is subjective, right,
It's whatever you think value is on a wager. But
the way people view value, which I think at least
publicly we see what you know what, what it turned
into a discussion is that they think value is finding
the longest shot you can and putting a couple of
dollars on it. Okay, because to your point, how much
(36:31):
is it's? What was the three three hundred to one,
so two point fifty that's going to pay someone seventy
five thousand dollars? Okay, yep, okay. That there's no value
in a wager that's not going to hit, that's right. Okay.
So like I told you, we we talked about this.
I made a bunch of I just took all the
(36:52):
wagers that Crack sent me today and I bet on them. Okay.
Some are minus one thirty five, some are plus one
oh five. What's a better taking a wager that you
think is gonna win it minus one thirty five and
laying one hundred and thirty five dollars to win one hundred, okay,
or betting two fifty or let's say one hundred dollars
to win, you know, to win three thousand. But that
(37:15):
wager's not going to hit at all. Yeah, and my
wager has a chance of actually making your money, right,
the values of the minus one thirty five wager, I know,
I I the Yeah, long shots are great, man, they
hit every now and then We get the tweet from
fan duel. Oh my god, someone did. But those are
so so rare they are winning a wager. Is the
(37:36):
value right?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, that's the thing is your long shot bet at
least has to have a chance of hitting.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yes, if you say this has no chance, don't make
that bet. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
What Hey, the it should be, uh, you know, two
fifty to one and I'm getting him at three hundred
to one. I don't care you're going to lose. I
just I don't get that. You at least have to
have a shot of winning.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
By the way, this happened in your backyard. Jeff so
Davis Burton's who was with the Charlotte Hornets. He got
cut while playing for Team Latvia, and so he was
asked about This is what he had to say. With
two or three minutes in the game, it was announced
that you were got by the Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What is your initial reaction that you're not gonna play
there anymore? All, like I say, is I really don't care.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
My main focuses are right here with the jersey on.
So you know, in a way, I'm really happy that
this right now is the only jersey that I wear.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Great answer by Davis Burton's I really don't care about that.
It's all team Latvia right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I feel like sometimes people are happy to leave the hornets, so.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
All right, enjoy the soccer on Wednesday, Jeff, We'll catch
you soon.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
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(00:22):
unquote debate on WNBA Rookie.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Of the Year. Oh, now here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
There's some people saying it should be Angel Reese, and
we get it right. She's a double double machine. She
just had her thirteenth in a row. That's a WNBA record,
so points and rebounds. She's doing a great job. But
here's the thing. If you're thinking about weighing in on
this opinion, you might want to check the betting odds first.
(00:52):
So if you go to BETMGM, let's just use that
book as a reference point. Caitlin Clark her odds to
win WNBA Rookie of the Year year minus four fifty. Yes,
you'd have to risk four hundred and fifty dollars just
to win one hundred dollars. That's how big of a
favorite she is. Angel Reese is plus two seventy five,
(01:12):
so just a little bit less than three to one odds,
you could essentially triple the money that you risk on
Angel Reese. So that's it's not saying that Angel has
no shot, but it is to say she's a significant
long shot. So yeah, just as a gauge of where
things are and projecting where things could be. As of
(01:34):
right now, with this thirteen game double double streak of
Angel rees, she's still a significant underdog to winning this award.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You got to keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So the numbers have come down though, Okay, it's getting
a lot closer right than it has in previous previous
iterations of the way. She's a thirteen in row, right,
I think I'm looking this up. She's fourteen double doubles
this season total. Okay, thirteen in a row. Calin Clark
has six, and she's a guard. Kind of matters, right, Yeah,
(02:09):
it's it's important. I feel like that that Kaylin Clark
is also I just think Kna Clark's is the rookie
of the year because of her teammates who she plays with,
but also she has better numbers in everything but rebounds Now,
turnovers are certainly included in this. But she has more points,
she averages who me averages more points, more assists, more steals,
(02:31):
more blocks, has has more turnovers. So I'm not really
understanding what the what the argument you know there is
Angerie sets records. Certainly I'm I'm it's great what she
has done. Her field goal percentage is slightly higher. She
takes easier shots than kan Clark does, which I think
(02:53):
matters in this discussion. But otherwise I don't really understand
what what's your him? If for Reese that the record,
that's the argument.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I guess that's something that I could The.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Turnovers that Kayln Clark has, which I certainly there are
times she makes bad passes other times that the ball
just falls off for teammates hands. I don't I don't
know what to say. I mean, the argument was the
other day that Caylen Clark or Chicago Sky and his
team is they have bore wins, they're they're higher on
the stands. Well, now Calin clarkass So which one is it?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I I think I think Clark is probably gonna win.
I do think she heard all the talk about this
who's better, who's not? And then we had a triple double,
the first in the history of the league's work. A
couple other times had a fifteen nine and twelve, had
(03:49):
a you know, I had. There's other points this year
where she's eleven, you know, eleven, ten and eight. One
game she's been closed before to get that done. Also too,
I think we're saying both both these ladies, their consistency
of play is both picking up as they get more
comfortable in the league. Yeah, Andreurie's obviously thirteen in a
(04:10):
row double doubles. Kyl Clark though, has had at least
thirteen points now in ten straight games, a straight games
when she that was sort of up and down for
her to start the season. So yeah, I think that
Clark probably wins this in the end. I think Race
makes it tough because the narrative about her record breaking year,
which she certainly has earned. She's played great. I do
(04:31):
think Clark gets it in the.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
End, though, Yeah, she probably will.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
It reminds me of the NBA MVP race this past season,
where it was largely Jokic and Shake Gilgess Alexander. It
was a two horse race down the stretch, and Shack
was saying he thought that SGA should have won the MVP.
He even said that to Joker while they're interviewing him
(04:56):
as he was named NBA MVP. Was like, I thought
SGA deserve the award, But it's funny. You can make
that argument whatever. I disagreed, but the betting lines would
tell you SGA was not winning league MVP, especially down
the stretch of the season. It's like Joker was a
massive favorite. He's maybe minus nine hundred. I don't know
(05:17):
what it was. At the very end, I had a
Jokic bet on winning MVP, so I was watching it,
monitoring it, and Shack started saying, I think it's SGA,
and I'm like, man, I wonder if the betting odds
have changed. It's like, nope, Joker's still like minus one
thousand or whatever to win the MVP. You can make
that argument if you want, but you have to understand
it wasn't gonna go down like that, and sometimes the
(05:39):
betting odds will tell you what will happen. And as
of right now, it strongly suggests that Caitlin Clark is
gonna be Rookie of the Year when it's all said
and done in the NBA. In the WNBA, So it's
just something to gauge. Listen, there are big upsets all
the time, Jeff. We see this in a single and
(06:00):
a game, or a single NFL game. There's a massive underdog,
and that underdog will win the game.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Outright, it can happen. But I think it's just a good.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Gauge of where things are and when they where they
project to be. Where Angel Reese on this hot streak,
she's still a massive underdog. So it begs the question,
what is she gonna have to do to overtake Caitlin.
She's gonna have to do something extraordinary to do that,
and the odds of that happening are not great.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
No, it's not. And I think at some point, at
some point, I'm hoping to jump in here with with
some sort of wager to make it. You know, I
don't know what. I don't know what it's gonna be when
it's gonna be, because I feel like to your point,
like the number is, the overreaction from the public is
going to make this number. I think con to you
to drop down. I'm gonna try to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, there you go, Yeah, right, man, At.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Some point the number makes sense to take. I don't
know what it's gonna be, when it's gonna be, but
I do think Clark wins the award and we'll get
a better price at at some point because.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, he might be right about that. It's funny
to be too where I just speaked at the Rookie
of the Year odds. So think about this. We talked
about Caitlin Clark. We'll use bet MGM. Caitlin Clark is
minus four fifty to win WNBA Rookie of the Year.
You have to wager four hundred fifty bucks to win
one hundred yea. Bronnie James for NBA Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
He'll tell me it's.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Odds plus twenty five thousand, So if you just risk
one hundred bucks, you'd win twenty five thousands.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's a big of a lunch show.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Yeah, who is the favorite right now? For that?
Speaker 1 (07:37):
It's Alexander sar Is the favorite, followed by Zach Edie
is the second Connects number, Dalton connect Is. He's fourth
in line. He's plus nine hundred, He's nine to one.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
That's why that's why I wager on you'd.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Go Dalton connect And there actually Yeah, he's gonna play
a lot of minutes.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
He's on the Lakers. Yeah, like that feels like a wager.
I'm surely probably I might make right now.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Okay, there you go, nice go with all the Dalton
connect there there are. On BETMGM site, there are twenty
six players listed with better odds to win Rookie of
the Year in the NBA than Bronnie James. It's just
funny to me where Caitlin Clark is this massive favorite
to win, you know, WNBA Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
The ratings are off the charts.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Kaitlyn Clark's games average over a million viewers, all other
games under five hundred thousand viewers. And it's like, still
the player's bristle at her getting this amount of attention
and love. And meanwhile Bronnie James, who's he's not even
in the vicinity of winning the award, and he gets
coveraged non stop and no one is like, why are
(08:49):
we doing this? I just think it's so funny how
WNBA players have hated on Caitlin and no NBA player
is hating on Bronnie.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Which is good.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
I just wish the WNBA players would take a hint
from the NBA guys and not be so petty when
it comes to Caitlin.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
I think the pettiness is going away as Clark is
proving her her sort of worth in the league, if
you want to put it, you know, that's the way
you want to put it. I think we're seeing it
slowly dissipates. But she's certainly had to do more than
other players have had to get the adelation that she
deserves for her play than other rookies and other leagues
(09:30):
have to do to get the you know, the respect
of their veterans. You know, you would think that the
money and the TV ratings and the amount of people
in the stands would sway the veterans earlier to her
impact of the league. But they just again veteran players,
(09:54):
They think to themselves, Brian, I I've been playing this league.
I have a story to tell. I deserve to have
my story told. Why is a rookie who hasn't been
in my league, who hasn't performed on this level? Why
is she getting the attention? And I'm not getting it right?
And I do think that I think it's I think
(10:16):
it was certainly fair for players to question how quickly
her adjustment would be to the the WNBA, like the way,
like what what Tarazi said early on, I think it
was fair. Her tone was more of sort of mocking,
you know, sort of like a little bit of a
hater tone than it was just kind of plainly stating, yeah,
(10:36):
you know, she might struggle early on, so that's why
she got grief for what she said. But I think
it was certainly fair to question that. Again, I go
back to her Her stature is she's not like a
big physical player, right, and I understand that the idea
of like, okay, if she's more finesse early in her career,
(10:59):
that it's going to be tough early on to make
that transition. I think it was early on, but now
she's played better and more consistent. I do think that
the veterans should give her her due. I mean, she
has played well enough to earn the respect. We've seen
some veterans on you know, we saw Tross after they played,
we saw some of the aceist players we've seen some
of them start to sort of give her the duw
(11:20):
she deserves because everyone seems to be giving angel Rees
the credit she deserves for the way she's playing. She's
played fantastic. Give it to Kemla Clark too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
I just think this too when the w when the
NBA season rolls around, because this could be the same dynamic.
There have been a lot of NBA veterans that might
not have gotten half the attention that Bronnie James is getting.
Like how many NBA players do you think are gonna
hate on Bronnie? And it's the same sort of thing
of Hey, I just want people to know that they're
(11:51):
watching the league for more than just one player, you.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
That's what Angel Rees said about Caitlin Clark, you know
where it's like, give me my attention to how many
NBA players do you think they're gonna play that card?
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Nobody's gonna play that card.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, It's like, why do the NB the w NBA
players have to be so petty like that. The NBA
guys are not gonna be like that with Bronnie, and
they easily couldn't be.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
They're just not.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Going to Bronnie won't get as much attention. He won't
be playing every night though. No one's going in the
ring I see Bronnie James play.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
No, It's true, like Yeah, the coverage is gonna slow
down when he's playing G League games.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
But I bet this man, I think that, dude, he's
not playing the G League.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
He has he has a guaranteed roster spot.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Well, that's true, and he'll still play. He'll get he'll
have some some G League games. He'll get some run there.
You know, He's not just gonna rot on the bench
the whole time.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
But I think that I think that you could still
see it where let's just say Bronnie's playing some G
League games, that's still gonna be on Sports Center, you
know what I mean, Like, that's still you're gonna see
the highlights. You can still have veterans be like, what
the hell, man, I just dropped twenty twenty six points.
No one cares. But we're we're talking about Bronni scoring
(13:04):
like ten in a G League game.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
What are we doing.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
No one's gonna say that though, because they're not threatened
the same.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Way, correct, and and the payiness is not quite there.
I think. Look, the w n b A is sort
of learning all this on the fly, right, I mean,
they went from getting some attention. Look, the women's all
women's sports have been getting more attention as they should, right.
They they've been featured more often, and we're seeing ratings
(13:33):
through softball, basketball, track and field, volleyball. Right, We're seeing
this renaissance now where everyone you know is paying more
attention to women's sports. It's accelerated so fast in the
w n B A because it came to the Clark like,
we're seeing debates and arguments about things that we've done
in male sports for so many years. Now. I think
(13:53):
that people that cover the w NBA are struggling to
sort of figure out how to cover the league just
argue about stuff like like like men's sports, just that simple.
But no, but the attention to what they're saying is magnified. Right,
an analyst saying, I'm voting for Rookie of the Year
(14:14):
because of record. If you said that three years ago
about WM no one's paying attention to that. Yeah, but
now the scrutiny is is to you know, I think
everyone's figuring out how to cover the sport because it
hasn't been an issue in previous years.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, it's changed a lot, and they are blending ketchup
a little bit. But it listen, drama sells and that's
like the drama of man, what happened in college with
Angel Reese pointing to her ring finger in Caitlin's face,
and now these two being legit rookies putting up numbers,
being All Stars. This is the perfect formula for the
(14:55):
w NBA. It just fell into their lap. They have
two golden gooses right here. They got golden geese in
Caitlin and Angel Reese. And man, they're reaping all the rewards.
They've been god sense for that league. There's no doubt
about that.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Absolutely. And in the end, the point I continue to
make all the time is that attention in this in
the way that they're getting it now is great. I
know people might disagree and don't like the discourse about
some of the things we've had to discuss when it
comes to this league, but dude, all his attention is great.
(15:30):
It's great for the league. You might not like it.
You might not like some of the races components that have
been brought into discussion. You might disagree with some of it,
you might think it's not part of it, But that's
the attention for the sport. It's fantastic. This is great.
It's going to grow the sport. It's going to make
more people interested in it. It's going to propel it forward.
(15:52):
There's a new collective bargaining agreement that for discussion soon.
Like this is all all good for WNBA.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It is super fast. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The votes for the All Stars came in so last
year Asia Wilson, she led with just over ninety five
thousand votes. The top voter this year was Caitlin Clark
with over seven hundred thousand votes, and it went down
from there, Like Asia Wilson was up to over six
hundred thousand votes this year. Like a lot of that
(16:22):
is the interest of the Caitlin Clark effect, or.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
It's just it's raised the league.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, I do wonder if being around her for the
All Star weekend will change veterans opinions about her. Yeah.
Maybe the thing about Clark too that I think has
been I've enjoyed is she has never stirred the pot. No,
(16:49):
Like they ask her for opinions on things and she
just refuses to comment on Yeah, even after the triple double,
she seems like she seems uninterested in making about herself. Now,
maybe she's overtly aware of of everything she says. We'll
be parsed out. But even in that moment where they're like, hey,
talk about your trouble double, she would not talk about herself,
(17:10):
and she talked about her teammates and and the win
which they beat the Liberty. I did like, and this
is again, this is good for the sport. Sabrinan Esq
on the Liberty, who had a great game herself and
that in that contest, said like, yeah, this is their
super Bowl beating us. I love it. This is we
get in men's sports, right this, I love the w
(17:32):
n b A is getting the attention, and we're getting
the quotes. We're getting things that we see in the
NBA and then in the NFL and majorly well Majoray baseball.
No one pays in football, football and basketball. We're getting
this the pettiness, the quotes, like the the the ill.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
It sells sells every time. All right, he's Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
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Speaker 2 (19:10):
Okay, so we've.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Got the latest in the Brandon Aiyuk saga. Over here,
Jeff forty nine Ers wide receiver, he's trying to get
a contract extension.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So what did he do and follow them Instagram?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
That's not that's not what he did. I'm he might
have checked that box earlier. I'm not sure what you
do now he's gone to TikTok.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh. That that's that's when you do. Car negotiations makes.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
A new thing. It's a new thing. You go to
TikTok right now? So what do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He posted a picture of the Commander's practice film. Okay,
it's kind of like a twenty two view where you
can see all players from like behind the quarterback, featuring
of course, quarterback Jaden Daniels, his college teammate at Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
So it's like, oh, the NFL world is buzzing. Could
he be?
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You?
Speaker 1 (20:00):
A member the Commanders over here with Ayuk? And this
whole thing is just annoying. The question is how do
you see this ending? Do you see the Niners giving
him enough money where he stays in San Francisco?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
So the Niners have injury decision to make here, right,
So this is the players they've pacially paid on their roster, right,
Trent Williams, Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel. They paid Jawan Jennings
their third wide receiver already, right, and look go decent
him out for third third white out. On defense, they
(20:34):
have fairly certain Fred Warner's already got an extension, but
if he's not, if not, he's due another one. Bossa
has been paid. They paid Ward in the second day. Right,
players up for new deals at some point, right, who
funk is going to be up for a deal at
some point? Remember how important he was to their team
last year? Is their defense got far worse when he
wasn't in the lineup. They drafted a wide receiver in
(20:56):
the first round this year in pearsall they're they're sort
of telling you by not paying brand i as right
now that like we we don't have the money to
do this. Brock Party is going to be up for
an extension after the season. You have to pay him
(21:16):
fifty five million dollars a year, which is I think
it makes your head hurt, but that's the going right
for quarterbacks right now. They just can't pay everybody, and
it feels like they're looking at brand and I you
can say, hey buddy, look man, we like you, we
don't love yet. Thirty million dollars a season. Yeah, we
can't pay everybody. It's the problem every team has when
(21:39):
they end up in a situation where you have a
very talented roster, and what the Niners have, you try
to keep it together to win super Bowls. They have
the benefit right now of a cheap quarterback. That benefit
goes away in a year or two. And if you're
paying brock Party all that money, which he's gonna get
because he's just gonna get it. It's what the league
does to quarterbacks. And he went to having sakes last year.
(22:01):
He's gonna be He's gonna be paid, right. You can't
pay premiums other positions. Last year was the first year
we got a quarterback make more than twelve percent of
the sider cap to win a Super Bowl. People might
argue with that with with sort of what that means,
but those are the facts, okay. And the Chiefs have
a lot of young talent on their team. The Niners
(22:23):
at this point kind of don't right. They have a
lot of high priced players that are elite at their
positions and not a lot of depth on the roster,
and they can't pay brend Ayke thirty million a year,
pay Debot, Patron Williams, I forgot Kittle, pay McCaffrey, pay
guys on defense. And then also, hey man, we're gonna
(22:44):
get brock Party a contract as well. There's not enough
money to go around, and it feels like they're drawing
the line in the sand with with the AU deal.
Hey man, Jefferson got thirty five a year. That deal
is not really what the wide receiver market has been
or is, and we're not paying you that much money.
And that's what feels like it's happening right now. Is
(23:06):
someone going to give them a couple of second round
picks maybe for Brandon, are you possibly? And they'll get
rid of them. But I just don't think they're gonna
pay them. I don't think that that's what they feel
like they need to do for their team.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Right, And look, I get it from Ayuk's standpoint, because
he's not thinking of any of that, right, He's like,
of course, yeah, I'm putting up numbers, this is my worth,
paying me my money.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
He's not thinking about.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Cap scenarios or this, or he's like, I've heard this yeah,
I get that totally. But to your point, and from
the San Francisco forty nine ers standpoint, that's exactly what
you have to be thinking of.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
This is a good problem to have.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
You'd rather have the problem of there's not enough money
to go around to pay all these players, because you
have really good players. But it still is a problem.
It's better than not having enough good players. But you
still have an issue going on here, So how do
you go about it? They might move them now or else.
They're going to get them at as like team friendly
(24:08):
of a deal as possible. They're looking and saying, we
can't give you justin Jefferson money. We can't give you
even like slightly less than that with everybody else that
we have to pay.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
So now they're in this position.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
If they move Aiyuk, now you're really depending on Deebo
Samuel even more.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Who's had injury issues.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
And so the other route is you pay Brandon Aiyuk
as little as possible. You're gonna pay them a lot,
but as little as possible, and then you do your
cap gymnastics with moving other guys after this year, and
you say, hey, this is our all in year, and
then maybe you try to move debo or do whatever
you have to do to get under the cap. But
(24:47):
that's the scenario they're in right now, and with a
Yuk going to TikTok and doing all this other stuff,
the niners have to look at this like, bro, this
doesn't change anything. Like this still is the situation where
looking at John.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Lynch is not being like, well, we want to TikTok, folks,
let's pay him. But look from from a player's point
of view, Brian, that you don't have much leverage. You
really don't, right because you know, if you don't go
to training camp, you're getting fined, and you don't want
to get fined. You have you You just don't have
a lot of leverage here, and so I understand the
(25:23):
urge to want to just speak up on it, right,
speak up on it and just try to basically add
a little bit of flavor to the negotiations, right like
you know, and you can only do that if you're
a player. By holding out again you get fined for that,
(25:43):
or just go to social media and just trying to
stir up the pall a little bit, right, It never
really works. But I understand the the want for the
player to get on social media and try to do that.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, that's the only leverage you really have. Yeah, that's
pretty crazy to think you don't.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
You don't have another leverage.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
You just don't remember.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Jamal Adams, the safety, when he was with the Jets,
he did this whole social media thing, but he was
talking trash about Woody Johnson, the team owner. At one
point it was like, Okay, he's pretty much forcing his
way out and landed in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But that's pretty much it. You've got.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
All right, I can unfollow them in IG, I can
scrub all references of the team I play for now.
You can go to TikTok. It's a new door. It's
a new avenue opened by Brandon Nyuk. Or you could
talk trash about the team owner Jamal Adams did.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
That's about it. It's holding out in social media. That's
what you got. That's not great if you're the player
trying to get a new deal man.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
But that's it's just it's just it's just a much
you know, the NFL is just so different from other
leagues where the players just don't have a lot of
say you know, like yeah in no I say, but
just a lot of a lot of leverage publicly, and
so you turn it doesn't help. I mean unfollowing your
team on Instagram. That doesn't mean like oh, the owner
(27:10):
calls and like hey guys, let's get this done. Hen
followed them?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Now, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
It's funny though, if you compare it to it's similar
to the chief situation where they didn't pay Tyreek Hill.
They had a decision to make. They moved Tyreek Yeah. Uh,
they had a decision to make. They didn't pay Lugerious
need you can't pay everybody.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
He's now with the Titans.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
And so with the Niners, you're like, Okay, is brock
Purty a difference maker? Where if we skimp and we
move Brandon Ayuk, is he still doing mahomes ish things
production wise?
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's that's the conversation you're having with yourself right now.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
But this is what we're going to find out, right Look,
I thought the Chiefs getting rid of Tyreek Hill would
have triggered other teams to feel the same way about
their wide receivers. And it hasn't. It hasn't, right, And
it's because Mahomes is just a difference maker, right, Like
you can do that if you're Mahomes, if you would
(28:11):
you're the Chiefs and you have Mahomes. You can't do
that on other teams, Like you can't be the Vikings
and be like, yeah, we don't need Jefferson because you
have j. J. McCarthy or Sam Darnold. You can't do
that with Mahomes. You can. And also because the Chiefs
have a lot of they had and they still have
young talent on defense, cheap young talent that you could say,
(28:33):
hey man, we'll lie a little bit on our defense
this year more than we have in the past. Other
things don't have the benefit of doing that. The Niners, though,
do because they have a very talented team around Rock Party.
But I think your point about party is the thing
I come back to here, is right. And so Patrick
Mahomes makes the entire team that much better, right, elevates
(28:57):
everyone around him. Doest do that for the Niners or
does the offense to that for the Niners?
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I think the offense does it more for Purdy than
he does for the offense.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
And that's why I think is the difficult part about this.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
It's like you're gonna not pay Brandon Eye, Let's just
go with that right, not pay him, have pearsall have
Juwan Jennings, have Deebo Samuel and then pay McCaffrey all
this money. Not McCaffrey pay party. Oh boy, I don't
know that's enough around it right, Because Kittle's getting a
(29:29):
little older, Trey Williams is not playing forever. The rest
of the offensive line, there's some question marks. Man. That
feels like a really really tough to roll with a
team like that and expect the office to be the same.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Yet you got one last year with a great supporting
cast around party. But to your point, when you're paying
him fifty five million a year, you got a skimp.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And then then where are you? You're not in as
good of a positions. It's a huge year for the Niners.
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Speaker 1 (30:09):
So real fast here, Jeff Stephen Curry, he mentioned something
about he thinks that there won't be another dynasty in
the NBA quite like the one the Warriors had, and
he was talking to ESPN's Malik Andrews and said that
dynasties can look much different from one another. He made
that point clear, but he was talking specifically about Hey,
(30:31):
their core with himself, Draymond Green, Clay Thompson. It was
about eleven years of championship relevancy built around a certain core,
and he said, I don't think it can't. It will
be replicated, just because it's very hard to keep things
together in this league a lot more player movement. I
initially heard this and I'm like, oh, there could certainly
(30:53):
be another dynasty in the league. But what he's talking
about of keeping the core together for over a decade
with his much player movement, he might be right. There
might not be another dynasty that looks like the Warriors did.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
The Warriors did. What dynasties need. They have to hit
on their draft picks. Yeah, they got a transformational talent
in Steph Curry to pair with Klay Thompson and and
Draymond Green. You you, you you have to have those
(31:30):
core pieces together. If you don't, it's hard to have
a dynasty. You're not going to find many dynasties in
sports that are built through free agency, right. You have
to have core pieces that are that are young core
pieces that play together. You just don't have that in
(31:50):
the NBA very often. So I think his point is
certainly valid where like, look, you have to it's gonna
take multiple years. Look look what Boston's doing. They No,
they're not a dynasty yet, Brian, but their base of
it is draft picks is Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum yep.
And if they don't again, they can build this out
because of that. So if you look around the NBA,
(32:13):
who else right now is in sort of in that
I can say, okay, so you can make a case
right with Shay and maybe you know chat but he.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Wasn't drafted there, right, He came from some from the
the Clipper there. No, he was in the Paul George deal.
Came from the Clippers. That's how they gotten.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But you never played with the Clippers though.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
No, he did, Oh yeah a couple of years. Oh yeah,
or SG did?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Oh s J, you're a SJ?
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Did?
Speaker 3 (32:40):
You're right? I thought, chet, yes, SG did? Uh yeah.
It's a bad example. Okay, so what's what's then example
of a team?
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like is it like before Jah went, you know, off
the rails, it'd be like a joh Jaron Jackson junior
type of thing.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Did Jamal Murray pay anywhere besides before? No, just a
j Murray thing right could be. Yeah, it's just I
think it's just difficult to to to to basically create
a championship a dynasty in fregency. So you cutly have
them still, Brian, but they have to be done the
way that mosts get done. Well, you draft players and
(33:16):
you develop them together and then boom they end up happening.
But they have to be special talents like we've seen
over the years. You know, the Lakers I think are
rarity where you bring in Shack and Paul Gasol. The
matter with Kobe, it doesn't happen very often. It often
does take guys drafted together to make it happen.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Yeah, I hear you, And this whole thing, we won't
bore you with the second aprom Oh jeez.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Who wants this?
Speaker 3 (33:39):
An NBA who asked for this? An NBA was excited
that they're limiting the ability for teams to build good rosters.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Yeah, but that's going to affect things for sure going forward,
and so you might not see as much player movement
as you have before. But again, it goes back to
how how often can teams hit on draft picks like
Steph Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymondgreen and they were that good
for that look that is so hard to do and
(34:09):
then keep the band together after hitting on all those
draft picks.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
And Steph might be right. You might be. You might
have a dynasty again. You probably will in the NBA.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
That's been the nature of the sport, but I think
it's probably gonna look a lot different than the Warriors
dynasty looked. We got to get to around the corner.
He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian no in for two pros
and a cup of Joe. We'll close it down with Jeff.
There is a horrendous bet that was just made, and
then we also have some funny audio before we get
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(34:41):
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It is Fox Sports Radio. He's Jeff Schwartz a Brian
no In for two pros and a cup of Joe
live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. So this is
a bet, Jeff. This was not on our guy Bill
Krackenberger's betting sheet for a good reason. There is a
(35:18):
better who has wagered two hundred and fifty dollars on
NFL MVP odds this season. So we took a long shot,
took a guy that's three hundred to one to be
named league MVB. This better is going with Sam Darnold,
the Vikings quarterback who I don't know might start weeks
(35:40):
one and two.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Maybe it's maybe Boddy.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I I don't know what to be it. Lego sports
wager has been great, Brian. Okay. The one thing that
has brought about that we openly talk about now and
we do this on our show, we do this with
our friend who do this on social media is the
(36:07):
idea of value on a wager, right, And value is subjective, right,
It's whatever you think value is on a wager. But
the way people view value, which I think at least
publicly we see what you know what, what it turned
into a discussion is that they think value is finding
the longest shot you can and putting a couple of
dollars on it. Okay, because to your point, how much
(36:31):
is it's? What was the three three hundred to one,
so two point fifty that's going to pay someone seventy
five thousand dollars? Okay, yep, okay. That there's no value
in a wager that's not going to hit, that's right. Okay.
So like I told you, we we talked about this.
I made a bunch of I just took all the
(36:52):
wagers that Crack sent me today and I bet on them. Okay.
Some are minus one thirty five, some are plus one
oh five. What's a better taking a wager that you
think is gonna win it minus one thirty five and
laying one hundred and thirty five dollars to win one hundred, okay,
or betting two fifty or let's say one hundred dollars
to win, you know, to win three thousand. But that
(37:15):
wager's not going to hit at all. Yeah, and my
wager has a chance of actually making your money, right,
the values of the minus one thirty five wager, I know,
I I the Yeah, long shots are great, man, they
hit every now and then We get the tweet from
fan duel. Oh my god, someone did. But those are
so so rare they are winning a wager. Is the
(37:36):
value right?
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Well, that's the thing is your long shot bet at
least has to have a chance of hitting.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yes, if you say this has no chance, don't make
that bet. I don't care.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
What Hey, the it should be, uh, you know, two
fifty to one and I'm getting him at three hundred
to one. I don't care you're going to lose. I
just I don't get that. You at least have to
have a shot of winning.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
That's what I say.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
By the way, this happened in your backyard. Jeff so
Davis Burton's who was with the Charlotte Hornets. He got
cut while playing for Team Latvia, and so he was
asked about This is what he had to say. With
two or three minutes in the game, it was announced
that you were got by the Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
What is your initial reaction that you're not gonna play
there anymore? All, like I say, is I really don't care.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Right now.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
My main focuses are right here with the jersey on.
So you know, in a way, I'm really happy that
this right now is the only jersey that I wear.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Great answer by Davis Burton's I really don't care about that.
It's all team Latvia right now, you know.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I feel like sometimes people are happy to leave the hornets, so.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
All right, enjoy the soccer on Wednesday, Jeff, We'll catch
you soon.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Everybody, have a good morning.
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