February 18, 2025 • 40 mins
Brian & Jason talk about Caitlin Clark's agent saying that she will never be paid her true value to the WNBA, reports saying that Netflix wants a Sunday afternoon slate of NFL games, the latest on the fallout from the Luka trade, and more!
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right fits. So Caitlin Clark's agent made a statement that
caught my attention where she says this is aaron Kin, right,
(01:18):
So Aaron Kin she represents Caitlin Clark and some other
WNBA stars. It's part of Excel Sports Management. But Aaron
Kain says it's impossible to pay Caitlin Clark her true
WNBA value. And I thought that was an interesting statement
because I think it goes beyond the WNBA. We'll stick
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with the WNBA for a second, but how crazy is
this Where Caitlin is set to make for the twenty
twenty five season seventy eight thousand dollars. That's ther WNBA
paycheck fits How can that be? But it's an interesting
statement to say it's impossible to pay her her true
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WNBA value, And you start thinking about My mind went
immediately to the NBA, and we'll bring it back to
the WNBA. But think on a greater scale where you
see some of these contracts. We just saw the Dallas
Mavericks in part we believe trade Luka Doncic because they
didn't want to pay the supermax three hundred and forty
(02:27):
five million dollar price tag, right, And you start thinking, man,
three hundred and forty five million dollars, that's huge money,
But start thinking about the value to the league. You
could argue Luka Doncic or other players Lebron James, Steph
Curry as much money as Steph Curry makes. He's made
(02:48):
more money for the NBA than he makes himself, you
know what I mean. Like, so when you start thinking
about that, especially with these NBA contracts, huge money, and
you're like, wow, man, that's a lot of money. If
you stop and think, and I never did before, what's
their true value for the NBA? Would they? Can you
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pay Lebron like annually what he's worth for the NBA?
No way. So I thought that was an interesting way
to say it by the agent, but maybe not the
greatest statement because you can't do that in the NBA
on a far greater scale.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Caitlin's making peanuts at seventy eight thousand dollars. That's crazy.
Something's got to change as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, And this is where so many people will come
in and try and downplay the value of some of
these athletes, and I'll just remind everybody. So I looked
it up here and it looks like, according to the
most recent article I can find here that you know
we're talking about, you know, roughly one point five million
people watching on an average regular season basketball game, So
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here's what we know. That number is higher for certain brands.
The Lakers attract ratings. The reason that people talk about
the Lakers so much is because people watch it. So
it's not an accident. And you know, I'll go back
to First Take and shows like that on ESPN, they
study the metrics every day. So when you ask yourself
why these TV shows only talk about the Lakers and
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the Cowboys, it's because they get daily numbers every day
that shows it. When they talk about the Lakers and
the Cowboys, more people watch. That might be unbelievable to
you listening, but it's real. So when you think about
what the value is of certain athletes, I mean you
can do this in the NFL too, Like what's the.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
True value of Patrick Mahomes? Just is it?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is it really forty fifty million dollars d Like if
there was no salary cap and you were just saying, okay,
every time the Chiefs are on TV, you know, twenty
thirty forty fifty million people watch depending.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
On what the day is.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Right, So right, what's the value of that in modern sports?
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
The reason that sports the reason the NBA, for example,
just did a historic new TV deal is because advertisers
understand that the only thing left that you can't simply
record and skip through the commercials on are live sports.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You watch them live. You're captivated by it live.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You got to see the scoring as it happens. As
a result, you have a captive audience, which is why
advertisers are paying more than ever to get advertisements on it.
And so we see here all day long talk about well,
ratings are down, ratings are down, ratings down, it doesn't matter.
Money's up because advertisers understand that this is a captive audience.
So if advertisers understand that, what's the real value of Lebron?
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I can't even imagine what's the real value of Golden State.
We talked about them earlier, Like if we just looked
at value, Oklahoma City has very little because the common
fan that doesn't give a damn is rarely tuning in
to Oklahoma City right now. But the Lakers and Lebron
have a ton because common fans will just sit there
and watch anything that the Lakers and Lebron are on.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Alarming when you think about the face of different sports.
I don't think that you could put a price tag
on what most of them. If there was no salary
cap and no tax bracket caps, they could get whatever
they want. Like, if it were true free market, it'd
be insane to see how much Lebron would.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Make, no doubt. Right, yeah, you start thinking about that.
Think about the NFL media rights deals, right where all
these different television companies and you put all that money
in one category, it's billions and billions of dollars. You
start thinking about the top stars, the high end, the
mahomes and right, like, what they mean for the league
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financially is way more than what they get paid. And
that's why I think it's a bad argument from Caitlin's agents.
That shouldn't be the argument. She's right that Caitlin will
never make her true WNBA value, But how does that
help her get more money? You know what I'm saying, Like,
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that's a good point, But how does that help your
client get more cash that she did. That's why it's like, hey,
good point, but that doesn't help your client. That's why
it's a bad argument. You know, Like the WNBA they
announced last year, it's eleven year media rights deal, and
that's valued at about two point two billion dollars. So
(07:16):
it's about two hundred million dollars per year, right, right,
this is huge. It was you know, sixty million dollars
per year. Now it's two hundred million dollars per year.
To me, the better argument from that agent is, yo,
we just have a new media rights deal. It's worth
one hundred and forty million dollars more per year than
it was. How is Caitlin Clark only making seventy eight
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thousand dollars per year? Still with that in mind, right,
Like that to me helps your client. It puts her
in a better position to make more money instead of
she's never gonna get her true value. It's like, yeah, right,
but how does that help exactly? I don't think it
does at all.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, and it's it gets it gets complicated because certain
only Caitlyn has a million other ways to make money.
But I remember when Lebron was first drafted. I saw
an interview his rookie year and somebody asked him at
the time, I don't remember who was who he really
worked for. And the reason that the question was asked
that way is because Lebron's original initial contract with the
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Nike was more than the Cleveland Cavaliers were paying him
because of the salary cap structure, and so the question was,
who do you really work for? The Cavs are Nike
and I remember Lebron laughing and saying both.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Like that is such a real.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Part of what happens for athletes of different portions of
their career. You know, It's just it's funny trying to
figure out what the appropriate value because like, look, the
Tennessee Titans have the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Nobody gives it damn because it's the Tennessee Titans. Like
if it was the Dallas Cowboys, we talk about it
every day. And cam Ward, you mentioned earlier, says, you know,
(08:50):
you don't draft me, You'll You'll remember, well, if cam
Ward was the first overall pick to you know, a
franchise that had a little bit more cachet with with casual.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Fans, it would be absolutely huge. But he won't. He's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Drafted to the Titans, which will throttle back his earning
potential for a substantial portion of his career. Like that's
real for him even as an NFL quarterback, right, It's
just he's not going to have the same level of
give a damn from casual fans everywhere because he.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Happens to be drafted by the Titans.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So like, it's interesting, every sport has certain teams, certain brands,
certain players that certainly surpass what the market value is,
and there's never gonna be a way to get it
right with Kaitlyn. Caitlyn will always be a bigger star
than the financials will justify for the sport that she plays.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Absolutely shout out to our colleague over here, Arnie Spaniard
in the Fox Sports Radio Family. He just texted me
and said it was a great point. It was impossible
to pay Yao ming what he was worth the international
money he brought in. Great point, right you start thinking
about these international stars, think about each row or right
(09:59):
now Otani, think about the money that he means internationally
for Major League Baseball. It's astounding. And he I was
gonna say, he makes he's going to make tons of
money like ten years from now with these deferred payments,
which is crazy. But you know he's making around what
(10:19):
seven hundred million dollars I think fits and that's huge money.
But you start thinking about what he actually means for
Major League Baseball, that's a bargain. Really, that's a bargain
what he means on that international scale. So it's crazy
to think about it from that standpoint. I never really
thought about contracts like that, like, yeah, this is a
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huge chunk of change what mahomes or Lebron or what
Otani makes, But what they mean to the sport and
the money that they actually bring in is far greater
than those contracts.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, the revenue generation generating of somebody like Showhy.
You got to think about the amount of people all
over the globe that are buying Dodgers gear. But then
you also got to think about the international TV rights packages.
And you know, again, when people are watching things, advertisers
pay more. So now you've got international TV and international
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advertisers that are funneling money to Major League Baseball because
people in their respective country are watching at this point
just to watch show Hey. And that's that's just that
hits on such a different level. The money on that
that sort of a deal is so substantial that, yeah,
one hundred percent. If you know the old you got
to spend money to make money, Well, the Dodgers certainly
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can be in part comfortable spending whatever it takes on show, hey,
because they can afford it, number one, But number two,
they're able to leverage more and get more back from
it because they're in that situation Like I just the
Brewers weren't going to be able to spend what it
would take upfront to be able to see the return
on investment from it from the backside, right, And so
the Dodgers can. And that's that's why it becomes what
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it is.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, no doubt about that. And this is to your point.
This is part of the Caitlin Clark story where there
was a person from Indiana University Columbus and they calculated
what Caitlin Clark was responsible for, like what did she
mean to the city of Indianapolis. The economic impact was
about thirty six million dollars this per person calculated and
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almost for the WNBA almost twenty seven percent of the
WNBA's economic activity for the twenty twenty four season. That
includes attendance, merchandise, sales, and television. You're talking almost twenty
seven percent of all Think about that attendance, merchandise, sales, television,
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all of that twenty seven percent of all of that
money coming in, and she's making seventy eight thousand dollars
per year. That's insane, Like, I don't know, man, I
know she's right, the agent is right. Caitlin's never gonna
get like financial what she's worth for the league. But
again it's a bad argument. She should be arguing YO,
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this television contract, she's got to be making a bigger cut.
Like your music guy fits, what would your band make
percentage wise? If you played a concert, right, you go
to an arena, do you know what percentage it was? Roughly?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So no, I mean it doesn't the music business doesn't
really work that way.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
But I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Like, the interesting thing is, like, you know, I came
up in country music, and it's funny because in country
you can have ten fifteen number ones, that's not an exaggeration,
and you're still going to struggle to sell out a
lot of arenas for a lot of people like it.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Just it takes a long time.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
To get to the point that you can ticket and
make a ton of money, Like that's just it's not
real for most artists.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
You have to have a ton of number ones.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And we always used to laugh about it when you
would see pop acts that barely have one number one,
and they're selling out arenas immediately, you know, like we
we watched I've Got a good friend that for a
long time was the merch guy for one one Direction,
and it was amazing, you know, to see one Direction
go from in one year playing you know, tiny rooms
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to all of a sudden playing arenas to playing football
stadiums in twelve months. And you know, when I left
the Vampario, we had the number four song of all time.
If I Got Young was the number four song of
all time in country. And it's still to try and
go in and play an arena, man, you had to
have a couple of other acts with you, Like, it's
just it's amazing how different the economics and country music are.
Fart every when people talk about the humility of country artists,
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and in part it's largely because the economics for many
country artists are nowhere near what they are for pop artists.
So you know, how it works is really complicated, but
just monetarily, Like, yeah, there's sort of a WNBA versus
NBA compound right where you know in the w you
can be the biggest of the big and look at
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artists like little Big Town that are you know, one
of the best in singing groups in history and country
music and Little Big Town still like they don't go
out and play twenty thousand seed arenas every night by themselves.
They just they can't. They have to be with other
acts to do it. And that's just that's real in countries.
So yeah, there are some comparisons for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah. So that's the thing is, let's say pop that's
like the NBA and they're selling out arenas, you know
what I'm saying, Like, think of music, you're doing stadium tours, right,
whatever act there is, let's just call it, I don't know,
fifty percent, just for the sake of being simple here, right,
you make fifty percent of whatever you bring in as
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the music, as the artist or the band, what have you,
the act. It's like, Okay, it's going to be a
smaller scale for the WNBA, no doubt, but you got
to argue the same percentage, you know what I mean.
Like in my argument, if I'm Caitlin's agent, is this
television money has gone up significantly, we need to be
making the same percentage, you know whatever, if it's fifty percent,
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we need to be making the same percentage. And percentage wise,
that equals more than seventy eight thousand dollars for the
twenty twenty five season. You know, like they there's I
don't know all the ins and outs of the new CBA,
but I know with the boom, with the television money,
with the attendance going up league wide, like these women
got to be making more money than they are the
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unrivaled league. They're making on average about two hundred and
twenty thousand dollars per year like the WNBA, with the
television money and with the attendants, like they got to
be making more than they are. I just don't understand
how the contracts are that low. There's way too low.
It's not gonna be like Luka Doncic money. I'm not
arguing that, but scale wise, percentage wise, it will equal
(16:46):
more than seventy eight thousand dollars per year. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, the scale in percentage, by the way, I think
is a huge part of what we have to remember.
Because everybody wants to make the NBA and the WNBA,
you know, they want to turn this into the wrong argument.
When you hear players say we want what's fair. From
the WNBA standpoint, I have to remind everybody that what
they're talking about isn't just dollars and cents. It's percentage
of revenue, it's percentage of these deals. You know, that's
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all part of what the collective bargaining agreement is supposed
to work out.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And so I just don't think.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I don't think it's great for any sport, whether we're
talking about the WNBA or whether we're talking about MLS.
I don't think it's great for any sport if your
biggest stars need other income streams to turn around and
actually make life viable.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Like that does.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's not a glowing endorsement of where your sport is.
And I think the WNBA, especially as they continue to
expand the w should be in a situation where part
of what they're doing is trying to figure out how
to take better care of the people to play so
that they can actually worry about being WNBA stars year
round for their livelihood.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
No doubt. It's like old school NFL, right where you're
yep and the off season I'm a brick layer, you know,
It's like that day and age is so long ago
to your point, right, like if Caitlin didn't have a
like a Nike shoe deal, and on that contract that
there's a reason why Brittany Grinder was going to Russia,
you know what I mean, Like you gotta make some
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cash in the off season. So yeah, it's crazy how
that works out.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
He's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian No. We're in for two
Pros and a Cup of Joe coming up next. Fits
made the most outrageous statement via text just a few
minutes ago. Okay, and I am going to bring these
texts to light because they need to be brought to light.
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Speaker 2 (18:54):
He's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian No. In for two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio. We're coming
to you live from the tyrack dot Com studios. You know, Fits,
we were just talking about bad songs you know that
are hits and stuff like that, and you you hit
(19:16):
me on text that you think this Katy Perry song
is terrible. I Kissed the Girl you're not a fan
of this song is catchy? You kidding me? I love
this song song socks. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Like look, Songs appealing to just the carnal impulses of
the listener have been around forever, like the The Vinyls.
You know, when I was a kid, the Di Vinyls
song I don't like anybody else wanted to think about it.
I touched myself, couldn't think of the name of it.
Like all right, I'm used to this, like Madonna writhing
(19:51):
around on stage for like a virgin, Like those were
still really good songs, that that one.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I just everything about I Kissed the Girls just makes
me roll my eyes. Really yeah, I'm not buying it.
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah. I like the melody is good, it's catchy. My
favorite part is it felt so wrong, it felt so right.
The conundrum right there. You know, I still taste that
cherry chapstick. Okay, how can you dislike that?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Line?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Too?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Fits is a great line. Great point by Loraina right there.
I vote thumbs up on that song.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Look.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
The other part of it that I just think is
funny is that Katy Perry was known for many years
before she was Katy Perry as Little Katy Perry, when
she was Christian artist doing like all of the Christian music,
and then all of a sudden, it was like, you
know what I want to do here is make some money.
So I kissed the girl and I liked it, like
it just the over And I don't know, I just
I never really.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Bought into it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It just seems like she was doing a nice job
of playing a character. And Okay, yeah, you know that
doesn't long term doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't fair enough. You will see this and you
know this fits. You'll see this many different times. You
would love I don't. You might have checked this out before,
but have you ever seen sonic ways like the like
the television version of it. It's a Foo Fighters album,
but they did sort of like a like a TV
thing out of it. Have you are you familiar with
(21:11):
that at all?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I've not seen the TV.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you would love it, man, So what they did,
they would go to it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I did see this. I did.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm googling it as you're saying. They went to different cities. Yeah, yeah,
I remember this distinctly. Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They Yeah, they'd go to different cities and tell a
lot of the history of the music scene in that
city and tell a bunch of stories. But one of
them was Nashville, right, and they they were talking about
some of the storylines there. Dolly Parton was a big
part of that, and they showed Willie Nelson, and Willie
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Nelson back in the day was just like clean cut,
kind of nerdy, you know, like didn't have the long hair,
and he just became Willie Nelson, you know what I mean.
So there are a lot of artists that start out
one way and not quite working. Help Pantera, love my
metal scene over here fits but Pantera heavy band. But
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back in the day there was almost like glam rock,
you know, and they're like, all right, this isn't quite working.
All of a sudden, they're like brutal guitar riffs, and
so that happens a lot in the music scene.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, but I think there's a difference between you know what,
I've run this course and I'm just gonna go be
me versus I've run this course and I'm just gonna
go be a manufactured you know records.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, I just I hear you.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Think there's a difference, like I I think, you know,
because look, partying with Willy Nelson is on my life list.
I'm running out of time, Willy, don't don't, don't, don't
do anything like I want to party with you, buddy,
Like that was always like, its just going on Willy's
bus and smoking with Willy is one of the things
in life I hope that I can accomplish some day.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But that's also like that, that's very authentic to to
Willie Nelson, Like that's you know, I think. I think
there's a difference between eventually throwing your hands up and saying,
you know what, I'm just to be the most authentic
version of me versus hey, this really isn't taken.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Off, so let's go. Let's go play a part.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Like I think that you could argue in many ways.
For example, Kesha was playing a part for a second,
although I really like a lot of that Kesher music,
and when she came out and did the sort of
I want to remind the world that I'm actually this
emotional singer. You know, I think she was probably in
a more true version of herself. I don't necessarily think.
I think Katie was just being a little bit more
(23:28):
of a manufacturer. You know, Hey, this will sell me
a bunch of records, so I will do this, which
is part of why I think that. You know, frankly,
Katy Perry hasn't. You know, maintaining in the music business
takes a lot of authenticity to everybody in the process,
and I don't I don't. I think part of the
reason that Katy has sort of dipped off is because
the stick ran ran cold, which at some point happens
(23:49):
when I think you're a stick.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah it's Katy.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Hey, I get what you're saying. I do. And to
your point, it sucks when you might come out with
the truer version of your self and the public's like, nap,
thumbs down. We like the other version. You're like, Okay,
I guess that's what I have to do. Elvis wanted
to be a gospel guy. Think about that. Like, Elvis
was all into gospel music, and you know, he was
(24:15):
successful to a degree, but it wasn't going to be
the same the same thing with uh, like with Jamie
Fox doing the movie Ray. You know, like you think
about Ray Charles and he was taking gospel music and
kind of like, you know, reving it up, if you will,
and a lot of people had a huge problem with that.
(24:36):
You know. It's just I don't know, we go down
the music rabbit hole there. It's always interesting, how yeah,
maybe not your true self is going to be as
marketable as like the other made up version of yourself.
And when you push the boundaries of some music that
have some like deep history and deep roots, not everybody's
(24:57):
going to be receptive to it. So that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Fine, how that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think, Like sometimes you just you know, I do
feel for a lot of artists as they grow up
and evolve and want to do different things, you know,
And that's that's one of the curiosities of the music business.
It's like, I don't know what the music I liked
when I was twenty was different than the music I
liked when I was thirty, is different than the music
that I like today, you know, I think, I think
the evolution of what I'm into is something that I'm
(25:22):
proud of. I constantly listen to everything so that I
can try and stay as current as possible. But I
think that you know, that evolution is one of the
things that's weird about the music business because once you
start to have success, imagine as as a basketball player
as a football player, the more you widen your skill set,
the more we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Love and appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
In the music business, it feels like once you've done
one thing, you know, Shaboozie puts out one song that
becomes massive, yeah, and then everything sort of feels like.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That one song over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
If Shaboozie comes out tomorrow and does a total different
think piece record, everybody's going to turn around be like,
what is he doing versus you know, if you're a
great player, that turns out it's like, oh, well, look
he spent the whole season offseason working on his jumper.
Look at that, like he's got a new element to
his game. Nobody wants new elements to what musicians do.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think that's a yeah. I think it's it's funny,
right because I go back to that movie Ray again
where Ray had a certain music style, and remember a
part of that movie where he was singing. It was
almost like a ballad, you know, and it was just
so different, and it was unsuccessful at first, and then
it was successful. The point is when when artists or
(26:34):
bands do a completely different version and are successful, and
that crossed over to Beyonce doing a country thing, you
know and being massively successful. Man, that's when you have
true reach because your right fits. Oftentimes we get used
to I hated listen. I love old school Metallica. When
they came out with Until It Sleeps. After a few
(26:55):
years and the last thing I knew was the Black album,
I'm like, what the hell is this? What is this?
You know? It was like the ultimate sellout thing. But
and I've come around a bit on a few songs
post Black album. But the point is when you can
come out with something completely different than what you're known
for and be successful in that area too, you have
(27:20):
true reach because you're right. Oftentimes we're like, we're not
used to this. What's this? You're the this band, You're
the this act, not the that act. And there have
been a handful that have been able to do it
in a few different genres. But that's that's rare, and
that's special. When you're able to do that, I think.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You also have to be firmly rooted somewhere and then
show people your range, as opposed to so often if
your first record feels one way and your second record
feels another way, and your third record feels another way,
people start to just lose sight of what you think
your identity is.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
But use Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I'd also say Post Malone like a shout out to
a bunch of my friends that worked on both of
those records out in Nashville. And you know, I think
if your Post you you know, you really committed to
coming out with something that speaks to a different part
of what you do musically. And it was great. By
the way, anyone that didn't go see the last tour,
you should. The way the band did a lot of
(28:16):
those pop songs with like a country feel was really cool.
And Post is a great example of that. It's just
really hard to find, you know. I think you have
to be really cemented and rooted somewhere and then people
respect for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But if you if you don't have that basic foundation.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
First, then everybody then all of a sudden you're a
genre shifter, and for whatever reason, that just doesn't seem
to work as much.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Totally agree with you, there no doubt. All Right, it
is two pros and a cup of Joe. He's Jason Fitz,
I'm Brian. No, we're in for the guys here on
Fox Sports Radio. How about this, let me throw something
football wise your way fits. So Netflix, you hear about
this Netflix? Who had the Christmas Day game that I
thought was pretty successful. Did they have one just one
(29:02):
of those games? Do you remember? It was the Chiefs game,
Chiefs at the Steelers, that was on Netflix. But anyway,
they're thinking beyond that. They're thinking about one of the
early Sunday afternoon They're thinking about Sunday afternoon, those slate
of games. That's what they want. Because initially it was thought, hey,
(29:23):
they might be interested in, say the international series, these
really early games. Maybe those beyond Netflix. They're like, now
we're looking at Sunday afternoon games. So think about that.
That's CBS, that's Fox, and now Netflix has some major
interest in maybe bidding on those. The deal runs through
(29:45):
twenty thirty three, but the NFL they could actually change
that if they wanted to four years earlier, So this
could be you know, twenty twenty nine. We're talking four
years from now, could you imagine if it's Fox in
Netflix instead of Fox and CBS or you know, Fox
gets pushed out. We saw this in the NBA. TNT
(30:07):
was like, hey, contract, we can renew right, and the
NBA is like, nope, no, We're going streaming. Like so
this could be a real thing in the not too
distant future where your NFL Sundays but one of those
major like the AFC or the NFC is on Netflix.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I hate everything about that, mostly because the advantage that
Netflix has and Prime has during their broadcast is that
you truly become beholden to that one's service. You can't
just flip around, you know. And that's one of the
things that you know, I watch on YouTube TV, right,
so I have the quad box usually up and multiple
TVs so I can watch eight games, nine games at once,
(30:47):
whatever you need to watch, right, And that's that's sort
of the easiest way for me to consume. When you
are consuming within an app, you lose the ability to
just bounce from game to game to game to game
if you want to you because you're you're in a
different apps. So, like, that's one thing that to me
has always stood out. You know, if you're watching on
Christmas Day, if you were watching, you couldn't just flip
(31:08):
over to the NBA. You would have to open a
total different app get into that app. It makes it
really clunky to try and just go over during the
commercial breaks and see a little bit. So I think
having Netflix be a part of If they wanted the
International Series and they had the whatever ten am Eastern
game every Sunday, great because there's only one game. You
can have that one game. If they had a night
(31:28):
game during the week, package, sure there's one game that
makes total sense. Even if they turned the Monday night
football into a double header and only made me decide
between those two games, that would make sense. But if
you put it at one o'clock or four o'clock Eastern time,
what you're really doing is you're taking away the ability
for everybody to just flip from game to game to
game to game, and that to me is just catastrophic
(31:49):
to the way that we watch and the way that
we consume football.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I think it'd be terrible for the league.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I hate the idea. Listen. I know streaming is just
going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and I'm
not against all things streaming, but you mentioned one keyword
right there fits, which is flip. I missed the ability
to flip channels so much. It's a whole thing to
go from your streaming something and you just want to
(32:13):
stream something else, You know what I mean. It's it's
not like hitting the flashback button on your remote control.
You know it's got there gotta be some kind of
advancements in streaming where you're able to do close to
the equivalent of flipping channels. It's a whole thing to
back out of one and okay, I gotta go over here.
(32:33):
It's like it takes you a couple of minutes to
go from one to the other. It can't be like
that on stream. We gotta fine tune that should we
not fits. We gotta be able to flip better via streaming.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I mean, I had somebody I worked with a couple
of years ago say I just want one guide that
takes all of my streaming things and puts them in
one place and lets me go from app to app
app seamlessly. And I'm like, you're describing cable. The very
thing is that everybody's like, I don't want it's exactly
what cable and is. Streaming services continue to amp up
the prices more and more and more. I just I'm
(33:04):
one of the few that looks around and says, hey, man,
I'm left to wonder in five years if we're not
gonna all be plugged back in, because at some point
it just becomes cheaper. You know, you look at the
cost to again. I mentioned you know, for me watching
is a YouTube TV user. My cost has gone up
so much in the last three years alone that you're
going to reach the spot where you're like, okay, maybe
(33:24):
it just makes more sense to just go back to cable.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I wonder if that's where we're gonna end up.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You might you might be right about that. I think
a lot of people are gonna come to that realization.
All right, he's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian.
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the way, post Malone, you're a fan right there. Talented
guy man, very talented guy Luka Doncic. So I'm just
(35:06):
laughing because there's another story coming out on the lack
of conditioning as uh Luka Doncic is not you know,
a workout warrior if you will. Okay, so of course
we know about the trade traded to the Lakers, and
then there's this story that just comes out thanks to
the Athletic where back in November, Luca had a five
(35:30):
game absence and it was aimed at improving his conditioning. Okay,
he was out with the MAVs announced a right wrist sprain,
and it says the entry classification was not entirely true.
In reality, Doncic was supposed to use time off to
improve his conditioning, team sources said, And to me, this
(35:53):
reads where the MAVs are just trying to save face.
Granted this might have been one of their reasons to
make the trade. They should have gotten back a whole
lot more than they got back, But it's just another
one of these stories where I don't think he just
falls from the skies just out of the blue. It's
aimed at we're trying to look better here why we
(36:16):
did this, and I don't think it makes them look
better at all. We know Luca is not a workout warrior,
and I do wonder how much more special he could
be if he fully committed himself. But with that not
being the case, he's still incredibly productive. Yeah, being a
little bit dowe. He's still a first team All NBA
guy each of the last five years. So why are
(36:38):
we making such a huge deal out of this conditioning?
If this was Zion and he's missing games left and
right and he's not as productive as you hoped, he
would be, not nearly as productive, that'd be one thing.
Zion hasn't made first team All NBA each of the
last five years, it would apply to him. It doesn't
apply to Luca nearly as much. The MAVs are just
(37:01):
banging this drum like, yeah, but lack of conditioning. Yeah,
he's still balling out with his lack of conditioning, and
that's what truly matters here.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But the other side of it is money being spent
isn't spent on what you've done in sports. It's spent
on what they think you will do in sports. Right, So,
no matter what Luca has done, before they make their
three hundred and whatever fifty million dollar investment, they got
to look in the mirror and ask themselves, is this
(37:30):
going to turn out?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Well?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Are we about to spend good money? And I think
the reason you're continually hearing this is that the MAVs
want to remind you that they don't feel like spending
that money moving forward was going to be right for them.
And look, I continually go, I agree with you. They
should have gotten more back in return, and it seems
like it was shortsighted to do the trade the way
they did it. That being said, I don't believe the
(37:53):
Mavericks are incompetent, and to let Luca go if they
thought there was any chance that they could get through
to him would be a level of gross negligence and
incompetence that I just don't think that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't think they're that poorly run.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So the MAVs are telling this this repeatedly, I think
because they want us to understand that they looked at
their player and said, Nope, there is nothing that's going
to get through to him. Like there is, in my mind,
no way that the MAVs trade him in conference for
lesser return if they believe that there's any chance anybody's
(38:27):
getting through to him, And whether it's Luca the personality,
or whether it's just Luca culturally, whether it's and you
know the whole image of Luca having the beer that
everybody's freaking out about At some point they looked at
it and said, no, matter what he's done, we don't
believe that this is sustainable because he won't take care
of himself, and so they made that decision. So I
(38:47):
think the reason we keep hearing this is because they
want to remind you that he will not take care
of himself moving forward.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
They strongly believe that.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Man, I'm on the opposite side of you on this one,
which is fine, but I think this is cot negligence.
They've called their shot, and if they turn out to
be right, this will be the call of calls. But
I just you had to get more than they got.
That's what I keep coming back to, and I hear
you they might look at this and say, hey, long term,
(39:15):
we just don't think it's gonna work out and end
up in the place that we want it to with
this type of financial commitment. Okay, I get that, but
they still should have gotten way more. You've seen players
like Rudy gobaer right and mckel bridges and k Deep
fetch way more than Luka Doncicch. You know, in the
(39:36):
first two examples are the best ones. So they should
have gotten more than they got for the guy that
won't change, but we'll see going forward. I look at
it positively. If Luca has been playing at this level
and he hasn't been fully committed to conditioning, what's he
capable of going forward? Like, it's not like he was
(39:57):
fully committed in just this last season he dropped off
and they're like, whoa, where's this heading? He's never been
fully committed workout why? So I'm actually optimistic he's not
going to be falling off at all. I think they
completely botched this whole thing now.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
See.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I take the opposite on this. I think that the
MAVs just look at it and realize, hey man, if
it's bad, now, what's it? How bad is it going
to be in a couple of years. Yeah, if he's
already not taking care of himself, my god, what's going
to happen if he gets dowier and older and his
knees get worse and like we put we put all
this money into it. I think the MAVs are confident
he's lost.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
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right fits. So Caitlin Clark's agent made a statement that
caught my attention where she says this is aaron Kin, right,
(01:18):
So Aaron Kin she represents Caitlin Clark and some other
WNBA stars. It's part of Excel Sports Management. But Aaron
Kain says it's impossible to pay Caitlin Clark her true
WNBA value. And I thought that was an interesting statement
because I think it goes beyond the WNBA. We'll stick
(01:41):
with the WNBA for a second, but how crazy is
this Where Caitlin is set to make for the twenty
twenty five season seventy eight thousand dollars. That's ther WNBA
paycheck fits How can that be? But it's an interesting
statement to say it's impossible to pay her her true
(02:05):
WNBA value, And you start thinking about My mind went
immediately to the NBA, and we'll bring it back to
the WNBA. But think on a greater scale where you
see some of these contracts. We just saw the Dallas
Mavericks in part we believe trade Luka Doncic because they
didn't want to pay the supermax three hundred and forty
(02:27):
five million dollar price tag, right, And you start thinking, man,
three hundred and forty five million dollars, that's huge money,
But start thinking about the value to the league. You
could argue Luka Doncic or other players Lebron James, Steph
Curry as much money as Steph Curry makes. He's made
(02:48):
more money for the NBA than he makes himself, you
know what I mean. Like, so when you start thinking
about that, especially with these NBA contracts, huge money, and
you're like, wow, man, that's a lot of money. If
you stop and think, and I never did before, what's
their true value for the NBA? Would they? Can you
(03:09):
pay Lebron like annually what he's worth for the NBA?
No way. So I thought that was an interesting way
to say it by the agent, but maybe not the
greatest statement because you can't do that in the NBA
on a far greater scale.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
There.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Caitlin's making peanuts at seventy eight thousand dollars. That's crazy.
Something's got to change as far as that goes.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Yeah, And this is where so many people will come
in and try and downplay the value of some of
these athletes, and I'll just remind everybody. So I looked
it up here and it looks like, according to the
most recent article I can find here that you know
we're talking about, you know, roughly one point five million
people watching on an average regular season basketball game, So
(03:54):
here's what we know. That number is higher for certain brands.
The Lakers attract ratings. The reason that people talk about
the Lakers so much is because people watch it. So
it's not an accident. And you know, I'll go back
to First Take and shows like that on ESPN, they
study the metrics every day. So when you ask yourself
why these TV shows only talk about the Lakers and
(04:14):
the Cowboys, it's because they get daily numbers every day
that shows it. When they talk about the Lakers and
the Cowboys, more people watch. That might be unbelievable to
you listening, but it's real. So when you think about
what the value is of certain athletes, I mean you
can do this in the NFL too, Like what's the.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
True value of Patrick Mahomes? Just is it?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Is it really forty fifty million dollars d Like if
there was no salary cap and you were just saying, okay,
every time the Chiefs are on TV, you know, twenty
thirty forty fifty million people watch depending.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
On what the day is.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Right, So right, what's the value of that in modern sports?
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Like?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
The reason that sports the reason the NBA, for example,
just did a historic new TV deal is because advertisers
understand that the only thing left that you can't simply
record and skip through the commercials on are live sports.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You watch them live. You're captivated by it live.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
You got to see the scoring as it happens. As
a result, you have a captive audience, which is why
advertisers are paying more than ever to get advertisements on it.
And so we see here all day long talk about well,
ratings are down, ratings are down, ratings down, it doesn't matter.
Money's up because advertisers understand that this is a captive audience.
So if advertisers understand that, what's the real value of Lebron?
(05:30):
I can't even imagine what's the real value of Golden State.
We talked about them earlier, Like if we just looked
at value, Oklahoma City has very little because the common
fan that doesn't give a damn is rarely tuning in
to Oklahoma City right now. But the Lakers and Lebron
have a ton because common fans will just sit there
and watch anything that the Lakers and Lebron are on.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
So yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Alarming when you think about the face of different sports.
I don't think that you could put a price tag
on what most of them. If there was no salary
cap and no tax bracket caps, they could get whatever
they want. Like, if it were true free market, it'd
be insane to see how much Lebron would.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Make, no doubt. Right, yeah, you start thinking about that.
Think about the NFL media rights deals, right where all
these different television companies and you put all that money
in one category, it's billions and billions of dollars. You
start thinking about the top stars, the high end, the
mahomes and right, like, what they mean for the league
(06:34):
financially is way more than what they get paid. And
that's why I think it's a bad argument from Caitlin's agents.
That shouldn't be the argument. She's right that Caitlin will
never make her true WNBA value, But how does that
help her get more money? You know what I'm saying, Like,
(06:54):
that's a good point, But how does that help your
client get more cash that she did. That's why it's like, hey,
good point, but that doesn't help your client. That's why
it's a bad argument. You know, Like the WNBA they
announced last year, it's eleven year media rights deal, and
that's valued at about two point two billion dollars. So
(07:16):
it's about two hundred million dollars per year, right, right,
this is huge. It was you know, sixty million dollars
per year. Now it's two hundred million dollars per year.
To me, the better argument from that agent is, yo,
we just have a new media rights deal. It's worth
one hundred and forty million dollars more per year than
it was. How is Caitlin Clark only making seventy eight
(07:40):
thousand dollars per year? Still with that in mind, right,
Like that to me helps your client. It puts her
in a better position to make more money instead of
she's never gonna get her true value. It's like, yeah, right,
but how does that help exactly? I don't think it
does at all.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yeah, and it's it gets it gets complicated because certain
only Caitlyn has a million other ways to make money.
But I remember when Lebron was first drafted. I saw
an interview his rookie year and somebody asked him at
the time, I don't remember who was who he really
worked for. And the reason that the question was asked
that way is because Lebron's original initial contract with the
(08:18):
Nike was more than the Cleveland Cavaliers were paying him
because of the salary cap structure, and so the question was,
who do you really work for? The Cavs are Nike
and I remember Lebron laughing and saying both.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Like that is such a real.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Part of what happens for athletes of different portions of
their career. You know, It's just it's funny trying to
figure out what the appropriate value because like, look, the
Tennessee Titans have the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Nobody gives it damn because it's the Tennessee Titans. Like
if it was the Dallas Cowboys, we talk about it
every day. And cam Ward, you mentioned earlier, says, you know,
(08:50):
you don't draft me, You'll You'll remember, well, if cam
Ward was the first overall pick to you know, a
franchise that had a little bit more cachet with with casual.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Fans, it would be absolutely huge. But he won't. He's
going to be.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Drafted to the Titans, which will throttle back his earning
potential for a substantial portion of his career. Like that's
real for him even as an NFL quarterback, right, It's
just he's not going to have the same level of
give a damn from casual fans everywhere because he.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Happens to be drafted by the Titans.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So like, it's interesting, every sport has certain teams, certain brands,
certain players that certainly surpass what the market value is,
and there's never gonna be a way to get it
right with Kaitlyn. Caitlyn will always be a bigger star
than the financials will justify for the sport that she plays.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Absolutely shout out to our colleague over here, Arnie Spaniard
in the Fox Sports Radio Family. He just texted me
and said it was a great point. It was impossible
to pay Yao ming what he was worth the international
money he brought in. Great point, right you start thinking
about these international stars, think about each row or right
(09:59):
now Otani, think about the money that he means internationally
for Major League Baseball. It's astounding. And he I was
gonna say, he makes he's going to make tons of
money like ten years from now with these deferred payments,
which is crazy. But you know he's making around what
(10:19):
seven hundred million dollars I think fits and that's huge money.
But you start thinking about what he actually means for
Major League Baseball, that's a bargain. Really, that's a bargain
what he means on that international scale. So it's crazy
to think about it from that standpoint. I never really
thought about contracts like that, like, yeah, this is a
(10:40):
huge chunk of change what mahomes or Lebron or what
Otani makes, But what they mean to the sport and
the money that they actually bring in is far greater
than those contracts.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I mean, the revenue generation generating of somebody like Showhy.
You got to think about the amount of people all
over the globe that are buying Dodgers gear. But then
you also got to think about the international TV rights packages.
And you know, again, when people are watching things, advertisers
pay more. So now you've got international TV and international
(11:15):
advertisers that are funneling money to Major League Baseball because
people in their respective country are watching at this point
just to watch show Hey. And that's that's just that
hits on such a different level. The money on that
that sort of a deal is so substantial that, yeah,
one hundred percent. If you know the old you got
to spend money to make money, Well, the Dodgers certainly
(11:37):
can be in part comfortable spending whatever it takes on show, hey,
because they can afford it, number one, But number two,
they're able to leverage more and get more back from
it because they're in that situation Like I just the
Brewers weren't going to be able to spend what it
would take upfront to be able to see the return
on investment from it from the backside, right, And so
the Dodgers can. And that's that's why it becomes what
(11:58):
it is.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah, no doubt about that. And this is to your point.
This is part of the Caitlin Clark story where there
was a person from Indiana University Columbus and they calculated
what Caitlin Clark was responsible for, like what did she
mean to the city of Indianapolis. The economic impact was
about thirty six million dollars this per person calculated and
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almost for the WNBA almost twenty seven percent of the
WNBA's economic activity for the twenty twenty four season. That
includes attendance, merchandise, sales, and television. You're talking almost twenty
seven percent of all Think about that attendance, merchandise, sales, television,
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all of that twenty seven percent of all of that
money coming in, and she's making seventy eight thousand dollars
per year. That's insane, Like, I don't know, man, I
know she's right, the agent is right. Caitlin's never gonna
get like financial what she's worth for the league. But
again it's a bad argument. She should be arguing YO,
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this television contract, she's got to be making a bigger cut.
Like your music guy fits, what would your band make
percentage wise? If you played a concert, right, you go
to an arena, do you know what percentage it was? Roughly?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So no, I mean it doesn't the music business doesn't
really work that way.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
But I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Like, the interesting thing is, like, you know, I came
up in country music, and it's funny because in country
you can have ten fifteen number ones, that's not an exaggeration,
and you're still going to struggle to sell out a
lot of arenas for a lot of people like it.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Just it takes a long time.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
To get to the point that you can ticket and
make a ton of money, Like that's just it's not
real for most artists.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
You have to have a ton of number ones.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And we always used to laugh about it when you
would see pop acts that barely have one number one,
and they're selling out arenas immediately, you know, like we
we watched I've Got a good friend that for a
long time was the merch guy for one one Direction,
and it was amazing, you know, to see one Direction
go from in one year playing you know, tiny rooms
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to all of a sudden playing arenas to playing football
stadiums in twelve months. And you know, when I left
the Vampario, we had the number four song of all time.
If I Got Young was the number four song of
all time in country. And it's still to try and
go in and play an arena, man, you had to
have a couple of other acts with you, Like, it's
just it's amazing how different the economics and country music are.
Fart every when people talk about the humility of country artists,
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and in part it's largely because the economics for many
country artists are nowhere near what they are for pop artists.
So you know, how it works is really complicated, but
just monetarily, Like, yeah, there's sort of a WNBA versus
NBA compound right where you know in the w you
can be the biggest of the big and look at
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artists like little Big Town that are you know, one
of the best in singing groups in history and country
music and Little Big Town still like they don't go
out and play twenty thousand seed arenas every night by themselves.
They just they can't. They have to be with other
acts to do it. And that's just that's real in countries.
So yeah, there are some comparisons for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah. So that's the thing is, let's say pop that's
like the NBA and they're selling out arenas, you know
what I'm saying, Like, think of music, you're doing stadium tours, right,
whatever act there is, let's just call it, I don't know,
fifty percent, just for the sake of being simple here, right,
you make fifty percent of whatever you bring in as
(15:38):
the music, as the artist or the band, what have you,
the act. It's like, Okay, it's going to be a
smaller scale for the WNBA, no doubt, but you got
to argue the same percentage, you know what I mean.
Like in my argument, if I'm Caitlin's agent, is this
television money has gone up significantly, we need to be
making the same percentage, you know whatever, if it's fifty percent,
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we need to be making the same percentage. And percentage wise,
that equals more than seventy eight thousand dollars for the
twenty twenty five season. You know, like they there's I
don't know all the ins and outs of the new CBA,
but I know with the boom, with the television money,
with the attendance going up league wide, like these women
got to be making more money than they are the
(16:22):
unrivaled league. They're making on average about two hundred and
twenty thousand dollars per year like the WNBA, with the
television money and with the attendants, like they got to
be making more than they are. I just don't understand
how the contracts are that low. There's way too low.
It's not gonna be like Luka Doncic money. I'm not
arguing that, but scale wise, percentage wise, it will equal
(16:46):
more than seventy eight thousand dollars per year. That's insane.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Yeah, the scale in percentage, by the way, I think
is a huge part of what we have to remember.
Because everybody wants to make the NBA and the WNBA,
you know, they want to turn this into the wrong argument.
When you hear players say we want what's fair. From
the WNBA standpoint, I have to remind everybody that what
they're talking about isn't just dollars and cents. It's percentage
of revenue, it's percentage of these deals. You know, that's
(17:13):
all part of what the collective bargaining agreement is supposed
to work out.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
And so I just don't think.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I don't think it's great for any sport, whether we're
talking about the WNBA or whether we're talking about MLS.
I don't think it's great for any sport if your
biggest stars need other income streams to turn around and
actually make life viable.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Like that does.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
That's not a glowing endorsement of where your sport is.
And I think the WNBA, especially as they continue to
expand the w should be in a situation where part
of what they're doing is trying to figure out how
to take better care of the people to play so
that they can actually worry about being WNBA stars year
round for their livelihood.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
No doubt. It's like old school NFL, right where you're
yep and the off season I'm a brick layer, you know,
It's like that day and age is so long ago
to your point, right, like if Caitlin didn't have a
like a Nike shoe deal, and on that contract that
there's a reason why Brittany Grinder was going to Russia,
you know what I mean, Like you gotta make some
(18:12):
cash in the off season. So yeah, it's crazy how
that works out.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
All right.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
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Speaker 2 (18:54):
He's Jason Fitz, I'm Brian No. In for two Pros
and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio. We're coming
to you live from the tyrack dot Com studios. You know, Fits,
we were just talking about bad songs you know that
are hits and stuff like that, and you you hit
(19:16):
me on text that you think this Katy Perry song
is terrible. I Kissed the Girl you're not a fan
of this song is catchy? You kidding me? I love
this song song socks. That's fine.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
It's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Like look, Songs appealing to just the carnal impulses of
the listener have been around forever, like the The Vinyls.
You know, when I was a kid, the Di Vinyls
song I don't like anybody else wanted to think about it.
I touched myself, couldn't think of the name of it.
Like all right, I'm used to this, like Madonna writhing
(19:51):
around on stage for like a virgin, Like those were
still really good songs, that that one.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
I just everything about I Kissed the Girls just makes
me roll my eyes. Really yeah, I'm not buying it.
I'm not buying it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah. I like the melody is good, it's catchy. My
favorite part is it felt so wrong, it felt so right.
The conundrum right there. You know, I still taste that
cherry chapstick. Okay, how can you dislike that?
Speaker 4 (20:16):
Line?
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Too?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Fits is a great line. Great point by Loraina right there.
I vote thumbs up on that song.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Look.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
The other part of it that I just think is
funny is that Katy Perry was known for many years
before she was Katy Perry as Little Katy Perry, when
she was Christian artist doing like all of the Christian music,
and then all of a sudden, it was like, you
know what I want to do here is make some money.
So I kissed the girl and I liked it, like
it just the over And I don't know, I just
I never really.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Bought into it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
It just seems like she was doing a nice job
of playing a character. And Okay, yeah, you know that
doesn't long term doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't fair enough. You will see this and you
know this fits. You'll see this many different times. You
would love I don't. You might have checked this out before,
but have you ever seen sonic ways like the like
the television version of it. It's a Foo Fighters album,
but they did sort of like a like a TV
thing out of it. Have you are you familiar with
(21:11):
that at all?
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I've not seen the TV.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
I think you would love it, man, So what they did,
they would go to it.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
I did see this. I did.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
I'm googling it as you're saying. They went to different cities. Yeah, yeah,
I remember this distinctly. Yeah, it was really cool.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
They Yeah, they'd go to different cities and tell a
lot of the history of the music scene in that
city and tell a bunch of stories. But one of
them was Nashville, right, and they they were talking about
some of the storylines there. Dolly Parton was a big
part of that, and they showed Willie Nelson, and Willie
(21:43):
Nelson back in the day was just like clean cut,
kind of nerdy, you know, like didn't have the long hair,
and he just became Willie Nelson, you know what I mean.
So there are a lot of artists that start out
one way and not quite working. Help Pantera, love my
metal scene over here fits but Pantera heavy band. But
(22:06):
back in the day there was almost like glam rock,
you know, and they're like, all right, this isn't quite working.
All of a sudden, they're like brutal guitar riffs, and
so that happens a lot in the music scene.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, but I think there's a difference between you know what,
I've run this course and I'm just gonna go be
me versus I've run this course and I'm just gonna
go be a manufactured you know records.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, yeah, I just I hear you.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
I hear you.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Think there's a difference, like I I think, you know,
because look, partying with Willy Nelson is on my life list.
I'm running out of time, Willy, don't don't, don't, don't
do anything like I want to party with you, buddy,
Like that was always like, its just going on Willy's
bus and smoking with Willy is one of the things
in life I hope that I can accomplish some day.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
So I love that.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
But that's also like that, that's very authentic to to
Willie Nelson, Like that's you know, I think. I think
there's a difference between eventually throwing your hands up and saying,
you know what, I'm just to be the most authentic
version of me versus hey, this really isn't taken.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Off, so let's go. Let's go play a part.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Like I think that you could argue in many ways.
For example, Kesha was playing a part for a second,
although I really like a lot of that Kesher music,
and when she came out and did the sort of
I want to remind the world that I'm actually this
emotional singer. You know, I think she was probably in
a more true version of herself. I don't necessarily think.
I think Katie was just being a little bit more
(23:28):
of a manufacturer. You know, Hey, this will sell me
a bunch of records, so I will do this, which
is part of why I think that. You know, frankly,
Katy Perry hasn't. You know, maintaining in the music business
takes a lot of authenticity to everybody in the process,
and I don't I don't. I think part of the
reason that Katy has sort of dipped off is because
the stick ran ran cold, which at some point happens
(23:49):
when I think you're a stick.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah it's Katy.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Hey, I get what you're saying. I do. And to
your point, it sucks when you might come out with
the truer version of your self and the public's like, nap,
thumbs down. We like the other version. You're like, Okay,
I guess that's what I have to do. Elvis wanted
to be a gospel guy. Think about that. Like, Elvis
was all into gospel music, and you know, he was
(24:15):
successful to a degree, but it wasn't going to be
the same the same thing with uh, like with Jamie
Fox doing the movie Ray. You know, like you think
about Ray Charles and he was taking gospel music and
kind of like, you know, reving it up, if you will,
and a lot of people had a huge problem with that.
(24:36):
You know. It's just I don't know, we go down
the music rabbit hole there. It's always interesting, how yeah,
maybe not your true self is going to be as
marketable as like the other made up version of yourself.
And when you push the boundaries of some music that
have some like deep history and deep roots, not everybody's
(24:57):
going to be receptive to it. So that's kind of.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Fine, how that.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
I think, Like sometimes you just you know, I do
feel for a lot of artists as they grow up
and evolve and want to do different things, you know,
And that's that's one of the curiosities of the music business.
It's like, I don't know what the music I liked
when I was twenty was different than the music I
liked when I was thirty, is different than the music
that I like today, you know, I think, I think
the evolution of what I'm into is something that I'm
(25:22):
proud of. I constantly listen to everything so that I
can try and stay as current as possible. But I
think that you know, that evolution is one of the
things that's weird about the music business because once you
start to have success, imagine as as a basketball player
as a football player, the more you widen your skill set,
the more we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Love and appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
In the music business, it feels like once you've done
one thing, you know, Shaboozie puts out one song that
becomes massive, yeah, and then everything sort of feels like.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
That one song over and over and over again.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
If Shaboozie comes out tomorrow and does a total different
think piece record, everybody's going to turn around be like,
what is he doing versus you know, if you're a
great player, that turns out it's like, oh, well, look
he spent the whole season offseason working on his jumper.
Look at that, like he's got a new element to
his game. Nobody wants new elements to what musicians do.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I think that's a yeah. I think it's it's funny,
right because I go back to that movie Ray again
where Ray had a certain music style, and remember a
part of that movie where he was singing. It was
almost like a ballad, you know, and it was just
so different, and it was unsuccessful at first, and then
it was successful. The point is when when artists or
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bands do a completely different version and are successful, and
that crossed over to Beyonce doing a country thing, you
know and being massively successful. Man, that's when you have
true reach because your right fits. Oftentimes we get used
to I hated listen. I love old school Metallica. When
they came out with Until It Sleeps. After a few
(26:55):
years and the last thing I knew was the Black album,
I'm like, what the hell is this? What is this?
You know? It was like the ultimate sellout thing. But
and I've come around a bit on a few songs
post Black album. But the point is when you can
come out with something completely different than what you're known
for and be successful in that area too, you have
(27:20):
true reach because you're right. Oftentimes we're like, we're not
used to this. What's this? You're the this band, You're
the this act, not the that act. And there have
been a handful that have been able to do it
in a few different genres. But that's that's rare, and
that's special. When you're able to do that, I think.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
You also have to be firmly rooted somewhere and then
show people your range, as opposed to so often if
your first record feels one way and your second record
feels another way, and your third record feels another way,
people start to just lose sight of what you think
your identity is.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
But use Beyonce.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I'd also say Post Malone like a shout out to
a bunch of my friends that worked on both of
those records out in Nashville. And you know, I think
if your Post you you know, you really committed to
coming out with something that speaks to a different part
of what you do musically. And it was great. By
the way, anyone that didn't go see the last tour,
you should. The way the band did a lot of
(28:16):
those pop songs with like a country feel was really cool.
And Post is a great example of that. It's just
really hard to find, you know. I think you have
to be really cemented and rooted somewhere and then people
respect for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But if you if you don't have that basic foundation.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
First, then everybody then all of a sudden you're a
genre shifter, and for whatever reason, that just doesn't seem
to work as much.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Totally agree with you, there no doubt. All Right, it
is two pros and a cup of Joe. He's Jason Fitz,
I'm Brian. No, we're in for the guys here on
Fox Sports Radio. How about this, let me throw something
football wise your way fits. So Netflix, you hear about
this Netflix? Who had the Christmas Day game that I
thought was pretty successful. Did they have one just one
(29:02):
of those games? Do you remember? It was the Chiefs game,
Chiefs at the Steelers, that was on Netflix. But anyway,
they're thinking beyond that. They're thinking about one of the
early Sunday afternoon They're thinking about Sunday afternoon, those slate
of games. That's what they want. Because initially it was thought, hey,
(29:23):
they might be interested in, say the international series, these
really early games. Maybe those beyond Netflix. They're like, now
we're looking at Sunday afternoon games. So think about that.
That's CBS, that's Fox, and now Netflix has some major
interest in maybe bidding on those. The deal runs through
(29:45):
twenty thirty three, but the NFL they could actually change
that if they wanted to four years earlier, So this
could be you know, twenty twenty nine. We're talking four
years from now, could you imagine if it's Fox in
Netflix instead of Fox and CBS or you know, Fox
gets pushed out. We saw this in the NBA. TNT
(30:07):
was like, hey, contract, we can renew right, and the
NBA is like, nope, no, We're going streaming. Like so
this could be a real thing in the not too
distant future where your NFL Sundays but one of those
major like the AFC or the NFC is on Netflix.
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I hate everything about that, mostly because the advantage that
Netflix has and Prime has during their broadcast is that
you truly become beholden to that one's service. You can't
just flip around, you know. And that's one of the
things that you know, I watch on YouTube TV, right,
so I have the quad box usually up and multiple
TVs so I can watch eight games, nine games at once,
(30:47):
whatever you need to watch, right, And that's that's sort
of the easiest way for me to consume. When you
are consuming within an app, you lose the ability to
just bounce from game to game to game to game
if you want to you because you're you're in a
different apps. So, like, that's one thing that to me
has always stood out. You know, if you're watching on
Christmas Day, if you were watching, you couldn't just flip
(31:08):
over to the NBA. You would have to open a
total different app get into that app. It makes it
really clunky to try and just go over during the
commercial breaks and see a little bit. So I think
having Netflix be a part of If they wanted the
International Series and they had the whatever ten am Eastern
game every Sunday, great because there's only one game. You
can have that one game. If they had a night
(31:28):
game during the week, package, sure there's one game that
makes total sense. Even if they turned the Monday night
football into a double header and only made me decide
between those two games, that would make sense. But if
you put it at one o'clock or four o'clock Eastern time,
what you're really doing is you're taking away the ability
for everybody to just flip from game to game to
game to game, and that to me is just catastrophic
(31:49):
to the way that we watch and the way that
we consume football.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
I think it'd be terrible for the league.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
I hate the idea. Listen. I know streaming is just
going to get bigger and bigger and bigger and I'm
not against all things streaming, but you mentioned one keyword
right there fits, which is flip. I missed the ability
to flip channels so much. It's a whole thing to
go from your streaming something and you just want to
(32:13):
stream something else, You know what I mean. It's it's
not like hitting the flashback button on your remote control.
You know it's got there gotta be some kind of
advancements in streaming where you're able to do close to
the equivalent of flipping channels. It's a whole thing to
back out of one and okay, I gotta go over here.
(32:33):
It's like it takes you a couple of minutes to
go from one to the other. It can't be like
that on stream. We gotta fine tune that should we
not fits. We gotta be able to flip better via streaming.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
I mean, I had somebody I worked with a couple
of years ago say I just want one guide that
takes all of my streaming things and puts them in
one place and lets me go from app to app
app seamlessly. And I'm like, you're describing cable. The very
thing is that everybody's like, I don't want it's exactly
what cable and is. Streaming services continue to amp up
the prices more and more and more. I just I'm
(33:04):
one of the few that looks around and says, hey, man,
I'm left to wonder in five years if we're not
gonna all be plugged back in, because at some point
it just becomes cheaper. You know, you look at the
cost to again. I mentioned you know, for me watching
is a YouTube TV user. My cost has gone up
so much in the last three years alone that you're
going to reach the spot where you're like, okay, maybe
(33:24):
it just makes more sense to just go back to cable.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I wonder if that's where we're gonna end up.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You might you might be right about that. I think
a lot of people are gonna come to that realization.
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the way, post Malone, you're a fan right there. Talented
guy man, very talented guy Luka Doncic. So I'm just
(35:06):
laughing because there's another story coming out on the lack
of conditioning as uh Luka Doncic is not you know,
a workout warrior if you will. Okay, so of course
we know about the trade traded to the Lakers, and
then there's this story that just comes out thanks to
the Athletic where back in November, Luca had a five
(35:30):
game absence and it was aimed at improving his conditioning. Okay,
he was out with the MAVs announced a right wrist sprain,
and it says the entry classification was not entirely true.
In reality, Doncic was supposed to use time off to
improve his conditioning, team sources said, And to me, this
(35:53):
reads where the MAVs are just trying to save face.
Granted this might have been one of their reasons to
make the trade. They should have gotten back a whole
lot more than they got back, But it's just another
one of these stories where I don't think he just
falls from the skies just out of the blue. It's
aimed at we're trying to look better here why we
(36:16):
did this, and I don't think it makes them look
better at all. We know Luca is not a workout warrior,
and I do wonder how much more special he could
be if he fully committed himself. But with that not
being the case, he's still incredibly productive. Yeah, being a
little bit dowe. He's still a first team All NBA
guy each of the last five years. So why are
(36:38):
we making such a huge deal out of this conditioning?
If this was Zion and he's missing games left and
right and he's not as productive as you hoped, he
would be, not nearly as productive, that'd be one thing.
Zion hasn't made first team All NBA each of the
last five years, it would apply to him. It doesn't
apply to Luca nearly as much. The MAVs are just
(37:01):
banging this drum like, yeah, but lack of conditioning. Yeah,
he's still balling out with his lack of conditioning, and
that's what truly matters here.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
But the other side of it is money being spent
isn't spent on what you've done in sports. It's spent
on what they think you will do in sports. Right, So,
no matter what Luca has done, before they make their
three hundred and whatever fifty million dollar investment, they got
to look in the mirror and ask themselves, is this
(37:30):
going to turn out?
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Well?
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Are we about to spend good money? And I think
the reason you're continually hearing this is that the MAVs
want to remind you that they don't feel like spending
that money moving forward was going to be right for them.
And look, I continually go, I agree with you. They
should have gotten more back in return, and it seems
like it was shortsighted to do the trade the way
they did it. That being said, I don't believe the
(37:53):
Mavericks are incompetent, and to let Luca go if they
thought there was any chance that they could get through
to him would be a level of gross negligence and
incompetence that I just don't think that.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't think they're that poorly run.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So the MAVs are telling this this repeatedly, I think
because they want us to understand that they looked at
their player and said, Nope, there is nothing that's going
to get through to him. Like there is, in my mind,
no way that the MAVs trade him in conference for
lesser return if they believe that there's any chance anybody's
(38:27):
getting through to him, And whether it's Luca the personality,
or whether it's just Luca culturally, whether it's and you
know the whole image of Luca having the beer that
everybody's freaking out about At some point they looked at
it and said, no, matter what he's done, we don't
believe that this is sustainable because he won't take care
of himself, and so they made that decision. So I
(38:47):
think the reason we keep hearing this is because they
want to remind you that he will not take care
of himself moving forward.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
They strongly believe that.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Man, I'm on the opposite side of you on this one,
which is fine, but I think this is cot negligence.
They've called their shot, and if they turn out to
be right, this will be the call of calls. But
I just you had to get more than they got.
That's what I keep coming back to, and I hear
you they might look at this and say, hey, long term,
(39:15):
we just don't think it's gonna work out and end
up in the place that we want it to with
this type of financial commitment. Okay, I get that, but
they still should have gotten way more. You've seen players
like Rudy gobaer right and mckel bridges and k Deep
fetch way more than Luka Doncicch. You know, in the
(39:36):
first two examples are the best ones. So they should
have gotten more than they got for the guy that
won't change, but we'll see going forward. I look at
it positively. If Luca has been playing at this level
and he hasn't been fully committed to conditioning, what's he
capable of going forward? Like, it's not like he was
(39:57):
fully committed in just this last season he dropped off
and they're like, whoa, where's this heading? He's never been
fully committed workout why? So I'm actually optimistic he's not
going to be falling off at all. I think they
completely botched this whole thing now.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
See.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
I take the opposite on this. I think that the
MAVs just look at it and realize, hey man, if
it's bad, now, what's it? How bad is it going
to be in a couple of years. Yeah, if he's
already not taking care of himself, my god, what's going
to happen if he gets dowier and older and his
knees get worse and like we put we put all
this money into it. I think the MAVs are confident
he's lost.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, well, hey man, time will tell great. Hanging with you, Fitz,
I'm trying not to freeze the death here at the
outdoor funeral, you know, Hopefully we can do this so
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