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July 8, 2025 40 mins

Brian & Geoff talk about Pacers president Kevin Pritchard confirming that Tyrese Haliburton will not play at all next season, which NFL rule changes (or lack thereof) will have the most impact this upcoming season, Brian's Pony Crawl, and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hour three, let's get after it. Happy Tuesday to you.
It's funny. I got a couple of tweets here from
a couple of listeners, and it's funny. I thought the
latest tweet I read was complimentary Jeff, and I'm like, oh,
that's nice. That's that's nice to this guy. And then
I read it closer, I'm like, wait a minute, that's

(00:22):
that's like I'm missing totally miss He's not complimentary at all.
He's like, he's not the biggest w NBA fan. Is
basically what it boils down to, which, hey man, whatever,
I'm gonna please everybody. But I just think it's funny
sometimes I well, hey, thanks man, that's nice. You went
out of your way, Mickey, appreciate the kind words. And
I'm like, wait a minute, let me reread that. That's

(00:44):
not positive at all. Vicky's talking trash over here.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
I I've got a point where I just don't care.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, that's a good place to be.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I just like, I mean, I guess, don't listen anymore.
I don't know. I want people to listen, but like
it's July eighth today, What the w n B A
is on? I don't what do you want us to
talk to don't listen to our Sunday show. We spend
way too much time. Mean, at least look to be fair.
Crack does check out too. So I guess it's fair

(01:16):
that when we do wn b A talk, But you
want us to break down every NFL division, I guess
I mean, sure, let's start. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, you can't please everybody. Man. As soon as we
did that, someone would be like, can we please talk more?
The one thing I don't get, Jeff, I'll say this
real fast. It really doesn't bother me. I just don't
understand the complainers. If something isn't to my liking, I
just move on. I'm not gonna waste my time like, Hey,

(01:49):
could you please? I don't understand the mentality. I just
don't understand that. That's my whole thing. I don't get it.
I don't understand why you would do that. Whatever, just
turn us off, basically go on about your business. So
the Indiana Pacers, Jeff They confirmed Monday that Tyrese Haliburton
will indeed miss the entire twenty twenty five twenty sixth season.

(02:13):
This after he had surgery on his right achilles not
a shocker, right, But I think the messaging is kind
of interesting. So this is Pacers president Kevin Pritchard. This
is what he said yesterday. His quote is, I have
no doubt that he will be back better than ever.
The surgery went well. He will not play next year,

(02:34):
though we would not jeopardize that now, so don't get
any hopes up that he will play. I don't know,
maybe it's me, maybe I'm odd here, but I think
that's just a weird statement where it's basically like, hey,
the hope you might have, just get that off your
mind right now, not happening. I mean, I don't hate

(02:57):
the messages. Things a little bit odd. Maybe I'm used
to these teams. Maybe it's NFL offseason mode and everybody
is in the best shape ever, and man, this rookie
what I've seen so far, Wow, this guy has grasped
the playbook. This guy has taking control. Maybe I'm so
used to that where a Pacers statement where it's like, yeah,

(03:19):
get hope off your mind immediately. Maybe that's why it
lands a little oddly.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
For I mean, it's it's odd to be so forceful
about it. I feel like because a lot of times
when we hear teams talk about players and rehabits, always hope,
right and positivity, and this is just not the case.
But from a practical perspective, I like it. I like
just saying, hey, guys, we're shutting him down. There's no
there's no point, like, why are we going to rush

(03:46):
him back for a season that we've already not not
punted on. But we got rid of Miles Turner as
we know, right, Like you know, we just it's a
different We're going to have a different team. So we're
just now we're not punting on the season, but we're
letting you know that don't expect. So I appreciate Brian.
I think the honesty there, right, I appreciate the honesty

(04:07):
because that's what they should be thinking. But yeah, most
of the time people teams are like, you know, he's
coming back, guys, you know, you want to sell tickets,
you want to sell excitement, you want to sell hope,
And they just didn't do that here. So it just
feels it's different. It's that you don't normally hear or
read a quote like that from a team, But this
is smart, this is the right decision, right, Let's not
rush him back. We rushed him back from the calf injury.

(04:29):
Rushed is the wrong word. He was it was the funnels.
He was going to play no matter what. But he's
back early. He got hurt. There's no reason to bring him.
But he's our future of our franchise. Let's let's and
looks he might come back a month early. Never know,
but I think under selling it is always better than
over selling it, And so I appreciate at least that
that perspective. But yes, saying hey, guys, no, hope, nothing, sorry,

(04:52):
don't don't think about nothing. Don't just don't think about it.
So I found that. You know, that's that's unique. You
just don't hear that in other sports.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, it'd be like the Titans like press conference, Hey
you think you might make the playoffs this year? And
whatever the head coach or whomever it may be, the
GM is like, uh, you know what, don't get your
hopes up on that. It'd be like what whoa wow,
it would like blow you away. I'm not listen. I

(05:23):
just it struck me as a little odd. That's if
they left it at he will not play next year, though, Okay,
but he took a step further, so don't get any
hopes up that he will play. It's like WHOA pretty strong,
but hey, I get it. Shutting him down is the
right move. And I totally agree underselling is better than
over selling, like, hey, maybe maybe he'd be back for

(05:45):
the stretch run if we're in a good position and
blah blah blah. Yeah. I don't think they're mishandling it.
It's just so different. That's where it's like whoa, wow, Okay,
we're just cutting to the chase right here.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So what makes the NFL so different, as you mentioned
from others, as you have NFL in the mind, is
the NFL sells hope better than another league. It's one
of their hallmarks. And the NFL team would never put
something out like this, especially you know, this time of year.

(06:19):
The best part about kind of preparing for the season,
for the NFL season is just how everyone thinks they're
gonna they're gonna be good this year. I sounded like
four teams And you don't feel that way in other sports.
You really don't, you know, professional football, and look, there's
really just a handful team that he can win the
Super Bowl, but you never know, right Like you can
post hockey feels this way sometimes too, where eight seeds
play much better than, you know, than expected. But the

(06:42):
ability for the NFL just to sell this idea that
you know, we're everyone has a chance to win makes
it a very unique league.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Absolutely it does. And this is the other part of
the Halliburton thing. So you saw where Halliburton he posted
on social media that he didn't regret playing in game
seven and he would do it again and again after that,
and he wrote to fight for this city and my brothers.
And so that's the backdrop where again the president, Kevin Pritchard,

(07:12):
he made this statement and it really caught my attention.
He said, if you're asking me, would I have him
do it over and over? I would not. If I
knew he was going to get hurt. I would sacrifice
that game because I care for the kids so much
and want him to have an incredible career. That's his statement.
And so it just made me think, do you blame

(07:34):
the Pacers at all for letting Halliburton play in game seven?
I mean, even if it's a fight, not even a
one percent.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Buddy, this is its game the NBA Finals.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, no, I hear you.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
And there's no way that Hollyburn would have been like, yeah,
I'm playing. And he knew the risk and we all knew.
We followed the sport. We see what happens to these
achilles injuries. We see you rush back from a calf injury.
I think there's just no way he wasn't gonna play,
and and you just it's it's unfortunate. Injuries are part
of the game. With one hundred percent injury rate, it's

(08:09):
it really sucked to saw him, see him on the
on the court like that, just like holy I mean
all it was terrible. But it was Game seven of
the NBA Finals. You're gonna play. He managed backlash. If
he didn't play and they lost by four, you've been like,
what what you would have a chance to beat.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
And so, And there's no guarantee he would have gotten hurt. Right,
you lose by four, he doesn't play at all, and
now you wrestle with he He might have been okay,
he was okay in game six, right, Sure.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
So it's a tough it's a tough spot, I thing
for everyone, right, because you want to protect your your superstar.
You think about long term. You saw how you know,
I think I don't think it was actually physical pain.
I think it was emotional pain in the moment that
that was really hard to watch to see how just
emotionally how upset he was after the injury. And you

(09:02):
know Achilles' injuries. I've been fortunately not have one, but
you know, the signs are always there, and I think
that it's pretty easy to tell when a guy has
an Achilles injury, and players know that as well. You
feel that snap right. Unfortunately, of the hegues, so you
know what it is immediately, so there's no like you
know so again as a player, you know how long
that rehab is. You see other people around the league

(09:22):
and then so in that moment, that's why he was
so distraught and you feel But I am like the
least emotional person ever, Like I just maybe I just
don't feel much sometimes I probably should feel more.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Watch comes.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
I watched a ton of rom coms. I'm just very
like matter of fact, I think a lot of times
and I but I felt emotional watching Holly Booker. I
was like, oh, I was like, oh jeez, poor guy.
Maybe because I was so hurt in my NFL career
and I did nothing to like deserves by of the
wrong word. But like just I just always got hurt,
and just I just got used to just numb with injuries.

(10:00):
I just never affects me anymore.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, that's why I think, though, I think with if
anybody's second guessing Haliburton playing in game seven, my rule
is this, Jeff, you need to be first guessing in
order to be second guessing. Anybody can say after he
gets hurt in game seven, like you should have been
out there in the first place. It's like, well, that's
easy because you have access to the results. Correct, You

(10:24):
need to be first guessing before you have access to
the results. You know, you needed to be saying before
game six, Haliburton shouldn't be playing too risk You should
be saying before game seven, Haliburton shouldn't be out there,
it's too risky. If you weren't saying that that, I
don't want to hear. Correct, you say that once you
find out that he snapped his achilles that that's my

(10:46):
own rule. And listen, this is the nature of sports.
It's unfortunate. There was no guarantee he was going to
get hurt. They took a chance. Unfortunately they got burned.
But think about guys like Tara Owens played in the
Super Bowl, right, He played in Super Bowl thirty nine.
That was seven weeks after breaking his leg. He had
torn ligaments in his ankle and the doctors were like,

(11:08):
you shouldn't play in the game, and he played anyway,
and it worked out fine for him individually. He played great.
He didn't get hurt worse. Like you take chances like
that all the time in sports and hope that it
doesn't burn you, and every now and then it does.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Those guys like like Troll Owens, these Hall of Fame talents, man,
I have I have said for years, and I've played
with I think in my career ended up playing with
at least three and Eli Getzon with I think he
will four, so Juwis Peppers, Steve Smith will get it,
will get if he's on. And yet Adrian Peterson and

(11:48):
Eli Manning and and one thing you know, the the
three other guys that the non corners haven't common is
like their ability to just regenerate, like they these Hall
of Fame players, their ability to just never get hurt
or when they get hurt, just regenerate, like they just
get healthier faster. It is it's a it's a wild thing.

(12:11):
I mean, I was there, you know, in Minnesota, and
Adrea Peterson played with that Sports Turney when he had
two thousand yards rushing. That was the year I was. I.
I had just come off a Sports Turney injury. I
knew I had the surgery months before. Adrian Pearson had
the same and he played every week. I did not
play every week. I had to have surgery like immediately.
It's just these guys are They're built differently, dude, And

(12:32):
so it's kind of wild just to see some of
these Hall of Fame players and their ability to to
just remain healthy. And I think it's it's two things.
One it's it's natural. It's just naturally gifted, right they are,
you know, And to their ability to train at a
different level than the rest of us. Dude, I try

(12:52):
as hard as I could, it sometimes didn't even matter,
Like it just didn't matter because the guys are better
than me. It's just what it's genetics to what it is.
And so you know, Hollie Burn, maybe he's one of
these guys that is is so good he can recover
faster anyone else, but probably not. So in the end,
I'm glad the Patis at least said that. Right, it's
the same, like, hey, I just don't worry about it.
He's not going to come back this year. Focus on,

(13:12):
you know, on something else.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, no doubt, And hopefully it will be as
quick of a recovery as possible for all these guys, right,
Damian Lillard, Jason Tatum, it's just a little older.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
It feels like it's a little harder to recover.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Yeah. The only the only thing with Dame is like
he attacks the basket quite a bit, and so that's
that's the worry. And now he can shoot the lights
out so he can have a prolonged career. But that's
a big part of his game, is attacking the rat
getting into the paint. That's a big part of Halliburton's game,

(13:46):
you know. That's the thing when Kevin Durant Torres Achilles
against the Raptors.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
He came a shooter like that.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Dude could just shoot Jays all day and there's nothing
you can do about it. Yeah, and so I'm really
curious to see how Tatum Dame Halliburton. Well, absolutely, I
think he could shoot it. But that's a big part
of his game was attacking the rack and he might
not have that uh once he rehabs it, so they

(14:15):
might have to change their games quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I'm curious how that goes. I I sorry. The last
thing I will say is I am the kills. Injuries
are real. I mean, this has an NBA problem? Now,
you know what what do they do about it? I
know the less games. I don't think it's less games.
They've played the schedule forever. They and and it's not
like this, you know that that. It's just it's what
do they do? Like? Is it training?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Is?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Why is this an issue for these players? Is that
too much AU basketball? Is that too much individual? Individual
playing one sport as a youth. I'm very fascinated about
why this keeps happening.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
I don't know. Man uh Adam Silver. During the draft
he had a couple of interesting comments about that, and he,
to his credit, he's been diving in to the research,
the data trying to figure out. He wasn't just like, ah,
shrug your shoulders, it's sports. What do you want me
to tell you? Like, He's really diving into it. And
one of the interesting things he said was the uptick

(15:13):
a lot of the guys they got injured the first
half of the season, so it's like it's not pointing
to the games and the attrition of that. It's some
of it is a bit of a mystery, and a
lot of people have different theories as to why, but
there's not this one concrete answer that everyone's like, Oh,
that's it, you know, And I don't know what the

(15:34):
solution is to any of that stuff. So it's.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
The solution is probably some of the NBA just can't fix.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah, you know, some of it is. It's it's gonna happen,
right Like, you're gonna have injuries. You're gonna have some
serious injuries. I think before the season. I don't think
there were any the previous season, like no Achilles tears.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
So it's some of it's random. Some of it's very random.
All right, Coming up next, what will be the most
impactful rule change or non change this season? We'll compare notes.
He Jeff Schwartz, I'm Brian. Now We're in for Two
Pros and a Cup of Joe right here on Fox
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Speaker 1 (17:08):
It is Fox Sports Radio. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm probably
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Is this bad medicine? What is this?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
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Speaker 1 (17:20):
Uh? Loraina just wanted to go back to the eighties
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feather our bangs real quick, you know. All right, Jeff,
let's get back to the NFL over here, so we're
gonna get angry tweets again.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
What's that? What's the NFL?

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, it's National Football League. So there have been some
rule changes and there have been some non rule changes. Yeah, okay,
so I want you to vote, if you will, throughout
your opinion.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Here.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
What do you think the most impactful change or non
change will be for this season? Okay? So here are
the choices, and I'll try to go fast because you
might just forget the first couple after I readle off
five of these things. You know, so this is gonna
sound like nothing really, but the virtual tracking system that's

(18:17):
gonna be used to measure down in distances. And you
might think, who cares? All right, they're replacing the chain gang.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Well they're well they're actually not though.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Well, that's the secondary system. So they're not gonna be
used at all. They're just gonna be hanging out and
like the emergency goalie basically right, they're not gonna be used.
I don't know that they're ever gonna be used. So
it's gonna be this virtual tracking system. And just when
you shrug your shoulders and think that might not make
a difference, we'll think about that Bills Chiefs game, and

(18:49):
I don't know. Maybe the virtual tracking system will make
a difference, and that's a first down for the Bills.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I don't know, Okay, But here's the question I have
with with with that is that I don't think it's
gonna help that much with spot Like it's because you
don't know where it's not helping tell you where someone's
down though, right, It's just it's just telling you where
the ball I.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Think is right right.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
So still, I mean, there's still some questions I have
about the system. But okay, okay, that's one change.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
That's one. On side kicks, you can you can go
for an onside kick at any point during.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Not to Claire, you used to have to declare the
on side kick.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Right, yeah, you still do because you have to alert
the opposing team, which sucks. We can't do the surprise
on sure's there's nobody there everbody's downfield, correct, you know,
like the old Pat McAfee where he kicked the ten yards.
You can recover it every time. Now there's no one there,
but you have to alert them. So there's that change.
Both teams are now guaranteed at least one possession in overtime,

(19:53):
and then we get to the two biggies. I think
the tush push remains, and then you have touch facts
on kickoffs, the ball be spotted at the thirty five
yard line instead of the thirty Which of those changes
are non changes do you think will be most impactful?

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, the toush push only really impacts one, I mean ego.
I mean some teams don't touch push, like the Chiefs
never touch push. That doesn't impact them at all. No,
the overtime thing is fairly interesting, right, I think, because
how many times have we seen that obviously play a
role and you know, team's chances to win it to

(20:32):
win a game, right, I mean, it seems like these
rules change out for the Chiefs seem to win overtime games.
But nonetheless, like that, that feels pretty impactful, you know.
So that what was the other one you mentioned?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I think touchbacks is the big one. So it's ball
spotted at the thirty five. Yeah, so it incentivizes not
kicking the ball through the back of the end zone.
We're gonna see more kickoff returns most likely.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah. Probably, I would say you're right on that. I
just don't think teams oh that five yards. I mean,
I don't know if teams are gonna are gonna risk
a return for five yards of field position.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I think some teams will. Some will say, hey man,
we're gonna try to kick it as close to the
goal line as possible, and we're going to rally and
we're our chances are better than not. They're going to
stop you before you reach the thirty five.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
One thing I I Brian that I find it interesting
about the NFL seems obsessed with making the kickoff a thing.
I don't know why. I'm never watching a game, but
you know I missed the kickoff return, Like, just like,
give me the quarterback as soon as possible, you know
what I mean. Like it seems like I don't know
why they're trying to make it. I get it from
maybe a excitement perspective, especially we want to have special teams,

(21:52):
players being involved in the game and whatnot. But otherwise
I don't quite get it. It's there's having returns a
year probably look at five. Why are we so going
hole about making sure returns are part of the game now?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, I think it just because it was such a
big part of the game not that long ago. Devin
Hester is a Hall of Famer because he was a
great return man. Oh yeah, you know. And there was
a lot of excitement with the play with absolutely think
at Dante Hall and Tamark Vanover for a little while.
I had some interesting, like some exciting returns. And listen,

(22:31):
I get it. The concussion thing, and they're trying they're
always trying to lower the numbers. I understand that.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Right, But if you want to lower the number of concussions,
why would you force to kickoff returns.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Well, they're trying to find the best of both worlds.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, I get it.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
If you don't have someone running, you know, forty yards
downfield at full speed and then just lighting with someone.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
So I every young offensive lineman who's not starting does
kickoff return Yeah right, yeah, And I did it in
the a where you do whatever you wanted to do,
just sure so you basically what happened is this we
did the wedge is called right where you would hold
hands together as a as a normally three to three

(23:15):
to five, two to five guys, whatever it was, you'd
hold hands and you'd run full speed. A defender who
is named the wedge buster, a guy whose job it
was to a linebacker, most often whose job it was
to run full speed and throw their body into the
wedge to create a pile so they couldn't return.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Okay, so you're telling me concussions occurred on places.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Shocking, right. So what you would do is I would
be in my stance, I'd run back and i'd hold
get to spot, hold the guy's hand, run full speed
and then you just close your eyes. Yeah, you just
you just boom and just like you're like, oh, well, okay,
survive that one. It's terrible. Look, I'm not disagree with
why they got rid of it, but yeah, it was not.

(24:01):
It was not I knew guys would put in. They
put in extra. They basically take a thigh pad or
a knee pad and put it under their shoulder pads
for extra for extra extra support. But it does lead
to fun. I did have one kickoff return in the NFL, Brian,
you did, yeah, sixteen yards? Okay, and uh the worst
or best part either one. I didn't fumble, which is

(24:22):
the best part. The worst part was that someone actually
tried to tackle me and got knocked out and got
stretchered off the field.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Oh, now there are you talking there?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
So what happened. Was it was Clifton Smith who actually
got can cussed in a game earlier again we played
He got can cussed earlier this season again such as
well on a on on a pretty vistage vicious hit
on a punt return. He was the punt return gott clearly,
so he was going to tackle me and he got.
He got, He got pushed into my leg and like

(24:52):
hitting the side of my my hip and got knocked out.
I don't remember. I was celebrating so much that when
my uncle called me later that day to talk about it,
he's like, he's like, how's the guy that that I
can cuss? And you got carried off? Excuse me? What happened? Yeah?
I can send you to play. You can see it.
There's a guy laying at the bottom of the pile, motionless.
It's really like disturbing to see.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
I didn't realize it happened in real time, no idea.
I was so celebrating so hard that I got sixteen yards.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Good job for you.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Maybe I have terrible running for him, though not very.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I don't that for a second. You're very slippery. Maybe
a couple of spin moves. I don't buy that at all.
I think they're a top shelf. I've interviewed Clifton Smith
many times. I did radio and Fresno. He's a former bulldog.
You know. So Clifton Smith was a good return guy.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, but him trying to tackle you, Clifton Smith is
a small guy.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, I think he got pushed into my leg. If
you watch it, I don't think he I think he
got pushed in the back or something, or he got
tripped up. I don't think he was going like headlong
into my leg. Yeah, but knocked out. Yeah, not great man. Yeah,
you have an Android phone. Off, I said you a video.
It's going to be all weird.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Jeff hates me because I have an Android phone.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, you ruined the text thread.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
I'm glad to do it.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm very happy to quote unquote ruin the text thread
with my Android ways. You know, it makes me happy. Okay,
So while we're talking NFL, and you know, for the
non NBA at w NBA crowd out there, they should
be in blissful heaven right here with this. But how
about these these nuggets? Jeff, I ran across some other

(26:31):
ones that I thought were pretty interesting and some that
you might not know are the case. Right. So one
was with the Arizona Cardinals. So they led their division
in scoring last year and they also finished second in
points allowed in the NFC. That's pretty good. I didn't
realize they were number one in scoring and number two

(26:53):
in points allowed in the in their division. That's really good.
Like think of the Rams. Rams went toe to toe
with the Eagles in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
They had some ugly, ugly offensive games. They won a
game I think like thirteen to nine. The Rams did
that was it was not always pretty at times. They
need to beat the Jets like thirteen nine the top
of my head, like in New York, or beat the Giants.
I have some gross game like that.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah yeah, yeah, they did have and they start slow.
I don't know what it is with them starting slowly.
Another one with the Arizona Cardinals. How about Marvin Harrison junior.
So he only had two games with one hundred plus
receiving yards and he had ten games with fewer than
fifty yards receiving.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Interesting, that's I think he could break out this year.
But it's like, man, we expected a lot more from
Harrison Junior. His first year.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, there was talk at times that they weren't giving
the ball off, remember, and they tried to They tried
to force the ball to him and it sometimes it worked.
I think it was the game of the year they
forced the ball to him in a bunch of The
Cardinals are really interesting because their team I just always
have a hard time getting a read on, you know.
I think it has to do with Coler Murray. Coler
Murray is is supremely talented, supremely gifted, but there are

(28:05):
times he just doesn't look it. For lack of a
better term, He's a guy that is very If he
starts the game hot, Brian, he ends the game hot.
If he starts cold, he pretty much ends cold. And
so it's hard to just look at him and like,
how do you is this the hot game or the
cold game today? And that makes it difficult to handicap them.

(28:25):
They're They're not a team I would argue that has
a lot of like juice players, you know, like like Connor, yes, Murray, yes, Harrison.
I mean the numbers you put out I guess, I
guess now McBride's maybe the best time I no one
ever talks about they have that as well, but he

(28:47):
really defensively is where the lack of juice is at,
you know. And so.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
They made some upgrades, a handful of draft picks and
free agents. Yeah, could make an impact. I leiais Campbell
is ageless by the way, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I like, by the way, the Nolan draft pick they had,
and there's a pretty good draft pick. I think Nolan's
going to be good in the NFL. So there's some
upside there. Again, we we know we listened Philly coach
defense obviously gotta do the whole thing as a head coach.
There's a team I always have, I always have trouble with.
I always forget about them. I'm always like that, how
do how do I prure them correctly? So I'm curious

(29:25):
the other do this? I know, I think a lot
of people are going to be on there.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Over they might be. There are a couple other ones.
So this is from the Oh wow, Foe is in
the house excited?

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Yeah. The Athletic has an NFL newsletter and so they
had a couple of interesting tidbits yesterday. How about this,
So Josh Grizzard, he's the new offensive coordinator with Tampa,
of course, will be Baker Mayfield's eighth offensive in as
many seasons, eighth in eight seasons.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
I give him a lot of props the way he's
handled all this he's had, He's been dealt this hand
essentially right, and that's good. I mean, he's coordinators that
are good and they eventually get jobs, and so you
know that that's in the end maybe a good thing.
But it's at some point that the brain drain is real, right,
And and these guys just you lose too many coordinators,

(30:17):
too many smart minds. But how many times can you
continue to hire like the best coordinator every year? Right?
So there's a question there. But I also will say
that when when you have a guy like Baker who's
been through a lot and seen a lot of it,
you can easily digest new playbooks and new concepts. And
it's very It might even be so simple as we're
keeping everything as is terminology wise, and that happens sometimes

(30:37):
when OC comes in, they actually learn the old terminology
and apply to their offense and keep everyone on the
same page. But they're very Tampa Bay one of the
better offense livenes the NFL underrated. I think people don't
realize that the pretty good offensive line, Mike Evans obviously
going for another thousand yard season. There's a lot of
positives there when it comes to Tampa Bay, even if

(30:59):
the coordinator keep changing offensively, which again it could be
a problem. We'll see what happens this season.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
All right, here's two others. Okay, with the Falcons. How
about this. They rank thirty second, dead last across the
past five, ten and twenty seasons in total sacks. So,
depending on whatever measure you want you want to use,
the last twenty seasons, they're dead last. All you want
to shorten that last ten seasons, they're still dead last.

(31:26):
Only the last five seasons, dead last in total sacks.
They drafted two dudes in the first round. They basically
used three draft picks. They sacrificed their first rounder next year,
and they picked up a free agent as well, so
hopefully they found a pass rush.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
For their some dudes too. They had a Babino was decent. Yeah,
they had Jared. They had John Abraham. I believe we
should he'd be in that group as well. Wow. Interesting?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, dead last five years.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Crazy. Don't like trading a first rounder for j Pears.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
I know, but they were so desperate, man, I know,
but that's that's I hear you. I can get it.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, bad to things like that.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's like it's like there's a hole in your window,
and it's it's the you've got weather. It's the time
of year where there's weather, and you're gonna have to
dip into your sports betting fund to replace this window,
you know what I mean. Like, you gotta do what
you got to do at some point. And if there's
ever a team that was just aching for help, it
was the Falcons. We'll see if that works out at all.

(32:40):
Last one for you, the Carolina Panthers. They allowed the
third most points per game of any team in the
past twenty years. That's how bad they were last year.
They allowed thirty one point four points per game, third
most over the last two decades.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm high on the pan. I think they're gonna be
good this season.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Man, I don't it could go eat.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Their defense improved, they got Derek Brown back, they added
a lot of fans, they had a lot in the draft,
and then I think Bryce Young just year two in
this offense, we saw last season what it looked like,
right is it kind of got going a little bit.
I like the team acadition, I like their off I
like their coaching staff. I didn't have a lot of
things going for them this year.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I got to see it to believe it.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Are we running our bet back?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I think we have to just based on principle, and
I don't want any part of it, but I feel like, yeah,
it's like the third installment, I think, right, So for
those that were one and one, yeah, those that don't
know Jeff and I, I think we're one to zero
and one because you somehow tied me last year. You
rat Bastard where so I don't know how this happened.

(33:47):
But Jeff bets on the Panthers. I bet on the Saints.
We're not fans of either team. You might be a
little bit of a Panthers fan living.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
In living in Charlotte, but I, I mean, I know
that some of the people there, I mean I hope
they do well.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, okay, that's fair. But anyway, we bet on whichever
team has more wins that season, and whoever wins you
get a nickel. We put five hundred bucks on it,
and a couple of years ago they played each other
in the final game of the season. I needed the
Saint comment at home. Yeah, we were there in Cincinnati.

(34:19):
We had a live show in Cincinnati. We're watching that.
Jeff put five hundred American dollars right there on the table.
He was convinced he was gonna have to pay me
that money. And the Saints had a long field goal
attempt at the end, missed it, and the Panthers had
a long field goal attempt at the end, made it,
and it was a push. He just took that five

(34:39):
hundred put it right back in his pocket. I'm like,
that should be mine. And then last year was it
was disgusting? That was that was another tie? Was it not?
I thought I had it with the Saints, and your
Panthers went to Atlanta and won the game on the road.
They were like eight point underdogs something like that.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, yeah they won game. Yeah, will I.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Did win it? One year?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
You won one year the year the Panthers drafted one overall, right, yeah,
or you drafted one overall.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
So maybe it's one. Yeah, is that my record in
this bet? One? Two? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
It might be crazy? So my favorite thing about our
remote in Cincinnati, So we did a remote Cincinnati. Is
that it's now infamous for this is where the L
s U or Alabama baseball coach trying to cheat, try
to cheat the system.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
It's right, he.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Did it at that sport. For those who remember, the
Alabama baseball coach got fired for gambling on on his
games and the game the sports book he used was
the one in Cincinnati that we went to. Yeah, and
what was so interesting about it is that sports book did.
I have a lot of people on an NFL Sunday.
Can't imagine what it was like on a Tuesday during
baseball season. Yeah, you imagine. The teller there is like,

(35:59):
you want to do what you have one hundred thousand dollars,
which is what we try to bet on on Alabama baseball.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Excuse me, that's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
No, I think it's not gonna work.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yeah, all right, Coming up next Odd Food Choices and
Jeff the first ever Pony Crawl. I'll give you details
on that. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Brian know. We're in
for Two Pros and a Cup of Joe right here
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
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(37:21):
in Vegas here. This will be I think on Thursday.
But we're gonna do what I call the pony crawl.
So I don't know how to explain it. It's they
have in Vegas at various casinos. That's right, they have
the electronic ponies as I call them. So just picture
of a miniature miniature miniature horse racing track, correct, and

(37:47):
these electronic ponies just run at various speeds and you
bet on them. And so we looked at it and
they're probably about ten different casinos that have these, and
so we're gonna hit every every single one. Instead of
a pub crawl, we're gonna do the pony crawl.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
You and the missus.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, Okay. On Thursday, I'm gonna buy a Fedora.
It's gonna be like the Kentucky Derby. You know, you
get all dressed up as if we're going to the
Kentucky Derby. We're gonna do the pony crawl. So we're
gonna do. I'll report back to you.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
How many sos roughly like? Are they mostly like Fremont
Street or like strip?

Speaker 1 (38:25):
A lot of them are on the strip, A lot
of them like ones in Mandalay Bay Ones Resorts World,
there's very lux Or I think has one. A lot
of them on the strip. Wow, I think they have
it at the D I think that's the one. Fremont Street.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, should be fall, It should be interesting,
interesting a day. Yeah, hopefully it'll.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Be profitable, but we're making it an event.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
How much you put in down?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Not a ton like a lot of these are one
at Resorts World is twenty five cents per bet. That's
how low you could go, and some are like one
dollar per bet. I don't think it will go too crazy.
We'll see. Hopefully we hit a jackpot or too. I'm hoping.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
I'm not doing that Thursday. But I want now, I
want updates, so can Yeah, we put we should wager
on Brian's wagering.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
There you go. I like that wagering on wagering. Now
we're talking here. How about this too, because uh IGOs Fiatech.
She's at Wimbledon and she's advancing here and she has
an interesting food choice, like strawberries are very popular at Wimbledon,
and so she was asked about her food preferences.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
This is what she said.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Check this out. I have my favorite. Actually I ate
it as a kid. It's pasta strawberries. So that's strange.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I know, I know, but guys, pasta strawberries, a little
bit of yogurt, it's just great.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Okay, how about that pasta, strawberries and yogurt. Do you
have any weird food concoctions over there altogether? Yeah, that's
what she does. Mix it all together. You do anything
crazy like that thing off the wall.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
The off the wall thing I'm doing today is taking
the first half under and in mystics and sky. So
that's that's that's my crazy thing I'm doing eleven thirty
tip off take. Give me the first half under very early.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
You tell me if this is weird. I do this
at Subway a Lot. I'll get a BLT, which I love.
I'll get the normal lettuce, tomatoes, green peppers, salt, and
they'll be like, you want anything else. I'm like, no,
like Mayo, mustard, no dry arty anything.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Does he know? Does the
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